New Andrew D. Basiago Radio Interview

[Scott]

New interview with Andrew, mostly same information as previous interviews but there are some cool tidbits spread throughout that are new details.

On May 20, 2010, Project Information Generation (P.I.G) Radio interviews Andrew D. Basiago.

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Andrew D. Basiago: Andrew is the team leader of Project Pegasus, Andrew D. Basiago, 48, is a lawyer, writer, and 21st century visionary. Andy is an emerging figure in the Disclosure Movement, who is leading a campaign to lobby the US government to disclose such controversial truths as the fact that Mars harbors life and that the United States has achieved "quantum access" to past and future events.

A past member of Mensa, the high IQ society, Andy holds five academic degrees, including a BA in History from UCLA and a Master of Philosophy from the University of Cambridge. While an undergraduate at UCLA, he became a journalist and protégé of editor Norman Cousins of the Saturday Review, who once compared him to Robert Hutchins and nominated him to be the Editor of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists.

He has been identified as the first of two major planetary whistle blowers predicted by ALTA, the Web Bot project that analyzes the content of the World Wide Web to discern future trends. Andy's writings place him at the forefront of contemporary Mars research. His paper The Discovery of Life on Mars, published in 2008, was the first work to prove that Mars is an inhabited planet. After publishing his landmark paper, Andy founded the Mars Anomaly Research Society.

Andy is also one of America's time travel pioneers. In the late 1960s and early 1970s, he was a participant in the secret US time-space program, Project Pegasus. He was the first American child to teleport and took part in probes to past and future events utilizing different forms of time travel then being researched and developed by DARPA. For ten years, Andy has investigated his experiences in Project Pegasus on a quest to prove them and communicate them to others.

Imagine a world in which one could jump through Grand Central Teleport in New York City, travel through a tunnel in the time-space continuum, and emerge several seconds later at Union Teleport in Los Angeles. Such a world has been possible since 1967-68, when teleportation was first achieved by DARPAs Project Pegasus, only to be suppressed ever since as a military secret. When my quest, Project Pegasus, succeeds, such a world will emerge, and human beings linked by teleportation around the globe will proclaim that the time-space age has begun.

Website: www.projectpegasus.net

[Decibellistics]

hey it's bill hicks at the beginning...das nice! lol

[Scott]

Ya Bill Hicks was ahead of his time for sure.

[3optic]

Recent comment by Andrew about upcoming PC interview:

Project Camelot and I have been in communication since January 2008. It'll happen. I have been planning a trip to London, so maybe Bill and I can meet there and do a video interview... Bill Ryan of Project Camelot is really a top tier interviewer, in my opinion. He listens closely, thinks, asks insightful questions, and when he does comment, it is to advance the flow of the interview. He is phenomenal! I hope to arrange a video interview with him this year.

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

Hoagland on Veritas called this guy disinfo last week...

hmmm

[3optic]

Here's (http://www.examiner.com/x-2912-Seattle-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2010m3d14-New-data-law-of-evidence-support-view-of-Mars-having-indigenous-intelligent-extraterrestrial-life) a rebuttal to Hoaglands earlier assertions.

[Scott]

Hoagland on Veritas called this guy disinfo last week...

hmmm

Everyone is allowed an opinion, of course its easy to understand why Richard would say that, if you think on it a bit :)

[3optic]

Everyone is allowed an opinion, of course its easy to understand why Richard would say that, if you think on it a bit :)

I'm interested to hear what you have to say about that. I'm less familiar with Hoagland than Basiago. Can you give me your take on his bias? We can leave the dreaded "d" word out of this discussion.

[Scott]

My opinion, being well familiar with both Richard & Andrew, is just that Richard is doing what is normal within academia.
Andrews work conflicts with Richards work & conclusions, therefor he refutes Andrews work as a matter of course to protect his own work.

Of course its much more complicated than this and any researcher can talk for days giving reasons & justifications as to why their theory looks to be correct even to the point of ridicule and name calling of other divergent researchers. This has been the case at least for as long as I've been a researcher in these fields (25 yrs) and I'm sure a great deal longer.

Funny side note story: Many moons ago when i was looking into some of Richards early work in reference to some research I was doing at the time, I had Richards home phone number and called it but Richard was doing a conference but the person who answered the phone gave me his Mobile number, which I called, Richard answered it and as it turns out he was On stage giving his lecture at the time haha "Whoops".

Needless to say he told me to call at another time :P

[Scott]

Video Lecture by Andrew.

ALIENEVENT 2012 CONFERENCE ANDREW D. BASIAGO, HUMANOID BEINGS AND ANIMAL SPECIES FOUND ON MARS, NOV 15, 2009, LOS ANGELES

http://vimeo.com/8511161

Enjoy!

[Daft Ada]

Thanks mate Very interesting. I liked the AlienEvent ones as well

[Scott]

New radio interview June 10 2010

The Deep Politics of Mars w/ guests: Andrew D. Basiago & Alfred Lambremont Webre
http://truthfrequencyradio.com/podcasts/truthfrequency_06-09-10_Basiago_Webre_128k.mp3

click to listen or right click and "Save link as" to download

enjoy

[Grizzom]

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Recent analysis of this photograph by the author utilizing imaging software available to the public has revealed evidence of humanoids, animals, statues, and structures in the West Valley below the Home Plate plateau, especially on the Tsiolkovski Ridge and in the northeast corner of the valley, where a field of turquoise blue forms can be seen that look like rocks but that are living entities.

The life forms contained in PIA10214 include humanoids with bulbous heads and elongated bodies, like those beings described in the UFO literature; animals still found on Earth, including lizards, frogs, snakes, alligators, and mantises; animals that once existed on Earth but are now extinct, including the reptile species plesiosaur, which has been advanced as a solution in the Loch Ness, Lake Champlain, and Lake Okanagan mysteries.

Animals that have never existed on Earth, including human-insect hybrids with multiple appendages like centipedes, termites, and silverfish, segmented bodies like scorpions, and larval bodies like Earth worms, fly larvae, and butterfly chrysalises.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/9861830/Andrew-D-Basiago-the-Discovery-of-Life-on-Mars-



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"Bigfoot looking for the Loch Ness monster on mars"



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I think Andrew caught a bad case of "Pixelitis" from

Richard C Hoagland and he needs to lay off the NyQuil!


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[Scott]

Andrew D. Basiago - Teleportation & Time Travel
NOVEMBER 30TH 2010
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Another new interview with Andrew Basagio, this is the entire interview : http://www.spectrumradionetwork.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=41&Itemid=181

[Ahkenaten]

OK let me add this about Mr. Bassagio/Basaggio, Basagio or whatever his name is.............................when I first heard his outlandish stories I did a little back-ground checking into him and discovered that this man had been a presenter at a conference at Santa Clara College in 2000 on the general topic of disinformation. The break-out session in which he participated as a presenter was something to the effect of the use of artistic "creations" (novels, MOVIE SCRIPTS, today this would include - BLOGS AND WEBSITES) as propaganda devices. CORRECTION/ADDITION - SEE SPECIFIC CONFERENCE AND BREAK OUT SESSION INFO IN MY POST #18 below)I then tracked Mr. Basagio, who is a lawyer practicing in the Pacific Northwest, down. As a lawyer, by the way, he is completely aware that spelling names differently in public venues is NOT merely an innocent mistake. Names are legal entities and I suggest to you that he has several identities. Anyway Mr. Bassagio/Basaggio/Basagio whatever-his-name is replied to my e-mail and admitted that, yes, in fact he WAS the presenter at that conference in the 80's. Now I ask you - how does such a person have any credibility whatsoever? He is a disinformation agent with a murky background and clouded motives.

[Bill Ryan]

Recent comment by Andrew about upcoming PC interview:

Project Camelot and I have been in communication since January 2008. It'll happen. I have been planning a trip to London, so maybe Bill and I can meet there and do a video interview... Bill Ryan of Project Camelot is really a top tier interviewer, in my opinion. He listens closely, thinks, asks insightful questions, and when he does comment, it is to advance the flow of the interview. He is phenomenal! I hope to arrange a video interview with him this year.

Yes - we're in close touch. Kerry and I spent the best part of a day with him back in August - the first time we'd physically met. We discussed his testimony in depth.


Project Camelot and I have been in communication since January 2008.Andy first contacted us in January 2008, and I spoke on the phone with him for over four hours in early February. That was pretty much Andy's first contact with anyone in the alternative media.

It was all off-record at that time. The importance of the conversation was that he basically confirmed the core of Henry Deacon's information - which is why he contacted us in the first place.


OK let me add this about Mr. Bassagio/Basaggio, Basagio or whatever his name is.............................when I first heard his outlandish stories I did a little back-ground checking into him and discovered that this man had been a presenter at a conference at Santa Clara College in the 1980's on the general topic of disinformation. The break-out session in which he participated as a presenter was something to the effect of the use of artistic "creations" (novels, MOVIE SCRIPTS, today this would include - BLOGS AND WEBSITES) as propaganda devices. I then tracked Mr. Basagio, who is a lawyer practicing in the Pacific Northwest, down. As a lawyer, by the way, he is completely aware that spelling names differently in public venues is NOT merely an innocent mistake. Names are legal entities and I suggest to you that he has several identities. Anyway Mr. Bassagio/Basaggio/Basagio whatever-his-name is replied to my e-mail and admitted that, yes, in fact he WAS the presenter at that conference in the 80's. Now I ask you - how does such a person have any credibility whatsoever? He is a disinformation agent with a murky background and clouded motives.

Could you kindly provide some links and references?

[Ahkenaten]

Hi Bill - I will go back into my files and see what I can dig up. Get back to you soon!

[Ahkenaten]

OK here is what I have so far - I contacted Mr. Basagio via the Project Pegasus website on January 8, 2010 to inquire whether he was the person who participated in the Conference entitled "Project on Ethics and Art in Testimony" (PEAT) sponsored by the Philosophy Department at Santa Clara Colllege in 2000. Specifically the two sessions I inquired as to whether he presented were entitled "Ethics of Political and Military Intelligence for Insiders and Outsiders," and "Life Consequences for Intelligence Operators Subject to Mind Control Techniques." He replied that indeed, yes, he had presented at that Conference.

Here are some links that may be helpful

http://www.peat-intel.org/activities/seminars/psychTorture.html

http://www.peat-intel.org/activities/seminars/insidersOutsiders00.html

[onawah]

I was intrigued by Basiagio's info inasmuch as it corroborated Henry Deacon's, but when I saw the photos that Basiago claimed were of animals and various other objects on Mars, I changed my opinion. His assertions as to what was in those photos were not at all credible, were in fact, ridiculous.

If disinformation is created in such a way as to first appear credible, then to appear ridiculous so as to disillusion and discredit those who are seeking truth, then I would say Basiago is a good example.

[Bill Ryan]

OK here is what I have so far - I contacted Mr. Basagio via the Project Pegasus website on January 8, 2010 to inquire whether he was the person who participated in the Conference entitled "Project on Ethics and Art in Testimony" (PEAT) sponsored by the Philosophy Department at Santa Clara Colllege in 2000. Specifically the two sessions I inquired as to whether he presented were entitled "Ethics of Political and Military Intelligence for Insiders and Outsiders," and "Life Consequences for Intelligence Operators Subject to Mind Control Techniques." He replied that indeed, yes, he had presented at that Conference.

Here are some links that may be helpful

http://www.peat-intel.org/activities/seminars/psychTorture.html

http://www.peat-intel.org/activities/seminars/insidersOutsiders00.html

Very many thanks - I'd like to ask Andy about that.

Do note that his participation in a conference about military intelligence and ethics doesn't necessarily imply anything fishy. He's been saying right from the start that he worked with the CIA when he was a child (and that his father had also been deeply involved) - and he knows a lot about the entire subject. Moreover, the PEAT web pages referenced didn't really clarify what the angle of the topics was.

Regarding the spelling of his name, you've not spelled it right either!


I contacted Mr. Basagio via the Project Pegasus website

I suspect, in fairness, that it's VERY common for people to mis-spell and mis-pronounce his name. It's Basiago... and he explained it [sort of] rhymes with 'Chicago'.

About his testimony, let me just say this: when I first spoke with him off-record for four hours in February 2008, the first person in the alternative media to do so, his testimony was about teleportation, the chronovisor, and time portal technology. He did not say at that point that he'd been to Mars, and as far as I'm aware he had not at that point recalled that.

His subjective reality of his having been to Mars was gained after February 2008. It's not something he's always known. He sometimes gives the impression he can remember that experience like you or I could remember where we went on vacation many years ago - but it wasn't like this.

These are recently recovered memories and his testimony about Mars needs to be considered and evaluated bearing that in mind. Having said that, he absolutely, sincerely, definitely believes that these events happened. He is not lying or hoaxing.

The teleportation accounts, which is what he spoke about in detail in our first conversation, I'm as sure as I can be are totally real.

When we met in August 2010, I spoke with him in detail about his Mars image analysis. I gave him my opinion that I don't believe the objects he sees in the images are really there, and I suggested that it was an error of judgment for him to have come out so strongly with his views when absolutely no-one else could see what he was claiming was there.

We had a fascinating discussion about this that would have made a great interview (except that it was all off-camera). We may be able to recreate it when Kerry and I finally do interview him - which is likely to be sometime in the first few months of 2011.

[Ahkenaten]

Hi Bill - Thanks for looking into this. The spelling "Basagio" I picked up from the Seminar Program whereas he apparently uses the name "Basiago" on his Pegasus website. I realize he has stated that he has been involved with the CIA.............it was his participation in a Conference sponsored by the Hoover Institute as a presenter that got my attention. He seems to be traveling in an unusual, to say the very least, milieu. He may be totally 100% sincere in what he believes may have occurred Bill, but I think his involvement in a Hoover Institute project (if you checked the links and went to the home page you know what I am referring to) raises some serious issues about what, exactly he is up to. Also I thought - though I am certainly not a hypnotist or psychologist or psychiatrist, that his run-on manner of speaking in his tapes seemed automatic and somewhat programmed.

[ronbono57]

Before one makes a snap judgment of Mr. Basagio, one should listen and look at ALL the material. Just because what he is saying is beyond possible in your mind in no way means it is. Start by listening to an over six hour recorded phone conversation where Mr. Basagio explains his entire history regarding teleportation, from a young boy until an adult. Then go to the two websites and really study the pictures from Mars and read his explanations. When I first looked at the pictures of Mars I saw very little of what he was saying was there, but later I found better blown up pictures with more detailed explanation and was able to see much of what Mr. Basagio is pointing out. I don't know Mr. Basagio except for one short phone conversation and some email conversation and found him quite nice and genuine. You really have to go through all the info before making judgments, in my opinion.

Remember how blown up those pictures are and you are not looking at anything you are used to seeing. The six hour phone conversation can be found on You Tube and/or one of Basagio's websites.

The mind is like a parachute, you know.

[Ahkenaten]

Actually Mr. Ronbono57 I spent quite a bit of time looking into this particular man including listening to his videos and looking into his background and associations so opinions expressed, though my own, definitely do not represent a "snap judgment" - merely another perspective on this intriguing character.

[ronbono57]

Sorry Mr. Ahkenaten I wasn't speaking of you or what you typed at all. I understand you had no way of knowing this but what I typed was not aimed at you what so ever.

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Actually Ahkenaten I think you make some thoughtful points. Thanks.

[onawah]

I listened to and read all the interviews with Basiago I could find online, and as I said, I thought he sounded very credible. His manner of speaking sometimes is strange, but I can understand how that could be if he has lost memories and has been subject to mind control, etc.
I look forward to hearing more about the photos and seeing any new evidence. I have an open mind, but the claims he made about the photos would give anyone pause, I think.
In this last interview, Webre's manner of speaking is also strange- he sounds very hesitant and unsure of himself, with lots of stammering.
They both sound rather wooden.

[Satori]

I have had two telephone conversations with Andrew Basiago. The first was just after Bush "won" the 2004 pResdential [s]election and the second a few years later when he came to New Mexico to try to determine whether his memories of being teleported (or whatever the term is) to Santa Fe, NM, as a child are real or false memories. I spoke to him for about two hours the first time. Only a few minutes the second time.

Bill, if you remember and deem it worthy of your time, ask Andrew if he recalls calling a lawyer in Albuquerque, NM, USA, who was referred to him by Ernest Garcia. Then ask him about Ernest Garcia. (I am that lawyer.) The story of Ernest Garcia is fascinating.

Although when Andrew called me the first time in late 2004 about the possibility of my launching a challenge in New Mexico to Bush's election results, we soon got to talking about Ernest, which then led to Andrew sharing with me at great length his experiences as a child. As I recall his father worked in some black op for the Fed and in that program Andrew would be teleported from back East to Santa Fe NM, usually to the front of the capitol building in Santa Fe, or to the PERA building near by. He also talked about Lamy, NM, which is near Santa Fe. He shared with me that on one occasion when he was teleported to Santa Fe, he buried a toy in the ground near Lamy so that when he was older he could return to that location and dig the toy up to prove that his memory was not false, but real. As I understand it, when Andrew was in New Mexico a few years ago (when he called me the second time) he was here to return to places like Lamy to dig up old toys and such seeking, and I think hoping, to verify his memories.

I recall that when I asked him about the technology involved to make teleportation possible, I expected him to rattle of a name like Einstein. But he did not. He said Tesla, Nikola Tesla. I had never heard of Tesla until my conversation with Andrew that day. Since then I have made it a point to look into Tesla.

He also spoke of Donald Rumsfeld being present when he, Andrew, was teleported to Santa Fe in the 1970s. He mentioned that Rumsfeld would have lunch with Andrew and his father and he emphasized a particular waitress that served them. He also spoke of Rumsfeld time/space traveling too and that Rumsfeld, in the 70s, had film or video of the WTC center collapsing on 9/11. Rumsfeld brought this footage from 2001 or so back to the 70s. I recall Andrew mentioning being with Rumsfeld and with other kids about Andrew's age in the basement of a building in Golden, New Mexico. Golden is along the Tourgoise Trial in NM, near Santa Fe.

The clear implication from what Andrew was telling me vis-a-vis Rumsfeld is that the PTB know the "future" because they have been there and back and travel to and fro. The PTB often seem so self-assured because they are. Their hubris comes from knowing (or thinking they know) what lies ahead; according to what I gathered from Andrew.

I was so intrigued by what Andrew was telling me that I found myself taking notes; which is my habit anyway. I kept these notes for awhile, but tossed them a year or so ago. I do not recall that he said anything about going to Mars when we spoke, but that does not mean anything one way or the other. There was a lot he did not share with me.

I found Andrew's story to be incredible; not in the sense of not credible, but in the sense of very hard to believe. However, everything he said had an internal cohesiveness and consistency. To me, what he was telling me was (is) either the truth as he sincerely understands it, or he was (is) a con man with a very good memory and a well-rehearsed script.

But, to quote Jerry Spence (I think): "I'd rather have a mind open to wonder, than one closed by belief." My mind is still open to Andrew Basiago.

[Bill Ryan]

I have had two telephone conversations with Andrew Basiago. The first was just after Bush "won" the 2004 pResdential [s]election and the second a few years later when he came to New Mexico to try to determine whether his memories of being teleported (or whatever the term is) to Santa Fe, NM, as a child are real or false memories. I spoke to him for about two hours the first time. Only a few minutes the second time.

Bill, if you remember and deem it worthy of your time, ask Andrew if he recalls calling a lawyer in Albuquerque, NM, USA, who was referred to him by Ernest Garcia. Then ask him about Ernest Garcia. (I am that lawyer.) The story of Ernest Garcia is fascinating.

Although when Andrew called me the first time in late 2004 about the possibility of my launching a challenge in New Mexico to Bush's election results, we soon got to talking about Ernest, which then led to Andrew sharing with me at great length his experiences as a child. As I recall his father worked in some black op for the Fed and in that program Andrew would be teleported from back East to Santa Fe NM, usually to the front of the capitol building in Santa Fe, or to the PERA building near by. He also talked about Lamy, NM, which is near Santa Fe. He shared with me that on one occasion when he was teleported to Santa Fe, he buried a toy in the ground near Lamy so that when he was older he could return to that location and dig the toy up to prove that his memory was not false, but real. As I understand it, when Andrew was in New Mexico a few years ago (when he called me the second time) he was here to return to places like Lamy to dig up old toys and such seeking, and I think hoping, to verify his memories.

I recall that when I asked him about the technology involved to make teleportation possible, I expected him to rattle of a name like Einstein. But he did not. He said Tesla, Nikola Tesla. I had never heard of Tesla until my conversation with Andrew that day. Since then I have made it a point to look into Tesla.

He also spoke of Donald Rumsfeld being present when he, Andrew, was teleported to Santa Fe in the 1970s. He mentioned that Rumsfeld would have lunch with Andrew and his father and he emphasized a particular waitress that served them. He also spoke of Rumsfeld time/space traveling too and that Rumsfeld, in the 70s, had film or video of the WTC center collapsing on 9/11. Rumsfeld brought this footage from 2001 or so back to the 70s. I recall Andrew mentioning being with Rumsfeld and with other kids about Andrew's age in the basement of a building in Golden, New Mexico. Golden is along the Tourgoise Trial in NM, near Santa Fe.

The clear implication from what Andrew was telling me vis-a-vis Rumsfeld is that the PTB know the "future" because they have been there and back and travel to and fro. The PTB often seem so self-assured because they are. Their hubris comes from knowing (or thinking they know) what lies ahead; according to what I gathered from Andrew.

I was so intrigued by what Andrew was telling me that I found myself taking notes; which is my habit anyway. I kept these notes for awhile, but tossed them a year or so ago. I do not recall that he said anything about going to Mars when we spoke, but that does not mean anything one way or the other. There was a lot he did not share with me.

I found Andrew's story to be incredible; not in the sense of not credible, but in the sense of very hard to believe. However, everything he said had an internal cohesiveness and consistency. To me, what he was telling me was (is) either the truth as he sincerely understands it, or he was (is) a con man with a very good memory and a well-rehearsed script.

But, to quote Jerry Spence (I think): "I'd rather have a mind open to wonder, than one closed by belief." My mind is still open to Andrew Basiago.

Many thanks indeed - most interesting and valuable.

This is most telling (and I believe may be true):


The clear implication from what Andrew was telling me vis-a-vis Rumsfeld is that the PTB know the "future" because they have been there and back and travel to and fro. The PTB often seem so self-assured because they are. Their hubris comes from knowing (or thinking they know) what lies ahead; according to what I gathered from Andrew.Kerry and I heard exactly this from Dan Burisch - before he was 'taken back' in the summer of 2009. In an off-record five-hour conversation with Dan in December 2007 - which several months later we summarized in what we still believe is an important report...

http://projectcamelot.org/t1v83.html

... Dan stressed that many politicians are merely actors playing out their roles, having been briefed about their 'destiny'.

The problem is that timelines sometimes do change - and therefore some politicians find themselves experiencing a few surprises.

:)

I'm personally convinced that this is continuing to happen: that unfolding events are no longer what was 'foreseen'. Dan Burisch stated that as well.

T1v83 [timeline 1, variant 83] (http://projectcamelot.org/t1v83.html) was all about the forthcoming WW III. Kerry and I became very concerned throughout 2008 that this really might happen, and gathered together 14 or 15 independent data points that seemed to indicate that.

But something changed: this never transpired.

Now, in the second half of 2010, I'm given to understand by an insider contact whom I consider to be very well-informed and reliable that indeed, a nuclear war will not now happen, and is no longer planned.

I fully believe this. I think we have other problems which are not yet resolved, but the nuclear war is off the table.

To put it another way, we're absolutely on a different timeline now, and there's no going back.

[marsiantourist]

Basiago's shilling for ''Al'' Gore doesn't exactly endear him to me, not to speak of causing a sudden drop in credibility. But then, Alfred isn't beyond suspicion, either. This of course is only my opinion and it may be caused by what I'd term a controversial choice of friends.

However, if the pictures we are shown by NASA are really taken on Mars there is not the slightest doubt that there is life on Mars. Why, then, does he only show pictures that do not show anything but blurry stuff that could be anything? There are real pics, you know! I tried for the first time to attach a pic, I hope you can see it to give you an idea what I'm talking about. A live animal would have been better, but these pics are too large, so I had to settle for a dead soldier of fortune with a camera attached to his helmet. Which brings us to the reason WHY the NASA clowns do not show unaltered pictures of Mars. Yes, it's because of what's going on there, and it's not funny.

[norman]

.....But something changed: this never transpired.

Now, in the second half of 2010, I'm given to understand by an insider contact whom I consider to be very well-informed and reliable that indeed, a nuclear war will not now happen, and is no longer planned.

I fully believe this. I think we have other problems which are not yet resolved, but the nuclear war is off the table.

To put it another way, we're absolutely on a different timeline now, and there's no going back......



I have a hard time believing in this "timeline" stuff but I'll keep my mind as free as possible to deal with it as further evidence comes along.

If multiple timelines are real, and we have taken a different 'road' recently, I would imagine that all data gathered by the PTB prior to the timeline shift has to be thrown away and that they are now frantically darting about between here and the new future gathering a new stock of data.

Any old leaks and whistleblowing relating to the old data are not much use to us now. We need to find out about the very latest stuff they are learning.

[Banshee]

I have a hard time believing in this "timeline" stuff but I'll keep my mind as free as possible to deal with it as further evidence comes along.

If multiple timelines are real, and we have taken a different 'road' recently, I would imagine that all data gathered by the PTB prior to the timeline shift has to be thrown away and that they are now frantically darting about between here and the new future gathering a new stock of data..

Perhaps its as simple (lol) as viewing this testimony in context with Einstein's theory of relativity.

[onawah]

Basiago's shilling for ''Al'' Gore doesn't exactly endear him to me, not to speak of causing a sudden drop in credibility. But then, Alfred isn't beyond suspicion, either. This of course is only my opinion and it may be caused by what I'd term a controversial choice of friends.

However, if the pictures we are shown by NASA are really taken on Mars there is not the slightest doubt that there is life on Mars. Why, then, does he only show pictures that do not show anything but blurry stuff that could be anything? There are real pics, you know! I tried for the first time to attach a pic, I hope you can see it to give you an idea what I'm talking about. A live animal would have been better, but these pics are too large, so I had to settle for a dead soldier of fortune with a camera attached to his helmet. Which brings us to the reason WHY the NASA clowns do not show unaltered pictures of Mars. Yes, it's because of what's going on there, and it's not funny.

A camera and a soldier? The photo just looks like a couple of rocks to me.

[Bill Ryan]

If multiple timelines are real, and we have taken a different 'road' recently, I would imagine that all data gathered by the PTB prior to the timeline shift has to be thrown away and that they are now frantically darting about between here and the new future gathering a new stock of data.

Any old leaks and whistleblowing relating to the old data are not much use to us now. We need to find out about the very latest stuff they are learning.

I do (at the moment) think this is the way it is.


Basiago's shilling for ''Al'' Gore doesn't exactly endear him to me, not to speak of causing a sudden drop in credibility. But then, Alfred isn't beyond suspicion, either. This of course is only my opinion and it may be caused by what I'd term a controversial choice of friends.

However, if the pictures we are shown by NASA are really taken on Mars there is not the slightest doubt that there is life on Mars. Why, then, does he only show pictures that do not show anything but blurry stuff that could be anything? There are real pics, you know! I tried for the first time to attach a pic, I hope you can see it to give you an idea what I'm talking about. A live animal would have been better, but these pics are too large, so I had to settle for a dead soldier of fortune with a camera attached to his helmet. Which brings us to the reason WHY the NASA clowns do not show unaltered pictures of Mars. Yes, it's because of what's going on there, and it's not funny.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=3152&stc=1&d=1291733481

This is the problem. These are just rocks.

[Ahkenaten]

But what if Mr. Basagio was part of an elaborate hoax..............for example, just hypothetically, what if the Hoover Institute and people associated with it had created a secret program in which certain people were selected and programmed through hypnotism, etc. to play roles in a real-life movie designed to reinforce certain ideas in the public mind. If that were true, and there is evidence unfortunately that the government and its contractors HAVE been deeply involved in these kinds of experiments, then the people involved would be absolutely convinced of the reality of their script regardless of how outlandish or implausible it might seem. Because THEY were absolutely convinced of the reality of their experiences anyone who spoke with them about it would tend to find the stories credible as well. The hypnotic effects would also provide anyone behind the scenes pulling the strings with the important plausible deniability one always encounters in these situaitons, making it impossible to track back to the underlying dynamics let alone the identities of the programmers. I personally found Dan Burisch to be one who may also fall into that category.............a friend of mine went to hear him speak and informed me that Burisch was, indeed 100% convinced of the truth of what he was saying and moreover his story had the 'internal cohesiveness' that APPEARS to make it credible and trustworthy.

I have the feeling that once one really started pulling on a thread in this particular tapestry, the entire fabric might start to unravel, revealing interconnections between individuals and narratives.

My question again is - why would ANYONE go to this extent to create this story (a major segment of the ET/UFO/OFF Earth Space Program info on the web)?????????? Is it a massive experiment of some kind? Is it an elaborate cover story and distraction for some other compelling truth that we are being constantly led away from? Is it an admixture of truth and fiction designed to confuse and bewilder? (I think this is more likely) or is it the Truth?

As an interesting coincidence on another thread - the old alien film which I am quite taken with by the way - in the interview with Victor, it looks like Victor is wearing a rubber head mask of Donald Rumsfeld. Is this some in-your-face message? (oops, now I AM getting carried away!) Also, I thought that the disguised voice of Victor sounded somewhat like Dan Burisch.

Now you know I have gone over the edge!! hehe

[Fredkc]

"Sometimes a cloud/rock/light/fuzzy dot is just a cloud/rock/light/fuzzy dot." - Sigmund Fred :)

In my patch of the world, there is no "man in the moon". But for some reason I cannot explain, I seem to be the only person who can see the tall, black stallion, reared up on two legs, facing to the left, that covers nearly 1/2 the moon's surface.

I have tried unsuccessfully dozens of times to get someone else to see it, it is as plain as the nose on my face. In fact, I can not see any other image there.
"What's wrong with you people??"

[Fredkc]

Perhaps its as simple (lol) as viewing this testimony in context with Einstein's theory of relativity.

"Then again, relativity may only be a local phenomena." - A. Einstein :)

[Ahkenaten]

Fred you are pretty funny. But wait - I can see the black stallion there in the background!

p.s.

The rorsach test is helpful for learning more about the beliefs and mindset of those projecting into objects they see

[Fredkc]

Rorschach tests confuse me.

Psychiatry seems to be about quantifying madness.
Psychology/Therapy about sitting with the 'victim' while they wallow in their malaise until they tire of it, and move on.

Healing is about who you really are, and where you wanted to go instead.

[Scott]

Ahkenaten

You mentioned when you emailed Andy about his involvement in a conference, he replied "Yes", knowing Andy for a couple of years now he never gives one word answers, i would be interested in the rest of his reply :)

As far as Andy being scripted, this is possible i suppose although Andy also claims to have a highly retentive memory not to mention the number of times he has relayed his account on paper and in interviews.
You eventually get to the point where you can relate a personal event in your sleep :P

In any event, it will all shake out eventually.

[Ahkenaten]

Hi Aztar - He very cordially acknowledged my query and said that he had been there. I actually went looking in my e-mails for his reply but unfortunately I had deleted it. All I could find in my records was a snapshot of my query to him at the Pegasus website message box. My question to him was simply --- as I said earlier in this thread - basically, were you the guy who presented. I wasn't sure if he was because the names were spelled differently. I was trying to ascertain whether the two names were the same person, and I think I established that. The conversation didn't go any further than that as I recall. If I knew him I would ask him about the different spelling and what that is about, and also why he doesn't post any live video of himself on You Tube, but only posts that photo - just curious.

I am not claiming to have any gigantic insights into any of this...............it is just that when I encountered the material, it seemed - aside from the extraordinary claims being made - odd in some way I couldn't put my finger on.

During that period I was doing some extensive research into the threads connecting various narratives and individuals involved in the whole ET/UFO/Secret Space Program area and stumbled upon what began to look like a pattern of interconnectivity between narratives, particular claims, and what appeared to be social connections between individuals. While none of these connections and patterns necessarily imply any conspiracy or anything like that - some of it did begin to look odd to me, especially when some of the individuals were using others' similar narratives to "corroborate" their own stories. That is when I went down the rabbit hole.

If I were an artist I would provide you with a picture of those interconnections - and frankly the pattern is beginning to resemble either a Spirit Catcher if you know what that is, or a cat's cradle.

Maybe I should be an artist!! Anyway my project is ongoing and I have not come to any conclusions yet - but the interconnections are interesting.

I keep coming back to this: IF there were deliberate interconnections between the narratives and individuals - WHY? WHY would anyone go to this trouble? WHAT would someone be trying to advance while at the same time trying to conceal the interconnectivity?

But - going back to the Rorsach test, perhaps my efforts to see patterns in an ink blot tell more, finally, about ME than it does about anything else.

And yet - I am still interested in getting to the TRUTH.

[Scott]

Ahkenaten

Its all good, keep digging, just be careful of invented connections syndrome that can stem from very real connections with self invented meaning.

The universe is a grand elusive adventure that may well conform holographically to our wandering perceptions, its a fine play really, I'm on the edge of my seat wondering where the next twist in the story will pop up.

Andrew is on video, I may or may not have mentioned this before but If your interested here is the link: http://vimeo.com/channels/alienevent#8511161

There is also a Video series done by Jaime Maussan on YouTube with Andy & Alfred Webre available here: CicijDOn9tw

I will ask Andrew about the conference you mentioned and get a detailed response that may help add to your information base.

Cheers!

P.S The YouTube version of our interview with Andy should be up in a day or so, I will post it here when I get a chance :)

[marsiantourist]

A camera and a soldier? The photo just looks like a couple of rocks to me.

Hi onawah. I know these pictures take a little time to get used to. What is visible in that pic from Sol 482 taken by the Mars rover Spirit is a helmet buried in the sand up to the cheekbones, the right-hand eye socket is a little lower than the left-hand one. Symmetrical eye sockets and nasal cavity can be discerned. On the left side of the helmet there is what looks like a camera. Contrast has been played with, white splotching added. The software used by Malin is the same Google Earth is displaying in their pics of whatever Earth they purportedly show. I added a little color to highlight detail. Yellowish marks the eye sockets, reddish the point where the breather valve should be, blueish what looks like a camera to me.

Why I think it shows what I am inferring? This guy didn't get numbered ''seven'' by me for kicks. Number two has a bullet hole in the helmet. Number one is still wearing a Gentex helmet, including integrated oxygen supply, and so on. As I said, either these pics are not taken on Mars but somewhere else where somebody can let loose his perverted fantasies or they are outright fakes. However, this isn't just a bunch of rocks. Military men being the slobs they are, Mars is littered with army material like helmets (the Advanced Combat Helmet Nato is also using), boots, ammo boxes and other stuff. There are a lot of small scavenger animals where these pics are taken because, as in Vietnam, only helmets are left of casualties because they cannot be cracked. Sometimes the heads are still in them.

I think Basiago is tasked to divert attention from this. From the interview: "... even if Mars were not populated, it should be protected..." this quasy-quote is revealing, I think. Like: "We must kill the Earth's population to protect the planet" and other psychopathic stuff uttered by diverse luminaries. Basiago believes what he's saying, though at times his programming seems to run a little thin. Small wonder, ANY intelligence must be crying out loud when forced to utter phrases like: "...courageous Al Gore...", if you care to follow my thinking. Courageous because he's been tasked to shake us down even more? This is indefensible. And mining rights in our Solar System have not been given to messrs Resnick, Cramer, and O'Neil, for nothing (http://www.specintel.com/marsROC/index.htm).

No reason to get wild, just what I'm making of this. In my book there will not be any constraints on pics, then you will see if you care to.

Our Solar System is a great and crowded place. We here on Earth are the only ones not supposed to know about this. The only quarantine supposedly imposed on us is inferred by those who want everything for themselves.

[Bill Ryan]

Hi onawah. I know these pictures take a little time to get used to. What is visible in that pic from Sol 482 taken by the Mars rover Spirit is a helmet buried in the sand up to the cheekbones, the right-hand eye socket is a little lower than the left-hand one. Symmetrical eye sockets and nasal cavity can be discerned. On the left side of the helmet there is what looks like a camera.

But only if you've already been front-loaded about what to look for.

The way the mind works (which is why not front-loading is so important when giving targets to remote viewers) is that we all automatically place filters in our perception so that when we expect patterns to manifest, then they do so.

In short, we see what we expect to (and hear what we expect to, find evidence to support what we believe is real - etc etc).

I talked with Andy Basiagoi at length about this and told him he'd made an error when he at the same time said that what he was presenting was evidence and also had to tell people what to see.

You can't have it both ways!

I suggested to him that what would have been far more convincing was to get an un-frontloaded focus group of 15-20 people and ask then ask them what they saw in the photos in which Andy insisted there were skulls, animals, statues, artifacts, buildings, etc.

If no-one (or very few people) saw anything remarkable without being prompted, then this could not be regarded as evidence. It would only be a minority perceptive opinion. But if everyone (or a significant majority) saw what Andy was seeing, then it was could be said to be 'real' - or potentially so.

Remember, reality is what is agreed to be there. It's a perceptive minefield. Because Andy is a trained lawyer, and his own modus operandi is to persuade people with evidence, he (in my opinion) fell into the trap of arguing too strongly for the existence of things which most other people could not see.

Then, because in this 'court' we're in (the 'court' of UFO/ET evidence), PR counts more than the 'objective truth', he was laughed at when he made his image analysis claims.

None fo this is derogatory to Andy. I've told him all of this in person, and the discussion we had would have made for a fascinating interview (which we hope will happen in 2011). My view is firm that he was mistaken in trying to persuade people about "Life on Mars" using the image analysis route.

Much better would have been for him to tell his personal story - although this too has become more detailed over time, and I regard his much more limited (but still highly important) testimony from my initial conversation with him in February 2008 as the most reliable and credible.

[str8thinker]

Bill, you hit the nail on the head. I don't care if Basiago is a bloomin' genius or not. If he starts making dogmatic assertions like this, he is either out to promote himself to gullible people, or he is paid disinfo, or both, just like so many others we know.

[Scott]

Personally I am more interested in the Teleportation & Time Travel aspect of Andy's story, I am not an image expert nor have I spent 1000+ hours studying PIA10214 so I stay away from Image analysis related opinions, I just do not have the eyes for it I guess, I see rocks.

[Bill Ryan]

Bill, you hit the nail on the head. I don't care if Basiago is a bloomin' genius or not. If he starts making dogmatic assertions like this, he is either out to promote himself to gullible people, or he is paid disinfo, or both, just like so many others we know.

Actually, I think it's the third option.

He wanted to offer his teleportation testimony in detail (and had been planning to do this for at least two years), but - thinking as a practicing lawyer - felt that his personal story would be too incredible to believe without some kind of proof.

So he tried to gather together 'proof' using the Mars images - as a precursor to his more sensational personal revelations.

My own opinion, and that of Kerry, is that was a mistake... because by the time he got to his personal revelations (which I believe have significant credibility: at least the teleportation stories, which are detailed and contain names, dates and places) he was already regarded as a crackpot (or as best, naive) by most serious ET researchers.

As I said above, it's all about PR. After people have already made up their minds, it doesn't matter what you say.

[Scott]

Ok just finished uploading the YouTube version of the Interview with Andy.

Enjoy!

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[Ahkenaten]

Thanks so much, Aztar. And I agree that you are totally, 100% correct about the invented connections syndrome in fact I am always admonishing others to be careful of it.............I am waiting for your update! On the invented connections issue, unfortunately it is all too human to press for what I call the GRAND THEORY OF EVERYTHING - it is kind of hard-wired into our cognitive functions probably enhanced by neural linguistic programming. Again - I am playing devil's advocate here - all in the name of transparency, honesty and truth and am totally open to whatever takes us there together! Ahk

[Ahkenaten]

I have had two telephone conversations with Andrew Basiago. The first was just after Bush "won" the 2004 pResdential [s]election and the second a few years later when he came to New Mexico to try to determine whether his memories of being teleported (or whatever the term is) to Santa Fe, NM, as a child are real or false memories. I spoke to him for about two hours the first time. Only a few minutes the second time.

Bill, if you remember and deem it worthy of your time, ask Andrew if he recalls calling a lawyer in Albuquerque, NM, USA, who was referred to him by Ernest Garcia. Then ask him about Ernest Garcia. (I am that lawyer.) The story of Ernest Garcia is fascinating.

Although when Andrew called me the first time in late 2004 about the possibility of my launching a challenge in New Mexico to Bush's election results, we soon got to talking about Ernest, which then led to Andrew sharing with me at great length his experiences as a child. As I recall his father worked in some black op for the Fed and in that program Andrew would be teleported from back East to Santa Fe NM, usually to the front of the capitol building in Santa Fe, or to the PERA building near by. He also talked about Lamy, NM, which is near Santa Fe. He shared with me that on one occasion when he was teleported to Santa Fe, he buried a toy in the ground near Lamy so that when he was older he could return to that location and dig the toy up to prove that his memory was not false, but real. As I understand it, when Andrew was in New Mexico a few years ago (when he called me the second time) he was here to return to places like Lamy to dig up old toys and such seeking, and I think hoping, to verify his memories.

I recall that when I asked him about the technology involved to make teleportation possible, I expected him to rattle of a name like Einstein. But he did not. He said Tesla, Nikola Tesla. I had never heard of Tesla until my conversation with Andrew that day. Since then I have made it a point to look into Tesla.

He also spoke of Donald Rumsfeld being present when he, Andrew, was teleported to Santa Fe in the 1970s. He mentioned that Rumsfeld would have lunch with Andrew and his father and he emphasized a particular waitress that served them. He also spoke of Rumsfeld time/space traveling too and that Rumsfeld, in the 70s, had film or video of the WTC center collapsing on 9/11. Rumsfeld brought this footage from 2001 or so back to the 70s. I recall Andrew mentioning being with Rumsfeld and with other kids about Andrew's age in the basement of a building in Golden, New Mexico. Golden is along the Tourgoise Trial in NM, near Santa Fe.

The clear implication from what Andrew was telling me vis-a-vis Rumsfeld is that the PTB know the "future" because they have been there and back and travel to and fro. The PTB often seem so self-assured because they are. Their hubris comes from knowing (or thinking they know) what lies ahead; according to what I gathered from Andrew.

I was so intrigued by what Andrew was telling me that I found myself taking notes; which is my habit anyway. I kept these notes for awhile, but tossed them a year or so ago. I do not recall that he said anything about going to Mars when we spoke, but that does not mean anything one way or the other. There was a lot he did not share with me.

I found Andrew's story to be incredible; not in the sense of not credible, but in the sense of very hard to believe. However, everything he said had an internal cohesiveness and consistency. To me, what he was telling me was (is) either the truth as he sincerely understands it, or he was (is) a con man with a very good memory and a well-rehearsed script.

But, to quote Jerry Spence (I think): "I'd rather have a mind open to wonder, than one closed by belief." My mind is still open to Andrew Basiago.

I have to say that this Rumsfeld bit is really odd, don't you think? Or is it just me.

[charlesfrith]

I'm struggling with this guy so if you have any context that will help. First of all he's ex govcorp/intelligence offspring and that's always a bad start. Then he always talks about his degrees. I wouldn't mind that but he doesn't actually say anything provocatively intelligent or even close to profound. Just a story about teleportation with no pics. I'd expect a decent philosophical viewpoint on the matter of free energy vs fossill fuels from an M Phil from Oxford but he just doesn't deliver. Can you help me out or is he just disinfo?

[Makoto]

Bill, I also met Andy a few times and discuss all pertaining the subjects continuously with him for a few days at a time last year of 2010. Please remember that possible mind control or torture he went through after the training program one’s mind (Did he tell you about the incidence that the medical technician put needles into his spine to have him forget experience with pain and the most of his class mate of few friends he knows from the project out of 140 elementary students cannot remember when he called them again a few times after phone discussion or so, their memory about the subject disappear while they are talking in span of a week or so) and the brain function can be enhanced or altered, I do not have to remind you that. Stewart told me some time as you can see in the case of i.e. Tiger wood, visual acuity will increased up to 8 times (800%) also in case of super soldier, human recording machine, extremely high IQ, etc , Maybe the way his visual cognitive process is different. Andy is not seeing and understanding what we are looking at. He only wanted to use the laptop (HP) has special visual output chip (special algorithm chip and no longer manufacturing) for his presentation and saying that this one has much clear output. Unfortunately, he could not secure the laptop from the ebay after his first one was broken. And also he might have remember how some of the statue or living creature he saw on the surface in close proximity from his direct experience, that would give him different visual prospect as well. That being said, he is a bit stubborn side I admit that though…
Also in the radio Ed said he does not have memory as being Andy and his friend and Obama’s instructor, but Al bielek and Stewart both said Military often use time loop to create the secondary time line to do some black op job/research. Sometime the person does not remember what happen in the other time line. Some do after age 40 or so… I think Andy did that by himself 1968 or something he spent two summers of the same year differently, I do not remember which year it was.. anyway just a thought.

[charlesfrith]

I have to always point out that Basagio is mind wiped and programmed to kick in with increasing amounts of information as we're seeing. Futhermore he's got five degrees including an Masters of Philosophy from Oxford and he's never said an interesting sentence from a philosophical point of view or written anything thought provoking. He's primed for big time and time will prove me (http://www.charlesfrith.com) right or wrong in the next six months or so.