The Woodward Thread

[Rocky_Shorz]

Hi everyone,

now everyone knows the name Woodward, thanks to the latest splash, but surprisingly, very few know about the man, only how a story Bill wrote was picked apart by some very bored people... ;)

http://en.mercopress.com/data/cache/noticias/28558/240x0/michael-woodward.jpg

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It is Saint Miguel of Santiago...

in English...

Saint Michael Woodward of Santiago

http://bill.inelia.com/images/stories/brocken_specter.jpg

hey Bill, he does sound like someone you would get along with...


"Following the bloody coup headed by Augusto Pinochet, among the many in the eye of the repressive forces where priests were living in working class neighborhoods, and participated in organizations and Christian base communities. Miguel was a focus of the repression, which deemed him an "extremist", even though his only model and teacher was the Christ of the poor. Miguel had the intransigent conviction that the misery and vulnerability of the poor, particularly of the people with whom he lived in Valparaiso, was an injustice that clamored to the heavens and was rooted in greed, egoism, and the defense of privileges of the rich. Miguel was a man of singular integrity who struggled to give witness with his life, until delivering that life in union with Christ, for his friends."... Memorial Link (http://www.memoriayjusticia.cl/english/en_rights-woodward.htm)


and yet another mystery...


Lawyer Sergio Concha explains: "Miguel had problems with the new bishop of Valparaiso, Emilio Tagle. In August 1972 the bishop suspended him from the priesthood, with no explanation...


This illicit association unleashed a State terrorism in the country, that employed torture as an important foundation from which to implant mass fear in the population. It is believed that approximately 500,000 persons were tortured during the dictatorship. The numbers of persons subjected to torture in Valparaiso and all the Fifth Region cannot be easily calculated, since every person arrested was, at some point, subjected to torture...

you know it is really a shame when a post goes by like this one and nobody notices...

you see, Saint Miguel wasn't standing in front of Bill, he was standing behind him and there is no arguing about authenticity of the image because we can all see Bill's hat...

he saw Bill was dizzy standing in heaven's light so he put a hand on his shoulder...

He told me he gave Bill a gift

it wasn't until I saw this photo that I understood what it was, he gave him a glimpse of Heaven's Light allowing him to capture in an image to share with all of us... We are Truth seekers... and what a very special truth...

now the real question, why did the Catholic Church toss him to the wolves instead of supporting him in helping people?

I did find a little info on the mystery, in Spanish translated by computer, but you'll get the idea...


In Valparaiso the impact of the crisis the church has a special component. Both Catalan and other priests of clear social commitment are harassed by Bishop Tagle and his vicar Bosagna.

The region of Valparaiso made national news by the activities of their bishop. This promoted the excommunication of church members who dare to wear "bikini" during his days at the beach. Bishop Tagle then began a crusade against freedom and everything to look like influence of the left. Enter a frontal attack against those within the church took progressive positions, so the Catalan priests were among the first to be called by the bishop to explain its social and political work among the population...
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&langpair=es|en&u=http://www.rebelion.org/noticia.php%3Fid%3D72467

[ulli]

That was Chile's McCarthy era...everyone who wasn't a right wing Nazi was labelled a Communist.

[Rocky_Shorz]

In the first year of Allende's term, the short-term economic results of Economics Minister Pedro Vuskovic's expansive monetary policy were unambiguously favorable: 12% industrial growth and an 8.6% increase in GDP, accompanied by major declines in inflation (down from 34.9% to 22.1%) and unemployment (down to 3.8%). Allende adopted measures including price freezes, wage increases, and tax reforms, which had the effect of increasing consumer spending and redistributing income downward. Joint public-private public works projects helped reduce unemployment. Much of the banking sector was nationalized. Many enterprises within the copper, coal, iron, nitrate, and steel industries were expropriated, nationalized, or subjected to state intervention. Industrial output increased sharply and unemployment fell during the administration's first year. However, these results were not sustainable and in 1972 the Chilean escudo had runaway inflation of 140%. An economic depression that had begun in 1967 peaked in 1972, exacerbated by capital flight, plummeting private investment, and withdrawal of bank deposits in response to Allende's socialist program. Production fell and unemployment rose. The combination of inflation and government-mandated price-fixing led to the rise of black markets in rice, beans, sugar, and flour, and a "disappearance" of such basic commodities from supermarket shelves.[22]

The Cuban packages scandal revealed arms smuggling from the Communist Cuba to Chile;[citation needed] Allende – surrounded by KGB advisors – had turned Chile into a center for Soviet operations in Latin America.[1][2][23][24][25] Salvador Allende now had a personal KGB adviser. According to Allende's KGB file, Allende "was made to understand the necessity of reorganising Chile's army and intelligence services, and of setting up a relationship between Chile's and the USSR's intelligence services".[23] The nationalization of U.S. and other foreign-owned companies led to increased tensions with the United States. As a result, the Richard Nixon administration organized and inserted secret operatives in Chile, in order to quickly destabilize Allende's government.[21][26][27][28][29] In addition, Nixon gave instructions to make the Chilean economy scream,[23] and international financial pressure restricted economic credit to Chile. Simultaneously, the CIA funded opposition media, politicians, and organizations, helping to accelerate a campaign of domestic destabilization.[30] By 1972, the economic progress of Allende's first year had been reversed, and the economy was in crisis. Political polarization increased, and large mobilizations of both pro- and anti-government groups became frequent, often leading to clashes.

By 1973, Chilean society had grown highly polarized, between strong opponents and equally strong supporters of Salvador Allende and his government. Military actions and movements, separate from the civilian authority, began to manifest in the countryside. A failed military coup was attempted against Allende in June 1973.[31]

In its "Agreement", on August 22, 1973, the Chamber of Deputies of Chile asserted that Chilean democracy had broken down and called for "redirecting government activity", to restore constitutional rule. Less than a month later, on September 11, 1973, the Chilean military deposed Allende, who apparently shot himself in the head to avoid capture[21][32] as the Presidential Palace was surrounded and bombed. Subsequently, rather than restore governmental authority to the civilian legislature, Augusto Pinochet exploited his role as Commander of the Army to seize total power and to establish himself at the head of a junta.

Controversy surrounds alleged CIA involvement in the coup.[33] As early as the Church Committee Report (1975), publicly available documents have indicated that the CIA attempted to prevent Allende from taking office after he was elected in 1970; the CIA itself released documents in 2000 acknowledging this and that Pinochet was one of their favored alternatives to take power.[34]... link... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Chile)


After the coup, Chileans witnessed a large-scale repression, which started as soon as October 1973, with at least 70 persons murdered by the Caravan of Death.[44][45] The four-man junta headed by General Augusto Pinochet abolished civil liberties, dissolved the national congress, banned union activities, prohibited strikes and collective bargaining, and erased the Allende administration's agrarian and economic reforms.[46] The junta jailed, tortured, and executed thousands of Chileans. According to the Rettig commission and the Valech Report, close to 3,200 were executed or "disappeared",[47] and at least 29,000 imprisoned and tortured.[48] According to the Latin American Institute on Mental Health and Human Rights (ILAS), "situations of extreme trauma" affected about 200,000 persons.;[49][50] this figure includes individuals killed, tortured or exiled, and their immediate families...

he asked me to find out why and I will after what he has done for Bill...

[Rocky_Shorz]

so once again all this pain leads back to the bankers and...


"Mr. Kissinger's government career was marked by significant lapses of judgment and calculated efforts to circumvent bureaucratic and even constitutional limits on the use of force and power.... The secret bombing of Cambodia avoided constitutional checks and balances in order to expand the war in Southeast Asia, using a clandestine dual reporting system that was hidden from Congress, the public and most of the Pentagon for nearly five years. The secret bombing nearly became an issue in Mr. Nixon's impeachment inquiry in 1974, when the Senate Armed Services Committee conceded that it still had not learned how the dual bookkeeping system originated. The same week that the government of Prince Sihanouk was overthrown in Cambodia, a direct result of the secret bombing, Mr. Kissinger approved a covert action to undermine the democratically elected government of Salvador Allende in Chile."

link (http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/kissingerdaddybush.htm)


"In early fall of 1976 [during the Kissinger era, nlpwessex], after a Chilean government assassin had killed a Chilean dissident and an American woman with a car bomb in Washington, D.C., George H.W. Bush’s CIA leaked a false report clearing Chile’s military dictatorship and pointing the FBI in the wrong direction...Bush, who later became president of the United States...

[DeDukshyn]

That was Chile's McCarthy era...everyone who wasn't a right wing Nazi was labelled a Communist.

I have several Chilean friends who would vehemently agree ...

[ThePythonicCow]

he asked me to find out why and I will after what he has done for Bill...
Rocky - who is the "he" in your statement?

[Rocky_Shorz]

In 1991 a British author wrote a book that contributed new information, previously unknown to the family, including the fact that Miguel Woodward was buried in a mass grave in Playa Ancha Cemetery of Valparaiso. Nearly 20 years after his murder, the family had no idea where he was buried.

The clues provided by the journalist encouraged the family's search for the truth about what happened to Miguel. Miguel had dual British-Chilean citizenship and since the early 1990s communication with the British government has been more frequent. On several opportunities, the British government has asked for justice in this case. The response from the government of Chile has been that the families have to bring their complaint to the courts because the judicial branch is independent. In view of this reply, the family, which had previously demanded that the State of Chile investigate, decided to file the legal action.

The legal action names Augusto Pinochet and Navy commanders as responsible for the death of Miguel Woodward:

"Considering the hierarchical and vertical structure of the Chilean Armed Forces and the manner in which they prepared for the military coup of 1973, penal responsibility for the crimes committed against the victim lies first with the superior commanders who issued the orders, then with lower-ranking officers who carried out their orders, and lastly, with the operatives who executed the criminal funcions of interrogators, which always meant serving as torturers of the prisoners and often their executioners."

Founded upon Chilean law (the Constitution of 1980 and the Penal Code) as well as international law, the legal action is brought for the crimes of genocide for religious motives, State terrorism, first degree murder, aggravated abduction, torture, illegal interment and exhumation and illicit association... link (http://www.memoriayjusticia.cl/english/en_rights-woodward.htm)

now let us look at his last name...

Iribarri

hmmmm

IR and IB Arri (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19509-Arthurian-Dynasty-In-Search-of-the-Prince-of-Wales--Cymry-&p=208786&viewfull=1#post208786)

and yes you are reading it right...

Saint Miguel was from the Ancient Priest bloodlines of the Cymry...

reincarnated at a time when he was needed.

tortured to death...

not good to have on the resume...

I listed it at the top of your accomplishments...

the reason I can communicate with him is he is from my spiritual tree...

[thunder24]

how do you differentiate spiritual trees from others?

peace

[Rocky_Shorz]

different branches, not a direct lead back to the same parents which would be a family tree.

[Rocky_Shorz]

now GW and team, let this be a lesson, finding the fox hole is just he beginning, writing a report to discredit the one who brought info on the hole forward, a shame...

The real story always gets best when you hop down the hole to find truth...

as for the 18, shame on all of you for being led and not looking closer...

It took only an hour start to finish to find real truths needing to be shared with the world...

[Rocky_Shorz]

This is what I did for close to 200 missing children cases...

you see Iberians are recognized from their leader who was (IrIb)arri who was a very special Priest in the time the Pyramids were built...

he knows much of its secrets and those of the Sumerians...

he also knew how to stop Magicians like Ra... ;)

[Flash]

This is what I did for close to 200 missing children cases... When where and how and who

you see Iberians are recognized from their leader who was (IrIb)arri who was a very special Priest in the time the Pyramids were built... Please clarify the links between Iberia and Egypthe knows much of its secrets and those of the Sumerians...

he also knew how to stop Magicians like Ra... where did you get this information and what do you want to infer? ;)


now GW and team, let this be a lesson, finding the fox hole is just he beginning, writing a report to discredit the one who brought info on the hole forward, a shame...

The real story always gets best when you hop down the hole to find truth...

as for the 18, shame on all of you for being led and not looking closer...

It took only an hour start to finish to find real truths needing to be shared with the world...

in what do they 18 relate to Woodward? what does GW has to to with this thread?

Finally, Rocky, what did you ingest or smoke? LOL, your posts do not seems to make sense or be logical within the thread at times. I really cannot follow up. And i won't study British history, Roman and Constantinople and whatever for months. So if you can, please help here, if not I am out of this thread. Thanks

[Rocky_Shorz]

maybe if you followed the links in my post it would all make sense... ;)

GW started the Woodward Report (http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2704-bill-ryan-inelia-ahumada-benz-and-the-woodward-report-the-discussion-has-been-moved) to destroy Bill, then handed it to the 18 for a way to attack Avalon...

[Flash]

I did follow your links and they are hard to follow, stuffed with stuff that would take eons to read. Explanations and resumes would sometimes help as well. I do understand that you put a lot of efforts on the thread, but I can't really grasp the logic yet.

As for GW, i understand now, but still what does it have to do either with the thread and Woodward real history or what england, stonehenge, iberia, roma, etc have to do with Woodward? Meaning IB Arri?

Very good description of the situation with Allende and Pinochet and the history at the time. Can you answer my questions in red as well?

[Rocky_Shorz]

of course I can, but you need to watch what is being shared, I put a lot into very few words...


Mr. Kissinger approved a covert action to undermine the democratically elected government of Salvador Allende in Chile."

a whole book could be written just from what is shared on this page... :hat:

[Rocky_Shorz]

and as for what does this story have to do with Inelia... are you serious?

link (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread&p=206879&viewfull=1#post206879)


When Inelia was young she lived in Chile, at the time of Salvador Allende's freely elected socialist government. It was a radical experiment in politics - the first time in the world. Her parents were very close to the government.

One of the friends of the family was MICHAEL WOODWARD, a British Catholic Priest.

http://memoriaviva.com/english/victi...ry_michael.htm
http://guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov...ard-valpara-so

Woodward was a wonderful man who Inelia knew. He visited the family often. She was 7 years old at the time of the coup...

[Flash]

and as for what does this story have to do with Inelia... are you serious?

link (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread&p=206879&viewfull=1#post206879)


When Inelia was young she lived in Chile, at the time of Salvador Allende's freely elected socialist government. It was a radical experiment in politics - the first time in the world. Her parents were very close to the government.

One of the friends of the family was MICHAEL WOODWARD, a British Catholic Priest.

http://memoriaviva.com/english/victi...ry_michael.htm
http://guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov...ard-valpara-so

Woodward was a wonderful man who Inelia knew. He visited the family often. She was 7 years old at the time of the coup...

It was IBERIA that I wrote, not Inelia. But thanks anyhow. I could tell you stories about Kissinger and the like at the time. I got those from many sources.

[Sierra]

And the 200 missing children Rocky?

SPILL! (pretty please ...)

Sierra

[Rocky_Shorz]

That's a whole nuther story... but I promise...

[Rocky_Shorz]

It was IBERIA that I wrote, not Inelia. But thanks anyhow. I could tell you stories about Kissinger and the like at the time. I got those from many sources.


sorry I was answering you from link (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?23322-Focusing-The-Transformational-Lens&p=250087&viewfull=1#post250087)

Well if you have anything to share, this would be a great place to do it. How much more trouble could we get in... ;)

[Rocky_Shorz]

woke this morning to find someone blocking all my email accounts...

guess I hit a nerve, should I ask if they have a search warrant?

do they actually think I talk to God through emails? lol

[ulli]

The innocent victims of Chile will get justice

And no more bloodshed....
Not even computer hackings

[Rocky_Shorz]

America, One Nation Under God...

we stand for Truth and Justice, not only for those on our shores...

[Hervé]

The followings are a few visions/prophecies and warnings; these were the ones which first got me started on looking behind curtains, way back when "Internet" was yet to be invented.

These words were written (in French) in 1935, by someone everyone has heard of, and are related to this thread in a very close parallel:




The Son of the Beast let the wild beasts loose. And Europe collapses like a statue of mud. The sea kills under water and the sky spits fire. And where boots and nails arrive, the sons of Israel meet torment. Sheepyards for their pains and subtle death. The headsmen know, they will lie at Nuremberg.

Always look for the headsmen, even when you think they are dead. Look for them everywhere where power uses terror. Look for them in the house of the one whose wealth came from the war. Not for revenge, but to prevent they and their children invade the world once again by disguising the word and the chief. The Son of the Beast holds the great weapon in his heart.

Fights in the mountains, red and white, climb down the flowers. Europe, those are your best sons, who, one day will be betrayed. Because the heads they thought they fell will lead again, always the same. They will shoot down the money's puppets, not the money's bosses

The Son of the Beast locked in the lair, holding tight to the other's wife. On his death, the mystery. But beware the one who left the lair at the end. He will take long to die and will prepare the world other scourges. He knows the true face of the Beast.

The Son of the Beast, brought forth (manufactured) in one year.

Nuremberg the injust. The killers are absent. Some of them on the judges' bench. This shadow spreads far.

The president will fall, fall his brother will. Between them the cadaver of the innocent star. There are some who know. Ask the first black widow and the man who will lead her on the island to the altar. (Jackie Kennedy became Onassis on "Scorpio island"...). Their secrets lie in weapons, in crimes. And those are the secrets of the one who wasn't at Nuremberg.

Three will shoot on the president; the third one will be among the three who will strike on the second.

Time has nurtured a troubled spirit, in the shadow of the black and red cross, unknown to everyone, daughter of the Nuremberg fugitives. She weaved crime against herself. Some give up on life for evil's love.

Israel who fights and suffers, no less than who attacks you and who doesn't know how to share your pain. You are brothers, someone prods you to fight while remaining hidden. Here the world destiny is decided. And in the palace where nations hug, the fugitive from the lair is very much alive. (Kurt Waldheim, former UN president was discovered to be a former active Nazi). From the palace, hate towards Israel. And this will be a sign of ruin.

From the South against Luther* and the heirs of Nuremberg, those who were missing, those who were sitting on the judges' seats. The one who was the slave colony of salt and copper imposes her people's will.

Only today ends Nuremberg. But beware the face which smiles and comes from the South, more south than all of them. His heart was always north, he came back to take it back with his black brothers. There is still fear, but in peace all the men from high and low Luther will look for someone. And the day a woman will pledge on the renovated bible will be day of peace.

Prophecies, Angelo Roncalli in 1935.

* (America; the sons of Luther are the Americans in Roncalli's speech, from the Protestants who came to America to escape religious persecutions; as well, the French are the "Sons of Jeanne [d'Arc]")



That Angelo Roncalli guy... well, he is the one who, after WWII, became Pope John XXIII.

Excerpts from "Les prophéties du pape Jean XXIII," Pier Carpi, Ed "Jai Lu." Translation: bibi.

[Rocky_Shorz]

as in Lutheran, which I am, on the Southern most point in California, I tell everyone how I loved growing up in Minnesota...

and I like Obama, go figure... ;)

[Hervé]

... weird because then I would be the son of a "pucelle." :sarcastic:

So's got to be that spitritual line you were talking about... :yo:

[Hervé]

as in Lutheran, which I am, on the Southern most point in California, I tell everyone how I loved growing up in Minnesota...

and I like Obama, go figure... ;)

Sure no one Souther than you?


ETA:
Like a certain San Miguel?

[Rocky_Shorz]

not that matters, just a bunch of oilmen and retired bankers... ;)


looking back for info on Jeanne of Arc, but you are right, he is the one that could break their backs with info he has given me shared in this thread...


who would she be, Sarah Palin? ;)

[Hervé]

Sorry Rocky, edited my post while you were replying... thanks for the laugh!

[Hervé]

who would she be, Sarah Palin? ;)

Hard to type on my keyboard while ROFL!

[Rocky_Shorz]

So the 100 years since the Fed Reserve began...


They will shoot down the money's puppets, not the money's bosses...

Picks up Sarah Palin's Rifle and looks through the site...

she might be the woman for the job... by golly



so the Queen needs to sign off for peace to begin?


Pulls out the pen...

[Hervé]

Possible.

However that wouldn't fit
[...]but in peace all the men from high and low Luther will look for someone. as my understanding is that one doesn't look for someone that's already there like la Clinton or la Pallin.

However, never give up in "cherchez la femme!"

... as compared to "follow the money."

That would be some French twist to the story...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Previous mineral exploration within the Chile Norte region has mainly involved prospecting for copper and uranium (Bobenreith, 1982). In addition, two salt mines are currently operating on the lake surface. Essex Minerals Company Chile, 1978-1980, detected uranium via airborne radiometry and prospecting along the south-eastern and western edges of Chile Norte. Uranium occurrences comprise carnotite mineralisation impregnated in the salt crusts of the Salar, largely coincident with the trace of the Salar Grande fault system... link... (http://www.hotchili.net.au/projects/chile-norte/exploration-to-date/)

you don't think they knew who he was and had him killed on purpose do you?

[Hervé]

Yeah... my thoughts exactly... are you a mind... of course you are!

Indeed, I wondered whether the country Angelo was talking about was Polland or else one in South America.

So, bingo! South America! Good for you and good for San Miguel!

Thank you both for your research and work!

[Rocky_Shorz]

I was walking down the beach yesterday and kept hearing "you are forgiven, bless you..." first sunny weekend of Summer and it was packed... "you are forgiven, bless you..." now after 30-40 minutes, it can ruin the serenity of teh beach so I finally said, stop talking so loud, he said, sorry I was just thinking, I said think quieter... "you are forgiven, bless you...", "you are forgiven, bless you..."... much quieter but I can still hear you... ok sorry... "you are forgiven, bless you...", I was walking along and looked over at a few ladies and heard Wow... YOU ARE FORGIVEN, BLESS YOU... he busted out laughing until I said, that wasn't me...

I'm never bored on beach walks... ;)

[Hervé]

[...]
looking back for info on Jeanne of Arc, [...]

One of the best and little known historical research on Joan of Arc was published by a very obscure author, a certain Samuel Clemens also known under a fathomed river bed depth pen name... ever heard of him and his "Joan of Arc" book?

[Rocky_Shorz]

is Joan and Jeanne the same?

[Rocky_Shorz]

The followings are a few visions/prophecies and warnings; these were the ones which first got me started on looking behind curtains, way back when "Internet" was yet to be invented.

These words were written (in French) in 1935, by someone everyone has heard of, and are related to this thread in a very close parallel:




The Son of the Beast let the wild beasts loose. And Europe collapses like a statue of mud. The sea kills under water and the sky spits fire. And where boots and nails arrive, the sons of Israel meet torment. Sheepyards for their pains and subtle death. The headsmen know, they will lie at Nuremberg.

Always look for the headsmen, even when you think they are dead. Look for them everywhere where power uses terror. Look for them in the house of the one whose wealth came from the war. Not for revenge, but to prevent they and their children invade the world once again by disguising the word and the chief. The Son of the Beast holds the great weapon in his heart.

Fights in the mountains, red and white, climb down the flowers. Europe, those are your best sons, who, one day will be betrayed. Because the heads they thought they fell will lead again, always the same. They will shoot down the money's puppets, not the money's bosses

The Son of the Beast locked in the lair, holding tight to the other's wife. On his death, the mystery. But beware the one who left the lair at the end. He will take long to die and will prepare the world other scourges. He knows the true face of the Beast.

The Son of the Beast, brought forth (manufactured) in one year.

Nuremberg the injust. The killers are absent. Some of them on the judges' bench. This shadow spreads far.

The president will fall, fall his brother will. Between them the cadaver of the innocent star. There are some who know. Ask the first black widow and the man who will lead her on the island to the altar. (Jackie Kennedy became Onassis on "Scorpio island"...). Their secrets lie in weapons, in crimes. And those are the secrets of the one who wasn't at Nuremberg.

Three will shoot on the president; the third one will be among the three who will strike on the second.

Time has nurtured a troubled spirit, in the shadow of the black and red cross, unknown to everyone, daughter of the Nuremberg fugitives. She weaved crime against herself. Some give up on life for evil's love.

Israel who fights and suffers, no less than who attacks you and who doesn't know how to share your pain. You are brothers, someone prods you to fight while remaining hidden. Here the world destiny is decided. And in the palace where nations hug, the fugitive from the lair is very much alive. (Kurt Waldheim, former UN president was discovered to be a former active Nazi). From the palace, hate towards Israel. And this will be a sign of ruin.

From the South against Luther* and the heirs of Nuremberg, those who were missing, those who were sitting on the judges' seats. The one who was the slave colony of salt and copper imposes her people's will.

Only today ends Nuremberg. But beware the face which smiles and comes from the South, more south than all of them. His heart was always north, he came back to take it back with his black brothers. There is still fear, but in peace all the men from high and low Luther will look for someone. And the day a woman will pledge on the renovated bible will be day of peace.

Prophecies, Angelo Roncalli in 1935.

* (America; the sons of Luther are the Americans in Roncalli's speech, from the Protestants who came to America to escape religious persecutions; as well, the French are the "Sons of Jeanne [d'Arc]")



That Angelo Roncalli guy... well, he is the one who, after WWII, became Pope John XXIII.

Excerpts from "Les prophéties du pape Jean XXIII," Pier Carpi, Ed "Jai Lu." Translation: bibi.


in a way it all fits with what we have gone through, PTB sent Atticus to destroy us...

"He will take long to die and will prepare the world other scourges. He knows the true face of the Beast." and he showed with a 5000 year old Master?


The Son of the Beast, brought forth (manufactured) in one year.

was this their intent, to make "King Arthur" into the Son of the Beast?

[Hervé]

is Joan and Jeanne the same?

Jeanne is the French name, feminine form of Jean. Joan is the English translation from those days. Jean translates into John nowadays.

[Hervé]

[...]Look for them everywhere where power uses terror. Look for them in the house of the one whose wealth came from the war. Not for revenge, but to prevent they and their children invade the world once again by disguising the word and the chief.
[...]


in a way it all fits with what we have gone through, PTB sent Atticus to destroy us...

"He will take long to die and will prepare the world other scourges. He knows the true face of the Beast." and he showed with a 5000 year old Master?


The Son of the Beast, brought forth (manufactured) in one year.

was this their intent, to make "King Arthur" into the Son of the Beast?

It's always the same Modus Operandi... create chaos and no other way out than to agree with their solution... the final solution.

So, yes, I would think the intention was to shape "King Arthur" into a malleable outfit.

[Rocky_Shorz]

bet they didn't expect KD to smack them back into reality... ;)

[Hervé]

... lost me there... KD?

[Rocky_Shorz]

Kool Dude... ;)

[thunder24]

The Christ spirit in man has always been persecuted, and that is what happened to the Saint Miguel Ibarri also. The powers of man that lie dormant must be found and awakened, so that all can stand in wisdom and power to combat the ptb. Man must come together. Any updates from the Saint Rocky?

Can you explain the spiritual tree more, please and thankyou

peace

[Rocky_Shorz]

sure, a family tree we all understand, but a Spritual tree is much different, imagine when a child is born a small piece of spirit from each parent passes to the offspring.

a Sprirtual tree connects as more bloodlines come together each becoming a part of the whole tree, their family tree in both directions present and future becoming part of the Spiritual Tree.

11,500 years ago, Spirituality began (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?22804-Biblical-Archaeology&p=253211&viewfull=1#post253211), a time when man knew if a child is hungry, feed them. Peace wasn't a question, it just was...

UR vs RU

I am vs am I?

the questions began with religions...

JeRUsalem = RU Peace?

how did this become a question?

[ulli]

just think what it did for humanity's spirituality that any little boy that felt a calling from spirit to enter the priesthood was then told he had to be celibate and couldn't pass on his genes to posterity.

This alone drained the spiritual gene pool over the centuries and millenia.

[thunder24]

sure, a family tree we all understand, but a Spritual tree is much different, imagine when a child is born a small piece of spirit from each parent passes to the offspring.

a Sprirtual tree connects as more bloodlines come together each becoming a part of the whole tree, their family tree in both directions present and future becoming part of the Spiritual Tree.

I am vs am I?

the questions began with religions...

JeRUsalem = RU Peace?

how did this become a question?

Thankyou for elaborateing about the spiritual tree.

I am also glad to see your statement "the questions started with religions". So then were the truths hidden 11,499 years ago, for reasons of control? To keep masses in fear of a mystery God?

peace

[Rocky_Shorz]

for 6000+ years the truths were known, the Garden of Eden seems to be when questions were first asked...

[Rocky_Shorz]

just think what it did for humanity's spirituality that any little boy that felt a calling from spirit to enter the priesthood was then told he had to be celibate and couldn't pass on his genes to posterity.

This alone drained the spiritual gene pool over the centuries and millenia.

it ended the Family line for him, but not his sisters, which would continue the Spritual tree forward...

only the last names were ended...

[thunder24]

so are we talking 17500 years ago truth was known? What was Earth like prior to Garden,I mean is this to be considered a seeding of ignorant man or did he start asking questions cause his mind was learning? And do we assume Noah's ark was the only one?
This must have been from creator aliens or a whole different or new breed of slaves were produced.
I ask this to find a root cause of the delusion or awakening.

Tell the Saint hello, well never mind I just did I guess.:cool:
peace

[Rocky_Shorz]

He is back in Santiago, he has the answers he was searching for, and answered many of mine.

Prior to the Spirituality Center 11,500 years ago, everyone was hunter gatherers, survivors of the Ice age a time before the Floods...

was there an advanced civilization before the ice age? no evidence or memories remain.


and as for how many Arks were built and sailed scattered by the winds to all corners of the earth?

only one seems to be recorded...

[thunder24]

Prior to the Spirituality Center 11,500 years ago, everyone was hunter gatherers, survivors of the Ice age a time before the Floods...

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That is only another confirmation for me then, I always say the native americans and other hunter gatherer types had it closer to the truth than the rest out here. If truth was known prior to the spiritual G.T. site and these people were hunter gatherers than maybe we should look under our noses for some answers(speaking to self). We may look at their methods as primative, and lack luxury, but what peace they had and closeness with nature, earth, and creation outways all our commerce, and commercial nothingnesses.

thanks for the answers.

peace

[thunder24]

Well questions about the Ark, cause I have heard of records of the flood all over the world and didn't know if there were different arks. I doubt they took that info and just dissementated across the globe. In my opinion people were there to witness and record it in these various places, thus, would seem the whole biblical one ark would be focussing all the attention on one bloodline or race, if you see what I'm saying. And if these other records were made by witnesses in those native lands, then what truths were passed down to them, I here of Gods but then in other places you here of A Great Spirit.

peace

[Rocky_Shorz]

the world has moved forward, so either 6.5 Billion need to go away, or we need to come up with a way to find peace for all 7 billion of us...

[thunder24]

Agreed.

That WE is enourmous. I think its possible to wake up tomarrow and it all be better and different. I don't see it as being probable. Some of the We have answers to have PEACE across the globe, the rest of the WE either don't have a clue their is a problem or are the ones that do not want the Peace. It is always darkest before the light, but the mass killings and poisonings must stop.

I am not for physical violence, but do you allow a bully to keep punching you in the face and kicking you in the nuts ( well I can understand if the guys can't defend after that one) but seriously...education is a great thing, but Humans are going to have to say enough is enough. I think some of what is going on with the uprisings in the rest of the globe is fueled by this "haveing" enough of the current system, but as we have seen here in america and other countries, All it takes is some paid goons with their faces covered to start throwing things, burning and breaking, to cause the police to retaliate on peaceful demonstrations and all hell break loose.

It takes all kinds but enough is enough.

peace

[king anthony]

America, One Nation Under God...

we stand for Truth and Justice, not only for those on our shores...

I say, which “God” (species and/or individual within) may this be!? How can anything founded on deception, greed, destruction and such make claim for truth, while “justice” only serving “the few” and “their” corporate interests – and imposed it on another??

[Patrikas]

The Two Worlds (Spiritual & Physical) have not known Liberty in their existence

They have crouched in despair of Abuse – Let Freedom ring the New Bell of glory

[Darla Ken Pearce]

Rocky, this is a very sad page in history that hasn't been called to account yet. This year we will be seeing trials and justice done to the likes of Henry Kissinger and all the others. I am having trouble following how any of this matters now? The 18 whatever they are ~ are gone as is Charles. There are oceans and endless lists of the innocent dead in every country and time period of the world.

Very soon, I believe many will finally be held accountable. By beating these dead saints, I am wondering if it doesn't perpetuate darkness and keep fueling it with fear; fear that there is no justice; fear that Saints can only be murdered and so forth. Why do this? It's dark and doesn't add anything of the light to Avalon.

You usually contribute very interesting things. This is filled with sadness and darkness. As the killing fields continue in Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Japan, and elsewhere ~ so what makes this particular Saint stand out from all the rest?

I don't say this in disrespect for a wonderful being who did wonders among his own people but I fail to see Bill in this scenario. I cannot connect the dots here or follow this train of thought and I am also wondering why you are tuning into the death of 200 children instead of living in the present moment?

We are changing timelines, getting out of linear time, and each of us needs to stay tuned into this moment, this day, this hour, and this minute or we might not make the right shift in timelines necessary. When we get so far away and engrossed in the past, it's difficult to get back to the present moment from there. I'd hate to see this happen to you any further. And so, I'd like to call you back to the present moment now. We can easily do things like this for each other and I'd like to do this for you. Rocky come back! And so it is. Much love! xoxoxox

[Lord Sidious]

When you guys speak of the 18, remember this, you only know what you are told.
I was in the 18 and never heard anything of this, yet you speak as if we are all evil or something.
We speak of not generalising, yet here you are, doing it.
To be honest with you all, I resent the fact that my membership of the 18 somehow incriminates me by association.
I don't have a criminal record, civil or military, yet I am already condemned by many here due to my membership.
I see many, many opinions on the 18, Stephen/Charles/Atticus and other bits too here by people who are only guessing.
My guess is that some need the drama and/or like to see their own words.
If we truly want to gain wisdom, we should worry more about our own limitations than half the crap passing for ''debate'' on these type of threads.
I know all of the original 18 and count most of them as friends.
I also believe they are mostly good people as well.

[modwiz]

Welcome back Lord Sid. As Frank Zappa sang, "The Torture Never Stops".

It's like being one of the X-Men. The non mutants want your hide for all of the evil things you never did but might have thought of, maybe but, probably didn't. lol.

Nice straight lines of thinking here.

[Darla Ken Pearce]

Hey, Lord Sid! Welcome back! With all due respect, I came to Avalon knowing nothing of the 18 and now having waded through over 1,867+ comments, I still know nothing. Do not take offense so easily. We love you and we've all moved on ~ from what? I'm not sure yet but we are not looking back, we have entered a time warp where days and weeks are flying by without flags or even speed bumps to hang our jackets on and with things speeding up so fast, they are a blur now. Do not turn your head, do not pass go, steady as she goes now......Onward and upward. Forward now. Steady. We can do this! We can do this! We can do this! :roll: Much love! xoxoxoxoxo

[ThePythonicCow]

We speak of not generalising, yet here you are, doing it. To be honest with you all, I resent the fact that my membership of the 18 somehow incriminates me by association.
We need to distinguish between our opinion of a group, and of those who are or might have been members.

We might, in my view, criticize some action we think a group took or participated in, without incriminating all who were or are alleged to be members of that group.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Lord Sid you've always been a part of Avalon since you joined, that has never been a question for any of us.

Darla, you finally meet a real communicator and question the messages? lol funny to say that is a first. Sorry I didn't have the beautiful words of the ones you bring to us, delivered in a message. But communication come and when you are online you don't have the time to be expanding meaning, it is just on to the next.

remember when we were under psychic attack, so was Gaddafi, and he killed 700 peaceful protestors and woke up in a war.

all of this has meaning if you are looking for it.

I'm excited about meeting a Saint, because it is a first for me and was through Inelia I met him. For Lord Sid to say he knew nothing of the Woodward report, means he wasn't part of the attack on Avalon, and good thing or he would have whipped out his light saber and started lopping off heads... lol

[Rocky_Shorz]

Now when Atticus first started, he said he was planning on taking down the monster Elites controlling this planet...

Inelia shows with Woodward who to me unlocked a battle against the Elites, by giving us the final nail...

the false flag attack didn't happen in Germany on the 26th

so in a strange sort of way, we are continuing what he set in motion through us...

[Rocky_Shorz]

and Darla, I'm not picking on you, there are many messengers delivering love and light...

and then there are the messengers that have rolled up their sleeves to get down to answers that will bring changes.

It's my Viking Blood that has no fear of anyone or thing, and the peaceful side of my family that gives me protection...

God gave up on using Holy Men as messengers, too afraid of bringing forward truths that go against their beliefs...

[Rocky_Shorz]

The followings are a few visions/prophecies and warnings; these were the ones which first got me started on looking behind curtains, way back when "Internet" was yet to be invented.

These words were written (in French) in 1935, by someone everyone has heard of, and are related to this thread in a very close parallel:




The Son of the Beast let the wild beasts loose. And Europe collapses like a statue of mud. The sea kills under water and the sky spits fire. And where boots and nails arrive, the sons of Israel meet torment. Sheepyards for their pains and subtle death. The headsmen know, they will lie at Nuremberg.

Always look for the headsmen, even when you think they are dead. Look for them everywhere where power uses terror. Look for them in the house of the one whose wealth came from the war. Not for revenge, but to prevent they and their children invade the world once again by disguising the word and the chief. The Son of the Beast holds the great weapon in his heart.

Fights in the mountains, red and white, climb down the flowers. Europe, those are your best sons, who, one day will be betrayed. Because the heads they thought they fell will lead again, always the same. They will shoot down the money's puppets, not the money's bosses

The Son of the Beast locked in the lair, holding tight to the other's wife. On his death, the mystery. But beware the one who left the lair at the end. He will take long to die and will prepare the world other scourges. He knows the true face of the Beast.

The Son of the Beast, brought forth (manufactured) in one year.

Nuremberg the injust. The killers are absent. Some of them on the judges' bench. This shadow spreads far.

The president will fall, fall his brother will. Between them the cadaver of the innocent star. There are some who know. Ask the first black widow and the man who will lead her on the island to the altar. (Jackie Kennedy became Onassis on "Scorpio island"...). Their secrets lie in weapons, in crimes. And those are the secrets of the one who wasn't at Nuremberg.

Three will shoot on the president; the third one will be among the three who will strike on the second.

Time has nurtured a troubled spirit, in the shadow of the black and red cross, unknown to everyone, daughter of the Nuremberg fugitives. She weaved crime against herself. Some give up on life for evil's love.

Israel who fights and suffers, no less than who attacks you and who doesn't know how to share your pain. You are brothers, someone prods you to fight while remaining hidden. Here the world destiny is decided. And in the palace where nations hug, the fugitive from the lair is very much alive. (Kurt Waldheim, former UN president was discovered to be a former active Nazi). From the palace, hate towards Israel. And this will be a sign of ruin.

From the South against Luther* and the heirs of Nuremberg, those who were missing, those who were sitting on the judges' seats. The one who was the slave colony of salt and copper imposes her people's will.

Only today ends Nuremberg. But beware the face which smiles and comes from the South, more south than all of them. His heart was always north, he came back to take it back with his black brothers. There is still fear, but in peace all the men from high and low Luther will look for someone. And the day a woman will pledge on the renovated bible will be day of peace.

Prophecies, Angelo Roncalli in 1935.

* (America; the sons of Luther are the Americans in Roncalli's speech, from the Protestants who came to America to escape religious persecutions; as well, the French are the "Sons of Jeanne [d'Arc]")



That Angelo Roncalli guy... well, he is the one who, after WWII, became Pope John XXIII.

Excerpts from "Les prophéties du pape Jean XXIII," Pier Carpi, Ed "Jai Lu." Translation: bibi.

wow and now this one...

http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m504/mcaballero1977/2djw3go.jpg

[Rocky_Shorz]

seeing Chile's quakes started me thinking of Woodward, 2 huge quakes with very little damage or casualties...

the Prophesy has a different meaning now than it did 3 years ago...