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GlassSteagallfan
8th July 2011, 19:06
Obama's Call To Destroy Social Security Is Last Straw for Leading Democrats

July 8, 2011 • 9:45AM

President Nerobama is not fiddling while Rome burns, but actively setting the fires. Before his meeting today in the White House with Congressional leaders, Obama announced that he planned to put not only Medicare and Medicaid on the cutting block, but also Social Security, sending Democratic leaders into conniptions. Obama also said that his original plan for $2 trillion in cuts over the next decade was not adequate, doubling the figure to $4 trillion. As he said Tuesday, he sees the current total collapse of the real economy as "a unique opportunity to do something big to rebalance the nation's finances," by slashing the entitlements, doing something "big" in a "grand bargain" with the Republicans.

Obama did not consult, or even inform, the Democratic leadership of his plan to destroy the general welfare policies of the nation. Harry Reid, who has repeatedly insisted that Social Security could not be touched (and led the fight against George W. Bush's effort to privatize it) refused to answer reporters' questions about Obama's call, and got testy when reporters followed up on the issue. Nancy Pelosi was not informed, nor was Chris van Hollen, who had been part of the failed bipartisan team with Vice President Joe Biden working on a budget-cut plan. Van Hollen told CNN: "Congressional Democrats are not going to support something that seeks to balance the budget on the backs of Social Security beneficiaries."

Obama called the two-hour meeting in the White House Thursday "constructive," and told reporters that he (not a cooperative 'we') would convene a second meeting on Sunday.

The dog-and-pony show about "cuts vs tax hikes" continues, with Obama claiming that he is trading the destruction of the general welfare for taxes on corporate jets and closing some tax loop holes. Democrats in the Congress are furious, and the "nationalist block" in the Congress against Obama's nazi policies and for Glass-Steagall will be growing rapidly over the coming days. Barbara Mikulski (D-MD) said: "I think when the president does a deal, he ought to talk to the Democrats."

Even the pro-austerity Democrats are angry. Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.), chairman of the Senate Budget Committee and part of the Concord Coalition of budget-cutters, said he has never believed that Social Security trims should be used to reduce the debt. "Any savings from Social Security should be used to extend the solvency of Social Security," he said.

The Progressive Caucus Democrats exploded, sending a letter to Obama, demanding that Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid not be touched. "The middle class has experienced enough pain during the last three years," it said. "Republicans are willing to inflict even more. We will not join them." The signers include Reps. Raul Grijalva, Keith Ellison (Minn.), Judy Chu (Calif.), John Lewis (Ga.), Mike Honda (Calif.), Danny Davis (Ill.), John Conyers (Mich.), and Luis Gutierrez (Ill.).

Source: http://www.larouchepac.com/node/18698

Lost Soul
10th July 2011, 15:03
So, can the younger folks opt out and will the government ponzi scheme continue? Back to business.

I'm still amazed that there are folks even on this board who believe Obama is one of us. He works for the TPTB and obeys them, not the American people.

Rocky_Shorz
10th July 2011, 17:53
actually, they are looking at cutting from the top on social Security and Medicare, putting a cap on Max benefits for SS.

Why should Billionaires be getting Social Security and public healthcare?

They have done well enough to be beyond it...

Koyaanisqatsi
10th July 2011, 18:07
So, can the younger folks opt out and will the government ponzi scheme continue? Back to business.

I'm still amazed that there are folks even on this board who believe Obama is one of us. He works for the TPTB and obeys them, not the American people.

If he TAXES THE RICH in conjunction with this article, it rreally could work. Reagan pretty much F-ed the moddle class and the little guy over by giving such tax breaks to wealthiest Americans, nobody has changed it since because its "political suicide". TAX THE RICH Obama, if you can do that there is still hope, if not= poeple vs Banksters like in Greece.

Rocky_Shorz
10th July 2011, 18:26
the country is under financial blackmail right now, $2.2 Trillion taxpayers are paying interest on is just sitting in Bankers vaults, not helping grow the economy...

If we hit the wall, the bankers will start loaning to the US Government so tax payers will pay interest on that money, a second time...

great system...

GlassSteagallfan
10th July 2011, 18:30
More Fallout From Obama's Attack on Social Security

July 10, 2011 • 9:42AM

After President Obama let it publicly be known that he wanted to cut Social Security as part of any debt reduction deal with Congressional Republicans, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi fired off an angry note to Office of Management and Budget Director Jack Lew telling him, and through him Obama, that the President better not expect to be able to get passage of a debt deal without support from House Democrats. "Don't insult us," she reportedly said, when Lew tried to explain why House Democrats were cut out of the budget bill discussion earlier in the year. "You guys don't know how to count."

Pelosi and those close to her insist that her priority is defending the agenda of House Democrats, but one ally told Politico, "She's not averse to a deal." But it seems other Democrats are. According to the same Politico report, for many Democrats, the term "deal" has become a synonym for mugging, given Obama's penchant for making deals with the GOP and cutting out House Democrats, and Pelosi in particular, in the process. In a meeting of the caucus on Friday, Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee chairman Steve Israel (D-NY) reportedly declared that "We will defend Medicare and go our own way from the White House if we have to."

Columnist Miles Mogulescu goes a step further than Pelosi and most House Democrats so far seem willing to in a piece posted on the liberal Huffington Post. The only real difference between Paul Ryan's plans and Obama's for Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, Mogulescu argues, is that Ryan would kill them all at once. Obama's plan is for "death by a thousand cuts."

"Once Democrats take their finger out of the dike of Social Security, and Medicare and Medicaid and allow cuts to begin," Mogulescu writes, "over time the flood waters will overwhelm them and these vital middle class safety net programs will be dismantled brick by brick."

Source: http://www.larouchepac.com/node/18719

Lost Soul
11th July 2011, 17:32
So, can the younger folks opt out and will the government ponzi scheme continue? Back to business.

I'm still amazed that there are folks even on this board who believe Obama is one of us. He works for the TPTB and obeys them, not the American people.

If he TAXES THE RICH in conjunction with this article, it rreally could work. Reagan pretty much F-ed the moddle class and the little guy over by giving such tax breaks to wealthiest Americans, nobody has changed it since because its "political suicide". TAX THE RICH Obama, if you can do that there is still hope, if not= poeple vs Banksters like in Greece.

The rich don't have to pay taxes because they don't have to have income. They keep the money in the corporation and the corporation provides for their needs. It is better to raise the cap on social security taxes no matter how much one makes. Second, tax the multinational corporations that do business here in America.

Raising income taxes actually hurts not the rich but the middle class. The Reagan tax reform wiped out a lot of deductions the little guy could take advantage of. It was actually the worse of the four tax reform measures being floated around at the time. So, let's not talk about raising taxes. Rather, raise the social security taxes and tax foreign corporations. Also impose tariffs on imported goods and this means discarding GATT and NAFTA. That'll help bring jobs back to America as formerly American corporations that have gone multi-national must not return to their roots and produce here in America again.

Fred Steeves
11th July 2011, 17:59
The jobs aren't coming back, the economie's not coming back, foreign occupations will not end, no bankers will go to jail, and the Executive Branch will continue to consolidate power, as planned. Obama is lying through his teeth, and doing what he's told, just like Bush. As planned.

American are no more connected to their government than one of Von Braun's designed rocket boosters are to the shuttle while falling back to earth.

But, other than that they've got us right where we want them. We've transitioned to a new scene. It's not about them any more, it's about us.


Cheers,
Fred