Chinese Invasion of Australia! Chinese mine giant snaps up 43 NSW farms..!

[jackovesk]

A CHINESE government-controlled mining giant has spent $213 million buying up 43 farms so it can explore for coal outside the NSW township of Gunnedah.

The mining boom has triggered an overnight property boom for the rural community 500km northwest of Sydney.

A NSW title search reveals that Shenhua Watermark Coal carried out a two-year spending spree in 2009 and 2010, making some of the sellers instant millionaires.

Some of the properties changed hands for 10 times more than their previous sale price.

The highest price the Chinese miner paid was $18.3m for 1051ha of land at Curlewis.

Shenhua paid $5.2m to a farmer for a house on four lots of land totalling 594ha in Duddy Road, Breeza, last November -- a property that last sold in 2002 for $376,000.

A 183ha property along the Kamilaroi Highway at Breeza sold for $1.9m in June 2009 -- more than five times its previous sale price of $350,000.

A farmhouse on 535ha that sold for $500,000 in 1993 fetched $9.2m in 2009.

Shenhua Watermark Coal -- a subsidiary of the world's biggest coal company, Shenhua Energy -- is seeking NSW government approval for a coalmine on the Liverpool Plains, surrounding Gunnedah.

The Chinese government-controlled company has paid the NSW government $300m for an exploration licence covering 19,500ha, and promised not to mine within 150m of the productive "black soil" farming country.

But data sourced from the Land Titles Office reveals the company has bought out 43 farmers in the past two years, in another case of a mining company encroaching on farmland. Gunnedah Mayor Adam Marshall said the mining proposal was dividing the community. "Feelings are mixed," Mr Marshall said yesterday.

"It's perfectly legal, and some of the people have been able to make some very, very good money out of their properties and are very, very pleased.

"The concern is more that the Foreign Investment Review Board allows overseas-owned companies -- and in this case an overseas state-owned company -- to buy Australian land, to mine Australian resources and take them out of our country."

Mr Marshall said mining companies had to seek owners' permission before exploratory drilling but Shenhua was free to drill on its own properties.

The Chinese coal giant's spending spree slips under the FIRB radar, as the Treasury unit only investigates investments totalling more than $230m.

Other multi-million-dollar purchases in the Liverpool Plains have included $12m for 518ha and another $12m for 418ha nearby, $12.5m for 947ha and $5.4m for 424ha of "general farmland".

A further $12.5m was spent buying a 120ha farm at Breeza last year; the same property sold in 1997 for $615,000.

A 206ha farm that sold for $275,000 in 2005 was bought by the Chinese mining giant six years later for $3.5m. And a 182ha farm at Gunnedah that sold for $405,180 in 2002 was bought by Shenhua for $2.8m.

The owners of another Gunnedah property were paid $1.85m -- more than 10 times the $77,864 purchase price in 2004.

A lot of "vacant urban land" at Nea that sold for $500,000 in 2008 was bought for $4.65m last June. The company also snapped up three houses in Gunnedah.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/chinese-mine-giant-snaps-up-43-nsw-farms/story-e6frg6nf-1226082387428

PS - China knows only to well that Coal is still the source of Cheap Energy in the Future. YET, Labor & the Greens want to get rid of all Coal fired power stations in Australia and SLUG us all with the Carbon Tax SCAM.

Bloody Fg Mongel Bastards - You are literally seeing these Criminal Govts. raping our Country to Death!

:mad2:

[markoid]

That is very disturbing! Australia is becoming 'asianised' at a rapid rate, which to me is a pity. Though we did essentially invade this country and stole it from the indigenous race who lived here, as was the british way, nonetheless we have developed a unique culture and to see it replaced by more 'asia' seems sad. More world domination scenarios... ho hum :( I don't think I am a racist either

[pharoah21]

That is very disturbing! Australia is becoming 'asianised' at a rapid rate, which to me is a pity. Though we did essentially invade this country and stole it from the indigenous race who lived here, as was the british way, nonetheless we have developed a unique culture and to see it replaced by more 'asia' seems sad. More world domination scenarios... ho hum :( I don't think I am a racist either

Does that mean karma is in the works? Does it matter? What does it mean to be asianised? Is it a problem to have more people with black hair and squinty eyes walking the streets?

I don't understand.

[markoid]

That is very disturbing! Australia is becoming 'asianised' at a rapid rate, which to me is a pity. Though we did essentially invade this country and stole it from the indigenous race who lived here, as was the british way, nonetheless we have developed a unique culture and to see it replaced by more 'asia' seems sad. More world domination scenarios... ho hum :( I don't think I am a racist either

Does that mean karma is in the works? Does it matter? What does it mean to be asianised? Is it a problem to have more people with black hair and squinty eyes walking the streets?

I don't understand.

Karma indeed :)
No no... it's all good.. we are a melting pot.
I just have an uncomfortable feeling about corporate asia buying into Oz at the rate they seem to be... a corporate invasion so to speak.

[Mad Hatter]

FWIW Just got back in touch with a mate of mine who has been working as a soil tester / analyst in outback WA for the last five years or so. He was not impressed with the Chinese approach as he put it, stating that what they do is buy the mining lease, then purchase the property (as noted above), but the real kicker is that instead of employing locals they are importing chinese labour under the current temporary visa scheme(scam!!) and excluding all other nationalities in the process, meaning effectively large chunks of outback oz can now only realistically be viewed as additions to the chinese empire...

I somehow don't think this is what the politically correct multiculturalist clowns had in mind, but then again you never know...

[Wings]

The laws for foreign land ownership are much different in N.Z. (and for good reason). In Australia large chunks of land and multiple property buying by foreigners is a huge problem. When you hear (and this is a fact) that a foreigner can just come in and purchase 50+ houses in a matter of a few years, you know something is not right. ..... and racism doesn't even enter into the equation, but it's the argument some people like to use to defend such actions. Too sad .....

[TigaHawk]

That is very disturbing! Australia is becoming 'asianised' at a rapid rate, which to me is a pity. Though we did essentially invade this country and stole it from the indigenous race who lived here, as was the british way, nonetheless we have developed a unique culture and to see it replaced by more 'asia' seems sad. More world domination scenarios... ho hum :( I don't think I am a racist either



I think what he is trying to get at... is Australia is being taken over.

Meaning - there are more and more people from other countries, from Asia and India (Chinese - Japanse - Kroeans - Muslims - Indians - the works...) are all flocking to Australia.


There are less and less and less "aussies" - because the ppl coming here bring their existing nationality and way of life with them.

The more the other nationalaties and way's of life come in - the bigger they become. It's not as if they try to cultralise to be aussie either. There are literaly "pockets" all over australia where in teh particular suburb - there are literaly 90% full of Asians, or Lebonese, or Indians. People of a feather flock together. They make their own communities within Australia.


I welcome all these people, but i worry what Australia will be like in another 100 years if the people that move here have no intention of being Australian. This isnt realy a problem that i find with the Asian communities - they're nice - but they only seem to hire other people from asian backgrounds to their places of work. you will NEVER see an "aussie" working in a store thats owned by an Asian.


The people whom honest to god worry me now - are the Muslims that come over here and are dead set on bringing their entire way of life over here to be our way of life. I want no part of that, and i hope they give up - and go back to their home country if that's what they want to turn Australia into.


My point - Australia is turning into a piece of land that ppl from other countries move into - and specificly move itno certain areas - making the places like "sunnybank Hills" - where you drive thru and you swear you're in china because all the stores are owned - and have full chinese lettering - unless you're Chinese you have no clue what they're selling or what the store is all about.

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

There is so much to say about this topic, though it is difficult when it can be considered 'racist' also. I live in a suburb of melbourne that has long since been a well recognized asian dominated/populated area.

Most times I do feel like I am living in another country, as there are alot of language difficulties, even in the large supermarkets.

That is all besides the point.

Again Jack, stellar work.

This has been going on for the last few decades, and slopwly but surely there is very little land owned by Australians left. The concern isn't that it is just the land, but as has been said, all of the natural resources, in addition to all of the agrigulture for food production is being bought by O/S (mainly chinese/asian) corporations, who bring their own workers in and take all the money O/S.

Same as the mining. nothing stays in the country. We are going to be left high and dry. I reckon 10 years.

Biggest problem is that the government is not willing to step in and stop any of it. they are bleeding us dry, and really there isn't much we can do except protest.

PVM

[TigaHawk]

It's not just land tho...

Our power bills have been on a steady increase. In under a year my power bill has jumped from $350 every 3mths to $650+. I recieved a letter the day after i got a bill from the power company saying as of next month the rates are going up again by 6.6%.

This is all happening because our GOVERNMENT is selling out all the core infastructure to the highest bidder. At least if its government owned they have an obligation to keep prices reasonable - and there is more the public can do about the prices going up (not voting for the ppl that put the prices up as example). But now, Power, Water, our public transport (Qrail as an example) - are all privately owned - more than likely by oversea's companies.


I did not want to sound/come across as racist in my other post also - i apologise if i did.

I guess the main point i was trying to get as - Australia realy isnt a country anymore. There realy is no "Australian culture" either. It seems Australia is just turning into a giant piece of land that can be sectioned off and sold off to the highest bidder.

To add to the insult our government seems to want to treat us like retards. Just accept what we tell you and what we do. Dont as questions.

I realy wish i could find the "anti government smoking add" which has been airing on our TV as of late. It's got a bulldog of a woman - dressed in bland grey office attire - with the background as just bookcases full also bland binder folders. The woman - starts prattling off about how they're taking the packaging off the cigorette packs and how its for our own good. There's a guy talking to her (cant see him in teh video) That states that they're over 18 and are capable of making their own choices - To which the woman disagree's then states more of the new intended government rules about the bland packaging of cigorettes. It then also implies that the government realy doesnt give a damn in the end - as they love the money they get from people buyign cigorettes (Allmost $20 a pack of smokes over here - the smokes itself would cost under $5 a pack of 30's - all the rest is tax) - and symbolises that with her demanding money frmo the guy - which is handed to her and she pockets.

Saddest thing is - its not just about cigorettes. Its about everything government is doing to our country.

[jcocks]

I'm convinced that the PTB have special, very specific plans in place for Australia in their "nwo" or whatever you want to call it..... And this is just a part of those plans. I'm not sure what those plans are, but they exist and it's becoming more and more apparent they're being enacted and a faster rate....

ANd there really is very little we can do about it at this time..... But that won't be the case forever. Just remember that even the "imports" are being hoodwinked for their big plans - we're all in this together, and if we thrawt those plans TOGETHER, Australia can and will become somewhere quite remarkable in the coming age...

[Lord Sidious]

It isn't about ''racism'' it is about being a tenant in your own land when others own everything.

[rgray222]

The Chinese have so much money that they are looking for places to put it all over the globe, as long as they keep their currency undervalued (at times by as much as 40%) and have extremely cheap labor we can expect this to continue. They now are the largest owners of US debt and last week it was revealed that they are the largest owners of debt on the Euro.

The Chinese are so awash with money that they have made some horrible mistakes with it. There are plenty of stories about the empty cities they have built, trains that no one rides on etc etc but the money will continue to flow into the country for the foreseeable future. There is no question that this has been planned for a long time by the PTB and the Bilderberg Group (one and the same for the most part). This is simple transfer of wealth from mainly from the US but also a great deal by Europe. One of the unexpected side effects has been devastation to most of the African Economies. Spreading the wealth around is not currently confined to the US but to the world.

If the TPTB can contain Europe and hold up the Euro we can expect a major effort to centralize banking for Europe and North American in the next few years. The day that Europe gave up their own currencies it was a blow to the world. We now see through Greece, Ireland and Spain that individual European countries can no longer control their own destiny. It is up to Brussels and North American PTB.

If this same system moves into North America there would be absolutely no control by the people of the world and the centralization would start to move east to Asia.

[nearing]

I think what he is trying to get at... is Australia is being taken over.

Meaning - there are more and more people from other countries, from Asia and India (Chinese - Japanse - Kroeans - Muslims - Indians - the works...) are all flocking to Australia.


There are less and less and less "aussies" - because the ppl coming here bring their existing nationality and way of life with them.

The more the other nationalaties and way's of life come in - the bigger they become. It's not as if they try to cultralise to be aussie either. There are literaly "pockets" all over australia where in teh particular suburb - there are literaly 90% full of Asians, or Lebonese, or Indians. People of a feather flock together. They make their own communities within Australia.



My point - Australia is turning into a piece of land that ppl from other countries move into - and specificly move itno certain areas - making the places like "sunnybank Hills" - where you drive thru and you swear you're in china because all the stores are owned - and have full chinese lettering - unless you're Chinese you have no clue what they're selling or what the store is all about.

I wonder if the Aboriginals felt the same way when the Europeans came and announced themselves to be Australian.

[AtlasFactor]

Am I supposed to care what race the hand which holds the whip? This place has long been a gulag, why not make it openly admitted & be done with it?

[Lord Sidious]

I think what he is trying to get at... is Australia is being taken over.

Meaning - there are more and more people from other countries, from Asia and India (Chinese - Japanse - Kroeans - Muslims - Indians - the works...) are all flocking to Australia.


There are less and less and less "aussies" - because the ppl coming here bring their existing nationality and way of life with them.

The more the other nationalaties and way's of life come in - the bigger they become. It's not as if they try to cultralise to be aussie either. There are literaly "pockets" all over australia where in teh particular suburb - there are literaly 90% full of Asians, or Lebonese, or Indians. People of a feather flock together. They make their own communities within Australia.



My point - Australia is turning into a piece of land that ppl from other countries move into - and specificly move itno certain areas - making the places like "sunnybank Hills" - where you drive thru and you swear you're in china because all the stores are owned - and have full chinese lettering - unless you're Chinese you have no clue what they're selling or what the store is all about.

I wonder if the Aboriginals felt the same way when the Europeans came and announced themselves to be Australian.

Before we start this, are you aware that the ''aborigines'' are not in fact native to this continent and were invaders themselves?
That they wiped out the people who were here before them?
People fighting over land is one of the oldest forms of conflict there is.
So please, keep the finger pointing to yourself, not one nation is innocent of this.
Plus, finger pointing doesn't help us in the now, it only creates more division.

[Mike Gorman]

That is very disturbing! Australia is becoming 'asianised' at a rapid rate, which to me is a pity. Though we did essentially invade this country and stole it from the indigenous race who lived here, as was the british way, nonetheless we have developed a unique culture and to see it replaced by more 'asia' seems sad. More world domination scenarios... ho hum :( I don't think I am a racist either
Precisely Markoid, because you defend the value of your own culture you are immediately labelled as a right-wing redneck,
for cultures other-than Anglo-Celtic however, every little nuance of their cultural identity is protected and held aloft as
being precious-i used to get into trouble at university for proclaiming that Anglo-Celtic cultural identity is every bit as
precious as the different groups entering Australia, and this is what has occurred really-it aint Multiculturalism but an uneasy
coagulation of various groups...China has had its eye on Oz for a long time....

[nearing]

I think what he is trying to get at... is Australia is being taken over.

Meaning - there are more and more people from other countries, from Asia and India (Chinese - Japanse - Kroeans - Muslims - Indians - the works...) are all flocking to Australia.


There are less and less and less "aussies" - because the ppl coming here bring their existing nationality and way of life with them.

The more the other nationalaties and way's of life come in - the bigger they become. It's not as if they try to cultralise to be aussie either. There are literaly "pockets" all over australia where in teh particular suburb - there are literaly 90% full of Asians, or Lebonese, or Indians. People of a feather flock together. They make their own communities within Australia.



My point - Australia is turning into a piece of land that ppl from other countries move into - and specificly move itno certain areas - making the places like "sunnybank Hills" - where you drive thru and you swear you're in china because all the stores are owned - and have full chinese lettering - unless you're Chinese you have no clue what they're selling or what the store is all about.

I wonder if the Aboriginals felt the same way when the Europeans came and announced themselves to be Australian.

Before we start this, are you aware that the ''aborigines'' are not in fact native to this continent and were invaders themselves?
That they wiped out the people who were here before them?
People fighting over land is one of the oldest forms of conflict there is.
So please, keep the finger pointing to yourself, not one nation is innocent of this.
Plus, finger pointing doesn't help us in the now, it only creates more division.

Who is finger pointing? I am just pointing out the ironic-ness of the statement made.

People afraid of other people "taking over' their land. I find the whole thing absurd. We are all 'invaders' - there isn't one soul on this planet alive whose whole damn ancestry was on one piece of land the whole time.

We all move about and 'invade' others territory. Get over yourselves. Rise above this.

The earth belongs to ALL of us - not one person or one family, tribe, group, nation, blah, blah.

We learned to share in the sandbox, no?

[Lord Sidious]

I think what he is trying to get at... is Australia is being taken over.

Meaning - there are more and more people from other countries, from Asia and India (Chinese - Japanse - Kroeans - Muslims - Indians - the works...) are all flocking to Australia.


There are less and less and less "aussies" - because the ppl coming here bring their existing nationality and way of life with them.

The more the other nationalaties and way's of life come in - the bigger they become. It's not as if they try to cultralise to be aussie either. There are literaly "pockets" all over australia where in teh particular suburb - there are literaly 90% full of Asians, or Lebonese, or Indians. People of a feather flock together. They make their own communities within Australia.



My point - Australia is turning into a piece of land that ppl from other countries move into - and specificly move itno certain areas - making the places like "sunnybank Hills" - where you drive thru and you swear you're in china because all the stores are owned - and have full chinese lettering - unless you're Chinese you have no clue what they're selling or what the store is all about.

I wonder if the Aboriginals felt the same way when the Europeans came and announced themselves to be Australian.

Before we start this, are you aware that the ''aborigines'' are not in fact native to this continent and were invaders themselves?
That they wiped out the people who were here before them?
People fighting over land is one of the oldest forms of conflict there is.
So please, keep the finger pointing to yourself, not one nation is innocent of this.
Plus, finger pointing doesn't help us in the now, it only creates more division.

Who is finger pointing? I am just pointing out the ironic-ness of the statement made.

People afraid of other people "taking over' their land. I find the whole thing absurd. We are all 'invaders' - there isn't one soul on this planet alive whose whole damn ancestry was on one piece of land the whole time.

We all move about and 'invade' others territory. Get over yourselves. Rise above this.

The earth belongs to ALL of us - not one person or one family, tribe, group, nation, blah, blah.

We learned to share in the sandbox, no?

True enough.
The thing is, as some above pointed out, it isn't just the land that is under threat, but culture as well.
Already, chinese owned firms are jacking up utilities costs and making things harder for those on low incomes.

[nearing]

I think what he is trying to get at... is Australia is being taken over.

Meaning - there are more and more people from other countries, from Asia and India (Chinese - Japanse - Kroeans - Muslims - Indians - the works...) are all flocking to Australia.


There are less and less and less "aussies" - because the ppl coming here bring their existing nationality and way of life with them.

The more the other nationalaties and way's of life come in - the bigger they become. It's not as if they try to cultralise to be aussie either. There are literaly "pockets" all over australia where in teh particular suburb - there are literaly 90% full of Asians, or Lebonese, or Indians. People of a feather flock together. They make their own communities within Australia.



My point - Australia is turning into a piece of land that ppl from other countries move into - and specificly move itno certain areas - making the places like "sunnybank Hills" - where you drive thru and you swear you're in china because all the stores are owned - and have full chinese lettering - unless you're Chinese you have no clue what they're selling or what the store is all about.

I wonder if the Aboriginals felt the same way when the Europeans came and announced themselves to be Australian.

Before we start this, are you aware that the ''aborigines'' are not in fact native to this continent and were invaders themselves?
That they wiped out the people who were here before them?
People fighting over land is one of the oldest forms of conflict there is.
So please, keep the finger pointing to yourself, not one nation is innocent of this.
Plus, finger pointing doesn't help us in the now, it only creates more division.

Who is finger pointing? I am just pointing out the ironic-ness of the statement made.

People afraid of other people "taking over' their land. I find the whole thing absurd. We are all 'invaders' - there isn't one soul on this planet alive whose whole damn ancestry was on one piece of land the whole time.

We all move about and 'invade' others territory. Get over yourselves. Rise above this.

The earth belongs to ALL of us - not one person or one family, tribe, group, nation, blah, blah.

We learned to share in the sandbox, no?

True enough.
The thing is, as some above pointed out, it isn't just the land that is under threat, but culture as well.
Already, chinese owned firms are jacking up utilities costs and making things harder for those on low incomes.

I can understand people wanting to preserve their culture. It's a good thing! So many have had to do it when they either moved to another country or were 'taken over' by an 'invader'. But they do it.

Little Italy and Chinatown in New York City are so much a part of the NYC scene that many tourists go there not for a NY flavor but for the Italian or Chinese flavor. I am sure that the Aussies can and will preserve their culture no matter who begins to populate their land.

[pharoah21]

I never knew of Aborigines coming here and taking over, but none the less. The Europeans came here and took over unlawfully, completely shattered the Aboringes and their culture, maybe you can call this karma to the Aborigines if they truly did invade here. But Australia is now being taken over LAWFULLY. Nobody forced the NSW farmers out, they sold out, and we all know what happens to people who come here by unregistered boat. They get the **** kicked out of them at the detention centre.

And in regards to the pockets of suburbs where all the nationalities cling together, it's only because of the racism that a lot of these people had to deal with when they first came to this country. My father still hasn't let it go, that is, all the racism and physical bashings he had to put up with when he came here in the 70's as a result of his dark skin and afro. If you unfortunately had to move to somewhere that speaks another language, and where nobody looks like you, I'm sure your first preference would be to move to the suburb where all the Aussies/Americans are residing, and I bet you would try to stay as Aussie as possible to.

Moving to a land where nobody looks like you, or understands you, it's understandable why they do this.

And hey, the Muslims are trying to do what the Christians and JW's and Mormons are all currently trying to do. Every fundamental religious person wants an NWO based on their religion.

[Lord Sidious]

I never knew of Aborigines coming here and taking over, but none the less. The Europeans came here and took over unlawfully, completely shattered the Aboringes and their culture, maybe you can call this karma to the Aborigines if they truly did invade here. But Australia is now being taken over LAWFULLY. Nobody forced the NSW farmers out, they sold out, and we all know what happens to people who come here by unregistered boat. They get the **** kicked out of them at the detention centre.

And in regards to the pockets of suburbs where all the nationalities cling together, it's only because of the racism that a lot of these people had to deal with when they first came to this country. My father still hasn't let it go, that is, all the racism and physical bashings he had to put up with when he came here in the 70's as a result of his dark skin and afro. If you unfortunately had to move to somewhere that speaks another language, and where nobody looks like you, I'm sure your first preference would be to move to the suburb where all the Aussies/Americans are residing, and I bet you would try to stay as Aussie as possible to.

Moving to a land where nobody looks like you, or understands you, it's understandable why they do this.

And hey, the Muslims are trying to do what the Christians and JW's and Mormons are all currently trying to do. Every fundamental religious person wants an NWO based on their religion.

Funny you mention the land being sold.
That is how most of Palestine became israel, no?
The british did come here and took over, but so did the aborigines.
The difference?
The british didn't wipe them out, the aborigines did wipe out those here before them.
The thing is, this doesn't help us in the now.
I know what you mean about your father, I have many friends who are arab and they have faced a lot of trouble here.

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

I;m interested in the pre-aboriginal race here.

You got any more info on this LS?

PVM

[Lord Sidious]

I;m interested in the pre-aboriginal race here.

You got any more info on this LS?

PVM

I have a book on it somewhere.
There is info on the net if you look for it. I haven't for a while, so I don't know if it is still there.
The aborigines are about the third or forth wave of ''invaders'' with the original inhabitants being polynesian types.
The aborigines originated in india and still inhabit islands in the indian ocean called the andaman islands.

[pharoah21]

I never knew of Aborigines coming here and taking over, but none the less. The Europeans came here and took over unlawfully, completely shattered the Aboringes and their culture, maybe you can call this karma to the Aborigines if they truly did invade here. But Australia is now being taken over LAWFULLY. Nobody forced the NSW farmers out, they sold out, and we all know what happens to people who come here by unregistered boat. They get the **** kicked out of them at the detention centre.

And in regards to the pockets of suburbs where all the nationalities cling together, it's only because of the racism that a lot of these people had to deal with when they first came to this country. My father still hasn't let it go, that is, all the racism and physical bashings he had to put up with when he came here in the 70's as a result of his dark skin and afro. If you unfortunately had to move to somewhere that speaks another language, and where nobody looks like you, I'm sure your first preference would be to move to the suburb where all the Aussies/Americans are residing, and I bet you would try to stay as Aussie as possible to.

Moving to a land where nobody looks like you, or understands you, it's understandable why they do this.

And hey, the Muslims are trying to do what the Christians and JW's and Mormons are all currently trying to do. Every fundamental religious person wants an NWO based on their religion.

Funny you mention the land being sold.
That is how most of Palestine became israel, no?
The british did come here and took over, but so did the aborigines.
The difference?
The british didn't wipe them out, the aborigines did wipe out those here before them.
The thing is, this doesn't help us in the now.
I know what you mean about your father, I have many friends who are arab and they have faced a lot of trouble here.

I'm struggling to find any information about the aboriginies invading, there's a couple lines here and there about them pushing out a tribe to Tasmania. There's also a lot of information to suggest that when the Europeans first came here, they struggled to live off the land, and really needed the aboriginies to teach them what was edible etc. The aborigines were always seen as slaves back then, it would have been foolish for the rich white people to wipe them out. I doubt there still around because of compassion or anything along those lines.

But back to point, Australia is not in risk of losing our 'way of life' or anything like that. Take one example, the Melbourne food and fashion culture, which probably would cease to exist today if it weren't for immigrants. I'm sure they've added a lot of much needed colour to Australia, pun intended. The AFL will still be going, beer will still be widely available, triple M will still play rock n roll, and Comodooores will still be the most popular car on the road.

[Lord Sidious]

I'm struggling to find any information about the aboriginies invading, there's a couple lines here and there about them pushing out a tribe to Tasmania. There's also a lot of information to suggest that when the Europeans first came here, they struggled to live off the land, and really needed the aboriginies to teach them what was edible etc. The aborigines were always seen as slaves back then, it would have been foolish for the rich white people to wipe them out. I doubt there still around because of compassion or anything along those lines.

But back to point, Australia is not in risk of losing our 'way of life' or anything like that. Take one example, the Melbourne food and fashion culture, which probably would cease to exist today if it weren't for immigrants. I'm sure they've added a lot of much needed colour to Australia, pun intended. The AFL will still be going, beer will still be widely available, triple M will still play rock n roll, and Comodooores will still be the most popular car on the road.

Be careful of truth and politically correct nuggetry.
That story of not knowing what to eat sounds very much like america, but that one was true.
Australia will lose its way, I have seen it changing in my lifetime already.

[pharoah21]

Be careful of truth and politically correct nuggetry.
That story of not knowing what to eat sounds very much like america, but that one was true.
Australia will lose its way, I have seen it changing in my lifetime already.

And in quoting a line from one of my favourite movies, Coming to America.

"It is tradition for tradition to change."

Hate it or love it, every older generation will always be explaining to the young ones about how it was in 'the good old days.'

[jackovesk]

Be careful of truth and politically correct nuggetry.
That story of not knowing what to eat sounds very much like america, but that one was true.
Australia will lose its way, I have seen it changing in my lifetime already.

And in quoting a line from one of my favourite movies, Coming to America.

"It is tradition for tradition to change."

Hate it or love it, every older generation will always be explaining to the young ones about how it was in 'the good old days.'

So far I have Agreed with everything that Sid has said...

The NWO know EXACTLY what they are doing with their Multicultural Policy!

It is Designed Specifically to Divide & Conquer! i.e. Place one race against the other, always bickering, which I might add gets played to Death constantly by our 'Bought & Paid For' MSM! Never allowing the entire Nation to come together as one, that is the last thing the Globalists want!

I am an Aussie through and through and I will leave you with One More Observation on Mulitculturalism...

Don't care if your Black, White, Yellow or Green and take up citizenship - Your either an Australian or YOUR NOT! And that means assimilating to the Australian way of life and our laws Period!

If you can't handle that, NO-ONE is asking anyone to stay!

It never ceases to amaze me, those who wish to come to Australia and Take Up the benefits that coincide with citizenship and all they do is COMPLAIN!

All Australians would be just fine if the GOVTS just left us alone and the 'Bought & Paid For' MSM stopped pushing the Propaganda that constantly creates Division!

[gigha]

........................ hic

:)

[gigha]

I just come from the planet. That is where i was born.. and it is where i will die.
dont really give a sh.t if i was born in norway. or where my ancsetors came from.
we all breath the same air.. and drink the same water
... and the rain falls :) peace
.

ok i feel better now no harm. Paece

[gigha]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJHgMD1S0bg

still cant figure it out.. it is Bob Marley

[jcocks]

I;m interested in the pre-aboriginal race here.

You got any more info on this LS?

PVM

I have a book on it somewhere.
There is info on the net if you look for it. I haven't for a while, so I don't know if it is still there.
The aborigines are about the third or forth wave of ''invaders'' with the original inhabitants being polynesian types.
The aborigines originated in india and still inhabit islands in the indian ocean called the andaman islands.

I don't know if this is what you're talking about, but here is a nugget of info about giant-sized fossils found in Oz that seem to point to a race of giants once inhabiting this country...

http://www.mysteriousaustralia.com/australasian_ufologist2.html

Interesting stuff..... And then there's the Phoenician ruins scattered around the place - but they don't seem to predate aboriginal habitation...

[jackovesk]

........................ hic

:)


I just come from the planet. That is where i was born.. and it is where i will die.
dont really give a sh.t if i was born in norway. or where my ancsetors came from.
we all breath the same air.. and drink the same water
... and the rain falls :) peace
.

ok i feel better now no harm. Paece

Good for You gigha, then you'll have no problem with a 'ONE WORLD GOVT & SERFDOM!

The UN LOVES YOU...

:)

[pharoah21]

If it is the goal of this NWO or UN or whatever you wanna call it, to bring in a bunch of different nationalities into the country so that all we do is bicker and fight, the simplest way to defeat them would be........hmmmmm let me think..........not fight? Which for some is obviously harder than being peaceful. Gigha is right.

Have you ever stopped to think jackovesk, that all those funny lines you see on a map of the earth, don't actually exist? That is, we draw these lines on our maps to divide the world?

Let me say something rather radical, I understand I might be perceived as a little crazy but here it goes:

I WOULD MUCH RATHER A ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT LIVING IN PEACE, AS OPPOSED TO HUNDREDS OF DIFFERENT COUNTRIES BOMBING THE ABSOLUTE F*CK OUT OF EACHOTHER FOR PROFIT.

[pharoah21]

There is no such thing as countries, COUNTRIES were invented by TPTB, the only thing that exists is tribes and cultures.

[jackovesk]

........................ hic

:)


If it is the goal of this NWO or UN or whatever you wanna call it, to bring in a bunch of different nationalities into the country so that all we do is bicker and fight, the simplest way to defeat them would be........hmmmmm let me think..........not fight? Which for some is obviously harder than being peaceful. Gigha is right.

Have you ever stopped to think jackovesk, that all those funny lines you see on a map of the earth, don't actually exist? That is, we draw these lines on our maps to divide the world?

Let me say something rather radical, I understand I might be perceived as a little crazy but here it goes:

I WOULD MUCH RATHER A ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT LIVING IN PEACE, AS OPPOSED TO HUNDREDS OF DIFFERENT COUNTRIES BOMBING THE ABSOLUTE F*CK OUT OF EACHOTHER FOR PROFIT.

What you and gigha Don't Understand is...

Both of you Won't be around for much longer if the UN NWO brings in a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT which involves Eugenics, because both of you will be Dead!

[pharoah21]

........................ hic

:)


If it is the goal of this NWO or UN or whatever you wanna call it, to bring in a bunch of different nationalities into the country so that all we do is bicker and fight, the simplest way to defeat them would be........hmmmmm let me think..........not fight? Which for some is obviously harder than being peaceful. Gigha is right.

Have you ever stopped to think jackovesk, that all those funny lines you see on a map of the earth, don't actually exist? That is, we draw these lines on our maps to divide the world?

Let me say something rather radical, I understand I might be perceived as a little crazy but here it goes:

I WOULD MUCH RATHER A ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT LIVING IN PEACE, AS OPPOSED TO HUNDREDS OF DIFFERENT COUNTRIES BOMBING THE ABSOLUTE F*CK OUT OF EACHOTHER FOR PROFIT.

What you and gigha Don't Understand is...

Both of you Won't be around for much longer if the UN NWO brings in a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT, because both of you will be Dead!

Fear mongering won't work here. Please understand I am not in the slightest advocating a one world government, I don't like government of any sort. But the grid needs it's batteries, and that happens to be me and you. There is no government without its peoples. There would be no point in killing all the people, maybe some, but not all.

Don't try and preach things like this without a shred of evidence.


Hello Fellow Avalonians!

I should like to make a request for your consideration...

Having followed up a few of the postings on here that provide links to supposedly inform us all of real events in the world, I have found many of them to be without substance, and therefore presumably false (in as far as, with a little research, there is nothing to back up the claims that are being made).

I obviously don't know the motives of the people who posted these - deliberate disinformation? a lazy desire to titillate? scaremongering? a need to feed the constant hunger of sensationalism? - but if it continues, Project Avalon will never gain credibility and start to appeal to (and educate) the wider world out there. There have been occasions where I have told friends who are not members of Avalon about certain reported news stories, only for them to later tell me that there appeared to be no truth behind them – this only fuels the scepticism that already exists out there!

I freely admit that I err on the side of being rather sceptical...and for me, every “news story” from Avalon that I research that ends up down a blind alley increases my scepticism. I am a little concerned that one day, I shall dismiss a story without investigating its validity – and it will turn out to be true and vitally important. Any one else feel like that, or is it just me??!

All I would ask if for each of us to take a little time to do some research before seeking to "inform" other members. I realise nothing on the web can be 100% trustworthy, but it isn't difficult to form a reasonably reliable opinion about whether a news story is credible or not.

Many thanks for giving this a bit of thought – do you also feel we need a bit more intelligent investigation and less exaggeration? more info and less excitement?

Tarka

Taken from this thread

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?24294-More-discrimination-and-less-exaggeration-please-

[TigaHawk]

Removed alot of what i was going to post because i think i got carried away. Here's a summery.

My point: The issue with our natives long since turned from anything of real importance into an expectancy for people to feel like they owe them everything for what people long dead did. We've said sorry - Not as if we could go back in time and punish the actual people that did it - We've gone out of our way to provide for them. Most of them dont want to progress/move on - they're more than happy to sit there and rely on benefits while teaching their kids that they're not goign to get anywhere in life because of what happend to them oh so long ago and they cant understand why they grow up to be alcoholics or addicted to drugs. (I AM NOT SPEAKING ABOUT ALL OF THEM - It just feels like more of them end up like that than the ones that make something of their lives)

Why is this relevant? The sheer ammount of money our government spends to fund these people And all the frauds that have their aborigional friends go to Centrelink with them and state that they're a cousin/also partly aborigional - which instantly intitles them to $200 extra per fortnight from their govt handouts, one of the many reasons this govt is up to its ears in debt, and its only going to get worse now that they have nothing left to sell. It makes me so angry - i needed the govt handouts twice in my life. The first time i was literaly told to F off. the 2nd time - after 2mths of paperwork - i finaly got payments. I got 2 payments from them before i found myself another job and told em to stop sending me payments i was right. those two months while waiting on the paperwork was living hell. The people that actualy need help suffer because of the mountain of bludgers and lazy people whom EXPECT the government to give them everything on a silver platter. I'm all for Obama's idea of limiting the # of govt handouts you can get. 90 weeks of payment then fend for yourself is a brilliant idea. Dont give me that you cant find a job Crud - you can - just because its not one that you want (ie cleaning toilets or garbage removal) doesnt mean you cant find work. You need money you take whatever job you can get and work you're arse off untill you can find one that suits you better.


Their carbon tax wont help them either. I live in Bris CBD. Every night i go onto my balcony and have a look around - all the office buildings have their lights on - all night - every night - even tho the office is empty. That wont change a bit as soon as the carbon tax comes in. The companie's will pass on their costs to the end consumer - the core infastructure (again power water telephones etc) will continue to go up because they're owned by companies that care about nothing other than squeezing every last cent they can out of their investment by continualy upping the costs for the consumers. I've taken a bet with myself that my fortnightly paycheck (I work 50hr/week - day and night shift work) will not pay for my bills AND provide enough for food on my table within 2 years. and no i cant cut costs by moving out of the city - my parents have bought the place im living in and im committed to helping them pay it off .

[jackovesk]

........................ hic

:)




........................ hic

:)


If it is the goal of this NWO or UN or whatever you wanna call it, to bring in a bunch of different nationalities into the country so that all we do is bicker and fight, the simplest way to defeat them would be........hmmmmm let me think..........not fight? Which for some is obviously harder than being peaceful. Gigha is right.

Have you ever stopped to think jackovesk, that all those funny lines you see on a map of the earth, don't actually exist? That is, we draw these lines on our maps to divide the world?

Let me say something rather radical, I understand I might be perceived as a little crazy but here it goes:

I WOULD MUCH RATHER A ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT LIVING IN PEACE, AS OPPOSED TO HUNDREDS OF DIFFERENT COUNTRIES BOMBING THE ABSOLUTE F*CK OUT OF EACHOTHER FOR PROFIT.

What you and gigha Don't Understand is...

Both of you Won't be around for much longer if the UN NWO brings in a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT, because both of you will be Dead!

Fear mongering won't work here. Please understand I am not in the slightest advocating a one world government, I don't like government of any sort. But the grid needs it's batteries, and that happens to be me and you. There is no government without its peoples. There would be no point in killing all the people, maybe some, but not all.

Don't try and preach things like this without a shred of evidence.


Hello Fellow Avalonians!

I should like to make a request for your consideration...

Having followed up a few of the postings on here that provide links to supposedly inform us all of real events in the world, I have found many of them to be without substance, and therefore presumably false (in as far as, with a little research, there is nothing to back up the claims that are being made).

I obviously don't know the motives of the people who posted these - deliberate disinformation? a lazy desire to titillate? scaremongering? a need to feed the constant hunger of sensationalism? - but if it continues, Project Avalon will never gain credibility and start to appeal to (and educate) the wider world out there. There have been occasions where I have told friends who are not members of Avalon about certain reported news stories, only for them to later tell me that there appeared to be no truth behind them – this only fuels the scepticism that already exists out there!

I freely admit that I err on the side of being rather sceptical...and for me, every “news story” from Avalon that I research that ends up down a blind alley increases my scepticism. I am a little concerned that one day, I shall dismiss a story without investigating its validity – and it will turn out to be true and vitally important. Any one else feel like that, or is it just me??!

All I would ask if for each of us to take a little time to do some research before seeking to "inform" other members. I realise nothing on the web can be 100% trustworthy, but it isn't difficult to form a reasonably reliable opinion about whether a news story is credible or not.

Many thanks for giving this a bit of thought – do you also feel we need a bit more intelligent investigation and less exaggeration? more info and less excitement?

Tarka

Taken from this thread

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?24294-More-discrimination-and-less-exaggeration-please-

I saw that thread, don't try and Pigeon Hole me into this Catergory, there is plenty of evidence throughout history on Eugenics in Association with One World Govt!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzXgVYsgPto


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veHhcxQjZ2w&feature=related

:focus:

[pharoah21]

I'm at work so the attachement in your post does not show up, but I'm going to presume that by the word 'eugenics', you mean the literal dictionary translation which is: the study of or belief in the possibility of improving the qualities of the human species or a human population, especially by such means as discouraging reproduction by persons having genetic defects or presumed to have inheritable undesirable traits (negative eugenics) or encouraging reproduction by persons presumed to have inheritable desirable traits (positive eugenics).

I am a man of african nubian, and mediteranean mixed genetics. Are you saying that the NWO are racist like the nazis and will practice Eugenics? Ok, let's see. If this NWO sees me as possessing undesirable genetics, they will kill me? Ok, fair enough. But my man gigha over there is a white canadian man, is that also undesirable genetics? Is the NWO going to be run by racist asians? I don't understand? Why would they kill us both? And why would YOU call that Eugenics?

IF ANYTHING, SCREAMING PANIC AT THE FACT THAT AUSTRALIA IS GOING TO BECOME 'ASIANISED' OR WHATEVER WE'RE ALL SO SCARED ABOUT SEEMS TO BE MORE 'EUGENIC' TYPE BEHAVIOUR THAN ANYTHING ELSE I'VE SEEN ON THIS THREAD.

[ViralSpiral]

I recall, many many  moons ago, my mother saying:  don't bother  learning Russian, learn Chinese....
Whilst  searching for relevant material, I came across this article. 



How China's taking over Africa
and why the
West should be VERY worried

By Andrew Malone

In the greatest movement of people the world has ever seen, China is secretly working to turn the entire African continent into a new colony.

Reminiscent of the West's imperial push in the 18th and 19th centuries - but on a much more dramatic, determined scale - China's rulers believe Africa can become a 'satellite' state, solving its own problems of over-population and shortage of natural resources at a stroke.

With little fanfare, a staggering 750,000 Chinese have settled in Africa over the past decade. More are on the way.

The strategy has been carefully devised by officials in Beijing, where one expert has estimated that China will eventually need to send 300 million people to Africa to solve the problems of over-population and pollution.

The plans appear on track. Across Africa, the red flag of China is flying. Lucrative deals are being struck to buy its commodities - oil, platinum, gold and minerals. New embassies and air routes are opening up. The continent's new Chinese elite can be seen everywhere, shopping at their own expensive boutiques, driving Mercedes and BMW limousines, sending their children to exclusive private schools.

The pot-holed roads are cluttered with Chinese buses, taking people to markets filled with cheap Chinese goods. More than a thousand miles of new Chinese railroads are crisscrossing the continent, carrying billions of tons of illegally-logged timber, diamonds and gold.

The trains are linked to ports dotted around the coast, waiting to carry the goods back to Beijing after unloading cargoes of cheap toys made in China.

Confucius Institutes (state-funded Chinese 'cultural centres') have sprung up throughout Africa, as far afield as the tiny land-locked countries of Burundi and Rwanda, teaching baffled local people how to do business in Mandarin and Cantonese.

Massive dams are being built, flooding nature reserves. The land is scarred with giant Chinese mines, with 'slave' labourers paid less than £1 a day to extract ore and minerals.

Pristine forests are being destroyed, with China taking up to 70 per cent of all timber from Africa.

All over this great continent, the Chinese presence is swelling into a flood. Angola has its own 'Chinatown', as do great African cities such as Dar es Salaam and Nairobi.

Exclusive, gated compounds, serving only Chinese food, and where no blacks are allowed, are being built all over the continent. 'African cloths' sold in markets on the continent are now almost always imported, bearing the legend: 'Made in China'.

From Nigeria in the north, to Equatorial Guinea, Gabon and Angola in the west, across Chad and Sudan in the east, and south through Zambia, Zimbabwe and Mozambique, China has seized a vice-like grip on a continent which officials have decided is crucial to the superpower's long-term survival.

'The Chinese are all over the place,' says Trevor Ncube, a prominent African businessman with publishing interests around the continent. 'If the British were our masters yesterday, the Chinese have taken their place.'

Likened to one race deciding to adopt a new home on another planet, Beijing has launched its so-called 'One China In Africa' policy because of crippling pressure on its own natural resources in a country where the population has almost trebled from 500 million to 1.3 billion in 50 years.

China is hungry - for land, food and energy. While accounting for a fifth of the world's population, its oil consumption has risen 35-fold in the past decade and Africa is now providing a third of it; imports of steel, copper and aluminium have also shot up, with Beijing devouring 80 per cent of world supplies.

Fuelling its own boom at home, China is also desperate for new markets to sell goods. And Africa, with non-existent health and safety rules to protect against shoddy and dangerous goods, is the perfect destination.

The result of China's demand for raw materials and its sales of products to Africa is that turnover in trade between Africa and China has risen from £5million annually a decade ago to £6billion today.

However, there is a lethal price to pay. There is a sinister aspect to this invasion. Chinese-made war planes roar through the African sky, bombing opponents. Chinese-made assault rifles and grenades are being used to fuel countless murderous civil wars, often over the materials the Chinese are desperate to buy.

Take, for example, Zimbabwe. Recently, a giant container ship from China was due to deliver its cargo of three million rounds of AK-47 ammunition, 3,000 rocket-propelled grenades and 1,500 mortars to President Robert Mugabe's regime.

After an international outcry, the vessel, the An Yue Jiang, was forced to return to China, despite Beijing's insistence that the arms consignment was a 'normal commercial deal'.

Indeed, the 77-ton arms shipment would have been small beer - a fraction of China's help to Mugabe. He already has high-tech, Chinese-built helicopter gunships and fighter jets to use against his people.

Ever since the U.S. and Britain imposed sanctions in 2003, Mugabe has courted the Chinese, offering mining concessions for arms and currency.

While flying regularly to Beijing as a high-ranking guest, the 84-year-old dictator rants at 'small dots' such as Britain and America.

He can afford to. Mugabe is orchestrating his campaign of terror from a 25-bedroom, pagoda-style mansion built by the Chinese. Much of his estimated £1billion fortune is believed to have been siphoned off from Chinese 'loans'.

The imposing grey building of ZANU-PF, his ruling party, was paid for and built by the Chinese. Mugabe received £200 million last year alone from China, enabling him to buy loyalty from the army.

In another disturbing illustration of the warm relations between China and the ageing dictator, a platoon of the China People's Liberation Army has been out on the streets of Mutare, a city near the border with Mozambique, which voted against the president in the recent, disputed election.

Almost 30 years ago, Britain pulled out of Zimbabwe - as it had done already out of the rest of Africa, in the wake of Harold Macmillan's 'wind of change' speech. Today, Mugabe says: 'We have turned East, where the sun rises, and given our backs to the West, where the sun sets.'

Despite Britain's commendable colonial legacy of a network of roads, railways and schools, the British are now being shunned.

According to one veteran diplomat: 'China is easier to do business with because it doesn't care about human rights in Africa - just as it doesn't care about them in its own country. All the Chinese care about is money.'

Nowhere is that more true than Sudan. Branded 'Africa's Killing Fields', the massive oil-rich East African state is in the throes of the genocide and slaughter of hundreds of thousands of black, non-Arab peasants in southern Sudan.

In effect, through its supplies of arms and support, China has been accused of underwriting a humanitarian scandal. The atrocities in Sudan have been described by the U.S. as 'the worst human rights crisis in the world today'.

The government in Khartoum has helped the feared Janjaweed militia to rape, murder and burn to death more than 350,000 people.

The Chinese - who now buy half of all Sudan's oil - have happily provided armoured vehicles, aircraft and millions of bullets and grenades in return for lucrative deals. Indeed, an estimated £1billion of Chinese cash has been spent on weapons.

According to Human Rights First, a leading human rights advocacy organisation, Chinese-made AK-47 assault rifles, grenade launchers and ammunition for rifles and heavy machine guns are continuing to flow into Darfur, which is dotted with giant refugee camps, each containing hundreds of thousands of people.

Between 2003 and 2006, China sold Sudan $55 million worth of small arms, flouting a United Nations weapons embargo.

With new warnings that the cycle of killing is intensifying, an estimated two thirds of the non-Arab population has lost at least one member of their families in Darfur.

Although two million people have been uprooted from their homes in the conflict, China has repeatedly thwarted United Nations denunciations of the Sudanese regime.

While the Sudanese slaughter has attracted worldwide condemnation, prompting Hollywood film-maker Steven Spielberg to quit as artistic director of the Beijing Olympics, few parts of Africa are now untouched by China.

In Congo, more than £2billion has been 'loaned' to the government. In Angola, £3 billion has been paid in exchange for oil. In Nigeria, more than £5billion has been handed over.

In Equatorial Guinea, where the president publicly hung his predecessor from a cage suspended in a theatre before having him shot, Chinese firms are helping the dictator build an entirely new capital, full of gleaming skyscrapers and, of course, Chinese restaurants.

After battling for years against the white colonial powers of Britain, France, Belgium and Germany, post-independence African leaders are happy to do business with China for a straightforward reason: cash.

With western loans linked to an insistence on democratic reforms and the need for 'transparency' in using the money (diplomatic language for rules to ensure dictators do not pocket millions), the Chinese have proved much more relaxed about what their billions are used for.

Certainly, little of it reaches the continent's impoverished 800 million people. Much of it goes straight into the pockets of dictators. In Africa, corruption is a multi-billion pound industry and many experts believe that China is fuelling the cancer.

The Chinese are contemptuous of such criticism. To them, Africa is about pragmatism, not human rights. 'Business is business,' says Chinese Deputy Foreign Minister Zhou Wenzhong, adding that Beijing should not interfere in 'internal' affairs. 'We try to separate politics from business.'

While the bounty has, not surprisingly, been welcomed by African dictators, the people of Africa are less impressed. At a market in Zimbabwe recently, where Chinese goods were on sale at nearly every stall, one woman told me she would not waste her money on 'Zing-Zong' products.

'They go Zing when they work, and then they quickly go Zong and break,' she said. 'They are a waste of money. But there's nothing else. China is the only country that will do business with us.'

There have also been riots in Zambia, Angola and Congo over the flood of Chinese immigrant workers. The Chinese do not use African labour where possible, saying black Africans are lazy and unskilled.

In Angola, the government has agreed that 70 per cent of tendered public works must go to Chinese firms, most of which do not employ Angolans.

As well as enticing hundreds of thousands to settle in Africa, they have even shipped Chinese prisoners to produce the goods cheaply.

In Kenya, for example, only ten textile factories are still producing, compared with 200 factories five years ago, as China undercuts locals in the production of 'African' souvenirs.

Where will it all end? As far as Beijing is concerned, it will stop only when Africa no longer has any minerals or oil to be extracted from the continent.

A century after Sir Francis Galton outlined his vision for Africa, the Chinese are here to stay. More will come.

The people of this bewitching, beautiful continent, where humankind first emerged from the Great Rift Valley, desperately need progress. The Chinese are not here for that.

They are here for plunder. After centuries of pain and war, Africa deserves better.

Where will it end?

One Chinese expert was so bold as to suggest that China needed eventually to send 300 million people to Africa to solve its problems of over-population and pollution. What Africans think of the idea is another matter. But they may have no choice as African country after country succumbs to Chinese advances.

 The China Option, the China Problem, The China Fear


By Derek Catsam

7 December 2010

It might be one of the most dramatic changes in Africa in the last decade or so, and it’s crept in so quickly that it is hard to identify when it all happened. Go to Gabarone or Lusaka or Windhoek and you see a new construction project. Look closely. The odds are pretty good that you’ll see Chinese characters on the signs and Chinese workers all over the site.

Neocolonialism on the part of the Chinese? Savvy brokering of east versus west on the part of Africans? Unintended consequence of globalization? Or potentially any of these or all of these depending on the circumstance?

A recent story in the New York Times revealed the tensions between African workers and the Chinese management operating coal mines in Zambia. Naturally there are likely to be tensions between Chinese investors serving one master and Africans with very different interests. Investment rarely comes without the potential for tension.

And yet the only thing that Africans might fear more than the encroaching power of Chinese investors is the possibility that those investors will disappear. One of the many, many discoveries from the Wikileaks documents is revelations of concerns from Kenya that Africa will suffer from agreements between the United States and China. Tellingly, the biggest concern seems to be that the Americans will try to manage Chinese involvement in Africa in ways that would lead to less bilateral cooperation. (Kenya also was stung in Wikileaks when one of the American cables referred to the country as a “swamp of graft.”)

This could very well to prove to be the defining paradigm of African relations with the world. Ideally African states and private interests would be able to play Chinese and American interests off one another to broker the best deals. But that requires certain conditions. Africans rightfully don’t entirely trust the West. It remains to be seen if they ought to place faith in the power in the East.



And yet the only thing that Africans might fear more than the encroaching power of Chinese investors is the possibility that those investors will disappear.

[gigha]

........................ hic

:)


I just come from the planet. That is where i was born.. and it is where i will die.
dont really give a sh.t if i was born in norway. or where my ancsetors came from.
we all breath the same air.. and drink the same water
... and the rain falls :) peace
.

ok i feel better now no harm. Paece

Good for You gigha, then you'll have no problem with a 'ONE WORLD GOVT & SERFDOM!

The UN LOVES YOU...

:)

Thanks i have been trying to figure it...

now i no... where would i be...

without you??

[gigha]

........................ hic

:)


If it is the goal of this NWO or UN or whatever you wanna call it, to bring in a bunch of different nationalities into the country so that all we do is bicker and fight, the simplest way to defeat them would be........hmmmmm let me think..........not fight? Which for some is obviously harder than being peaceful. Gigha is right.

Have you ever stopped to think jackovesk, that all those funny lines you see on a map of the earth, don't actually exist? That is, we draw these lines on our maps to divide the world?

Let me say something rather radical, I understand I might be perceived as a little crazy but here it goes:

I WOULD MUCH RATHER A ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT LIVING IN PEACE, AS OPPOSED TO HUNDREDS OF DIFFERENT COUNTRIES BOMBING THE ABSOLUTE F*CK OUT OF EACHOTHER FOR PROFIT.

What you and gigha Don't Understand is...

Both of you Won't be around for much longer if the UN NWO brings in a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT which involves Eugenics, because both of you will be Dead!

And what makes you so special that you will survive? maybe you are and that would be ok. i am not trying to pick a fight here. i just think if we all stopped seeing things as countries and cultures it would be a lot more easy to get along..

[Lord Sidious]

Let me say something rather radical, I understand I might be perceived as a little crazy but here it goes:

I WOULD MUCH RATHER A ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT LIVING IN PEACE, AS OPPOSED TO HUNDREDS OF DIFFERENT COUNTRIES BOMBING THE ABSOLUTE F*CK OUT OF EACHOTHER FOR PROFIT.

The problem is, they want you to want that, that is why there is so much chaos.
Ordo ab chao.

[davyj0nes]

i'm just reading thru everything, and i can't help but feeling that its a little unfair that it is okay for the Europeans to partake in the benefits of an industrialized society, but when another group, (China, India, ect) tries to access those same benefits they are vilified. I am reminded of Jacque Fresco, and how the capitalist mindset breeds the fear of scarcity.

Just how much Australia does someone need?
What happens when the Australia runs out?
Maybe we could preserve the Australia for future generations?
Foreigners are taking too much Australia, and soon there wont be any for "me".

When i reduce Australia down to a finite commodity it sounds crazy to me, but maybe that's how Australians see it. It is my hope, that Australians see themselves as more that just dwindling supply product.

[pharoah21]

Let me say something rather radical, I understand I might be perceived as a little crazy but here it goes:

I WOULD MUCH RATHER A ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT LIVING IN PEACE, AS OPPOSED TO HUNDREDS OF DIFFERENT COUNTRIES BOMBING THE ABSOLUTE F*CK OUT OF EACHOTHER FOR PROFIT.

The problem is, they want you to want that, that is why there is so much chaos.
Ordo ab chao.

Debatable. However, is having a world with many governments more important than life itself? Is it ok to blow eachother to pieces to keep the world as it is? Do you really love your own government and the current state of the world that much?

[Patrikas]

There are many here in this thread that have brought forward good information on what is happening there in oz, and closer to the truth info for other parts of world His-tory many great points have been brought forward, many that i wasnt aware of and i thank you all for your part in it ,Oz is a special place to me also because it is where i was born and grew up, it is just one part of a beautiful planet we all call home.

I would like to share this with you all as a gesture of unity ,

First,.. we are all children of the Prime Creator, whomever you concieve that to be, before we belong to nations ,culture and tongues,
and it is our connection to, that which was first, always has been and always will be, and to this earth that we all live upon, which can provide understanding & answers to help us navigate this craziness that is all about us, and our part in it, that can be of great assistance to " all" at this time
Creators Blessings to yah all
.

[Lord Sidious]

Let me say something rather radical, I understand I might be perceived as a little crazy but here it goes:

I WOULD MUCH RATHER A ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT LIVING IN PEACE, AS OPPOSED TO HUNDREDS OF DIFFERENT COUNTRIES BOMBING THE ABSOLUTE F*CK OUT OF EACHOTHER FOR PROFIT.

The problem is, they want you to want that, that is why there is so much chaos.
Ordo ab chao.

Debatable. However, is having a world with many governments more important than life itself? Is it ok to blow eachother to pieces to keep the world as it is? Do you really love your own government and the current state of the world that much?

Not debateable at all, only for those who haven't seen the deal yet.
Also, I have no government, I am my own.

[Lotse]

i donth think we learn to share..ego grows when were 3,,after that we might forget to share..
aboriginals are not from Australia??..
the land were they come from and they talk about in there storys refers to another demension right?

[Lotse]

nice to see the chinese once in a topic..if there are more topics them please tell me,interresting.
i once was told that a few years ago there was a illuminated murder case in china wich the chinese ¨secret¨society ,wich contains millions of people from all classes..living by a peace full law so they say,
reacted with a letter to the illuminatie,,that they had most there names and would started killing them if they ever killed a chinese again.
a question to whom might know..isnt it a fackt the chinese warned many many years ago,,if we didnt find a way to get a lot of peple to mars soon
they would start war,,deu to over population..wich is a hoax i know..but it was what they said incuding there war plans,,since there was nothing any one could do any way.
Any one knows any thing bout this?
Greatings,L

[ViralSpiral]

There are many here in this thread that have brought forward good information  on what is happening there in oz, and closer to the truth info for  other parts of world His-tory 
 .
 

Indeed, hence my link to an African perspective. Not to shift the focus, but to broaden it....

This, from this (http://www.resourceinvestor.com/News/2011/6/Pages/Africas-Riding-the-Red-Dragon.aspx) article.: According to Paul Murphy, head of Asia Pacific Mining & Metals at Ernst & Young, Chinese investors have shifted their focus from Australia (In 2009, China became Australia's largest export market, surpassing Japan) and Canada to higher risk destinations which include Brazil (In 2009, China displaced the United States as Brazil’s top trade partner), Ecuador and Africa.


It's not about eugenics, social Darwinism or any other modern label,  it's about my "cubicle" in Oceania.........

[Mad Hatter]

Mad Hatter dons his cynics cap...

So now that our idiot government has decimated the cattle export industry it will be interesting to see who snaps up all that cheap property as those farmers all go broke...

[ViralSpiral]

it will be interesting to see who snaps up all that cheap property as those farmers all go broke...

http://images.zaazu.com/img/Chinese-New-Year-holiday-celebration-new-moon-smiley-emoticon-000409-large.gif

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[jackovesk]

Great Tully Sugar sell-off..!

http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2011/07/05/1226088/341384-110706-tully-sugar.jpg
Apprentice electrician Michael Nucifora, 19, finishes his shift at the Tully mill in North Queensland yesterday as its new Chinese owners took control

AS ANOTHER chunk of Australian agribusiness shifted into foreign ownership yesterday with the sale of a giant north Queensland sugar mill, Alf Cristaudo said sadly: "The Chinese think long-term, we think short-term."

Mr Cristaudo, a third-generation sugar farmer and boss of industry association Cane-growers Australia, has no issue with the nationality of the Tully mill's buyer, the state-owned China Oil and Food Company. His concern is that Australia is selling off its food-producing capacity, piece-by-piece, without thinking through the implications of what foreign ownership means.

"We seem to be selling off the farm so we can go offshore ourselves," he told The Australian. "We've got large superannuation funds and other funds available for investment in this country, but the people running them overlook the significant assets in this country because they think they can always get a better deal offshore. I see that as a real shame, that people overseas can see the value in our businesses and enterprises here, but we can't seem to."

China Oil and Food now controls 61.25 per cent of Tully Sugar after US-based agribusiness giant Bunge yesterday agreed to sell its stake.

A decade ago, most of Australia's sugar mills were run either by CSR, regionally based companies or local grower co-operatives.

But since then CSR has sold the seven mills it operated to Singapore-based Wilmar, which is building up its interests in Australia after last month offering $115 million to buy the Proserpine Sugar Mill.

After Proserpine is sold, the only remaining co-operatives running sugar mills will be in the comparatively small northern NSW industry.

Bundaberg Sugar is owned by Belgium's Societe Financiere des Sucres while 20 per cent of Maryborough Sugar is owned by Malaysian interests looking to increase their stake.

Yesterday, Tully mill workers, mindful of the closure of the nearby Babinda mill earlier this year, were relieved that they still had work.

Tully-born and bred apprentice electrician Michael Nucifora, 19, said the ownership of the mill was secondary to it staying in business. "I think it's good that heaps of companies were interested in buying the place -- it means it's got a good future," said Mr Nucifora, who comes from a canegrowing family.

Australian agribusiness is certainly in hot demand. Spanish company Ebro recently tried to take over the NSW-based Sunrice, while the vast Cubbie cotton station in southwestern Queensland is reputedly being eyed by Middle Eastern buyers.

The purchase of the Tully mill, with its capacity to crush 10 per cent of the nation's entire sugar crop, comes at a time of increasing sensitivity at foreign investment in primary production and food security.

Nationals Senate leader Barnaby Joyce said yesterday he was "extremely disappointed" by the sale.

It demonstrated the need for closer scrutiny of foreign investment in rural industry, the outspoken Queensland senator said.

"If in future there's a dispute between the growers and the mill and the government has to get involved -- and we'd be naive to think that situation will never arise -- then we'd have the situation of the Australian government taking the Chinese government to court," he said.

"Now that's going to be a very uncomfortable situation."

Assistant Treasurer Bill Shorten cautioned that campaigning against foreign investment in Australia's farming sector could raise concerns overseas that Australia was becoming insular.

"It's important that whilst we're maintaining our national interest, we don't send a message to the rest of the world, plant a sign on the edge of the Australian continent saying 'no more investment required'," he said.

The Tully mill can crush up to 2.5 million tonnes of cane a year but will process considerably less this year thanks to the crop devastation caused by Cyclone Yasi in February. It is one of a network of mills that cover Australia's richest sugar producing area, south of Cairns.

The neighbouring South Johnstone mill has been in play in recent years.

High world sugar prices and the closure of the Babinda Mill earlier this year has given the struggling businesses a new lease of life.

China Oil and Food's offer for the Tully mill is $44 a share, which values the mill at $136m.

While this is below the cash threshold required for Foreign Investment Review Board approval, COFCO still needed to gain such approval as it is fully owned by the Chinese government.

COFCO's Australian-based subsidiary vice-chairman, former Queensland treasurer Keith De Lacy, said "some might like to play that card" about foreign ownership, but the sale would inject money into the district at a time when it was needed, in the aftermath of Cyclone Yasi.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/great-tully-sugar-sell-off-proves-bittersweet/story-fn59niix-1226088463624

PS - The Australian NWO Globalist Minions mentioned in this article are the CSR, Bill Shorten & Keith De Lacy.

[jackovesk]

Mad Hatter dons his cynics cap...

So now that our idiot government has decimated the cattle export industry it will be interesting to see who snaps up all that cheap property as those farmers all go broke...

I would replace the word idiot with Corrupt Govt.!!!

Labor knows exactly what is going on and they are doing it on purpose.Period!

[jackovesk]

Not debateable at all, only for those who haven't seen the deal yet.
Also, I have no government, I am my own.

You still have pay their Bills and Obey their Laws...

[phillipbbg]

Like all western cultures we are happy to SELL the land because we don't want to INVEST ...we don't think past the next few years but the Asian mind works in generations of time, like we did 200 years ago... we have become fat on our glut of raped plunder from what are now third world countries and the greed has rotted our minds. I watched us in NSW close port kembla steel works and then start buying our steel from south east asia once they had added value (rolled and shaped) our pig iron... etc.

Now everyone is winging about the Chinese buying up land, sorry if you don't like it get together and friggin mine the minerals yoursefl and then sell them to the Chinese...

SHORT TERM THINKING and stupid greedy politicians ..... and a population that wants a quick buck....without the work.

WAKE UP AUSTRALIA

(By the way I am Australian and proud of it, plus I send money back to the homeland from working in the UK just like the Chinese have been doing in Oz since the discovery of gold over 150 years ago)

Rant over, sorry guys
Have a wonderful day and hope you become business builders instead of Winging colonials....lol

[Ba-ba-Ra]

It's the same old story. The near-sighted, greedy politicians sell out their country for personal gain. Are we surprised?

They make laws or change laws so that this is all possible ~ and most likely get many perks in the bargain, forgetting that their children, grandchildren, etc., will also suffer the consequences of these immoral decisions.

[Lord Sidious]

Not debateable at all, only for those who haven't seen the deal yet.
Also, I have no government, I am my own.

You still have pay their Bills and Obey their Laws...

You know this how?
Assume nothing, speculate little.

[oceanz]

I think the issue of selling off assets to foreign buyers is that long term, only one country will eventually have majority ownership. There will be no grand delusions of a NWO government deciding on the fate of mankind in a fair and equitable way - afterall they sold up to exchange their assets for some paper money.

The one country that has majority ownership will be able to feed their people etc while other countries will lay the blame squarely on that country and not on the lawmakers of their own country.

Solutions, well there will be only one solution and that will be to pass new laws to illegally confiscate those assets which were so easily parted with in the first place not understanding the reprecussions of such actions.

Things should've been kept simple in terms of countries dealing with each other:
Trade or Aid

[pharoah21]

Not debateable at all, only for those who haven't seen the deal yet.
Also, I have no government, I am my own.

You still have pay their Bills and Obey their Laws...

You know this how?
Assume nothing, speculate little.

Sovereign?

[Lord Sidious]

Not debateable at all, only for those who haven't seen the deal yet.
Also, I have no government, I am my own.

You still have pay their Bills and Obey their Laws...

You know this how?
Assume nothing, speculate little.

Sovereign?

No such thing.
I don't have my own nation.

[pharoah21]

Not debateable at all, only for those who haven't seen the deal yet.
Also, I have no government, I am my own.

You still have pay their Bills and Obey their Laws...

You know this how?
Assume nothing, speculate little.

Sovereign?

No such thing.
I don't have my own nation.

Sovereign citizens. There is such thing. A growing movement.

You should look into it.

Too complex for a young boy like me though.

[Lord Sidious]

Not debateable at all, only for those who haven't seen the deal yet.
Also, I have no government, I am my own.

You still have pay their Bills and Obey their Laws...

You know this how?
Assume nothing, speculate little.

Sovereign?

No such thing.
I don't have my own nation.

Sovereign citizens. There is such thing. A growing movement.

You should look into it.

Too complex for a young boy like me though.

You assume I know nothing of them.
As I said, no such thing.
Just because they say they are x, doesn't necessarily mean they are x.
Citizen means subject of the state and sovereign means having the power to do as you wish in your own territory.
Both of those are polar opposites.

[pharoah21]

You're right LS

Sovereign people I should say.

My bad.

[Lord Sidious]

You're right LS

Sovereign people I should say.

My bad.

You used the title they use, that isn't your error.