The Four Control Dramas From The Celestine Prophecy

[DNA]

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The Four Control Dramas from the Celestine Prophecy (http://www.relationshipspecialists.com/articles/the-four-control-dramas-from-the-celestine-prophecy/)

The Celestine Prophecy’s 4 Control Dramas

The sixth insight states that childhood dramas block our ability to fully experience the mystical.
All humans, because of their upbringing, tend toward one of the four “control dramas”: intimidators steal energy from others by threat.
Interrogators steal it by judging and questioning. Aloof people attract attention (and energy) to themselves by acting reserved or withdrawing. And poor me’s make us feel guilty and responsible for them.
The above description from James Redfield’s book, The Celestine Prophecy, defines four ways that people are in relationship with one another.
All are attempts to control another’s behavior. What is this need we have to control? Why do we feel it is necessary?
We attempt to control and manipulate others because we believe that if they would change their behavior we would be happy and so would they.
When people do things we don’t like, or when we’re not getting our way, we think they are wrong.
Then, believing we are right and they are wrong, we think that we have the right to impose our beliefs on them.
What we are attempting to do is protect our beliefs. How does this play out in a relationship?
Marilyn: Control dramas are a fascinating phenomena within a relationship.

It is usually easy to pick out our partner’s drama, but rarely do we recognize how we play into it. For example, my former husband was a classic interrogator.
I’m convinced that James Redfield coined the term after meeting him!
A critical man, my ex continually poked and prodded and found fault in everything I said or did.
Sometimes I wondered what kind of perverse pleasure he got out of finding me so inadequate.
Nothing was ever good enough for him.
He could question me at length about anything, even something as simple as grocery shopping: “How could it take you so long to shop for food? How much did you spend this week? How could you be so extravagant?
Were all those purchases really necessary?
Did we need two kinds of lettuce AND tomatoes? etc.
I once bought a deli sandwich to split with my son.
Seeing the sandwich on the receipt, my ex blew a gasket: “How dare you waste my money on a store-bought sandwich?
You could have made one when you got home!” (This man earned a handsome salary; $3.00 was definitely not a hardship.)
I often felt like I was on trial. It was so infuriating; I couldn’t win. During each interrogation I would ask myself: “Why do you bother trying to talk to him?; you know what the end result is going to be.”
Eventually I quit trying. It was then that my control drama became clear. In case I need to name it for anyone, I am aloof.

After many years of being interrogated, I learned to protect myself by ignoring my ex as much as possible, remaining busy with children, work, school, or friends.
I would refrain from telling him what was happening in my life and when I had to talk to him, I would be as vague as possible. He hated this behavior.

What I didn’t recognize then are the wounds my detachment reopened for him, having grown up with a father that traveled extensively for his job; a father whose attention he wanted, but had to share with three other siblings; an aloof father.

This re-wounding pattern is what happens over and over again in relationship. We trigger our partner’s wounds and unknowingly re-wound them.
They, in turn, trigger our wounds and we each continue to play out old patterns.
The reason this happens is because as our relationships deepen, our partner unconsciously touches those parts of us which need to be healed.

In the case of my relationship with my former husband, he needed help healing the wound that triggered his interrogation drama. He needed to learn a new, more appropriate way to get attention. I, on the other hand, needed help healing the wound that caused me to withdraw and act secretive, a wound that originated with a critical mother.

Instead, we continued to re-wound one another. We were so caught up with fighting each other’s control dramas and proving ourselves to be right that there was no room for experiencing the joy of relationship, let alone catching a glimpse of the mystical.
The opposite of needing to control a relationship is trusting in it. In a conscious relationship there is no need or desire to control.
It is not necessary to change our partner’s behavior or to protect our beliefs. Instead, we choose to trust ourselves, our partner, and the relationship. Depending on where we are in our growth, we can then can use the relationship to do our personal work: to recognize our wounds and control dramas; to work with our partner to heal ourselves; and, to move toward becoming more spiritual and finding higher meaning in our lives.

Chuck: Marilyn and I are both aloof. I know that when I go into a room I will wait for others to say hello to me. I once thought I was just shy, but now realize this behavior was developed over time so that I would not have to risk being vulnerable. It was a way I could control how people interacted with me.

I have used this behavior in all my relationships to maintain control. When Marilyn and I came together, we both knew what we wanted in a relationship, namely, an open, honest, sharing of ourself with another. Old patterns, however, are hard to die. When our relationship began, we had fights in which one of us would just leave. It could be leaving the room or leaving the house, but it was an attempt to control the other’s behavior by getting them to come after us. When we realized what we were doing, we began to change that behavior.

Instead of leaving, we made a conscious decision to stay and try to work through the issue. That meant being vulnerable and owning what we were feeling. For example: “I’m feeling very hurt about what you said.” In this way there was no blaming or trying to control. We found that because we care about each other, when we risk being honest about our feelings, the other person is naturally drawn to our vulnerability and therefore to us. We then talk about what happened and resolve it in the moment because neither of us feels blamed or controlled.

Lately we’ve taken this a step further by injecting humor into our conflicts. When one of us is inadvertently critical of the other, the injured person might say something like: “What type of feeling did you want me to have by your last statement?”
Said in a humorous way it becomes a clue that the other was hurt and it is immediately dealt with, usually with an embarrassed laugh of recognition. We’re continually learning what it takes to overcome our control dramas. We still have disagreements, but because we both recognize our tendencies toward aloofness, we have an awareness of when we withdraw. We can then choose to break the habit by owning what’s going on in the moment and talking about what just happened. We are having fun with our attempts at humor and they usually work.

Marilyn and Chuck:This is our life’s work, exploring new ways to use our relationship for personal growth. It includes staying in integrity with ourselves and choosing to help heal instead of re-wound each other. We believe that one of the greatest gifts we can give the people in our lives is being 100% who we are. It is then that each person will be challenged and can take responsibility for their own lives, fears, and emotions. In this way we become whole.
This article, written by Marilyn and Chuck, is reprinted with permission from Woman’s Way Magazine. Copyright © 2001 the Relationship Specialists, Inc. All rights reserved.

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[DNA]

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[Koyaanisqatsi]

The celestine prophecy is an awesome book. I tend to think more metaphysical forces affect our perceptions than mere psychology, however. We don't have it all figured out to a science yet.

[Thinking Allowed]

Thanks DNA. I needed that right now. Have read all the Celestine books and needed a quick refresher!

[Rocky_Shorz]

more than ever before, energy levels are peaking and if you are to keep the peace in a relationship you need to be reading what is going on.

when to feed positive energy and when to draw down the negative is an art

anyone remember an arguments are futile moment... nothing you could say or do will make it better...


so you just smile...


they were digging for angry energy, and you just blasted them with love...


result in most cases is an explosion, but you shielded with a smile, the angrier they are, the more peaceful you become...


they can't fight with peace, so their anger is released...

[DNA]

more than ever before, energy levels are peaking and if you are to keep the peace in a relationship you need to be reading what is going on.

when to feed positive energy and when to draw down the negative is an art

anyone remember an arguments are futile moment... nothing you could say or do will make it better...


so you just smile...


they were digging for angry energy, and you just blasted them with love...


result in most cases is an explosion, but you shielded with a smile, the angrier they are, the more peaceful you become...


they can't fight with peace, so their anger is released...

To a degree everyone practices energy thievery. Recognizing it and working on minimizing it is key, but, there is just no way you are not going to get hooked every once in a while and turn the tables on someone.
There is no way I'm going to say I'm holier than though and haven't told a "poor me" to quit whining, or confronted an intimidater and let them know exactly what it is they are doing, or told an inquisitioner to keep their needling pessimistic judging to them selves.

I think intimidaters and poor me's are the easiest drama types to recognize.
Aloofs are the hardest.
Inquisitioners are obvious when they are a family member, but sometimes it's hard to know when constructive critisism begins and soul sucking disempowerment by putting you off balance takes over.

I think you make a good point Rocky Shorz, and that sometimes, you have to step outside the game and recognize when some one just needs a hug.
Some times we should just give our energy to folks who really need it.
Not always, and certainly not to the point of depletion. But, there are times when it is better to just try and help.
Especially parents where kids and such are involved.

[Rocky_Shorz]

well you would really be amazed how much energy you have, when you surround yourself with peace, and they release...

the anger is gone from them, and then they feel bad...


another smile this time not as a shield, but as a friend...


as energy builds, so does laughter...


laughter is healing...


energy levels are higher after than before, and now it is all good...


so shouldn't you both be drained instead of feeling stronger?


there is no end to your energy, just a body that needs rest...

[Rocky_Shorz]

if you look at anything or anyone to find its beauty, you are feeding it energy it will grow from...

Looking at a plant seeing how dry it is, makes it dryer... Looking at the new shoots from the main branch, feeds it energy to grow from...

[DNA]

well you would really be amazed how much energy you have, when you surround yourself with peace, and they release...

the anger is gone from them, and then they feel bad...


another smile this time not as a shield, but as a friend...


as energy builds, so does laughter...


laughter is healing...


energy levels are higher after than before, and now it is all good...


so shouldn't you both be drained instead of feeling stronger?


there is no end to your energy, just a body that needs rest...

I agree and disagree.
We are an infinite soul in a finite body, with finite energy associated with it.
Kind of like this picture
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRAsBkAwBjDNblTLVlbPtfHqqVa0g-NhwwD0EWpgt2Zqpxaj35M_w&t=1
The energy that get's exchanged between folks is the aura energy.
The Chi energy in the aura goes where one's attention goes.
It's cool to give your attention and your energy to somebody, but one has to be carefull not to be taken advantage of.
Like in this picture here.
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTmxxLPcv64YP8dqGQc91YnvjHsRt_Vaue8psiIX10xQM6FKk4o&t=1
In this picture we have someone who has used a control drama on someone else and stolen their energy, thus deflating their field.
Yes it can be replenished through rest, and especially sleep, but it is still a undesrable state to find one self in.
Especially for the remainder of the day.

[Rocky_Shorz]

have you ever heard of the 11th insight?

once you've achieved the 10th, you are no longer limited to your energy...

[DNA]

have you ever heard of the 11th insight?

once you've achieved the 10th, you are no longer limited to your energy...

I'm going to be honest here.
I love the Celestine Prophecy's 1-8 insights. Top notch stuff.
The 9th insight, is talking about some David Wilcock type ascension stuff.
I would love for that stuff to be true, to be able to vibrate at such a high freqency that you dissapear from those who are still lower frequency, but until I do it, or hear of a seminar where some one is doing this stuff for all to see, it is relagated to the stuff of legend as far as I am concerned. A myth. Unpractible in casual conversation in terms of application.

The tenth insight is in regards to understanding the POWER of group dynamics, and makiing it easier for a individual to resonate thier higher selves when empowered by a willing group giving them their attention/energy.
This in my opinion is what you may be alluding to, and I must say, this is our best hope in choosing a leader and elevating him to the point of making the right choices for our planet.
The eleventh insight was really much better than I thought it was going to be, and for all intensive purposes, was "The Secret" before the secret came out.
All about the power of intention. The power of intention is real, and it is not. In my opinion, it is only real for someone who has gone through the pain and solitude of extreme introspection, and truelly knows themself inside and even further inside and then even further inside.

In my humble opinion, you can not voice the power of intention, until you have silenced all of the socially planted voices that ask for things counter to that intention.

The 11tth insight discusses this power of intention and using that power of intention to activate the ninth insight and resonate at a higher frequency.

That being said, I being a mere mortal who resides in the third dimension will not make claims I can vibrate at a higher frequency indefinatly, disapear from the view of my peers and provide limitless energy to those who wish to use me as a resource of limitless power.

If you have achieved such a state, more power to you. But there is a difference between reading something and being able to put it into actual practice. And knowing that difference is what I would call pragmatism. I never cease to be amazed out how undervalued pragmatism is in the pursuits of spirituality.

[Rocky_Shorz]

well I see what they are teaching as metaphorical, I used to cross to heaven to talk with missing children to solve their cases... the 10th is knowing there is a beyond...

in the books and movies they talk about physically disappearing, but I consider it more of a dimension that can be passed through while still being physically here. In the alternative community, people think it means alternative belief, but it doesn't those who call heaven source, have never seen it... I chuckle with a whatever when I hear it, but how they show in the movie the intense colors of all living things, a bird singing sounds like a 10,000 singing at once, all of your sense incredibly enhanced... sheer beauty, but it isn't here on earth like the movie shows, more like a portal to an incredible land.

The 11th insight to me is the step past knowing of the beyond when you join a combined Spirit of all who are a part of this reality. Seeing glimpses of the future in time to warn the other Spirits to make a change...

a manipulation of timelines on a Global Scale, Billions of Souls combining to move forward

all waking up and seeing just a handful trying to lead the world down a path of darkness...

the power struggle is over the moment everyone opens their eyes

[DNA]

So your saying you can bodily move into heaven at will?
So, if a person were standing next to you while you were doing this, would they see you dissapear?
I don't mean to sound skeptical, but, well, I was just born that way.
I come from the Show Me State.

I for instance talk about spirits and how this topic of energy relates with ghosts and what not.
I also talk about the long hard road I had to hoe before i could see them and the practical meditations I had to do in order to get my third eye buzzing.
How To See A Ghost For Your Self (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21695-How-To-See-A-Ghost-For-Your-Self)
I also further discuss the dynamics behind energy stealing and fourth dimensional ghost and other spectral beings in this thread I started here. Parasitic Non-Organic Multidimensional Beings (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21614-Parasitic-Non-Organic-Multidimensional-Beings)
I try not to make supernatural claims without showing step by step progresion to such a state, because to do so wouldn't be helping anybody, quite on the contrary, it would serve as to project a desired image and thus, create a cult of personality-persona.
To be concerned with image and not teaching is to do exactly the kind of thing the Celestine Prophecy warns us about.
We shouldn't be concerned with making grand claims.
For unless those grand claims are accompanied with the ability to show others how to accomplish the same thing, then those claims come devoid of wisdom.
I would guess the creator isn't in the habit of blessing people with extroadinary gifts who are devoid of wisdom.

I prefer to discuss things that are in the realm of possibillity. Rather than make inferences and speculate on what is possible.

[Rocky_Shorz]

more of a picture in picture when I do it out of dreams, I was just gathering info however possible. In dreams, some are in color, but when you visit, its in Spectacu-color... touch feel smell... enhanced to unexplained levels, not even the finest CDs compare in "fullness" you have only heard in 3D but in this dream it is 4th... How can you dream a reality you've never experienced if it doesn't exist?

and as for me, I lead by example, have laid out in black and white things that many have always wanted proof of...

I like the Celestine properties in what it quickly teaches, I don't see people going through a single path, a multitute of choices to get there, ending at the point they were meant to... knowing "The way" doesn't get you there faster, just happier... ;)

[DNA]

more of a picture in picture when I do it out of dreams, I was just gathering info however possible. In dreams, some are in color, but when you visit, its in Spectacu-color... touch feel smell... enhanced to unexplained levels, not even the finest CDs compare in "fullness" you have only heard in 3D but in this dream it is 4th... How can you dream a reality you've never experienced if it doesn't exist?


One is quite capable of astral travel in dreams and going to actual places in my opinion. Of this I have very little doubt.
But, as far as I am aware, access to the heaven worlds is not possible.
Access to the fourth dimension, the place of ghosts who have not passed on is very possible. And these ghosts are very capable of creating a "power of intention" reality with the energy they take from the third dimension and using it to alter the plieable construct of the fourth dimension. Thus creating strange and spectacular environments.
Travel to the heaven worlds is by invitation only, and leaving one's mortal coil is a requirement before that invitation is made.


and as for me, I lead by example, have laid out in black and white things that many have always wanted proof of...

I like the Celestine properties in what it quickly teaches, I don't see people going through a single path, a multitute of choices to get there, ending at the point they were meant to... knowing "The way" doesn't get you there faster, just happier... ;)
Very well then. :)

[Fred Steeves]

All this control drama talk, and no one has volunteered which one they are.


Cheers,
Fred

[Rocky_Shorz]

more of a picture in picture when I do it out of dreams, I was just gathering info however possible. In dreams, some are in color, but when you visit, its in Spectacu-color... touch feel smell... enhanced to unexplained levels, not even the finest CDs compare in "fullness" you have only heard in 3D but in this dream it is 4th... How can you dream a reality you've never experienced if it doesn't exist?


One is quite capable of astral travel in dreams and going to actual places in my opinion. Of this I have very little doubt.
But, as far as I am aware, access to the heaven worlds is not possible.
Access to the fourth dimension, the place of ghosts who have not passed on is very possible. And these ghosts are very capable of creating a "power of intention" reality with the energy they take from the third dimension and using it to alter the plieable construct of the fourth dimension. Thus creating strange and spectacular environments.
Travel to the heaven worlds is by invitation only, and leaving one's mortal coil is a requirement before that invitation is made.


and as for me, I lead by example, have laid out in black and white things that many have always wanted proof of...

I like the Celestine properties in what it quickly teaches, I don't see people going through a single path, a multitute of choices to get there, ending at the point they were meant to... knowing "The way" doesn't get you there faster, just happier... ;)
Very well then. :)

I started solving missing children cases, then called to the big guy to deliver messages, yes there is a Nirvana for souls to rest and regroup, but that is also where you cross into the light when you aren't coming back here for another round. Spirits are everywhere in this dimension that haven't taken the step. so why are any left behind? As for Dimensions, I have been in 3 outside of our own, but it is the same as here, only 1 has the 4D experience, and that is Nirvana, where dreams and heaven meet. one was where the Hall of Kings were located, in darkness, that is where Abaddon was holding his army... the second was through the doorway I brought the army through, it was London gray, no sun but very bright. That was where the Battle with Abaddon happened before he jumped into a Lake of Fire...

for thousands of years, teachers have taught what they know, and students have listened, but for a student to be able to see it in black and white gives them more than just understanding, it gives them truths to build on to grow their inner Spirit, and the knowing they can do it too.

The Celestine properties does a very good job of explaining the concepts in simple English, I'm just sharing what I have learned through experience for when others reach the same point...

there is nothing wrong with believing in Heaven my friend...


been there, done that... it's awesome


a day in heaven is a year on earth, so if you pass 20 years before your spouse, it is just 20 days of relaxing in paradise. 100 days start to finish for a whole family... America is only a little over half a year old...

[Rocky_Shorz]

I am here to ask for help, and I appreciate all your efforts...

I'm bringing this across from the other thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?24996-wtf-is-this-who-am-I-and-where-am-I&p=260741&viewfull=1#post260741) because it will have meaning for many.

what happened over there was, I took a few things he had said after telling him to listen, was thinking live metal but wrote live music...

as he read it he saw duel meaning instantly repeating what I was thinking. I would consider it an insight, right now many people are "feeling" written words. but to communicate beyond the written word is something strong in Genx-z... they type a 6 letter message, it expands in their friends head to a full sentence or paragraph.

now to be a musician for someone that feels words is a natural, but being able to weave thought into your songs, are part of your gifts.

if you sing, walking through the valley of death while thinking of Zombies, that is the image everyone will see hearing your song, but if you sang the same song while thinking about being watched over by an angel it will send that message.

same thing with video games, you can leave mind clues to secret passages, only the gifted will hear it, the rest have cheats... ;)

now what I want to point out is what you also said, about going up on stage...

dropping Death Metal and going to Live Metal was me, your Spirit gave you the image that taking the step would put you on stage.

so you do have the ability to hear, and be guided...

[PurpleLama]

Rocky, DNA, anyone else familiar with the principles of the Celestine Prophecy,

are any of you familiar with the books Search for God 1 and 2?

it's a "christian" study guide that was put together by querying the Edgar Cayce source for a clear path to the higher spiritual states. In my estimation it would be seen as a building upon the concepts put forth by Redfield, only fifty or more years earlier. Rocky, you especially would get a kick out of it, if you're not already familiar....

Books 1 and 2 are available in one volume on amazon, and I guarantee it would be worth the expense to have it.

[afflicto]

Very interesting Rocky.

[Rocky_Shorz]

too bad it was turned into what it did, you came to us and told us what was on your mind, I used it to make a point and most just read the last few posts and don't understand someone around death metal is around that concept all the time. Not as big of a deal as they turned it into.

you came to us for a special moment, it happened, and now you are ready to continue your journey


any other questions?

[DNA]

All this control drama talk, and no one has volunteered which one they are.Cheers,
Fred

I apoligise, I've been offline for a few days.
Fred,,,I'm personally going to take a pass here. And for the most part,,I would suggest others to do the same.
I don't think it's important for folks to divulge their personal information in order to take advantage of this information.
Also,,,if you would like to create an exercise in order to help illustrate these points, we could find video snippets on youtube, post them, and ask the question what drama do you think is being utilized.

Also, not trying to label anyone Fred, but that question would be very usefull to a inqusitioner drama type. LoL :)




I started solving missing children cases, then called to the big guy to deliver messages, yes there is a Nirvana for souls to rest and regroup, but that is also where you cross into the light when you aren't coming back here for another round. Spirits are everywhere in this dimension that haven't taken the step. so why are any left behind? As for Dimensions, I have been in 3 outside of our own, but it is the same as here, only 1 has the 4D experience, and that is Nirvana, where dreams and heaven meet. one was where the Hall of Kings were located, in darkness, that is where Abaddon was holding his army... the second was through the doorway I brought the army through, it was London gray, no sun but very bright. That was where the Battle with Abaddon happened before he jumped into a Lake of Fire...

for thousands of years, teachers have taught what they know, and students have listened, but for a student to be able to see it in black and white gives them more than just understanding, it gives them truths to build on to grow their inner Spirit, and the knowing they can do it too.
The Celestine properties does a very good job of explaining the concepts in simple English, I'm just sharing what I have learned through experience for when others reach the same point...
there is nothing wrong with believing in Heaven my friend...
been there, done that... it's awesome
a day in heaven is a year on earth, so if you pass 20 years before your spouse, it is just 20 days of relaxing in paradise. 100 days start to finish for a whole family... America is only a little over half a year old...

I don't think I ever stated there is anything wrong with heaven. I personally don't think incarnated humans are allowed to go, wether through astral travel, or dreaming.
There is a veil, a partician in place, our souls are incarnating on earth for the purpose of instruction.
The lessons learned here would lose their value and meaning if we we're given heavenly access while in the flesh.
And as far as making outlandish claims, I'm open to folks being farther along the path than myself, I just think folks that have done so should be able to give a step by step progression of how they achieved such a state. Or atleast hint at the materials that elevated their consciousness to do what they have done.

Without such, their words are empty claims as far as I'm concerned that are attempts at attention and adoration by their peers.

[DNA]

Rocky, DNA, anyone else familiar with the principles of the Celestine Prophecy,

are any of you familiar with the books Search for God 1 and 2?

it's a "christian" study guide that was put together by querying the Edgar Cayce source for a clear path to the higher spiritual states. In my estimation it would be seen as a building upon the concepts put forth by Redfield, only fifty or more years earlier. Rocky, you especially would get a kick out of it, if you're not already familiar....

Books 1 and 2 are available in one volume on amazon, and I guarantee it would be worth the expense to have it.

Search for god 1 and 2?
I have never heard of them.
I'm very inerested in the Cayce material. The Cayce material and the Urantia book both hint at the same type of cosmology going on. With spiritual administrators of the galaxy and universe.
These same archangel figures mentioned by Cayce are mentioned in the Urantia book.
Feel free to expand on these topics if you like PurpleLama. :)

[Rocky_Shorz]

well a million have died following the messages I've delivered, not to convince anyone but me...


sounds pretty cold, but on the brighter side I have watched him save 6.5 Billion


as I said before, it is only empty until you realize it is there in black and white...


and as for attention, why do you think I am here in a conspiracy forum with a very small following if attention was what I was after?


as for peers, I don't speak or teach new age, so I am not even seen by them here... ;)


darn near invisible is how I want to stay

[Fred Steeves]

Also, not trying to label anyone Fred, but that question would be very usefull to a inqusitioner drama type. LoL :)




Ha, swing and a miss!

If you didn't want to get into that DNA that's fine, but in the book any way, it's a common topic of discussion, and one doesn't move any further along without confronting this aspect of themselves. I have no problem divulging mine, but that would be kind of weird if that was the only one.:eek:

Cheers,
Fred

[Rocky_Shorz]

I thought the Celestine Prophesies were incredible when I first read it, now with all of this going on to stumble across it on Time Warners Movies on Demand...

like you said nothing like the books, but what I was reading and watching years ago, we're doing now and have even gone further...

[modwiz]

I thought the Celestine Prophesies were incredible when I first read it, now with all of this going on to stumble across it on Time Warners Movies on Demand...

like you said nothing like the books, but what I was reading and watching years ago, we're doing now and have even gone further...

I agree with you Rocky. The CP's created an awareness that many used to break their energy stealing patterns/habits. I realized that being aloof was how I would get people to tune into me thereby sending me frequencies and then energy as they engaged with me. Often it was because I seemed mysterious and certain people would investigate. When I became aware of this pattern, generated from old emotional wounds from formative years, I changed it the best way a 6'3'' man can by being 'less' present in a room. I would turn down my own signal to attract as little attention as possible. I also dressed and wore my head and facial hair more like a muggle.

I have gone back to my natural appearance now because 'being myself' is necessary to living my truth. I do not want any energy but that from Source and other willing sources.

I think a lot of us have moved there, Fred S included. I still like to keep to myself but just because I enjoy my own company and vibration. There are still plenty out there looking for a free energy meal. lol

[Rocky_Shorz]

well knowing it in group meetings is incredibly important feeding the ones standing with you increases all of you, 3 together can move mountains and that draws the others into your views instead of fighting...

you can gather inbound energy from the sun from these burst, imagine a large net draw it in and feed it to Avalon...

it is a 24 hour gathering from around the world, so almost has a spirit of its own with the collective hearts...

people needing healing, a smile or just to find peace will find what they need and feed it back 7 fold...

[Rocky_Shorz]

there are many connected to Avalon that are like Capacitors, they can absorb incredible amounts of energy and release it when needed, there are others flowing with power from heavens light that are a continuous feed for growth of everyone involved, we are here right now for a moment.

Carmody and Astrid are spinning...

send green to the deserts when you feel your hair starting to rise... ;)

[Carmen]

Ah! Control dramas! I think I used the lot!!! Whatever worked. Great fun. Learned from them all.

[Rocky_Shorz]

some people ask why I wasn't worried about getting a patent on the little Prius invention...

take a look at this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?24992-Good-news-Bad-news-with-Ron-Paul&p=261444&viewfull=1#post261444)

followed by a 3.9(3x3) Mag earthquake, 100 miles from London, just as long as we've been under control of the fed 100 years... It followed a 7 in Japan...

now for someone not watching, it means nothing, but to the one delivering the messages, it means a lot.

[DNA]

Also, not trying to label anyone Fred, but that question would be very usefull to a inqusitioner drama type. LoL :)




Ha, swing and a miss!

If you didn't want to get into that DNA that's fine, but in the book any way, it's a common topic of discussion, and one doesn't move any further along without confronting this aspect of themselves. I have no problem divulging mine, but that would be kind of weird if that was the only one.:eek:

Cheers,
Fred

LOL, Thats cool.

When I read the Celestine Prophecy for the first time I was blown away.
At the time, I was into Tai Chi, Taoism and Chi Kung, so I was familiar with the idea that energy, the human energy field was a very real thing.

I also had a hard time trying to understand the falsehoods I saw people portraying, but I had no framework with which to operate in.
Right after reading the Celstine Prophecy my non-spiritual uncle handed me a book called "Born to Win".
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_YXDeRMYElg/TV4Rhd6GwgI/AAAAAAAABfQ/KIpKpjDh85c/s1600/born-to-win.jpg
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Can I just say this book went along with the Celestine Prophecy like Peanut Butter and Jelly. :)
Transactional Analysis or TA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transactional_analysis)just blew my mind and I was amazed to receive this book so synchronicitically soon after reading The Celestine.
Though this book has a very cheesy self help ring to it, no one who has ever taken my recomendation to read this book and been dissapointed.
Transactional Analysis is the back bone or foundation upon which neuro-linguistic programming is built, though where NLP can be bewildering, Transactional Analysis is striaght forward.

[DNA]

I thought the Celestine Prophesies were incredible when I first read it, now with all of this going on to stumble across it on Time Warners Movies on Demand...

like you said nothing like the books, but what I was reading and watching years ago, we're doing now and have even gone further...

I agree with you Rocky. The CP's created an awareness that many used to break their energy stealing patterns/habits. I realized that being aloof was how I would get people to tune into me thereby sending me frequencies and then energy as they engaged with me. Often it was because I seemed mysterious and certain people would investigate. When I became aware of this pattern, generated from old emotional wounds from formative years, I changed it the best way a 6'3'' man can by being 'less' present in a room. I would turn down my own signal to attract as little attention as possible. I also dressed and wore my head and facial hair more like a muggle.

I have gone back to my natural appearance now because 'being myself' is necessary to living my truth. I do not want any energy but the from Source and other willing sources.

I think a lot of us have moved there, Fred S included. I still like to keep to myself but just because I enjoy my own company and vibration. There are still plenty out there looking for a free energy meal. lol

Wow, Excellent stuff Modwiz. Thank You. :)
Agreed there are a lot of those folks who are still looking for a free lunch.
And I think a lot of it has to do with your signature. There are a lot of unexamined lives out there.
Not many folks want to take to the proverbial cave, and go through the stages of elongated introspection.
It's tuff going through that stage where you take nothing about yourself for granted, questioning personal paradigms, why you define things the way you do. I'm not going to lie, it's freaking exhausting.
But, it certainly doesn't need to last forever. And when you are done, you are so much better for it in my opinion.

When most folks claim they don't have a drama type, it is ussually because they are aloof and it is so much harder and less obvious to see than the others. :)
You sound like you have done some excellent work with yours.
Thank You for your personal illustration Modwiz

[Fred Steeves]

I realized that being aloof was how I would get people to tune into me thereby sending me frequencies and then energy as they engaged with me. Often it was because I seemed mysterious and certain people would investigate.

Well lookie there, Modwiz broke the ice. Ballsy dude! The first time I read the book, maybe 4 years ago or so, I was still a ways off from the jolt of waking up, and thus rapidly learning about all this hidden stuff, energy included. The energy part made sense, and seemed like a good concept, but from a psychological point of view, it struck me with no doubt that I would be in the aloof category also. I read it again over the week-end a couple of weeks ago, and it's amazing the difference a few years can make. Like, how could I have missed this? How could I have missed that?

In a way it's like being a recovering vampire, sucking someone's energy in by being mysterious and/or aloof must be similar to how a bare, smooth neck would look to the vampire. But, once it's firmly understood that there is infinite energy available for all, and this is not a closed circuit, it makes it a lot easier. Hell, it's actually kind of fun just to toss energy right back out there, or to other people, just cause.

You know, come to think of it, that's a VERY dangerous understanding to those who would prefer to keep the circuit closed. Maybe I'll send them a little love jolt, just to say good morning.:pound:


Cheers,
Fred

[Fred Steeves]

Though this book has a very cheesy self help ring to it, no one who has ever taken my recomendation to read this book and been dissapointed.


Thanks for adding that part in DNA, I was really starting to wonder. LOL. So o.k., I'll check it out if you say so. Actually, though I've heard a lot about NLP type stuff, it's something I've yet to really investigate, therefore I shall.


Thanks and Cheers,
Fred

[DNA]

Well lookie there, Modwiz broke the ice. Ballsy dude! The first time I read the book, maybe 4 years ago or so, I was still a ways off from the jolt of waking up, and thus rapidly learning about all this hidden stuff, energy included. The energy part made sense, and seemed like a good concept, but from a psychological point of view, it struck me with no doubt that I would be in the aloof category also. I read it again over the week-end a couple of weeks ago, and it's amazing the difference a few years can make. Like, how could I have missed this? How could I have missed that?

In a way it's like being a recovering vampire, sucking someone's energy in by being mysterious and/or aloof must be similar to how a bare, smooth neck would look to the vampire. But, once it's firmly understood that there is infinite energy available for all, and this is not a closed circuit, it makes it a lot easier. Hell, it's actually kind of fun just to toss energy right back out there, or to other people, just cause.

You know, come to think of it, that's a VERY dangerous understanding to those who would prefer to keep the circuit closed. Maybe I'll send them a little love jolt, just to say good morning.:pound:


Cheers,
Fred

I think I have an illustration. Something to give a little perspective.
When I was 22 I was trying to get my best freind involved in some of my pursuits.
I had explained the tenents of the Celestine to him, but he was uninterested.

I took him to the local spiritual book store at the time. The Alpha book store here in Phoenix.
As he was paroosing the book racks he came back to me with something he thought was immensly interesting.
The memory reminds of this scene from Harry Potter's first deathly hallows (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buJPwD5nW1g). When Tom Riddle asks Professor Slughorn how to make a horcrux.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buJPwD5nW1g

My friend Brandon, brought me a book he had been browsing through and asked my opinion.
The book was titled "Chaos Magic".
I read the preface and paroosed the first chapter.
The book was an independently published book, and it was a limted edition pamphlet style book. It was number 78 of 500.
The book was the evil version of the Celestine Prophecy, it showed you how to steal people's energy.

The premise was to get people to agree with you on small subjects, like the weather or sports or something not of substance.
Then increase the measure of the agreements by moving the barometer of importance.
I was so glad to see an interest in spiritual matters and the soul, that I admitted it was legit.

The guy was already a kind of natural born leader if you will. Very charasmatic.
He then began to follow every statement he would make with a "you know what I mean?" and add slight affirmative head movements in with his questions.

It's sad really. He only became interested in spirituality when there was an angle to it.
His whole life was about capturing as much energy from folks as he could.
He became a musician, but he had absolutely no talent, so he did rock/rap, and he rapped. Horrible.
The worst part wasn't when he was on stage, but when he would endlessly lobby for folks to go to his shows. This was when he would use the Poor me drama on folks saying how hard the music scene was.
This was when our freindship ended.
He covered himself with tattooes, jewelry the works. This was so he could be aloof when he wanted to.
He would emerse himself in republican dogma and then bait people into dialogues which invariably became debates he would never really lose because he would never budge or listen to what you had to say, this so he could use inquistion drama.

And then he emmersed himself in MMA (mixed martial arts) and became a profesional cage fighter.
And you know where this ended up. Yea, now he could threaten to beat your ass when things didn't go his way.
So yea, then he dashed in some intimidation into the mix.

But all in all, being used to living off of others people's energy is a sad way to go.
The music scene ended for him, his body broke down so no more cage fighting.
He started doing prescription pain killers a few years back, and this led to opiates, and now he is addicted to heroin.

I think that is why a lot of celebrities probably get addicted to drugs.
They are used to living off of so many people's energy that they don't know how to tap into their own.

[Carmen]

The energy of performance is interesting. Ive been an amateur singer all my life and the energy attention of a performance is satisfying. When I am singing at my best the audience is captured/engrossed in a bubble of experience. They are still and completely at one with the singer, the words, the music. I can understand performers becoming addicted to performing in order to receive that energy/attention.

Great orators command the same energy/attention.

[Rocky_Shorz]

I thought the Celestine Prophesies were incredible when I first read it, now with all of this going on to stumble across it on Time Warners Movies on Demand...

like you said nothing like the books, but what I was reading and watching years ago, we're doing now and have even gone further...

I agree with you Rocky. The CP's created an awareness that many used to break their energy stealing patterns/habits. I realized that being aloof was how I would get people to tune into me thereby sending me frequencies and then energy as they engaged with me. Often it was because I seemed mysterious and certain people would investigate. When I became aware of this pattern, generated from old emotional wounds from formative years, I changed it the best way a 6'3'' man can by being 'less' present in a room. I would turn down my own signal to attract as little attention as possible. I also dressed and wore my head and facial hair more like a muggle.

I have gone back to my natural appearance now because 'being myself' is necessary to living my truth. I do not want any energy but that from Source and other willing sources.

I think a lot of us have moved there, Fred S included. I still like to keep to myself but just because I enjoy my own company and vibration. There are still plenty out there looking for a free energy meal. lol

what is going on right now is a raising of energies, great for those who have learned meditation and understand their energies as they grow, but most of the world is clueless and still going through the same rise.

but instead of making it difficult, I'm trying to teach what the conscious mind understands...

for John and Carmen, your area is getting blasted with sun energy, imagine catching it and redirecting it into rains to grow the desert into forest and croplands...

you might think it sounds silly, but you are just telling your Spirit what you want, it does the rest, those connected to you, don't even realize what they are doing, but their spirit joins yours and it continues growing, and only the one who started it really knows what is happening.

a year from know when you look around you'll go wow, it all started with just a thought...

who says it needs to be harder?

[Rocky_Shorz]

some people ask why I wasn't worried about getting a patent on the little Prius invention...

take a look at this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?24992-Good-news-Bad-news-with-Ron-Paul&p=261444&viewfull=1#post261444)

followed by a 3.9(3x3) Mag earthquake, 100 miles from London, just as long as we've been under control of the fed 100 years... It followed a 7 in Japan...

now for someone not watching, it means nothing, but to the one delivering the messages, it means a lot.

now for those of you that looked back this far and said, ok it is in black and white, but why after the 7.3 in Japan instead of before...

well, take a look at this message (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10845-Avalon-The-gathering-of-33-Bloodlines...&p=258654&viewfull=1#post258654), which was followed by the 7.0

so many coincidences one after the other, sooner or later you realize it isn't...

[dddanieljjjamesss]

thank you
interrogator here
my mother was a guilt tripper
heh
time to fix all this mess

[Rocky_Shorz]

trying to fix all of it is a very big step, but if each of us change what is around us, it will happen as more and more join...

[Carmen]

Yes Rocky, I "see" the land, the hills and mountains around me covered in trees again. The MacKenzie Country near to here is trying its best to cover itself in trees in spite of what the "experts" do to keep it in grasslands and tussock!!

[Rocky_Shorz]

I stood in front of my house in Phoenix looking up at a charred hunk of stone, sprigs and twigs...

4 months later it looked like a mountain top in the Ozarks...


Ulli is getting blasted with energy now, she can just look out her window at the sea and imagine the gulf stream flowing normal... a straight line to Ireland...

[ulli]

I stood in front of my house in Phoenix looking up at a charred hunk of stone, sprigs and twigs...

4 months later it looked like a mountain top in the Ozarks...


Ulli is getting blasted with energy now, she can just look out her window at the sea and imagine the gulf stream flowing normal... a straight line to Ireland...

you're right about getting blasted with energy, except I'm high up in the green mountains, covered with coffee fields,
hours drive from the nearest seas, 2 1/2 hours from the Pacific and 2 hours from the Atlantic...

But if you like I will send the gulf stream straight to Europe...all the way to the Baltic sea...happy sailing...

and there I was, just a year ago, fearing that whole ocean was going to be full of black yucky oil...

just look how things can turn out to be ok.

[Rocky_Shorz]

it had to stay in the gulf until it finished breaking down, now go ahead and give it a push...

[Fred Steeves]

it had to stay in the gulf until it finished breaking down, now go ahead and give it a push...

Thank god for Corexit, from a former lifelong Gulf of Mexico fisherman...

Cheers,
Fred

[Rocky_Shorz]

oil has been flowing in the ocean since the beginning, it knows how to handle it...

Thunder is funny, trying to cool down his neighborhood, take a look at the jet stream loop (http://www.10news.com/wxmap/4290862/detail.html) and the little blue tail that appears reaching down for Tennessee...

he bounced a Tornado, cooling the neighborhood should be easy...

before air conditioning we used to do it ourselves... ;)

[Rocky_Shorz]

a former lifelong Gulf of Mexico fisherman...

Cheers,
Fred

you just showed me an important aspect of yourself, your knowledge of the sea...

Imagine standing on the shore, absorbing energy from the sun spreading it outward and cleansing all the seafood, imagine the large schools of fish, surround them in light for cleansing and to multiply.

Imagine ships rolling in busting at the seems with their haul...

create prosperity of the sea...

by the time you finish this post, your Spirit is already doing it...

this gives "mental note to self" a whole new meaning now doesn't it.

thinking is random, lock in a thought and make it happen...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Ulli, I found it, there are underwater turbines at the most important point of the flow, like electricity it is aiming for path of least resistance spreading the central flow so it no longer reaches the Baltic...

you need to push it extra hard to the point more is flowing than ever before to clear the turbines...

[Rocky_Shorz]

I thought the Celestine Prophesies were incredible when I first read it, now with all of this going on to stumble across it on Time Warners Movies on Demand...

like you said nothing like the books, but what I was reading and watching years ago, we're doing now and have even gone further...

I agree with you Rocky. The CP's created an awareness that many used to break their energy stealing patterns/habits. I realized that being aloof was how I would get people to tune into me thereby sending me frequencies and then energy as they engaged with me. Often it was because I seemed mysterious and certain people would investigate. When I became aware of this pattern, generated from old emotional wounds from formative years, I changed it the best way a 6'3'' man can by being 'less' present in a room. I would turn down my own signal to attract as little attention as possible. I also dressed and wore my head and facial hair more like a muggle.

I have gone back to my natural appearance now because 'being myself' is necessary to living my truth. I do not want any energy but that from Source and other willing sources.

I think a lot of us have moved there, Fred S included. I still like to keep to myself but just because I enjoy my own company and vibration. There are still plenty out there looking for a free energy meal. lol

now you my old friend were part of a special moment, when you gathered us to help your sister...

when 3 gather in knowing, miracles happen, you and your brother knew she was going to be fine, when all of us joined you in knowing the miracle happened.

that was you, not any of us that created the miracle...

[thunder24]

oil has been flowing in the ocean since the beginning, it knows how to handle it...

Thunder is funny, trying to cool down his neighborhood, take a look at the jet stream loop (http://www.10news.com/wxmap/4290862/detail.html) and the little blue tail that appears reaching down for Tennessee...

he bounced a Tornado, cooling the neighborhood should be easy...

before air conditioning we used to do it ourselves... ;)

Dang,

one week its in the 90's, this weekend I saw 59 degrees. {note to self: watch how far you turn the knob on the thermostat next time}

peace

[Carmen]

Right, back to control dramas. This is a great thread because the description of these dramas to obtain energy are great learning tools to advance our evolution. I dont consider anything different in evolving generally to evolving spiritually. To me its all spiritual, whether we realize it or not.

Recognising other people's control dramas is dead easy. We can quickly become quite an expert on everyone elses control drama and can point it out to people with gay abandon!! Its the fessing up to our own control drama is whats difficult and anyone pointing out our control dramas realllly pisses us off!! This requires introspection on our part. Sincere and soul searching introspection. Introspection is such a necessary action to really find out about ourselves. To go to the 'inner' or ourselves to find answers. If searching for your own controls drama is your first move to introspection, its a good one.

The control dramas to me are a kind of dance. One plays the lead sometimes and other times follows. For instance sometimes one plays the victum role and other times the tyrant. But one is dependant on the other. This is how it was with my husband and I. We would have monument arguments then go off to bed and make love and all was hunky dory!!! Neither of us were the sulky types. Well, I remember clearly the day I decided to stop playing the game, the dance, and change!

He was angry with me about something and I stood facing him with no reaction. Inside I went to my heart and sent him Love. He'd lost his partner in crimeLOL!!! Took me a long time to be consistant with the non-reaction, but each time became easier. He was quite bereft really, he'd lost his wild passionate scorpio woman whom he could always count on to react!!

The action of Non-action is that it neutralizes the energy, the waters smooth out. The angry one cannot then keep up the momentum and it disapates.

[Sierra]

I grew up an aloof. I don't feel aloof, never felt aloof on the inside, but that is what I looked like and acted like for two reasons:

1) Deafness. Shirley I don't need to explain how that would cause aloofness lol.
2) My mother was a triple Scorpio (sun, moon and rising) with all that is implied in that statement. She was as hyper and critical an interrogator as any I've ever met.

My husband is also of that pattern, but lately and I am so amazed ... lately when he does his thing I am either soothing or acerbic rather than withdrawing. I don't get it. Grateful but why the change after 22 years of marriage? Did I finally get it <falling over laughing>. My poor hunny bunny, here I've been doing the wrong thing for so long ... well he is an extremely forgiving fellow and he loves me.

I think that is why I like being on a forum so much. The deafness issue is n/a and it is very liberating.

I just remembered something. I've been practicing "detach and observe". That means withdraw and disconnect all the fronds/links/suckers/connections/web you may have with someone while a charged event is happening and observe (both the event and yourself). Maybe that is what is allowing me to not react by aloofness lately ...

Lol, at first, it is very irritating to observe when you want to get into it instead! I had go away at first and gnash my teeth and then come back. Then I could sit next to him seething... then I could sit next to him and imagine stuffing the basket of a balloon with my irritation to release and float away (sometimes I'd stuff him in it) ... then I started to get the giggles, and to know this feeling of irritation was fleeting and all I had to do was wait. It is still an ongoing process. Because I am changing the paradigm, the interrogation is getting fierce. But I see light at the end of the tunnel lol!

Grateful Sierra
P.S. Putting Celestine Prophecies on my reading list ...

[Carmen]

Yes Sierra, at first it seems like pushing an egg up hill with your nose!!LOL As though you are getting nowhere, but it gets easier and obviously your intention, your practice of "detach and observe is working. Great. I must say I didnt think that Redfield was that great at writing. The information is excellent, but I didnt enjoy his style of writing. Still worth getting the books though, the information is priceless.

[ulli]

What prepared me for the Celestine Prophecies was reading the unreadable Gurdjieff books All and Everything...it was made clear that by struggling with the imperfect outer style in order to penetrate to the inner essence of the message was part of the challenge.
The same is true for a lot of ancient scripture...much of it is hard to read.

Redfield's style was easy to read, but annoying in it's lack of sophistication.
Many people expected something better... therefore never quite made it to the core of the message.

[Carmen]

I agree ulli, one had to ignore the quality of writing and just get the message. I also read esoteric books in the beginning of my journey and really could not make head nor tale of them. Most frustrating. But gradually understanding dawned and I understood at a certain level. Its quite handy really. As your consciousness expands the books are new all over again!! Saves buying new books!!

[DNA]

Right, back to control dramas. This is a great thread because the description of these dramas to obtain energy are great learning tools to advance our evolution. I dont consider anything different in evolving generally to evolving spiritually. To me its all spiritual, whether we realize it or not.

Recognising other people's control dramas is dead easy. We can quickly become quite an expert on everyone elses control drama and can point it out to people with gay abandon!! Its the fessing up to our own control drama is whats difficult and anyone pointing out our control dramas realllly pisses us off!! This requires introspection on our part. Sincere and soul searching introspection. Introspection is such a necessary action to really find out about ourselves. To go to the 'inner' or ourselves to find answers. If searching for your own controls drama is your first move to introspection, its a good one.


I agree 100%. Introspection is an absolute necessity.
And getting a handle on your own control dramas is key.

I for one am no where near close to getting RID of my control dramas.
I have aquired an awareness of them, and I have cooled the drive of their will to rule me, but I would be absolutely lying if I said I don't occasionally get hooked by some one else using a control drama on me.

I am at the point where I rarelly ever lead my human interactions with control dramas, but, I do occasionally react with one if some one else leads with a control drama.
In this instance I use my control drama in a weird way.
Most interogators ask questions to glean information they can use to then critique and criticize the person they wish to steal energy from.
I on the other hand have taken years and years to know myself, and being as we really are all built pretty much the same way, I can use my knowledge of myself and an acute sense of empathy to just call things like I see them.

The NORSE gods had an energy they called thorn, which was later shortened to thor, this energy in it's primal essence is called the awakener of the sleeper.
I being a scorpio feel at times when I go ahead and call things like I see them, I am manifesting this thorn energy, pricking the sleeper so to speak.
Folks who indulge in their dramas to the point of complete abandonement seem to me to need to know what the hell they are doing on occasion. :)

I also know that this is me relapsing into my interogator drama type.
Here is the rub. I don't think we are ever going to get rid of our drama types completly. I think they are the hammer blows of incarnation. The lessons as we traverse our blacksmithing from the red hot fire and anvil back into the water again.

Should we attempt to completely overcome our drama types?
Or do we temper them, and attempt to funnel that energy as positively as possible?



The control dramas to me are a kind of dance. One plays the lead sometimes and other times follows. For instance sometimes one plays the victum role and other times the tyrant. But one is dependant on the other. This is how it was with my husband and I. We would have monument arguments then go off to bed and make love and all was hunky dory!!! Neither of us were the sulky types. Well, I remember clearly the day I decided to stop playing the game, the dance, and change!

He was angry with me about something and I stood facing him with no reaction. Inside I went to my heart and sent him Love. He'd lost his partner in crimeLOL!!! Took me a long time to be consistant with the non-reaction, but each time became easier. He was quite bereft really, he'd lost his wild passionate scorpio woman whom he could always count on to react!!
The action of Non-action is that it neutralizes the energy, the waters smooth out. The angry one cannot then keep up the momentum and it disapates.

My hat is off to you. It's tough learning this stuff and stopping it mid-cycle in a relationship like that. :)

My hat is also off to your husband.
Many folks become unhappy when their role is reduced and their lines changed mid play. :)

I"m guessing you brought him up to speed on the drama types?

[Carmen]

Yes, DNA, thanks for your reply, it is hard learning but it is really really worth it. I wrote in one of my earlier posts that I'd been through all the control dramas and I was not being flippant when I wrote that. After ceasing one set of dramas, the next lot automatically took their place. My husband became the tyrant/interrogator and I became aloof. What I was learning and applying in my spiritual growth was too special and private to be stomped all over by a know-it-tyrant interrogator. So I went inward, while he ranted and raved and critisized on the outside.

Dont be put off by my judgements of my husband. He was just perfect for me. He was my greatest teacher and I love him dearly. Ill always be grateful to him for the lessons learned. I was a strong minded stubborn emotional angry person. Anyone weak I would have stomped all over and learned nothing.

Anyway, from that point on and for quite some time I took the critizism mainly without reaction. In some ways I saw it as my karma, in that I wouldnt have been getting anything I didnt deserve. After some time I reached another milestone. I realized one day that I could put up my shields, spin my bands, and not be on the recieving end of negative angry thoughts. I read about masters doing this in the books 'Masters of the Far East" also other spiritual books, where when ones energy field became strong, the negative thoughts flung at one would just bounce off the person who refused to take them in any more and they would go straight back to the sender, squared (fourfold). This particular day I faced up to my husband and said to him that he could not touch/affect me anymore with his critical angry thoughts. That they would bounce straight back to him if he persisted. Off he went to work in the morning, then dragged himself home exhausted that night. His thoughts had definitely come straight back to him and he knew it. That was a really empowering moment for me and a learning for him.

We dont live together anymore as our paths are quite different, but we are still married and are friends. We were together nearly forty years so we never really gave up on one another, our paths just stopped being parallel.

[DNA]

Yes, DNA, thanks for your reply, it is hard learning but it is really really worth it. I wrote in one of my earlier posts that I'd been through all the control dramas and I was not being flippant when I wrote that. After ceasing one set of dramas, the next lot automatically took their place. My husband became the tyrant/interrogator and I became aloof. What I was learning and applying in my spiritual growth was too special and private to be stomped all over by a know-it-tyrant interrogator. So I went inward, while he ranted and raved and critisized on the outside.

Dont be put off by my judgements of my husband. He was just perfect for me. He was my greatest teacher and I love him dearly. Ill always be grateful to him for the lessons learned. I was a strong minded stubborn emotional angry person. Anyone weak I would have stomped all over and learned nothing.

Anyway, from that point on and for quite some time I took the critizism mainly without reaction. In some ways I saw it as my karma, in that I wouldnt have been getting anything I didnt deserve. After some time I reached another milestone. I realized one day that I could put up my shields, spin my bands, and not be on the recieving end of negative angry thoughts. I read about masters doing this in the books 'Masters of the Far East" also other spiritual books, where when ones energy field became strong, the negative thoughts flung at one would just bounce off the person who refused to take them in any more and they would go straight back to the sender, squared (fourfold). This particular day I faced up to my husband and said to him that he could not touch/affect me anymore with his critical angry thoughts. That they would bounce straight back to him if he persisted. Off he went to work in the morning, then dragged himself home exhausted that night. His thoughts had definitely come straight back to him and he knew it. That was a really empowering moment for me and a learning for him.

We dont live together anymore as our paths are quite different, but we are still married and are friends. We were together nearly forty years so we never really gave up on one another, our paths just stopped being parallel.

Wow, that is an amazing story. Thank you Carmen.
I found it compelling that you used the phrase
tyrant/interrogator
The Carlos Castaneda books talk about being in great luck if your life was lorded over by what they called a Petty Tyrant.
The CC books stated that learning to remain unhinged and wish the tyrant well was instrumental in devoloping one's self to the fullest potential. It sounds like you have done just that. :)
Thank you for sharing this wonderfull illustration Carmen. :)

I think it is important to note that folks who use a drama type insessantly are using that drama type on themselves internally.
The internal dialogue we all ingage in is what I'm referring to here.
So in the case of your husband you just mentioned Carmen, if he were being hyper critical towards you all the time, he himself would be suffering the sting of that hypercritisism in the form of his own internal dialogue.

This is why it is important for us to try and forgive those who are attempting to steal our energy.
Even though this attack should be stopped if possible and energy loss prevented if possible, there is no need to wish bad on the person perpetuating the drama.
They are their own worst enemies in this case.

[Fred Steeves]

Don Juan's story and lesson on petty tyrants was one of the core things I took away from Castenada's books. No shortage of them to learn from out there.

Cheers,
Fred

[thunder24]

I can see all four drama's within my self. The most pronounced would be INTERROGATOR and aloof. The Aloofness comes though from either not wanting to be bothered or thinking and waying things within my mind. The aloofness in me is more promenent when I don't wanna be bothered thus not wanting anyones energy. Other times the aloofness comes from the poor me inside, and I withdraw from all yet seeking for the attention.

I'm also a cancer, so I'm moody. I think this plays a part also in the switching of dramas within my own self.

peace

[PurpleLama]

Rocky, DNA, anyone else familiar with the principles of the Celestine Prophecy,

are any of you familiar with the books Search for God 1 and 2?

it's a "christian" study guide that was put together by querying the Edgar Cayce source for a clear path to the higher spiritual states. In my estimation it would be seen as a building upon the concepts put forth by Redfield, only fifty or more years earlier. Rocky, you especially would get a kick out of it, if you're not already familiar....

Books 1 and 2 are available in one volume on amazon, and I guarantee it would be worth the expense to have it.

Search for god 1 and 2?
I have never heard of them.
I'm very inerested in the Cayce material. The Cayce material and the Urantia book both hint at the same type of cosmology going on. With spiritual administrators of the galaxy and universe.
These same archangel figures mentioned by Cayce are mentioned in the Urantia book.
Feel free to expand on these topics if you like PurpleLama. :)

This is how it starts, Introduction:

"This book changes lives.

Since 1931, individuals have been meeting to discuss, debate, and apply the material contained in this volume. Since that time literally thousands of groups (and tens of thousands of individuals) have found answers to questions that they sometimes could not even formulate.

A Search for God, Books 1 and 2, were written to be helpful to individuals from all walks of life and all religious backgrounds. Whether a person comes from a Christian, Jewish, agnostic, or Eastern background, these books could reach out with the hope that true spirituality supercedes religious denomination. Admittedly, the group members responsible for this material presented their understanding of universal laws in what may appear to be decidedly 'Christian' terminology. Their primary intent, however, was to explore the oneness of all life and the truths found in the wisdom if the world's religions. The lessons making up this material led the original group through a study of meditation, psychic ability, reincarnation, and universal laws-- information that somehow bridged religious differences and found a common spirituality for all souls who are children of the same God. There are no claims to any unique revelations; in fact, a portion of the Preface states: 'There is nothing new here. The search for God is as old as humanity.' "


So, there you have the first few paragraphs of the introduction. How is that for a teaser? Each book contains 12 'lessons.' However, immediately after the preface is a chapter on meditation, before the actual lessons begin. Very, very cool, in my estimation.

[Curt]

ascension often sounds suspiciously similar to rapture, does it not?:confused:

[Rocky_Shorz]

Ulli, I found it, there are underwater turbines at the most important point of the flow, like electricity it is aiming for path of least resistance spreading the central flow so it no longer reaches the Baltic...

you need to push it extra hard to the point more is flowing than ever before to clear the turbines...

took a closer look at what they are using and it is perfect, they can be modified from Elecricity Generators into tidal Turbines...

they can set them up like a Prius to power when they are needed and glide collecting energy when they aren't.

Greenpeace, tap Obama on the shoulder on this one, climate is national security so he can send out the seals to have it in place by winter

[Rocky_Shorz]

This is why it is important for us to try and forgive those who are attempting to steal our energy.


the control drama is over when you realize they can't... that's when the laughter begins...

takes two to tango...

[Rocky_Shorz]

now remember for those who have been married for so many years what first brought you two together in the first place, it was your passion.

you need to remember your female energy...

when you smile, it will shock him into listening when you whisper something special and reach for his hand...

instantly disarmed and his body is busy rearranging energy...

catch me if you can and run upstairs.

by the time he gets there he is exhausted and will most likely drop down beside you laughing...

[Rocky_Shorz]

when I say change of energy, imagine instantly from going you aren't good enough to am I good enough? in a thought...

that angry energy is gone instantly, fear knocked that puppy right out of the park, only love remains...

[Rocky_Shorz]

from the beginning of time fear raised our senses, the excitement of chasing down the prey...

so what happens when you are excited through fear, but with the one you love?

the binding of two souls...

[ulli]

when I say change of energy, imagine instantly from going you aren't good enough to am I good enough? in a thought...

that angry energy is gone instantly, fear knocked that puppy right out of the park, only love remains...

Very Good, Rocky.
That reminded me of Ken Kesey Jr., who spoke in one of his books of what he called "the consciousness doubler":
You double your level of consciousness the instance you imagine yourself in the other person's place...

[Rocky_Shorz]

that sounds confusing... just understanding energies between a couple and knowing when to use yours is the secret...


so looking into different turbine solutions to help drive currents, this one is interesting and could be inserted anywhere

http://wdstudio.net/gulfstreamturbine/gst_files/image002.gif

It is showing what it looks like creating energy, but turn the energy flow around and you have a water mover...

[Rocky_Shorz]

ascension often sounds suspiciously similar to rapture, does it not?:confused:

one misunderstanding that New Age has created is considering yourself as Higher, imagine the Gurus that have sat there for years waiting for their spirit to give them knowledge...

but learn nothing...

your Self is actually more lower and is there to do your bidding, not to lead you...

just by thinking of a Higher Self makes people afraid of themselves if that makes sense, but knowing you can tell your Spirit to go gather others and help fix the world, is what they are there for...

[Rocky_Shorz]

now that last turbine would be great as a stand alone anywhere, attached to an iceberg to drive the cold water currents past the blockage...

it is easy to imagine how individually they can make a difference, but image the combined intent of many working together...

http://ocsenergy.anl.gov/images/photos/currentturbine.jpg

the 11th insight... ;)