You're awake, but have you gotten out of bed??

[PixieDust]

I've only been apart of this site for a little bit. I was hoping it would be more action provoking.

All i see is people gather facts and talking, discussing, and bitching about whats going in the world demanding change and saying how horrible it is. Well you've got your facts.

there ARE "hidden" people controling the world with their money and "power"

there IS a planet or comet of some kind in space that WILL affect the earth in the next few months to year and beyond.

HAARP IS happening

Chemtrails ARE there for whatever reason.

there ARE aliens influencing the human race.

so why keep researching it and finding more proof when its already in your face. You've got it, youre awake youre here with other like minded people but yet nothing is done.

how many are still working 9-5 jobs?

how many are still in debt to the country?

how many are still living there day to day lives without changing anything yet frustrated with all thats going on?

Well, its time to get out of bed. Realize that the PTB cannot be taken down at this time, at this day and age. BECAUSE everyone is still funding them.

its time to take your own life in your hands, take control back and take care of yourself.

the only way we can over come them is by coming together. communities need to be formed around the world where land is shared and the responsibilities are split among a few families. People with different skill sets need to find each other.

Scared? yeah, thats what they want. Why do you think non of this has happened yet. Youre still controlled. You still think you need money. Yes for a little bit you do but if you form a community then the cost goes way down. Then you will be able to be 100% self sufficient. Money wont matter. only trade.

I think people think they have to go off and do it alone. go find a plot of land and try and create there own life just them. That will be extremly difficult and probably not possible. we need each other. I know i thought that.

we let go of control in exchange for comfort and ease. We let them grow our food for us and now they poison us. we let them grow and make our medicine, now they brainwash us. we let them protect us and now we're defenseless. ect.

i know im being slightly vague on this but there are many other posts and threads with valuable information on how to live that way.

its time to take action. Stop trying to change the world. Focus on yourself and your community. help the people around you and once you have changed yourself and enough people catch on, the world WILL change.

stop screaming and shouting about how things are unfair and what needs to change and be the leaders we are (why WE are awake) and show the rest of the world there is another way to live and we dont need to be in this modern day slavery.

peace.

[blufire]

PixieDust is my beautiful baby girl of whom I am profoundly proud of

[Calz]

PixieDust is my beautiful baby girl of whom I am profoundly proud of

Then we know where the "passion" for life comes from :)

How are you doing in your "big move"???

[scootiep]

Brilliant post PixieDust this is what my gf has been saying for a long long time about this forum, there is alot of talk but no action!!

I'm in the UK and would love to be involved in group or community that could live off of the system and work towards making people aware of whats really going on in the world, and your right it is very frustrating to see whats going on and then do nothing about it!

I live with this every day I have so much frustration because I want to make the world a better place but where do I start?

But I can see why people find it hard to try to live out of the system because of money commitments that they have, like mortgages and credit cards etc...

I have debt at the moment and I hate being controlled by it but hopefully soon I will be free of it, I have sold my house but lost 10 grand and I have 4 grands worth of credit card debts!!! This all fuels the system we all live in, this is what we all need to stop doing, stop getting credit and loans this is what helps the illuminati control us and enslave us!

We all need to work together to make the change we want to see :)

[Isthatso]

A sign I see that many people are 'doing something' is that after the financial meltdown, many people are paying off debt as never before...in my country atleast. Realising they never want to be in that situation again. The crazy spending on junk appears to have been reduced, it's certainly having a negative affect on cash registers here. There's more focus on reducing debt, paying off the house or downsizing and living within our means.

We have to get our own personal affairs in order which reduces the control over us. Something many people I know are doing. The lesson on too much debt was learnt by many - whether or not we have enough time to clear it remains to be seen but I'm in a far better position than I was 3 years ago.

The sharing of information we have here on Avalon is a big part of the process. Not the whole story but an important piece.

Warm wishes....

[161803398]

I grew a forest in my back yard (it even has several animal families living in it). I stopped eating meat. I stopped watching television or reading newpapers. I demand to know whether there are any GMOs in anything I purchase and I make them inquire. I tell everyone what I know. There's a lot more to do, I know but I started at least.

[Erich]

Ten years ago I moved to a mountain community in SE Asia where we have a small farm and a small community of expats who have dis-connected from the politics and the oppression of life in the West. But it is impossible to completely disappear without great penalty. We still have stores and jobs and bills (though to a much lesser extent because the cost of living is very low). I live just about as far away as I can get. I have so much freedom compared to life in the states. The first few years I tried very hard to convince friends and family to follow me perhaps more for my own ego then their sake. No one has followed. Some for very good reasons, others not. I just ignore politics and news because there isn't a whole lot I can do except put my energy elsewhere. I enjoy the discussions about ascension, ETs, UFOs...I hope I'm in the right place. I hope things are changing and fast, be it solar ejections, flux tubes, ascension, fist contact, whatever. Bring it all on... If everyone simply stopped paying their house payments, stopped voting, stopped paying taxes, etc...then I suppose things would change fast. Perhaps I'm too naive.

[DoubleHelix]

PixieDust sensational post ! I was going to create a thread with more or less the exact same message (minus the planet/comet part) - synchronistic or what.

It's precisely what I see throughout the Alternative Media, where most folk are awake and aware to what's going on around them... and they can talk about it until there blue in the face, but without taking action we're ultimately just reinforcing the status-quo. I've pondered and suggested detaching from the system - a theory that still makes a lot of sense to me. But who's to say we couldn't go after such companies like Monsanto! instead of sitting behind the keyboard - why don't we get pro-active about these issues we feel so passionately about !!!

For the amount of knowledge, intellect and wisdom we have in this community there's a serious counter-balance with the lack of initiative, drive and willingness.

I guess it comes down to this - how serious are we about implementing change ?

[161803398]

Its good to do things just to keep your hand in I think. One day it occurred to me to go to into Tim Horton's and ask for a non-GMO donut. I told them about the baby rats that grew hair on the inside of their mouths because the previous two generations had eaten GM soy. The guy in line behind me ordered water when he got the front. I hope I made an impression. I do that everywhere now. What if everyone started doing it.

[Ria]

Get together meet up, get to know each other, Share, exchange, net work.
Put a list of projects together see whose interested in what? and look for where there is overlap and how they might serve each other.
Best wishes to all.

[PixieDust]

scootiep "I live with this every day I have so much frustration because I want to make the world a better place but where do I start?"

start with yourself! be the change you want to see in the world. reach out on thie forum and find people near you or consider moving to a place that would allow you to do that. How can we help other people when we can't even do what we know needs to happen?

Isthatso: Yes! i think the financial break down (whether real or not) did backfire a bit because people are spending less and saving more. My question though is why pay off the debt? Im stuck with this question. I've got a car payment and credit card debt too and i fight with it everyday on why pay it. The car payment i can see being beneficial in the long run but why pay off the debt. to save my credit score so i can buy more cars and houses? isn't that feeding into the slavery that TPTB tricked us into falling into? That we need all these luxury items... a big house a white picket fence and nice cars nice clothes and a status quo? so i have a personal war inside on whether to silently play there game and slip off in the middle of the night or give them the middle finger and run off screaming and laughing.

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"The sharing of information we have here on Avalon is a big part of the process. Not the whole story but an important piece." yes it is. I didnt mean to put the forum down in anyway its still an important tool but i think it needs to start being used to gather and fix along with the down poor of information.

Erich: yay!! more people need to be where you are right now. I plan on being like that within a year. I realize im slightly hypocritical in my post cause i have yet to make the leap my self but my legs are bent and im crouched down eyeing out where im going to plant my feet. Your situation is exactly what i plan on doing. living in a remote place where cost of living is low and still having a small source of income such as a shop or selling stuff that comes from the land (food herbs art work ect) At this point we still have to keep a toe in the game or survival will be that much harder. Not to mention we cant turn our back completly because I feel, maybe its just my calling i dont know, but we are ment to lead others into the new way of life. thats why we are here in this time and thats why we have this knowledge and we are awake. congrats to you for achieving this already :) it makes me happy. i agree everyone should just stop paying stuff but it needs to be a whole lot of people or they'll be able to pick us off one by one and make it impossible to continue living the way we want. Or maybe thats just what they want us to think, to be too scared to do it.

doublehelix: "I was going to create a thread with more or less the exact same message (minus the planet/comet part) - synchronistic or what.

It's precisely what I see throughout the Alternative Media, where most folk are awake and aware to what's going on around them... and they can talk about it until there blue in the face, but without taking action we're ultimately just reinforcing the status-quo. I've pondered and suggested detaching from the system - a theory that still makes a lot of sense to me. But who's to say we couldn't go after such companies like Monsanto! instead of sitting behind the keyboard - why don't we get pro-active about these issues we feel so passionately about !!!"

first part, i was just trying to cover all the major topics i see everyday. to each his own on what truth is theres :) im glad im not the only one feeling this way of lighting a fire to get things going.

i think in order to take down large cooprerations and the governments and all the nasties we have to get ourselves in position first. We cant just decide to start a war and run out the front door. I think we need to be in a position where we can take care of ourselves and the people who aren't ready when we do take them down. for example... the whole GMO thing. Why try and take down a coorperation that sells the seed and grows the plants when they're backed by too many powerful people. Just grow your own organic food or support a local farmer. I think trying to change them or crumble them and rebuild them is a mistake. relying on someone else to do it for you is how we got in this mess in the first place and even if we do succeed in changing them then why put them in position to just do it again? Unless there is a major change in human behavior or ascention in a sense theres always gonna be someone else to take their place. as long as there are people with the greed for money and power it will just happen again unless we dont let there be that option.

161803398: i agree with you. you dont know how many people are listening to you when you say stuff in public. The worker at the register has no power to change anything except send the message onto the manager but you might change their individual life along with the people in line and the other workers. Who knows who might hear you and who it might turn a light on for them.

[Providence]

I've only been apart of this site for a little bit. I was hoping it would be more action provoking.

All i see is people gather facts and talking, discussing, and bitching about whats going in the world demanding change and saying how horrible it is. Well you've got your facts.

there ARE "hidden" people controling the world with their money and "power"

there IS a planet or comet of some kind in space that WILL affect the earth in the next few months to year and beyond.

HAARP IS happening

Chemtrails ARE there for whatever reason.

there ARE aliens influencing the human race.

so why keep researching it and finding more proof when its already in your face. You've got it, youre awake youre here with other like minded people but yet nothing is done.

how many are still working 9-5 jobs?

how many are still in debt to the country?

how many are still living there day to day lives without changing anything yet frustrated with all thats going on?

Well, its time to get out of bed. Realize that the PTB cannot be taken down at this time, at this day and age. BECAUSE everyone is still funding them.

its time to take your own life in your hands, take control back and take care of yourself.

the only way we can over come them is by coming together. communities need to be formed around the world where land is shared and the responsibilities are split among a few families. People with different skill sets need to find each other.

Scared? yeah, thats what they want. Why do you think non of this has happened yet. Youre still controlled. You still think you need money. Yes for a little bit you do but if you form a community then the cost goes way down. Then you will be able to be 100% self sufficient. Money wont matter. only trade.

I think people think they have to go off and do it alone. go find a plot of land and try and create there own life just them. That will be extremly difficult and probably not possible. we need each other. I know i thought that.

we let go of control in exchange for comfort and ease. We let them grow our food for us and now they poison us. we let them grow and make our medicine, now they brainwash us. we let them protect us and now we're defenseless. ect.

i know im being slightly vague on this but there are many other posts and threads with valuable information on how to live that way.

its time to take action. Stop trying to change the world. Focus on yourself and your community. help the people around you and once you have changed yourself and enough people catch on, the world WILL change.

stop screaming and shouting about how things are unfair and what needs to change and be the leaders we are (why WE are awake) and show the rest of the world there is another way to live and we dont need to be in this modern day slavery.

peace.



PixieDust, I don't think that there will be a mass exodus away from 'the corrupt system' as we know it, especially the monetary system, until there is a major crash of the banking system, and I think that could actually be coming in the near future. Once the system goes down the game plan changes, and that is when I believe that most of us will have a real opportunity to take control of our situation and run with it, successfully, because we are informed, and we understand that it is simply a mechanism of control.
Nice post!
Peace

[DoubleHelix]

Erich: yay!! more people need to be where you are right now. I plan on being like that within a year. Your situation is exactly what i plan on doing. living in a remote place where cost of living is low and still having a small source of income such as a shop or selling stuff that comes from the land (food herbs art work ect) At this point we still have to keep a toe in the game or survival will be that much harder. Not to mention we cant turn our back completly because I feel, maybe its just my calling i dont know, but we are ment to lead others into the new way of life. thats why we are here in this time and thats why we have this knowledge and we are awake.

Keep a toe in the game indeed - The suggestion for one to pack up and move to a remote location as far away from civilization as possible sounds like a plausible one in theory. In reality nothing gets solved - the destructive forces at work carry forth there agenda full steam ahead, the only difference is that it takes longer to reach your doorstep.

I'm of the opinion that if we're to implement worthwhile change then it's going to have to come from the midst of well informed communities.

[Billy]

Nice to see a little Pixie Dust falling around Avalon :grouphug:

Just to give you a Pixie Smile that not all are still under the bedcovers

On a personal response , I have moved out of the city after 13yrs away and returned to my community in the Highlands of Scotland where i lived for 20yrs, We grow our own Veg, fresh fish and seafood from local fishermen. our sister community are NOT on the grid and generate their own electricity with a mix of Hydro, wind and solar energy. some of us are working with a bartering system where we share skills and "hours" in labour helping each other, We are moving foreward slowly but surely.

http://islandsgoinggreen.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eigg

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/hydro_electricenergy/7864474/Isle-of-Eigg-wins-green-oscar.html

And if anyone would like to join in the world wide unity wave Hug on 3rd july. Please join in.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?22732-WORLD-WIDE-HUG-3rd-July

Peace

[yaksuit]

I feel I am 'awake' :P but I find it hard to get out of bed sometimes. ;)

[PixieDust]

Erich: yay!! more people need to be where you are right now. I plan on being like that within a year. Your situation is exactly what i plan on doing. living in a remote place where cost of living is low and still having a small source of income such as a shop or selling stuff that comes from the land (food herbs art work ect) At this point we still have to keep a toe in the game or survival will be that much harder. Not to mention we cant turn our back completly because I feel, maybe its just my calling i dont know, but we are ment to lead others into the new way of life. thats why we are here in this time and thats why we have this knowledge and we are awake.

Keep a toe in the game indeed - The suggestion for one to pack up and move to a remote location as far away from civilization as possible sounds like a plausible one in theory. In reality nothing gets solved - the destructive forces at work carry forth there agenda full steam ahead, the only difference is that it takes longer to reach your doorstep.

I'm of the opinion that if we're to implement worthwhile change then it's going to have to come from the midst of well informed communities.

i get waht youre saying and you make a valid point :) If we just ran for the hills and turned our backs on the rest of society we'd be safe for a short amount of time but nothing would come from it. We would also be ignoring part of our responsibility for why we are awake. Im not suggesting to go hide under a rock and try to ignore the world. We need to spread the information but it wont make much sense unless we can show that there IS another way to live. If we just stand on a soap box and preach to people walking by they wont hear us out more than a homeless man asking for spare change. If we're still living the way the PTB want us to live then our words have no back bone and the sheep will still be wandering aimlessly with new knowledge that they dont know if they can trust. we need to lead by example and SHOW instead of just talking about it cause we'll just keep getting slapped with labels like hippies or conspericy theorists. Its another way to spread and inform. Possibly more effective cause they're use to hearing lies so why would they listen to our word?

[blufire]

Well . . . I swear to my time!! You HAVE been listening to your ole’ momma

You go babygirl . . . .






Erich: yay!! more people need to be where you are right now. I plan on being like that within a year. Your situation is exactly what i plan on doing. living in a remote place where cost of living is low and still having a small source of income such as a shop or selling stuff that comes from the land (food herbs art work ect) At this point we still have to keep a toe in the game or survival will be that much harder. Not to mention we cant turn our back completly because I feel, maybe its just my calling i dont know, but we are ment to lead others into the new way of life. thats why we are here in this time and thats why we have this knowledge and we are awake.

Keep a toe in the game indeed - The suggestion for one to pack up and move to a remote location as far away from civilization as possible sounds like a plausible one in theory. In reality nothing gets solved - the destructive forces at work carry forth there agenda full steam ahead, the only difference is that it takes longer to reach your doorstep.

I'm of the opinion that if we're to implement worthwhile change then it's going to have to come from the midst of well informed communities.

i get waht youre saying and you make a valid point :) If we just ran for the hills and turned our backs on the rest of society we'd be safe for a short amount of time but nothing would come from it. We would also be ignoring part of our responsibility for why we are awake. Im not suggesting to go hide under a rock and try to ignore the world. We need to spread the information but it wont make much sense unless we can show that there IS another way to live. If we just stand on a soap box and preach to people walking by they wont hear us out more than a homeless man asking for spare change. If we're still living the way the PTB want us to live then our words have no back bone and the sheep will still be wandering aimlessly with new knowledge that they dont know if they can trust. we need to lead by example and SHOW instead of just talking about it cause we'll just keep getting slapped with labels like hippies or conspericy theorists. Its another way to spread and inform. Possibly more effective cause they're use to hearing lies so why would they listen to our word?

[Charlie Pecos]

Patience, my dear, patience.

All things in their own good time.
The momentum is building, but there must be a catalyst.
It is coming. Wait for it.

[PixieDust]

Well . . . I swear to my time!! You HAVE been listening to your ole’ momma

You go babygirl . . . .






Erich: yay!! more people need to be where you are right now. I plan on being like that within a year. Your situation is exactly what i plan on doing. living in a remote place where cost of living is low and still having a small source of income such as a shop or selling stuff that comes from the land (food herbs art work ect) At this point we still have to keep a toe in the game or survival will be that much harder. Not to mention we cant turn our back completly because I feel, maybe its just my calling i dont know, but we are ment to lead others into the new way of life. thats why we are here in this time and thats why we have this knowledge and we are awake.

Keep a toe in the game indeed - The suggestion for one to pack up and move to a remote location as far away from civilization as possible sounds like a plausible one in theory. In reality nothing gets solved - the destructive forces at work carry forth there agenda full steam ahead, the only difference is that it takes longer to reach your doorstep.

I'm of the opinion that if we're to implement worthwhile change then it's going to have to come from the midst of well informed communities.

i get waht youre saying and you make a valid point :) If we just ran for the hills and turned our backs on the rest of society we'd be safe for a short amount of time but nothing would come from it. We would also be ignoring part of our responsibility for why we are awake. Im not suggesting to go hide under a rock and try to ignore the world. We need to spread the information but it wont make much sense unless we can show that there IS another way to live. If we just stand on a soap box and preach to people walking by they wont hear us out more than a homeless man asking for spare change. If we're still living the way the PTB want us to live then our words have no back bone and the sheep will still be wandering aimlessly with new knowledge that they dont know if they can trust. we need to lead by example and SHOW instead of just talking about it cause we'll just keep getting slapped with labels like hippies or conspericy theorists. Its another way to spread and inform. Possibly more effective cause they're use to hearing lies so why would they listen to our word?

times swearing back mama! of course i listen. im always listening to everything going on :)

[PixieDust]

Patience, my dear, patience.

All things in their own good time.
The momentum is building, but there must be a catalyst.
It is coming. Wait for it.

thank you for your words of wisdome. unfortunatly i am still young and a fire sign so patience for me is hard. I'm a doer not a waiter. what if our uprising and shift in the world is the catalyst we're waiting for? the spark inside me thats been there ever sense i woke up has recently become a bonefire. my soul has become anxious and twitchy its time to act. we can meditate and pray all we want but once we get the guidence and direction its time to act on it. youre probably painfully right but as of the past few days i cant wait anymore. im suppose to be doing something, something big.

[Erich]

One of the things I've learned over this past decade is that while my life has been incredible as a result of leaving the west, I have not really helped change anything on the big scales as I would like. I wrote a few novels and have been able to convince a few people this kind of change is possible, but to really do the things I dream about, we need some help. Help that will alter the entire paradigm. First contact, which to me represents more knowledge about who we are/why we're here, where we come from, etc...is the only possibility I can imagine.

[Charlie Pecos]

Patience, my dear, patience.

All things in their own good time.
The momentum is building, but there must be a catalyst.
It is coming. Wait for it.

thank you for your words of wisdome. unfortunatly i am still young and a fire sign so patience for me is hard. I'm a doer not a waiter. what if our uprising and shift in the world is the catalyst we're waiting for? the spark inside me thats been there ever sense i woke up has recently become a bonefire. my soul has become anxious and twitchy its time to act. we can meditate and pray all we want but once we get the guidence and direction its time to act on it. youre probably painfully right but as of the past few days i cant wait anymore. im suppose to be doing something, something big.

And what makes you think that standing and waiting in itself is not what you should be doing? It is a grand play, no one gets left out, we all have a part to play. Some are at their places and more than ready to perform their part; others are still trying to find their way to the stage. When the right moment comes, all will be ready-all will play their part. Relax, enjoy it, you will get to play your part. Everything is as it should be.

[aranuk]

So tell us what you have done this far PD?

Stan

[aranuk]

A sign I see that many people are 'doing something' is that after the financial meltdown, many people are paying off debt as never before...in my country atleast. Realising they never want to be in that situation again. The crazy spending on junk appears to have been reduced, it's certainly having a negative affect on cash registers here. There's more focus on reducing debt, paying off the house or downsizing and living within our means.

We have to get our own personal affairs in order which reduces the control over us. Something many people I know are doing. The lesson on too much debt was learnt by many - whether or not we have enough time to clear it remains to be seen but I'm in a far better position than I was 3 years ago.

The sharing of information we have here on Avalon is a big part of the process. Not the whole story but an important piece.

Warm wishes....

Isthatso hallelujah! A very intelligent post! and ONLY one member saying thanks? Before mine. Why did the lady that had a child called Pixiedust get so many thanks? I counted 10 that seems to me that the people thanking this post are more interested in mediocracy and triviality than changing anything on this planet. I think you will have a hard time explaining to me why this was so.

Stan

[161803398]

Waiting for Godot? I dk about waiting...hate it actually. I always want to jump right in.

Not without a plan though. But you can wait for things that never happen. And then there is timing...choosing a good time. But waiting for a catalyst. I dk about that. I think things are pretty catalyzing right now. I think there are things to do now.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

While I admire this threads intent, I can't help but feel attacked by it in some way. Maybe we ARE doing things in our daily life to enact change. Do we have to totally quit and go live in the woods and grow our own food and make our own medicine and things of the sort? Do you? If not, are you not a hypocrite? I like the idea of challenging us to take action, but the path less walked is one of misery and seclusion. A path of hardship no doubt. Obviously you use a computer, do you pay a bill for wifi? If so, what does that say? In the land of the blind the man, the man with one eye is INSANE. Are you asking us to quit entirely and shuck off society? Stop paying bills and using paper money?
In short, what i mean is, we are doing the same as you in a grand sense. By challenging the rest of us to take action you are holding yourself up to the flame, for that I commend you. That said, i'm calling your bluff, please respond in turn and let us know EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING(BESIDES THIS POST) and how we should best emulate you??? Yes we work and i think it silly you ask us to quit, you derelict ;)

[Charlie Pecos]

Nature knows patience. She knows when to hold back, wait for the right time. And she knows when to bring forth.
This is a very ancient code.
There is much we can learn from her.

[Davy]

I agree Pixiedust, I was just talking today and I had an Idea of some sort what if avalon can create a forum for self help? For threads on survival, how to help, how to talk to your neighbors,how to pull together, how to live in love and how to really do these things in real time by doing with your own hands. Useful information and fast. Everyone can post in this section only on issues helpful to the Human race! We have got to teach people so maybe more can be prepared and get through this Worldly turmoil that is all too soon approaching!

[aranuk]

I am retired now and I own my house in the city of Edinburgh where the house prices are second only to London I think. So, I am in the position to sell my house and buy a cottage up the Scottish Highlands. However most young people, which includes my daughter and her family are tied down with a huge mortgage and so are millions of young people and many millions more who live in rented accommodation could not buy anywhere to live in the ****in' Scottish Highlands. What about them? Will they have to live under trees and live in caves or for that matter take anarchy into their own hands and throw people out of their houses so they can live as I can? C'mon get real. We cannot do anything at all until the monetary system collapses or a friggin' free for all will happen. This strategy has to be worked out intelligently otherwise mayhem will result. My sympathies are with you Pixie my sweetheart but the timing may be right for Billyji up the Scottish Highlands but not for everyone. An answer has to be found for EVERYONE otherwise anarchy and chaos, violence, deaths, murders.

Stan

[pharoah21]

I struggle to live off the grid because I'm a type one diabetic. I really do need to work to have the money to buy my insulin. Without it I'm a dead man.

- Stuck

[aranuk]

I struggle to live off the grid because I'm a type one diabetic. I really do need to work to have the money to buy my insulin. Without it I'm a dead man.

- Stuck

If you lived in Britain that would be given to you on the National Health Service. But if you worked the government would find other ways to make you pay for all the other things. I am diabetic too but I have worked for 50 years and paid into the NHS system so it isn't really free, I already paid for it.

Stan

[PixieDust]

I am retired now and I own my house in the city of Edinburgh where the house prices are second only to London I think. So, I am in the position to sell my house and buy a cottage up the Scottish Highlands. However most young people, which includes my daughter and her family are tied down with a huge mortgage and so are millions of young people and many millions more who live in rented accommodation could not buy anywhere to live in the ****in' Scottish Highlands. What about them? Will they have to live under trees and live in caves or for that matter take anarchy into their own hands and throw people out of their houses so they can live as I can? C'mon get real. We cannot do anything at all until the monetary system collapses or a friggin' free for all will happen. This strategy has to be worked out intelligently otherwise mayhem will result. My sympathies are with you Pixie my sweetheart but the timing may be right for Billyji up the Scottish Highlands but not for everyone. An answer has to be found for EVERYONE otherwise anarchy and chaos, violence, deaths, murders.

Stan

I realize by starting a thread like this I'm starting a fire, with fire you can get burned. Thats just fine. I can only speak what is true to me. If it's not true to anyone reading this then cheers :)

Stan, if you have the means to buy a cottage in the highlands why would you leave your daughter and her family stranded? If you have the means to get land then why just do it for yourself and not open your door to help others around you? If you haven't noticed, I'm 22. I am the "young people". Im in a position where I can either join the rat race get a mortgage and slave away for the rest of mine and my husbands life and pass that way of living onto our daughters OR I can choose my own way of living and reach out to those around me and change the pace. You ask what about the millions who can't just up and leave there lives? Well thats why i believe people who can create communities NOW and start the change NOW do it before we are forced to so when the modern systems fall we are set up to help the ones with nothing left. People who aren't in the position to start the new way of life can support the people who are. Support local farmers, buy their organic food, help them with the farming if they need it in exchange for healthy food. Those in the communities will eventually not need an income to continue life. That is the end goal by starting a new community, we'll still need a small form of income. You dont think utter mayhem will happen when the systems collapse? There will only be mayhem unless there are communities around the world willing to help those in need when everything falls. We will be the ones with the responsibility to maintain a sense of order and pick the pieces up and rebuild and help those who lost everything in the fall. How can we do that unless we act now and get set up now before everything crashes? I'm not saying everyone needs to go pack up and drop everything to go live off grid or even half way off grid. I'm saying those with the capabilities to do that need to and those who dont have the capabilities need to support them so they have survival. No one can do this alone it has to be a group effort. So Stan, darling, I am thinking of EVERYONE. We need to prepare now and prepare for those who can't yet. Why wait until its all fallen and the world is in shambles? We need to stop thinking in this "me" mindset and start thinking about "we".

[pharoah21]

I think the mere fact that people are starting to speak about this 'communities' concept shows that soon we will start to see it happening. I think it's a great idea. All we really need is food and shelter. It's definitely possible.

[Sniffity]

Well done for making the point I was about to make! We need to stop complaining about the whole thing and actually do something. You cant leave it up to someone else!

[aranuk]

I am retired now and I own my house in the city of Edinburgh where the house prices are second only to London I think. So, I am in the position to sell my house and buy a cottage up the Scottish Highlands. However most young people, which includes my daughter and her family are tied down with a huge mortgage and so are millions of young people and many millions more who live in rented accommodation could not buy anywhere to live in the ****in' Scottish Highlands. What about them? Will they have to live under trees and live in caves or for that matter take anarchy into their own hands and throw people out of their houses so they can live as I can? C'mon get real. We cannot do anything at all until the monetary system collapses or a friggin' free for all will happen. This strategy has to be worked out intelligently otherwise mayhem will result. My sympathies are with you Pixie my sweetheart but the timing may be right for Billyji up the Scottish Highlands but not for everyone. An answer has to be found for EVERYONE otherwise anarchy and chaos, violence, deaths, murders.

Stan

I realize by starting a thread like this I'm starting a fire, with fire you can get burned. Thats just fine. I can only speak what is true to me. If it's not true to anyone reading this then cheers :)

Stan, if you have the means to buy a cottage in the highlands why would you leave your daughter and her family stranded? If you have the means to get land then why just do it for yourself and not open your door to help others around you? If you haven't noticed, I'm 22. I am the "young people". Im in a position where I can either join the rat race get a mortgage and slave away for the rest of mine and my husbands life and pass that way of living onto our daughters OR I can choose my own way of living and reach out to those around me and change the pace. You ask what about the millions who can't just up and leave there lives? Well thats why i believe people who can create communities NOW and start the change NOW do it before we are forced to so when the modern systems fall we are set up to help the ones with nothing left. People who aren't in the position to start the new way of life can support the people who are. Support local farmers, buy their organic food, help them with the farming if they need it in exchange for healthy food. Those in the communities will eventually not need an income to continue life. That is the end goal by starting a new community, we'll still need a small form of income. You dont think utter mayhem will happen when the systems collapse? There will only be mayhem unless there are communities around the world willing to help those in need when everything falls. We will be the ones with the responsibility to maintain a sense of order and pick the pieces up and rebuild and help those who lost everything in the fall. How can we do that unless we act now and get set up now before everything crashes? I'm not saying everyone needs to go pack up and drop everything to go live off grid or even half way off grid. I'm saying those with the capabilities to do that need to and those who dont have the capabilities need to support them so they have survival. No one can do this alone it has to be a group effort. So Stan, darling, I am thinking of EVERYONE. We need to prepare now and prepare for those who can't yet. Why wait until its all fallen and the world is in shambles? We need to stop thinking in this "me" mindset and start thinking about "we".

Dearest Pixie ,
First of all I wouldn't leave my daughter and son in law and my three beautiful grandchildren stranded. Why did you ask me such a ridiculous question? I never said I would. I never said anything remotely like that. You also asked me if I had the means to buy land that I buy land for myself and not open my door to help others around me. In my post you quoted above I didn't mention buying land and not open my doors to others. Where do you get this information from? Please explain? If you had taken more time to read my post instead of accusing me of wrong doings on my family and the people around me you would have noticed that the gist of what I said WAS about caring for the young people. (line 2 and 3) In your second last line you say you were thinking of EVERYONE but there again so was I. In your last line above are you saying that I am thinking in a "me" mindset

Stan

[Fred Steeves]

Patience, my dear, patience.

All things in their own good time.
The momentum is building, but there must be a catalyst.
It is coming. Wait for it.


Excellent Charlie, and thank you! That's PRECISELY what I was thinking, but it hadn't taken form in my fragile eggshell mind yet.

I have nothing to add.


Cheers,
Fred

[siggy]

Yes, you've got to do it yourself - no-one's going to do it for you!

I think that all of us on the forum are pretty lucky in that we have the time & resources to discuss the topic's we do and learn about the current 'situation' as we see it. However, most of the planet is too busy struggling for their daily bread, or dodging bullets & bombs, to worry about the NWO, TPTB, etc. My feeling is that nothing will happen on a societal level until the house of cards (banking system) comes crashing down - when money is worthless, community & relationships will be what counts, but it's going to hurt big time.

That having been said, for the last 6 months or so I've been working, within a group of 10 or so families, all with the aim of setting up a low-impact, self-reliant, eco-village in the UK. It's going well, but slooooooowly. We're just about at the stage of needing to find the land, but many of us need to sell houses to fund the buy-in, and the current economic climate isn't helping with the house sales!!!!

There seems to be more & more people interested in such venture(s) in the UK (& the rest of the west from what I see on the net) but cash is usually the limiting factor - you need £ to buy the land & build infrastructure, homes, gardens, etc (at least at the moment). Plus, here in the UK land is limited / expensive and the planning process is a nightmare (unless you have £500k or so to buy a smallholding or want to build a mock spanish style villa in the middle of the countryside complete with tennis court & swimming pool. God forbid that poor people would want to build small, ecologically sound homes with veg gardens and so aim to be self-sufficient! - rant over :) ).

If the money system holds together long enough for us to get started, all well & good; if not, then money won't be the problem!

[DoubleHelix]

Patience, my dear, patience.

All things in their own good time.
The momentum is building, but there must be a catalyst.
It is coming. Wait for it.

I agree about the catalyst part, but at the same time, simply standing back and taking an observational stance may not be the most appropriate option.

A lot of people are waiting and praying on the economy crash, which from where we're all standing looks to be imminent and somewhat guaranteed - Who's to say this will be humanities saviour that awakens the masses? Sounds like it could be a perfect opportunity for TPTB to implement a new global currency and one world government, of course cleverly disguised as a "brilliant solution"

An economy collapse is going to throw many into a state of fear, from this lower vibrational mind state I wouldn't imagine there'd be a lot of rational decisions being made.. probably an increase in crime and looting.

Just my opinion - thoughts anyone ?

[siggy]

Sounds like it could be a perfect opportunity for TPTB to implement a new global currency and one world government, of course cleverly disguised as a "brilliant solution"

An economy collapse is going to throw many into a state of fear, from this lower vibrational mind state I wouldn't imagine there'd be a lot of rational decisions being made.. probably an increase in crime and looting.

Just my opinion - thoughts anyone ?

Yep, that'd be my take on it.

Problem -> reaction -> solution.

Economic collapse -> social unrest -> martial law -> NWO.

[PixieDust]

A lot of people are waiting and praying on the economy crash, which from where we're all standing looks to be imminent and somewhat guaranteed - Who's to say this will be humanities saviour that awakens the masses? Sounds like it could be a perfect opportunity for TPTB to implement a new global currency and one world government, of course cleverly disguised as a "brilliant solution"

An economy collapse is going to throw many into a state of fear, from this lower vibrational mind state I wouldn't imagine there'd be a lot of rational decisions being made.. probably an increase in crime and looting.

Just my opinion - thoughts anyone ?

I agree completly. If/when the collapse happens the majority of people are just going to be scared and react out of a place of fear. If we start the movement now we will be able to reduce some of that fear. I know because of money issues starting communities and finding land is hard. There are also laws and permits that will limit us to what we can do at the moment. Thats mostly why we HAVE to group together. We can't fight them individually or they'll just take us out like mice. When something big goes down the government is going to come down hard to keep us from scattering.

[Davy]

I agree Pixie, if you know about these things and chose to do nothing for yourself and family, then the best of luck to you. Again Preparedness, is the key we each need to ask ourselves what am I doing physically to prepare?? You may not be able to up and move, but you can save back water, I save my milk jugs, coke bottles orange juice container don't recycle them, you have already paid for them just wash them and fill them with water, the water will be good in the jugs, food, essentials get to know you neighbors the ones next door is a good start, talk to them about if things happen get them to put back food.. Plant a garden, buy heirloom seeds that can be saved for the next year. Do what you can, the more you do just maybe you will be among the survivors to see a new world. A world where we can live together and learn the importance of taking care of each other and it all starts at home. Everyone start there because that is where you can physically accomplish the most!

These things I have done and plan on doing more my to do list is long but I am prioritizing what to do next. Perseverance, keep going, everyday is a new day so don't waste it, we have a lot of work to do!

Love and light Davy!

[Billy]

I am retired now and I own my house in the city of Edinburgh where the house prices are second only to London I think. So, I am in the position to sell my house and buy a cottage up the Scottish Highlands. However most young people, which includes my daughter and her family are tied down with a huge mortgage and so are millions of young people and many millions more who live in rented accommodation could not buy anywhere to live in the ****in' Scottish Highlands. What about them? Will they have to live under trees and live in caves or for that matter take anarchy into their own hands and throw people out of their houses so they can live as I can? C'mon get real. We cannot do anything at all until the monetary system collapses or a friggin' free for all will happen. This strategy has to be worked out intelligently otherwise mayhem will result. My sympathies are with you Pixie my sweetheart but the timing may be right for Billyji up the Scottish Highlands but not for everyone. An answer has to be found for EVERYONE otherwise anarchy and chaos, violence, deaths, murders.

Stan

Hi Stan, the main reason i ended back in the Highlands was due to the recession i was evicted from my home in Edinburgh, So now i stay in my caravan that i used to use as my sactuary when finances were better. But although i lost everything i have gained so much more now. destiny works in mysterious ways. there is always a bit of ground for anyone around my caravan. Scotland has plenty room and barren High Lands for many more souls if it comes to that. A picture of my garden for you all taken 2 days ago. Happy Days.

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[DoubleHelix]

Hey billyji, I'm glad you've adjusted so well to your new way of life, you sound like an inspirational person!

Quality of life has very little to do with one's acquisition - less is more seems to be the secret they don't want to know ! :)

[Davy]

One more thing I would like to add pixie, I do believe Avalon is the change, Just think of all the information passed throughout this forum people are reading it. If they dont take heed then that is not our fault we can not help everyone but we all can start by helping ourselves!

We have got to keep posting, and sharing I do believe there are those that are taking heed and listening. Just think of all the people that can see this forum whether they become a member or not, and remember there is a lot of issues and we as humans can only digest small amounts at a time so keep feeding the information and some will become full then they will be able to share their new knowledge with others too, so yes Avalon is doing what it needs to but we can do more! We have each got to be the change we want to see! http://youtu.be/P5vz6iwV38U

[PixieDust]

thank you davy! yes prepare prepare prepare! if you cant make the big leap there are still things one can do to make their life easy when the collapse happens. for example how do people expect to get a butter churn, a wheat grinder, seed savers, salve bases, dehydraters, cream seperaters (if goat is your choice for milk), live stock, tools, books on how to do it, books on foraging and medicinal herbs, canning equipment ect. when we're under marshal law and have no money or access to the internet? Even if you cant get land you can do things and get things that will make life a whole hell of a lot easier when we are forced to live that way. Or you could always go to the concentration camps and wait in line for your water. I to am keeping jugs and containers and filling them with water. Brown beer bottles can also be used to make herbal tinctures I save them too. I agree on getting to know the people around you whos gonna help, who needs help, and who might be trouble. spread the word in your community. if you have a certain skill ask your library if you can hold a class/ classes there and teach others your skill/s. theres so much more to this then just packing up and running for isolation.

I also agree that avalon is very important. the more people that can find it and use it the better. sharing information is still key but it needs to be more now. It also needs to be shown. Because X is happening Y should happen and Z is one way of doing it.

peace

[blufire]

Hi Calz

I actually was a very active member of the Midwest ground crew during PA 1. We met several times and I even had the group out to my farm in Kansas. The group “for the most” was a bit too militant and survivalist for me and based more on a fearful knee jerk reaction on what was felt “they” were doing “to us”.

While there is much truth in that feeling, my foundational philosophy is based on stepping out of the paradigm or game that has been designed for us and creating a place of thriving not survival.

While my farm in Kansas “was” (sold it) setup for a sustainable and community lifestyle I was uncomfortable with the location near a large city, sea level, geophysical stability and other concerns.

Where I am currently headed in the Appalachians holds a plethora of options and as safe a place in the States as my research can conclude.

Please understand . . . “I am not heading for the hills” to hide out in a “strong hold”. Although we are as well equipped as possible for all scenarios. I am moving to a place that holds the beautiful ability for a Life away from the nightmare created for us by “them”. This Place does hold protection from the natural elements and catastrophes we WILL be facing and already are suffering. It is my hope and drive to mix the “old ways” with new technology and wisdom. My “push” is to be pragmatic enough to weather whatever “birthing pains” we and Gaia will be going through and if it is meant to be . . . then build and create a place of Thriving.

Is this a panacea and wishful thinking??? Maybe. But I do know I am an Old Indigo, Starseed or Old Soul or some strange “being” and it is my journey in this place and time and dimension to carve out a path for those “coming after”. I read the posts and threads of the young people here on Avalon (including my daughter) and I smile and my soul sings. Because they are the New Hope and will create the world we pontificate on.

I feel strongly it is my responsibility to at least give the young people the biggest chance I can. It is my responsibility to teach, love and nurture and discipline. I feel it is our (the older ones) responsibility to bear as much of the burden as possible so the Younger Ones can move forward unfettered. The Young Ones came into this dimension and time with the wisdom and knowledge to move “us” forward into the new world and next dimension . . . . they must not be burdened or suppressed or made to “toe the line” and live in the same enslaved life . . . . the same pathetic illusion. This is what “they” want and have done for many many years.

It is not about Survival . . . . It is about Thriving


Oh and Calz . . . in case 9eagle9 doesn't read this let her know I know how to make moonshine!!! It ain't Tequila but it still "gets the job done" !!! :p





PixieDust is my beautiful baby girl of whom I am profoundly proud of

Then we know where the "passion" for life comes from :)

How are you doing in your "big move"???

[Calz]

Consider the message passed :washing:


Oh and Calz . . . in case 9eagle9 doesn't read this let her know I know how to make moonshine!!! It ain't Tequila but it still "gets the job done" !!!

So many amazing souls here ... :cry:

[Gardener]

Charlie this is where we are at, we go through a phase change, you know like when ice melts, starts slow then speeds up and then suddenly its water with totally different structure.




Patience, my dear, patience.

All things in their own good time.
The momentum is building, but there must be a catalyst.
It is coming. Wait for it.

[9eagle9]

Yeeee ha! Moonshine!

Hurries to find spare mules and empty jugs...imposes self as temporary guest demanding cornbread and soup beans... and banana pudding....with 'nilla wafers (tell me I don't know my way around appalachia!)

And of course, Calz let me know what your terms are in brokering this whole thing...

One jug, two ? Four? Banana pudding?



Consider the message passed :washing:


Oh and Calz . . . in case 9eagle9 doesn't read this let her know I know how to make moonshine!!! It ain't Tequila but it still "gets the job done" !!!

So many amazing souls here ... :cry:

[Charlie Pecos]

Must one run out into the world, guns blazing and sword held firmly between the teeth, upon awakening?

What would be your perfect world? One in which you must prepare for every possibility no matter how remote? One in which you view tomorrow with trepidation?

Or one in which the universe provides everything that you need, even before you know you need it?

I sense much fear here. Be the change you desire. Give up the fear, it is what holds us back.

This is the change we should example to others. Then it matters not what markets or planets do. People will see us living our lives without fear and without constraints, and they will be drawn to do the same. It's the interaction with others that matters! It's how we treat each other.

Let us be slow to anger and quick to forgive. What a different world this would be if we all did this.

Why not create your paradise where you stand?

So yes, if you are the kind of person who is good at uniting a community and you feel the call to do so, then please do it. If you don't know what to do besides rattle your cage, perhaps it is not time yet and that is why I say to you- Patience.

Forget yesterday, it is gone
Don't worry about tomorrow, it may not even come.
Right here, right now, this moment, is all we ever truly have. Live in it, be at one with it.

I care not for the machinations of politicians, corporations, or banksters.
I turn my back on them. I cast off the chains of materialism.
I too have debt, but I will pay it off. And when that is done, I will never go back.
If enough of us do this one simple thing, they will cease to exist.
So you see, there are many small things that one can do that will add up in a big way.

My brothers and sisters- do not despair. The change you seek is upon us. It is much more subtle than you would have it be.
And that is why it is unstoppable.
When the wave crests, it will be too late for "them" to turn it back. They cannot turn it back anyway, because that would be against universal law and design.

There is a pattern upon which the universe is built. It can be visualized as a circle or the symbol for infinity. In fact, I find that the symbol for infinity is much more accurate a translation than the circle. Everything is cyclical but like a wave crashing in on itself.

At any rate, this is all just an illusion and great fun for spirits who have an eternity to fill.

Be well all and know that you are loved.

[blufire]

You forgot the inch thick 'bolognie" sandwiches with a bottle of Nehi Orange sodie pop!!! :p

I love mules but I actually "sit astride" a Tennessee Walker.

Just bring along a sack of corn and 50 lb bag of sugar to restock the "fixins' and come on down and sit a 'spell!!




Yeeee ha! Moonshine!

Hurries to find spare mules and empty jugs...imposes self as temporary guest demanding cornbread and soup beans... and banana pudding....with 'nilla wafers (tell me I don't know my way around appalachia!)

And of course, Calz let me know what your terms are in brokering this whole thing...

One jug, two ? Four? Banana pudding?



Consider the message passed :washing:


Oh and Calz . . . in case 9eagle9 doesn't read this let her know I know how to make moonshine!!! It ain't Tequila but it still "gets the job done" !!!

So many amazing souls here ... :cry:

[blufire]

Charlie P

Evidently you do not read my posts in depth.

There are no guns blazin’ here or running and hiding. Only acknowledging the truth of what is happening in plain sight and being sensible and pragmatic.

You speak of a catalyst . . . . how many more do you need my friend. How big of a catalyst do you need. Catalyst is someone or something that brings about an event or change. There are events and people all around us that clearly define “catalyst” . . . PICK ONE

There is so much passivity here on Avalon and very little “action” or at least someone willing enough to jump in the middle of the weeds and cut a path.

Well I decided to “jump smack in the middle of the weeds” and begin to find the path that seems to be completely grown over with “denial”, “fear”, “passivity”, “confusion” “unwillingness” . . . . . .

We can pontificate and debate semantics ‘til the cows come home and it keeps us right where TPTB want us. Mollified and Manipulated

To find the road you must first be willing to take that first step.




Must one run out into the world, guns blazing and sword held firmly between the teeth, upon awakening?

What would be your perfect world? One in which you must prepare for every possibility no matter how remote? One in which you view tomorrow with trepidation?

Or one in which the universe provides everything that you need, even before you know you need it?

I sense much fear here. Be the change you desire. Give up the fear, it is what holds us back.

This is the change we should example to others. Then it matters not what markets or planets do. People will see us living our lives without fear and without constraints, and they will be drawn to do the same. It's the interaction with others that matters! It's how we treat each other.

Let us be slow to anger and quick to forgive. What a different world this would be if we all did this.

Why not create your paradise where you stand?

So yes, if you are the kind of person who is good at uniting a community and you feel the call to do so, then please do it. If you don't know what to do besides rattle your cage, perhaps it is not time yet and that is why I say to you- Patience.

Forget yesterday, it is gone
Don't worry about tomorrow, it may not even come.
Right here, right now, this moment, is all we ever truly have. Live in it, be at one with it.

I care not for the machinations of politicians, corporations, or banksters.
I turn my back on them. I cast off the chains of materialism.
I too have debt, but I will pay it off. And when that is done, I will never go back.
If enough of us do this one simple thing, they will cease to exist.
So you see, there are many small things that one can do that will add up in a big way.

My brothers and sisters- do not despair. The change you seek is upon us. It is much more subtle than you would have it be.
And that is why it is unstoppable.
When the wave crests, it will be too late for "them" to turn it back. They cannot turn it back anyway, because that would be against universal law and design.

There is a pattern upon which the universe is built. It can be visualized as a circle or the symbol for infinity. In fact, I find that the symbol for infinity is much more accurate a translation than the circle. Everything is cyclical but like a wave crashing in on itself.

At any rate, this is all just an illusion and great fun for spirits who have an eternity to fill.

Be well all and know that you are loved.

[Charlie Pecos]

Charlie P

Evidently you do not read my posts in depth.

There are no guns blazin’ here or running and hiding. Only acknowledging the truth of what is happening in plain sight and being sensible and pragmatic.

You speak of a catalyst . . . . how many more do you need my friend. How big of a catalyst do you need. Catalyst is someone or something that brings about an event or change. There are events and people all around us that clearly define “catalyst” . . . PICK ONE

There is so much passivity here on Avalon and very little “action” or at least someone willing enough to jump in the middle of the weeds and cut a path.

Well I decided to “jump smack in the middle of the weeds” and begin to find the path that seems to be completely grown over with “denial”, “fear”, “passivity”, “confusion” “unwillingness” . . . . . .

We can pontificate and debate semantics ‘til the cows come home and it keeps us right where TPTB want us. Mollified and Manipulated

To find the road you must first be willing to take that first step.


Do you honestly see things changing here in America in the way we would all like to see anytime in the near future? I do not. Our programming is quite well established. Take a look around at the majority of our fellow Americans- we can't even talk to them about this stuff, their programming fully precludes any getting through to them.

Sure there are changes occurring all around us everyday in big ways and small. It would take hundreds if not thousands of years to successfully change our society and our world. And at any rate, for the current society to be broken down and rebuilt would take a major restructuring of the fundamental components that make up our society. (let's start with the truth about God and see how far we get) There is absolutely no reason for us to let go of our houses, cars, big screen tv's, or our internet. Your PTB have it all sown up, struggle all you like, the ropes only get tighter. There must be a force majeure, or it all just stays the same.

I don't mean to rain on your parade or diminish your work, that is not my purpose. Please, by all means, do what you feel you are called to do.

[siggy]

Come on people, isn't this forum for discussions!? You can have different opinions without getting too fired up & so show respect for others & their opinions (even if you don't agree with the opinion).

Is the response below too acerbic / touchy? [if it was aimed at me - No, it'd be water off a ducks back]:


Charlie P

Evidently you do not read my posts in depth.

There are no guns blazin’ here or running and hiding. Only acknowledging the truth of what is happening in plain sight and being sensible and pragmatic.

You speak of a catalyst . . . . how many more do you need my friend. How big of a catalyst do you need. Catalyst is someone or something that brings about an event or change. There are events and people all around us that clearly define “catalyst” . . . PICK ONE

There is so much passivity here on Avalon and very little “action” or at least someone willing enough to jump in the middle of the weeds and cut a path.

Well I decided to “jump smack in the middle of the weeds” and begin to find the path that seems to be completely grown over with “denial”, “fear”, “passivity”, “confusion” “unwillingness” . . . . . .

We can pontificate and debate semantics ‘til the cows come home and it keeps us right where TPTB want us. Mollified and Manipulated

To find the road you must first be willing to take that first step.




Must one run out into the world, guns blazing and sword held firmly between the teeth, upon awakening?

What would be your perfect world? One in which you must prepare for every possibility no matter how remote? One in which you view tomorrow with trepidation?

Or one in which the universe provides everything that you need, even before you know you need it?

I sense much fear here. Be the change you desire. Give up the fear, it is what holds us back.

This is the change we should example to others. Then it matters not what markets or planets do. People will see us living our lives without fear and without constraints, and they will be drawn to do the same. It's the interaction with others that matters! It's how we treat each other.

Let us be slow to anger and quick to forgive. What a different world this would be if we all did this.

Why not create your paradise where you stand?

So yes, if you are the kind of person who is good at uniting a community and you feel the call to do so, then please do it. If you don't know what to do besides rattle your cage, perhaps it is not time yet and that is why I say to you- Patience.

Forget yesterday, it is gone
Don't worry about tomorrow, it may not even come.
Right here, right now, this moment, is all we ever truly have. Live in it, be at one with it.

I care not for the machinations of politicians, corporations, or banksters.
I turn my back on them. I cast off the chains of materialism.
I too have debt, but I will pay it off. And when that is done, I will never go back.
If enough of us do this one simple thing, they will cease to exist.
So you see, there are many small things that one can do that will add up in a big way.

My brothers and sisters- do not despair. The change you seek is upon us. It is much more subtle than you would have it be.
And that is why it is unstoppable.
When the wave crests, it will be too late for "them" to turn it back. They cannot turn it back anyway, because that would be against universal law and design.

There is a pattern upon which the universe is built. It can be visualized as a circle or the symbol for infinity. In fact, I find that the symbol for infinity is much more accurate a translation than the circle. Everything is cyclical but like a wave crashing in on itself.

At any rate, this is all just an illusion and great fun for spirits who have an eternity to fill.

Be well all and know that you are loved.

Surely the original, quoted text above is a valid opinion and is worthy of standing? At least I think so.



Charlie P

Evidently you do not read my posts in depth.

There are no guns blazin’ here or running and hiding. Only acknowledging the truth of what is happening in plain sight and being sensible and pragmatic.

You speak of a catalyst . . . . how many more do you need my friend. How big of a catalyst do you need. Catalyst is someone or something that brings about an event or change. There are events and people all around us that clearly define “catalyst” . . . PICK ONE

There is so much passivity here on Avalon and very little “action” or at least someone willing enough to jump in the middle of the weeds and cut a path.

Well I decided to “jump smack in the middle of the weeds” and begin to find the path that seems to be completely grown over with “denial”, “fear”, “passivity”, “confusion” “unwillingness” . . . . . .

We can pontificate and debate semantics ‘til the cows come home and it keeps us right where TPTB want us. Mollified and Manipulated

To find the road you must first be willing to take that first step.


Evidently I have made a mistake here. Please accept my apology.

I would consider it gracious of you if you would remove my quote from your post, thank you.

This reply is off topic, but I wanted to express my opinion / concern that, this being a discussion forum, all should feel free to discuss their opinions openly without fear (is that too strong a word? - 'worry' then).

Maybe I've just read too much into the last 2 responses :confused:

[gripreaper]

Pixie, Dust, I admire your passion, but to broad brush and say that no one is doing anything is not correct in my opinion. And be careful what you ask for. For example, Billy Foust was murdered on Fathers Day in Page Arizona for doing just what you advocate.

I'm saddened and heartsick over it. may Billy's legacy not be forgotten and may his soul ascend unto the glorious heights of the cosmos where love is all that is.

[Charlie Pecos]

***************

[PixieDust]

I feel the thread is spinning off topic.

Of course people are going to have different oppinions and truths and they may clash. That is the beauty of humanity and free will.

To each his own thought and own truth. If any more is going to be said then we need to pull back and get back to the topic on hand instead of scrutinizing each other opinions. All opinions are accepted with open arms, dont think i am suggesting i only want people to agree with me. Disagreement is greatly encouraged because thats how we grow, learn, and evolve. Im just asking to get back to figuring out how to do communties, people who are already creating them to give advice on how they accomplish/are working on them and if you dont think communities are a good move then suggest what else to do.

I never said i didnt think anyone was doing anything i just said i didnt see it. several memebers came out of the shadows and proved that there are people working towards it with the same mindset as mine and it is a goal worth accomplishing. Thats my take and my truth. To be warned that i will be murdered actually just fuels my fire towards it more.

If i start being harrassed by tptb then i take that as i challenged them and i'm doing something right. something they dont like. It makes me smirk. Im also not worried because im not running up and pulling the sleeping tigers tail, im trudging my own trail around the tigers lair.

Discussion and this forum are highly valuable and important. Gathering facts needs to continue. I never wanted to put this forum down or say that talking and discussion is bad. If i believed that i wouldn't have started a thread!

lets all take a deep clearing breath. :)

[Davy]

Must one run out into the world, guns blazing and sword held firmly between the teeth, upon awakening?

What would be your perfect world? One in which you must prepare for every possibility no matter how remote? One in which you view tomorrow with trepidation?

Or one in which the universe provides everything that you need, even before you know you need it?

I sense much fear here. Be the change you desire. Give up the fear, it is what holds us back.

This is the change we should example to others. Then it matters not what markets or planets do. People will see us living our lives without fear and without constraints, and they will be drawn to do the same. It's the interaction with others that matters! It's how we treat each other.

Let us be slow to anger and quick to forgive. What a different world this would be if we all did this.

Why not create your paradise where you stand?

So yes, if you are the kind of person who is good at uniting a community and you feel the call to do so, then please do it. If you don't know what to do besides rattle your cage, perhaps it is not time yet and that is why I say to you- Patience.

Forget yesterday, it is gone
Don't worry about tomorrow, it may not even come.
Right here, right now, this moment, is all we ever truly have. Live in it, be at one with it.

I care not for the machinations of politicians, corporations, or banksters.
I turn my back on them. I cast off the chains of materialism.
I too have debt, but I will pay it off. And when that is done, I will never go back.
If enough of us do this one simple thing, they will cease to exist.
So you see, there are many small things that one can do that will add up in a big way.

My brothers and sisters- do not despair. The change you seek is upon us. It is much more subtle than you would have it be.
And that is why it is unstoppable.
When the wave crests, it will be too late for "them" to turn it back. They cannot turn it back anyway, because that would be against universal law and design.

There is a pattern upon which the universe is built. It can be visualized as a circle or the symbol for infinity. In fact, I find that the symbol for infinity is much more accurate a translation than the circle. Everything is cyclical but like a wave crashing in on itself.

At any rate, this is all just an illusion and great fun for spirits who have an eternity to fill.

Be well all and know that you are loved.

Thanks Charlie, I see that world! this is how I feel, I see world where we love each other. Free from the lies and brainwashing, free from the slavery, ways of living that is beneficial for all, safe for the planet, a world where natural healing will be allowed to happen not controled by the drug companies, food that is safe to eat! And yes Fear is only in the mind anyhow, It has been used to control us in every way possible, when you realize the powers you really have then you also realize you have no reason to fear, because we are all the same!

[DoubleHelix]

I sense much fear here. Be the change you desire. Give up the fear, it is what holds us back.


Hey Charlie, really good post dude!

The above quote is why I perceive your post could of been taken the wrong way. The word Fear commonly invokes strong reactions. (we could probably designate a thread to it)

The Ruling Elite maintain there position with a vice-grip around our necks because the majority live there everyday lives in a state of fear and shortage. A fear to live up to the likes of movie stars, with great material and social acquisition. A fear that stems from seemingly never-ending mortgage payments.. and on and on.

Personally, I live a life devoid of all fear.. it keeps me in a state of heightened awareness and my focus razor-sharp. At the same time I'm a pro-active person by nature, so if something can be done then I'll be the first person to stick my hand up.

I can't speak for everyone but I guess the younger members of the forum probably feel somewhat agitated and likely feel the need to seek out a solution. Patience, something we could all do with a little more of, indeed sounds like a wise piece of advice. Could I ask you to speculate on how you believe a catalyst will be reached?

At the end of the day I have great trust in my higher self, so it will be.. what it will be.

[ThePythonicCow]

lets all take a deep clearing breath. :)
Good idea.

[72MAV27]

if i may throw in my 2 cents lol.

imho we as a group of "awakened" people need to take a real look in the mirror before trying to form communities. we don't want these communities to trun out the way many have in the past.

with that said i do agree with PixieDust for the most part. and i have thought about how to do this ever since i read the celestine prophecy about 6 years ago.

but to my earlier point. this is supposed to be a forum of "awakened" "enlightened" people. or whatever term you want to use. however, you can go to just about any thread, encluding this one, and see that there are still a lot of strong egos even here. it is the ego that makes you take offense to someone you probably don't even know over a post on the internet.

so imagine if you take those egos and put them together in real life. dealing with real life struggles and issues. then you try to get all those people to work together for a common cause. i think you see where i'm going

i am NOT saying it can't be done or it's not a good idea. i am symply saying that i haven't met many people that are REALLY READY for that kind of life style just yet. ego leads to anger. anger leads to resnetment and jealousy. that leads to division and so on....

i think that we need to remember that TPTB have been at this for a LONG time. their system is very strong pyschologically, mentally, financially and so on. so i think we really need to sit down and think about how to go about trying to do this. i don't think just gathering some "awakened" people and "going for it" is very wise.

but thats just my 2 cents. i could be very wrong

[Michelle Marie]

The assumption here is that people are talking and not doing anything. Consider the action that has been taken that is not spoken of so as not to draw attention to it. Actions that have already been taken but not advertised on the Internet may include those who have stopped playing the credit score game. (Who cares about the credit scores? The financial institutions who made them up have lost their credibility. The majority will catch on to that soon, if they haven't already.) Consider the number of people here who have stopped paying their credit card bills whether they were paid off or not, those who don't use credit cards, those who don't pay taxes or vote, those who are already growing food or collecting supplies to do so, those who are prepared to live as if they are camping, those who are already trading and bartering, those who are involved with practices to deepen intuitive perception and other inner technologies, those who rely mostly or in part on renewable energy sources, those who are learning new ways of being so that dependency on the government and old worn out financial institutions aren't necessary. There are those who walk and ride bikes more and are not totally dependent on gas-powered transportation. Many no longer own homes or pay property taxes. Silently, but powerfully, non-compliance is taking place.

By taking our attention (many have stopped watching tv) and energy (including money-voting with our pocketbooks) away from the old system, we are already creating something new.

Community building may not be complete yet, but it is happening. I'm experiencing and observing this shift in energy and attention--away from the old and building the new.

Action IS being taken.

[Michelle Marie]

BTW...sharing information and increasing AWARENESS is also taking action. It is the doorway to change. Awareness is the open door that lets the light in.

[PixieDust]

if i may throw in my 2 cents lol.



but to my earlier point. this is supposed to be a forum of "awakened" "enlightened" people. or whatever term you want to use. however, you can go to just about any thread, encluding this one, and see that there are still a lot of strong egos even here. it is the ego that makes you take offense to someone you probably don't even know over a post on the internet.

so imagine if you take those egos and put them together in real life. dealing with real life struggles and issues. then you try to get all those people to work together for a common cause. i think you see where i'm going




you make an excellent point! Ego is very stron still unfortunatly. Not with everyone though. Because of that the community i join or start i want to make sure we can get along even if ego still might be lurking around. Hopefully from there we can grow and expand, spiritually as well as physically.

Others may not feel this way, and from some of the responses they for sure don't, but I am ready to act now. My window is open and I better take it. I'm being pushed pulled prodded and smacked by my guides to do so. I have yet to find the location. I think a mountain range is the best location, for me, for right now. My mom is going to the apalachian mts but for some reason it doesnt feel right to me and i need to be independent from her and have my own community.

[Fred Steeves]

I feel strongly it is my responsibility to at least give the young people the biggest chance I can. It is my responsibility to teach, love and nurture and discipline. I feel it is our (the older ones) responsibility to bear as much of the burden as possible so the Younger Ones can move forward unfettered. The Young Ones came into this dimension and time with the wisdom and knowledge to move “us” forward into the new world and next dimension . . . . they must not be burdened or suppressed or made to “toe the line” and live in the same enslaved life . . . . the same pathetic illusion. This is what “they” want and have done for many many years.

It is not about Survival . . . . It is about Thriving

Couldn't agree with you more bluefire. I really don't care what happens to me personally, the vital thing is to sacrifice whatever it takes to give the young ones a fresh start. If I'm around to see it get going that would be great, if not, well that's o.k. too.

BTW, I'm not going anywhere. I have the usual supplies for just in case to last maybe 2-3 months, but this small town Florida cracker is making his stand right here, right now. No running from this, retreat forward.


Cheers,
Fred