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There is waking up, and there is waking up.
Waking up to what is going on in the outer world, is not the same as waking up to what is going on in the inner world. They are not the same. Being conscious of outer phenomena, is not awareness of inner Consciousness. This is Consciousness being distracted.
Normal ignorance = unaware of Consciousness. We all have the potential of being aware of Consciousness, but we get easily distracted.
The Occult know this. They have created abnormal ignorance, and would have us running all over the place. Anything that appears in the mind has no reality, not even consciousness. It is still a concept, until we quieten the mind down, and realise.
We are being kept occupied. There are many subtle ways of doing this. The most subtlest is to make us 'think' that we are conscious. This is a very subtle twist. In thinking we are conscious, stops us from progressing in any way, it is kept as a vague mystery.
At street level people are being kept in a vacant/dull state. These are two way of being distracted.
Of course in reality we are Conscious beings, but if we jump to that too quickly we will be deluded, and become an easy prey. The hallmark of Conscious awareness is openness and compassion. Even in advanced meditation practices one is told to be aware of rising and sinking. One must never forget basic practises.
Of course one will say, “But I am conscious!” This is still a dualistic concept. Consciousness is merely resting in space, with no thought of I. There is a subtle difference.
We also oscillate in and out of Consciousness, it is important to be aware of this. Otherwise one may glimpse Consciousness in the morning, and go through the whole day assuming one is conscious, when one has in fact forgot all about it.
To be Conscious all day is quite an achievement.
Being mindful and aware of this may keep us from falling into the hands of controllers.
They are at it all day long...and night!
greybeard
2nd July 2011, 18:32
Im laughing.
The more you get into conspiracy theories the further down the rabbit hole you go.
Now the ego has a really big enemy and one can save the world.
Ramana Maharishi said "The world you are tying to save does not even exist"
The powers that be, love to have an enemy, its a sure sign that you are safely asleep and powerless.
The power lies in Spiritual enlightenment.
Chris
DeDukshyn
2nd July 2011, 19:03
When I use the term "saving the world" I mean saving it from our individual and thus collective ego. The world of course doesn't need any type of "saving" more than the changing of our consciousness to think like a whole, rather than only having the ability to think on an individual level. If we are so insistant on living in illusion, let's at least make it mutually known it is an illusion so we can stop being a victim to it, and empowering others' use of it to attempt to induce that state.
After one realizes there is nothing more than illusion, than thought, than dream; it becomes obvious that the only left to do of any value is to turn inward and fix what it is thats wrong that is causing the erroneous perceptions you have of that illusion. This is moving from "awareness" to "enlightenment". my 2 cents ;) There seems to be still quite a gap between those two states for many, but there are plenty of bridges - one just has to look for them ...
Hello Chris,
One has to respect the relative truth.
All the best
Tony
greybeard
2nd July 2011, 19:18
Hello Chris,
One has to respect the relative truth.
All the best
Tony
Yes Tony, Ramana did.
When asked how real the world is his reply "As real as you are"
The further down the rabbit hole you go the more you suffer.
However there are Cosmic laws
I cant leap out a high window shouting "There is no gravity" and expect to escape the consequences of my folly.
Be in this world but not of it, or wear the world like a loose garment. fits well.
We can have great compassion for those stuck in the illusion that they are the body--- and everything " matters " greatly.
One can be tactful and compassionate without entering into the illusion.
Chris
I am still in the illusion, it is where I work.
Though we know of enlightenment the illusory path still has to be travelled.
People are waking up to what they feel are wrong in there lifes atm. I understand that they are not at the level as many here are. But it can be a first step for many to study history and start to learn what the real truth are. After they been beaten by the police or something. And maby it is there journey. who are we to say whats right or wrong?
Love to you all....
Hello 8,
It is not a matter of right or wrong. We all have a journey to make, and there obstacles in the way. Identifying the obstacles will help. The propaganda has been going a long time, everyone will wake at some time, but it takes time.
Again what truth are they searching for, outer or inner?
Im just saying a outher truth can be a first step to the inner truth..:)
Im just saying a outher truth can be a first step to the inner truth..:)
Hello 8,
This is an excellent opportunity to take this subject apart. There will always be outer obstacles, the very moment we see that the obscuration is in the mind, we start our journey. Actually the inner is simpler to find out what is going on, but not so easy. Whether we will ever find out about outer phenomena which endless I'm not so sure. what we can be sure of, is that all things are impermanent. Too much fascination with things is just a distraction, but still the relative has to be respected.
TargeT
2nd July 2011, 20:24
I feel conflicted, and can definately agree with the concept of "ocilating in and out of consciousness" especially as I track the topics I research.
Ego is so subtle, for now i think the fact that I'm questioing my own actions constantly means at least i am aware of that much; the inner struggle does seem the most important, but why do I feel like that might be an egotistical statement?
I feel that by turning inward I am not doing as much as I could for others, but then; isn't thinking that "I" can help others others falling right back into the ego trap?
- iPhones, garbling forum posts is a feature...
I feel conflicted, and can definately agree with the concept of "ocilating in and out of consciousness" especially as I track the topics I research.
Ego is so subtle, for now i think the fact that I'm questioing my own actions constantly means at least i am aware of that much; the inner struggle does seem the most important, but why do I feel like that might be an egotistical statement?
I feel that by turning inward I am not doing as much as I could for others, but then; isn't thinking that "I" can help others others falling right back into the ego trap?
Good point! Inner work is just clearing the mind. The inner obstacles are just concept we hold fixed in the mind. That which is aware of thoughts is pure consciousness. We can easily help others, by just listening and empathising. wanting a result is ego! We all fall into that trap, it's part of the process.
EGO is just consciousness not knowing its true nature which is...pure...empty! Ego gets involved and fills up this pure empty space.
TargeT
2nd July 2011, 21:17
It defiantly seems that ego is very needy and constantly reminding us it's there (if you look for it) I assume that is part of the incessant inner dialogue that I have difficulty stopping at times; an excellent distraction from profound/cohesive thought.
very interesting thoughts.
Thanks all.
truthseekerdan
2nd July 2011, 21:19
When I use the term "saving the world" I mean saving it from our individual and thus collective ego. The world of course doesn't need any type of "saving" more than the changing of our consciousness to think like a whole, rather than only having the ability to think on an individual level. If we are so insistant on living in illusion, let's at least make it mutually known it is an illusion so we can stop being a victim to it, and empowering others' use of it to attempt to induce that state.
After one realizes there is nothing more than illusion, than thought, than dream; it becomes obvious that the only left to do of any value is to turn inward and fix what it is thats wrong that is causing the erroneous perceptions you have of that illusion. This is moving from "awareness" to "enlightenment". my 2 cents ;) There seems to be still quite a gap between those two states for many, but there are plenty of bridges - one just has to look for them ...
You came very close, my friend. :)
We are all returning to a feeling of oneness or wholeness even if we cannot see or understand what it is that is moving us towards this unity. When this Unity in Consciousness is finally realized among humanity and all that is on this planet including it -- then we'll be ready to join the galactic, and universal 'brotherhood'. When everything in the Universe will be Consciously United, the God potential will be realized...
Much Love ~ Dan
I see you talk about "EGO"
Many talk about ego only as let say a bad thing. But can it not be a balance?
If i look back in my life, i see so many times i gave to much so there was nothing left to me. And ofc there was moments i whanted the last piece of pie and started to grab the plate first knowing the others say you take it we are good.
A few weeks ago there was a gypsy girl asking for money to help her mother. (I gave her about 100 us) As i did i my ego told me that money are going to a guy in a car close to us. I told my self that maby it gonna help her today or in this life anyway. I walkt to a store close by, and when i walkt out there was a new girl whanted money. She lookt like a sister to the first girl, when i askt her about that she say no.
Long story short i gave her no money.
I do not know what to make of this story. Only that i try to balance my life now.
Love is in the air......
Artemesia
3rd July 2011, 01:13
Why the '52' pie'n'eal?
DeDukshyn
3rd July 2011, 01:27
When I use the term "saving the world" I mean saving it from our individual and thus collective ego. The world of course doesn't need any type of "saving" more than the changing of our consciousness to think like a whole, rather than only having the ability to think on an individual level. If we are so insistant on living in illusion, let's at least make it mutually known it is an illusion so we can stop being a victim to it, and empowering others' use of it to attempt to induce that state.
After one realizes there is nothing more than illusion, than thought, than dream; it becomes obvious that the only left to do of any value is to turn inward and fix what it is thats wrong that is causing the erroneous perceptions you have of that illusion. This is moving from "awareness" to "enlightenment". my 2 cents ;) There seems to be still quite a gap between those two states for many, but there are plenty of bridges - one just has to look for them ...
You came very close, my friend. :)
We are all returning to a feeling of oneness or wholeness even if we cannot see or understand what it is that is moving us towards this unity. When this Unity in Consciousness is finally realized among humanity and all that is on this planet including it -- then we'll be ready to join the galactic, and universal 'brotherhood'. When everything in the Universe will be Consciously United, the God potential will be realized...
Much Love ~ Dan
Nope that's exactly what I was saying ... I just left out the next stept -- ascension (in a true sense), which you covered for me ;) thanks!
I see you talk about "EGO"
Many talk about ego only as let say a bad thing. But can it not be a balance?
If i look back in my life, i see so many times i gave to much so there was nothing left to me. And ofc there was moments i whanted the last piece of pie and started to grab the plate first knowing the others say you take it we are good.
A few weeks ago there was a gypsy girl asking for money to help her mother. (I gave her about 100 us) As i did i my ego told me that money are going to a guy in a car close to us. I told my self that maby it gonna help her today or in this life anyway. I walkt to a store close by, and when i walkt out there was a new girl whanted money. She lookt like a sister to the first girl, when i askt her about that she say no.
Long story short i gave her no money.
I do not know what to make of this story. Only that i try to balance my life now.
Love is in the air......
Dear 8,
Ego isn't bad, just mistaken. Ego or ordinary consciousness only looks at the physical world, so it judges this with that. This is ordinary awareness, all animals have this. Where humans are different is that they can know the nature of this consciousness, which is emptiness = not a fabrication.
The balance in life is, letting go. When we see something is needed, we can just note it, we tend to it...or not. In that moment you act or not, a lot will depend on ones capacity, motivation and data. Then let go. Allow natural empty consciousness to just be, with no turmoil. Then you are ready for the next moment. In this way you do not have to keep collecting and lugging karma about.
Ego is fine, but don't let it take control. If it is not under control... someone else may control it for you!
All the best
Tony
Why the '52' pie'n'eal?
My wife tells me I have an awful filing system, so I number them. The theory was, perhaps I could use that later. Being a bit of a spontaneous chap, it seems to keep coming out slightly differently, so I suppose I shouldn't bother. But it is easier to find.
All the best
Tony
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When I use the term "saving the world" I mean saving it from our individual and thus collective ego. The world of course doesn't need any type of "saving" more than the changing of our consciousness to think like a whole, rather than only having the ability to think on an individual level. If we are so insistant on living in illusion, let's at least make it mutually known it is an illusion so we can stop being a victim to it, and empowering others' use of it to attempt to induce that state.
After one realizes there is nothing more than illusion, than thought, than dream; it becomes obvious that the only left to do of any value is to turn inward and fix what it is thats wrong that is causing the erroneous perceptions you have of that illusion. This is moving from "awareness" to "enlightenment". my 2 cents ;) There seems to be still quite a gap between those two states for many, but there are plenty of bridges - one just has to look for them ...
You came very close, my friend. :)
We are all returning to a feeling of oneness or wholeness even if we cannot see or understand what it is that is moving us towards this unity. When this Unity in Consciousness is finally realized among humanity and all that is on this planet including it -- then we'll be ready to join the galactic, and universal 'brotherhood'. When everything in the Universe will be Consciously United, the God potential will be realized...
Much Love ~ Dan
Nope that's exactly what I was saying ... I just left out the next stept -- ascension (in a true sense), which you covered for me ;) thanks!
Hmm. I'm starting to wonder if this is just brain washing propaganda. What do you think?
The idea of Oneness has been bothering me.
Oneness as in non-duality makes sense.
Oneness of universal galactic brotherhood.... .and sisterhood.... just does not work.
The unity is within, not outside. It sort of nice, but somehow boring! Nope...! I'd prefer us to be enlightened individuals.
All the best
Tony
dan i el
3rd July 2011, 11:56
The idea of Oneness has been bothering me.
Oneness as in non-duality makes sense.
Oneness of universal galactic brotherhood.... .and sisterhood.... just does not work.
The unity is within, not outside. It sort of nice, but somehow boring! Nope...! I'd prefer us to be enlightened individuals.
All the best
Tony
yes, infinitely preferable imo
If you look at this clip (and believe)
Duality to keep the balance are in the future to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUL6Jne_vwA&feature=related
Dang that was the shorter clip. I cant find the longer one.:P
Well who knows. I guess we gonna know when we kick the bucket...
Dear 8,
Ah! it's one of those days.
If you have the time, do look up Derren Brown, he is an illusionist. People can be made to believe anything.
This very lovely lady went into the 36th century and came back with nothing but her limited imagination.
Believe...what?
It is, one of those days!
Our life is really really precious, and it cannot be based on any sentimentality.
Suggesting that all we have to do is believe, is not the way to fathom the universe. Belief has what has been taught for thousands of years, this is the way to control the masses. To keep things a mystery, means to do no work on your own mind. There is much more to spiritual practise, it is to train the mind. Otherwise someone else will doing it for you. We all have to find out for ourselves, but we need to be prepared to drop anything we find. What is left may be the truth.
Occam's razor is a logical principle attributed to the mediaeval philosopher William of Occam (or Ockham). The principle states that one should not make more assumptions than the minimum needed. This principle is often called the principle of parsimony. It underlies all scientific modelling and theory building. It admonishes us to choose from a set of otherwise equivalent models of a given phenomenon the simplest one. In any given model, Occam's razor helps us to "shave off" those concepts, variables or constructs that are not really needed to explain the phenomenon. By doing that, developing the model will become much easier, and there is less chance of introducing inconsistencies, ambiguities and redundancies.
i am studing Derren Brown atm thank you for that..
So far he shows how easy (they) control mankind.
Dear Pie`n´eal.
Do you suggest that all studies wid hypnosis going back or fourth in lifes are illusions or maby the right word here are (suggestions) It is what we whant to belive thanks to what we have been suggested?
Dear Pie`n´eal.
Do you suggest that all studies wid hypnosis going back or fourth in lifes are illusions or maby the right word here are (suggestions) It is what we whant to belive thanks to what we have been suggested?
I can see what you are saying. But throughout time we have been deceived, led by the nose, and called sinners. Hypnosis and previous lives... well, most of the information seems irrelevant. We are all vulnerable to suggestion. People are too quick to fold their hands together leave their brains at the door. I've done that, and paid for it!
It is all too easy to join the queue, we seem to be made to think that way. And people do tend to take advantage of the power they have. I'm all for your freedom and I'll fight anyone who denies that to you!!!!
All the best
Tony
DeDukshyn
3rd July 2011, 16:06
The idea of Oneness has been bothering me.
Oneness as in non-duality makes sense.
Oneness of universal galactic brotherhood.... .and sisterhood.... just does not work.
The unity is within, not outside. It sort of nice, but somehow boring! Nope...! I'd prefer us to be enlightened individuals.
All the best
Tony
Semantics will destroy humanity I swear ... ;)
The idea of Oneness has been bothering me.
Oneness as in non-duality makes sense.
Oneness of universal galactic brotherhood.... .and sisterhood.... just does not work.
The unity is within, not outside. It sort of nice, but somehow boring! Nope...! I'd prefer us to be enlightened individuals.
All the best
Tony
Semantics will destroy humanity I swear ... ;)
No... it will clarify understanding!
Pie n eal....
I agree wid you here 100%
And as scary as it is to se Derren in action. It is a realy good pointer to understand how they controld humans for so many years.
Thanks for the studys you made me do..:) I will try to keep me eyes open at all times thank you...
truthseekerdan
3rd July 2011, 18:06
The idea of Oneness has been bothering me.
Oneness as in non-duality makes sense.
Oneness of universal galactic brotherhood.... .and sisterhood.... just does not work.
The unity is within, not outside. It sort of nice, but somehow boring! Nope...! I'd prefer us to be enlightened individuals.
All the best
Tony
What you have within, is what you project outside. As above so below...
Hope this makes sense, if eyes are open.
Much Love ~ Dan
TraineeHuman
4th July 2011, 01:07
Just staying in touch with the inner while we live our normal lives is all we need.
truthseekerdan
4th July 2011, 02:14
Just staying in touch with the inner while we live our normal lives is all we need.
We think our lives are 'normal', yet we fail to realize that there is nothing normal without Unity in Love and diversity.
vMLRu-ee8xI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMLRu-ee8xI
dan i el
4th July 2011, 02:56
We're on a farm
Artemesia
4th July 2011, 04:48
I'd prefer us to be enlightened individuals.
Well of course, that's the step that's needed to open the door to at last meeting and regularly hanging out/engaging with some of the other enlightened beings existing in this universe in various dimensions. Even parallel universes. Once we really work on the inner enlightening instead of defining our position in the outer illusion, then the other beings become part of the entourage one is CAPABLE of working with, being friends with, etc. When your consciousness gets to the point that you recognize and 'know' inwardly the truth of the human family -- we are all one another's brothers and sisters in a core sense -- then the next move is to recognize the universal family.
This idea has been co-opted or hijacked (to use the more common term) by those who are bent on keeping things low so this convergence of souls/enlightened beings does NOT occur, by giving it an unusual and yet predictable spin of some great white brotherhood or galactic federation etc etc. Using this technique they easily turn people off from what the core truth of the concept might be, and keep them from looking at what it might actually have the possibility of becoming/being. Sometimes its really useful to look at the stuff that we find very very 'turned off', sit still with it, see the disillusion/disinformation aspect that's been played, move deeper into stillness with the idea, and then voila, REAL possibility and truth can emerge. Its a good technique for 'seeing' ever deeper beyond the veil, and its going to be a necessary skill/art as we move deeper into 2011/2012 because the powers that wanna be will continue to throw up this stuff.
No, the brotherhood isn't going to 'save' anyone. And there is probably a galactic federation and they probably have aspects worth engaging and others being wary of. All of this is totally extrenous and beside the point to the real work of enlightenment. That is where we are at. From there, there are many new open roads. But for right now, the focus is on the awakening and enlightening. You can be pretty sure you're making headway when you start interacting with some of the other enlightened ones who have been wondering what's been taking so long. Its happening all over. In the meantime, there is much to be done......
shijo
4th July 2011, 06:57
well its 8am monday morning, time for spiritual practise, dont feel like doing it today, late night last night. So i will force myself,enlightenment is found in the now not in the future,after 33 years i still find it difficult sometimes to practise.But without practise and study there is no enlightenment, just a bunch of words,and whats more difficult is that you have to wake up afresh every day,so i go to my practise knowing from my experiences that the risk is worth it, my deep respect to all practitioners, regards Shijo.
The idea of Oneness has been bothering me.
Oneness as in non-duality makes sense.
Oneness of universal galactic brotherhood.... .and sisterhood.... just does not work.
The unity is within, not outside. It sort of nice, but somehow boring! Nope...! I'd prefer us to be enlightened individuals.
All the best
Tony
What you have within, is what you project outside. As above so below...
Hope this makes sense, if eyes are open.
Much Love ~ Dan
Dear Dan,
I'm about to nitpick with you, only because you are worth nitpicking with. Your discussions are good and push us to a finer level. What is about to be said in only a generalisation. Somethings are not easy to discuss on a public forum. In buddhism we have different sects, and at a finer level arrive at the view, in a different ways. Therefore much debate goes on...totally unnecessary ..but fun!
Normal life is full of ups and downs, strife and loves, wants and don't want, indifference and suffering. The Sanskrit name for this is Samara = vicious cycle of existence. Which take a lot of mainteånance!
Acquiring spiritual knowledge can have it's problems. That is why we need a teacher. With this knowledge and a bit of practise, a sort of power develops. It can be expressed in many ways. If a practitioner claims this, in any way, they can become a Great Samaric Master. It is totally opposite to the view, and will create much suffering.
That is why some spiritual people are quite annoying! I include myself here...learning is painful, but still we learn!
So that is why the inner is so important, to always be a student, and on the lookout for “I”. There are 5 types of “I”. The mere I.
The reified I = to make solid.
The social I = comes from the interaction with others.
The self cherishing I.
The Atman = believed to be an entity.
As students we have to rely on the mere I. This serves the purpose of barely watching, until that too dissolves, when we arrive at empty essence. Then that can expand to the outer world, to be of benefit to others.
All the best
Tony
The Great Samaric Master's expansion is what the Occult is all about. This is why we must be very careful, of our intents and what we wish for.
greybeard
4th July 2011, 11:22
The whole subject is extremely complex, eventually you give up trying to make sense of it..
One man I met who may be enlightened told me he did Transcendental Meditation for years sometimes hours a day.
One day he just gave up totally.
About a week later he was sitting under a tree on his lunch break and Oneness happened, he just Knew--- all ignorance fell away-- he was free from that bondage.
He was the totality, all of it
He said the experience is undeniable union with God but cant be described in human terms--- it was beyond description.
So we project a lot but there is karma, cosmic law and other things out with our ability to project.
It may be within the ability of Higher Self to bring these events into manifestation in the hope of waking us fully though.
ONE SAGE JOKED The Higher Self would throw you of a cliff if thats what it took to enlighten you,
The moment you surrender your will to the will of God all kinds of things happen, some-- none to pleasant but for you own spiritual evolution and after all you did give permission---- did you not?????? Smiling.
Chris
Steven
4th July 2011, 12:49
And waking up never ends... It is not a place to sit and relax, it is a road full of marvels and sufferings, but the more you go, the more you understand. Personally, understanding is one of my highest impulse. I want to know the truth; these things that never change. Respect yourself and your own rhythm, that is what the Great Spirit do after all.
Namaste, Steven
And waking up never ends... It is not a place to sit and relax, it is a road full of marvels and sufferings, but the more you go, the more you understand. Personally, understanding is one of my highest impulse. I want to know the truth; these things that never change. Respect yourself and your own rhythm, that is what the Great Spirit do after all.
Namaste, Steven
.Hmm...sounds good...yes ...sound good....but...? Nope! It doesn't do it for me!
Hello Steve,
I should qualify that.
There must be an end to waking up. It's like a room that has been in darkness from 10 million years, one flick of the light switch and the darkness has gone. There is an end to learning, into just being. All one can do then is go around bothering people, and telling them about this bright light you have found. Of course they won't want to know as they have got used to the dark. I often wonder what enlightened being talk about. They probably spend all their time laughing at us....the lights on but we have our eyes closed.
There is a teaching this explains knowing one, means knowing everything.
Steven
4th July 2011, 16:23
I don't think there is an end to it, because we are infinite beings. Infinite and eternal, always in transformation. I don't see awakening or illumination or enlightenment as something to attain or achieve. It's in the purposeful illusion that we travel and learn, or not. Life gives an opportunity to awake and be more aware. In this, emotion plays a great part. But it just an opportunity, it doesn't mean it is taken all of the time.
The awakening is always partial and there are always more to discover and learn. Every time we increase our awareness, we get closer to the Great Spirit. But no matter how, we will never reach and encompass the Great Awareness, until the moment it decide otherwise and we reunite as a single, but this is the will of the Great Spirit in its own secret.
My perspective of course. :) I think we simply understand and give meaning to concept a little differently, culture and education might hide something there.
Namaste, Steven
I don't think there is an end to it, because we are infinite beings. Infinite and eternal, always in transformation. I don't see awakening or illumination or enlightment as something to attain or achieve. It's in the purposeful illusion that we travel and learn, or not. Life gives an opportunity to awake and be more aware. In this, emotion plays a great part. But it just an opportunity, it doesn't mean it is taken all of the time.
The awakening is always partial and there are always more to discover and learn.
Namaste, Steven
Good points!
There is no end to the physical planes and physical creations, that has to be infinite. But here we are talking about the non-physical, though pure being is infinite it is just light.
(So I've been told). Do they get brighter and brighter? It is said that once enlightened, these beings can manifest 100,000 times to help all sentient beings. (So I've been told)
I've been told.. my dreamlike form, appeared to dreamlike beings, to follow the dreamlike path, which leads to dreamlike enlightenment.
I still haven't quite worked that one out! Perhaps we just have to go beyond normal thinking to truly understand.
All the best
Tony
truthseekerdan
4th July 2011, 16:49
Dear Dan,
I'm about to nitpick with you, only because you are worth nitpicking with.
Dear Tony,
Thank you for your inquiring, it shows that 'your divine spark' wants to achieve a higher level of understanding... As we become more organized, we become more self-aware and as we become more self-aware, we become enlightened. As we become enlightened, we become universally aware and as we become universally aware, we eventually become universal. As a universal being, we realize the universe is doubling back upon itself to become aware of it self. As the universe becomes aware of itself, it becomes the ultimate presence and as the ultimate presence, it is all things, just as we are all things to each other in this universe.
There is more, this is just a short summary with more to come when free time becomes more available. However, I will let this man explain more in the video below -- he comes very close to what I understand to be the 'state of enlightenment'. Hope you'll agree too...
jLQD90Las5c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLQD90Las5c
"Many people think that enlightenment is an altered state of consciousness. Actually, what we perceive every day through the distorted lens of ego is the truly altered state -- we see things that don't exist, we believe things that aren't happening, and we live in a false world of our own creation. In this direct and practical satsang, Adyashanti opens the door into the clear seeing that is our natural state of enlightenment."
Much Love ~ Dan
Davidallany
4th July 2011, 22:42
Scientific views on consciousness.
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DeDukshyn
4th July 2011, 23:24
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Dear 8,
Ego isn't bad, just mistaken. Ego or ordinary consciousness only looks at the physical world, so it judges this with that. This is ordinary awareness, all animals have this. Where humans are different is that they can know the nature of this consciousness, which is emptiness = not a fabrication.
...
One distinction ...
Human ego = vastly more complex, sentient, and at the same time far more destructive than any animal's ego could ever be, I don't believe for a minute you can conclude a human ego is like an animals ego - there are some basic survival instincts, etc that are common but that is about it.
I recall an Ekhart Tolle story, where he was observing an angry altercation between two ducks in a pond. The altercation was very quick, and ended with the two ducks not ever physically touching each other, and instantly "shaking it off" and carrying on with their day. If only humans could do this instead of holding grudges, getting revenge, backstabbing etc - human ego reactions -
Ego will always only have a limited view at BEST. and that view (if used to make decisions or effect our behaviours), is what causes the human condition, animals do not have the human condition. I think you can conclude that an animal uses it's ego when and where it is needed - basic real world decision making and survival.
Thus I have to plainly say I believe there is much more to it than your above observations allow.
The human ego knows how to manipulate your emotions ... and then reasons are made to justify those feelings, and the reasons become our beliefs, ad infinitum = the ego induced human condition.
Animals plain don't have that problem.
Just my 2 cents. ;)
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