The sovereignty of the Greeks will be reduced dramatically...

[Etherios]

Posted: July 03 2011 17:27

"The sovereignty of the Greeks will be reduced dramatically"

It will reduce the sovereignty of our country, according to chairman of the Eurogroup Jean-Claude Juncker. In an interview with Focus says that things got away "with Greece's fault."

On Monday released the magazine Focus, by interviewing the President of the Eurozone Jean-Claude Juncker.

The Juncker states that the "sovereignty of the Greeks will be reduced dramatically" while announcing sending experts from the Eurozone, which will assist in implementing the reform program.

At the same time, realizing that probably the situation that is created, will generate multiple responses, warns that "not insulting the Greeks, but to help them."

As noted by Mr Juncker, the Greeks' were keen to accept importation of expertise from the Eurozone. "All areas of the Eurozone will send specialists.

The Prime Minister of Luxembourg notes that Greece has for years benefited from the euro.

"On its own fault some things escaped. And now we must join forces back in order, have the Greeks to understand that a collective response."

Also, make reference to the Greek tax system is not working "full extent" and argues that "required for the upcoming wave of privatization, for example, a solution along the lines of the German 'Troichant'", (the Principle of trust had carried out the privatization of state enterprises in the former DDR after German unification in 1990).

The chairman of eurozone states convinced that the new offering assistance to Greece will succeed.

"The package, which agreed that Greece will bring the solution to the country," while stressing that the country needs injections of growth.

"This should also help companies from other countries in the eurozone," said Mr Juncker.

"The EU should temporarily waive the obligation of Greece for financing, should be given to Greece means for economic development, without requiring the payment of its share from Athens," said Mr Juncker.



What should i do ??? Cry my heart out or laugh at their fake worries? Greece is dead and buried and Greeks are just rioting outside alone ... like the jesters that people pass by and ignore...

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Etherios don't worry the Euro was set up to fail.....there was no way economys so diverse as Germany & Greece could be equalised so quickly........Germany industrial /agricultural giants ,Greece sophisticated ,tourism, smaller agricultural based ,it is silly to put each economy on equal footings....The best thing for the southern european states to do is like Iceland...Say to the banks hang on we will try to service our depts but stop the interest..

If that fails just stop paying. This will cause chaos at home but ......something will have to be done..........maybe re organising basic banking from the grass roots on a co-operative basis with no 'Bankster' invovlement may be the way to redistribute wealth and give everyone a new start....Steve

[Etherios]

Thanks Etherios don't worry the Euro was set up to fail.....there was no way economys so diverse as Germany & Greece could be equalised so quickly........Germany industrial /agricultural giants ,Greece sophisticated ,tourism, smaller agricultural based ,it is silly to put each economy on equal footings....The best thing for the southern european states to do is like Iceland...Say to the banks hang on we will try to service our depts but stop the interest..

If that fails just stop paying. This will cause chaos at home but ......something will have to be done..........maybe re organising basic banking from the grass roots on a co-operative basis with no 'Bankster' invovlement may be the way to redistribute wealth and give everyone a new start....Steve

I wish we would have some leaders that were actually caring about the people. They will sell off all our countries assets and then i think we will default. If we ever get to that cause they WILL make us revolt and then once they have ofc sold off everything they will blame the people for the default. Everything is planed so the sheeple never realize the game... Personally i think there is no hope for Greece. I will be moving to someplace else maybe Scotland if i can, Greece will become the 1st 3rd world country in EU. The EU help will push us to our deaths and people will still wont see the truth.

[aranuk]

Hi Etherios, why Scotland? Your not coming here for the weather then? :confused: We have had about 5 days of sunshine in the last 9 months. :rolleyes: Not only that, but. In the last year there were about 250 sightings of a UFO all in about 5 days. The black murky clouds disappeared for about a minute and the UFO was confirmed to be none other than our SUN! Well if you DO decide to come here please come to Edinburgh and don't forget to bring the sun with you ok? :high5:

Stan

[jackovesk]

Posted: July 03 2011 17:27

"The sovereignty of the Greeks will be reduced dramatically"

It will reduce the sovereignty of our country, according to chairman of the Eurogroup Jean-Claude Juncker. In an interview with Focus says that things got away "with Greece's fault."

On Monday released the magazine Focus, by interviewing the President of the Eurozone Jean-Claude Juncker.

The Juncker states that the "sovereignty of the Greeks will be reduced dramatically" while announcing sending experts from the Eurozone, which will assist in implementing the reform program.

At the same time, realizing that probably the situation that is created, will generate multiple responses, warns that "not insulting the Greeks, but to help them."

As noted by Mr Juncker, the Greeks' were keen to accept importation of expertise from the Eurozone. "All areas of the Eurozone will send specialists.

The Prime Minister of Luxembourg notes that Greece has for years benefited from the euro.

"On its own fault some things escaped. And now we must join forces back in order, have the Greeks to understand that a collective response."

Also, make reference to the Greek tax system is not working "full extent" and argues that "required for the upcoming wave of privatization, for example, a solution along the lines of the German 'Troichant'", (the Principle of trust had carried out the privatization of state enterprises in the former DDR after German unification in 1990).

The chairman of eurozone states convinced that the new offering assistance to Greece will succeed.

"The package, which agreed that Greece will bring the solution to the country," while stressing that the country needs injections of growth.

"This should also help companies from other countries in the eurozone," said Mr Juncker.

"The EU should temporarily waive the obligation of Greece for financing, should be given to Greece means for economic development, without requiring the payment of its share from Athens," said Mr Juncker.

What should i do ??? Cry my heart out or laugh at their fake worries? Greece is dead and buried and Greeks are just rioting outside alone ... like the jesters that people pass by and ignore...

Hear what your saying Etherios and my sympathies got out to you and the Greek People...
BUT...

The Protesters should be Targeting those Responsible 'The GANG of BANKSTERS from 'Goldman Sachs' who Shorted Greek Debt After It Arranged Those Shady Swaps!



Goldman Sachs arranged swaps that effectively allowed Greece to borrow 1 billion Euros without adding to its official public debt. While it arranged the swaps, Goldman Sachs also sought to buy insurance on Greek debt and engage in other trades to protect itself against the risk of a default on those swaps. Eventually, Goldman Sachs sold the swaps to the national bank of Greece.

Despite its role in creating swaps that may have allowed the Greek government to mask its growing debts, Goldman Sachs has no net exposure to a default on Greek debt, a person familiar with the matter says.

Goldman Sachs is “flat” when it comes to Greece, the person said. Which is to say, its long and short exposure to a potential Greek default are in balance.

In light of this combination of arranging structured financing while shorting the customer's debt, Goldman may find itself in a familiarly uncomfortable public light. Goldman Sachs has come under a barrage of criticism for structuring mortgage backed securities while its traders shorted that market. As a result of those short trades, Goldman Sachs lost far less money than its rivals when the US housing market imploded. http://www.businessinsider.com/goldman-sachs-shorted-greek-debt-after-it-arranged-those-shady-swaps-2010-2




http://www.spiegel.de/images/image-52654-panoV9free-jszw.jpg

In the Greek case the US bankers devised a special kind of swap with fictional exchange rates. That enabled Greece to receive a far higher sum than the actual euro market value of 10 billion dollars or yen. In that way Goldman Sachs secretly arranged additional credit of up to $1 billion for the Greeks.

This credit disguised as a swap didn't show up in the Greek debt statistics. Eurostat's reporting rules don't comprehensively record transactions involving financial derivatives. "The Maastricht rules can be circumvented quite legally through swaps," says a German derivatives dealer.

In previous years, Italy used a similar trick to mask its true debt with the help of a different US bank. In 2002 the Greek deficit amounted to 1.2 percent of GDP. After Eurostat reviewed the data in September 2004, the ratio had to be revised up to 3.7 percent. According to today's records, it stands at 5.2 percent.

At some point Greece will have to pay up for its swap transactions, and that will impact its deficit. The bond maturities range between 10 and 15 years. Goldman Sachs charged a hefty commission for the deal and sold the swaps on to a Greek bank in 2005.

The bank declined to comment on the controversial deal. The Greek Finance Ministry did not respond to a written request for comment. http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,676634,00.html


To the People of Greece - Its Goldman Sachs & their NWO Greek Govt. Officials & Beureaucrats (The Greek Finance Ministry) that STOLE your country right out from beneath your noses!

NO Need to look any further!

[oceanz]

Like Pirates of the High Seas they are the Profiteers of the High "C's" (Commodities and Currencies) and the have their "Ships" (Secruities, hedges, investments, paper money and settlements) powered by "financial slaves"...

[Etherios]

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I cant agree with you more BUT ... majority of the Greeks only knows that the people didnt steal the money. They think its the politicians and their lackies ... and not the "officials" in the EU/USA. Tbh i think our politicians are more responsible for this than Goldman cause we sold our country off. So at least if we remove these traitors fromt he parliament ... maybe...

Greeks are your average sheeple so they dont want to know about the real enemies. They are trying to fix the country within the current system. In the very few times they spoke about Max Keiser/Gerald Callente they call them cooks and extremists and then report what they said. Thus noone listens to them.

We have thousands of protesters outside the parliament and the PM says inside it ... that the Greek people want this and he has to "save" the country. Not to say that the last polls showed the SAME!!! % numbers for the 2 parties as before. NOTHING CHANGED to the sheeple minds. I am sure WHEN the time comes and you get hit by IMF you guys will see the same denial from your country men also.

[jackovesk]

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I cant agree with you more BUT ... majority of the Greeks only knows that the people didnt steal the money. They think its the politicians and their lackies ... and not the "officials" in the EU/USA. Tbh i think our politicians are more responsible for this than Goldman cause we sold our country off. So at least if we remove these traitors fromt he parliament ... maybe...

Greeks are your average sheeple so they dont want to know about the real enemies. They are trying to fix the country within the current system. In the very few times they spoke about Max Keiser/Gerald Callente they call them cooks and extremists and then report what they said. Thus noone listens to them.

We have thousands of protesters outside the parliament and the PM says inside it ... that the Greek people want this and he has to "save" the country. Not to say that the last polls showed the SAME!!! % numbers for the 2 parties as before. NOTHING CHANGED to the sheeple minds. I am sure WHEN the time comes and you get hit by IMF you guys will see the same denial from your country men also.




What should i do ??? Cry my heart out or laugh at their fake worries? Greece is dead and buried and Greeks are just rioting outside alone ... like the jesters that people pass by and ignore...

1. Don't give up the fight!
2. Educate as many as you can
3. Go to the Protest with a sign saying...

"Goldman Sachs, the IMF & The Greek Finance Ministry (DID IT)!"

etc...etc

Regards,

Jack

[Etherios]

1. Don't give up the fight!
2. Educate as many as you can
3. Go to the Protest with a sign saying...

[B]"Goldman Sachs, the IMF & The Greek Finance Ministry (DID IT)!"

etc...etc

Regards,

Jack

Well i wont give up ... i think lol. I am trying to educate as many as i can trust me i have lost alot of friends this way. Ye i can say they were not my friends really but i still feel bad for their denial.

I never go to protests ... they are used to promote fear tactics and police brutality to scare off the people and make them stop talking. I just hope enough people will wake up, cause atm we are doomed. The "good" part is that the pressure is so big and always getting worse that it makes the people search about it. Unemployed people have alot more time to think and search about these so maybe ... who knows.

I dont know if you have seen this but Jack the attacks i have had from people that i used to call friends ... even in my own family i am a weird guy. My mother cries sometimes saying that i wont be able to fit in society and she cant bare see me die off with these stupid things. I have come to realize that IF the people react to the "education" with attack then its pointless to try more. I just give some info here and there ... small tips that are easily accepted. Anything more is way way bad and the attacks (verbal so far) are instant. Its like saying to a drug addict that he has to stop the drugs ... same aggressive reaction.

[Etherios]

new info that i learned today... 3 things...

1st FBI CAME TO GREECE to help / warn us about possible "TERRORIST" attacks on Greece ... nothing is official yet just some reporters reporting rumors. But you can figure what this means.
2nd There will be a council of experts that will coordinate the sell off the Greek assets. And the EU/IMF will have 2 extra people in this council that will give the final ok for the sells. Also these 2 will have TOTAL IMMEDIATE access to all the "to be sold" items before the selling proceeds (so they can inform anyone about the next big hits - Nothing about them keeping secrets). So the council will bring out the next item for selling and they will vote where to sell it and then get the ok from these 2 persons.
3rd This councils meetings / decisions / sells will be secret for 3 years and there will be unlimited options for extra years of secrecy. Thus they will sell and we wont know to whom or for how much.

There was a lawyer in this TV show that said 2 things.
1st The best part of this new contract is that Greece will not sell the ancient ruins or the national parks etc BUT will sell the profits (tickets , marketing items etc) and the money will go straight to the council fund aka to the EU/IMF. (This is the "BEST" part of the new contract ... imagine the rest.)
2nd He end his talk in the show with the this " Greek people have to realize ... Greece is Conquered..."

[jackovesk]

The Keiser Report No. 161, with Max Keiser and Stacy Herbert -- July 05 TU

This time Max and Stacy report on 'no buyers' at the firesale of Greek national income producing assets and on Ben Bernanke as the Taliban of finance. In the second half of the show, Max talks to economist Yanis Varoufakis about the bailout and austerity packages for Greece.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtIDKtaTz3M&feature=player_embedded

[Etherios]

The Keiser Report No. 161, with Max Keiser and Stacy Herbert -- July 05 TU

This time Max and Stacy report on 'no buyers' at the firesale of Greek national income producing assets and on Ben Bernanke as the Taliban of finance. In the second half of the show, Max talks to economist Yanis Varoufakis about the bailout and austerity packages for Greece.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtIDKtaTz3M&feature=player_embedded

The no buyers is explained by Max ... atm our assets cost nothing. When the IMF comes they will add CDS and other fake values and then they will sell them to their own for pennies and they will make huge profit from the added value. So again out of nothing they will create value ... (ofc our assets have value but not in this fake economy ... )

About Varoufakis ... he is still in denial. In the end he repeats that this is not a plan but a huge failure and incompetence by the bankers and EU/Greece politicians ... Varoufakis CANT ralize this is all a theatrical play and this is a script that was written years ago. SO denial is what makes Greeks sleep at night. I just cant understand why the denial is so HUGE that even when people say Greece is no more and we are conquered ... when is failure named treason?


Its my belief that the plan must have 2 options. 1st either the Greek revolt and stop this making the EU/IMF send in "peace police " or 2nd they rush the sell outs keeping the Greeks in the dark and later default as planned. I dont see Greece surviving this cause even now that everything is official and in our face people are in denial and think "We cant do anything ... we have to survive"

[ktlight]

Hi etherios,
flyingboy posted in post 2 in this link http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?23803-Greek-MPs-to-vote-on-austerity-measures&highlight=germany+owes+greece that Germany owes Greece a huge amount of money since WW2 and has not paid a cent back. Can you verify that this is true? If so, cannot Greece call the loan in and thereby save itself?

[Etherios]

Hi etherios,
flyingboy posted in post 2 in this link http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?23803-Greek-MPs-to-vote-on-austerity-measures&highlight=germany+owes+greece that Germany owes Greece a huge amount of money since WW2 and has not paid a cent back. Can you verify that this is true? If so, cannot Greece call the loan in and thereby save itself?

Yes Germany owes us 560 Billion Euros if you calculate the gold and the debt the WWII left us. If you listen to Varoufakis in Max Keiser report it says clearly that its a LAW issue and do you think the EU/UN courts will rules to save Greece? Also the UN/NATO i think declared the payments as gone. Let me search an article...

[Etherios]

This is what i could find ... explains a bit how Germany survived and why we still havent gotten anything ... i dont know who else got any money from Germany if any...

"Germany owes its survival to Greece also" Monday, 04 July 2011

What he told the newspaper "To Vima", the German Professor A. Ritsl
In an interview on "Vima" the distinguished professor of London School of Economics, Albrecht Ritsl recalls that Germany had the support of Greece and other countries after the Second World War, while claims that Europe "stand on its feet" rather than market pressures.

Germany was practically bankrupt from 1919 until 1953 because of two devastating wars, argued Professor of Economic History A. Ritsl.

"The German postwar economic miracle is due to the fact that the United States of America urged its lenders Germany (including Greece) in 1953 in London, and orchestrated" clipping "of the German debt by 50% and prolongation of repayment at 30 years, "said a German professor.

"Only after this initiative the German economy managed to grow and over the next decades in Europe to enforce and support the reunification of the country," he said.

Moreover, Mr. Ritsl showed moderately optimistic about the future of the European Union despite the difficulties. "There is a danger that the situation get out of control and endangering the cohesion of the eurozone and the European Union. But I think the politicians know this and try to avoid it, "he said.


p.s. rough translation lol sorry... google translator isnt the best i guess

[ktlight]

It would be great if Lord Sidious would comment on this here.

[Lord Sidious]

It would be great if Lord Sidious would comment on this here.

Whats to say?
Greece is now more under enemy occupation than they were by the ottomans.
The banksters have taken over and are showing their intent for many more nations to come.
The question is, are we gonna just take it?

[ktlight]

It would be great if Lord Sidious would comment on this here.

Whats to say?
Greece is now more under enemy occupation than they were by the ottomans.
The banksters have taken over and are showing their intent for many more nations to come.
The question is, are we gonna just take it?

Am I being naive. I was wondering more along the lines of calling in the loan. It may well make Germany bankrupt, but ... and what about the legal position?

[Lord Sidious]

It would be great if Lord Sidious would comment on this here.

Whats to say?
Greece is now more under enemy occupation than they were by the ottomans.
The banksters have taken over and are showing their intent for many more nations to come.
The question is, are we gonna just take it?

Am I being naive. I was wondering more along the lines of calling in the loan. It may well make Germany bankrupt, but ... and what about the legal position?

If they could prove the Germans owe them x amount, they could do a setoff type deal.
Or, they could make the Germans make the payments.
I suspect Greece is being singled out for some as yet unknown reason.

[Etherios]

Well lord i know its simple but there is no political will AKA our leaders are too slaves to even dare. And also the EU courts are not lawful ... they will never accept something that will ruin the EU economy. We have tried with public court arrangements and we never passed the first EU court. The hole courts were either stoped or postponed for ever. Also we never managed to demand it politically cause they keep telling us its old news and we have no "right" to ask for them. Any politician that is trying to do something is cast away and never gets reelected... they are called "Old fashion minds / stuck in the past" (thats a very rough translation for a slug word we use here in Greece).

Well its one of the topics that are taboo ... and anyone that wants to talk about them is destroyed politically. Another topic is the Oil in Greece... for 40 years people kept saying Greece has oil and we should extracted it but the official reply was it doesnt exist. There is a news report today that the gov voted for a new organization that will officially "search" for oil ... but they said it doesnt exist. well its not meant for Greeks it only exist for other people :-( Something similar with the German War debt...

Lord as you said Greece was singled out 10+ years now or more and was guided slowly toward this situation. Well i am sure more countries will follow but why Greece first i got no idea.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Too bad crazies like Laughner couldn't muster the balls to assainate.....I don't really mean that actually. I won't call for murder, but I will say some CEOs of mega corporations would best benefit the Earth via their own death. Maybe Karma will smite those suit and tie scum, if not, WWIII will be the people vs the bankers and THE PEOPLE WILL WIN. I respect Greece sooo much for being smart enough to realize the corrupt nature of the bailouts and Say F-U to the shiesty banks....having the courage/balls to actually turn off the tele and DO SOMETHING unlike the chick****z here in America who don't vote for Ron Paul and take it up the rear from the banks. Good for you, you're f-ing over your own children and grandchildren.