The earth is not overpopulated

[Sloppyjoe]

For those of us who live in cities we can't help to notice that everywhere we go there are huge numbers of cars plugging up the streets making it difficult to get around to where you want to go. I believe that the EARTH isn't overpopulated but the cities are. If you think about it there is so much free land on this earth, but the problem is that we aren't creating new cities and towns to compensate for the growing population. Places in America like LA, New york, san francisco ETC are being piled up with people. Check out this simple graph concerning population growth:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Population_curve.svg

One day we will have to form more major cities, or at least distribute the population evenly amongst the lands, not allow cities to be piled up with millions of people. I also don't get why the NWO has had a plan to decrease the population, but according to the trends it has been growing and growing for many decades now, so they're plan is ultimately failing.

[ROMANWKT]

Thank you for that Sloppyjoe,

There are a lot of people here and all over stating that this world is overpopulated, its nonsense, we all need to look around and you will find complete control of all resources by TPTB.

Everything is controlled food wise, even food dumped into seas to control prices, one could write a book about the control, its all BS, there is all the land that life needs,there is all the food that life needs. money, greed, hoarding, monopolies, constant wars. manipulation etc:------------------

regards
roman

[Taurean]

If everybody in the world stood shoulder to shoulder, back to back, they would all fit quite comfortably onto the island of Sicily

[crosby]

i believe the author, Jim Marrs stated that after doing research on the subject that he found: "the entire global population could fit quite comfortably in the state of texas." this is a perplexing issue. while listening to a call in news channel during my lunch break yesterday, many people were calling in discussing farming, corn production, population control, food, the commoditites market etc. the amazing thing to me was that when a caller voiced his opinion that population control was the biggest issue regarding having enough food, the guest speaker (whose name i can't remember) and the moderator were all ears.... they couldn't get enough of this type of response. when somebody would call and state that there actually is enough food and that the price of oil and food going up was the smoke and mirror affect by the controlling elitests, they cut that person off quickly and moved on..... all i could think of was thank god i don't have to listen to this crap at home.
regards, corson

[Autumn]

The problem is money and the people who don't have any (for food etc.). Så either we get rid of money or get rid of people ... since the decision makers have a but load of money, guess what they decide is the expendable part of the "problem"? It's a no brainer, really.

[Martin]

The overpopulation dogma together with the peak-oil myth (fossil vs. abiotic) and the global warming scam are probably the 3 biggest lies constantly put into our brains since ... well far to long. It is all about controll through fear which most likly could count as the best selling product ever designed!

MfG

Martin

[Wookie]

Sloppyjoe I think you are onto something when talking about too many cars. Here is a list of carfree zones :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_car-free_places

Happy trails Wookie

[blufire]

Threads with this topic pop up consistently and they fill me with frustration and a deep sadness.

No matter which way I think about this conundrum I keep coming back to the same foundational reality.

Even if we take money, fossil fuels, and all other expenses out of the equation we can’t even feed the world population let alone feed unfettered exponential growth.

We have almost depleted all our natural resources globally.
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We have destroyed the eco-balance of the world and will continue to, if we cut down more rainforest for farmland or turn desert (arid) land into food producing cropland or use our oceans for farming . . . . especially with our limited knowledge and ability to understand the impact on future generations.

Maybe if we stopped the population growth now we maybe okay, but realistically I doubt it. We are at the tipping point and on a razors edge to self destruction.

We have to look hard at the fact that our sustainability is seriously out of balance.

Plus we are generations away to becoming a utopian world like the Venus Project.

I don’t have any answers other than I know fooling ourselves into the thought that the planet is not overpopulated is definitely not it. Sometimes I truly hate being so realistic and pragmatic . . . I really do . . . . sometimes I feel like I shouldn’t be on Avalon because I feel so different from the majority of members.

But I also know that in all things we should have balance.

[thunder24]

I think we can feed er one. the people that control the supply lines don't let it all through.
peace

a big portion of the united states has not even been surveyed by foot. deserts are not occupied, and the ability to make a rose bloom in the desert is available. Once again, "they" wont let the techknowledgey out there.

[blufire]

Hi Thunder, I absolutely agree with everything you have said.

We can and do produce enough food for the current population . . . the big problem (even if “they” opened the supply lines) is it is Genetically Mutated Food (GMO). The ONLY way farmers can produce enough food on this mass scale is to use these methods. This “food” is slowly killing us let alone making us terribly unhealthy and disease ridden.

I agree that the deserts of the world can be turned into farmland . . .but should we??? We don’t know what this may do to the already delicate balance of the world’s eco system. Why is it that we feel humans have the right to further dominate all eco-systems of the world???

I also completely agree that the technology exists to farm desert land and even if “they” would release it how many years would it take to implement the technology and work out the bugs.

AND then there’s the problem of who gets to be “distributed" to the not so pleasant places to live while we create our Utopia??

I wish things could be so easy as just “making them” release the food and technology. But I can’t see this being a solution even if they did.

May I strongly recommend watching the movie Soylent Green? Pay close attention to the dates depicted in the movie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green




I think we can feed er one. the people that control the supply lines don't let it all through.
peace

a big portion of the united states has not even been surveyed by foot. deserts are not occupied, and the ability to make a rose bloom in the desert is available. Once again, "they" wont let the techknowledgey out there.

[blufire]

Another huge reality to this topic and specifically on feeding the world’s population is what we are experiencing globally . . . . weather wise.

Avalon has many other threads on, extreme weather, solar flares, earthquakes, floods, droughts, crop failures, out of control wildfires, rogue comets and dark suns.

Look outside folks! It is becoming more difficult to farm in this extreme weather and climate. We have several more years of these extremeties and haven’t even reached the maximum difficulties.

We are losing our ability to farm areas that traditionally have been the bread basket of the world. So how can we create new farmland when we can’t even farm what we have???

[Flash]

You know, I wish you were right sloppy joe. For the moment, we could all be fed correctly if we were to change the agriculture methods for more convivial ones, without GMO. But it is stretch to its limits. Oceans are depleted, land is less productive because of overfarming, deforestation is terrible - and we need forest for food, as well as for oxygen - and it cannot go forever like this. We are a generation or two away from dream land with technological advances, but the turning around has to be faster.

I was listening to a report on television yesterday (one of the rare times) on the seas all over the planet being invades by killing jelly fish, not the ones burning, but some tiny tiny ones killing you with one contact, no cure for it. They are spreading worldwide even in the artic. And the pacific seas invaded by giant jelly fish killing the fishing industry. Scientists do not understand it, all they know is that when something goes wrong in the sea environment, the jelly fish sprout attached to the ocean bottom will release baby jelly fish by millions. And more were ocean floor is inert (lifeless).

The change in our thinking has to be so drastic if we want to survive in great numbers that I doubt the average person can change that much in one generation. Less the average group of people, and less the average nation. Add to this the very poors nations that want economic prosperity, great and undestandable, but with a pricetag staggering for the planet, in view of their sheer number, pricetag the the West has very well been guilty of using.

Oh, and I would prefer not to have to eat bread made with GMO wheat and meat grown with hormones and antibiotics and tomatoes sprayed with Monsanto pesticides in my sloppy joe ;)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8385953.stm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws5hImeonEA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkZ6zodwbrk

[ROMANWKT]

Hi Thunder, I absolutely agree with everything you have said.

We can and do produce enough food for the current population . . . the big problem (even if “they” opened the supply lines) is it is Genetically Mutated Food (GMO). The ONLY way farmers can produce enough food on this mass scale is to use these methods. This “food” is slowly killing us let alone making us terribly unhealthy and disease ridden.

I agree that the deserts of the world can be turned into farmland . . .but should we??? We don’t know what this may do to the already delicate balance of the world’s eco system. Why is it that we feel humans have the right to further dominate all eco-systems of the world???

I also completely agree that the technology exists to farm desert land and even if “they” would release it how many years would it take to implement the technology and work out the bugs.

AND then there’s the problem of who gets to be “distributed" to the not so pleasant places to live while we create our Utopia??

I wish things could be so easy as just “making them” release the food and technology. But I can’t see this being a solution even if they did.

May I strongly recommend watching the movie Soylent Green? Pay close attention to the dates depicted in the movie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green




I think we can feed er one. the people that control the supply lines don't let it all through.
peace

a big portion of the united states has not even been surveyed by foot. deserts are not occupied, and the ability to make a rose bloom in the desert is available. Once again, "they" wont let the techknowledgey out there.

I sorry to say you are very misinformed, that's probably why you feel different about the views some have people here. on both of your post you mention many things, but not realize that all these things are either politically motivated, or through Corporations greed. all the western powers are screwing with all the things mentioned by you, you need to check what is the real information to your worries, then you will see what many see here as manipulation by the TPTB. Yes even the weather.

My regards to you blufire
roman

[Steven]

This topic always comes back and I am glad to see the voices of those who see things could be different with 7 billion people are still expressed. I am absolutely sure that we are currently too many people IF we do not change a thing in our system and day-to-day consumption habit. But, it is not the number of people which is the source of the problem, but its organization (huge cities, thanks to the OP, I totally agree with you), industrial complex and unbalanced consumption. Generally speaking, We waste way too much, we produce unnecessary polluting products (for fantasy), we consume simply too much of everything (northern hemisphere as a lot to do about it).

There are 3 billion people on Earth who live in poverty. They still live with handtools and spend less than 3 dollars a day. Their impact on Earth is 100 time smaller than the 1 billion richest. So, there could be a balancing point in between don't you think? Because the worse in that stat is that if they were a little bit more organized and would have a little more to live with, their impact could be further reduce. Their is a balancing point of consumption for any number of population, up to a certain limit, that would allow Earth to regenerate itself without much of an imbalance in Nature. We consume and we pollute, but Earth can regenerate at a certain rate, this is the data we CAN NOT change and will have to adapt to.

Here some stats on these unbalances: http://www.globalissues.org/article/26/poverty-facts-and-stats

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Namaste, Steven

[Etherios]

To Bluefire and Flash. I dont agree with you guys.

I agree that if we dont change the way we consume and the way we produce the foods we will be in troumble. BUT how can you say that we cant do it ??? do you know how many TONS of fish are fished and then dropped back to the sea dead cause of regulations and price management? Do you know how many fruits we let rot in warehouses for the same reason? GMO are not needed to produce enough for food. Just the huge areas of food that are being used for biofuel could be used for food productions...

We have had technologies to grow food more efficiently and using less space for decades. Just think about hydroponics and farms inside buildings.

We can make enough food for at least 20Billion i believe tho we will start declining at 9 bill. We CANT do it economically. As Steven said ... "it is not the number of people which is the source of the problem, but its organization (huge cities, thanks to the OP, I totally agree with you), industrial complex and unbalanced consumption. Generally speaking, We waste way too much, we produce unnecessary polluting products (for fantasy), we consume simply too much of everything (northern hemisphere as a lot to do about it)."

If you guys want to be Culled so the elite can restart their operations as gods and rulers then be my guest and go volunteer from now. But remember what you are talking its not numbers its human beings that need to die cause its unprofitable to feed them (btw we have been doing this to africa for decades)

[firstlook]

Japan scientist synthesizes meat from human feces

http://www.digitaltrends.com/international/japanese-scientists-creates-meat-out-of-feces/


It's being called the "poop burger". Japanese scientists have found a way to create artificial meat from sewage containing human feces.

Somehow this feels like a Vonnegut plotline: population boom equals food shortage. Solution? Synthesize food from human waste matter. Absurd yes, but Japanese scientists have actually discovered a way to create edible steaks from human feces.

Mitsuyuki Ikeda, a researcher from the Okayama Laboratory, has developed steaks based on proteins from human excrement. Tokyo Sewage approached the scientist because of an overabundance of sewage mud. They asked him to explore the possible uses of the sewage and Ikeda found that the mud contained a great deal of protein because of all the bacteria.

The researchers then extracted those proteins, combined them with a reaction enhancer and put it in an exploder which created the artificial steak. The “meat” is 63% proteins, 25% carbohydrates, 3% lipids and 9% minerals. The researchers color the poop meat red with food coloring and enhance the flavor with soy protein. Initial tests have people saying it even tastes like beef.

Inhabitat notes that “the meatpacking industry causes 18 percent of our greenhouse gas emissions, mostly due to the release of methane from animals.” Livestock also consume huge amounts of resources and space in efforts to feed ourselves as well as the controversy over cruelty to animals. Ikeda’s recycled poop burger would reduce waste and emissions, not to mention obliterating Dante’s circle for gluttons.

The scientists hope to price it the same as actual meat, but at the moment the excrement steaks are ten to twenty times the price they should be thanks to the cost of research. Professor Ikeda understands the psychological barriers that need to be surmounted knowing that your food is made from human feces. They hope that once the research is complete, people will be able to overlook that ugly detail in favor of perks like environmental responsibility, cost and the fact that the meat will have fewer calories.

Waste not; want not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=u1N6QfuIh0g

[Anno]

One of my friends is a private pilot and one of the first things he told me after he started flying was how much empty space there is in the UK and he'd just not noticed. It's not just that the cities and towns are overpopulated, it's that the countryside is shielded. Train lines and motorways all have banks and rows of trees alongside them to deaden the noise, but they also stop you seeing what's out there.

That said, I'm not sure making yet more cities is a good idea. Look at the damage caused to the environment with the numbers we have already. We need to go back to living in balance with nature instead of raping her in new and more efficient ways.

I think population control is something that should be taken more seriously. We can't just go spewing out more and more and more of us. Especially when large chunks of the population are none productive.

[Flash]

To Bluefire and Flash. I dont agree with you guys.

I agree that if we dont change the way we consume and the way we produce the foods we will be in troumble. BUT how can you say that we cant do it ??? do you know how many TONS of fish are fished and then dropped back to the sea dead cause of regulations and price management? Do you know how many fruits we let rot in warehouses for the same reason? GMO are not needed to produce enough for food. Just the huge areas of food that are being used for biofuel could be used for food productions...

We have had technologies to grow food more efficiently and using less space for decades. Just think about hydroponics and farms inside buildings.

Precisely, you are right for the changes, but the changes in thinking needed are very hard to accomplish with today's regular folks mind, they don't even want to hear about Fukishima nuclear problems (I know I mispelled...)!!! Furthermore, your text below in unjust. This is not what I said, I do not want the culling, I said PTB wants it. This is obviously not the solution. So what could we do? To change anything fast enough so that we don't end up with an unlivable planet, PTB would have to make the policies and changes, because they hold the power at the present time, and of course they won't. The only other solution is mass awakening and I don't foresee it without a catastrophe, and yet.... Or Godly intervention. I am not sure the mass would wake up in any circumstance. What do you propose then? (please, don't misread my writing, you presumed thinking that was not there, thanks).

We can make enough food for at least 20Billion i believe tho we will start declining at 9 bill. We CANT do it economically. As Steven said ... "it is not the number of people which is the source of the problem, but its organization (huge cities, thanks to the OP, I totally agree with you), industrial complex and unbalanced consumption. Generally speaking, We waste way too much, we produce unnecessary polluting products (for fantasy), we consume simply too much of everything (northern hemisphere as a lot to do about it)."

If you guys want to be Culled so the elite can restart their operations as gods and rulers then be my guest and go volunteer from now. But remember what you are talking its not numbers its human beings that need to die cause its unprofitable to feed them (btw we have been doing this to africa for decades)

here are my ten words to be able to post

[Flash]

Japan scientist synthesizes meat from human feces

http://www.digitaltrends.com/international/japanese-scientists-creates-meat-out-of-feces/


It's being called the "poop burger". Japanese scientists have found a way to create artificial meat from sewage containing human feces.

Somehow this feels like a Vonnegut plotline: population boom equals food shortage. Solution? Synthesize food from human waste matter. Absurd yes, but Japanese scientists have actually discovered a way to create edible steaks from human feces.

Mitsuyuki Ikeda, a researcher from the Okayama Laboratory, has developed steaks based on proteins from human excrement. Tokyo Sewage approached the scientist because of an overabundance of sewage mud. They asked him to explore the possible uses of the sewage and Ikeda found that the mud contained a great deal of protein because of all the bacteria.

The researchers then extracted those proteins, combined them with a reaction enhancer and put it in an exploder which created the artificial steak. The “meat” is 63% proteins, 25% carbohydrates, 3% lipids and 9% minerals. The researchers color the poop meat red with food coloring and enhance the flavor with soy protein. Initial tests have people saying it even tastes like beef.

Inhabitat notes that “the meatpacking industry causes 18 percent of our greenhouse gas emissions, mostly due to the release of methane from animals.” Livestock also consume huge amounts of resources and space in efforts to feed ourselves as well as the controversy over cruelty to animals. Ikeda’s recycled poop burger would reduce waste and emissions, not to mention obliterating Dante’s circle for gluttons.

The scientists hope to price it the same as actual meat, but at the moment the excrement steaks are ten to twenty times the price they should be thanks to the cost of research. Professor Ikeda understands the psychological barriers that need to be surmounted knowing that your food is made from human feces. They hope that once the research is complete, people will be able to overlook that ugly detail in favor of perks like environmental responsibility, cost and the fact that the meat will have fewer calories.

Waste not; want not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=u1N6QfuIh0g

And now recycled sh .. t. :eek: I bet Japanese would be glad to make us eat sh.. t after the nuclear centrals and protective systems the west sold them;). I would eat worms full of proteins as well before human recycled sh.. t. After all, we are not living in space yet. Hopefully, PTB will use this technique once in their bunkers underground for years.

[Etherios]

here are my ten words to be able to post

All we have to do is start to wake up the people around us ... eventually more will wake up. Else if we dont there wont be anything left tbh.

Overpopulation is truely a huge sick lie. I agree with the OP its city over population. We could make the hole planet 1 huge city and each family have a very big house with farms etc and alot of nature between our houses or small communities.

we have the technology to connect to all and to be able to fast travel anywhere... if we become less global in our food consumption and more local we will reduce the wasted energy by alot. Almost self sustained communities with some bigger cities/ports if needed and we can spread everywhere without killing nature or starve to death.

When ever the way of living rises the birth rates drop ... so i am sure that even with proper way of living human population will stabilize and not grow for ever. People make more kids to have more chances to survive or to work on the field. Not cause they like big families.

I am really sad from all the people that think the culling is not a needed evil to survive.

[thunder24]

education, education, education.

if each one would share, there is no need to de-populate, but to re-educate.
peace

[Etherios]

For those that still believe we have too many people... in the 3rd video he say that with 1974 technology russia said the planet can hold 35 bill people and most statistics talk about a stop in growth around 10 bill ...

all 4 links here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyK3o-fl27k&feature=BFp&list=WL0F40F0B18241BF11&index=1)

[Maia Gabrial]

Hey Taurean,
I agree with you. There is NO overpopulation.....But I'd say you could put everyone in the area the size of Texas and everyone would be quite comfortable. More people need to realize that the myth (or lie) just doesn't hold water....
Maia