World business leaders told flying saucers are real & extraterrestrials exist

[The One]

At five thousand dollars a ticket, some business leaders got more than they bargained for when they attended the first day of the Global Competitiveness Forum (GCF) being held in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. They were told flying saucers are real, and they better start thinking about the business implications of extraterrestrial life and technologies. Convened each year by the Saudi Arabian General Investment Authority, the GCF brings together business and political leaders to discuss ways of promoting business competitiveness. For the first time at its annual conference, the GCF held a panel discussing UFOs and extraterrestrial life. Titled “Learning from Outer Space” the panel comprised five speakers who all endorsed the view that extraterrestrial life is real, and has many implications for the world as we know it.The videos that follow were posted by the GCF on youtube and for the first time are available to the general public. The presenters were Nick Pope, Stanton Friedman, Dr Zaghioul El Naggar, Dr Michio Kaku, and Dr Jacques Vallee.

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[Billy]

Thank you I will watch later, a disclosure of some sorts. hopefully they do not hold on to the old paradgm of how do we cash in on this one.

[Operator]

hopefully they do not hold on to the old paradgm of how do we cash in on this one.

I don't like the name of this forum ... the title gives away that that's exactly what they will do.
But hey now we're judging the book on it's cover :o I will watch the videos later.

[Calz]

Some of these "business types" just don't get it ... do they???


They were told flying saucers are real, and they better start thinking about the business implications of extraterrestrial life and technologies.

[aranuk]

Thank you again ONE! I watched all the videos and they were excellently presented by each expert. Also skeptics would be hard pressed to make any kind of intelligent debunkery.

Stan

[toothpick]

Great thread THE ONE, very interesting.
Love the part that says, Humans are very creative, we are extremely good at killng.
Dr Michio Kaku says in his new book, Physics of the Future, that we will have alien contact in about 100 years from now, what.
Sorry Michio, but, I,m pretty sure we have contact already, imho.
I,m just teasing, I hope these fantastic video,s get seen by as many people as possible.

toothpick

[Erich]

This is fascinating. A new and rather depressing perspective.

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

I watched these a few times when they first came out. They didn't sit right with me then & they still don't. All of these speakers are labelled as govt mouth pieces / shills.

[Operator]

I noticed that some renowned speakers are quite happy to speak about "one world this" and "one global that".

Michio Kaku being a big example in this case ... I cannot help but to think that he's a NWO puppet sometimes.
But even guys like Bob Dean (and I like him very much) says things like "There is no doubt there is going to
be a one world government" (paraphrased of course).

So how much of that is intentional, or accidental ? Are we buying into agendas without knowing it ?
Are these things like new age movement what they provide us with to fulfill the "problem, reaction,
solution" in our own way ?

I know I should be reluctant to accuse people but I think we should be very aware that there could be
a very fine line between what they make us want and what we really want.

[JoshERTW]

There's no problem with the world being united, so long as its not under false pretenses.

Unity / Oneness is not a bad thing, we are conditioned to think that one world gov't is some terrible NWO thing - don't get me wrong, I believe they are shooting for this - but I think it's also inevitable that the borders are going to have to come down before we can take the next steps as a species. Borders breed hostility, and as a Canadian, I'm certainly 100% opposed to a North American Union, and would protest it like crazy (and I keep an eye on things to make sure its not going to sneak through, which is probably impossible). But something has got to change to bring the planet together, in an organic and peaceful way, Not as some knee jerk reaction to economic issues or a false flag event either.

Having said all that, I think a 'real' disclosure, by ETs, without the consent of the PTB, is about the only thing that could do this.

The thing we need to make sure of is that the power isn't centralized.

[The One]

I watched these a few times when they first came out. They didn't sit right with me then & they still don't. All of these speakers are labelled as govt mouth pieces / shills

Atfer lookin at a lot of your responses you dont seem to like this subject very much.You are very skeptical about it I dont mind healthy debate my friend but you seem to critisize everthing i post of late

[Alan]

Some of these "business types" just don't get it ... do they???


They were told flying saucers are real, and they better start thinking about the business implications of extraterrestrial life and technologies.

What's wrong with this? Do you think after disclosure that businesses will magically disappear?

I work for a company that makes integrated circuits, if ET technology obsoletes them I'm out of a job. Will the ETs then feed me and house me? ;-)

[Operator]

There's no problem with the world being united, so long as its not under false pretenses.

I agree totally ...
But since the line between could be very thin humanity should be on guard ... and we know that the masses is still far from that.


I work for a company that makes integrated circuits, if ET technology obsoletes them I'm out of a job. Will the ETs then feed me and house me? ;-)

That's a good question but maybe not necessary ...
We are often talking about technology ... and it's implications. But how about a real paradigm shift, think about spirituality, social impacts etc. ?

Thinking about jobs, job security etc. is probably old fashioned in a new paradigm. That's why I think the book of Rich Dolan AD, after disclosure
is a very useful one and discussions on this topic are far from over. I think that they never even properly started yet.

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

I watched these a few times when they first came out. They didn't sit right with me then & they still don't. All of these speakers are labelled as govt mouth pieces / shills

Atfer lookin at a lot of your responses you dont seem to like this subject very much.You are very skeptical about it I dont mind healthy debate my friend but you seem to critisize everthing i post of late

Don't be paranoid buddy & stop playing the victim card. Lets just say I have been around the block a few times & no I don't believe most for I have a habit of doing background checks on the so called whistle blowers.

Just because I don't bow down & believe everything that is put on the table without first doing my own research, doesn't for one minute mean I don't believe in ET's.

Like I said, "All of these speakers are labelled as govt mouth pieces / shills."

[The One]

Don't be paranoid buddy & stop playing the victim card.

I am certainly not paranoid and i am definatley not playing the victim card matey .I post what i feel is right



Just because I don't bow down & believe everything that is put on the table without first doing my own research, doesn't for one minute mean I don't believe in ET's.

I dont beleive everything my friend only the 2%.I then try to educate the people who like this topic and thats it.I have been around long enough to know what i feel is right or wrong

Li
ke I said, "All of these speakers are labelled as govt mouth pieces / shills

agree and it would be great to bring down all these corporations who hide from the truth

[gabbahh]

A one world government sounds like a centralized hierarchical (control) system. Why can't we create local self sustaining communities and use global communication to solve common problems. I do not see a need for this central government.
No need to formalize our unity.

[Curt]

Some of these "business types" just don't get it ... do they???


They were told flying saucers are real, and they better start thinking about the business implications of extraterrestrial life and technologies.

...As though "business implications" are the most important considerations..... But, who knows.....maybe after a long journey ET will want to hit the malls, go to Best Buy for the latest Blue Ray movies, and on his way to the food court stop by HOT Topic to pick up an "I'm with Stupid T-Shirt." Corporations had better be sure to stock the shelves with the right sizes....they've got to prepare..

[gabbahh]

Also don't think the ETs want to do business with people who pay 5000 dollars to be said what everyone allready knows....

I wouldn't for sure, but who knows. Maybe these aliens are smarter than me.

[ceetee9]

The thing we need to make sure of is that the power isn't centralized.
I doubt there are many, on this site at least, who believe unity is a bad thing. But unity can be achieved without creating a One World Government. If we've learned anything at all, I sincerely hope that we've learned that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. We are a violent, manipulative and control hungry species and if we allow them to create a One World Government, we can be sure tyranny will reign supreme and none of us will have anywhere to go to escape from it.

[Operator]

A one world government sounds like a centralized hierarchical (control) system. Why can't we create local self sustaining communities and use global communication to solve common problems. I do not see a need for this central government.
No need to formalize our unity.

I like the speech by Jack Nicholson in the film easy rider. That says it all for me.
Man shouldn't be governed by others ... I know tricky subject. But we're entrained to doubt the feasibility immediately.

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[gabbahh]

Lol, I watched this movie last weekend. Again!

[Corncrake]

Thanks the One for posting - really interesting to see this going mainstream. Would like to read what the MSM made of it.

Thanks Operator too - haven't watched Easy Rider in years and had totally forgotten the UFO scene. Iconic movie.

[onawah]

I didn't remember that was in Easy Rider! Cool, Man!! LOL!

[Lifebringer]

I just want the truth. "So tired of the deceit. To think of how they even hid God's name, to keep US from praying to him for guidance or in times of trouble, is the evilest thing ever done to man/woman.

Especially women who have gone through second classery throughout his-story. To hold back our spiritual gift from God to be able to call his name in prayer, is just worthy of some Karma.
I still have to use heavenly Father, or his son's name Yeshuah. I am will have to do, but I hope he mixes their minds, like they mixed up our holy scriptures of truth.

[Lord Sidious]

A one world government sounds like a centralized hierarchical (control) system. Why can't we create local self sustaining communities and use global communication to solve common problems. I do not see a need for this central government.
No need to formalize our unity.

I like the speech by Jack Nicholson in the film easy rider. That says it all for me.
Man shouldn't be governed by others ... I know tricky subject. But we're entrained to doubt the feasibility immediately.

FlL31WcDVkE

Ooh, Easy Rider.


Two pans
Across the land
To New Orleans, in Louisian
All the way, from LA
And all against The Man.



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Beat that for an intro to a movie!
Even Star Wars 4 A New Hope would have a hard time to beat this.
Oh and Fonda has the sense to have apehangers on his bike too.

Sorry for the offtopic nuggetry, but you guys just got me where it counts.


There's no problem with the world being united, so long as its not under false pretenses.

Unity / Oneness is not a bad thing, we are conditioned to think that one world gov't is some terrible NWO thing - don't get me wrong, I believe they are shooting for this - but I think it's also inevitable that the borders are going to have to come down before we can take the next steps as a species. Borders breed hostility, and as a Canadian, I'm certainly 100% opposed to a North American Union, and would protest it like crazy (and I keep an eye on things to make sure its not going to sneak through, which is probably impossible). But something has got to change to bring the planet together, in an organic and peaceful way, Not as some knee jerk reaction to economic issues or a false flag event either.

Having said all that, I think a 'real' disclosure, by ETs, without the consent of the PTB, is about the only thing that could do this.

The thing we need to make sure of is that the power isn't centralized.

Unity is great, but we need to get rid of the concept of profit first.
That is the reason so much crap has gone down in history.
Get rid of that and we can all live in harmony.



Some of these "business types" just don't get it ... do they???


They were told flying saucers are real, and they better start thinking about the business implications of extraterrestrial life and technologies.

What's wrong with this? Do you think after disclosure that businesses will magically disappear?

I work for a company that makes integrated circuits, if ET technology obsoletes them I'm out of a job. Will the ETs then feed me and house me? ;-)

I think his point was that rather than view the event for what it is and the significance, they are talking about $$$$ again/still.


I just want the truth. "So tired of the deceit. To think of how they even hid God's name, to keep US from praying to him for guidance or in times of trouble, is the evilest thing ever done to man/woman.

Especially women who have gone through second classery throughout his-story. To hold back our spiritual gift from God to be able to call his name in prayer, is just worthy of some Karma.
I still have to use heavenly Father, or his son's name Yeshuah. I am will have to do, but I hope he mixes their minds, like they mixed up our holy scriptures of truth.

Worry not about the past nuggetry, the status of women is changing forever.
No longer will you be chattels to be owned and traded, you will be your own beings.
As was always intended.
Those who want to own/control their women always had me stumped, I can't get my head around it.

[cellardoor]

I watched these a few times when they first came out. They didn't sit right with me then & they still don't. All of these speakers are labelled as govt mouth pieces / shills.
I totally agree. But its a step in the right direction.

[Limor Wolf]

I watched these a few times when they first came out. They didn't sit right with me then & they still don't. All of these speakers are labelled as govt mouth pieces / shills

Atfer lookin at a lot of your responses you dont seem to like this subject very much.You are very skeptical about it I dont mind healthy debate my friend but you seem to critisize everthing i post of late

Hey The one,

Thank you very much for bringing this important news item to us. it is very valuable. Please dont feel that we are criticizing your post...on the contrary.This is a very good demonstration of a gradual disclosure by the government and I feel it is an essential subject to talk about and examine it from all sides,because,as with every other area in our lives,THEY are leading us by the nose to whatever conclusions THEY want us (the population) to reach.

I added this remark just now ,when emailing the information you gave us to other people:
(roughly translated to english)


"The government behind the scenes that control our world as well as some special Army units have a relationship of more than sixty years with several types of aliens,on this we are not told about.

The relationship is based on the exchange of technologies, of experimenting on humans in an underground bases and a common Agenda that is performed through a few elite families to control this planet and its inhabitants.

Simultaneously,at the same time what is happening is a different type of contact wich is more direct and occur more with individuals and not as much with organisations,wich is NOT based on the exchange of technologies and enslavement,but mainly to support the population of planet earth to make their own choice.it is done through development and assistance with passing information about our genetic origins,about who we are and our potential capabilities to evolve as a species

This relationship does not interfere with our life and it is designed to deliver information only (what we do with it is up to us) that might assist us in escaping this cycle of enslavement and planet destruction ,at times where most of the earth's population are not yet aware of.

Conferences and conventions of this sort,where government officials are beginning to lay out some filtered information is on one hand a blessing,in the fact that they reveal certain realities that had to become public knowledge a long time ago (Imo),and on the other hand it is done with the intention of leading us in a particular direction,right where they want to have it - a development in technology in use of a world saturated with wars,domination and enslavement.

The truth is that despite this dillema it is still important to me to pass this information to anyone who seemes to be able to digest it,and equally important for me to add this reservation.

The agenda of lies and concealment will still go on and still continue as long as we allow it.
even with the government progressive "disclosure".

The truth is that there is something else that going on beneath the surface and there are those who wish us well, but only if we will be determined to help ourselves"



~*&^~*&

Limor

[TWINCANS]

A one world government sounds like a centralized hierarchical (control) system. Why can't we create local self sustaining communities and use global communication to solve common problems. I do not see a need for this central government.
No need to formalize our unity.


IMO this is th clearest statement of purpose that I've heard in a long time.

Bravo!

[taurad]

wow

this is smth huge!!!

@ the moment i'm still diggesting it.

i don't want to rush to conclusions yet...

i saw so much "opportunism" in this panel...

cheers

[Artemesia]

Some of these "business types" just don't get it ... do they???


They were told flying saucers are real, and they better start thinking about the business implications of extraterrestrial life and technologies.

Yes, rather besides the point. Its about feeling into the CONSCIOUSNESS implications. Its really challenging when one looks at the world around us and realizes that everyone who has been deemed 'sucessful' and has access to physical and financial resources has clearly failed KINDERGARTEN and the most basic standards of that curriculum. Thinking, feeling, sharing, appreciating the color wheel, and GROWING YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS. DUH.

Loving their funny little 3 year old ways is kind of old when these guys all look 50+. Loving them is indeed the only way to teach though. We've all tried the 'other' way and look where its gotten us. Sending these guys some light in the form of circle time and sing-a-long..... EVERYONE NOW... "I'd like to teach the world to sing, in perfect harmony, grow apple trees and honey bees and meet the ufos above..."

[Artemesia]

A one world government sounds like a centralized hierarchical (control) system. Why can't we create local self sustaining communities and use global communication to solve common problems. I do not see a need for this central government.
No need to formalize our unity.


IMO this is th clearest statement of purpose that I've heard in a long time.

Bravo!

What about a one world government that was a bunch of small local governments modeled on the same general system. One world, many outposts. The general system would have love, equal opportunity and deep awareness of the Universal Principles of respect for free will, individual self-determination etc. One world, many facets. Easy to move in between and from outpost to outpost, no need for centralization. The ultimate in de-centralization and personal autonomy and freedom, with user-friendly operating system in that everyone knows the basic platform wherever one travels.

now THAT would be out of this world!

[taurad]

i'm dying to know what did they talk about on DAY 2

if Nick Pope is a honorary speaker, things are weird...

i can't refrain from saying, we just saw a "united front" of business, theological, scientific and philosophic display of disclosure...

when has that happened last with "big boys" from several areas of expertise @ the SAME TIME???!!!

this might have a deep impact!

cheers

[taurad]

A one world government sounds like a centralized hierarchical (control) system. Why can't we create local self sustaining communities and use global communication to solve common problems. I do not see a need for this central government.
No need to formalize our unity.


IMO this is th clearest statement of purpose that I've heard in a long time.

Bravo!

What about a one world government that was a bunch of small local governments modeled on the same general system. One world, many outposts. The general system would have love, equal opportunity and deep awareness of the Universal Principles of respect for free will, individual self-determination etc. One world, many facets. Easy to move in between and from outpost to outpost, no need for centralization. The ultimate in de-centralization and personal autonomy and freedom, with user-friendly operating system in that everyone knows the basic platform wherever one travels.

now THAT would be out of this world!

@ Artemesia

we already have that model, my friend...it's called EU, and it's falling apart pretty badly...

money is the root of the problem

smb is always gonna have to manage smn else's money...that smn else is not going to be happy

love will fail

war is gonna prevail

end of the story.

cheers

[Ilie Pandia]

Am I the only one that finds Kaku's "joke" about the "pest kid" sent into traffic to get killed, very inappropriate and distasteful?

How did a child dare question the great professor?

[D-Day]

Am I the only one that finds Kaku's "joke" about the "pest kid" sent into traffic to get killed, very inappropriate and distasteful?

How did a child dare question the great professor?

Thank you for reminding me about that Ilie. I also found Kaku's "joke" about the young boy to be quite bizarre and distasteful.

I think it would be in his best interests to refrain from making any further attempts at humour in public... how embaressing (for him)!

[ThePythonicCow]

Am I the only one that finds Kaku's "joke" about the "pest kid" sent into traffic to get killed, very inappropriate and distasteful?

How did a child dare question the great professor?

I was trying to see his joke as a bit of self-deprecating humor. But his arrogance is sufficient that I am unsure he was laughing at himself when he said it.

As D-DAY says:
I think it would be in his best interests to refrain from making any further attempts at humour in public.

[Calz]

Some of these "business types" just don't get it ... do they???


They were told flying saucers are real, and they better start thinking about the business implications of extraterrestrial life and technologies.

What's wrong with this? Do you think after disclosure that businesses will magically disappear?

I work for a company that makes integrated circuits, if ET technology obsoletes them I'm out of a job. Will the ETs then feed me and house me? ;-)

I find the Alex Collier interaction with his contact(s) asking "Why do you have to pay money to live on a planet you were born on???" (paraphrasing from memory) to be more compelling than how to continue down the path that has led to so much control, corruption and misery.

But perhaps that is just me??? :)

[161803398]

Anyone who thinks that world government is a good idea should talk to someone from Europe.

[Omni]

Governments will always be as good as the people who are in them. A one world government could be a blessing, it could be a horrible exercise of tyranny and control(probably the latter at the current time). I think if they do do a one world gov, it will eventually be taken over by great people and world power will become more affluent.

If they centralize power to a one world gov, it would be that easier to infiltrate and overthrow. If they keep world power compartmentalized, it would be much harder to overthrow their grasp. That's how I see it anyway. Their agenda has potential for both greatness and horribleness if used in certain ways IMHO.

I for one welcome progression. What happens is our fate(not to say we can't affect it). The sooner we get through the bull****, the sooner we land in Utopia. A very far fetched dream to some. But I still have faith it will become such on earth as long as we dont destroy our planet beyond repair.

As for the vid, heard of it some time ago. I'm pretty sure the whole meeting was about business... So the fact they were speaking of the business aspect of ET contact is not so bad IMHO. Although singled out, it is pretty lame if they aren't thinking about paradigm shifts, and are just thinking about profits.

This is a good sign IMO, even if the speakers are gov shills(I dont think freidman is, but feel free to bring forth something i haven't seen).

[taurad]

Am I the only one that finds Kaku's "joke" about the "pest kid" sent into traffic to get killed, very inappropriate and distasteful?

How did a child dare question the great professor?

so did i

not only that, i also found his speech, together with nick pope's, the most pushing and cunning...

i'm afraid there's an agenda...

why would KAKU put his lifetime career on the line by that super-strong statement: i predict we'll reach type 1 civ. by 2100!!!!

i only see 2 possibilities:

1- the bastards know, they have everything planned out (which makes KAKU a player, not a true scientist)

2- smth big is about to happen, out of their control, and things said or done, will not have any weight afterwards, since we're talking about a new reality...

why else a scientist would "predict" smth in a "prophetic" style, while bashing out Vatican for what they did to Giordano Bruno????!!!!

and a 10 yrs old kid challenged him on a type 4 civ. and was suggested to go get himself killed in the traffic???!!!!

WTF

it's very very sad to see science, once again, being a manipulative tool in their hands

sad

cheers

[Calz]

A one world government sounds like a centralized hierarchical (control) system. Why can't we create local self sustaining communities and use global communication to solve common problems. I do not see a need for this central government.
No need to formalize our unity.


IMO this is th clearest statement of purpose that I've heard in a long time.

Bravo!

What about a one world government that was a bunch of small local governments modeled on the same general system. One world, many outposts. The general system would have love, equal opportunity and deep awareness of the Universal Principles of respect for free will, individual self-determination etc. One world, many facets. Easy to move in between and from outpost to outpost, no need for centralization. The ultimate in de-centralization and personal autonomy and freedom, with user-friendly operating system in that everyone knows the basic platform wherever one travels.

now THAT would be out of this world!

Allegedly (I can offer zero proof) some of the more advanced benevolent ET races choose their leaders based on spiritual evolution.

In such a case having a "one world government" might not be such a bad thing :)

[Snowbird]

Some of these "business types" just don't get it ... do they???


They were told flying saucers are real, and they better start thinking about the business implications of extraterrestrial life and technologies.



What's wrong with this? Do you think after disclosure that businesses will magically disappear?

I work for a company that makes integrated circuits, if ET technology obsoletes them I'm out of a job. Will the ETs then feed me and house me? ;-)

alamojo, you bring up thee very point of this whole discussion.

Money.

In the current global system, money equates to survival. This world conference demonstrates that business leaders, with the exception of a few awake and enlightened business leaders, continue to cling voraciously to whatever business concept that will bring them more power, more control and more....money.

We don't hear about or read about those whose main objectives are to explore space and planetary life for peaceful and sustainable reasons. Kaku understands that those on this Earth who continue on the current path will ultimately remain in the position of a zero planetary system. They will also be left behind.

Big business can thrive and the Earth's inhabitants can be housed, fed and clothed without a global monetary system. Advanced civilizations within this galaxy live without money or barter. They thrive. We barely survive.

[Snowbird]

@ Artemesia

we already have that model, my friend...it's called EU, and it's falling apart pretty badly...

money is the root of the problem

smb is always gonna have to manage smn else's money...that smn else is not going to be happy

love will fail

war is gonna prevail

end of the story.

cheers

This will be true taurad, but it will be those who get left behind who will suffer. Those who actively and consciously work to advance themselves, will not be dealing with the war and the rot.

[Billy]

hopefully they do not hold on to the old paradgm of how do we cash in on this one.

I don't like the name of this forum ... the title gives away that that's exactly what they will do.
But hey now we're judging the book on it's cover :o I will watch the videos later.

So far i think Stanton Friedman presented himself well. No profit making suggestions there, But NICK POPE Oh deary me, I just lost all respect for him. He just cannot think outside his controlled Box. Shame on you NIck. :fish: wake up for goodness sake :boink:

I still have the rest to listen too.

[Ilie Pandia]

So far i think Stanton Friedman presented himself well. No profit making suggestions there, But NICK POPE Oh deary me, I just lost all respect for him. He just cannot think outside his controlled Box. Shame on you NIck. :fish: wake up for goodness sake :boink:

I still have the rest to listen too.

The key for a successful presentation is to know your audience :). With that in mind Nick Pope had the best piece, if you were looking for how make money from "ET"s.

I also enjoyed Stanton Friedman (seemed a level headed presentation) and also the last one (Jaque Vallee). Again, level head, sound advice and no hype.

And, regardless of the profit/no profit debate, Kaku's bad jokes and the rest, it is interesting to see this talk on a business forum. Kinda reminds me of the Vatican and their "meeting" about alien life.

Could you imagine, a few years ago, someone talking about alien life with a straight face on a business forum :) ?

[Operator]

Kaku's bad jokes and the rest


I heard kaku's bad joke ... but since I am not a native English speaker I thought that I must have heard wrong ...



Could you imagine, a few years ago, someone talking about alien life with a straight face on a business forum :) ?


I am not sure if this wasn't discussed in the preceding years, probably not.
It looks like baby-steps of disclosure to me ... they can't get governments to admit this stuff is happening for quite a while now
so they are trying to get commerce interested in spilling some beans.

Most likely the attendees are not the CEOs of the industrial complexes who have covert knowledge of this for quite some time now.
So this could be an attempt to bring it to another level and push it from covert knowledge to overt serious commercial advertising to
gain support from this strong based area of society. Could be a clever move ... although I am not too happy with the "making money
of it" idea.

[Artemesia]

[/QUOTE] we already have that model, my friend...it's called EU, and it's falling apart pretty badly...

money is the root of the problem
[/QUOTE]

Well I would disagree. I agree the EU is a problem that is falling apart badly. This is SOLID evidence that it is NOT based on the universal pricipals I identified (there are others) above. Money is not and can not ever be a 'root' of a problem. As Inelia points out, it is simply an elemental. It can be used in a variety of ways. How it is employed/deployed is linked with the CONSCIOUSNESS of the user. If the consciousness is stuck in the lower/base attitudes like ego, self interest at the expense of humanity, nature, etc then money and how it is used, stored, etc will be one point of evidence of the problem. In a system that is TRULY founded on universal principles and managed, practiced and LIVED by individuals who all have the CONSCIOUSNESS to understand the importance and value of these, then the system will be sustainable. A good key to evaluating what is and is not sustainable is to look at what is falling down. If its falling right now or is making lots of problems, then its CLEARLY not rooted in Universal Principles. In this way, its a really simple way of evaluating things.

[gabbahh]

Money is not and can not ever be a 'root' of a problem.

When you listen to all the brilliant economics they will tell you that money is a store of wealth, and that it makes the world go around.

They are lying. What makes the world go around is We the people working till we drop dead. Money doesn't create skyshrapers; sand steel and hard working men & women do. We don't need money at all, we just need to take care of each other. No money needed, money in fact is anti wealth. Read a little bit Carroll Quigley about the real definition of money and how it is used to suppress and rob us

We don't need money, also no need for a government. If we are spiritually "enlightened" we will be free. And you will realise the notion of government and money is ridiculous. Stop thinking within these limited constructs. It is not possible to solve our problems using the same techniques and tools we have been using all along.

Money is paper AKA fake, all (((non local))) governments are useless, tyranical and not needed.

And no money is not the root of all evil, the love of money is. And it is a tool of suppression and not needed at all. But before we get to the point where we don't need money we still got a lot of growing up to do.

[Erich]

There's no problem with the world being united, so long as its not under false pretenses.

Unity / Oneness is not a bad thing, we are conditioned to think that one world gov't is some terrible NWO thing - don't get me wrong, I believe they are shooting for this - but I think it's also inevitable that the borders are going to have to come down before we can take the next steps as a species.

Well said. TPTB are appropriating what is essentially the right idea and turning it into something tres uncool. A one world government that actually served us and the planet would be a step up. Anything but one government, for one planet, for one group of people, doesn't make sense to me.

[DouglasDanger]

Why am I suddenly getting an image of an Alien arguing with a back water town mechanic about unnessisary repairs and he's not paying for the " buffing of the outer hull " either......

Good video's anyhow....:)

[Artemesia]

Anyone who thinks that world government is a good idea should talk to someone from Europe.

well I know right now its hard for many of us who have been doing our homework on understanding the agendas being played out in the political scene (for the last 5000 years) and the recent 'sprint for the finish' the PTB are making to fully realize their nightmare for a world of control, domination, and misuse and abuse of power taken to its penultimate actualization. But just for a moment, given all that you researchers peeking behind the veil know, you set it aside and feel into what you WOULD like to see in the world. Not what you are against. Not the 'not this'. But the wouldn't it be WONDERful IF bit. Now just imagine if that could be amplified and done all over this planet. People interacting with a deep love and concern for one another, personal freedom, the natural world, interactions of groups, etc etc. Can you also see there might be a way to do that which had systems to support it that were worldwide?

Where we are right now appears to be a pretty dark and stuck place in the world of politics, economics, the destruction of the Earth and its resources, etc. Both in this discussion and in the larger scene playing out. Holographic to the whole, right?

But the KEY to moving beyond stuckness is to recognize what is (lifting the veil, dispelling the naievete that all is pretty and good and working just fine) and then CHOOSING to envision a better way. The next step is actually easy. Just live it. In little ways, just in your own life. then, eventually, it spreads.

So imagine if you will a world of people who had FINALLY moved beyond their ignorance, their disrespect and unworthiness and self hatred that plays itself out in like ways against others, life, the natural world, etc. Envision what they would do with their lives, how they would spend their time, how they might interact. The idea that there could and WOULD be a system of interaction (what we may have termed 'government' in the past) to assist these life processes is not so out of this world as to be impossible.

We've all spent hours familiarizing ourselves with the worst of what a 'new world order' could look like.

The key to assuring it will never come to fruition as the buggers in power now see it will be to envision something else, and work towards that. Little steps. Each one leading to the next.

[Billy]

So far i think Stanton Friedman presented himself well. No profit making suggestions there, But NICK POPE Oh deary me, I just lost all respect for him. He just cannot think outside his controlled Box. Shame on you NIck. :fish: wake up for goodness sake :boink:

I still have the rest to listen too.


The key for a successful presentation is to know your audience :). With that in mind Nick Pope had the best piece, if you were looking for how make money from "ET"s.

I also enjoyed Stanton Friedman (seemed a level headed presentation) and also the last one (Jaque Vallee). Again, level head, sound advice and no hype.

And, regardless of the profit/no profit debate, Kaku's bad jokes and the rest, it is interesting to see this talk on a business forum. Kinda reminds me of the Vatican and their "meeting" about alien life.

Could you imagine, a few years ago, someone talking about alien life with a straight face on a business forum :) ?

I am not convinced that the key to a successful presentation is to "know" your audience , I would say speak the" truth " whether your audience like it or not, Even if they do pay $5000 a ticket . Just as Stanton and others managed in their presentation. Our universe and our mother earth gives energy freely. We are the only planet where we have to pay to live. I wonder which part of " free energy" Nick Pope does not understand. Looking at the comments on Utube I see i am not alone in my thinking, Yes encourage rich business men/woman to resreach and invest in advanced technology, not to make billions in profit, and for humanity to continue to be slaves to multi national cooperations, that is the old paradgm, but for the betterment of humanity and our earth.

[Artemesia]

Money is not and can not ever be a 'root' of a problem.


And no money is not the root of all evil, the love of money is.


I might further refine this to point out that its not love of money that is the root of the problem, but love of money without a balanced feature of love of self. When you truly love yourself, you don't fill in this hole with money and the things it can buy. Then you can appreciate money for what it can do without allowing it to become a crutch to fill in one's own inner world with the external, material world.

[The One]

And famine should have vanished from our planet years ago. But yet we still have our brothers and sisters dying in there millions unnecessarily in Africa and other parts of the world. Shame on the tptb they systematically let this happen. We all know that they could end starvation now.

[Operator]

And famine should have vanished from our planet years ago. But yet we still have our brothers and sisters dying in there millions unnecessarily in Africa and other parts of the world. Shame on the tptb they systematically let this happen. We all know that they could end starvation now.

Agreed ... but I'm afraid we have to look in the mirror too.
What did/do we actually do to stop TPTB let this systematically happen ?

The word systematical maybe key here as well. It also means 'predictable' so we should have learned our lessons by now
and start dealing with the predictable parts of this tragic game ...