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Omni
11th June 2011, 05:41
In my times with my contacts(which are unidentifiable in terms of identity 100% regardless of what they tell me), I have had distinct and revealing experiences with the heart. I will be going over some of what I have observed in this thread regarding such. Feel free to add your own experiences/philosophy/knowledge with heart. :) It's something worth discussing IMO.

Some of the time, my heart chakra is suppressed(that is what I'm told and appear to observe). Note that things are not always what they appear, especially with mind control... Anyway, this leads to intellect being dominant(the heart suppressed). This is not horrible having little heart. I have been given a window into what I'm told is a certain type of Grey's mental matrix in terms of heart. Intellect and concept is fluent in this mode of consciousness. Compassion is not. In my time on the Icke forum, most of it was spent with an extremely suppressed heart chakra(Onyxknight noticed a distinct difference in me when they had started allowing me my heart variables). Upon finding Avalon(as I'm told was according to the plan) slowly I have been gaining more of my natural tendencies back in full. This is not just from being at Avalon. My whole situation has curves of progression following a timeline that is being followed. In the last 4 years if you saw a graph of my experiences you would see it slowly going down in terms of horribleness over the years, although there have been a couple spurts going upwards somewhat recently. When arguing on Icke with the many people calling me insane, a scammer, a hoaxer, an attention seeker and so on, it's very easy to attack them back with a suppressed heart(chakra I assume). It's very easy for me to wish ill upon them, even though if you asked me, I would not WANT ills to be bestowed upon them because i already have a conceptual base of knowing myself, and know what I have established for myself right and wrong, even without actually having the variables that lead to establishing a right or wrong(compassion being a big part of that).

If I had the same variables my whole life as my having at the Icke forum when I posted there a lot, I would likely have something like the same philosophy as Atticus portrayed, that right and wrong are non-existent. I find this philosophy flawed, although I do agree right and wrong are somewhat subjective, with an active heart, right and wrong aare often pretty defined. Nobody wants to suffer. And optimally one respects others as relative equals in terms of experiencers of the universe unless that respect is lost. Those together at the bare minimum establishes a base for right and wrong. Even if I don't feel I care about other people with mind/chakra control, I still know myself, and know I WOULD care. I have basically gotten to play around in a multitude of different modes of consciousness. It gives me a nice window to very distinctly differentiate between different base modes of consciousness that most people have in ways that makes it almost unidentifiable due to the relativity of getting used to it, and how gradually this changed typically.

Lately I have been given more heart. Usually my heart is suppressed to some degree, but I still maintain enough of it to have compassion now in energetic form typically(not just KNOWING I WOULD feel compassion in a moment and acting accordingly). I assume and have been told it's my heart chakra. So I couldn't say 100% that is true either. But it seems it is.

When the heart is in a medium type phase(as I am in now most of the time), compassion is around but is not often a dominant virtue. When it is fully suppressed, I only conceptually know I have compassion, but do not feel the emotion for the most part(almost completely gone, if not fully gone).

When someone attacks another person, their heart is not functioning fully. As I understand it, for most people the heart functions fully when they are triggered into it. Triggers are not just bad, as some may think. Triggers can be good(just like mind control can be both bad and good). For example when I saw the video viking linked in the 18 thread about the Korean kid who ran away from an abusive orphanidge(sp) at the age of 5, and slept in public toilets and stairs and sold gum and other stuff to survive. This triggered my heart. I had tears, and strong emotion.

When the heart is highly activated, one has a very hard time attacking anything. I can tell by the posts some make, their heart is very active for example(or the opposite). This doesn't mean I think it's always truth... But the energy is there. It's almost dangerous at times because too much heart with an illusory message is a potent thing in terms of misleading(which I believe I have seen deliberately done by mind control if I had to guess).

Going from intellect mindsets into balanced ones, or heart dominated mindsets is a huge contrast. As I told Onyxknight some months ago on the Icke forum, "I instantly feel more human when they activate my heart..."

The heart being active is more enjoyable than without. As I said, no heart is not nec. bad in terms of experience. Being conceptually and mentally stimulated is where it's at when you have low heart(for me anyway, my ego was very suppressed too at the time, but that may be a field those without heart would play around in liberally).

The first major thing I notice when my heart is activated strongly, is instant care for all things. The people capable of TRUE unconditional love(not just conceptually agreeing with the premise of it) have highly activated hearts.

I believe the activation of the heart can fluctuate in real time naturally. I know it can with control of whoever controls me. Controlling chakras(as I perceive it) is very advanced. Some do not believe I am dealing with the shadow gov. Part of what I perceive as my psychic inclination suspects Anunnaki(and possibly more) involved in my situation. Regardless of who, they can control my compassion and heart(contrary to what I've seen some say, in that the heart is NOT controllable. IT IS).

Too much heart can be a bad thing I have observed. Too much heart with an intellect not as wired FOR that heart, can negate intelligence, and also lead to very irrational thought(but it is not THE heart doing it, it's variables that heart effect leading to it, emotions). As I have been told by Greys(or an impersonation of such) "Emotions lead to irrational thought". They are right IMO(at least in some cases). Just because the heart leads to great qualities, doesn't mean(IMHO) that it is something you want as much as you can get of. Feel free to debate this, I have no problem with opposing views to mine. these are just what I have observed given the control variables I have, and have been shown a window pretty rare without control, into the differences of mind quite distinctly.

I am not sure what negates the heart, or keeps it active. I do know when you attack someone in a malicious way(whether it be text or physical), the heart is not a dominant force of any kind in the mind.

Anyway, that what I can think of at this time regarding my experiences with heart, and what I have learned from those experiences. This isn't touching uponthe many interpretations of heart. That is a whole different mountain of text. lol. But not something I have rarely obtained knowledge of.

Feel free to speak whatever you feel is of value regarding heart in this thread if you wish to.

-Omni

nomadguy
11th June 2011, 06:29
This one helped me a lot, then I decided to look into it a bit more -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-yv4A8fWNA
the idea is that our minds are not as capable to grasp the universe as the heart is. Especially when it comes to time and manifestation.
It is like all intelligence ~comes through the heart, like a receiver, then we use our brains to decipher it. However the brain on its own is not wholly capable to do all that much,
so the idea is to use both in cohesion.
The best way I can describe this action ~ is to open up all channels and chakras then attempt communication with your heart chakra. it is like a burst of light looping between the pineal and the heart. One person had stated say inside with your inner voice "I love you" as a sort of mantra, not to anyone, simply repeat it and "feel" it.

NancyV
11th June 2011, 07:46
I have always felt that if you don't know how to shut off your compassion or heart chakra you are usually weaker and/or less effective in emergency situations. You can also be more open to fear. Whenever I have found myself in dangerous or scary situations I always go "cold", my mind gets very clear, unclouded by most emotions, and all the possible actions I might take will be in my mind almost instantaneously. I then take action quickly with no fear and no hesitation. That can actually be a bit dangerous in itself, but it's worked out better than being controlled by either too much compassion/love or too much fear, plus it's who I am and I don't intend to change at this point.

If your heart chakra is controlled and often shut down by those who are manipulating you, Omni, it's probably a lot easier for you to deal with criticism from people on the Internet. The way you argue after someone criticizes you is admirable. Today I read your exchange with a certain person on Nexus who loves to pretend he is humble but always cleverly (in his mind) belittles anyone who doesn't agree with his assessment of a situation. It was very impressive the way you refused to let him walk all over you with his completely inaccurate and vile attacks on you and on someone you were standing up for. You probably had to be in a fairly detached and fearless state to stand against him since he enjoys great support from his long time friends there. In this case not caring was a good state to be in and if your heart chakra was closed you probably didn't care.

I like to maintain an open heart chakra almost all the time, which can get one into trouble at times, but I can shut it off in a second if I need to. It used to be a lot easier for me to close the heart chakra than to open it back up, but nowadays I am finding it easy to fairly quickly get back into a state of love/compassion after accomplishing whatever I needed to do when I either shut it off or diminished it's intensity. Ultimately love conquers all, but in this earth dimension you sometimes need to use different tools or weapons.

Nancy

Omni
11th June 2011, 10:44
I have always felt that if you don't know how to shut off your compassion or heart chakra you are usually weaker and/or less effective in emergency situations. You can also be more open to fear. Whenever I have found myself in dangerous or scary situations I always go "cold", my mind gets very clear, unclouded by most emotions, and all the possible actions I might take will be in my mind almost instantaneously. I then take action quickly with no fear and no hesitation. That can actually be a bit dangerous in itself, but it's worked out better than being controlled by either too much compassion/love or too much fear, plus it's who I am and I don't intend to change at this point.

If your heart chakra is controlled and often shut down by those who are manipulating you, Omni, it's probably a lot easier for you to deal with criticism from people on the Internet. The way you argue after someone criticizes you is admirable. Today I read your exchange with a certain person on Nexus who loves to pretend he is humble but always cleverly (in his mind) belittles anyone who doesn't agree with his assessment of a situation. It was very impressive the way you refused to let him walk all over you with his completely inaccurate and vile attacks on you and on someone you were standing up for. You probably had to be in a fairly detached and fearless state to stand against him since he enjoys great support from his long time friends there. In this case not caring was a good state to be in and if your heart chakra was closed you probably didn't care.

I like to maintain an open heart chakra almost all the time, which can get one into trouble at times, but I can shut it off in a second if I need to. It used to be a lot easier for me to close the heart chakra than to open it back up, but nowadays I am finding it easy to fairly quickly get back into a state of love/compassion after accomplishing whatever I needed to do when I either shut it off or diminished it's intensity. Ultimately love conquers all, but in this earth dimension you sometimes need to use different tools or weapons.

Nancy

You are very right. More right than you know most likely. I wanted the suppression of my heart chakra on the Icke forum. I was called insane by one poster every single day for over 6 months there. An obvious mind control victim who claims he is an alien king who is cleansing the galaxy of Greys and Dracos and 'shoots greys disguised as cats' on his farm. He even admitted his intent was to derail my thread and stop people from hearing my messages. This was just one person. I had a joke of a UFOlogist attack me like a dozen times or more stating I'm a fraud etcetcetc and claiming no UFOlogist would take me seriously(Every UFOlogist I have contacted has including Wendelle Stevens and Mary Rodwell). I had a Icke mod say he would bet the lives of himself and everyone he cares about that I have not spoken with ETs and even go as far as to heartlessly say my music creations are garbage. I had people putting down my music because they are crude undeveloped souls with no compassion and felt the need to trash my music because I claimed to be an ET contactee(a claim that threatens them somehow). I had countless other people calling me schizo every day on that forum. If I managed to remove them from that delusion by stating things such as I met an agent of TPTB in person about all this, and also the AI I speak to will control my body anytime I ask her to, they move on to saying I'm a liar and a fraud and a hoaxer. I had people say I intentionally posted thousands of times to push my music. As if me being a musician and offering my music for free is some act of ego and I would lie and spread disinfo for 8 months every day just to have a few dozen more people hear my music(FOR FREE) as I have even been accused of doing such on this forum, except for money in that dim witted claim(even when there are blatant facts such as I never even mentioned on this forum I sell music AT ALL until the debunker accused me of doing it). If I was out to sell music you'd think I'd at least MENTION I SELL IT before I respond to the attacks about such a claim. There is no end to the accusations, defamation, torment, ridicule, and ostracization by my own clueless people. This doesn't even count being tortured every single day with advanced technology. This doesn't even count me being mind controlled to say things that make people think ill of me(I feel those thoughts). On top of all that I also deal with mind control making these things harder at times than they would be naturally. For example they can make me feel pain as would a typical 10 year old girl would. Pain tolerance? It's controllable too.

All I wanted at first regarding my situation was to tell people about what I have experienced. It involves a lot of horrible, HORRIBLE things. Some of them are so horrible I do not tell ANYONE of them due to how downright FILTHY and ridiculously bad they are. On top of just speaking what I have experienced without a atom of victim energy in me(I just speak the truth about it). I get bastardized in the minds of others claiming I have some victim mentality just for speaking what I have been through. On top of that I get told I'm a weak mind, soulularly inert, victim consciousness, loveless, etcetcetc for being mind controlled. Not to mention they have attacked my heart, brain, and muscles to the point I do not expect to live beyond 50. On top of this due to my situation(such as them enlarging my belly to the point of almost looking pregnant and I'm not fat and I'm 27 years old!!!) in full I have probably less than a 1% chance of ever having a partner for this entire lifetime to help me get through the hard times.

All this is at the same time as being barraged by illusions and constant mind games, and things like them controlling my eyes in public forcing my eyes to look up at my eyebrows painfully. I have endured a time I describe as "a bad acid trip for 100+ days straight all day every day" where it felt like the entire universe came alive and was out to hurt me in every way imaginable.

My life holds the injustice of hundreds of lives put together. Maybe even millions if you put the right lives on the table in weighing.

All this, and the worst is yet to come from my own people. I already know of the plan TPTB have to discredit me when they feel the time is right. And there is absolutely nothing I can do to stop it minus abandon my soul mission to change this world which I refuse to do. I'm sure it will make my life hell for a while(even moreso than it is).

The amount of attacks I endured in my time at the Icke forum were MASSIVE, as well as the amount of attacks I endure from TPTB are even MORESO MASSIVE. If I did not have suppression of my heart chakra it would have been very painful. Even with it it was painful. It lowered my energy significantly(the icke forum). It really is like the matrix where asleep people(spare me the ego BS about me thinking I'm a superior human being for calling some people asleep, it's a case of FACT, not an act of me saying I'm superior) will attack you at any time due to threatening their reality and challenging their ego.

Anyway sry for not really speaking of heart in this post(although trust me my heart was active during it). But it was nice to vent what I've been through. It's an act of healing to do such. If anything it may make some people thankful for their own life. There is always something beneficial out of anything and everything that happens.

NancyV
11th June 2011, 18:52
It really wouldn't matter if what you say is the truth or not, and no one else can know if it's true. So if they don't know if it's true or false, what they are doing is making up their minds to believe THEIR truth which is based on zero knowledge about the situation. Even if I felt your story was pretty far out and implausible I would be stupid to entirely dismiss it and a fool to attack you about it, unless I felt that you were a threat or had negative intentions. One would think that especially in the alternative communities people would understand how many bizarre sounding situations actually exist.

I have no idea if you are truthful or delusional, but after reading your posts for months I can say that you sound consistent and sincere. I try to not make absolute judgments since I am often incorrect when doing that. Right now I do have a very negative absolute judgment about Stephen/Charles. I spent the first couple of weeks with my heart chakra open, willing to listen to him and consider his story with an open mind. I even ignored the first warning signals in order to be more objective. Within 3 weeks I completely closed down to him and the ridiculous non answers to people's questions he was coming out with. Because I judged him to be a possible danger I became actively hostile to him instead of just ignoring him. By "hostile" I don't mean angry. It's more of a cold, calculated feeling of force that pushes back against negative energy. I always have to close my heart chakra down when I feel a need to use this force.

I'm sorry you have always experienced so many attacks against you because of sharing your experiences. Of course you must KNOW that is what will happen and that you are ultimately responsible for putting yourself in the situations where you will be verbally or even energetically attacked. People will not change and it helps to accept as inevitable that you will experience many vile attacks if your opinion or story is at all far out. I have some rather controversial opinions and when I state them I never give a flying hoot what anyone else thinks about what I say. I do read what they say and consider it, and even occasionally my views are influenced to change somewhat. But I don't care what others think of me. I REALLY don't care, I'm not just saying that.

It would be a lot easier for you if you didn't care at all. Perhaps you can only endure so much suffering without finally reacting and being hurt when your heart chakra is more open. It seems like you endure the suffering constantly. I'm a lot older than you (I have a son 4 years older than you) so I have many years of experience being detached from what others think of me, although I've been this way since I was a child. Maybe I can actually close down my heart chakra more easily and successfully than you can, or maybe your heart chakra being open or closed is completely manipulated by your controllers, so you haven't had a lot of practice doing it of your own volition. I don't know that, it's just a possibility I'm throwing out there. For me it's automatic to close my heart chakra in a situation where I might be hurt either emotionally, psychically or physically.

Nancy :)

nomadguy
12th June 2011, 05:20
chakra meditation is one thing, but this is not exactly what I am pointing out here,
the use of focus on the heart center or chakra is only a tool for opening your consciousness.
This is a word I am using to describe the electrical point that we can visualize to charge our heart center.
What I am attempting to speak of, is beyond this.
I am trying to find the words for this, as I am no Guru, however I will do my best.

First we must open all chakra's and channels. Then through the heart center ~ or a focus on this point of energy we can access our true self or the universal intelligence that is not in the mind.
The universal intelligence is far far beyond the capabilities of the brain intelligence or "gross mind" as Dattatreya Siva Baba terms it.
And that this is a key of sorts to the art of manifestation. I will say that it is my view that each individual must "discover" their own way do manifestation, it can not be taught or learned from another.
If you focus to much on one chakra you are immediately creating blocks and you will be weaker because of it. IMO
~ so I emphasize the balance of all chakras and to clear all your channels as energy flows through us all.

Cheers
C..

Flash
12th June 2011, 06:13
I have always felt that if you don't know how to shut off your compassion or heart chakra you are usually weaker and/or less effective in emergency situations. You can also be more open to fear. Whenever I have found myself in dangerous or scary situations I always go "cold", my mind gets very clear, unclouded by most emotions, and all the possible actions I might take will be in my mind almost instantaneously. I then take action quickly with no fear and no hesitation. That can actually be a bit dangerous in itself, but it's worked out better than being controlled by either too much compassion/love or too much fear, plus it's who I am and I don't intend to change at this point.



Just a little remark in passing Nancy V: it seems to me that you are confounding heart and emotions. The heart is open through the heart chakra, the emotions are open through the solar plexus chakra. When you go cold in dangerous situations, it seems to me that it is the emotions that are shut off, not the heart. And to be without emotions may help to focus.

If you keep you heart open then, you may still feel empathy for example, but without the useless emotions in that difficult situation. You see?? Heart and emotions are not the same, emotions leads to heart and are processed by the heart when the heart opens up, but they are not the same.

Heart may stay open in dire circumstances, this is when you will see a captain not giving the order to shoot a prisoner at the last moment for example or a guy jumping in freezing water to save someone without thinking. Emotions are not involved, but heart is. This is love unfolding, without emotional content. If you notice, emotions comes afterwards, when processing the events in the first three chakras, in 3D.

Fear however, may close up the heart, or love. Fear clogs the emotions load that could be processed through the heart in spiritual awakening. It makes one remains in the first three chakras and therefore it makes one more controllable, because the first three chakra are usually those reached by PTB intervention. Why is this? Fear taps on the survival instincts, on the body and 3D, on the reptilian brain.

Heart taps on the higher chakras, on the superiors brain, on the heart brain as well and on superior energies, more difficult to control.

What I am trying to say is that if one is not living through the heart already, then yes, bad experiences closes the emotional side which is perceived as heart, but truly is not. If one already is in the heart, he has to be careful not to go back in the more primitive chakras but usually, he can be fully heartful and loving in times of emergencies as well.

Do not buy in the belief that stress and danger closes up the heart. You want to keep your heart whenever it is needed. But do give the heart time to process the emotions as much as you can. It will purify them.

All this imho, of course.

DNA
12th June 2011, 06:28
Thanks for sharing Omniverse.
I know what you mean. I have known I have this problem too at times.
I sometimes fall into the wrong frame of mind, thinking that this is a zero sum game, and there has to be a winner and a loser.
This is of course wrong.
I have noticed that in myself, there is a blockage inbetween my heart chalkra and my throat chalkra.
Right there in my upper chest.
If only I could bridge that gap it seems my energy would flow as it should and I wouldn't have to slap the sh!t out of my self every second day.

Again,
thank you for sharing.

DNA
12th June 2011, 06:37
Hello DNA !
You need a aura »shield«. Do the merkaba , the two piramids and use blue, pink and gold light. Do this every day in the morning. I talk from experience.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_VV_z4Oa2D-0/RomOcZMOiWI/AAAAAAAAA_Y/1MLSpgiWu84/s400/Merkaba%2Bmasculina%2Be%2Bfeminina.jpg

Please notice that male and female merkaba are different.

Namasté

MariaDine gave me this wonderfull suggestion a couple of days ago,,,and I have to admit,,,,I think it helps.
I've known of this whole meditation for years, but, it's funny how we hear things again when we need to.
So,,,I'm just passing on what was passed on to me.

Thanks again to MariaDine :)