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ktlight
15th June 2011, 12:10
FYI:


NATO has poked the bear of the internet (which responded by announcing that it's actually a hydra).

Anthropomorphic confusion aside, a NATO security report about "Anonymous"—the mysterious "hacktivist" group responsible for attacks on MasterCard, Visa, PayPal, Amazon and, most recently, Sony—has led the underground group to respond by cautioning NATO, "This is no longer your world. It is our world - the people's world."

(More on TIME.com: Spain Nabs Alleged 'Anonymous' PlayStation Network Hackers)

NATO's report, issued last month, warned about the rising tide of politically-motivated cyberattacks, singling out Anonymous as the most sophisticated and high-profile of the known hacktivist groups:

"Today, the ad hoc international group of hackers and activists is said to have thousands of operatives and has no set rules or membership. It remains to be seen how much time Anonymous has for pursuing such paths. The longer these attacks persist the more likely countermeasures will be developed, implemented, the groups will be infiltrated and perpetrators persecuted," the report read, also asking, "Can one invoke Article 5 of the Washington Treaty after a cyber attack? And what response mechanisms should the Alliance employ against the attacker? Should the retaliation be limited to cyber means only, or should conventional military strikes also be considered?"

In response, Anonymous issued a lengthy statement (Google-cached version; the site is having server issues currently) that says, in part:

"We do not wish to threaten anybody's way of life. We do not wish to dictate anything to anybody. We do not wish to terrorize any nation.

We merely wish to remove power from vested interests and return it to the people - who, in a democracy, it should never have been taken from in the first place.

The government makes the law. This does not give them the right to break it. If the government was doing nothing underhand or illegal, there would be nothing 'embarassing' [sic] about Wikileaks revelations, nor would there have been any scandal emanating from HBGary. The resulting scandals were not a result of Anonymous' or Wikileaks' revelations, they were the result of the CONTENT of those revelations. And responsibility for that content can be laid solely at the doorstep of policymakers who, like any corrupt entity, naively believed that they were above the law and that they would not be caught.

A lot of government and corporate comment has been dedicated to 'how we can avoid a similar leak in the future'. Such advice ranges from better security, to lower levels of clearance, from harsher penalties for whistleblowers, to censorship of the press.

Our message is simple: Do not lie to the people and you won't have to worry about your lies being exposed. Do not make corrupt deals and you won't have to worry about your corruption being laid bare. Do not break the rules and you won't have to worry about getting in trouble for it."

It goes on to warn, "do not make the mistake of challenging Anonymous. Do not make the mistake of believing you can behead a headless snake. If you slice off one head of Hydra, ten more heads will grow in its place. If you cut down one Anon, ten more will join us purely out of anger at your trampling of dissent."

Quite when Anonymous started modeling itself after fictional terrorist organizations is unclear, but the message is just the opposite: NATO is on warning. How they'll respond to this—if they'll respond—remains to be seen, but I doubt that I'm the only person hoping that any response will be far more measured than bringing up conventional military strikes again.


source
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/716/440/Anonymous_Warns_NATO:_This_Is_No_Longer_Your_World.html=

ulli
15th June 2011, 12:43
Anonymous got lots of emotional support from the public when they helped to bust a pedophile ring...

I'm seeing two camps, and the battle already won....

If its between the PTB using dense cops arresting people for eating a doughnut on a park bench in a playground, on the one hand, as the strong arm of the government...
And on the other hand we have anonymous hacktivists as the headless hydra sending a warning to NATO...too funny...
we can all relax.

The One
15th June 2011, 13:08
Could merge with this http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?22816-Anonymous-Message-to-NATO

Fred Steeves
15th June 2011, 13:17
Anonymous has come a long way since I went out to watch them demonstrate against Scientology in downtown Clearwater a couple of years ago.


Cheers,
Fred

dukes4monny
15th June 2011, 14:42
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However, don't forget: ORDO AB CHAO (Order Out Of Chaos)

http://youtu.be/j_9T1SPJXRI

Menkaure
15th June 2011, 16:23
Some strong words. We shall see if there is any meat to the idea.

Fred Steeves
15th June 2011, 17:05
Some strong words. We shall see if there is any meat to the idea.


I'm a little concerned with the riot footage, not exactly a visual message of peaceful resistance. My jury is still out on them, part of me wants to stand up and cheer, and part says "uh oh".

BTW Menkaure, any relation to George Carlin?


Cheers,
Fred

Ilie Pandia
16th June 2011, 14:46
They could use this Anonymous group to round up every body who supports those ideas :)... just put up the video on your personal blog and signup from your computer on their forum. That should make it easier...

That is not to say that I don't appreciate their efforts, but I personally don't think that playing the secrecy game will work.

Fred Steeves
16th June 2011, 15:23
Aside from the fact that my little voice inside says something is wrong here, let me just briefly lay out analytically a couple of things that stand out:

First off, the phrase "we do not forgive, we do not forget" bothers me. Supposing their "plan" works. Seems to me that would be the age old recipe of the new tyranny replacing the old. Not a motto I would like to live by in the brave new world.

Also, it seems to go directly against Einstein's "no problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness which created it". This goes right along with my inner truth, that the problem can not be solved or fought, it can only be transcended.

My analogy is: What is the only way for a child to solve the problem of not wanting to be a child any more?


Cheers,
Fred

Jake
16th June 2011, 15:23
http://clint.sheer.us/download/imagedump/v-for-vendetta-guy-fawkes-masks-big-row-of-them-by-hawken.dadako-at-flickr--239234587_25bf1473a5_o.jpg

http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/690/690251/v-for-vendetta-20060221085724795.jpg

Carmody
16th June 2011, 15:27
"we do not forgive, we do not forget"

One must be careful with those words. Within them is the death that hides in an unchanging future. Dogmatism and finality. Use them to move forward --but they should be considered, by the individual... to be words of the moment, nothing more.

They may be of good intent but they arise from the ego function. Thus the danger of their shape.

Use them, sure, but don't make them your 'being'.

Look inside, clear the self. Right thought becomes right action.

I'm not being dismissive. This is an outward sign that such is happening, as that is how our communication happens between individuals. We 'talk'. We live in a timestream, within these avatars, so this is inevitable that the communication will be based in those terms.

The awakening of the inner shapes the outer, and vice versa... and the two happen at the same time.

The correctness of it all... is the understanding that the outer is time based and must not be shaping the inner. The inner must shape the outer, and therein, as thoughts go, is the key to the way.