Hillary Clintons ET Book discovered

[The One]

Remember this

In the 1990’s Laurance Rockefeller became interested in paranormal phenomena, especially with UFOs and Extraterrestrial visitation. He funded scientific investigations and organized and funded a briefing document to record the best evidence (Open Minds journalist, Antonio Huneeus was a key contributor to this document). Rockefeller also conferred with the Clintons regarding the release of files by President Bill Clinton.

Researcher Grant Cameron, who runs the website HillaryClintonUFO.net, was able to retrieve documents through the Freedom of Information Act that showed Rockefeller was soliciting help form Hillary’s staff on drafting a document to President Bill Clinton in 1995. The title of the document was: Lifting Secrecy on Information About Extraterrestrial Intelligence as Part of the Current Classification Review.

In August of 1995 the Clintons made a trip to Rockefeller’s JY Ranch near Jackson’s Hole, Wyoming. Many speculate that UFOs and ETs must have been a subject of conversation during the visit. However, there has never been any proof of this, until now.

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In these famous pictures of Hillary and Rockefeller walking on a wooded path during the visit, Hilary is holding a book. For years researchers have been trying to figure out which book she is holding, to find out if it would provide clues as to the nature of their conversation. Finally, Tonio Cousyn (known as elevenaugust at Open Minds Forum) has figured it out. He discovered that the book is Paul Davies’ Are We Alone? Philosophical Implications of the Discovery of Extraterrestrial Life. The images below show how he discovered this.


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Amazon describes the book as: “The authentic discovery of extraterrestrial life would usher in a scientific revolution on par with Copernicus or Darwin, says Paul Davies. Just as these ideas sparked religious and philosophical controversy when they were first offered, so would proof of life arising away from Earth. With this brief book (160 pages, including two appendices and an index), Davies tries to get ahead of the curve and begin to sort out the metaphysical mess before it happens. Many science fiction writers have preceded him, of course, but here the matter is plainly put. This is a very good introduction to a compelling subject
Although we do not know whether Hillary brought the book or if Rockefeller gave it to her, it does confirm that extraterrestrial life was part of their conversation.

For more information on the Clinton’s UFO history read our story on Obama and UFOs, or for detailed information visit Grant Cameron’s HillaryClintonUFO.net and PresidentialUFO.com.

http://www.openminds.tv/obama-administration-startling-ufo-connections/

[seko]

Nice find the one, it clearly proves that we are all in the same boat looking for answers to the unknown.
They don't know everything.

[crosby]

that question has been nagging me since, i don't even know for how long. thank you The One for finally putting at least one of our questions to rest. yay.....
regards, corson

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

great find The One!

Thanks for that

PVM

[Rocky_Shorz]

has anyone ever read this book?

[crosby]

has anyone ever read this book?

can't say that i have, but i'm sure going to try to find it now.
regards, corson

[firstlook]

Here is one review.

http://www.setileague.org/reviews/arwealon.htm


ARE WE ALONE?
Philosophical Implications of the Discovery of Extraterrestrial Life
by Paul Davies (1995)
Davies argues that SETI is challenging a longstanding view that the universe is dying -- a view influenced by the degenerative effects generated by the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
In the chapter A Brief History of SETI , Davies pays attention not only to contemporary SETI projects like that of the Planetary Society, the SETI Institute and others, but shows that among the Greek and Roman philosophers we already had the first rational attempts to justify the existence of ETI. His discussion of the Roman philospher Lucretius and the Greek atomist philosopher Epicurus in this respect, is quite well done. When he comes to the 20th Century he concludes that it is especially the post war spurt of technology and science which rekindled interest in SETI, after the first part of the 20th Century when ETI was found mostly in fictional literature. He singles out the advances in the understanding of the chemical basis of life, the discovery of the structure of DNA and the subsequent cracking of the genetic code.

The origin of life became a serious subject of scientific inquiry, and so by implication did SETI. Given the right conditions and appropriate chemicals, life could emerge not only spontaneously on Earth, but other planets as well. After referring to Frank Drake's Project Ozma and others, Davies emphasizes that the discovery of even a single example of extraterrestrial life would be immensely significant to the theory a of chemical and inevitable consequence of the outworking of the laws of chemistry and physics , given the right conditions. Such a discovery could be life in extraterrestrial rocks : "Undoubtedly the definite discovery of say, a non-contaminant living bacterium inside a meteorite would be immensely exciting and important."

Just after the publication of this book in 1995, Goldin and McKay of NASA and Stanford University announced their findings on rock ALH84001 from Mars! Debate on possible contamination continues to this day.

When one reads this book and compares it to others written on extraterrestrial life, I think what makes this book so much interesting is that it justifies SETI from a new scientific paradigm, and that is chaos/complexity theory. This appears in almost all chapters of this book. Coherent with this, Davies philosophically criticizes classical-causal determinism which led to a mechanist paradigm in science. Here the reader must not deduce that Davies rejects the pinciple of causality in science -- far from it. What he states is that the causal principle (which -- in my view -- is the basic mechanism of natural selection) is incomplete. It is to be completed by the principles of spontaneous self-organization. This rather supports a progressive self-organizing universe (not a dying one) celebrated in the works of the Nobel Prize winner Ilya Prirogine and Ernst Janisch. This makes it understandable why Davies has a much more optimistic approach to SETI than, e.g., Dawkins and Gould.

One can discern this line of his thinking in the chapter Extraterrestrial Microbes. Here Davies discusses three philosophical positions concerning the origin of life:

miracles. He explains why he rejects this
improbable accident which he also rejects.
inevitable outcome of the working of laws of physics and chemistry which he supports in conjunction with chaos/complexity theory.
The third position is what most SETI scientists support and this in turn depends on three philosophical pillars: a) Principle of the uniformity of nature: Laws thoughout the universe are the same; b) Principle of plenitude: that which is possible in nature tends to become realized (this has already been invoked by Lucretius in his argument for other inhabited worlds!); c) The Copernican principle of mediocrity: The Earth is not special in position or status in the universe; it rather is a typical planet aroused a typical sun in a typical galaxy.
If life was to be the outcome of a complete random accident of infinitesimal probabilities as Position #1 maintains, then it is almost certain that there is no other life within our horizon. As opposed to this, Davies then joins with Carl Sagan and Stuart Kaufmann. Sagan defends the thesis of the abundance of life in the universe; Kaufmann works out the thesis of self-organization which Davies then argues will support the widespread occurrence of life in the universe.

Life is much more probable than the simple solutions of random molecular shifts would indicate. Matter evolves naturally along certain pathways of evolution leading to states of ever greater complexity:

"When complexity crosses a certain threshold a system may said to be living. There are many ways that chemical (and maybe non-chemical) processes can self-organize to the point at which life emerges, so we should not expect extraterrestrial life to resemble our own in its basic chemistry. If this so it is likely that life can evolve in a wide range of environments. There is no need, for example, to demand liquid water or carbon."
Thus Davies is not what Carl Sagan called himself, a carbon chauvinist.
In Alien Message Davies explores the consequences of the detection of an alien signal. Like Carl Sagan, Davies is also interested in the relationship between science and religion/theology. There are no conclusive theological reasons against SETI, and a signal would support the view that humans are not the pinnacle of evolutionary advance in the universe . Such a detection would discredit the hypothesis that life is the result of a highly improbable random accident.

In Against Aliens Davies examines the arguments of certain philosophers and other scientists against SETI. They are these three:

the anthropic principle
the Fermi's 'where are they?'
the Neo-Darwinian argument of contingency.
He argues in order to demolish all three.
Brandon Carter and Frank Tipler's arguments depends on the formation of life as an exceedinly improbable event. In this respect Davies refers to the lively correspondence between Carl Sagan and Tipler. The Neo-Darwinist contingency argument assumes with many biologists that the course of evolution does not follow any law like trend , but is purely random -- indeed a blind watchmaker, a thesis defended by Richard Dawkins and Stephen Jay Gould. Intelligence is a purely chance phenomenon, exceedingly unlikely to arise elsewhere independently. The contingency thesis strongly depends upon certain philosophical presuppositions.

I think what Davies is trying to say here is that both Dawkins and Gould are over reacting against the Argument by Design. Of course design cannot be a scientific principle, but saying that, it does not follow that there is nothing progressive in evolution, that everything is pure chance -- even if interpreting it as accumulation as Dawkins does. Over against Dawkins, Gould and in a sense also Tipler and Carter, Davies enlarges causality with self-organization and spontaneous origins of life and order. The key property of self-organization lies at the edge of chaos, where systems can suddenly and spontaneously create organized complexity with surprising efficiency. Davies thus rejects both explanation by miracles and stupendously improbable molecular accidents. Self-organization can do the trick!

"None of this is to say that Darwin is wrong: merely incomplete. Nor does it claim that evolution is directed towards some pre-ordained goal ." Contingency for Davies does indeed play a large part in the details of evolution. But the same general trend that can lead to the emergence of life and mind on Earth, also can take place elsewhere in the universe. Evolution is surely not haphazard, accidental, but biological convergence (e.g., the eye) and physical - chemical laws plays a large ordering role.

In The Nature of Consciousness Davies points out that we humans are made of star stuff. He then defends what can be called a Platonic grounding of mathematics. Like Marvin Minsky (of MIT), although not with exactly the same arguments, Davies by implication (Minsky is more explicit and direct on this ) explains why extraterrestrial would do basically the same mathematics as us. It has to do with an underlying order in the universe -- a cosmic connection as he calls it. The ability to do mathematics is not a mere accidental trivial detail.

In Alien Contact and Religious Experience Davies pays attention to the UFO phenomenon. He states that observers of UFO's are mostly genuine honest people of integrity. However he sees this as a deep seated religious need behind the experiences which he think is subjectivistic and not objective. It is a modern variant of a complex of experiences that infuse the folk memories of all cultures through many ages.

I think this book is highly recommendable, especially for members of the SETI League. It will most surely stimulate further discussion and thinking and rethinking. Some chapters are better than others ( I think he could have made much more on the implications in event of the detection of an extraterrestrial signal--this would give his kicking off with the Greek philosophers a good round off), but in the main a well-argued book -- from a philosophical perspective.

[Sloppyjoe]

Nice find the one, it clearly proves that we are all in the same boat looking for answers to the unknown.
They don't know everything.

People like Hilary aren't allowed to know. If major political figures like herself don't have access to that kind of information then that shows you how big the picture really is.

[seko]

Nice find the one, it clearly proves that we are all in the same boat looking for answers to the unknown.
They don't know everything.

People like Hilary aren't allowed to know. If major political figures like herself don't have access to that kind of information then that shows you how big the picture really is.

You bet sloppyjoe, it is a pyramid. Different lies at different levels.

[mojo]

Thanks The One for your effort at finding us interesting tidbits and factoids. The fact that Hillary is carrying a book on this subject is rather intriguing.

[astrid]

Stephen Bassett discovered this a while back , he talks about it at length in his lectures.

http://www.paradigmresearchgroup.org/main.html

Its all laid out in the above link, click on the The Rockefeller Initiative link, left hand side.

Quite an interesting read........

[crosby]

wow, astrid, i did not know how extensive Stephen Bassett's work really is. there is a lot of information there to go through. i know what i'll be doing when i get off work today. lol. it is rather stunning too see that so much ground work has been done, and even more amazing is the fact that some of us feel like we're starting a step one. each day, the learning curve is recreated for me.
thanks so much for the link.
regards, corson

[The One]

it is rather stunning too see that so much ground work has been done, and even more amazing is the fact that some of us feel like we're starting a step one

Spot on corson

Its an education process for us all the more we learn the more we will know.Some of the stuff i put on here are years old but its important that we dont forget all the hard work people have put in for disclosure ( its very easy to forget something).Tbtb would love it if we all forgot but that is not going to happen

[astrid]

Corson, its really worth taking the time to listen to one of SB's presentations,
he lays out the whole disclosure movement, very thoroughly.
The subject of this thread,
is detailed in part one, at 36.36, in the below presentation....

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[jcocks]

Nice find the one, it clearly proves that we are all in the same boat looking for answers to the unknown.
They don't know everything.

People like Hilary aren't allowed to know. If major political figures like herself don't have access to that kind of information then that shows you how big the picture really is.

You're talking about a former first-lady here, as well as someone who is high-ranking in America's current administration. Do you really expect me to believe that she doesn't know that aliens exist, or that her government (at high levels) is in contact with them?

She wouldn't know the whole story of course - in fact, she'd know a miniscule amount - but I wouldn't be surprised if it would turn out that she has had maybe a few meetings with some factions.....
The alien agenda is so utterly huge that it would be nigh on impossible to know everything about it - I doubt even the highest echelons of the shadow government would know EVERYTHING... If it's anything like the corporate world, then there would be different levels of different government departments, all trying to one-up each-other with various agreements with various alien races - both positive and negative. The whole thing is no doubt an utter mess with asses and heads in complete disarray.

Of course, the whole question of how humanity at large will deal with official contact is another kettle of fish, and I doubt even the big boffins in government know how that's going to pan out until it actually happens. In the meantime, there's a whole lot of posturing, discussing, and theorizing to keep everyone busy until it happens...:)

[astrid]

Nice find the one, it clearly proves that we are all in the same boat looking for answers to the unknown.
They don't know everything.

People like Hilary aren't allowed to know. If major political figures like herself don't have access to that kind of information then that shows you how big the picture really is.

You bet sloppyjoe, it is a pyramid. Different lies at different levels.

There is a fair amount of HARD evidence that the Hillary does indeed know PLENTY. Here is one such document....

http://www.paradigmresearchgroup.org/Rockefeller%20Documents/11-1-95%20HD%20Letter%20to%20JG/Letter.jpg

http://www.paradigmresearchgroup.org/Rockefeller%20Documents/11-1-95%20HD%20Letter%20to%20JG/Attachment-LR%20Draft%20Letter%20to%20the%20President-Pg2.jpg

http://www.paradigmresearchgroup.org/Rockefeller%20Documents/2-5-96%20LR%20Letter%20to%20JG/Letter.jpg

more here, as i listed in my post above.

http://www.paradigmresearchgroup.org/main.html

click on the "The Rockefeller Initiative" link, left hand side,

then go to "Clinton Library Document Thumbnails
OSTP Document Thumbnails
OSTP Docs Referencing Hillary Clinton'"