The Third Secret of Fatima - Father Paul Kramer

[ktlight]

The Gates Of Hell Shall Not Prevail...

The third secret of fatima.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoPi5p8_cXI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoPi5p8_cXI

[Maia Gabrial]

Thank you ktlight. Religion is one controversicial topic.
I'd have alot to say against what he brought up, but I'll be nice....

[greybeard]

45 minutes into the video and none the wiser as to the 2nd part of the third secret.
The big turn off is the promoting the Catholic Church as the only savior.
The only Church of God
Very sad really.
Oh well heaven help those who believe that.
Cant remember reading anywhere that Jesus was a Catholic --- smiling.

C

[Midnight Rambler]

Dear Greybeard,

I see what you are saying here, but I wonder what the Catholic Church would be like without the masonic dominance over the church. :tape:

Just a thought.

-edit-

And another thought of mine...

I saw the whole thing and I got the impression as if he was attacked in some psychic way. For those interested it happens IMHO just before he pours himself a glass of water.

[greybeard]

Dear Greybeard,

I see what you are saying here, but I wonder what the Catholic Church would be like without the masonic dominance over the church. :tape:

Just a thought.

-edit-

And another thought of mine...

I saw the whole thing and I got the impression as if he was attacked in some psychic way. For those interested it happens IMHO just before he pours himself a glass of water.


I have nothing against the Catholic faith or Catholics.
I have since listened to the rest of it and he makes some points which are probably valid regarding New World Order and the Masons.
Yes the Church would have been different devoid of infiltration.

Most important
His last statement is clear that in spite of everything Good will triumph.
I believe that to be so.

Chris

[RedeZra]

Kramer is a Jew so beware of truth twistings when posing as a priest ; )


it's hard to take anybody serious that still believes that planes took down the Twin Towers

besides he is blaming everything on Masonry and even says the Anti-Defamation League is not Jewish but Masonic

he sees a WW III coming between what he perceives as evil Russia-China against the USA her allies


all in all easy to see through this little disinformation speak ; )

[Ria]

At least the sermon was more challenging than some, BUT DID'NT HALF BORE THE PANTS OFF ME.

[Marikins]

I saw the whole thing and I got the impression as if he was attacked in some psychic way. For those interested it happens IMHO just before he pours himself a glass of water.
I thought the same thing. Even though his religious views are parochial, he was very brave and defiant to make such a statement about the involvement of Masons at high levels in the Vatican. I also found it moving at the very end he speaks of the Divine Mother Mary triumphing and I can't help but think of the divine feminine and compassion triumphing.

[kersley]

Thank you ktlight. Religion is one controversicial topic.
I'd have alot to say against what he brought up, but I'll be nice....

I know what you mean, I'll wait for you to go first..:cool:

[ktlight]

Thank you ktlight. Religion is one controversicial topic.
I'd have alot to say against what he brought up, but I'll be nice....

I know what you mean, I'll wait for you to go first..:cool:

Religions, families, education (we call it that but it isn't) are the three main sources of indoctrination, which we spend a lot of time undoing. It is tackled best through understanding the nature of thought.

[Teakai]

Imagine - we're all pretty much aware of the third secret of Fatima before listening to the video.

Though I think the infiltration began long before he thinks it did.

The bible records the astro theological roots of the religions. All steered beneath the surface.

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I thought the same thing. Even though his religious views are parochial, he was very brave and defiant to make such a statement about the involvement of Masons at high levels in the Vatican. I also found it moving at the very end he speaks of the Divine Mother Mary triumphing and I can't help but think of the divine feminine and compassion triumphing.

Me too. I actually googled to see if he was still around.

There is a possibility that the ptb want this information in the public eye.
Could be a red herring - a framing of free masons, perhaps? Not likely that the 'real powers' will be identified.

[Teakai]

Dear Greybeard,

I see what you are saying here, but I wonder what the Catholic Church would be like without the masonic dominance over the church. :tape:

Just a thought.

-edit-

And another thought of mine...

I saw the whole thing and I got the impression as if he was attacked in some psychic way. For those interested it happens IMHO just before he pours himself a glass of water.

Think of the inquisition - which is before the father in the video thought infiltration took place.
I personally think infiltration started at the very beginning of Christianity as an organised religion.

[Billy]

Thank you Ktlight, I have to download the video to watch later so i can't comment yet. But i would like to bring everyones attention to what Mother Mary announced when she appeared to six children in Bosnia in 1981, 30yrs ago last saturday 25th june.

She said that her appearance in Bosnia was the completion of her appearance in Fatima. and that although she will be appearing in different countries at this time, These appearences will be the last in our times. She has given the six visionaries 10 secrets each. 60 in total that have to be revealed at the appointed time given.

So i would say that the secrets of Fatima are complete and no longer revelent today, And what will be announced concerning the secrets of Bosnia is more significant for our times. I first visited the Bosnian shrine in 1985 and continued visiting until 1996, finding myself involved in the war that Mother Mary came to warn the world about and said in 1981 that this war did not have to happen if the world came together with intentions of peace. humanity did not respond to her call.

I also had the most wonderful experiences with Mother Mary high on the mountain with the visionaries in 1985. When she allowed me to see her arrive, walked over to me and gave me a personal blessing. and i was the only non catholic present amongst the 30 people there.

A day i will treasure in my heart forever.

MIR

[Billy]

I watched the video and i think this priest is a very brave man, It is good to see a priest aware of the Masonic inflitration of the church and the world and willing to get it out there.
Much of what he said was his own intrepration and i did not agree with some of what he said. He has done his research but he needs to research more of Jesus's missing years, maybe then he would be more open and less judgmental regarding other religions. In Father Pauls view someone like Ghandi will not see heaven because he was not a Catholic, Bollocks :fish:

[Billy]

I hope you dont mind me posting the latest messages on the 30th Anniversary from Mother Mary in Bosnia here,

Update from Medjugorje - 30th Anniversary

Today, June 25, 2011, the village of Medjugorje was filled with multitudes of pilgrims who came to celebrate the 30th anniversary of the apparitions. In addition to the many pilgrims who traveled from around the world for the event, thousands of Croatian teenagers began walking last night and arrived in droves this morning at St. James church.

After the evening Mass that was attended by people from every continent, five of the visionaries prayed together on the altar. The only one absent was Vicka, who was injured recently while speaking to pilgrims. By the end of the day, Ivanka had experienced her annual apparition, and Marija had received the message for the world, which was transmitted as follows:

"Dear children! Give thanks with me to the Most High for my presence with you. My heart is joyful watching the love and joy in the living of my messages. Many of you have responded, but I wait for, and seek, all the hearts that have fallen asleep to awaken from the sleep of unbelief. Little children, draw even closer to my Immaculate Heart so that I can lead all of you toward eternity. Thank you for having responded to my call."

According to the official Medjugorje website:

The visionary Ivanka Ivankovic-Elez had her regular annual apparition on June 25th 2011. At Her last daily apparition on May 7, 1985, Our Lady confided to Ivanka the 10th secret and told her that she would have an apparition once a year on the anniversary of the apparitions. It was that way also this year. The apparition, which lasted 8 minutes, took place at Ivanka’s family home. Only Ivanka’s family was present at the apparition. After the apparition, Ivanka said: “Our Lady spoke to me about the first secret and, at the end, said: ‘Dear children, receive my motherly blessing.’”

Last night, June 24, 2011, on Apparition Hill, Our Lady appeared to the visionary Ivan for 13 minutes. She came in a gold dress, accompanied by three angels, and gave the following message:

"Dear children, also today I rejoice together with you. Also today, in joy, I call you: accept my messages and live my messages. May my messages become life. Build them into your lives. May they be food on your life’s journey. Know, dear children, that I am with you when it is most difficult for you, that I encourage and console you, that I intercede before my Son for all of you. Therefore, dear children, persevere in prayer and do not be afraid. Follow me without fear. Thank you, dear children, also today, for having accepted me again and having accepted my messages, for living my messages."

*Stay tuned to our website, http://www.medjugorjelive.org, for more updates, photos and videos about the anniversary.

[Maia Gabrial]

Wasn't most of Jesus' teachings hijacked?
Anyway, this priest spoke about his hatred for the masons. And that they needed to be wiped off the face of the earth. Now, isn't that a lovely thing to say from a guy who's supposed to be preaching the love of God?