Is Humanity a Lie?

[Anno]

Even within the alternative community there are topics considered 'Fringe'. I'd like to discuss one today.

Are all humans, human? Does every body have a spirit in it? Do all spirits really come from the same source?

When I first read about Organic Portal theory I wasn't very keen on it. It went against everything I believe in equality. However, I no longer believe in anything as I can't tell any more what is real and what is conditioning.

I try to approach each subject based on 'knowns' or 'self evident facts'.

I think most of us here will agree that the human body is a 'suit' or 'vehicle', as are animal bodies and some would say plant bodies. If this is true then that does provide the possibility for some of them to be running on autopilot or being piloted by any number of different spirits.

This would seem a logical explanation for some of the behaviour we see in the world and have trouble understanding. Personally I have met people that exist in purely closed loops. They think and act in identical patterns without deviation and seem resistant to new information.

I've 'felt' humans who are empty and some that contain an energy that is anything but human. Have any of you experienced this?

Could MK tech be based on finding empty suits on autopilot or forcing the spirit out creating such an empty suit?

If the body really is a suit then the whole concept of all humans are humans and equal/the same, is total none-sense. There could be anything or nothing in them.

What do you think?

[pharoah21]

I only read the first few lines of your post, and I will answer it with this.

We were put on this world with the intention not to know where we came from. Otherwise we would know. It doesn't really matter to be honest. Just do the best you can while you are here, and make the most of it.

If you have no spirit, at least you made the most of your time here.
If you do have a spirit, at least you've used it well.

I have started to understand that true wisdom is simple. Simplify things, and you start to understand it more. Don't get hung up on understanding what goes on behind the scenes of human life.

Let your inquisitive mind be guided by your heart. ;)

[Anno]

[...]If you have no spirit, at least you made the most of your time here.[...]

How can that be true if there is no 'you' inside the body? 'You' would just be a tool of other spirited beings and when 'your' body dies that'd be it. No after-life, no reincarnation, just worm food.

[Warlock]

I have started to understand that true wisdom is simple. Simplify things, and you start to understand it more. Don't get hung up on understanding what goes on behind the scenes of human life.

Let your inquisitive mind be guided by your heart.

I agree.
I also think we need to admit that there are things we can speculate on, but we really don't know.
Do we have a spirit? I guess we will all find out when we die.

Warlock

[rewired]

I've asked myself similar questions.Is it possible that there is only so many conscious souls playing this game.What if there are x amount of walking human space suits walking around on auto pilot.Programmed to keep us playing and when need be can be taken over by a controller in a universal watchtower to keep us on course.So many times while watching the news people say"How can he do that,its like he has no soul".And then I question how a creator can just sit back and watch his creations suffer.Maybe there is a link that fits in these theory's.I find the puzzles of life and this world exciting.To me questioning these mystery's is part of the spice of life.I'm sure we will find out in the end either way.But asking questions is part of playing this crazy game.Plus I get bored easy.

[<8>]

Vi are all spirits and we all come from the source. I se it like a school down here on earth. Many say that we are in first grade here and dont know any better then start war and so on. Then there are some who say this is the last test and thats why its so hard down here. I think many of us who are awake have jumpt in to this world to help out here. Thats why you se people running around on autopilot, they are so dumd down by the system they cant help them self.
I think we are here to raise the wibration thats the main thing. ofc i try to tell my close ones around me and they get some parts. But they are far from the big pic and thats OK. It just that they need to go down here 1 more time or more to make it out of this world. And if this is the end of this world here im sure there are many worlds out there who are close to this world. And then they go there and get it right there. No biggy :)
I focus on forgive my self for all things i made wrong here and forgive them who hurt me. I dont whant any karma so i need to go back down here 1 more time.
I think all things got spirits in them and next time you maby whant to be a tree or a rock thats ok to there are no limits.
We dont know all and we are not suppose to know all. Its not a school if we know it all.:P And if you next time whant to be a dog maby you know less of the source and where you came from OR you know it all and thats why dog are so happy IDK..:)

Love you all...

[Radi]

Is Humanity a Lie? - I don't know! but I'v seen that emptiness in some people. And I think it's like there is the mind but the connection with the Higher Self is broken and we see it as emptiness. I think that this condition have the pure potential. And I think that no matter how lost is the connection in that people, and how lost they look like, they seek the Higher Self and they walk through a lot of suffering and darkness in order to find it again. The ,,implanted mind'' create that hole in them and until they get rid of most implanted , they cant find that connection. they cant be ..whole'' again.

[RedeZra]

I suppose a soul is an ethereal suit and a vehicle which carry it's unique impressions memories talents and temperaments from here to there

it is like the thread that runs through the pearls and periods of physical existence

where are we when we're not here ? well we must be there or somewhere !

life would be pointless and devoid of meaning if we just have this one life... and so the saints sages and the scriptures inform us that there is something within our physical bodies that survives physical death... and that is the soul

do we all get to the same place or state of mind when we die ? the saints sages and scriptures inform us that there are many mansions or estates of the Mastermind... and that we get where we deserve to be and soforth


does that mean that there are here and now on earth incarnated souls from both Heaven and Hell and all the estates in between ? well I suppose so ; )

[ulli]

I'm not too sure if everyone has a soul, but I consider it healthy to assume they do.
In my case I know I do, simply because I have perceived so many astonishing miracles in my life. Landed on my feet, again and again, and against all odds.
When nothing happens that looks like a supernatural intervention I become vexed....lol...I guess I am spoilt.
Seriously, the coming crisis may just be what is needed to turn everyone into a believer in an almighty, allknowing, allloving force.
Like when you are in a plane during a terrible turbulence.....even the atheists start praying.
Before praying to God to intervene with the dangerous earth changes one could simply pray to God and ask for an increase of our amazement and wonderment at Him/Her.
There is always an answer, without fail. Just keep the inner saboteur quiet for 24 hours.

[Hervé]

Thanks for asking THE most fundamental of questions!

This connects to Adm. Hoover and his "Biggest Secret" as well Inelia's message to all: "We all can do it and more."

To give everyone a common ground and starting point as well as a "Box" to think with and out of, read this guy's accounts, research and discoveries as to how an entire planet can be programmed into skull-dwelling zombies: http://web.archive.org/web/20110208115750/http://matrixrevealed.com/

From there one would be able to understand that the so-called "status quo," sheeples, unawake, unaware vast majority; i.e. the skull-dwelling zombies can be generated and maintained... very simple technique which has been used for eons: post-hypnotic command/order. Re-enforced at nauseam by world religions.

With that, no problems at all to manufacture organic portals or whatever MKultra tools necessary.

In his writings you'll run into an example of someone recounting an abduction where that person witnessed its body driving a car while its body intelligence was being whisked aboard a UFO and "it" witnessing the whole thing from somwhere.

There you have all the elements of the scam: body -- soul/mind/body intelligence -- spirit/higher self... with Spirit having been firmly convinced it is a body and that it must take care of its soul (S.O.S.) Simply because "spirit" can be hypnotized if it believes it can or has been convinced such is possible.

So, the above may help you realize that YOU are YOU having a soul/body intelligence which in turn is in charge of maintaining a biological body.

Have fun in your research and discoveries.

[Mad Hatter]

Mad Hatter dons his contrarian cap..

What if the whole concept of souls and life after death was simply a cavemans way of giving comfort to a distraught child who had just lost it's parents and the whole thing has spun out of control ever since? :eek:

[Carmody]

"However, I no longer believe in anything as I can't tell any more what is real and what is conditioning."

That is the point in life where growth begins. it is also the point at which you can be shifted, altered, or taken.

Point is: Shields and guard up, but remain open.

Discernment and process is the name of the game.

And we move forward, slowly. For it takes far longer to absorb than we are willing to admit.

Two things cannot occupy the same operational space.

Therefore....step one.. is the tearing of the old.

[Carmody]

Mad Hatter dons his contrarian cap..

What if the whole concept of souls and life after death was simply a cavemans way of giving comfort to a distraught child who had just lost it's parents and the whole thing has spun out of control ever since? :eek:

Have you ever experienced a single moment that is outside of time and dimension?

If you have, ask yourself how you resolved the paradox.

Did you decide there is not enough evidence to think it is real?

For if it was real, then your entire mode of existence needs to change.

usually, it takes dozens of instances before a given being will even attempt to shift their consciousness as this aspect of the human mind is very stubborn.

it cannot accept that it's mode of being needs change, for this is a fear that is deep as life itself, regarding the idea of an avatar or body with a consciousness within.

Opening the self begets growth and opening. Fear and desire keep the shell intact.

The hardest part is to use logic and truth within -and to- the self. the first break, the first moment, that is the difficult point.

It comes as hard as the idea of protecting the self (to the death in a fight or arena).

My point is that people can wait until they are on their deathbeds before they give themselves a real choice, a real life. Or they can be safe in illusion.

It is interesting that last regrets in life center around this exact point.

You have been led to believe that the logical human is not the spiritual human. On the contrary--not even remotely true! The illusion most of us are in has awarded that position to the scientist. But the scientist is emotionally blinded and misses half the data. Logically, they cannot possess a workable critical function for they are 'incomplete'. True logic says this is a real and actual point that is self evident. The scientist and similar can only exist in paradox, as their data set is incomplete. Which the evidence of such is in every single text for scientific use. Paradox.... sits there as the ruler of the edge/limit of their perception.

The elevated spiritual person is the most logical you person you will ever meet.

Becoming one ---is as easy as disarming the ego, this ego...which is controlling the physical aspects of mind-thought formation at the base level.

[Omni connexae!]

A lie? Prehaps.

A beautiful lie.

Regaurding equality, I would be inclined to say we all have equal potential. Although untill we are able to categorically measure, test and define every part of a human's "worth", ie creativity, dedication, imagination, critical thinking, sense of humour... ad infinitum.. and then determain a way to weigh these concepts up against each other.. and a whole slew of other things: one will never be able to honestly, meticulously say wether or not we are all equal.

Although, untill then: it certainly offers a great moral backbone.

[Carmody]

A lie? Prehaps.

A beautiful lie.

Careful, you just accepted paradox. (we do it all the time) Any other position would challenge your limits and something deep within you would have to die in order to have something new arise in it's place.

do you understand? :)

[ancientastronauts]

I think this answer simplifies too much. we are connected and this is proven, Time and Again. Group Meditation, Rainbow Body, ESP, Entanglement, etc.. I don't think we are just supposed to have a good time. I think we are to connect and understand the higher power or connection, or whatever you want to call it.

[Omni connexae!]

A lie? Prehaps.

A beautiful lie.

careful, you just accepted paradox. Any other position would challenge your limits and something deep within you would have to die in order to have something new arise in it's place.

do you understand?

No, could you break it down for me please? :)

[ulli]

"However, I no longer believe in anything as I can't tell any more what is real and what is conditioning."

That is the point in life where growth begins. it is also the point at which you can be shifted, altered, or taken.

Point is: Shields and guard up, but remain open.

Discernment and process is the name of the game.

And we move forward, slowly. For it takes far longer to absorb than we are willing to admit.

Two things cannot occupy the same operational space.

Therefore....step one.. is the tearing of the old.


One could even consult a professional unlearner....I once came across The Academy of Unlearning...;)

[Nyce555]

I read in a book once about how some people are born with a dark soul, meaning the absence of Light/God. These souls have no compassion and end up being sociopaths, users and abusers. They feed on other people's energies to survive. I also read that there are people with "gray" souls. These are people that could go one way or the other. If they suround themselves with people of Light engery they can eventually become Light energies also. I though this was a very interesting theory and it makes sense in many ways. I like to think I am a Light bodied individual. :)

[ceetee9]

When I first read about Organic Portal theory I wasn't very keen on it. It went against everything I believe in equality. However, I no longer believe in anything as I can't tell any more what is real and what is conditioning.

Perhaps that is what is meant by 'awakening.' I think the world would be a much better place if we ALL put less energy into 'beliefs' and blindly accepting and following our 'leaders' and 'experts' and more energy into questioning, discerning, and maintaining an open mind.

Personally I have met people that exist in purely closed loops. They think and act in identical patterns without deviation and seem resistant to new information.
I'm sure we all know people like this, and they may be running on autopilot or piloted by different spirits, but they could also just be spirits who have no desire to learn anything more than what they need to know to survive and provide for their families. I respect that. Not everyone here is on a quest for the truth or trying to uncover the secrets to life.

I've 'felt' humans who are empty and some that contain an energy that is anything but human. Have any of you experienced this?

If, by your statement, you mean those who are empty are of the autopilot variety and those who have energy anything but human are of the highly charged, intellectually and/or spiritually stimulating variety, yes, I have experienced this many times. And while I prefer the later variety, there are times when I just want to kick-back, relax and enjoy the simple things in life that the former variety portends.

If the body really is a suit then the whole concept of all humans are humans and equal/the same, is total none-sense. There could be anything or nothing in them.

I guess that depends on whether you consider spirits to be unequal. If you subscribe to the tenant that all spirits are a spark of the Creator then humans are all equal regardless of what type of spirit inhabits the body 'suit.' This does not imply, however, that all spirits are of equal footing on the road back to the Creator anymore than saying all humans are intellectual genius'.

[Lefty Dave]

Greetings,
If energy can not be destroyed...only converted into something else....and we are energy...then it stands to reason we convert into something else upon our earthly demise....
Like you, I have had a hard time accepting there is something more to us than just the body and present life'.....then...40 some years ago, I read a book called IN SEARCH OF BRIDEY MURPHY...and started reading more on reincarnation...and found that I just couldn't accept the fact that all these people were lying...or hallucinating...so...I have come to accept that there is existence after bodily termination...and therefore SOMETHING inside us that lives on forever...even if it's just energy. Great question though, and I thank you for it.
Blessings

[Maia Gabrial]

Could one possibility be that our higher selves are experiencing life through us via remote control?

[aranuk]

Could one possibility be that our higher selves are experiencing life through us via remote control?

I've never heard that said before MG !! I like it though. :cool:
So we use your words above as a given and then I now speculate that before we come down into 3D. We, meaning our Higher or Extended selves and this part that is going to enter 3D agree what things we are going to encounter here. Now so that the incarnated part of us that has free will cannot change direction or refuse to pay back some karma we are debilitated by having this invisible curtain or veil in front our eyes and memory of where we really came from. Because if we KNEW what we have really came to 3D to do we could avoid doing it. The thing that buggers my brain about the karma thing is this. We are told by the gurus that we must try to also create good karma and avoid like hell creating any bad karma. The gurus say if we create any bad karma we have to come to 3D again to receive our come uppances. But surely if we ONLY create good karma we should to have to come back again to receive our payments. So to stop getting to come back here in 3D we should NEITHER create good karma or Bad karma. What's the point in coming here and not doing ANY good. Doesnt all this seem like NONSENSE?

Stan

[1159]

As I understand it all humans have a unique gift, that is the ability to exercise free will. To make choices and decisions. Even if they are literally imprisoned physically, they can still make choices internally. This is a very special part of being human as it allows us to change the course of our lives in any way we wish. There are many stories that show bionic like creatures, such as Terminator that are programmed to kill and follow orders implicitly. What's interesting is that the human part of them often breaks through and allows them to break free from the robotic program.

We all have a compassionate side to our free will, what we need to do is choose to nurture the creative and positive side of human nature and not succumb to the cold controlling force of distruction. Regardless of our bloodline/ gene pool or bionic factory, if we are a human hybrid, we still have the power of choice, somewhere within.

[Anno]

I've finally come up with a theory I feel comfortable with.

If we accept that the human body is a suit/vehicle for remote experience of reality then there is no reason whatsoever that each human body would contain the 'same' type of spirit or any kind of spirit at all.

However, if everything comes from 'source' then everything must contain part of that source so nothing can ever be truly 'evil'.

I'm still not happy to accept the idea that there are beings with no spirit at all but I can not ignore the existence of people that look, feel and act like that. I'm sure we all have experience of at least one person who would fit in to this description.
I also know of people who have experienced 'take overs' where some other entity has tried to push them out of their body to take over.

Perhaps if the 'spirit' or 'pilot' of the human body does not exercise its sovereign status and free will then it becomes controlled by the spirit of the age, which for us, is the Kali Yuga.
It starts playing the part of a 'None Playing Character' and becomes an agent of 'The Game'.

Viewed from a place of fear we see these people as evil, dark and destructive but really they are not. Viewed from love they represent the necessary destruction for a new creation to take place. Creation > Recreation. I'm assuming that aslong as they keep their connection to their spirit active then they can claim their sovereignty and become free at any point.

Yet if the spirit is weakened, bullied and tricked then it can abdicate control to another being and this is where we get possession, be it permanent or temporary. I believe most posession only lasts for brief periods and the 'other being' then retreats beneath the surface.

An Organic Portal then, is ANY physical form.

I also see Soul and Separate from Spirit. Soul I see as the energetic field created by a living entity. It is the 'form', the background radiation if you like, that is shared by all similar forms. It holds them together. When the being dies, the soul energy returns to the Earth just like the molecules in the physical body. It is this energy that parasites feed upon, not Spirit which can not be touched by darkness.

Summary:

Spirit is the 'awareness' or 'sentient' energy being that is piloting the physical form that is held together by the Soul.

This way a being can have a Soul without having a Spirit or can have multiple Spirits.

Organic Portals are everyone. If your spirit is not in control then someone/thing else will control you. This may be the generic spirit of the age using you to keep everything going while you're on autopilot or it may be a hostile spirit that simply wants to evict you and take over your body for its own ends, permanently or temporarily.

Perhaps MK is an earthly based method for achieving this control, related to AI. I create a 'program' of my spirits intention and put it into another being without the need to 'possess' them.

[aranuk]

Anno I understand what you are saying here. Hmmm. Where did I read a post where it was said that about 50% of humans don't possess a soul? I'm sure it was on this Avalon forum somewhere. I was quite enamored by that idea as I have met lots of people which would certainly fit that picture fine. Perhaps the ones who are STS mostly don't seem to have a soul. Mind you I've always believed we all have souls and a spirit. But we can all speculate and eschew other possibilities can't we without having to drop the one we've had for most of our lives. Bearing in mind what certain teachers have told us about ridding all our preconceptions and such like things and become as a child. I have to end here as I am being told to get my suitcase packed for holiday tomorrow morning.

Stan

[Anno]

Anno I understand what you are saying here. Hmmm. Where did I read a post where it was said that about 50% of humans don't possess a soul? I'm sure it was on this Avalon forum somewhere. I was quite enamored by that idea as I have met lots of people which would certainly fit that picture fine. Perhaps the ones who are STS mostly don't seem to have a soul. Mind you I've always believed we all have souls and a spirit. But we can all speculate and eschew other possibilities can't we without having to drop the one we've had for most of our lives. Bearing in mind what certain teachers have told us about ridding all our preconceptions and such like things and become as a child. I have to end here as I am being told to get my suitcase packed for holiday tomorrow morning.

Stan

I just don't feel right with the idea of a set group of people not having a soul. If we're all one then we must have. Perhaps just the 'flavour' is different or something. People choosing to not act like they have a soul, I can accept and I see plenty of that. But the idea of people not having one just feels wrong.

Enjoy your holiday!

[dan i el]

yeah but, if you have a seed of an apple tree you can´t appreciate it´s fruit unless you first sow it in the orchard and try help it grow. Einstein said he thought <God was a gardener; as gardeners know: not every apple seed planted in the orchard will always grow into a tree.

[dan i el]

Anno I understand what you are saying here. Hmmm. Where did I read a post where it was said that about 50% of humans don't possess a soul? I'm sure it was on this Avalon forum somewhere. I was quite enamored by that idea as I have met lots of people which would certainly fit that picture fine. Perhaps the ones who are STS mostly don't seem to have a soul. Mind you I've always believed we all have souls and a spirit. But we can all speculate and eschew other possibilities can't we without having to drop the one we've had for most of our lives. Bearing in mind what certain teachers have told us about ridding all our preconceptions and such like things and become as a child. I have to end here as I am being told to get my suitcase packed for holiday tomorrow morning.

Stan

I just don't feel right with the idea of a set group of people not having a soul. If we're all one then we must have. Perhaps just the 'flavour' is different or something. People choosing to not act like they have a soul, I can accept and I see plenty of that. But the idea of people not having one just feels wrong.

Enjoy your holiday!

How about that everyone has the potential for a soul but there is no guarantee that you will have infinite chances at immortality? 2nd law of thermodynamics/ entropic systems and all that--

[TargeT]

I've asked myself similar questions.Is it possible that there is only so many conscious souls playing this game.What if there are x amount of walking human space suits walking around on auto pilot.Programmed to keep us playing and when need be can be taken over by a controller in a universal watchtower to keep us on course.

I've often wondered at this, some people definitely seem like what I refer to as "place holders"

maybe thats what "charles" meant when he said it was a mistake to let us reach this population level,, too many suits, not enough drivers? (nah, probably some control freak motive...) either way, I've often thought that this was just an amusement park ride, maybe we got trapped in it, maybe thats just part of the ride.. I bet its pretty "boring" being omnipotent

[Anno]

How about that everyone has the potential for a soul but there is no guarantee that you will have infinite chances at immortality? 2nd law of thermodynamics/ entropic systems and all that--

One of the books I'm reading at the moment is all about entropy so what you're saying makes a lot of sense. It pretty much sees 'The Darkside' as Entropy. As with your Gardener comment, you know that cutting some things down or picking an animal for food does seem negative but when viewed with the bigger picture or gardener's view, entropy is fundamental and really important.
I think this would come under my idea that if a person isn't connected with their soul/spirit then the spirit of the age or entropy will use them as a tool.