A Different take on Reincarnation........

[Cidersomerset]

Hi All Just been listening to this link again interesting conversation about how we
as 'Human Creators' are eternal beings .....There is no reincarnation as it is commonly
understood ....when we die we retun to the 'Guf' and reunite with non-physical
like adrop of water returning to the ocean, at which point we become diluted with
the rest of the 'Guf'. When a new person is born a drop of the ' Guf ' enters
the child and carnates with them ...I encourage all to listen and see if it reasonates with you.
There is a lot of detail going on as several people ask associated questions....

The little 'Ditty' at the end is sung by Victoria Wood a very popular entertainer in the UK ...

Remember you may not agree with whats being discussed , but knowledge is freedom ....enjoy..Steve...

( only 15 mins but a lot to digest....)

http://informationfarm.blogspot.com/2010/08/ion-reincarnation.html

[KosmicKat]

If I'm repeating myself here, I apologize. I was very encouraged that iON more or less concurs with what I have been taught elsewhere about the soul, that the "soul" is a prepersonal recording organ, that in some circumstances a soul may be tasked with recording the thoughts and experience of more than one person, and sometimes as a result of that, a person may have "memories" of lifetimes other than their own.

[greybeard]

Its all part of the illusion.
One teacher Bernie Prior
Said
Its as though the soul goes on a shopping expedition before incarnating, collecting all the tools -- aspects of character, past life, persona, even choosing the parents and the genes that go with that, even choosing the gender, all as aids to learn and experience on this in incarnation.

Who knows???? I dont.

Chris

[Cidersomerset]

Hi KosmicKat yes thats how I interpret it. The soul is a 'Stenographer' recording all the realised and unrealised thoughts that have not been created . Every Thought ever 'Thunk' exists & accompanys you back into the 'Guf'.....So when new children return to physical, they bring part of those creations back with them.....thus creating the illusion of re-incarnation.....when infact it is just the residue of memmories of unrealised creations from previous collective lives for us to try and experiance this time round...

[Cidersomerset]

hi greybeard .....Ions main message is we are all individual 'Gods' trying to come back into our power......The re-unification of physical and non-physical , which according to

him is happening now...which is why so many wonderfull Human creators are incarnated on the planet at the momment, as the 'Guf' is emptying ...This goes into lot of other

things I've posted on other threads ,explaining how and why this is happenning.....


I am God...
http://informationfarm.blogspot.com/2010/07/ion-who-is-god.html

[nickc2496]

each lifetime is an experience/point of view that makes up a single chapter in an ever increasingly growing book of adventuers...when we 'die' we remember the entire book and even that is still just the book of this universe...one thing is for certain based on our relative life - the cycle of that 1 book seems endless, but add to that higher and lower planes of dimensions (frequencies) (which could be seen as other universes or realities), and it seems even more so - most of which can only be perceived in full in the sequences in between 'lives' unless we open ourselves to reality (path of enlightenment) that we are all born of the same creative energy, we are equal parts of the whole - choosing an individual path experience, our journey now is in part to reconnect to the source, the universe is the mind of a god experiencing each moment from as many points of view as possible, who knows each one of us might be his/her own universe, and other gods are trying out your flavor of existence, in any its a beautiful ride :) we are on this earth, because we choose to be, most of us have been here many times before, and before that who knows, you may have chosen to be a tree on an alien planet in a distant galaxy, its all ways our choice, and once we have learned what we needed we more on, some go to a higher dimension some go lower, neither is better or worse or good or bad, that are all valid places to go to learn, if we need the lessons, some need to repeat because we fail to learn the lessons, the more people do this the harder it is to even remember what we came here for...because it was you who chose the conditions and no matter what you cant lie to yourself. Heaven and hell (i think) are states of mind based of self judgement and self worth...its the martial meditation of the mirror...basically, can you look yourself in the eye, and love what you see with no ego, thats when you know you are on the 'right' path, which as we know is subjective and relative to the individual....mmm... i am starting to ramble, that will do for now :)

[The Truth Is In There]

the three books of robert monroe should also give a pretty clear idea about how incarnation here on earth works (or rather, worked, up till now). actually there really is no re-incarnation because everything happens at the same moment. the higher self sends parts of itself (one of them being your incarnation, the others being "past lives") to various times here on earth but all of that happens at the same moment since outside of our 3d illusion there is no time. the "past lives" are merely other parts of the higher self experiencing things in different ages here on earth but all really happens at the same moment.

[Cidersomerset]

Hi nickc2496 I should say I have only got into this side of the field acouple of years ago ......I've always known since very young that somehow this physical experiance is not all,
and there was something more....I went to a Roman Catholic school and when my older sister left for senior school ,I would not go back as basically she took me there, and
aged six/seven I felt re pressed by nuns trying to fill me with guilt and the whole religious thing just seemed evil.......Hell and all that....
Anyway I transferred to a state school and spiritually was much happier..
A couple of years ago Ecnal61 gave me a book ' Many Live Many Masters' The true story of a prominant psychiatrist Brian L Wiess who got involved with a troubled young woman and regressed her to get to root of the problem, and from there he found out she had had many past lives as a man & woman. It was a great read and it opened my mind to this subject more than I had been before, and to them it was very real...
The point is synchrinicity is everything and just after I read the book .Ion came into my reality and most of what he has been saying for the past couple years really resinates with me....
Also though he says time does not exist as we know it , it is possible to be living now and say in roman time simitainiously ( don't know how that works yet lol ) ....

[Cidersomerset]

Hi The truth is out there......Yes what you say sounds similar to when we are all one in the 'Guf' so when we return, not neccessary to this world as there are an infinate number of parrallel
worlds as in 'Fringe' as Bob says was one of several current and upcoming shows drawing inspiration from listening to the 'Cashflow & Tailgate' shows......we bring with us uncreated thoughts from the 'Guf' which is where the illusion of Re-incarnatin comes from..........

[Cidersomerset]

Hi All.....I should point out I'm no expert on these subjects , my reason for bringing Ion to our collective attension , is if his message is true its the most important thing I've heard in my life..

A bit dramatic I know..LOL , but what he says about accension.DNA ,RNA , Chromosome 14, H197 , Radiation and a miriad of information he has passed on by answering thousands of

e mails ,phone calls is immpressive...Some of his answers do not satisfy everyone , and if he is a fraud he is a genius...and If he is what he says he is , We litrally have a hotline to 'God'

'us' through our collective non-physicals.LOL....The reason he knows so much , is he tapping into the collective knowledge of all of our non- physicals .......Steve

[Jacqui D]

i agree with this statement, we are of many all experiencing simultaneously. When natural cycles would take place here within this matrix we would take an evolutional leap as with all living planets,working back through the domains back to God consciousness. Re incarnation i would say is not a process of learning, in a perfect world we would have developed and known the knowledge of ascension ( re birth) back into the God consciousness giving the consciousness the choice to experience this is free will. The Guf of which is spoken here yes in a diluted meaning of its true potential is much more than just one picking up others thought processes, it is true we do create by thought these do not get lost and this is why there are many levels of one form within each world and there are many worlds in which many do not have the concept of it is a vastness but all goes back to God consciousness eventually this is the lesson to remember from where you came.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Jacqui D .....Apparently eons ago as there is no time , some of us, as not all 'gods' descended, decided to experiance contrast and split physical from non-physical.The goal being to experiance mortality then 're-assend' and we left ourselves clues in the bible and many other places on how to do this.....The 'Guf' was created by us to store our non-physical while we were down here and other worlds trying to find the 'meaning of life' so to speak....The time is near for this to happen as the 'Guf' is emptying , and we will re-unite...
Physical= imortal....Non=physical = eternal thus when we have accended we will be back in our 'godship' as physical all powerfull Human creator living in 'bliss' .
Something is going to happen very soon involving the DNA being able to be perfectley copied thru our RNA so the 'meatsack body, can perminatley 'Zerox copy' every cell in our body thus effectively making us immortal.....This also has something to do with Cromosome14 .the atmosphere is also going to change with higher radiation levels H197....
Also when we 'accend' the 'Guf' will close as no one will die and the 'womb' will close as there
will be no rebirths....

Ion recently on the Eben Ray 30/6/2011 show explaining H197 radiation...

Also a RT report on the Cahoun power plant..

http://informationfarm.blogspot.com/2011/07/ion-h197-radiation.html

[Cidersomerset]

Here is the link for the Eben Ray show 30/6/2011........Guests Bob Dobbs and ion.....Starts about 10 mins in......Its been a year since they were last on the show
so it is good to get aquainted with the gang...as it is far less chaotic than cash flow' and they give you more direct info.....Bob is 89 years young, yet he seems
half that......It will blow your mind.....He starts by explaining what I've just been trying to tell
you......If you don't listen now , keep it for a quite momment, because its 'Brilliant'

Chromosome 14 is the only cromosome that has rings and arms to allow the the replication of the perfect cell which will have 144,000 double helix's.....(the cells at present only have one).
This will enable the RNA to make perfcet copies of each cell...

http://www.fivebodied.com/archives/audio/bob/Radio_Alchymy/2011/Project_Next_-_June_30,_2011_-_Bob_Dobbs_&_iON_-_Hour_1.mp3

http://www.fivebodied.com/archives/audio/bob/Radio_Alchymy/2011/Project_Next_-_June_30,_2011_-_Bob_Dobbs_&_iON_-_Hour_2.mp3

[Cidersomerset]

Hi all a couple of notes from the above show....The Book of Revelations is the first book of the Bible not the last......Bobs Revelation series is about perfecting your perfect cell. The perfect cell already exists , its just trying to tune it into your body . The first way we do this is to access the cell with 144,000 strands or double helix's . (Apparently now we have only one strand ), but we are moving towards having 144,000 strands in your basic cell. This will be activated by chromosome 14, it is the only chromosome that has the rings & arms to allow the replication ,of the RNA in the cell, to produce a perfect copy..This will enable perpetule perfect cell replacement of our physical bodies effectively immortality ..Chromosome 14 is the only one to have rings and arms to allow this replication to take place ...

Ion goes into great detail , but I have no way of confirming any of this untill it happens,,, LOL....I think they are genuine so lets see where the ride takes us........

I'l put this into some sort of perspective, over the last five years I have watched and listened to 99% of Bill & Kerry video's and radio shows , and watched hundreds of other presentations from all the main researchers and others......previously I was into UFO's , History , Archaology, geography and military history. so what I'm saying, is I have a good basic knowledge of what is going on in our field. I am not a expert just a enthusiatic person looking for the elusive 'meaning of Life' so every thing I've heard from Bob & Ion over the past two years seems to be telling, everybone in my body they have the answers, we are all looking for !!!
I may be wrong but I feel compelled to share what I'm learning .....If it does not resonate or annoys you I'm Sorry , but if they are on the right tracks it would be very amiss of me not to pass it on..

I'm still learning as well..Love & peace Steve...

[truthseekerdan]

There is much confusion to distract the not aware... We are not this physical body. We embrace life for we are life. We are a multidimensional being whose multidimensional existence is complex and confusing and would be quite incapacitating if we did not have the consciousness to filter and process it into a more personal and manageable form.

Consciousness allows us to filter our higher multidimensional existence into a lower three-dimensional reality created from patterns of light. This light is the intervening substance through which conscious expressions are known and transmitted. It is also the force or impulse from intelligence to self-awareness. It is the same as the creative power of the universe. From the collective intelligence of the universe, all living things emerge and manifest through awareness from intelligence into consciousness, giving us our connection to what is real.

As multidimensional beings, we are able to experience these different realities through the exploration and cultivation of light formations within our sentient mind. The sentient mind is not a physical construct or epiphany phenomenon of matter, nor a by-product of purely physical processes. The sentient mind is a formless continuum that is in a temporary union with an organic pattern of physical form. Hope this makes sense to most.

Much Love

[Teakai]

Its all part of the illusion.
One teacher Bernie Prior
Said
Its as though the soul goes on a shopping expedition before incarnating, collecting all the tools -- aspects of character, past life, persona, even choosing the parents and the genes that go with that, even choosing the gender, all as aids to learn and experience on this in incarnation.

Who knows???? I dont.

Chris

Same here.

maybe we make it more of a mystery than it really is?