UFOs visit us

[Gaia]

This video shows a massive UFO fleet above some houses. We think this is in spain, it would be highly appreciated if anyone can confirm this. It could be lanterns too. What do you think ?

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Pulsating orb captured over Indiana.

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Source: Mufon

[DNA]

Gaia no offense, but did you even look at that first video?
There is no way that is real. A mothership floating above a cathedral in Spain would have caused a bit of an uproar I think.

I heard a contactee mutter a bit of information in connection to UFO pictures.
The more clear the picture the more likely a hoax. The reason is that UFO's are surrounded by a propulsion field when they travel that obscures vision, even in the best of circumstances.

[Gaia]

Gaia no offense, but did you even look at that first video?
There is no way that is real. A mothership floating above a cathedral in Spain would have caused a bit of an uproar I think.

I heard a contactee mutter a bit of information in connection to UFO pictures.
The more clear the picture the more likely a hoax. The reason is that UFO's are surrounded by a propulsion field when they travel that obscures vision, even in the best of circumstances.

Like I said in my introduction... Could be lanterns too;)

The word pragmatic has always reminded me of the most boring non-risk taking people I have ever known and not known.

Regards

Gaia

[Ilie Pandia]

That is mother-ship from the movie "V" (visitors). The footage is not real :)

[The One]

I think Gaia knows that first video isn’t real

It’s just been put in whilst the news channel are speaking to witness at to what really happened. I reconstruction

Now the second video is brilliant i have seen that footage before with the astronaughts and a woman filmed something similar many years ago in wales uk and sold it to a channel in the usa

[cellardoor]

I think Gaia knows that first video isn’t real

It’s just been put in whilst the news channel are speaking to witness at to what really happened. I reconstruction

Now the second video is brilliant i have seen that footage before with the astronaughts and a woman filmed something similar many years ago in wales uk and sold it to a channel in the usa

WALES! WALES! sorry we don't offten get a mention:o. Its a real UFO hot spot. and beautiful country. Love it here!

[Setras]

Wales. Wales i agree. Just park the car near Haverford West for a night and watch the skies...... chances are the vehicles parked next to you whlst watching is a saucer

[Gaia]

I think Gaia knows that first video isn’t real

It’s just been put in whilst the news channel are speaking to witness at to what really happened. I reconstruction

Now the second video is brilliant i have seen that footage before with the astronaughts and a woman filmed something similar many years ago in wales uk and sold it to a channel in the usa

I agree with you !

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That is mother-ship from the movie "V" (visitors). The footage is not real :)

Just wondering if anyone has ever made a Studio Scale version of the V Visitors Mothership...:p

[The One]

this below are very familiar

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[Maia Gabrial]

The giveaway is in how the people are acting. Come on! They'd be more motivated than that! And where are all the people? The place should be packed with onlookers....

[Gaia]

this below are very familiar

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For those of you calling these photos fake, hoax, not real... Do your homework first !! Those video, in my opinion, is the closest anyone has ever come to recording an extraterrestrial entity, aside from those captured by NASA (Which show the same ufo) Take a look at the ISS in orbit, due to the brightness of light in space and the way it overpowers the light sensors of cameras designed for terrestial use, it too looks like these photos. They could easily be real.

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Merci The One:)

[Gaia]

The giveaway is in how the people are acting. Come on! They'd be more motivated than that! And where are all the people? The place should be packed with onlookers....

I remember during Perestroika, the press was jam-packed with stories of real alien sightings, ghosts, vampires and every other thing that sci-fi books tell us about. Needless to say, 99% of this stuff was pure nonsense.Then, after a couple of years, another "Wave" hit the press this time, it was solid scientists who disproved the entire thing, their main argument being "This cannot be because this just cannot be at all" But how can they be so sure ? Let's face it !

We can't be alone in the Universe !

Kindest regards.

Gaia

[Etherios]

The giveaway is in how the people are acting. Come on! They'd be more motivated than that! And where are all the people? The place should be packed with onlookers....

I remember during Perestroika, the press was jam-packed with stories of real alien sightings, ghosts, vampires and every other thing that sci-fi books tell us about. Needless to say, 99% of this stuff was pure nonsense.Then, after a couple of years, another "Wave" hit the press this time, it was solid scientists who disproved the entire thing, their main argument being "This cannot be because this just cannot be at all" But how can they be so sure ? Let's face it !

We can't be alone in the Universe !

Kindest regards.

Gaia

I thought we had passed this question ... if someone here really thinks we are alone in the universe then i am sorry for him. All we ask for now is details... i dont even think we need proof.

[Gaia]

All we ask for now is details...

That life could be as smart as a carrot or as dumb as the local village idiot. We simply don't know, for now.:p

But seriously... You would be hard pressed to find anyone who does not think there is life in the universe...Although rightfully so many people would have an issue with you somehow equating that to earth being visited by aliens. I think the universe is packed with simple life, complex life being very rare and intelligent complex life even rarer...Thankfully the size of the universe is on our side in the sense that very rare still means a lot in the grand scheme of things...

[DNA]

Gaia no offense, but did you even look at that first video?
There is no way that is real. A mothership floating above a cathedral in Spain would have caused a bit of an uproar I think.

I heard a contactee mutter a bit of information in connection to UFO pictures.
The more clear the picture the more likely a hoax. The reason is that UFO's are surrounded by a propulsion field when they travel that obscures vision, even in the best of circumstances.

Like I said in my introduction... Could be lanterns too;)

The word pragmatic has always reminded me of the most boring non-risk taking people I have ever known and not known.

Regards

Gaia

If valuing my time and the time of others is considered pragmatic, then guilty as charged.
My accusation isn't that you were stupid enough to believe the first video was real, it was that you didn't even bother to watch it before you posted it.
A trend I've noticed among certain post happy individuals here.

[Gaia]

Excellent post ! Thanks for your tips I'll be sure to use from now on :p

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Wow. Well I'm very happy to be here. I'm looking forward very much so to learning, reading and interacting with everyone.

I would like to take a moment and reply to a part of Bill's message.


My personal opinion, which is fairly well-informed, is that many channeled messages offer many nice words and plenty of saccharine hope - but little of substance and in all probability (I'm afraid) little that is real.
There are deep, dark games played here, and there is much deliberate deception both on the physical (electromagnetic) and astral levels. We encourage intelligent inquiry - and discourage proselytizing and anything that smacks of promoting belief systems of any kind.


I absolutely agree with this.

I have often had questions in this regard. And I can't wait to discuss and trolling everywhere... And Blah ! Blah !
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7225-Welcome-to-Avalon-/page91

Bump for a answer ?

[mevlana]

I thought this forum is a serious one. maybe it is, but attendees are not . they like jokes more then facts .

[The One]

I thought this forum is a serious one. maybe it is, but attendees are not . they like jokes more then facts .


Correct and thats all i am going to say on the matter tick tack

[loveandgratitude]

I thought this forum is a serious one. maybe it is, but attendees are not . they like jokes more then facts .

NOW THATS FUNNY.

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[Carmen]

Gaia, the first video on post 11 looks like an orb. Fascinating!! I've been taking orb pictures around my property for quite some time now and they are really fascinating. They come in all different colours. I mostly take them from my verander out into the black night. I live in the country so there are no street lights or lights of any sort. They come in all sizes and many colours. Some of them have tails like they are travelling. They especially like the mist (and they not drops of mist or rain). They seem to like parties and happy gatherings of people. Two photos I have are of multi coloured plasma, taken into a black sky!! I may go out and take photos of many orbs, then take another one and there is nothing!!

My friend Madeline is a dance teacher and her mother was a renowned dance teacher also. Madeline often feels her mother (who passed away some years back) with her when she is teaching. She got her partner to photograph her teaching the students at the local high school for their school formal. The photo revealed a huge green orb directly behind Madeline as she stood on the stage teaching!! Also many of the students had orbs near them or on them!

Sorry if this is way off topic!!!!

[Carmen]

I think some of the orbs are space beings observing us, also they are what we look like out of body. So, they are also friends and relatives who have passed over.

When I can get my friend to show me how, I will post some of my orb pictures.

[Dougall]

I think we filter out many things in everyday life.
In other words, you may look at a ufo and not be able to see it.
Same may go for the spirit world, staggered timelines?

As far as the vids, the first is an obvious hoax and the second looks like RailRoad crossing.
Although, on the flip side of the mind filtering or blocking, it can also produce false evidence, I think to some folks these vids represent something very real.

[The One]

I think to some folks these vids represent something very real.

Can i just point out that 98% of ufo sightings can be explained its the 2% that cant.You will get some people who think that everything that moves in the sky is a ufo (not me) i tend to do my research first.

That second video is well known through the ufo community checkout this link http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ufos-aliens.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk%2Fukufo.htm&ei=SdUGTraMK8rAhAeQn5TcDQ&usg=AFQjCNEfT8LyHAWUADRQQGcEz5nlXIijyA to me its very real and cant just be brushed off as an hoax or fake

Also check this link out on the above topic in relation to ufo's it might interest you http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&sqi=2&ved=0CDAQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hyper.net%2Fufo%2Fvideo-documentaries.html&ei=vNcGTqmvG8TKhAeU-5C5DQ&usg=AFQjCNEviwGecePjpzJcsM_sGVhEaq1tdQ

Can i also point out that some of these events are 100% very real indeed my friend and are not just an illusion of ones imagination.

[Dougall]

I don't doubt it - The One- or else I probably wouldn't be on this site.

I don't think about UFOs too much because it scares me, and for various reasons.
For one thing, people who see this type of craft tend to fill in the blanks with all sorts of info gleaned from dubious sources.
They also by and large suffer behind the new first hand knowledge combined with patchwork belief system.
Not to say first hand experience should be ignored, but it is in (most?) cases blocked in order to protect the mind.

Isn't it true that repressed memories emerge later on? Sometimes years after the contact?
These memories return mixed in with dreams, yes?

I don't think Im an expert, just trying to make small talk.
Let me say that I believe it to a point, and that point adjusts according to my mood.

For me, UFOs, Bigfoot, and other things im interested in fall in the 'Too dirty to report column'
You can't really report it but various people and agencies are well aware of it.

Here's kinda an overview of my perception;
Say an aircraft from another world or time crashes in NewMexico.
It could be dangerous, not sure what it is, someone in uniform has to investigate and make it safe.
Inter the Army- from my viewpoint, the Army runs the world, and I trust them to do so.
That puts me on the wrong side of many on this site but thats cool.

The Army Gets.
Sure, the Army doesn't tell anything because they dont want anyone to know anything.
However they don't plan for this stuff they just have to deal with it. They are not in the Info dispensing business.
I think it sort of evolved this way, I mean sightings have been recorded for thousands of years.

I think UFO facts may be repressed because we (the human population of Earth) demand it be erased.
Hey- as long as the TVs on and potable water comes out of the faucet, its all good, yeah?

[Gaia]

I thought this forum is a serious one. maybe it is, but attendees are not . they like jokes more then facts .

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[Gaia]

I think to some folks these vids represent something very real.

Can i just point out that 98% of ufo sightings can be explained its the 2% that cant.You will get some people who think that everything that moves in the sky is a ufo (not me) i tend to do my research first.

That second video is well known through the ufo community checkout this link http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ufos-aliens.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk%2Fukufo.htm&ei=SdUGTraMK8rAhAeQn5TcDQ&usg=AFQjCNEfT8LyHAWUADRQQGcEz5nlXIijyA to me its very real and cant just be brushed off as an hoax or fake

Also check this link out on the above topic in relation to ufo's it might interest you http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&sqi=2&ved=0CDAQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hyper.net%2Fufo%2Fvideo-documentaries.html&ei=vNcGTqmvG8TKhAeU-5C5DQ&usg=AFQjCNEviwGecePjpzJcsM_sGVhEaq1tdQ

Can i also point out that some of these events are 100% very real indeed my friend and are not just an illusion of ones imagination.

Well I think it was sort of covered with the "Fraction of people who misinterpret a physical or physiological experience as a sighting" It's just a funny comic though, but to me that phrase is the heart of the matter.

I think that a great number of people are grossly incompetent at identifying stuff that they see in the sky. Either because our sight is not very keen, or because the general population's average knowledge of physical phenomena is somewhat lacking, while their fascination with the unknown is considerable. Even with trained pilots, professionals, etc Who catch a glimpse of something that they fail to identify, it would be an enormous leap, indeed, a truly monumental non-sequitur, to assume that something unidentifiable equals something alien in origin. We don't even know what an alien spacecraft might look like, so it is not sensible to make a match with something that currently only resides in our imagination.

The only thing that "Unidentifiable" tells us, is that the witness failed to identify something (However stupid that may sound) Either because they didn't gather enough coherent sensory data to make a match, or because their lack of knowledge prevented the witness from relating the data with previous experience, or because the witness flawed sensory organs made their brain reach erroneous conclusions. My grandma probably can't identify an iPhone, or comprehend its purpose or origin. If she found one abandoned in the desert though, it would be wrong for her to assume it was alien.

Imho there are countless, and much more plausible explanations that should be exhausted before it even becomes logical to suggest that it was an alien craft.

[loveandgratitude]

Once I saw the most amazing thing, I was with a friend and they saw it too.

I was living in Delhi. It was a hot summers night and it was usual to sleep out on the terrace. That afternoon we experienced the usual dust storms that made the sky barely visable. Then came the most incredible thunder storm that cleared up the sky so we could enjoy the beautiful night sky.

As we were lying there on the mattress looking up at the twinkling stars and we noticed a huge sort of mist like transparent/translucent ball of energy twirling in the sky. It was huge, and had a cigar shape. It was taking up half the nights sky. It was being propelled across the sky with this energy of coloured lights. It was a controlled energy of some sort.

Then it changed its formation from a cigar shape to a V shape then back to a cigar shape. It stayed in the night sky for at least 20 minutes, just twirling and whirling all these different colours. It was the most beautiful thing i have ever seen.

i asked some Indian people about it and they said that it must have been celestial spirits. Whatever it was, it was beautiful.

I found this photograph that is similiar to what I saw.

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[Gaia]

This happened in August 1979 at the cottage of my parents in the Beauce QC around 23:00. I remember the moon was almost full and low in the sky.

Walking around in this beautiful Saturday night on the path to the meadow, suddenly the sounds of crickets have ceased, we looked up to heaven, and all of a sudden, we saw a UFO, then a second, then a third ! These three objects appeared in three different places of the sky and each had a curved path in three different directions. I remember that when I looked, I had a deep sense of peace...


They were round, two times the size of Venus, and she had the same brightness when she appears at night in summer. There were around these UFOs, like a crown with rays of white light more diffuse than the central light.The first two UFO disappeared at once and the last has shrunk until it disappears completely. I did not sleep until morning. I was terrified, alone, helpless. Who would believe a teen of 13 years ?

[Maia Gabrial]

Hey Gaia!
Even as a child I never accepted the misleading fact that we were the only ones in the universe. Beginning from my childhood, I've have visitations and abductions. I've seen so many different types of crafts, too. For me, I wish the medias would get passed the "Do ufo's and ET's exist?" stage. I'm looking forward to first contact just to see all the skeptics freak out!

[Maia Gabrial]

Hey Gaia,
Isn't it amazing that skepticim is used to justify things? Skepticism is not proof of anything.

[Etherios]

Hey Gaia,
Isn't it amazing that skepticim is used to justify things? Skepticism is not proof of anything.

I agree with you but for the scientists it is... Anything that can help them keep the status quo is proof. I have even heard a electromagnetic scientist tell me " If these are not in the science Archives it doesnt exist" i was what????? then she concluded ... "We have found everything there is in the universe and we just look for ways to make them work better" o.O i was WHHHHATTTT???

If 35 years old scientist like her think science has discovered everything and we just make use of them better ... then humanity is doomed.

[DNA]

Hey Gaia,
Isn't it amazing that skepticim is used to justify things? Skepticism is not proof of anything.

I agree with you but for the scientists it is... Anything that can help them keep the status quo is proof. I have even heard a electromagnetic scientist tell me " If these are not in the science Archives it doesnt exist" i was what????? then she concluded ... "We have found everything there is in the universe and we just look for ways to make them work better" o.O i was WHHHHATTTT???If 35 years old scientist like her think science has discovered everything and we just make use of them better ... then humanity is doomed.



I find this quote from Wendelle Stevens's "UFO CONTACT FROM THE PLIEADIES" to be really helpfull in addressing what your talking about.
It's a letter from an intelligence officer in an alphabet agency to Wendelle Stevens that he included in the book.




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Contact from the Pleiades



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LETTER FROM A SECURITY AGENT:



Wendelle C. Stevens

Lt. Col., USAF (Ret)

Care of:

GENESIS 3 Publishing Inc

P.O. Drawer JJ, Munds Park.AZ 89017

Dear Mr Stevens

A friend of mine, Tom Farr, dropped off a copy of MESSAGE FROM THE PLEIADES. I found it very Interesting. Tom had previously given me another book about Billy Meier, which was also interesting.

The following is information you might find interesting. The American Government did what could be called an extensive soft touch investigation of Billy, when he first attracted public attention to himself, to find out if the contact was in fact for real. The Decision was in his favor. It was extensive investigation, because of the unusual features in Billy´s case.

Billy, as an individual, and a citizen of another country, had an American intelligence gathering organization look him over from ass hole to appetite. He passed the inspection rather well, but has not gone off the deep end, as predicted by the personality profile done on him. It of course goes without saying that he had the intelligence gathering community of his own country look him over.

The American investigation was of the light touch vanity (forfenglighet), meaning use no force, make no scars, and leave no traces of the investigation. Which is to say play tourist, pack a camera, and take a lot of pictures, tell a lot of lies, and ask a lot of questions. Host countries(vertslandets-) intelligence systems get pissed(lei), if they catch you screwing off on their turf. So do not accuse us of any break-ins, and that type of thing, because it happened back in the days when Billy was in fact liberal with what he gave away. Your book indicates that he has up-graded his record keeping since the early days.

In the other book on Billy there was a big deal about the films, and having them tested. In one specific incident the film tested was believed to be a copy, and not the original negative as Billy thought. Sorry about that. The way we got copies of Billy´s pictures was by paying off the man who handled the film processing for Billy. The man simply ordered a second set of pictures for us, and a second copy of the negatives, at an attractive profit, and the man often had copies made for himself. In a couple of cases we took the original copy of the negative, for the type of lab checks that you wanted to make.

We also sent some garbage film through to the same processing company by the same store, under Billy´s name, to keep the boys doing the film processing honest. We did establish that there was a little hankey pankey going on at the processing plant, and/or in the mail some place. Someone else was getting off with the first copy of the negatives most of the time. Several times, according to the experts, our copy of the negative would be about the fifth one.

All intelligence communities are well aware that vast volumes of bull **** comes and goes in the UFO contactee game, as part of turf(dekke) but pictures make strong evidence, which is almost impossible to fake. Because pictures are the quickest way to find who in fact is telling the truth, they often get stolen. Or, why screw around with the bull ****, when the proof is in the film. The Intelligence gathering people are also aware of how to intercept mail, and bribe (bestikke) store owners. When the bribe was set up we did not know how agreeable Billy was going to be about passing out samples.

In the book you touched on one of the most important of all things about UFO´s, and may not have realized the true importance, to the history of UFOs, in what you said.

Page 219; "The visitor anticipated............and they immediately associated them with the Anti-Christ, of Christian literature and wanted nothing more to do with the situation."

The problem that Billy had with Karl Veit of Wiesbaden, is the key to understanding most of the American Government and Western Europe Government´s approach to UFO´s. In 1945, when it was first proven that UFO´s were real from space, operated by intelligent being, most of whom where human in form, the American Government did a soft touch check to see what the great unwashed public would say, and how the public would respond to UFO´s, and space people, if the President informed the public over National radio.

The results of the investigation would truly frost a thinking mans´ balls. The public´s response was all bad. 97% of the public took one of two approaches. Shoot first and ask questions later. Or call the UFO´S agents of the devil, the prince of the power of the air, the ant-Christ, and set up an even worse situation, where UFOs would became a real negative religious issue. What was surprising was the response of the Religious leadership, which was by far worse than the general public´s response. It could only be called grim news.

The science community showed no leadership at all, just a super case of stupidity, and prejudice.

As you might guess, the original investigations were by military men, under orders from General Marshal, under the direction of the President. And if you know your military men, finding one who wants to get into a fight with the preachers, over what is, or is not the Anti-Christ, when neither the military man, nor the preacher know a hell of a lot of factual information about either the Ant-Christ, or the UFOs, would be a lot like sending a blind person out to spot UFO´s. Just as soon as the blind man spots the first UFO, the military will get into the fight with the preachers over the Anti-Christ.

To say that the military seriously avoided the potential conflict with the religious community would be an understatement. To say that the military community successfully avoided a fight with the religious community over UFOs would be an accurate observation. To say that the military was real damned sneaky (fordømt lusket) about how they informed the public about UFOs, would also be an accurate observation.

The military mind will draw conclusions that the religious mind will not. The military mind quickly figured out that if the UFO´s wanted to take over the world, they had the speed, science, and fire power to do so. Hence, the military concluded UFO´s were working by other rules. The general nature of the rules the individuals in the UFOs would be working under, could be projected, based on previous contact records, however skimpy the records.

In other words, the military figured it was a safe assumption that the UFOs would not radically change their actions in modern times, but would stick with the casual and miss system of the past.

The military mind drew one conclusion. The single most important thing to do in the situation it was in, namely sitting on some hot, highly controversial information, was to keep the general public from a bad response by controlling the public´s response to UFOs. In other words keep that damned religious mentality out of the issues involved, as long as possible.

But, do not ever say that the military never did anything about informing the public about the existence of UFO´s. That will mean you have not figured out the methods used by the Government to spread the word about UFOs. You might say the military took the Bible´s advice about not to let the left hand know what the right hand is doing.

The Military pulled the very same trick that Moses pulled, when he did not like the attitude of his troops, after crossing the Red Sea. He took the time to grow a new batch troops, who´s response and thinking was more to his liking. And that is what the military did about UFO´s.

The military also found a problem as bad, or worse, than the religious mind. Have you have ever noticed, Scientist are about as bad as the preachers, when it comes to UFO´s? Especially in the old days. What you missed is the little detail that Scientist, of the old pre-UFO school, got their basic concept of the Universe from an insane preacher: A Catholic Pope. That basic concept is the idea that man is alone in the Universe, and the only intelligent life in the universe.

Going into the dark ages all societies leaving records, in any amount, left some kind of UFO record. Those that left verbal histories left verbal records of UFOs. In effect it was known prior to the Dark Ages that man was not alone in the Universe, that other intelligent beings were out there screwing around. Even the damned cave and rock drawings show UFO activity.

The Greeks and the Romans also knew that the world was round. The Greeks had even tried to measure the size of the earth using wells and sun light.

The insane Catholic Pope decided that he was the most important thing in the Universe, and that the Universe revolved around him. The basic idea that the world was flat was imposed upon the world by an insane Pope, which in effect made the earth the Center of the universe.. That Pope also expanded on the powers of the Pope, in effect saying that he was not only at the center of the Universe, he was all that was good, smart, and holy at the center of the Universe.

That pope also pitched the idea that man was alone in the Universe. That of course left the Pope the smartest man in the Universe. When the Science-Religion fight of the early science days started, science in general won out. The one idea that the Scientist took from an insane Pope, which they loved as an idea, and used as there very own idea, was the idea that man is alone in the Universe. The idea that man is alone in the Universe, if valid, would the make Scientist the smartest, and best educated beings in the Universe. The Science community´s response to the coming of UFOs, and the possible drop in status from the smartest thing in the Universe, was somewhat worse than the religious communities response to UFOs. UFOs rather obviously, put the modern scientist in the position of being a backward person in knowledge, on a backward world. And farther insulted the scientist, by not bothering to make any contact with him. Few, if any of the scientist involved gave up their status, as the smartest and best educated beings in the universe, willingly. Most of the older ones died with that idea in their head. The idea, man was the only intelligent life in the Universe.

The existence of UFOs - truly lowers the status of the religious and scientific leaders of the world. They resisted such a lowering in their status, particularly the scientist. And here I should clear something up. Mention the word intelligence gathering community, and most people go into some kind of potty training shock, and think they have gone back to messing their pants, and are about to be caught at it. Doing what is called spying on people is an expensive and time consuming operation, generally involving a lot of people. It is surprising how many people think that they have some kind of secret, that makes them worth spying on. Casual surveillance, or simple information gathering, can be done much cheaper. The total amount of information needed, to make a high degree of accuracy decision, about someone like Billy, is in fact not as much as a person would imagine.

In effect, in the early days, if you showed up at Billy´s place, knowing enough about good manners, to bring as much food as you eat, wash as many dishes as you get dirty, and just help around the house, or yard a bit. It was possible to get all the UFO information desired from Billy, and be treated as a respected guest.

Looking into Billy with a professional eye will quickly show that there are a couple of things, which are not "totally normal" for this type of contact. The screw ball hours, and the many changes in location, make it somewhat different from most contacts, which generally proceed on a casual, but regular bases, with some consideration for the contactee. Billy probably holds the record for more bad weather contacts than anyone else. His case has some screwball features, but it had some very good pictures.

In a shared UFO information pool with other Countries, including India, it was noticed that Billy got his contacts whenever a woman, the Indians were watching, was missing. It was speculated that Billy´s female contact could have been one of two women that the India authorities were watching. One was a tall dark haired woman with a very fair completion who, according to what the Indians could find out had been working an area for about 200 years. The other woman was a short, some what dumpy blond, with kind of a flat face. Every time the dumpy blond left India, Billy had a contact. Because the Indian surveillance was of the soft touch type, and far from complete, nothing was ever established. But, for a period of about 2 to 3 years there was a one-to-one relationship between the blond leaving India and Billy having a contact.

And there is something else you might figure out, or work on. It is Billy stumbling onto Military men looking at his contact sites. For all their science, the clowns in the UFO do not always work out every thing to perfection.

As a military officer you were exposed to a few classes in physics. As the book says about the rocks and the gold, the physics are the same, this world, or some other. That means that what is known, about physics here, will also apply up there.

The UFO is has a power source, which is obviously related to gravity, and electro magnetic properties of physics. That is all packed into a small space and effects the world around it. Add to that some cloaking device, and a few stray things, and you have a ship, which will give off a few things in the line of radiation. If the dogs can spot the UFOs, then use dogs, which we did around some military and science bases In the early days. If the TV flutters when one comes by, start from there for making a detection device.

It logically follows that about the time that the Governments got into the business of knowing about UFOs, they also got into learning how to detect the things, when they flew by. And it was a dog, who´s action told us that flying saucer had clocking devices. It did not turn out to be all that hard to make a detection device. The Swiss Government has such devices and obviously uses them.

The last time I had anything to do with such devices, which was a long time ago, and the devices where physically very large because their radios had vacuum tubes, they could be rigged to do several different things, and the American Government was screwing with a model that would give the general direction the UFO was traveling. By now they could be the size of a pack of smokes, and give direction along with the make and model of the UFO. me In the late 50s we could define between about four types of UFOs based on how they effected our devices. If I remember some of the information coming out of Billy´s area, the DALs would normally send out a couple of other ships to scout the area, some time several days in advance, before the contact ship showed up. At that time the devices the Swiss had, could tell the difference between the two types of ships normally used. It could also tell the difference between several of the small ball-shaped probes that might be sent out.

I know it to be a fact that the Swiss Government has contact with Space people. But, like all such contacts, the restriction on who knows about it comes from space. The Swiss in fact probably have the best contact of any country in the world. But, that is speculation on my part.

And here I might should add something. Within the Governments of the world, how many I do not know, but based on the patterns, probably most of the reasonable governments, there has been contact from space. But, within any government there will exist two possible sets of information. Those who study UFOs, from the ground looking up, and trade some types of information some times, and those who are in the direct contact position. The two are not necessarily the same person, or department.

I know it to be a fact, having talked to a man who made the trip with him, that Ike had dinner on a space ship. I also know that the Queen of England has been on a space ship, once for medical treatment.

You mentioned something in passing that was interesting. It was your being "spied" on. I have no idea as to who is doing what to whom in your case. But, I do know that there was once a proposal put out to step on UFO investigators, and contactees a little bit, to keep the field from expanding too much, so the real contacts would not be lost in the pure bull ****.

As some one who has been in government, you can probably spot the conflicting, and over lapping authorities, that tend to keep showing up in cases like your self. You never out right ask the question, "what the hell´s Naval Intelligence doing in UFOs, but if you do, they were the "initiating authority" in the solution to the problem of the old FOO Fighters of WW2, and the boys who proved UFOs were from space. Once an Intelligence gathering community gets the initiating authority status in a field, especially if the job is dumped onto them, they are damned hard to pry out of that field.

Within the structure of the American UFO community there are a lot of stories running around. If you ever have the time and the chance, or inclination, you might look up the one piece of semi-hard evidence about a crashed UFO. It is the Brownsville, Texas saucer, which was a very old case. Dating back to right after WW2.

That ship came wobbling by Army Air Force base going about ten miles an hour. They first picked it up on radar, when It was about 40 miles away, which gave them vast amounts of time. Then with field glass as It approached, and finally as a visual. They had enough time that they were able to get a chase plane up in the air to follow the saucer to where it crashed, about ten miles deep in Mexico. Their first action was to get a parachute rigger into a plane, and jump him out over the crash site with a stencil and a can of Red Paint, to mark USAAF on the side of the saucer, so we could claim it was ours - in case the Mexicans showed up.

That ship was dragged back to the US by a cat. It left one hell of a skid trail. From the ground the skid trail can not be seen, because the government paid some Indians $5,000.0O0 to replant the ground. and hid all traces of that drag trail. But it can be seen from the air.

If seen from the air, it will be a very straight line that is almost due North and South. At the South end of the skid trail, there is an East-West gully, and just South of the gully is a small ridge, or very little hill. The small hill has a north south ridge on it. The saucer came to rest on the East side of that ridge up against the slope of the hill, or at the base of the very little hill.

Because the drag trail could be seen from the air the Indians were hired to make other trails on the ground, as a confusion factor. The true drag trail is the only straight one in the group.

This letter is long enough. Lots of luck with what you are doing.

Respectfully .....................(name deleted)

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

Wales. Wales i agree. Just park the car near Haverford West for a night and watch the skies...... chances are the vehicles parked next to you whlst watching is a saucer

Setras Hi.

That's because its a huge MOD/DOD area. Dale is alleged to be one of if not the main hotspot on the planet.