UFO Spiral over Western Canada seen from Airplane

[Swami]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQSJFaEMcFo

UFO Spiral in the sky seen and heard across Western Canada


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfy2JMcyMyA

http://sites.google.com/site/2012thebigwobble/_/rsrc/1274597139621/news-forums-videos-and-blogs/sspiral.jpg

http://sites.google.com/site/2012thebigwobble/news-forums-videos-and-blogs
http://sunnypavement.blogspot.com/
http://gazbom.blogspot.com/2010/05/canadian-spiral.html

[stardustaquarion]

It seems like a interdimensional portal to me...

thank you

[morguana]

....................that or some other electromagnetic frequency divice being tested!!!
i wonder what they wish for folk to think? and then my mind goes in the opposite direction.

good find swami, :)

[Solphilos]

Those would have been intriguing if they had did just a little better on the CGI, lol.
Okay, a lot better; that's some pretty bad animation, but I like to give people a little credit for effort

[bashi]

Great swamp-gas footage !!!

Thanks for the posting

[Operator]

This one does even look more unnatural than the one in Norway ... for both videos I wonder why somebody started filming a dark night sky even before it happened.
The video from the airplane is amazingly 'steady' ...

Stunning videos ... perhaps it will get more credibility when it is supported by an increasing number of eye witnesses ... till then I am somewhat skeptical.

[Solphilos]

I noticed that these videos are making their way around other forums as well.

It's amazing that peoples first reaction is to believe them rather than question their authenticity,
especially when they are such sh**ty quality hoaxes. It seems that critical thinking is going out the window :confused:

[morguana]

exactly folks then the mind wanders in the opposite direction.......always good to try to see all sides of what may or may not be the truth.
what i have come to realise is that really it doesnt matter a great deal, sometimes things are just interesting any which way :)

[Richard]

Here's the details from the original source



The Norway spiral comes to mind when TheWeatherSpace.com received photographs and even an amazing video of the event. An object swooped down from the sky and then returned in a brilliant display on Friday night across the Western Canada areas.

Three different photographers have given their photos to TheWeatherSpace.com in what looks like something out of a science fiction movie. We cannot see what would cause this one Earth. The Norway spiral was said to be caused by a missile launch in the Russian territory. But what is this?

The only known areas to launch on the Western coast are the Vandenberg Air Force Base and Alaskan areas. Vandenberg confirms no launches and Kodiak Island has to be ruled out due to the direction of travel (from the west).

The photographs show a very similar shape and mysterious object off the coast of Canada. The object is not a missile as one photograph from the beach has the trajectory curving up! What is it?

A video was sent to TheWeatherSpace.com and the web team has added it to the video server on YouTube.com. The video shows the entire sequence of this object as filmed by Steven Murray.

"I have four sky cameras to catch meteors on and number three caught it", Murray said. "I saw it from my office while doing work. The object was on the monitor. By the time I rushed outside the object was gone but the loudest boom I ever heard from a distance struck shortly after."

http://www.theweatherspace.com/news/05-22-2010-UFO-Spiral-in-the-sky-seen-and-heard-across-Western-Canada.html

Very interesting, lets see if more pics turn up.

[Martin]

For now I say that this is faked. It just feels unnatural, does it?

[morguana]

i will hold my judgment untill more information is brought to light

[Swami]

A new video has come in. This short clip has been edited by Nathan Varney of B.C. Canada. Varney says he saw the object and picked up his camera and zoomed in on it to get the recording. He states that the objected swooped down and then exploded. To the unaided eye he said the object vanished in a brilliant array of patterns but on Camera the object was seen going through a "tunnel", pointed on the leading end as if zooming out of the atmosphere away from the planet.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZnkQPdyRmM


"The objected swooped down and then exploded. To the unaided eye the object vanished in a brilliant array of patterns but on Camera the object was seen going through a "tunnel", pointed on the leading end as if zooming out of the atmosphere away from the planet." - Nathan Varney

http://www.theweatherspace.com/news/images/52310b.jpg

http://www.theweatherspace.com/tws.html

Keep in mind what going on in Egypt.....
I think there's a connection.....


Edgar Cayce stated the following:

"A record of Atlantis from the beginning of those periods when the Spirit took form, or began the encasements in that land; and the developments of the peoples throughout their sojourn; together with the record of the first destruction, and the changes that took place in the land; with the record of the sojournings of the peoples and their varied activities in other lands, and a record of the meetings of all the nations or lands, for the activities in the destruction of Atlantis; and the building of the pyramid of initiation, together with whom, what, and where the opening of the records would come, that are as copies from the sunken Atlantis. For with the change, it [Atlantis] must rise again. In position, this lies -- as the sun rises from the waters -- as the line of the shadows (or light) falls between the paws of the Sphinx; that was set later as the sentinel or guard and which may not be entered from the connecting chambers from the Sphinx's right paw until the time has been fulfilled when the changes must be active in this sphere of man's experience. Then [it lies] between the Sphinx and the river". [378-16; Oct 29, 1933]


http://projectcamelotproductions.com/interviews/giza_geomatrix/giza_geomatrixII.html

http://www.theweatherspace.com/news/images/52210c.jpg
http://www.theweatherspace.com/news/images/52210b.jpg

[Straydog]

The incident in Norway is real for sure.
I didn’t catch the happening my self, but the first thing I heard arriving at work that morning was stories from those which actually did see the happening.
The very same day Norwegian authorities claimed it to be an “intercontinental” test missile launch from a Russian warship that went wrong.
And that the spiral was caused by fuel leaking out of the missile as it “spiraled” away in to space . . .

There is however a similar video/pick on YouTube from Russia showing the same pattern as in Norway, but this happened at another date . . . And that’s weird . . . I also heard stories of extraterrestrials destroying nuke capable test missiles by cutting them to peaces with laser as soon as they leave the atmosphere . . .

[bashi]

Somehow i have the feeling that this is the real deal.

[onawah]

The first part of the video looks hoaxed to me. The way the light sparkles as it travels to the left looks phony. Everything else looks OK, but inasmuch as the first part looks false, I have doubts about the rest as well. There are plenty of the hoaxed ones out there, though why anyone would waste their time creating them is beyond me (except the disinfo people, of course.)

[Operator]

The incident in Norway is real for sure.
I didn’t catch the happening my self, but the first thing I heard arriving at work that morning was stories from those which actually did see the happening.


I think you are right when it is supported massively by eyewitnesses it becomes more credible ... and as you mention before the videos or
images otherwise people will take it from the net and only work like 'repeaters'.

According to Kiesha Crowther appearances of spirals were announced by indigenous tribes before they happened and should be expected ....
but still 'someone' may be throwing in an helping hand ... ;)

[greybeard]

I think you are right when it is supported massively by eyewitnesses it becomes more credible ... and as you mention before the videos or
images otherwise people will take it from the net and only work like 'repeaters'.

According to Kiesha Crowther appearances of spirals were announced by indigenous tribes before they happened and should be expected ....
but still 'someone' may be throwing in an helping hand ... ;)

Yes
I watched her video and found it refreshing.
She can be my little grandmother anytime.
Chris

[bettye198]

Weaponry from the Guardians to offset something worse. That is what came to me. Not an opening but some way to counter what was being thrust our way. I do not believe this was a UFO or something from our military. I believe this came from the Guardian Alliance.

[Olam]

This is evidently a very real fake.....alot of reasons. One, the crickets you hear have been added, that is a fact. Second, the cgi is not even at pro level, mostly at the end of what you can do at home. Third, in the plane, there is no movement outside the plane, its very stiff all around. Then lastly, the human reaction inside the plane would be much more excited and crowded than just a "hey man, check this out".......:nod:
Somebody is trying real hard on that one!

[Robstar]

1. Fake!
2. Fake!
3. Fake!
Man! It is getting to the point where people are not even trying to make it convincing anymore.
LOL!:cool:

[Lucid Jia]

This is evidently a very real fake.....alot of reasons. One, the crickets you hear have been added, that is a fact. Second, the cgi is not even at pro level, mostly at the end of what you can do at home. Third, in the plane, there is no movement outside the plane, its very stiff all around. Then lastly, the human reaction inside the plane would be much more excited and crowded than just a "hey man, check this out".......:nod:
Somebody is trying real hard on that one!

I agree this is fake. Also the camera in the plane is way to steady... who sets a tri-pod up in a passenger airliner looking at nothing?? There would be wide spread reports of this if real.

Seems like someone or ones made a few vids and released them for reactions - hits on website?

[pilotsimone]

One, the crickets you hear have been added, that is a fact.

You are the second person who has referenced these crickets today. Why do you say they have been added and it's a fact? Totally curious.

[ArtyCarl]

This is computer generated in my opinion and not particularly well done either.

[Swami]

Fake.....
No new material emerged. More peoples should have filmed/photographed it...

Listen how the sonic boom ends at 0:44


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfy2JMcyMyA

Impossible in my opinion........

I think its made with this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lTx5RYYNUM

Check the spirals at 2:31...

[Dougall]

Swami - clearly this is tape of a very advanced Weather Balloon
The Military is always trying to trick us with weather balloons from the future.

If that tape is authentic, (I like the one shot from the ground best) it should get everyone excited.
Two perspectives of the same event gives it tons of credibility.

Is it the Air Force? Or a different kind?:alien:

[thedot]

"Fake" is a magic word - enough to say it, and any problem is immediately "solved". No need to research, no need to think... :)

But if we don't hurry to say the "magic word", what will we notice? First, that this spiral looks very similar to those filmed earlier in Norway and Russia. And what a "coincidence" - in all cases the similar looking spirals appeared in the areas with similar installations: the American HAARP in Alaska, the "European HAARP" (EISCAT) near Tromso in Norway, and the "Russian HAARP" near Nizhny Novgorod!

In Russia, they have a subatomic particle acceleratior in the same region, so no problems with energy supply. In Norway, this could be a problem, but wasn't - the installation is European, so the necessary energy had been provided by the famous LHC (Large Hadron Collider) beneath the Franco-Swiss border, which (another "coincidence") just two days earlier "suddenly" returned into operation and by smashing particles also smashed the world record of energy ever generated by this kind of installation. (Is there still anybody believing it was built to test the Big Bang theory, lol?) The energy had been delievered to Tromso using an almost a hundred years old wireless Tesla technology.

The energy for the "Canadian phenomenon" was generated by the second world's largest collider at the U.S. Fermilab complex in Batavia, Illinois, and transmitted to Alaska using the same Tesla technology. Just like in Europe, the launch of the American collider was disguised as a scientific experiment, with 45 guest scientists arrived from different countries. Russia was represented by a 24-old quantum physics prodige, Dr Maria Beloyvan. Mature enough for science, Maria proved too naive in "security" questions. Having learned about the hidden side of the "experiment", she called the Russian Consulate in New York right from the Fermilab building. The same morning of the 7th May, 2010, at 10:50 a.m., she was found dead in the Fermilab's cafeteria.

Even if the spirals in the sky were "fake", the death of a 24-old scientist trying to disclose the mysterious purpose of one of them is certainly not. (Google her name for confirmation and more details.) There are, naturally, no credible "official versions" concerning these spirals. As for the rumors that circulate on the Internet, they are too many to support any. Though those of an interdimentional or time travel portal seem to be the most plausible, already because at least a dozen highly credible Project Camelot witnesses have confirmed their existence, and their descriptions are very close to what we see in the videos.

[morguana]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA7oZBAP28o&feature=related

just to compare with this currant topic, not at all similar in my humble opinion given this and that i cant find any other sources on line ;)
and yes picture quality is way too perfect, but who ever it was that made the vid is haveing a right giggle, i hope :)

[Kulapops]

Fake. Easy to say. Just as easy as 'real'.

Why is it fake? Because it shows something we want to believe in. The magician fools his audience because we want to believe in his magic.

We want to believe there are UFOs, portals (currently spirals because it's in vogue) and we want to believe we are about to be told that this is all real.

Well, on a planet of 6, nearly 7 billion people, most with mobile phones, I should say that, logiclly from what you'd expect if there were really UFOs zipping about and into star portals, the video evidence is rather thin to date.

And the explosion looks straight out of a computer game.

K

K

[Gita]

Thanks Viking. :thumb:

Disclosure 2010 - UFO Spiral Phenomenon Seen in Western Canada

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[thedot]

Kulapops, you are of course free to believe, as you say, what they want you to believe in :) But what to do with the evidence that each of the last two spirals was preceded by generation of enormous quantitiy of energy by the world's most powerful particle accelerators? It's not something that happens every day, not even every year, and in the case of the LHC it's a new world record! Do you think they did it just to say "Yes we can" to the Russians? And what about the possibility that they have intentionally diffused a hundred fake videos to make you believe the real ones are also fake? They did such things plenty of times before.

[thedot]

... and yes picture quality is way too perfect ...

You are absolutely right, morguana! The original video (last year) was of very poor quality, and smaller. Somebody has "improved" it. :)

[Olam]

You are the second person who has referenced these crickets today. Why do you say they have been added and it's a fact? Totally curious.
Im a sound designer and have heard and used this generic cricket ambiance many many times.

[Operator]

And what about the possibility that they have intentionally diffused a hundred fake videos to make you believe the real ones are also fake? They did such things plenty of times before.

In the navy they degauss ships in order not to set of magnetic mines ... they run them through bays with equipment to randomize Weiss particles/areas (sorry I am not native English speaker) ...
Magnetism occurs when so called Weiss particles/areas are pointing in the same direction.

What you mentioned is a process similar to this ... if too much starts to point in the same direction they will diffuse/confuse by
throwing in events that are so obviously fake ... most of the populous will lose interest to investigate further.
A very old but still effective trick ... if it does not work at least the remaining investigating group will fight each other to prove
or disprove it's fake ...

[bashi]

But what to do with the evidence that each of the last two spirals was preceded by generation of enormous quantitiy of energy by the world's most powerful particle accelerators?

Can you provide the dates and times of the related events, pls?

[Manifestor]

"What looked like numerous photographs and videos of a ship entering the cosmos was actually put together by not a team, but one person.

Kevin Martin, a Southern California Weatherman has come forward as the hoaxer.

Martin claims he e-mailed the material to TheWeatherSpace.com in an effort to test a theory of his out.

"Who is more gullible, Americans or Europeans?", asked Martin. "A growing number of conspiracy theorists are American, while Europe seems to have their head on straighter to the facts. I decided to test it out with a half done CGI video and photoshop photo stills, sending it to Betty Morgan at TheWeatherSpace.com Space News section.

Martin claims that his theory was correct, Europeans have a better handle on reality than Americans.

Upon further investigation it seems like Martin is a master at marketing, graphics, and even manipulation. TheWeatherSpace.com was fooled and I apologize for that. "

Source: http://www.theweatherspace.com/news/spacenews.html

[Micjer]

Great detective work ... not falling for the hoax.

This is the ongoing problem about whistleblowers and "eyewitnesses" ..... who do we believe?

[pilotsimone]

Im a sound designer and have heard and used this generic cricket ambiance many many times.

Thank you for clarifying this.

Last night I watched a video of this on youtube and in the comments was a person from Illinois claiming that crickets don't exist in May. I found this odd as I sat listening to crickets outside my window in a state bordering Illinois. LOL.

[Spiralmind]

Officially a hoax!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbytf89mQ6c

Check the provided link also.

[Kulapops]

Yippee ! 'Discernment' wins the day.

But my point of reference, really, is human beings - not quality of video, or even subject.

People want to believe. So you have to do relatively little to convince us if we are already 'framed' that way.

So many of these suspect vids cover what might be a plausible phemnomena. Gee, now I think about it, even that crop circle vid with the floating orbs is probably fake. Why didn't I think of that before?? Just think... make up a plausible idea... aliens make the crop circles (this may be true of course...) then put some thought as to what might plausibly do that - a laser beam? A fog ? Man with a plank is so 'last year'... and even that may be a plausible explanation offered up at the time. So what about orbs... now I think that's a really neat way to explain the formation .

It may of course not be how they are formed... but go and produce a video showing that.. and we are likely to say.. that's it !

So much of this stuff is weak because it is 'sensational'. The sprial UFO and the explosion were 'sensational'. Pyramids over moscow...sensational...Orbs in a field making crop circles... sensational... UFOs being chased by F11s... sensational... Spiral over Norway... sensational....

Do you see the link ?

Truth on the other hand (I feel ) is sensational by its ordinariness.

K

[morguana]

Yippee ! 'Discernment' wins the day.

But my point of reference, really, is human beings - not quality of video, or even subject.

People want to believe. So you have to do relatively little to convince us if we are already 'framed' that way.

So many of these suspect vids cover what might be a plausible phemnomena. Gee, now I think about it, even that crop circle vid with the floating orbs is probably fake. Why didn't I think of that before?? Just think... make up a plausible idea... aliens make the crop circles (this may be true of course...) then put some thought as to what might plausibly do that - a laser beam? A fog ? Man with a plank is so 'last year'... and even that may be a plausible explanation offered up at the time. So what about orbs... now I think that's a really neat way to explain the formation .

It may of course not be how they are formed... but go and produce a video showing that.. and we are likely to say.. that's it !

So much of this stuff is weak because it is 'sensational'. The sprial UFO and the explosion were 'sensational'. Pyramids over moscow...sensational...Orbs in a field making crop circles... sensational... UFOs being chased by F11s... sensational... Spiral over Norway... sensational....

Do you see the link ?

Truth on the other hand (I feel ) is sensational by its ordinariness.

K

thats why kula unless i can relate an issue to personal experience or its backed up by as much 'fact' (now thats a funny word) then i usually choose the 'middle pillar' and have at the back of my mind the concept of kernal of truth.

[Kulapops]

Which is why, Morguana... I think we can save a lot of time with these debates along the same lines...

Do UFOs exist? :Yes they do ! So why worry about trying to prove it? They exist. Isn't that enough? If that isn't enough, then what are you really saying about yourself or the world? You need other people to know they exist too? Hmm.. interesting desire for coercion/control there :0).

Do UFOs exist? :No they don't! Great. How does that change anything? ...and how can you ever possibly prove something doesn't exist ??

Whichever line you pick and stick to can lead to a raft of trouble for the rational or even irrational mind.

Are we not really talking here then about how the existence/non-existence of an 'external stimulus' (UFOs in this case, but could equally be FEMA camps) effects you?

In which case we have a whole new set of questions that you can do something about.

Why does this affect you so? If you know the answer to this, then you'll be less worried if they exist or not. Either way, it's up to you, not them!

K

[morguana]

Which is why, Morguana... I think we can save a lot of time with these debates along the same lines...

Do UFOs exist? :Yes they do ! So why worry about trying to prove it? They exist. Isn't that enough? If that isn't enough, then what are you really saying about yourself or the world? You need other people to know they exist too? Hmm.. interesting desire for coercion/control there :0).

Do UFOs exist? :No they don't! Great. How does that change anything? ...and how can you ever possibly prove something doesn't exist ??

Whichever line you pick and stick to can lead to a raft of trouble for the rational or even irrational mind.

Are we not really talking here then about how the existence/non-existence of an 'external stimulus' (UFOs in this case, but could equally be FEMA camps) effects you?

In which case we have a whole new set of questions that you can do something about.

Why does this affect you so? If you know the answer to this, then you'll be less worried if they exist or not. Either way, it's up to you, not them!

K

exactly!!!! however i have another possable reason for wanting others to know ones beliefs........(interesting desire for coercion/control there), maybe to exchange ideas and to be able to talk with others around subjects, to learn and to grow?
i see all as just information and therefore interesting no matter what.

[Kulapops]

Yes, I agree with you Morguana... so through debate we learn and grow. Doesnt' matter what the debate is about! So the forum really is about people then.. and not about aliens and Illuminati agendas ... :0)

K x

[Hiram]

Yippee ! 'Discernment' wins the day.

But my point of reference, really, is human beings - not quality of video, or even subject.

People want to believe. So you have to do relatively little to convince us if we are already 'framed' that way.

K

One could argue that presuming something is false or untrue just because human have an innate desire to believe such, is probably faulty reasoning. Such an argument is often made with regards to a belief in a higher power, or a belief in life-after death. The argument usually runs: People believe in Aliens, God etc. (insert idea of your choice here) because they want to. It feeds a need they have.

Of course what people forget is that the alternative is also true. People disbelieve in Aliens, God et cetera because it makes them feel comfortable and thinking such feeds a need they have.

This position as applied to believers or non-believers isn't really evaluative. It's not really evidence of anything except that humans have needs and we are more likely to believe that which makes us individually feel comfortable, that that which doesn't. The universe has a tendency to show you exactly what you wish to see. Its reflexive...pretty brilliant actually.

I would also argue that for something to be genuine it doesn't have to be understated and non-sensational. Look at the most recent film images returned from the surface of the sun. They border on being unbelievable. The world does not appear to many of us to be ordinary at all. To some people each moment contains a mystery and a wonder.

When and if you encounter any NTI's or their Craft (if we could call them that)...you will feel like your are dreaming. The sensation feels like madness to a rational mind as you literally can't believe what you are seeing. Our mind has been trained to categorize things like that as "entertainment". Its very hard to reconcile what you are seeing with what you know to be possible. Its soul crushing and enriching and afterwords you feel....reborn, spent, glowing.

I guess what I am saying is belief in and of itself is not a flaw. Its a gamble. Its very human. Only the most modern western thought disparages it from behind a mask of intellectual conceit.

Belief can be quite beautiful. Like every human quality it has many sides.

[bettye198]

I agree Hiram. Who are we to immediately look at something paranormal and not believe or are coaxed to not believe? We already live on a phantom planet with illusion everywhere stunting our spiritual growth and forcing us to think like we are made to think. And how are we also to accept that something real is shown to us and then countered as unreal because "somebody showed a truth and wasn't supposed to?" so it is quickly erased from news as hoax. People have done this countless times with crop circles even. When experts say otherwise. So the object of the game is to keep the open mind, I believe.

[Robstar]

Believe all you want and it does not make something true or real in our physical world.
The world is round, but if you believe it is flat than there is nothing that anyone can say otherwise to convince you.
Keep an open mind ,yes!
If someone who also keeps an open mind and is an expert (at a particular subject) tells you that what you are seeing is not real, do you dismiss it?
There is a fine line between belief and being naive or just plain arrogant.
Blind faith is just that blind.:rolleyes:

[Kulapops]

I also agree with what you say Hiram...it is an amazing world, filled with wonderous things...and it is reflexive and belief is a human essence and an important one.

Everything under the sun.

I could weep with joy for those who have had experiences of alien encounters as you describe. How wonderful to have experienced that , or those sensations.

But we also live in a second hand world. The information age. And information travels fast, and works faster than discernment. So ten thousand people can forward a video or eyewitness account faster than it takes one person to look at that video or account sketpically.

I welcome every experience and belief that people can have. But second hand beliefs...those that are beliefs because they seem likely to be true...or sensational if they were true .... and have come from someone else... well... I just think we need to say..hang on a sec....

K

[Gita]

Thanks Viking. :thumb:

It looks like it’s a hoax guys!

Quote

SPACE; Breaking News: Martin retracts hoax statement, says he was told to keep quiet

A UFO was seen over Western Canada on Friday night. It became an internet buzz and one person stepped forward.

Kevin Martin, a Southern California resident, told TheWeatherSpace.com that he was the hoaxer. He even provided a video example on how he could do it. Some say it did not add up. Martin was not too front with some questions we had to ask.

Martin has retracted his statement.

"I came forward to put this to rest, but I hoaxed that I actually created the hoax", he said. "Something did happen that night. Whether the video is fake or not the photos look convincing. Having your name out there is fun at times, but no more."

Martin is retracting, saying he was told to keep quiet by an unknown visitor to his residence on Tuesday afternoon and that he no longer wanted to be included in the UFO sighting over Western Canada.

Steven Murray contacted TheWeatherSpace after Martin had come forward.

"Martin is lying about it. Someone came to me on Sunday and told me to keep quiet about it. I cannot answer much about what I saw but something over Western Canada cannot be denied."

Murray has been asked not to be contacted by TheWeatherSpace.com about the matter, in order to protect him and his family.

Whatever buzzed Western Canada on the evening of May 21, 2010 may never be solved, however the truth is out there.

Unquote

http://beforeitsnews.com/news/49/972/SPACE;_Breaking_News:_Martin_retracts_hoax_statement,_says_he_was_told_to_keep_quiet.html

[Kulapops]

Yep.. see ??

It is true.

It isn't true.

It is true.

Where does it stop, and how will you ever know the truth of second hand information ??

K

It isn't true.

[Hiram]

Thank you everyone..Kula etc. for the great conversation.

Wise words.

And what is ours as immortal beings and innocent souls?? To chase "truth" back and forth in a world of illusion? Chase it like a puppy caught between two people tossing a ball to each other?

At some point hopefully the puppy realizes that she is being played. She stops running back and forth and she just sits down and watches. When that happens she is usually given the ball. The game is over.

Is ours the fate of the puppy? How long will we run back and forth before we sit down and Be Still

I can't answer that for anyone else.

Like you Kula, I know I can control the knowledge I use to filter my experience. I can affect my thoughts, my voice, my walk,...I can look.....really LOOK at things as I have never looked at them. A leaf. A Cloud. The Bus-Drivers wrinkled eyes. The way that light sparkles off the water.

I look at video's like the one we saw here (and BTW I think it's a clever fake) and say to myself...

What if????

And life gets even more mysterious. I look at the Hoax and say...man, the real thing is probably SO Much cooler than that!

But I think we are in agreement on the nature of these sorts of things!

[Kulapops]

Thank you everyone..Kula etc. for the great conversation.

Wise words.

And what is ours as immortal beings and innocent souls?? To chase "truth" back and forth in a world of illusion? Chase it like a puppy caught between two people tossing a ball to each other?

At some point hopefully the puppy realizes that she is being played. She stops running back and forth and she just sits down and watches. When that happens she is usually given the ball. The game is over.

Is ours the fate of the puppy? How long will we run back and forth before we sit down and Be Still

I can't answer that for anyone else.

Like you Kula, I know I can control the knowledge I use to filter my experience. I can affect my thoughts, my voice, my walk,...I can look.....really LOOK at things as I have never looked at them. A leaf. A Cloud. The Bus-Drivers wrinkled eyes. The way that light sparkles off the water.

I look at video's like the one we saw here (and BTW I think it's a clever fake) and say to myself...

What if????

And life gets even more mysterious. I look at the Hoax and say...man, the real thing is probably SO Much cooler than that!

But I think we are in agreement on the nature of these sorts of things!

I agree with everything you say here, Hiram. In fact.. I could have written it myself !

The truth is (probably, because I don't know) both more oridnary and more wonderful than anyone expects. It is exactly a question of perception.

A leaf can be a miracle, or it can be a hindrance.

The End of the World can be the most important thing in your life, or it could be no greater than the dirt under your shoes.

And in the end perhaps, the only thing that matters is that you believe you are spending your time and your efforts in the best way for you.

Just like that lil ole puppy. He Enjoys the game and then he doesn't... and maybe he will come back to it many times before he transcends it.

Just like me and Avalon.

K

[Hiram]

If I'm not mistaken....we just resonated right there.

[Kulapops]

Well... I certainly resonated with what you wrote...

This can only be good, surely :0)

[Tuza]

As soon as I read anything about a death connected to informatiion then that's it for me. The fact that this young, intelligent woman was murdered because she tried to leak information is enough, no more to be said. Too bad they couldn't get off their backsides to plug the oil leak like they do with other leaks. Lots of anger now for me just to do with this young lady's death. Lots of anger.

[DonnaA]

Now this is really cool stuff. Love the double sonic booms...

Wish I could have seen it with my own eyes. :)

[Grizzom]

It's obviously a computer generated animation with the sound dubbed in.

I wonder what TheWeatherSpace.com agenda is?

Disinfo or a publicity stunt ?

[Kra]

It has already been posted on this thread... the hoaxer came forward he admits he created the animation. The footage is actualy pathetic in terms of realism... some people that are used to technology and / or work with graphics can spot that CGI from miles, so to speak. Even normal gamers can see clearly that this is CGI.... very poor CGI done intentionally like that to see who are more gullible, americans or europeans. What i find interesting is that the hoaxer also claims that he faked something regarding 9/11 (i didn't do research deep enough into this) and this smells fishy. This maybe e technique to make people think that some (if not all) 9/11 proof of inside job is also a hoax done by people who have bad intentions or who are conspiracy theorist = crazy people (stay away from them) or who are just making fun of people to see how they react. And this of course is not true. There is an overwhelming amount of evidence regarding 9/11 that proves that it was in fact an inside job and all ties toggether.

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[Eric J (Viking)]

Hmmm wasn't quite sure why this thread was going where it was...now I know...

It appears that someone has mis interpreted post number 48...oooops...no worries... ;) http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?2337-UFO-Spiral-over-Western-Canada-seen-from-Airplane&p=21912&viewfull=1#post21912

What Mr Martin has stated is he retracting is statement saying it was a hoax!!

This is what he said...
"I came forward to put this to rest, but I hoaxed that I actually created the hoax", he said. "Something did happen that night. Whether the video is fake or not the photos look convincing. Having your name out there is fun at times, but no more."

Martin is retracting, saying he was told to keep quiet by an unknown visitor to his residence on Tuesday afternoon and that he no longer wanted to be included in the UFO sighting over Western Canada."

"I cannot answer much about what I saw but something over Western Canada cannot be denied."

Full read here ...

SPACE; Breaking News: Martin retracts hoax statement, says he was told to keep quiet
http://beforeitsnews.com/news/49/972/SPACE;_Breaking_News:_Martin_retracts_hoax_statement,_says_he_was_told_to_keep_quiet.html

I think there was another Video taken from a different angle!!! couldn't find it!!

viking

[Kra]

Viking it seems that i missed some part of Gita's post. I apologise. But the videos are still fake. Viking tell me if you really think those videos are real. I can bet whatever because i'm sure they are not real... but i can't believe you too think that this could be real stuff.
I have a theory. If something did indeed happened there... then maybe just maybe.... they created a crappy video with crappy animation so people like me and others that said it's fake, see and think right away that this is a hoax (because it's being done on purpose to look like a hoax) and everything related is a hoax so nothing happened there. This can be another technique.

/later edit: it was not my intention to steer the thread with my previous post.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Viking it seems that i missed some part of Gita's post. I apologise. But the videos are still fake. Viking tell me if you really think those videos are real. I can bet whatever because i'm sure they are not real... but i can't believe you too think that this could be real stuff.
I have a theory. If something did indeed happened there... then maybe just maybe.... they created a crappy video with crappy animation so people like me and others that said it's fake, see and think right away that this is a hoax (because it's being done on purpose to look like a hoax) and everything related is a hoax so nothing happened there. This can be another technique.

I honestly don't know Kra...I must say it seems strange that the video just happened to be there at that time of night... *shrugs*

I haven't really looked into or researched too much about this...

From what I gather there were 2 videos floating around at different angles and another video from an aeroplane!..so 3 in all.... Soooo the 1st port of call would be to track down all 3 vids and find out where the came from to see if there is a connection with the 3!!!

Hey Kra...there is sooo much dis-info and fakes floating around we probably wouldn't know the real thing if it did come around!! Sad but true!!

viking

[Kra]

Hey Kra...there is sooo much dis-info and fakes floating around we probably wouldn't know the real thing if it did come around!! Sad but true!!
viking

It's true Viking i know very well how true it is. There are many fakes around internet and some are very well done, not just pictures and videos. Not this one though, this case is different because... it can be seen that it's CGI and because it has sound too, the effects can be heard, the sonic booms, the crickets. But i will just state that this is my opinion not global truth and from now i will keep it to myself when it comes to this subject.

[Kulapops]

How would we even know if it was the real thing if we had seen it with our own eyes even !!! (and not psy-ops.. a hologram.. atmospheric discharge, something in the corner of your eye... fireworks factory.. erm... window in time... err... grease on your glasses.. ooh... your next door neighbour's burglar alarm malfunctioning...)

This is the wrong path to seek in my opinion.. a better path is your garden path.. which has edges that need trimming just now.

K

[Bauzer]

I think the Russian and Norway vids are real, but this Canadian one doesn't really seem up to par.

[Humble Janitor]

I think the person who hoaxed others should know better.

Wouldn't be surprised if the "real thing" came afterward. ;)