Banned members - should we have an amnesty

[loveandgratitude]

Should there be an amnesty for the members who have been banned?

If so, how could we implement this? This is an open discussion and coming from the best intent to all.

I was just thinking about those members who were banned not for a bunch of outrageous behavior over a short period of time, but for those who were banned with a somewhat-decent record. Of course, this forum will probably be around for many years to come. If, after years when the member has grown up and, hopefully, grown more mature, might such members be allowed back? Perhaps, on a probationary period?

How do others feel about this topic? I know that I miss some members and loved their imput. Please keep comments polite and on topic. This thread is not about who and why they were banned but rather about how and could someone that was banned re-apply and under what conditions.

I was feeling that this may be a healing for AVALON and a way to move forward without bad ill. If the moderators think I should drop this thread I will. This thread is not about stirring the pot but more about allowing forgiveness and strength.

[pilotsimone]

I felt the forum jump in vibration when it moved from PA1 to PA2...and again when several members left the forum earlier this year...and again around the time the Inelia interview came out. I don't know the effect of reinstating banned members, but am certainly open to it. If it goes well, history says the vibration will rise. If it goes poorly, history says the vibration will rise. Seems like a win-win if we do. :)

[DeDukshyn]

I would just think a quality re-application would get some serious gears thinking on whether a member should allowed back or not ... That's what I would do if banned and I wanted back, or to clarify what I felt was a wrong.

[aranuk]

I don't really know why some members were banned as I came here as a provisional member in late March I think. I will know the exact date after I have posted this. However they were banned before I knew them. So I will reserve my opinion until I know why they were banned. So L&G who do you think should be re-instated here and why?

Stan

[Carmody]

I'm really not desiring to see this forum's ass tied in knots. Again.

Put the subject down. Walk away.

I'm done with this, right now, as I was done with the last 'talks'.

The forum is working again---- so leave it working.

Don't have it spend another two months chasing/grabbing it's ass again.

[Snowbird]

This is a difficult subject. Personally, I know some of those who were outright banned, but there are others who were banned and I have no idea what was the reason(s).

There are some who were banned who evidently are so angry on other forums that they are anticipating the demise of PA.

How does one determine who is allowed to return and who is not? I would not want to make that decision.

[Rocky_Shorz]

well, probation with the stated rule from the beginning NO MUD ON THE RUGS... kick your shoes off at the door and welcome back... ;)

the will of God is Peace and may all who enter find it...

[Ria]

Dear Bill,
There may be merit, in asking back one or two people that were uneasy with what was happening earlier this year, with good reason it seems.
I do not know all the in's and out's. I trust the team would know more, and would naturally do the right thing.

[Nasu]

I think that although this is Bills party, in some ways it reflects our dis unity as a collective and reflects the many differing views on punishment for those who do not abide or conform by collective accepted rules.

Some banned members actions will prohibit them from return, but if there is a grey area, I would hope the mods lent towards compassion, towards forgiveness.

Recently I was contacted in by a member who had been "vacationed" for a while. In an unrelated incident the member in question posted something negative about me, but it was funny so I brushed it off.

Anyway when they returned from their vacation" they sent me a pm to apologize, they didn,'t need to, but I was impress that they did, perhaps for their own cathartic reasoning, but none the less well intentioned. The actions of a just person. We all make mistakes. To forgive, divine.

My own personal view is that if a member re inlists and would apologize for their actions, whether they felt they were just or not, we should at least consider taking them back. A heartfelt apology, what else do we really have without it?… N

[Steven]

I have been moderator here long enough to let you know it is unfortunatly a 'pandora's box'. For the moderators, who are busy keeping up with the pace, and their day-to-day life, it wouldn't be a good idea. Great Spirit bless them. Just think a moment all the drama produced 'once again' by reinstating banned members; who will who won't... A lot of energy for very modest impact with high risk of falling in drama, once again. Keep focused on a New Paradigm!

Namaste, Steven

[Rocky_Shorz]

I'm talking the Bashi type members, not the Bashing members... ;)

[Steven]

I'm talking the Bashi type members, not the Bashing members... ;)

Bashi wasn't banned. He left. Maybe that's the confusion many people are having, lately I have seen a lot of people leaving, not banned.

Namaste, Steven

[Rocky_Shorz]

so anyone retired is allowed to come back if they change their minds?

[Steven]

so anyone retired is allowed to come back if they change their minds?

Im not in the secrets of the mods :) but I guess that the team would ask the person as to why the volte-face? Because, you can leave without asking the membership to be 'erased'.

Namaste, Steven

[Anno]

If the reason they were banned is that they were anti-charles whilst the forum was pro-charles, then I would say as the forum has now changed position and is also anti-charles, the reason behind the ban is void and it should be lifted.

Amnesty needs to be requested and should be applied equally to both parties. The perceived wrong-doer and the perceived wronged must both forgive each other. A total cease in all hostilities both ways must happen before any genuine amnesty can take place.

[greybeard]

I'm talking the Bashi type members, not the Bashing members... ;)

Bashi wasn't banned. He left. Maybe that's the confusion many people are having, lately I have seen a lot of people leaving, not banned.

Namaste, Steven

Sorry but bashi was un-subscribed.
Paul spoke of it in a thread and gave the reason
One of the Niburu planet x ones. I think.

I have had e mail conversation with bashi
He is ok about it.

I am fairly friendly with quite a few who went that way.
I dont get the impression they want to come back.
All is as it should be.
Why worry.

Chris

[DeDukshyn]

Can someone create a list of banned members that want to come back and the reasons they feel so? Through all this time, all these discussions, arguments, threads and posts I have not known of one banned member who wanted back (not to say they don't exist , but who are these members?) If nobody knows who wants to come back and why they feel they should then the continuance of these types os threads are a waste of HD space and web bandwidth ... IMO. Peace.

[Steven]

I'm talking the Bashi type members, not the Bashing members... ;)

Bashi wasn't banned. He left. Maybe that's the confusion many people are having, lately I have seen a lot of people leaving, not banned.

Namaste, Steven

Sorry but bashi was un-subscribed.
Paul spoke of it in a thread and gave the reason
One of the Niburu planet x ones. I think.

I have had e mail conversation with bashi
He is ok about it.

I am fairly friendly with quite a few who went that way.
I dont get the impression they want to come back.
All is as it should be.
Why worry.

Chris

Thanks Chris for the clarification.

I feel sad too to see a guy like Bashi gone. He was one I really appreciated his contribution, really. I even referred him to join the group of mods. But its part of the things that we should simply "let go".

Namaste, Steven

[Nanoo Nanoo]

i suppose if all parties have learned a lesson and had an audience amongst themselves and then sorted their drama. Then it would be nice to re unite with our friends. I suppose on the time line its important to realise that we can have disputes , its natural to have disagreements. However what needs to improve is the process at which we comport with one another and even the way we state things. It is clear that Anger does not work with expression.

perhaps this is the way


forgiveness .


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[ThePythonicCow]

When a member in good standing asks to have their account retired, that action could be reversed at a later date fairly easily. I don't recall anyone doing this, but if a voluntarily retired member sent an email to staff@projectavalon.net asking to be restored, I would expect that request to be granted, unless there was some specific and unusual red flag to the contrary.

When a member is involuntarily banned, that decision can be reversed by presenting a good case to Bill and the Mods. I am aware offhand of at least four such cases, two due to heart felt apologies, and two due to presentation of evidence that the reasons for the ban were incorrect. Three of these four cases are still with us today, as members in good standing, so I won't name their names. One of these cases is the rather infamous case of Gypsy Woman. There are likely more such cases that happened before my time here, or that I am not remembering.

[Rocky_Shorz]

I'm talking the Bashi type members, not the Bashing members... ;)

Bashi wasn't banned. He left. Maybe that's the confusion many people are having, lately I have seen a lot of people leaving, not banned.

Namaste, Steven

Sorry but bashi was un-subscribed.
Paul spoke of it in a thread and gave the reason
One of the Niburu planet x ones. I think.

I have had e mail conversation with bashi
He is ok about it.

I am fairly friendly with quite a few who went that way.
I dont get the impression they want to come back.
All is as it should be.
Why worry.

Chris

not worried at all, just the vision to see the tide drawing back in now that the storm is over...

each forum has its own specialty so has members gravitate that direction, I know I could be part of all four without upsetting anyone...

I need to keep my concentration centered, and all of you know at this point the heart of Avalon is where I chose my stand. Many are watching us from around the world and yes there are a few sending ripples in other forums, but no one that matters... ;)

[Davidallany]

Everybody should have at least a second chance, if they are not being vulgar and fly off the handle.