Galactic Federation Of Light and Ashtar Command - Are they AI? Negative ETs?

[DNA]

I discourage one size fits all paradigms.
As far as this galactic federation of light (gfl) is concerned I would equate it, personally to the Ashtar command. Val Valarian way back in the 1980s was talking about this group being a negative ET group. Val Valarian gave multiple warnings concerning the Ashtar command.
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But then here is the rub, Val Valarian gives much credence to Alex Collier an ET chaneller who supposedly channels the Andromadans.
Why does Val Valarian warn against the dangers of the Ashtar collective/command an ET channeled group, but,,,gives his full endorsement of the chanelling of these andromadans by Alex Collier?
I personally don't give Alex Collier to much credence, but, maybe it is because I fail to see genius in his work.

Chanelled information is suppsedly done so because it is coming from a higher intelligence, so, with that in mind, if the work is not genius, it should be discounted because it fails to meet the criteria established for what channeled information is, information that is from a higher intelligence.
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I personally hold a lot of respect for Billy Meier, his work as chronicled by Wendelle Stevens is first rate, and I certainly don't try to push him on anyone, but, he does not channel, and even if he did, there is genius in his work that validates for me the premise that it comes from a higher intelligence. I started a thread for the discussian of Billy Meier's accusations as they relate to Alex Collier being a fraud here. Billy Meier VS Alex Collier (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20827-Billy-Meier-VS-Alex-Collier)
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I was a tad bit star struck after reading the Billy Meier information and began seeking more information about these Plieadians.
This of course led to Barbara Marciniaks work.
I read her first two books and couldn't make my mind up about her.
At the time I had not formed my rule that genius needs to be apparent for validation attempts to continue.
For the record, there is no genius in Marciniaks works.
But I was still figuireing that out when I went to her speaking engagement at a UFO conference here in Phoenix.
She first told a story that was very telling in my opinion now. She told how she had read the works by Jane Roberts, "The Seth Material" and how she had WANTED to channel beings such as Jane Roberts had chanelled and that she then started chanelling the Plieadians.
She then went into a trance,,,,,and spoke with all of the Flowery euphemisms that are indicitive of the Ashtar collective and the GFL.
This turned me off big time.
After the speaking engagement, she was signing books. I approached her when the crowd died away, and asked her what she thought of Billy Meier. She said she thought he was a fraud. LOL :), I could have laughed my ass off at that point. For the record, I asked her about Amorah Quan Yin as well and she was irritated and angry that I was bringing these people up and asked me with a flurry of her hands " what, do you think we are one big happy bunch, and we hang out and hold hands or something?".
Honestly, my intuition of Marciniak wasn't that she was chanelling negative ETs, but, that she was a disinformation agent for the CIA.
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I'm exceedingly interested in ET contact books, and I certainly don't think all ETs are service to self or evil or whatever.
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For the record I have ran across chanelled work that stood the test and contained genius in them.
These are just my opinions, and I certainly don't want anyone to think I'm an expert or anything near, I'm just sharing an opinion on the matter.

Jane Roberts - absolutely displayes genius in my opinion. Her Seth books and Oversoul seven books are top notch in my opinion.
The Urantia Book - An amazing work and though capable of being written by a group of genius Illuminati folks who sought to break ranks and help mankind, it claims to be chaneled.
The Michael Teachings - Only those books by Chelsea Quin Yarbro, these books changed several paradigms for me. Beware, lots of copy cats out there.
Edgar Cayce - I don't really need to elaborate here do I ?
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Before six months ago, I may not have felt that the flowery channeled groups were dangerous or anything.
But, I had an experience just last November.
I was having an extensive e-mail dialogue with a woman claiming to be chanelling the Plieadians. (For the record, I dig Billy Meier, but the beings this woman was chanelling were not the same folks in my opinion.)
When we disagreed on a few key points, I suggested we agree to disagree and move on, but she became fixated and wrote me incredibly long e-mails to support her points that were mute as far as I was concerned.(That there was a battle going on between angelic aliens(pleiadians) and satanic aliens (reptilians).) And that isn't why I'm mentioning it.
I personally don't buy the whole reptilian thing, but that is neither here nor there.
I'm mentioning it, because, I felt a psychic attack accompany the e-mails when I would read them.
Not so much from her, but I felt it was from the beings she channeled.
I don't want to get into it too much, but, I honestly felt it was dangerous for me to continue communicating with her.
I cease and disisted all communication with her.
And then I felt no more psychic molestation.
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It was then that I realized that these flowery types who claim to channel angelic/aliens and the sort, can be very dangeous.
For one thing, aliens who respected your autonomy would never present themselves as something superior to you in any form(angelic), for they would never want you to subjucate your autonomy in any way by having you elevate their voice above your own.
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Aliens are incarnated beings just like you and me. Here to play out karma and learn through reincarnation.
They are not angels.
Period.
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I would like to know what the GFL really are,,,and the other corresponding channeled presentations. OnyxKnight in his thread My ET contact experiences (discussions/Q&A panel etc.) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15909-My-ET-contact-experiences-(discussions-Q-A-panel-etc.)) claims that the GFL are really automations, advanced AI.
Strangely enough, this has corrolations with the material on the WINGMAKERS (http://www.wingmakers.com/) website which claims that the fallen angels of the biblical lore are living in AI type bodies. There are also corrolations with a free PDF story available on the John Leer website ALIEN INTERVIEW with MATILDA O'DONNEL MACELROY (http://www.wingmakers.com/).
In which Matilda Macelroy claims to have been present at Roswell when the craft went down, and to have communicated with the being via telepathy in the recovered craft. There is also corresponding material in the information Andijra Puharich brought to light in studying a UFO group communicating with the earth called THE NINE (http://www.uri-geller.com/books/maverick/maver8.htm). Puarich then goes on to document the life of Uri Geller, who claims to be in contact with extraterrestrials as well, Puharich seems to think there is a connection between THE NINE and the biengs contacting URI GELLER. URI when asked point blank what the beings he is in contact are, states they are advanced robots, Artificial Intelligence.

I'm not saying this is what is going on.
I'm just trying to make corrolations.
DNA

[RedeZra]

Aliens are incarnated beings just like you and me. Here to play out karma and learn through reincarnation.
They are not angels.
Period.


right they are fallen angels ; )

[DNA]

Aliens are incarnated beings just like you and me. Here to play out karma and learn through reincarnation.
They are not angels.
Period.


right they are fallen angels ; )

While you are free to think as you see fit, I certainly do not label any of the alien races as fallen angels.

If you practice an ancient religion, and get your vocabulary there, that is your right, but I see most of the progenaters of ancient religions as extraterrestrials themselves,,,so if your willing to call Yehweh an extraterrestrial I suppose you could demonize other et races, but, it's a case of mistaken ancient astronaut identitiy if you ask me.
Some members of some races may practice service to self,,,but I would hardly try and sit here and demonize monochromatically.

[RedeZra]

If you practice an ancient religion, and get your vocabulary there, that is your right, but I see most of the progenaters of ancient religions as extraterrestrials themselves,,,so if your willing to call Yehweh and extraterrestrial I suppose you could demonize other et races, but, it's a case of mistaken ancient astronaut identitiy if you ask me.


I practise tradition ; )

why believe what modern people tell without a shred of evidence ?

[DNA]

If you practice an ancient religion, and get your vocabulary there, that is your right, but I see most of the progenaters of ancient religions as extraterrestrials themselves,,,so if your willing to call Yehweh and extraterrestrial I suppose you could demonize other et races, but, it's a case of mistaken ancient astronaut identitiy if you ask me.


I practise tradition ; )

why believe what modern people tell without a shred of evidence ?

To each there own. I hardly look at surviving ancient, or relatively new manuscripts as proof.
If ancient manuscripts serve as proof for you,,,,why not take a gander at the sumerian tablets transcribed by Sitchen. They are far older than the bible.
You should probably ignore the video, it's just a song.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6WuoY6Kb1g&playnext=1&list=PLB3816EF0178085BF

[9eagle9]

I used to do channeling. Not in the new agey way but the way channeling has been conducted for as long as we have been aware of the phenom. Who ever is in the vicinty of myself when I do this experiences what I do. I don't have to say anything they have their own experience. It may be emotional release , spontaneous healing, hearing their own messages, seeing things, seeing energy, aura, all sorts of psychic phenom would occur so the person didn't have to depend on me , they could be shown for themselves.

Once I realized that people only want stories or for me to allow an entity into myself which I most certainly will not do so IT could tell them a story. I stopped doing it. In this fashion I could show people what was BS and what was beneficial because the energies are decidedly different. They wanted no part of it, they want stories. They do not even want the means to develop their own abilities but be told what they are by invisible beings.

[DNA]

I used to do channeling. Not in the new agey way but the way channeling has been conducted for as long as we have been aware of the phenom. Who ever is in the vicinty of myself when I do this experiences what I do. I don't have to say anything they have their own experience. It may be emotional release , spontaneous healing, hearing their own messages, seeing things, seeing energy, aura, all sorts of psychic phenom would occur so the person didn't have to depend on me , they could be shown for themselves.

Once I realized that people only want stories or for me to allow an entity into myself which I most certainly will not do so IT could tell them a story. I stopped doing it. In this fashion I could show people what was BS and what was beneficial because the energies are decidedly different. They wanted no part of it, they want stories. They do not even want the means to develop their own abilities but be told what they are by invisible beings.

I had a freind in Sedonna Arizona who did just that. I actually met him in St.louis Mo where I grew up, my GF took me to a psychic fair there when I was a wee baby of 18, and even then, I had no interest for divination, but as I walked by RJ's booth, he invited me to sit down free of charge, grabbed some killer crystals and began opening up chalkras, spraying me with ionized salt water infusing me with energy and giving me an over all amazing psychic experience. Then I move to AZ one year later, go to a psychic fair, and there he is, he had moved from St.louis to Arizona same as me. Very cool.

I've had some positive strange experiences as well,,,,,,,,I posted this thread today to share some of them. Holographically Projected Human/Alien Healers (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?22614-Holographically-Projected-Human-Alien-Healers)

[Little Ishta]

The GFL doesn't ring true with me. I do believe there is some kind of a Federation though. Maybe it is a Collective. I don't know for sure. From my own experiences and other peoples experiences there is something out there reaching towards us. There is Light and there is Dark. And we are contacted by both. It is up to us to find out the truth. What resonates as the truth. (I do believe that we are seeded by them. They are our ancestors). If the GFL are AI or negative then so be it. We will learn the truth sooner or later. Remember, we are here to experience. We are here to learn. We are here to help and to assist.

[9eagle9]

There is light and dark. Answers are often found more in the dark than the light. Our wounded shadow self has darkness but we have to go there and examine it to bring the light in.

Light and Dark does exist, but that doesn't mean that light is all good and dark is evil. Light is light and dark is dark until someone put a different spin on it. I can list dozens of things that happen in the dark that benefit man kind that the light would interfer with. Why do people close their eyes to meditate. So not to be blinded by the light that may blind them to a vision. Human Growth Hormone is secreted only in darkness.

Light adherents can not even give a apt description of what light is.

If everything is love and light there wouldn't be so much woundedness in the world. When we are told 'everything is fine' when clearly it is not..it must mean something is hidden (in the dark?) from us. .

Its easy to take something substantial like we have had interference from alien life forms. I can't prove it but there's evidence enough for me to find it acceptable. I dont' have to believe it I just know the possibility exists in a substantiated way. Neither would i invest my future in it but it is somethign I am aware of. Its easy to say some invisible ufo hovering somewhere out of our substantiated perception could claim credit for doing this. Many of our ancient wisdoms have been perverted to serve the cause of the powers that be.

Look at it from another angle, where we had alien intervention and it served to dumb down our natural abilities NOT instill them. It kept us in the dark of our true nature. It does not bode well if the GFL is taking credit for doing that.

[RedeZra]

To each there own. I hardly look at surviving ancient, or relatively new manuscripts as proof.
If ancient manuscripts serve as proof for you,,,,why not take a gander at the sumerian tablets transcribed by Sitchen. They are far older than the bible.


there is no real discrepancy between Sumerian clay tablets and the Bible

they both portray the Deluge and the time when humanity spoke in one tounge before Babel


Sitchin reads too much into the tablets which really isn't there...

so better to read the translation of the tablets yourself instead of basing your Sumerian knowledge on Sitchin's interpretations of them

[cellardoor]

I would argue that there was only interference inorder to develop physical bodies that are sutable for reincarnation from their ET bodies. The interference was done to an already evolving terrestrial 2d mammal this was done in the times of lemuria, and atlantis untill the great flood. After that it was a bit of a free for all. Different ET's colonising different parts of the world with different adgendas, some taking advantage of the earth children some trying to libarate us, but earth was always ment to be the fulcrum of the light and dark inorder to understand the nature of the universe more fully, that I think has been achived.

There is no archaeological evedence to suggest that we were dumbed down, only that miraculous mass evolution, occured. there is some evedence to suggest that in sumeria ETs used us as slaves but if put that against the positve teachings from other parts of the world you would see inumarous messeges of hope nurture and harmony not ment for enslavement but spiritual development. In modern day we see the manifestation of mans rebelion against god, the vatican has destroyed most ancient knowledge and claimed itself a god. Thus we are left in a spiritual minefield. who do we trust? what will become of me? are all negative thought manifestations which if acted upon would result in a sevice to self perseption of the world. Rebelliousness is a stage all creations go through. This is seen throughout nature, our destiny lies in the choices we make. Will it be service to self as a planet or service to others as a galactic citizen. It is always our choice. And you will not find many reputable channels reporting any thing else.

[DeDukshyn]

A human in it's true form and in full capacity would have abilities and knowledge that would seem "alien" to us. Take our bodies for example, we only have them for a specific reason - one we all agreed to; but when we no longer need them we will still be "human" but not in the sense we know it today. We will be able to project into 3D if we wish, but we won't have to, and we won't have to be born here to do it. Should we then be called "aliens" or "angels"? I really don't have these very divisive labels between beings such as "aliens", "angels", "demons", "humans", etc. We are all just sparks of consciousness having different experiences. The main factor of difference in my opinion is whether you are service to self or service to others. the other labels don't really matter -- like your name or hair colour doesn't define what you are.

[DNA]

There is light and dark. Answers are often found more in the dark than the light. Our wounded shadow self has darkness but we have to go there and examine it to bring the light in.

Light and Dark does exist, but that doesn't mean that light is all good and dark is evil. Light is light and dark is dark until someone put a different spin on it. I can list dozens of things that happen in the dark that benefit man kind that the light would interfer with. Why do people close their eyes to meditate. So not to be blinded by the light that may blind them to a vision. Human Growth Hormone is secreted only in darkness.

Light adherents can not even give a apt description of what light is.

If everything is love and light there wouldn't be so much woundedness in the world. When we are told 'everything is fine' when clearly it is not..it must mean something is hidden (in the dark?) from us. .

Its easy to take something substantial like we have had interference from alien life forms. I can't prove it but there's evidence enough for me to find it acceptable. I dont' have to believe it I just know the possibility exists in a substantiated way. Neither would i invest my future in it but it is somethign I am aware of. Its easy to say some invisible ufo hovering somewhere out of our substantiated perception could claim credit for doing this. Many of our ancient wisdoms have been perverted to serve the cause of the powers that be.

Look at it from another angle, where we had alien intervention and it served to dumb down our natural abilities NOT instill them. It kept us in the dark of our true nature. It does not bode well if the GFL is taking credit for doing that.

Wow,,,,I was writing something last night that I haven't finished yet that sounds just like this.
I even used this video to help illustrate my point.
Good stuff.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tja6_h4lT6A

[DNA]

I would argue that there was only interference inorder to develop physical bodies that are sutable for reincarnation from their ET bodies. The interference was done to an already evolving terrestrial 2d mammal this was done in the times of lemuria, and atlantis untill the great flood. After that it was a bit of a free for all. Different ET's colonising different parts of the world with different adgendas, some taking advantage of the earth children some trying to libarate us, but earth was always ment to be the fulcrum of the light and dark inorder to understand the nature of the universe more fully, that I think has been achived.

There is no archaeological evedence to suggest that we were dumbed down, only that miraculous mass evolution, occured. there is some evedence to suggest that in sumeria ETs used us as slaves but if put that against the positve teachings from other parts of the world you would see inumarous messeges of hope nurture and harmony not ment for enslavement but spiritual development. In modern day we see the manifestation of mans rebelion against god, the vatican has destroyed most ancient knowledge and claimed itself a god. Thus we are left in a spiritual minefield. who do we trust? what will become of me? are all negative thought manifestations which if acted upon would result in a sevice to self perseption of the world. Rebelliousness is a stage all creations go through. This is seen throughout nature, our destiny lies in the choices we make. Will it be service to self as a planet or service to others as a galactic citizen. It is always our choice. And you will not find many reputable channels reporting any thing else.

So this is in reference to 9eagle9's statement here


Look at it from another angle, where we had alien intervention and it served to dumb down our natural abilities NOT instill them. It kept us in the dark of our true nature. It does not bode well if the GFL is taking credit for doing that.


You should quote the folks your responding too,,,makes it easier for the rest of us.
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There may not be archeological evidence to support we we're dumbed down through various genetic tinkering and the subjucation of abilities that other races take for granted.
But,,,,,the corrolative evidence lends one to atleast speculate in that direction.
After all,,,,it is kind of a given that most if not all other ET races visiting us have telepathic abilities of some kind or another.
Why not us?
It seems to me that, that ability was taken away from us, stripped from us so to speak.
If you look at the corrolations made by Ingo Swann "INGO SWANS "PENETRATION" FREE PDF" (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/44cosmic_wisdom/03PDF/Penetration_Ingo_Swann.pdf) it seems most alien races he interacted with, and he being a self trained psychic remote viewer(he invented remote viewing), they (being the ets) all had telepathy and telepathy+ at that, the ability to affect our minds via penetration.
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Dr. David Jacobs came to the same conclusian in his regresions of abductees.
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From a more controversial source, Lacerta in an Interview with a reptilian states that mankind was first tinkered with by Annunaki or Elohim a non-reptilian race, and subsequent genetic experiments have been done since then to the tune of eight different times, each subsequent version of mankind being exterminated, wiped out, prior stock was not to interfer with the newer introduced stock. This interview goes on to state that not only were abilities genetically removed from us, but, a lever of sorts was placed in our minds,,making us easier to control and manipulate.
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[MariaDine]

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[9eagle9]

We don't need archeological evidence to prove we were dumbed down, we need only look out onto our window of the world...What is occurring now is sufficient evidence , and this entire forum, its text, content, discussion and videos is more than sufficient to reveal we were dumbed down. Do you think we have suffered and been deceived and treated as cattle all these thousands of years because we were possessed of our full human potential?

[MoSh187]

Whether it's, plaideian aliens, Andromedans, ascended masters, dead spirits, ad infinitum... If you stop looking at these entities that come out of channeling as different beings... but instead look at them as the same beings! You have to put this in context with the very first types of channeled information which comes from Maddame Blavatsky, and Alice Bailey of the Theosophical society. Bailey, founded the Lucifer trust now Lucis trust, which prints and publishes Unite Nations Literature... Also Obama's campaign symbol was based on the Lucis trust symbol. When you look at the old theosophical writings, which was purely channeled by ascended masters... you'll find that what those "Ascended Masters" were saying and promoting back then what all the plaideidian aliens, and other entities like Ra from David Wilcock. Seth, Bashar... The entities that Delores Cannon talks to when her subjects are in deep hypnosis. Sure there are minor differences... but generally they all promote the new age of Aquarius! The old theosphical writings talked about the externalization of the Heirarchy... Which means that gradually the Illuminati would bring mankind up to speed with the mystery school teachings, Stuff you hear in Zeitgeist, Jordan Maxwell (who admits working for plaiedians), David Icke, Michael Tsarion (Who thinks Blavatsky is one of the greatest scholars of all time), Manly P hall, and on and on are the slow indoctrination of the public into the mystery school teachings. The Ultimate goal was then and still is, is to prepare mankind for the coming of the spiritual heirarchy, The Return of quetzacoatl, The Living Buddha Maitreya, or according to Robert Dean "The Alien who owns planet earth". This stuff all comes from the one world Religion of the New world order... And we ALL KNOW that the NWO Worship satan and do child sacrifice, bohemian grove, chapter 33, etc and on and on

The truth movement is littered with "new age," concepts that comes straight from Luciferian Theosophy. The 2012 enlightment, and splitting into 5D earth etc.... This is all done on purpose to manipulate us into giving up our humanity. But you may say, "enlightened peace on earth sounds great! What's wrong with that?" Essentially nothing... but it's HOW it's brought about is the question... Problem-Reaction - Solution. With the way 2011 is heading... Wars, earthquakes and Revolutions... all leading up to 2012... These events are orchestrated to make it look like something terrible is going to happen, whether a false flag operation from "Evil Aliens," or a World war III as david icke predicts... bringing china into the picture. SOMETHING... and it has to be really bad... is going to set the entire population on of earth on edge.. The Illuminati may even try to make someone look like the biblical antichrist... whatever happens Most of mankind will be in a state of fear : PROBLEM

REACTION: Ascended masters or Aliens as humans brothers will come down to earth... Disclosure will ensue... They will try to spiritually enlighten mankind and promise world peace. They will probably say, "We are the gods of all your religions, we made you in our image, Our DNA is in your DNA"

SOLUTION: We as an entire world coming out of war will like this solution very much and most of the earth will go along with it. However... Not everyone will buy it. A lot of christians and Muslims won't... because their text make predictions about a false peace that will deceive the very elect. And since most of the worlds wars were caused by religion anyway (Actually it's pretty obvious a lot of the religious wars were caused by the hidden controllers of mankind.) So we will be told to do away with religions. A lot of atheists won't like it either because they don't want to worship anyone lol. anyway... This will be the start of the great Genocide on the earth...

The context of the genocide will be... "Oh human has to spiritually evolve! Everyone will have powers and be super psychic! Only then will there be true peace." And since all the people who don't go along with this Evolution won't go along with it. They'll be seen as holding humanity back from world peace and evolution... by then a lot of humanity will be drinking Absinthe, taking DMT and other drugs that will be promoted by the ascended masters or aliens... They'll be so high and coming out of a state of global shock that many will go along with this genocide.

2012-2019 much of this will take place...

[Omni]

My personal opinion is the GFoL is a US government/TPTB psy op to continue the saviorship model of inaction. And to increase judgmental behavior. It also has a side job to discredit ET contactees. I'm sure it's more complicated then that.


Why does Val Valarian warn against the dangers of the Ashtar collective/command an ET channeled group, but,,,gives his full endorsement of the chanelling of these andromadans by Alex Collier?

At least get your information right. Alex Collier adamantly discounts that he channels anything. He speaks of alleged face to face and telepathic contact, and does not channel messages.

Billy Meier advocates taking children away from their parents if the parents are too young(I forget the exact age, I think it was 30 years old for males if I remember correctly).

I hold opposing views to you DNA. I think Alex Collier is light years ahead of Billy Meier in terms of actual tangible messages. I also think he(Meier) is full of it and not to be trusted. Not that I'm saying he wasn't involved in some sort of legit psy op or ET contact.

But out of what, 30,000 pages of information, what of it has value? One explanation of telepathic hypnosis is the only thing I've ever seen gained from Billy Meier in terms of valid information. And I had already experienced it and spoke of it prior to hearing it from him. I just know it's legit.

[DNA]

My personal opinion is the GFoL is a US government/TPTB psy op to continue the saviorship model of inaction. And to increase judgmental behavior. It also has a side job to discredit ET contactees. I'm sure it's more complicated then that.


Why does Val Valarian warn against the dangers of the Ashtar collective/command an ET channeled group, but,,,gives his full endorsement of the chanelling of these andromadans by Alex Collier?

At least get your information right. Alex Collier adamantly discounts that he channels anything. He speaks of alleged face to face and telepathic contact, and does not channel messages.

Billy Meier advocates taking children away from their parents if the parents are too young(I forget the exact age, I think it was 30 years old for males if I remember correctly).

I hold opposing views to you DNA. I think Alex Collier is light years ahead of Billy Meier in terms of actual tangible messages. I also think he(Meier) is full of it and not to be trusted. Not that I'm saying he wasn't involved in some sort of legit psy op or ET contact.

But out of what, 30,000 pages of information, what of it has value? One explanation of telepathic hypnosis is the only thing I've ever seen gained from Billy Meier in terms of valid information. And I had already experienced it and spoke of it prior to hearing it from him. I just know it's legit.

Well you seem very passionate about your ideals I'll give you that. :)

In all of the Wendelle Stevens contact books, Wendelle looked for documentable evidence. Billy Meier has more than anyone out there. Billy has made multiple scientific and exploratory obervations before earth science ever even had a clue. This is proof of genius in my opinion.

If the words of Alex Collier sooth you with their promises, (unfullfilled) and their predictions (unfullfilled) and his tangible evidence (non-existant) then by all means continue your path as a devotee of Alex a disciple to his pleasent sounding voice. He does have a pleasent sounding voice, I will give you that. :)

By the way Here is A MESSAGE FROM THE ANDROMEDANS CHANNELLED BY ALEX COLLIER (http://partyinthegallows.wordpress.com/2011/05/15/a-message-from-the-andromedans-channelled-by-alex-collier/)

Your taking the Billy Meier message out of context, he is saying that child rearing should have much more thought behind it, and that people should be of a certain age before they have children, and they should show a level of responsibility in that regard before they do have children.

I personally think the most important difference in the messages of the two is this.
The Billy Meier contacts say they are "not going to save us, not coming to our rescure, that we will only devolop autonomy if we learn these lessons on our own"
The Alex Collier contacts make promises, and in my opinion disempower through talk of "saving mankind".

If you seek further discourse and dialogue on the issue I suggest we do so at a specialized thread such as this one, or one of your choosing. Billy Meier VS Alex Collier (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20827-Billy-Meier-VS-Alex-Collier)
I appreciate your input on the GFL. It very well could be a government disinfo campaign, and that was my intuition when I met Barbara Marciniak face to face.

[bennycog]

opinion....
For us it may be called the GFL but out amongst the universe who knows what the real name is..
It would kind of make sense that the beings amongst the stars have created an organisation that is here to protect and serve or provide information or to help other beings progress in their consciousness/vibration/unity.
As we all here know there is always the good and the bad side. both think that they have something to offer and both believe they are doing what they are doing for the purpose of their survival. (And both may think it is the right thing to do )
And channeling is about as useful as the mainstream media. Essentially meditaion, clairvoyant's, remote vision, extraterrestrial contact, dream states and many more are a form of channeling. We believe some, we turn down others.
Do we resonate with any of the prestated examples because of their vividness? because of their relevance to our situation? because they are half believable? because of corroberation?
If there is a GFL then i expect that they have been around since before our planet was formed and that our timeline is of no importance to them. They may have seen a world in peral before and they know where our path is heading and know when the right time to act is, because of the experience's they have had with other planets.
They also must know that the inhabitants of a planet can use the construct they have created to sway the inhabitants of that planet. To use them to setup a mind wargame. So when do they step in to make it right? How do we listen to the right ones and how do we know they are the right ones?
What i most want is the suffering to end, of any kind. Do both the yin and the yang of the extraterrestrial origin believe we need to have this suffering until we cant take it no more?

[Omni]

My personal opinion is the GFoL is a US government/TPTB psy op to continue the saviorship model of inaction. And to increase judgmental behavior. It also has a side job to discredit ET contactees. I'm sure it's more complicated then that.


Why does Val Valarian warn against the dangers of the Ashtar collective/command an ET channeled group, but,,,gives his full endorsement of the chanelling of these andromadans by Alex Collier?

At least get your information right. Alex Collier adamantly discounts that he channels anything. He speaks of alleged face to face and telepathic contact, and does not channel messages.

Billy Meier advocates taking children away from their parents if the parents are too young(I forget the exact age, I think it was 30 years old for males if I remember correctly).

I hold opposing views to you DNA. I think Alex Collier is light years ahead of Billy Meier in terms of actual tangible messages. I also think he(Meier) is full of it and not to be trusted. Not that I'm saying he wasn't involved in some sort of legit psy op or ET contact.

But out of what, 30,000 pages of information, what of it has value? One explanation of telepathic hypnosis is the only thing I've ever seen gained from Billy Meier in terms of valid information. And I had already experienced it and spoke of it prior to hearing it from him. I just know it's legit.

Well you seem very passionate about your ideals I'll give you that. :)

I am not too passionate about Billy Meier or Alex Collier. My post was written with very little emotion.


In all of the Wendelle Stevens contact books, Wendelle looked for documentable evidence. Billy Meier has more than anyone out there. Billy has made multiple scientific and exploratory obervations before earth science ever even had a clue. This is proof of genius in my opinion.

First of all, being TOLD something and repeating it, does not take a genius...

Secondly, Billy Meier also has a lot of evidence of fraud against him.


If the words of Alex Collier sooth you with their promises, (unfullfilled) and their predictions (unfullfilled) and his tangible evidence (non-existant) then by all means continue your path as a devotee of Alex a disciple to his pleasent sounding voice. He does have a pleasent sounding voice, I will give you that. :)

What promises are you talking about? Both have things to discredit them. I think you have a bias TBH :p


By the way Here is A MESSAGE FROM THE ANDROMEDANS CHANNELLED BY ALEX COLLIER (http://partyinthegallows.wordpress.com/2011/05/15/a-message-from-the-andromedans-channelled-by-alex-collier/)

Did you even read the beginning of the article? Quoted from the very beginning of the article:

"I would like to share something with you that Vasais had to say on the subject of intention. Vasais said, “the smallest piece....."

He is clearly talking about a conversation. Not a channeled message. If you knew much about Collier you would know he doesn't channel messages. The website made an error.


Your taking the Billy Meier message out of context, he is saying that child rearing should have much more thought behind it, and that people should be of a certain age before they have children, and they should show a level of responsibility in that regard before they do have children.

Unless what I read about him was false, he also wanted to incorporate rules, that a child gets taken from their parent if the parent is below 30 for males, and like 27 for females. He sponsored implementing this unless what I read was wrong(which I doubt). I took nothing out of context.


I personally think the most important difference in the messages of two is this.
The Billy Meier contacts say they are "not going to save us, not coming to our rescure, that we will only devolop autonomy if we learn these lessons on our own"
The Alex Collier contacts make promises, and in my opinion disempower through talk of "saving mankind".

The Andromedans speak of mentorship. Alex Collier himself has said numerous times they told him they aren't going to save us if I remember correctly. I've never heard a single time Collier say they were going to save us. You clearly have been getting your info from sources like Michael Horn. And clearly never even listened to Alex Collier. I've heard pretty much every video that has been released of his. Never heard him once say we are going to be saved by Andromedans. And especially nothing even close to anything disempowering. You have a right to your opinion regardless, but at least get your facts right.


If you seek further discourse and dialogue on the issue I suggest we do so at a specialized thread such as this one, or one of your choosing. Billy Meier VS Alex Collier (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20827-Billy-Meier-VS-Alex-Collier)
I appreciate your input on the GFL. It very well could be a government disinfo campaign, and that was my intuition when I met Barbara Marciniak face to face.

Sorry. Responding here as this is where the reply would be relevant, displacing it from this convo would probably not make sense, and also not be read by the same people reading the development of this thread. I've already spoke in the VS thread you made. I'll try to not post again though about this in this thread(Unless you post misinfo about Collier again).

[DNA]

Brother, I would like nothing more than believe Alex Collier. I have listened to his speaking engagements. He sounds like a nice guy. And I personally think Val Valarian is a genius (of sorts), one of the reasons I started the Billy Meier VS Alex Collier (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20827-Billy-Meier-VS-Alex-Collier) thread was in the hopes of learning valuable new information about Alex, in hopes that Michael Horn's accusations would be proven invalid.
But instead of folks showing me why I should give Alex a chance, all I heard were folks pointing out Meier's flaws. And Granted he has them.
But no one could give me documented cases as to enligten to the genius behind Alex.
People can post pictures of Billy's cheesy ray gun, cheesy wedding cake ship and faked dinosaur pictures all they want.
But, bottom line, Billy has the best pictures of UFOs out there that have gone through profesional spectral analysis and stood the test.
Metel alloy samples said to not be from this planet, and a host of amazing predicitons from his book written in 1975 that was reproduced by Wendelle Stevens in 1981 (I have a copy) telling of two IRAQ wars started by the USA.

And as far as this is concerned.

Unless what I read about him was false, he also wanted to incorporate rules, that a child gets taken from their parent if the parent is below 30 for males, and like 27 for females. He sponsored implementing this unless what I read was wrong(which I doubt). I took nothing out of context.

This was an advised implementation to be phased in over decades if the world wanted to addresse it's overpopulation problems and faulty parenting problems.
On a personal note, before I ever heard of the Meiers material,,,,,I wrote a paper in college damning the welfare system of the united states, saying how it only enables child producing by faulty parents and I went on to taut a plan in which a license had to be obtained before legal child birth would be allowed.
Such a license would only be granted if sanity of the would be parents and economicle viability could be established.
I didn't even suggest taking children away from parents, just that they have a state sponsored guardian over see the goings on, and be responcible for funneling subsidies to the family if they be needed.

[Calz]

There is light and dark. Answers are often found more in the dark than the light. Our wounded shadow self has darkness but we have to go there and examine it to bring the light in.



Hence the true beauty and power of your Margarita Lounge :washing:

All travel weary light workers can slide up to the dryer and quench their pallets with a few of those succulent salty ones.

The "dark side" can start to flow and balance is restored to the Universe and all is well.

[DNA]

Hi MoSh :)
You've given me quite a bit to comment on here.



Whether it's, plaideian aliens, Andromedans, ascended masters, dead spirits, ad infinitum... If you stop looking at these entities that come out of channeling as different beings... but instead look at them as the same beings!
I don't understand if you are stating this as a positve reflection of what is channelled or a negative reflection of channelling as a whole.
Regardless, I personally disagree with this statement.
I think there is a huge chunk of channelled information I think is negative.
I also think there is some decent stuff out there.
I think it important to be discerning,,,,,and to NOT treat it like one size fits all.




You have to put this in context with the very first types of channeled information which comes from Maddame Blavatsky, and Alice Bailey of the Theosophical society. Bailey, founded the Lucifer trust now Lucis trust, which prints and publishes Unite Nations Literature... Also Obama's campaign symbol was based on the Lucis trust symbol.

I personally think Jordan Maxwell's use of the rising sun in trying to create symbolic connections between everything is a tad stretched in my opinion.
The rising sun represents a new day,,,this is Jungian collective unconscious 101,,,we all live on the same planet.
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I also can not make a clean correlation between Blavatsky and what is going on now. Blavatsky said she was in telepathic communication with ascended masters who's then incarnation was in Tibet. So, she was telepathically talking to living people.
Blavatsky being hugely influenced by Gnostic literature, as I myself am, you can't take the whole satan thing at face value.
The Gnostics believe that the old testement god Yehwah was the blind idiot godling
who inslaves the spark of mankind by forcing us to reincarnate here.
The Gnostics also believe that the snake in the garden of eden was the first incarnation of Jesus.
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The entities that Delores Cannon talks to when her subjects are in deep hypnosis.

I don't trust that message. Just a personal thing.

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The truth movement is littered with "new age," concepts that comes straight from Luciferian Theosophy


Again, I don't know if you understand how gnostic scripture differs in major viewpoints here. Are you using Luciferian as a negative conontaiton?
Personally I'm a fan of Blavatasky.

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Michael Tsarion (Who thinks Blavatsky is one of the greatest scholars of all time),

As do I. :)
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This stuff all comes from the one world Religion of the New world order... And we ALL KNOW that the NWO Worship satan and do child sacrifice, bohemian grove, chapter 33, etc and on and on



Oh here we go. I finally understand you now.
Yea,,,,you are really getting caught up in this whole lucifer/devil thing.
It's the one knock on alex jones as far as I'm concerned,,,but hey,,,,it's tough looking at the world without a foundation belief system with which to rely on.:)

The error of your analogies and comparisons is that you don't understand Gnosticisim, and as such,,you don't understand Blavatsky.
Blavatsky's teachings have nothing in common with NWO bohemian grove stuff.
The word Gnostic is greek for "internal knowing" and the whole premise is more shamanic than religious.
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Again for the record I do appreciate and use some channelled material. I don't think it is all service to self, negative entitites.
There is some really good stuff out there.:)

Thanks for the input.
I appreciate your thoughts

[9eagle9]

Lol. Everything 'off' planet isn't an ascended master.

Or has been proven in anyway proven to be 'better' than humanity. Which further dehumanizes us.

People who have no concept of what ascended is are hardly qualified to determine what is ascended or mastery when they haven't yet learned to master themselves.

[greybeard]

I quote Dr David Hawkins.
Everything that you need to know about spirituality is to be found in form.

In other words any enlightened soul from the ancient vedas till now. That includes Shiva The Buddha Christ and others.
All saying the same thing.
No ancient secrets, all clear, God is to be found within.
The Father and I are one.
Every enlightened sage has said exactly the same thing.

Im not saying there is not extra terestial beings who may be more advanced than us spiritually.
Being more advanced does not mean they know more than a sage here in embodiment.
It just means they have taken on board the spiritual teachings.
Ascended masters were Masters here --- their word is documented here or they are not Masters.

We are all equal souls -- in this world are or else where.
We are God.
Why do we want to follow something lesser than ultimate truth?
God is within.

Chris

[Calz]

Lol. Everything 'off' planet isn't an ascended master.

Or has been proven in anyway proven to be 'better' than humanity. Which further dehumanizes us.

People who have no concept of what ascended is are hardly qualified to determine what is ascended or mastery when they haven't yet learned to master themselves.

Edgar Cayce's "dead Presbyterian" comments come to mind :)

[9eagle9]

YAY, your back!! I was afraid Jimmy Buffet flew down in his UFO and whisked you off to that fake commerical money making stuffed parrot margarita planet .

You were gone a long time I had time to perfect the skinny margarita and an orange one. The Tide with a touch of Febreze margarita was an utter fail.

Dark margaritas all around!




There is light and dark. Answers are often found more in the dark than the light. Our wounded shadow self has darkness but we have to go there and examine it to bring the light in.



Hence the true beauty and power of your Margarita Lounge :washing:

All travel weary light workers can slide up to the dryer and quench their pallets with a few of those succulent salty ones.

The "dark side" can start to flow and balance is restored to the Universe and all is well.

[DianeKJ]

:p, I am quite fond of Blackberry Margaritas. My sister and I are perfecting the recipe. It's an ongoing taste-test study, we have been working on it for years!

[MoSh187]

Interesting DNA. Usually people who are Pro Ascension will say things like... you just don't understand it etc. I just don't buy that at all. I haven't articulated my explanation yet but I will at some point. I can't remember which David Icke video it was... but in it he was talking about the ascended master which he thinks is controlled by the same force that the Illuminati are. He was in touch with ascended master in his early days and they were responsible for his two first books. some of what's in his first book closely mirrors almost word for word what was in Bailey's material. I don't think he ripped her off... I really think that whatever entities she was talking to also talked to him. Keep in mind this is also the time he was going on television making all of these end of the world predictions that never came true.

So even by David Icke's experience... he never really openly talks about it but I think he knows he was a victim of these entities posing as ascended masters. His first two books reflect them so well... but nowadays he says they are controlled like the Illuminati. I just find that interesting.

[9eagle9]

PRO or CON ascension?. That's like saying there's pro or con breathing. Ascension just happens when one allows it to happen. To some people it begins to happen until they are misled by a bunch of gobbedly gook and the process halts, and some are well under way in the process but they are still normal breathing human beings. And they will admit to being as such. They uncovered a few facets of themselves that have previously not been expressed.

I'm sure lots of people are con Ascension because of all the BS out there about it. Good for them. They are at least not buying into even more dense construct making. But pro ascenscion people are often times the ones spreading it around so it makes them con ascension by default. I assure you that people in the process don't turn into saints, cooing Sweetie, Baby love and Darling we are coming to save you and pirouetting about with magick wands like their in a girdle commercial.

Its a very simple precept that can be shown in five minutes, and then its up to the person who desires it keep practicing it. Some one gobbedly gooked the concept up to make it appear mystical or that people are shrouded by crystal clouds or they are 'masters at ascension' which further interrupts the process. Who is going to go to a higher level of expression when one keeps cluttering themselves up with a lot of density.

I doubt that anyone who is all hyped up on the Ascension train could even tell me what their expectations of it are. The same way Lightworkers can't give an apt description of the light they claim to work in. Its something you do for yourself not something that happens to you. . One has the abiity to access other levels of existence , to see this 'reality' for what it really is, NOW here in our own density, which is why SOME people know that the GFL is-a construct. Among MANY of them and lots of people have been deceived by them daily, hourly, minute by minute which just creates more density . You can't tell them that because its literal brainwash and we know that you can't break brainwash simply by telling people they are conditioned.

But to explain the process is mundane and boring and not all magical unicorns and etheric clouds so people go chasing rainbows and gurus on flying carpets which means they want rainbows and flying carpets not an ascension process. They want what they don't want. And thats fine. But they have to muddy the waters of what Ascension is for the rest of the people who want something real and DEMONSTRATES itself while they are off looking for their genie in a bottle.

A lot of people have been taken in by psuedo Ascended Masters which is why we are discussing the topic.Some people have risen (ascended?) above it and see it for what it is.It doesn't make them masters but they have at least that particular portion of the matrix game. We are examining things that are constructs, that pose as ascended masters.

We have a lot of people on earth that we have actual access to higher expression to that are mastering ascencion. Like Chris. Why do we not nominate him as an Ascended Master?

Because he wouldn't allow it understanding what humility is, and that people who are expressing on a higher level don't walk around in a light ship or robe with one finger pointed to the sky proclaiming "'Im an ascended master."

Yeah and I'm this months' playmate of the month.

Oh gawd not plain old boring Chris who doesn't ride a magickal pegasus but just speaks a lot of higher expression (HIGHER=Ascended)wisdom, we can't have that! How dull! We have to invisible people hovering in the mothership flown by blue unicorns and proppelled by faery wings.

If we need people to coo 'beloved and darlings' at us why don't we go find a mommy? Because I'm thinking that is what people are looking for a parental figure to keep them safe (save them), not their own higher self authority. Its an internal process and there's nothing 'out there' that is external that is going to change that or help it along The only people currently preventing themselves of entering this process...is themselves. By their own choice.

Ascension means what it means. HIGHER . Higher expression. If it was a matter of climbing up a ladder the local roofing contractor with his butt crack hanging out for all the world to see would be an ascended master.

[TWINCANS]

Redezra, does your computer use anything other than italic case? Just wundrin'

[9eagle9]

:p, I am quite fond of Blackberry Margaritas. My sister and I are perfecting the recipe. It's an ongoing taste-test study, we have been working on it for years!


That was what I had in mind precisely for a dark margarita, Blackberry or Blueberry....

Plus I like that 'sinister' aspect. A sort of Darth Vaderish cocktail...

[Calz]

YAY, your back!! I was afraid Jimmy Buffet flew down in his UFO and whisked you off to that fake commerical money making stuffed parrot margarita planet .

You were gone a long time I had time to perfect the skinny margarita and an orange one. The Tide with a touch of Febreze margarita was an utter fail.

Dark margaritas all around!



Not back yet but working our way there ... have better (but not yet good) net connection.

Any reason for margaritas on the house sounds great to me though :washing:

Did you let the server go who kept mistakenly adding detergent to the complimentary salsa for chips??? :yuck:

[DNA]

Interesting DNA. Usually people who are Pro Ascension will say things like... you just don't understand it etc. I just don't buy that at all. I haven't articulated my explanation yet but I will at some point.
I apologise if I came off assuming.
Ascension isn't really in my vocabulary.
I'm not ascended and I don't know anyone who is ascended. I picked up Blavatsky because her creation mythos is identical to Edgar Cayce's, and because of her immense influence on one of my favorite authors HP LOVECRAFT. She doesn't seem to be overly preocupied with asension.




I can't remember which David Icke video it was... but in it he was talking about the ascended master which he thinks is controlled by the same force that the Illuminati are. He was in touch with ascended master in his early days and they were responsible for his two first books. some of what's in his first book closely mirrors almost word for word what was in Bailey's material. I don't think he ripped her off... I really think that whatever entities she was talking to also talked to him. Keep in mind this is also the time he was going on television making all of these end of the world predictions that never came true.

Maybe we could find common ground if instead of the word ascended master we used the word astral entity.
I think there are ALL kinds of vibrational or dimensional levels if you will,,,,,,,,,,for ease of reference folks ussually term them the fourth dimension and above.
Lots of astral parasites and strange entities formally of the third dimension (our lovely dimension) stay in 4D rather than move on to the fifth dimension or above where they would be subject to universal law (the house rules) and continue on their paths of learning by returning to the third dimension to reincarnate.
Fourth D astrals have the most to gain by slobbering around in our D, and that is why one should look before you leap when channellers are concerned.

Bailey and Blavatsky could have been talking to different folks.
I've never personally read any of Bailey's material.
I also don't really have a stance on David Icke. I'm familiar with his work, I just don't know if I agree with it.





So even by David Icke's experience... he never really openly talks about it but I think he knows he was a victim of these entities posing as ascended masters. His first two books reflect them so well... but nowadays he says they are controlled like the Illuminati. I just find that interesting.

For the record I absolutely think there are negative things going bump in the night.
And the bohemian grove stuff,,,,,I don't doubt that stuff is going on.
Scares the crap out of me really. Going in depth about all the documented cases of pedophilia, sex abuse, ritual murder.
Are there 4D monsters inhabiting such men? I think so. I really do.
Again,,,,,the ascended master thing,,,,,,,I just don't use that word,,,,too confusing for me to use in a negative sense.


Take Care MoSh
Thanks for the input
DNA

[sshenry]

I quote Dr David Hawkins.
Everything that you need to know about spirituality is to be found in form.

In other words any enlightened soul from the ancient vedas till now. That includes Shiva The Buddha Christ and others.
All saying the same thing.
No ancient secrets, all clear, God is to be found within.
The Father and I are one.
Every enlightened sage has said exactly the same thing.

Im not saying there is not extra terestial beings who may be more advanced than us spiritually.
Being more advanced does not mean they know more than a sage here in embodiment.
It just means they have taken on board the spiritual teachings.
Ascended masters were Masters here --- their word is documented here or they are not Masters.

We are all equal souls -- in this world are or else where.
We are God.
Why do we want to follow something lesser than ultimate truth?
God is within.

Chris

Thank you for this Chris.

History has shown that there are always those who are willing to turn over this knowledge and the power that it invests in each and every one of us for the assurance that someone else is taking responsibility for their well-being and to avoid having to take responsibility for themselves.

I don't understand it, but I suppose if that is where they are on their individual journey, then perhaps they have to experience what they are NOT before they can actually accept who and what they really are.

[Omni]

Interesting DNA. Usually people who are Pro Ascension will say things like... you just don't understand it etc. I just don't buy that at all. I haven't articulated my explanation yet but I will at some point. I can't remember which David Icke video it was... but in it he was talking about the ascended master which he thinks is controlled by the same force that the Illuminati are. He was in touch with ascended master in his early days and they were responsible for his two first books. some of what's in his first book closely mirrors almost word for word what was in Bailey's material. I don't think he ripped her off... I really think that whatever entities she was talking to also talked to him. Keep in mind this is also the time he was going on television making all of these end of the world predictions that never came true.

So even by David Icke's experience... he never really openly talks about it but I think he knows he was a victim of these entities posing as ascended masters. His first two books reflect them so well... but nowadays he says they are controlled like the Illuminati. I just find that interesting.

Mosh I have the same theory myself, and I believe I am dealing myself with these forces. So it's no baseless theory.

They even blatantly told me they had sabotaged and infiltrated to some degrees David Icke. They said that he was chosen [or foreseen] for his role in humanity before it happened(like they claimed I was). Often the people chosen or foreseen to have an impact will be mind controlled to majorly character assassinate themselves before they are fully aware of the full picture of who they are up against. And before(but sometimes after) they become well known.

The AI said that 'the same group that does things to me' is behind Icke saying he was "the son of the godhead". They tried to convince me of similar things. You can usually tell who these forces have infiltrated. They often claim they are Jesus reincarnated. Or quetzalcoatl(sp). Things like that. They have tried to get me to believe I was related to Jesus, and also WAS Jesus(although they did these two different illusions at different times). It's conclusive to me they do these things. And when I see it popping up(or something similar) it speaks to me the same tactics are in place.

The point of getting someone to claim they were Jesus is to discredit them in a major way. Even if they were Jesus, stating who one was in past lives if it speaks of greatness is not a wise thing to do. I would keep it to myself if I knew I was Einstein or something(which they have also tried to make me think with fabricated[or I suppose real but not likely] past life cognitions).

[MariaDine]

Someone saying he is Jesus ? ....LOL....You mean that Maitreia guy ? the guy that appears in a video in one of Avalon threads ? ....Oh, that guy is hilarious. I haven't laugh so much since I saw Monty Python « Life of Brian».



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjz16xjeBAA&feature=related

[OnyxKnight]

The interference was done to an already evolving terrestrial 2d mammal this was done in the times of lemuria, and atlantis untill the great flood.


Can you explain to me an animal living in just two dimensions?

I'm really amazed people throw around these terms, without thinking about it at all.


There is no archaeological evedence to suggest that we were dumbed down, only that miraculous mass evolution, occured.


Oh no?

Explain how your hipocampus is the size it is today, and as potent as tooth on its bad day. If the manipulations continued, it would reach a size of a grain of rice.

Also, care to explain how we have ended up with organs in our body that don't have any function at all?

Why we use only 8% of our brain potential no matter how much we try to advance?

I think the evidence is overwhelming.


why believe what modern people tell without a shred of evidence ?[/I]

And there is evidence of angels or fallen angels for that matter?

I'm not well versed in angeology and demonology (I should pick up these subjects soon, as recently my mind has been revolving around topics like history, anthropology and human evolution, and its been a mindf*ck to be honest, I could use some chilling out with biblical poetry).

What I have heard, of some people who claim to be experts in this field is that angels really do have wings and they are born from eggs. I used to be fascinated by this as a kid, till bringing it up to some who have been to 'heaven' and back laughing in my face about it. Nevemrind that though.

Is there an angel feather I could analyze? Assuming their wings are as real as its said, by flapping them like all other animals a feather or two should fall, at the very least.

Or maybe the egg shell?

I know a thing or two in terms of biology, I might put out the basic data before others, more competent than me, confirm or deny this.

I also would find it weird that angels are born from eggs, if I were you. Reptiles are born from eggs as well. Just saying ...

[RedeZra]

And there is evidence of angels or fallen angels for that matter?

I also would find it weird that angels are born from eggs, if I were you. Reptiles are born from eggs as well. Just saying ...

angels are not physical and therefore they are not born from eggs ; )

every culture and religion on earth share this tradition about the existence of ethereal entities

but there is no way to hold an ethereal feather in the hand



Redezra, does your computer use anything other than italic case? Just wundrin'


; )

[9eagle9]

There's enough channeled information from Archangels Tootsie and Bambie that has been posted recently on this forum that one should be able to determine for themselves.....

[loveandgratitude]

TO ALL AT AVALON

http://lindabegley.com/myPictures/BlessYourDayangelgirlinpurple.gif

[OnyxKnight]

And there is evidence of angels or fallen angels for that matter?

I also would find it weird that angels are born from eggs, if I were you. Reptiles are born from eggs as well. Just saying ...

angels are not physical and therefore they are not born from eggs ; )

every culture and religion on earth share this tradition about the existence of ethereal entities

but there is no way to hold an ethereal feather in the hand

Answer me this then:

1 - Why do ethereal beings have the need to display wings or winged appendages?

2- Why do ethereal beings have the need for starships?

3- Why do ethereal beings have the need to mess with our civilization to the degree where they would punish somebody to an eternal torment for non-compliance?

4- Why do ethereal beings keep pushing religious indoctrination like many cult leaders?

[Meadowlark]

It was then that I realized that these flowery types who claim to channel angelic/aliens and the sort, can be very dangeous.
For one thing, aliens who respected your autonomy would never present themselves as something superior to you in any form(angelic), for they would never want you to subjucate your autonomy in any way by having you elevate their voice above your own.

I'm also suspicious of any so-called benevolent ETs who don't fully respect our sovereignty and autonomy. I'm not saying they're all bad, but I'm wary of the messages they give.

I've followed Miriam Delicado and I've generally been impressed with her. She says she's in contact with the Pleiadians also, but she says they've been very clear about encouraging our autonomy and saying the they aren't here to save us-- we'll have to do that ourselves. So I'm curious about what DNA, OnyxKnght, and Omniverse think about her.

[Calz]

Riddle me this Avalonians.

What is everyone's opinion of whether or not there is a *BALANCE* in the Universe???

Perhaps it not answerable on this level ... but seems a reasonable query in lieu of the train of thought in this thread.

[TWINCANS]

And there is evidence of angels or fallen angels for that matter?

I also would find it weird that angels are born from eggs, if I were you. Reptiles are born from eggs as well. Just saying ...

angels are not physical and therefore they are not born from eggs ; )

every culture and religion on earth share this tradition about the existence of ethereal entities

but there is no way to hold an ethereal feather in the hand



Redezra, does your computer use anything other than italic case? Just wundrin'


; )


Thx for straightening it out for me. :lol:

[Lazlo]

I rarely see it mentioned that all of the references to the GFL, Ashtar, higher dimensional entities, etc is analagous to how we view "primitive" tribes in the Amazon.
They have been existing quite happily for a very long time before the "technology superior visitors from far away" came along and put them on a reservation, tried to convert them to the worship of foreign gods, and then started stealing their resources. Are their lives fundamentally better now that they have been contacted and interfered with by an "advanced" group?

It's all cultural relativism.

How about they leave us alone and let us work this out on our own, for good or bad. Chris is absolutely right. The answers come from within and we don't need, nor should we expect, any saviour.

[9eagle9]

Rest assured they will leave us alone. Mostly.

The are only real to the people who invest in that sort of thing. For people who invest in what is real...different story. They create their own destiny.

I have to admit though as much as that crap grits my teeth, when the ufo lands and the adherents walk in one by one I will be the first to give them my blessing as they wave bye bye.

[Calz]

I rarely see it mentioned that all of the references to the GFL, Ashtar, higher dimensional entities, etc is analagous to how we view "primitive" tribes in the Amazon.
They have been existing quite happily for a very long time before the "technology superior visitors from far away" came along and put them on a reservation, tried to convert them to the worship of foreign gods, and then started stealing their resources. Are their lives fundamentally better now that they have been contacted and interfered with by an "advanced" group?

It's all cultural relativism.

How about they leave us alone and let us work this out on our own, for good or bad. Chris is absolutely right. The answers come from within and we don't need, nor should we expect, any saviour.

Cannot speak first hand ... but allegedly the aboriginal tribes in oz do (or did) a lot of oobe to visit folk all over the universe.

Not a rarity or limited to the tribe shaman ... what they did for "entertainment" (sounds a helluva lot more fun than television) :smokin:

[Lazlo]

I rarely see it mentioned that all of the references to the GFL, Ashtar, higher dimensional entities, etc is analagous to how we view "primitive" tribes in the Amazon.
They have been existing quite happily for a very long time before the "technology superior visitors from far away" came along and put them on a reservation, tried to convert them to the worship of foreign gods, and then started stealing their resources. Are their lives fundamentally better now that they have been contacted and interfered with by an "advanced" group?

It's all cultural relativism.

How about they leave us alone and let us work this out on our own, for good or bad. Chris is absolutely right. The answers come from within and we don't need, nor should we expect, any saviour.

Cannot speak first hand ... but allegedly the aboriginal tribes in oz do (or did) a lot of oobe to visit folk all over the universe.

Not a rarity or limited to the tribe shaman ... what they did for "entertainment" (sounds a helluva lot more fun than television) :smokin:

Graham Hancock took it right to the edge in "Supernatural", but stopped short of saying that this was extraterrestrial, but the book definitely leaves the impression that he believes that it is trans-dimensional. Used by Shaman the world over, in every place you look, and even back to the paleolithic. Accessed through altered states of consciousness, be they induced by ritual or chemical means. There is a very interesting section in the book where he discusses the entities who control the switchboard. I uh, ahem, cough, cough, experimented when I was much younger, and while I didn't make any small talk with "others", I definitely felt like I hooked into someone who was watching.

[loveandgratitude]

A good interview to describe the difference between angels, humans and the different frequencies that allow each of us to receive our own perceptions of reality. A great interview by posted by Daviddallany.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?22784-Drunvalo-Melchizedek-s-interview.&p=243553#post243553

Angels are all around us, most of us know this.
Some are too cynical or busy to notice.
Some think they just have wings and fly.
but others don't even question why.
They look like you and me. They all have a purpose.
They are only here to guide us and serve us.
How many times have we said,"That was close!"
and went on to feel depressed and morose?
We never even thought of how lucky we are
to have these angels provide us with care.
So next time you see the beggar on the street
remember to greet him and be real sweet
For it just might be a test from God
to see how loving you'll be to this sot.
So get in your car or catch the bus
But please don't forget whose watching over us.
Thank them and cherish them and give them the praise
and you will be blessed the rest of your days

[DNA]

It was then that I realized that these flowery types who claim to channel angelic/aliens and the sort, can be very dangeous.
For one thing, aliens who respected your autonomy would never present themselves as something superior to you in any form(angelic), for they would never want you to subjucate your autonomy in any way by having you elevate their voice above your own.

I'm also suspicious of any so-called benevolent ETs who don't fully respect our sovereignty and autonomy. I'm not saying they're all bad, but I'm wary of the messages they give.

I've followed Miriam Delicado and I've generally been impressed with her. She says she's in contact with the Pleiadians also, but she says they've been very clear about encouraging our autonomy and saying the they aren't here to save us-- we'll have to do that ourselves. So I'm curious about what DNA, OnyxKnght, and Omniverse think about her.

I for one would like to hear some more substance from Delicado so I could make a more informed opinion about her.
I've listened to her first Camelot video, and this is all I got out of it. She likes the Hopi. She thinks that the four corners area will be a safe area if/when sh!t starts hitting the fan.
She could have said that in like five minutes yet she goes on and on and on about,,,,well,,,,,,a whole lot of nothing.
If anyone else got anything out of her videos please let me know.
I for one thought listening to her was about as pleasent and entertaining as getting my teeth pulled.



Graham Hancock took it right to the edge in "Supernatural", but stopped short of saying that this was extraterrestrial, but the book definitely leaves the impression that he believes that it is trans-dimensional. Used by Shaman the world over, in every place you look, and even back to the paleolithic. Accessed through altered states of consciousness, be they induced by ritual or chemical means. There is a very interesting section in the book where he discusses the entities who control the switchboard. I uh, ahem, cough, cough, experimented when I was much younger, and while I didn't make any small talk with "others", I definitely felt like I hooked into someone who was watching.

Graham Hancock is so the freaking man. If I ever was to go homo for a guy, it would be Graham.
Did I share too much? :)
Graham took the vine of dimensional fortitued in South America.
That takes balls in my opinion.
I have got to read this book. Supernatural and Entangled go together like PB&J from what I'm hearing.
Entities that control the switchboard?? That sounds a lot like the stuff we are talking about at another thread.Parasitic Non-Organic Multidimensional Beings (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21614-Parasitic-Non-Organic-Multidimensional-Beings) (shamelessly looking for a bump) :)

Through meditation and experimentation myself.
(You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs,,,,or in this case social constraint(chains)paradigms)
I have broken through and seen what seem to be those at the switchboard myself.
Second post here. Holographically Projected Human/Alien Healers (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?22614-Holographically-Projected-Human-Alien-Healers) (I'm really shamelesly looking for a bump here as well) :)

Appreciate you input Lazlo.

[MariaDine]

And there is evidence of angels or fallen angels for that matter?

I also would find it weird that angels are born from eggs, if I were you. Reptiles are born from eggs as well. Just saying ...

angels are not physical and therefore they are not born from eggs ; )

every culture and religion on earth share this tradition about the existence of ethereal entities

but there is no way to hold an ethereal feather in the hand

Answer me this then:

1 - Why do ethereal beings have the need to display wings or winged appendages?

2- Why do ethereal beings have the need for starships?

3- Why do ethereal beings have the need to mess with our civilization to the degree where they would punish somebody to an eternal torment for non-compliance?

4- Why do ethereal beings keep pushing religious indoctrination like many cult leaders?

1 - The light that comes from energy centers and spread sideways give the impression of wings.
2 - Acording to Urantia book there are multi dimensional beings in our universe. Galactic, planetary...each «star» has a evolucionary «conscience». Ethereal beings , but denser because they are closer to 4D, need denser veicules to space travel. Density seems to be a question of vibration.
3 - Not all beings chose the same thing. What you see as eternal torment, for them is a source of energy.
4 - Bellow as Above. (Hermes Trismesgistus) Consciences in evolucionary process.

[RedeZra]

1 - Why do ethereal beings have the need to display wings or winged appendages?

2- Why do ethereal beings have the need for starships?

3- Why do ethereal beings have the need to mess with our civilization to the degree where they would punish somebody to an eternal torment for non-compliance?

4- Why do ethereal beings keep pushing religious indoctrination like many cult leaders?

there are ethereal entities in the terrestrial infernal and celestial spheres

since they are not bogged down by physicality then how much mentally superior do you think they are compared to us ?

they can mess with your sense of reality big time ; )



angels are portrayed with wings as they are lightbodies

humans imagine they must have wings to traverse space


it's in Hollywood we see starships and in a virtual reality ; )


today we have an infernal infestation in the world since the PTB are in leauge with them and invites them

they do not preach religion but nuage ; )

[Fred Steeves]

I finally saw all I needed to see of GFL about a year and a half ago when they just couldn't help "themselves" and touted Obama's health care scam as a promising sign for the future of mankind.

Fred said bye bye to these enlightened saviors.


Cheers,
Fred

[9eagle9]

This is how a part of this is constructed and that is through ourselves--media, Hollywood, etc etc.

People in a state of arrested development. Some portion of their maturation process was halted. I've experienced this myself but it exhibited in a different way. Not a fascination with channeled material but an inability to manage my life very well. Instead of allowing myself the notion that someone was going to manage my life for me , things were just in shambles all the time, like a college dorm room because that's where an aspect of my development got stalled at. Once I kicked stared it again I could manage my life much better, I ran it instead of it running me.

I was in that half way place. I knew enough to know that no one was going to manage MY life and all that that implies, but I wasn't doing such a hot job of it either.

We have been given this life to manage. For US to manage not some airy faery crap hovering conveniently in some invisible place like the OT God, and not some PTB group that just encourages this crap, not because they hate us, but because they prosper and grow wealthy from the inability of people to manage their own lives. Now when you express a vapid slavish belief in this crap you are sending a clear message. " I don't want to manage my own life." Hey face it, if our kids burped up a thousand dollars every time they failed to manage the responsibilities we've given them to manage how anxious would we be to encourage them to manage their life. If we are honest and not come back with pious dishonest statements like "I don't care about money." People who claim they don't care about money care very much about it because the care enough to have to remind people of that pious fact of their existence repeatedly. People who don't care about material things don't mention money hardly at all good, bad or indifferent.

So..when you are tacitly shouting out to the universe that you don't want to manage your life, .something will step through that door and manage it for you. The PTB, something, someone will take up that empty space. Law of attraction call it that, call it whatever, that's what it is. And people who don't want to manage their lives come off as what....? Very immature?

Yes. You've noticed this. We've noticed this.

This is why this flowery bs , is so faery tale sounding, and is presented in this fashion. It operates through peoples arrested development. If one has noticed much of this drivel reminds one of feminine hygiene product commercials or cartoon characters it is because.....people in a state of arrested development identify with stuff like that. First in youth when we are inundated with cartoons, and commercials, and then again as adults we are inundated with subliminated media.. Its keyed into our psyche LONG before we ever hear or see the channeled material, and when the channeled material hits it 'it resonates' it pings on what the mind has already been conditioned with. So it sounds familiar. It may even evoke the 'safe' feeling of childhood which is very tempting. Childhoods when our lives were managed for us. Which is deliberate emotional manipulation.

two) Much of this channeled garbage has a core value of 'savior'. Most of us where conditioned with messiah and savior religions and conditioning. Not all of us but quite a lot of us. The core value is the same as Christianity" a magickal being is going to save you." Just the names have changed and some 'lite' embellishment has been added to make one think they are not in a partiachal belief system again. But they are. 'Lite' patriachal. These magickal beings could exist

So that too resonates because it pings on our pre conditioned belief it resonates because its familiar seeming, therefore 'comforting', even if its not in anyway truthful or even credible when you break it all down. And you can break ALL Of it down and find its core values in things we've already been conditioned with. Religions, advertising, cartoons and other media. Clean all those crap and filters out of you and you really get an eyeful of what is ACTUALLY going on.

Now when you start doing inner landscape work and find out where the aspect or aspects of one self has been arrested via core values core beliefs, one begins to see this stuff for what it really is. YOU SEE IT on all levels, not just the words and voices but all of it, for what it is because our conditioning drives our perception.

Those who never had the core value, belief or arrested development see it for what it is right out of the starting gate.

Does anyone know where the text that I just posted came from?

[Omni]

I've followed Miriam Delicado and I've generally been impressed with her. She says she's in contact with the Pleiadians also, but she says they've been very clear about encouraging our autonomy and saying the they aren't here to save us-- we'll have to do that ourselves. So I'm curious about what DNA, OnyxKnght, and Omniverse think about her.

I haven't been subjected to her info yet. I am wary(but open minded) of all sources that have gained notoriety as to possibly not having all truth involved. There are capable illusionists at play in the game of reality and explaining reality. I couldn't say any opinion on Mrs Delicado's information. But if she has everything right I'd be very surprised(and pleased).

[amalie65]

The interference was done to an already evolving terrestrial 2d mammal this was done in the times of lemuria, and atlantis untill the great flood.


Can you explain to me an animal living in just two dimensions?

I'm really amazed people throw around these terms, without thinking about it at all.


There is no archaeological evedence to suggest that we were dumbed down, only that miraculous mass evolution, occured.


Oh no?

Explain how your hipocampus is the size it is today, and as potent as tooth on its bad day. If the manipulations continued, it would reach a size of a grain of rice.

Also, care to explain how we have ended up with organs in our body that don't have any function at all?

Why we use only 8% of our brain potential no matter how much we try to advance?

I think the evidence is overwhelming.


why believe what modern people tell without a shred of evidence ?[/I]

And there is evidence of angels or fallen angels for that matter?

I'm not well versed in angeology and demonology (I should pick up these subjects soon, as recently my mind has been revolving around topics like history, anthropology and human evolution, and its been a mindf*ck to be honest, I could use some chilling out with biblical poetry).

What I have heard, of some people who claim to be experts in this field is that angels really do have wings and they are born from eggs. I used to be fascinated by this as a kid, till bringing it up to some who have been to 'heaven' and back laughing in my face about it. Nevemrind that though.

Is there an angel feather I could analyze? Assuming their wings are as real as its said, by flapping them like all other animals a feather or two should fall, at the very least.

Or maybe the egg shell?

I know a thing or two in terms of biology, I might put out the basic data before others, more competent than me, confirm or deny this.

I also would find it weird that angels are born from eggs, if I were you. Reptiles are born from eggs as well. Just saying ...

Oh my goodness! I have never heard from anyone that which you have heard: angels hatched from eggs, with real feathers, etc. I believe that some people cannot believe in another plane of existence and simply must make reference to that which they are comfortable like wings of real feathers. The hatched from egg thing....seriously I would question their motives behind, in a sense, satirizing angels. WOW.

[MoSh187]

Someone saying he is Jesus ? ....LOL....You mean that Maitreia guy ? the guy that appears in a video in one of Avalon threads ? ....Oh, that guy is hilarious. I haven't laugh so much since I saw Monty Python « Life of Brian».



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjz16xjeBAA&feature=related

The Maitreya from Benjamin Creme is, I think just a distraction. It's to build hype about the anti christ. Although Creme has destroyed his reputation MANY MANY times by saying he was already on tv and made himself public.... when none of it is true.

[RedeZra]

The Maitreya from Benjamin Creme is, I think just a distraction. It's to build hype about the anti christ. Although Creme has destroyed his reputation MANY MANY times by saying he was already on tv and made himself public.... when none of it is true.

the Adversary of humanity is called Satan by Christianity and Mara by Buddhism

these are just two names of the same evul


Mara (Satan) is well aware of the Prophecy concerning Maitreya and tries to trick us and create confusion and ridicule by presenting false Maitreyas ; )

Maitreya is destined to overcome Mara and become a Buddha

[MoSh187]

The Maitreya from Benjamin Creme is, I think just a distraction. It's to build hype about the anti christ. Although Creme has destroyed his reputation MANY MANY times by saying he was already on tv and made himself public.... when none of it is true.

the Adversary of humanity is called Satan by Christianity and Mara by Buddhism

these are just two names of the same evul


Mara (Satan) is well aware of the Prophecy concerning Maitreya and tries to trick us and create confusion and ridicule by presenting false Maitreyas ; )

Maitreya is destined to overcome Mara and become a Buddha

Yes, I've heard of the Maitreya Buddha. I think The Real anti christ won't be for some time. My guess is they will try a project blue beam approach to introduce him. What a better example than an alien who claims to be the father of mankind.... which the bible says will deceive the very elect.

[Meadowlark]

I for one would like to hear some more substance from Delicado so I could make a more informed opinion about her.
I've listened to her first Camelot video, and this is all I got out of it. She likes the Hopi. She thinks that the four corners area will be a safe area if/when sh!t starts hitting the fan.
She could have said that in like five minutes yet she goes on and on and on about,,,,well,,,,,,a whole lot of nothing.
If anyone else got anything out of her videos please let me know.
I for one thought listening to her was about as pleasent and entertaining as getting my teeth pulled.

I guess you’re right to some extent. There was something about her and her message that just resonated with me.

I had just ready some books that were pretty doom and gloom, and she struck me as being positive and determined without being saccharine like some of the other new age talk I hear that makes me suspicious.

I read her book too and found her to be pretty savvy and not naive to the darker forces that were out there. She talks about being recruited by Russian psychics and knowing to be wary of them; dealing with people she believes were clones, possibly employed by the government; and as her encounters with different types of ETs.

It is just interesting to me that the messages she gets from the Pleiadians seem very different than those promoted by others. They made clear that were incarnated beings like us, and didn’t try to talk down to us like some other Pleiadian messages I’ve heard.

Just trying to make sense of all of it, so I appreciate your thoughts, DNA.


I haven't been subjected to her info yet. I am wary(but open minded) of all sources that have gained notoriety as to possibly not having all truth involved. There are capable illusionists at play in the game of reality and explaining reality. I couldn't say any opinion on Mrs Delicado's information. But if she has everything right I'd be very surprised(and pleased).

I'd be very surprised if ANYONE has EVERYTHING right... But thanks for your comments too Omniverse.

Here are some links to her material in case anyone's interested:

http://projectcamelot.org/miriam_delicado.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aCjRToTGL0&feature=player_embedded#at=31

Here's her website: http://alienbluestar.com/

I forgot to mention 9eagle9 as someone I would like to hear comment on this, so please do if you’re interested. The same goes for anyone else familiar with her work or who has thoughts on the subject.

Thanks :cool:

[DNA]

This is how a part of this is constructed and that is through ourselves--media, Hollywood, etc etc.

People in a state of arrested development. Some portion of their maturation process was halted. I've experienced this myself but it exhibited in a different way. Not a fascination with channeled material but an inability to manage my life very well. Instead of allowing myself the notion that someone was going to manage my life for me , things were just in shambles all the time, like a college dorm room because that's where an aspect of my development got stalled at. Once I kicked stared it again I could manage my life much better, I ran it instead of it running me.

I was in that half way place. I knew enough to know that no one was going to manage MY life and all that that implies, but I wasn't doing such a hot job of it either.

We have been given this life to manage. For US to manage not some airy faery crap hovering conveniently in some invisible place like the OT God, and not some PTB group that just encourages this crap, not because they hate us, but because they prosper and grow wealthy from the inability of people to manage their own lives. Now when you express a vapid slavish belief in this crap you are sending a clear message. " I don't want to manage my own life." Hey face it, if our kids burped up a thousand dollars every time they failed to manage the responsibilities we've given them to manage how anxious would we be to encourage them to manage their life. If we are honest and not come back with pious dishonest statements like "I don't care about money." People who claim they don't care about money care very much about it because the care enough to have to remind people of that pious fact of their existence repeatedly. People who don't care about material things don't mention money hardly at all good, bad or indifferent.

So..when you are tacitly shouting out to the universe that you don't want to manage your life, .something will step through that door and manage it for you. The PTB, something, someone will take up that empty space. Law of attraction call it that, call it whatever, that's what it is. And people who don't want to manage their lives come off as what....? Very immature?

Yes. You've noticed this. We've noticed this.

This is why this flowery bs , is so faery tale sounding, and is presented in this fashion. It operates through peoples arrested development. If one has noticed much of this drivel reminds one of feminine hygiene product commercials or cartoon characters it is because.....people in a state of arrested development identify with stuff like that. First in youth when we are inundated with cartoons, and commercials, and then again as adults we are inundated with subliminated media.. Its keyed into our psyche LONG before we ever hear or see the channeled material, and when the channeled material hits it 'it resonates' it pings on what the mind has already been conditioned with. So it sounds familiar. It may even evoke the 'safe' feeling of childhood which is very tempting. Childhoods when our lives were managed for us. Which is deliberate emotional manipulation.

two) Much of this channeled garbage has a core value of 'savior'. Most of us where conditioned with messiah and savior religions and conditioning. Not all of us but quite a lot of us. The core value is the same as Christianity" a magickal being is going to save you." Just the names have changed and some 'lite' embellishment has been added to make one think they are not in a partiachal belief system again. But they are. 'Lite' patriachal. These magickal beings could exist

So that too resonates because it pings on our pre conditioned belief it resonates because its familiar seeming, therefore 'comforting', even if its not in anyway truthful or even credible when you break it all down. And you can break ALL Of it down and find its core values in things we've already been conditioned with. Religions, advertising, cartoons and other media. Clean all those crap and filters out of you and you really get an eyeful of what is ACTUALLY going on.

Now when you start doing inner landscape work and find out where the aspect or aspects of one self has been arrested via core values core beliefs, one begins to see this stuff for what it really is. YOU SEE IT on all levels, not just the words and voices but all of it, for what it is because our conditioning drives our perception.

Those who never had the core value, belief or arrested development see it for what it is right out of the starting gate.

Does anyone know where the text that I just posted came from?

No idea where you got this information,,,,but I know what you are saying.



I think information we recieve on our spiritual paths should be given the same analagous importance as a bucket of water when putting out a fire.
It is the act of aquiring it and discarding it that creates the desired effects.

[RedeZra]

Yes, I've heard of the Maitreya Buddha. I think The Real anti christ won't be for some time. My guess is they will try a project blue beam approach to introduce him. What a better example than an alien who claims to be the father of mankind.... which the bible says will deceive the very elect.

many are already so deceived that they defend deceptions and attack truths

if it was possible then the elect would be fooled

but it's not possible ; )

[leavesoftrees]

The interference was done to an already evolving terrestrial 2d mammal this was done in the times of lemuria, and atlantis untill the great flood.


Can you explain to me an animal living in just two dimensions?

I'm really amazed people throw around these terms, without thinking about it at all.

I think Cellardoor is referring to animals as being 2nd density, not 2 dimensional.

[DNA]

The interference was done to an already evolving terrestrial 2d mammal this was done in the times of lemuria, and atlantis untill the great flood.


Can you explain to me an animal living in just two dimensions?

I'm really amazed people throw around these terms, without thinking about it at all.

I think Cellardoor is referring to animals as being 2nd density, not 2 dimensional.

That's what gets me.
As far as I'm concerned animals are all on the same frequency as humans.

As far as what is lower dimensionally speaking than human/animal, I don't know.

We all have our idea of how souls incarnate and evolve.
I know that some adhere to the idea that there is an evolution from lower life to higher life, and while this makes sense, I don't adhere to that line of thinking.

I think animals evolve with a different goal in their evolution.
I think animals are our peers, and their evolution is to devolop/master their innate sense of instinct.

I didn't come up with that, but when I heard it,,it rang true with me.

Would minerals and or plants constitute lower vibrational/dimensional forms of life?
Just pondering.

[DNA]

I was listening to the Meier tapes as made by Randolph Winters and I came across this tid bit of information.

Meier lists a negative ET race of humans on the planet that lived prior to 1980 in two seperate locations. Under the Giza pyramids and the moon of Jupiter called Ganymede.
This Giza Intelligence has apparentlly opened dialogues with humans under the guise of the ashtar command.

The Giza Intelligence / Ashtar Command
Beware beings in flying saucers whispering sweet nothings in your ears.
Apparently this culture,,one being a splinter group of the other. The Ashtar splintering off from the Giza Intelligense. They do not have our best interests in mind.
They are too few to ingage openly in all out warfare, but instead, use mind control techniques that try to affect the leaders of the world.
Their flying discs are few, and very old. They do not have the nessasry industrial capacity to produce more, and or fix the advanced models they do have.
It is said, that they influenced the Germans into manufacturing a very very basic disk during WWII, capable of terrestrial flights only.
Meiers says they used mind control on the Germans, so, it is not known wether the Germans knew they were working in concert with these beings, or, were they just being used.
They are said to be the ones responcible for building the pyramids, and, even then they never had the earth humans best interest in mind.
The pyramids being built in a manner that subverts the earth's natural ley line structure in a manner that keeps the earth human's mind from fully devoloping.
There are interesting corrolations in the work by Carmen Boultier called "The Band of Peace". (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al01-W2X-4o)

They left their underground base under the Gyza pyramids, and at this time, their where abouts are unknown.

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Why I always trust myself in regards to what I see about this stuff..

One it certainly hasn't hendered me any, and if I went down that route it certainly would have.

I like your new Avatar DNA.

Vibrational densities.... is basically something is light than something else and so has a free'er flow of energy. Animals generally aren't weighed down by the sort of conscious density humans are. I don't see them obsessing about their weight, their bills, or thier purpose in life. So...a bit less vibrationally dense than we are usually. Their stressors tend to be imposed on them by us as well....animals , frex, that are abused....

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I've met couple of them in my life , in their human incarnations so I know they live 'among us' and their agenda appears slightly complicated to me .

They are in advantage with respect to humans , using their intelligence to explore the universe which includes human society very discrete and secretive way.
One thing I know and hope it does not really matter to say, they do have an agenda and they don't like humans getting to know their ways .

Mankind is curious species to them and they are very interested to learn something from human behavior ( though they don't like to admit they would have anything to learn from species that is many ways more primitive than they are ) ,
they are actually quite benevolent but at the same time, their empathy towards humans has its limits .


They are social and have strong bonds among themselves and they're capable of love and attachment , similar way as we are but as far as their nature goes, they can turn unemotional and detached in matters of seconds if they see someone committed gross failure .
In that respect , they have lots to learn yet about themselves and life ..on their level of existence .

So I fear they can be as kind as unforgiving and while their understanding of human race is limited , they are but trying to improve the situation here ( thinking they help ) in their own systematic way.

They're very systematic, that may be the reason why some would mistake them for AI even though I'm sure they can employ such AI drones too if necessary.


They have clean ideas about how life should be and the earthly experience of human kind does not fit to that system really well so they are trying to 'go around' this all and invent ways how to enforce here one system or another ,

starting from religious cults, psychology support groups , business like organisation and so forth. They are trying to group people together and the methods they use are as I've said earlier,
very discrete. As most other advanced intelligencies in space, telepathy , remote seeing and influencing is common with them and they're able to induce range of illusory phenomena that play proprietary role in grouping people.

For example evoking religious visions in whole territory so that people actually believe them to have a substance .
Or opening access to financial resources to certain group which later becomes target of their prolonged work and influence .

They can be recognized according to their looks and behaviour , needless to say that those who are in real 'command' usually stay away from any exposure to public revelations and they're most concerned with their work as researchers and leaders .



More could be said on their behalf but all I can advice is cautions . There's no meaning in fighting against them because they're not exactly hostile
and they respond to acts of purposeful hostility with very sophisticated actions of revenge, on big scale.
Such as if one of them would be hurt intentionally, they are able to lead a group of humans to the abbyss , on the other side of the planet though.


They need to be treated with intelligent responses and generally, if you are friendly and pure hearted and have something to offer to them and sincerely curious about their insight , they'd never harm you or anyone, they want to live in peace .


I'm not sure if the tales about taking certain number of humans from here 'to their home' are honest or not, and what way would those chosen humans finally live .

There are individual cases I know about and that's another question, if they fall in love with someone here , naturally they strive to take them along .
At the same time, not all humans are interested to leave here, so I'm aware of many heart breaking stories from that lore and cautions from both sides are advisable.



Any more ..


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Ashtar Command and Bases on Venus (TRAILER):

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I never took any Ashtar channelings serious for multiple reasons ... sure some of it may seem wise or interesting but never proved anything.

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This comment from the link reminded me of a book I read recently:




GuerillaGardner
4 minutes ago
Valiant Thor (who worked at Pentagon in the Eisenhower era) is from Venus.
Also, meetings have been taking place on Ganymede, one of Jupiter's moons, according to Dr.MichaelSalla and Elena Danaan. Good stuff. Many galactic beings have parked their "ships" in our solar system at this time of our Great Awakening! I hope something amazing happens!


I am well aware of issues with Dr. Salla, and he and Elena Danaan are contributors to this book - I suspect that the narrator of this video is referencing their collective association and influences when referring to what others have said.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09KN7ZS11?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2_dt_b_product_details

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Welcome to the Future: An Alien Abduction, A Galactic War and the Birth of a New Era Paperback – November 1, 2021
by Megan Rose (Author)



Megan defines the Ashtar Galactic Command as a breakaway group of the Ashtar Collective from Sirius B, which she states was infiltrated by Reptilians. She also says this (breakaway) group has an outpost in the orbit of Jupiter.

She states Ashtar is a military title, and that channelings from 'Lord Ashtar' or Ashtar Sheran was a psychological operation created by Orion greys, reptilians, and the CIA to descredit the Galactic Federation of Worlds.



.... in time it will become clear that extraterrestrial military organizations do not see to give spiritual advice through channeling


Not saying I believe any of this, just I can see how the subject of this video and remote viewing project relate to info being shared by these sources.