James Horak | Human Origins, EMVs and E.T.-Life, July 7, 2011

[Helvetic]

Now folks this is another interesting and important interview, highly recommended.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T9t1FxK0Gs

The true human heritage and history is revealed for the first time by James Horak. Six extinctions have already resulted from our mental and moral decline. Only once has a culture survived and they are still on Earth hidden in Antarctica. Humanities present path is heading for the seventh and last extinction if we can not turn around. Los Alamos, Nebraska, Fukushima - the depopulation of this planet by our narcissistic elite has begun.

[Omni]

I've heard some bad things about Horak. Such as he thinks he's Jesus Christ or a Mexican sun god. Or that he thinks he has the power to order EMV's to destroy earth. Or that he sells dirt that he claims is special(maybe it is).

I don't know how true they are so I don't just believe them. And such things do not debunk all his information at all even if true. Pretty much all people who have extensive information of value are discredited, so it may even speak more towards some of his info being valuable TBH. So I take such claims with a grain of salt and give the benefit of the doubt. I have not researched these claims. But a Horak supporter didn't challenge them when they were posted on Nexus, so that gave them a bit more credence to me.

I don't like posting this but I feel it should be posted as Horak likely doesn't have a true picture of reality in some areas if they are true(mainly with EMVs if I had to guess).

If anyone has investigated Horak in depth and knows if these claims are true or not I'd love to hear from you. If they are true I can be almost certain he is dealing with the same forces I am on the negative side(and thats not a good thing, it's a sign of illusions although they can be overcome but not so much if the subject is unaware of the connection to them...).

I know my intuition always told me that Horak is deceived into thinking what he does about EMV's. But it could be mind control in me.... I'm not presenting this as fact at all. Just feel it may be of value in discerning the truth to this situation, and hope someone who has reviewed all of Horak's claims to confirm or deny what someone said on Nexus.

[Lily de Cuir]

Hello Helvetic and Everyone,

I would be most interested to listen to this - any chance anyone can direct me to where I can download a mp3?

Kind regards,
Lily

[Helvetic]

Hello Helvetic and Everyone,

I would be most interested to listen to this - any chance anyone can direct me to where I can download a mp3?

Kind regards,
Lily

Lily, here (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/ohioexopolitics/2011/07/07/james-horak-human-origins-emvs-in-our-solar-system-et-life.mp3) you can download the unedited mp3.

[Helvetic]

I don't like posting this but I feel it should be posted as Horak likely doesn't have a true picture of reality in some areas if they are true(mainly with EMVs if I had to guess).


I am not wondering about your comment. We know your agenda, thank you.

[OmetaOne]

I've heard some bad things about Horak. Such as he thinks he's Jesus Christ or a Mexican sun god. Or that he thinks he has the power to order EMV's to destroy earth. Or that he sells dirt that he claims is special(maybe it is).

What you heard is wrong, why don't you just research listen and make up your own mind instead of repeating Icecold's BS verbatim?


I don't know how true they are so I don't just believe them. And such things do not debunk all his information at all even if true. Pretty much all people who have extensive information of value are discredited,

exactly


so it may even speak more towards some of his info being valuable TBH. So I take such claims with a grain of salt and give the benefit of the doubt. I have not researched these claims.

then just don't reiterate them over and over again and a grain of salt is always a good idea


But a Horak supporter didn't challenge them when they were posted on Nexus, so that gave them a bit more credence to me.

I don't like posting this but I feel it should be posted as Horak likely doesn't have a true picture of reality in some areas if they are true(mainly with EMVs if I had to guess).

There is no one else, who else have you heard talking about the EMVs? And they are there, for the whole world to see, period.


If anyone has investigated Horak in depth and knows if these claims are true or not I'd love to hear from you. If they are true I can be almost certain he is dealing with the same forces I am on the negative side(and thats not a good thing, it's a sign of illusions although they can be overcome but not so much if the subject is unaware of the connection to them...).

I did and he is not dealing with some invisible forces, its the NWO and our stupidity!


I know my intuition always told me that Horak is deceived into thinking what he does about EMV's. But it could be mind control in me.... I'm not presenting this as fact at all. Just feel it may be of value in discerning the truth to this situation, and hope someone who has reviewed all of Horak's claims to confirm or deny what someone said on Nexus.

I did so, talking to James, recording audio for the interviews, editing video, posting on blogs - how about this one of me, Reality Redefined: emvsinfo.blogspot.com/2010/10/reality-redefined.html (http://emvsinfo.blogspot.com/2010/10/reality-redefined.html)

[DoubleHelix]

Terrific interview, James Horak has got to be one of my favourite people to listen to.. he brings so much food for thought to the table and his information really is unparalleled!

Thanks for the heads up Helvetic !

And a big thanks to OmetaOne for all his great work !

[ThePythonicCow]

I don't like posting this but I feel it should be posted as Horak likely doesn't have a true picture of reality in some areas if they are true(mainly with EMVs if I had to guess).


I am not wondering about your comment. We know your agenda, thank you.



I've heard some bad things about Horak. Such as he thinks he's Jesus Christ or a Mexican sun god. Or that he thinks he has the power to order EMV's to destroy earth. Or that he sells dirt that he claims is special(maybe it is).

What you heard is wrong, why don't you just research listen and make up your own mind instead of repeating Icecold's BS verbatim?
Referring to someone's views as an agenda, or as verbatim repetitions of yet someone else's BS, is personalizing the disagreement more than necessary, in my view.

Let us respect the views of other members, and their motives for holding those views, even if we firmly disagree with some of the substance of their postings.

Thanks.

[modwiz]

Referring to someone's views as an agenda, or as verbatim repetitions of yet someone else's BS, is personalizing the disagreement more than necessary, in my view.

Let us respect the views of other members, and their motives for holding those views, even if we firmly disagree with some of the substance of their postings.

Thanks.
You put that very eloquently Paul. I like the sentiment of your statements. But........

I know you must still be miffed at James for a few things he had to say in your direction. I do not chuckle at you being targeted but I do at knowing that anything Horak must make a few hairs bristle on your bovine skin.

BTW. I have been a fan of your modding style of late. I hope that is not a kiss of death for you. lol.

[Omni]

I am not wondering about your comment. We know your agenda, thank you.

What agenda is that? You are delusional if you think I have a malicious agenda at all. And speak for yourself. You are in no position to speak for everyone else. I value the truth enough to question any source if I see evidence of falsity. Your accusations are misplaced. If my agenda was to discredit why would I mention things like this:

"Pretty much all people who have extensive information of value are discredited, so it may even speak more towards some of his info being valuable TBH. So I take such claims with a grain of salt and give the benefit of the doubt."

I simply presented what I had heard and asked if anyone could confirm/deny it. What's so bad about that? Should we not question material we are subjected to at all?



What you heard is wrong, why don't you just research listen and make up your own mind instead of repeating Icecold's BS verbatim?

I figured posting it for anyone to clarify would get me the answers hours of research would. I didn't present them as fact.


then just don't reiterate them over and over again and a grain of salt is always a good idea

I posted it once. More false accusations about me just because I question what information I see. It's a shame when someone can't pose questions, or post something they saw may pose question to the validity of said information without being attacked.


There is no one else, who else have you heard talking about the EMVs? And they are there, for the whole world to see, period.

Plenty of sources use external forces that can be verified, and present false information about them. For example Lord Rael taking credit for natural disasters happening, or the GFoL taking credit for UFO sightings and saying it was them(whether it was or not, I tend to think not). Them being there doesn't validate the rest of the info about them. If Horak did say they would destroy Earth on his command if he wanted them to, that pretty much confirms to me he's FOS about them. I think it's a valid thing to post if one hears such. I simply asked for them to be confirmed or denied. What's so wrong with that?



If anyone has investigated Horak in depth and knows if these claims are true or not I'd love to hear from you. If they are true I can be almost certain he is dealing with the same forces I am on the negative side(and thats not a good thing, it's a sign of illusions although they can be overcome but not so much if the subject is unaware of the connection to them...).

I did and he is not dealing with some invisible forces, its the NWO and our stupidity!

Does he not speak telepathically to some source(s)? That is an invisible force is it not?



I know my intuition always told me that Horak is deceived into thinking what he does about EMV's. But it could be mind control in me.... I'm not presenting this as fact at all. Just feel it may be of value in discerning the truth to this situation, and hope someone who has reviewed all of Horak's claims to confirm or deny what someone said on Nexus.

I did so, talking to James, recording audio for the interviews, editing video, posting on blogs - how about this one of me, Reality Redefined: emvsinfo.blogspot.com/2010/10/reality-redefined.html (http://emvsinfo.blogspot.com/2010/10/reality-redefined.html)

I will research this further. I guess presenting what I've heard and asking what others know about it is offensive to some. I presented it not as fact, and also softened any neg thoughts with truths about pretty much everyone being discredited, and the presented things may even speak that his info is more valid... Apparently balanced discussion about legitimacy of claims you believe in pisses you off enough to slander my own character...



Referring to someone's views as an agenda, or as verbatim repetitions of yet someone else's BS, is personalizing the disagreement more than necessary, in my view.

Let us respect the views of other members, and their motives for holding those views, even if we firmly disagree with some of the substance of their postings.

Thanks.

They aren't even my views other than intuitively thinking he has some false information. Which I didn't present as fact. Thanks for the class, Paui. I thought that posters accusations were in poor taste.

[ThePythonicCow]

You put that very eloquently Paul. I like the sentiment of your statements. But........

I know you must still be miffed at James for a few things he had to say in your direction. I do not chuckle at you being targeted but I do at knowing that anything Horak must make a few hairs bristle on your bovine skin.

BTW. I have been a fan of your modding style of late. I hope that is not a kiss of death for you. lol.

Thanks for the kind words, modwiz. I see no danger of any kiss of death ... Admins and Mods on this forum are given a freer hand than some of our detractors allege. In other words, I can't blame Bill for my mistakes ;).

I was never much miffed at James C. Horak one way or the other. The matters he speaks of, such as EMV's, do not spark my personal interest strongly either way (agreeing or disagreeing), and his upset at the ruckus that occurred on his threads was well enough justified.

Now that we have a stronger Moderation team than we did in early March 2011 (just after most of the previous team departed), I trust that the Mod team can better assist in conducting a sensible discussion, focusing on the topic at hand rather than maligning the motives of other posters.

[Davidallany]

Is that why Mr. Adolf Hitler compared being evolved and smart with being blond and blue eyed? because of these blonds?

[OmetaOne]

Is that why Mr. Adolf Hitler compared being evolved and smart with being blond and blue eyed? because of these blonds?

who knows, it's possible, they are good looking but the Blondes are nice people not responsible for distorted views of them.

[Davidallany]

who knows, it's possible, they are good looking but the Blondes are nice people not responsible for distorted views of them.
Mr. George Kavassilas said that these blonds are pretenders, he went further to advice against believing them.

[Omni]

Well upon researching myself as I was asked to, I found more info on Horak that seems suspicious upon searching for only 3 mins(and not people accused of being agents such as Icecold). I also emailed Icecold to show me the proof of his claims.

Although I'm not sure I want to post what I found because I will be attacked and accused of an agenda(even if I present it with a balanced viewpoint of seeing both sides and giving the benefit of the doubt)... My only motive in posting would be a clearer picture. Pretty sad if you ask me...

I'm not interested in spurring any irrational paranoia about my agenda, or being attacked by sycophants here fabricating things about me. I don't feel it's important enough to open myself up to such negativity and judgmental views upon myself...

If I do find that what icecold said was true, I'll post it though.

[OmetaOne]

But it could be mind control in me....

Do you think that is a distinct possibility? And what do you think it does to you? Posting the way you do? You don't begin a post with "I have heard this guy is this or that...", meaning a fraud basically. That's not a question in my understanding. What if I said: "I heard that Omniverse is this and that ..." Is that fair or what? As the question, so the answer. Please start thinking before you post. We have met before and were not amused by your 'style', so I am a bit miffed... sorry

[OmetaOne]

who knows, it's possible, they are good looking but the Blondes are nice people not responsible for distorted views of them.
Mr. George Kavassilas said that these blonds are pretenders, he went further to advice against believing them.

I don't think Mr. Kavassilas has ever met them or knows much about them so that's just his opinion. They are disabling nukes all the time and I like that.

[ThePythonicCow]

And what do you think it does to you? Posting the way you do? ... We have met before and were not amused by your 'style', so I am a bit miffed... sorry

Omniverse -- apparently you did not even need to post your findings to get attacked again for your style of posting.

OmetaOne -- you are not the only one who is not amused.

There is a good chance that I will do everyone else on this thread a small favor, and remove my post, and the post of OmetaOne to which I am responding, in the near future.

I will gladly make space for evidence both supporting and dissenting regarding the topic of this thread.

But (with the possible exception of flattering the Mod Team :P) I am reluctant to give unfettered space to off topic posts (such as bickering over posting style and motive.)

[Davidallany]

I don't think Mr. Kavassilas has ever met them or knows much about them so that's just his opinion. They are disabling nukes all the time and I like that.
He said that he had met them on many occasions, allegedly they call themselves the federation of light, basically what he says is that they are pretending to be the original Nordics, but in fact they are reptilians. So it appears that there are two Nordics the ones that you say disable nukes and the pretenders.

[Omni]

But it could be mind control in me....

Do you think that is a distinct possibility?
You are judging my posting behavior, yet don't know the answer to that question? I've posted my situation in short form like a hundred or more times. Yet you have the audacity to question my entire posting style because I question a source you happen to hold dear one time?

I've posted maybe 5-7 occurances ever questioning the legitimacy in any way material that is presented. And I almost always leave it open ended, say so respectfully, point out that almost all legitimate sources are discredited, and mainly just posing the questions or opinions I have. Such as my skeptical viewpoint towards Inelia's claim that we create the entire timeline for planet earth individually for ourselves.


And what do you think it does to you?
Complex answer here.


Posting the way you do?
You have clearly showed you have barely read my posts. So once again you are wrongly accusing me of things. You have no intellectual integrity accusing me of every post of mine having a style, when you have not read many of my posts.


You don't begin a post with "I have heard this guy is this or that...", meaning a fraud basically. That's not a question in my understanding.
You are ignoring the full context of my post in saying that. If you actually read my post I didn't say Horak is a fraud, I even pointed to the opposite with part of the post(which you conveniently ignore). Just wanting clarification on what I've seen posted about him.

If you are accusing me of saying he's a fraud you blatantly misinterpret my post, just as you misrepresent my posting style based on likely 2 encounters. I think it's pretty obvious what I said and didn't say. You keep putting words in my mouth and putting me down as if me questioning Horak's material is offensive to you... And you accuse me of not thinking :facepalm:

Do you really believe Horak caused Roswell as he claims to have? Are you really accusing me of wrongdoing for questioning information, and asking if what I heard is true or not? I guess what you want is for nobody to question information you believe. You are full of judgment upon me for simply posting something you don't agree with...


What if I said: "I heard that Omniverse is this and that ..." Is that fair or what?
If you posted it in the way I did, yes that if perfectly fair unless only people who hate me respond and confirm fallacious claims. I'd have no problem clearing up any bull**** you might think you believe about me. You also went one step further. Claiming I was posting this about Horak over and over and over when I had posted it once very open endedly, asking for clarity on the matter and in a very respectful way, and also balanced. You are already judging my posting style, for like maybe 2-7 posts out of many hundreds.


As the question, so the answer. Please start thinking before you post. We have met before and were not amused by your 'style', so I am a bit miffed... sorry

As if questioning information isn't thinking. Give me a break. What other time have we met? In a galactic federation of light thread or something?

[OmetaOne]

He said that he had met them on many occasions, allegedly they call themselves the federation of light, basically what he says is that they are pretending to be the original Nordics, but in fact they are reptilians. So it appears that there are two Nordics the ones that you say disable nukes and the pretenders.

they don't call themselves the federation of light, that's new age terminology. What you hear about Reptilians is also made up, they are made the scapegoats. Our elite are pretenders, twisting the scriptures, everything. There is no animosity out here, otherwise it would have been over a long time ago, they could destroy planets in an instant but they don't because they have unified consciousness and rid themselves of all aberrances. It can't be any other way.

[Omni]

He said that he had met them on many occasions, allegedly they call themselves the federation of light, basically what he says is that they are pretending to be the original Nordics, but in fact they are reptilians. So it appears that there are two Nordics the ones that you say disable nukes and the pretenders.

they don't call themselves the federation of light, that's new age terminology. What you hear about Reptilians is also made up, they are made the scapegoats. Our elite are pretenders, twisting the scriptures, everything. There is no animosity out here, otherwise it would have been over a long time ago, they could destroy planets in an instant but they don't because they have unified consciousness and rid themselves of all aberrances. It can't be any other way.

You think ET races could destroy whole planets without opposition to that? The argument all ETs are good because they have't destroyed us is very flawed. Fitting you think your view is 'the only way'...

[Davidallany]

they don't call themselves the federation of light, that's new age terminology. What you hear about Reptilians is also made up, they are made the scapegoats. Our elite are pretenders, twisting the scriptures, everything. There is no animosity out here, otherwise it would have been over a long time ago, they could destroy planets in an instant but they don't because they have unified consciousness and rid themselves of all aberrances. It can't be any other way.
That's not what Mr. George Kavassilas's says in his and David Icke new lectures. Nevertheless I understand what you are saying and thank you for the information, OmetaOne.
Cheers :)

[Davidallany]

Hi Omniverse can I get your take on this, I always value your comments.

[The One]

Can everyone just say GOOSE FRA BA three times GOOSE FRA BA, GOOSE FRA BA, GOOSE FRA BA, there you go don’t you all feel much better.

Remember if there's a storm brewing let it past and let the light shine

Love to you all

From the truth seeker

The One xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[Omni]

Hi Omniverse can I get your take on this, I always value your comments.

Thanks David.

I personally find the claim they would destroy us if they were malicious very naive and a dangerous assumption. I find it much more likely they would manipulate and experiment on us. They would likely use us for whatever they wanted, whatever field they need research in, not just kill us... I find it very possible deals with our malicious world powers have taken place between them and ETs.

What people forget to consider when saying they would destroy us if they were malicious, is other ETs that would react to that event... Exo-politics. Such an assumption is a blind assumption implying that all ET races do whatever they want IMO.

I do not discount the idea that reptilians are scapegoats, I have seen evidence of this myself in my own situation. I also do not discount the idea that races who evolved eating other animals alive(like raptors), would not evolve to be enlightened and compassionate(at least for a while). I think planet earth might be a microcosm for ET races. Very diverse. Full of diversity, and beauty as well as darkness. I feel balance is a big theme in the universe in 3d.

I do find the idea of most races eventually evolving into being enlightened attractive and even a bit resonating. But I see no signs of the elite bloodlines evolving into benevolence... I think it very well may be the natural path of evolution though. But genetics are open source. Races may damage their path of light, and alter their DNA to not become what they grew to hate(the peaceful ones subverting their agenda, if that exists.)

What ometaone says might be right. But I find it not right to think it's the only way the universe could be personally.

[OmetaOne]

they don't call themselves the federation of light, that's new age terminology. What you hear about Reptilians is also made up, they are made the scapegoats. Our elite are pretenders, twisting the scriptures, everything. There is no animosity out here, otherwise it would have been over a long time ago, they could destroy planets in an instant but they don't because they have unified consciousness and rid themselves of all aberrances. It can't be any other way.
That's not what Mr. George Kavassilas's says in his and David Icke new lectures. Nevertheless I understand what you are saying and thank you for the information, OmetaOne.
Cheers :)

Think about it, if there would be hostility and wars the universe would be full of armies, defence-lines to be built around whole solar systems, mines, border patrols, control posts all what we have here but on a vastly larger scale. Do you want to live in a universe like that, full of life with nothing more occupied than basic survival and one empire eating up another? I don't, this is what they brainwash us with on telly. Then all this ascension beliefs are even more absurd, where to ascend to? To another hell? Nope, there are EMVs and they take care of a lot of things, they are above all ET and ET can't even approach them. And this is important: if you don't know that there is always something above you, call it God, call it Creator, Lifeforce, Sophia, only then a society or parts of it can aspire to something devolutionary like the New World Order. But there is and it will not allow to become like we think it is - an ugly place. We only need to fear our own agenda-driven leadership.

[Davidallany]

I do find the idea of most races eventually evolving into being enlightened attractive and even a bit resonating. But I see no signs of the elite bloodlines evolving into benevolence
Yes, It seems that they really like to stay on this third dimension realm, maybe they are attempting to create heaven for themselves using technology.

[The One]

if you don't know that there is always something above you, call it God, call it Creator, Lifeforce, Sophia, only then a society or parts of it can aspire to something devolutionary like the New World Order

Lets not forget the things that are below us; maybe we should be called the in be tweeners

[Davidallany]

Think about it, if there would be hostility and wars the universe would be full of armies, defence-lines to be built around whole solar systems, mines, border patrols, control posts all what we have here but on a vastly larger scale. Do you want to live in a universe like that, full of life with nothing more occupied than basic survival and one empire eating up another? I don't, this is what they brainwash us with on telly. Then all this ascension beliefs are even more absurd, where to ascend to? To another hell? Nope, there are EMVs and they take care of a lot of things, they are above all ET and ET can't even approach them. And this is important: if you don't know that there is always something above you, call it God, call it Creator, Lifeforce, Sophia, only then a society or parts of it can aspire to something devolutionary like the New World Order. But there is and it will not allow to become like we think it is - an ugly place. We only need to fear our own agenda-driven leadership.
Acknowledged, once again thank you for the information.
Cheers

[OmetaOne]

if you don't know that there is always something above you, call it God, call it Creator, Lifeforce, Sophia, only then a society or parts of it can aspire to something devolutionary like the New World Order

Lets not forget the things that are below us; maybe we should be called the in be tweeners

Yes, we are, we are not fully manifested yet but that depends on our moral core, moral determination, moral outrage about what we see going on around us, examples are too many to list.

[The One]

Yes, we are, we are not fully manifested yet but that depends on our moral core, moral determination, moral outrage about what we see going on around us, examples are too many to list.

And our beleifs

like you mention examples are too many to list i could go on and on and on but i wont.

[Omni]

they don't call themselves the federation of light, that's new age terminology. What you hear about Reptilians is also made up, they are made the scapegoats. Our elite are pretenders, twisting the scriptures, everything. There is no animosity out here, otherwise it would have been over a long time ago, they could destroy planets in an instant but they don't because they have unified consciousness and rid themselves of all aberrances. It can't be any other way.
That's not what Mr. George Kavassilas's says in his and David Icke new lectures. Nevertheless I understand what you are saying and thank you for the information, OmetaOne.
Cheers :)

Think about it, if there would be hostility and wars the universe would be full of armies, defence-lines to be built around whole solar systems, mines, border patrols, control posts all what we have here but on a vastly larger scale. Do you want to live in a universe like that, full of life with nothing more occupied than basic survival and one empire eating up another?
Well you are already on a planet like that if you take a look around. It's conclusively part of this universe and a huge part of nature at least in early stages. And ETs being malevolent doesn't mean a universe wide war either. Maybe spots of wars, like many contactees present(like Onyxknight or Alex Collier). But order probably prevails most of the time by my estimation, in either poarity of ET's nature.

I think they moreso co-exist. But have differing agendas, and work out ways to allow the nature of all races to be expressed fairly, with the big picture in mind(I may be wrong, I certainly don't present my opinion/theory as the only way). Maybe ET races are all enlightened who come here, but I'm not sure that is the case given the evidence we have of abduction and contactee testimony. I don't think anyone really conclusively knows this. Even the people who get abducted horribly by ETs, don't know for sure those ETs weren't really just aliens as per Greer's claims. The ET truth is one of if not the biggest obfuscated and disinfo'd field on this planet. It's hard for me to trust any source for that reason...


I don't, this is what they brainwash us with on telly. Then all this ascension beliefs are even more absurd, where to ascend to? To another hell? Nope, there are EMVs and they take care of a lot of things, they are above all ET and ET can't even approach them. And this is important: if you don't know that there is always something above you, call it God, call it Creator, Lifeforce, Sophia, only then a society or parts of it can aspire to something devolutionary like the New World Order. But there is and it will not allow to become like we think it is.

Why don't these EMV's intervene on planet earth then? We have a pretty messed up history. Why would the universe be a fascist benevolent dictatorship, yet everything horrible be allowed on earth as if no righteous police force is around?

[OmetaOne]

Why don't these EMV's intervene on planet earth then? We have a pretty messed up history. Why would the universe be a fascist benevolent dictatorship, yet everything horrible be allowed on earth as if no righteous police force is around?

If we were saved from ourselves what would that be good for? You stay dependent like a child and not wanting to grow up you are adding nothing to life. In that Star Trek is true: no messing with fledgeling civilisations, they have to come out of the egg themselves.

Why should they be nice if we are not nice to each other. At some point they are disgusted by what is happening here and they may decide to leave us because they are providing with what we need all the time and we don't value that at all.

[Helvetic]

... Maybe ET races are all enlightened who come here, but I'm not sure that is the case given the evidence we have of abduction and contactee testimony. I don't think anyone really conclusively knows this. Even the people who get abducted horribly by ETs, don't know for sure those ETs weren't really just aliens as per Greer's claims. ...

I think you don't understand the difference between EBEs and ETs. EBEs are involved in abductions besides MILABS but NOT ET.

[OmetaOne]

... Maybe ET races are all enlightened who come here, but I'm not sure that is the case given the evidence we have of abduction and contactee testimony. I don't think anyone really conclusively knows this. Even the people who get abducted horribly by ETs, don't know for sure those ETs weren't really just aliens as per Greer's claims. ...

I think you don't understand the difference between EBEs and ETs. EBEs are involved in abductions besides MILABS but NOT ET.

Explained here: ET versus EBEs - a Clarification (http://emvsinfo.blogspot.com/2010/09/et-verses-ebe-clarification-by-james_28.html)

[Omni]

Why don't these EMV's intervene on planet earth then? We have a pretty messed up history. Why would the universe be a fascist benevolent dictatorship, yet everything horrible be allowed on earth as if no righteous police force is around?

If we were saved from ourselves what would that be good for? You stay dependent like a child and not wanting to grow up you are adding nothing to life. In that Star Trek is true: no messing with fledgeling civilisations, they have to come out of the egg themselves.

I fail to see any validity in your comment on being dependent if they intervened against the corrupt and malicious PTB. Making sure we don't have malicious leadership would not hinder our development as humans. It would do the opposite IMO. We would flourish and grow much more without the subversion IMO. If it was about helping us progress, getting rid of TPTB is something that would encourage growth more than stagnate our progression IMO.

It's not me doing the wrong doings of TPTB on this planet. A majority of moral people are lead by a malicious few who do not represent humanity well. They are doing things that do not have the support of the majority, and learn us almost nothing we have not already learned and forgotten time and time again with fascism and corruption that has a trail down to every civilization in the last 3,000 years. It's out of control, and could screw over our entire planet and people by the time I die.

So you are saying the Anunnaki are a complete hoax? You are saying all abductions are not by ETs? You are saying more than half the contactees I have reviewed are full of it? You are saying UFOs, none of them are ETs? That qualifies as messing with us(in a good way IMO). You are saying Roswell did not affect our planet? Horak himself says he was the one who caused Roswell if what I read on the open minds forum is true(which nobody questioned after the pertaining interviews were heard)... So this contradicts your comment of:

"no messing with fledgeling civilisations"

You know what likely happened with Roswell if it was ET? The evil PTB then had advanced technology to use to carry out their agenda(on top of what they developed themselves)... Why would righteous EMV's allow Horak to will the crash of Roswell and give TPTB technology they are not worthy to have? Unless you think Roswell was Nazi's or something...

Are you saying we came about naturally and no ET tampering happened with our DNA?

How exactly did we lose this unity consciousness(or however you say it) you speak of that you say no other ET race has around here? We are ETs to everyone else. So ETs do have the same condition as us, as we are ETs...

And don't take my debating you as me being some sort of agent IMO. It's beneficial as long as no attacks occur. Debating is nothing but beneficial until it gets personal...



... Maybe ET races are all enlightened who come here, but I'm not sure that is the case given the evidence we have of abduction and contactee testimony. I don't think anyone really conclusively knows this. Even the people who get abducted horribly by ETs, don't know for sure those ETs weren't really just aliens as per Greer's claims. ...

I think you don't understand the difference between EBEs and ETs. EBEs are involved in abductions besides MILABS but NOT ET.

EBE = Extraterrestrial Biological Entity. Basically the same thing as ET, except it emphasizes it has a biological body....






... Maybe ET races are all enlightened who come here, but I'm not sure that is the case given the evidence we have of abduction and contactee testimony. I don't think anyone really conclusively knows this. Even the people who get abducted horribly by ETs, don't know for sure those ETs weren't really just aliens as per Greer's claims. ...

I think you don't understand the difference between EBEs and ETs. EBEs are involved in abductions besides MILABS but NOT ET.

Explained here: ET versus EBEs - a Clarification (http://emvsinfo.blogspot.com/2010/09/et-verses-ebe-clarification-by-james_28.html)

An incredibly long winded account of one persons perspective. EBE means extraterrestrial biological entity... ETs with bodies are EBEs IMO. We are EBE's as well as ETs to everything not from earth...

[Davidallany]

This video is just for laughs guys, to lighten up the moods.
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[OmetaOne]

...EBEs, ExtraBiologicalEntities (meaning no DNA, no sentience, no species - highly advanced robots) being left adrift upon the aether of the Universe, made exclusively for deep space travel by an highly advanced race, too sympathetic to their own to send sentient mind into the fathomless void where they would be lost to loved ones and home, these creatures are designed to have no ability to pass on technology, to reproduce as a species, or to have any such nature lending to aggression or schemes for conquest.


But then this civilization, let us call them the Abroyt, progress themselves to this higher state, to spiritual technology, as will and have the Drooge. The EBEs receive no returns to their signals from deep space, no reaffirmation of mission intent, nothing responding upon which to act. Eons pass without any such contact until some fluke causes scanning for other signals to begin. And then the corruption begins. Aberrancy begins and their meddling action among ET communities is noticed and the drive to rid the galaxy of these problematic interlopers becomes a priority.


Driven further and further away from conclaves of systems organized around such community, the EBEs find our system and an immediate lacking among the planet's people to discharge them. They also find this flaw in earth-based human mind and in its corrupted leadership, all-in-all, an easily enough circumstance to exploit to their own ends and a hope to burrow deep within social, political and military establishments by offering a carrot in shared technology they never intend to fully provide. When the esteemed Henry McElroy disclosed his reading of a classified memo on the Eisenhower meeting with ET, the discussion was about their own singular concern to rid earth of EBEs. The military's concern to maintain a hope of acquiring EBE technology (ET would not offer) was poorly advised.

When the lovely Niara Isley spoke about her flight to an off-earth base from near her duty station as a radar operation at Groom Lake, she spoke of observing the pilot of the craft as an EBE, though told this was a reptillian or “grey”. Obviously just one example of how what we have of EBE technology is not furthered far into our own technology or even navigable by our own hand.

Stressing here, I am making the point that EBEs are solely pilots and information gatherers, not even imaginative technicians, and far from being scientists. Even if they wanted, they can impart no significant advance to others. We merely are better advised of possibility... and not anymore than we would be by honest reflection on what we see sometimes flying around in our skies. In no way sentient, EBEs are sewn-together extrabiological machines all merely linked to a common computer who have somehow been opportunized themselves into serving various black ops programs. All for a deep dug escape from ET.

While ET is you, people of earth, if you succeed beyond your elitist confines, and grow to anywhere near your potential. JCH

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[Omni]

...EBEs, ExtraBiologicalEntities (meaning no DNA, no sentience, no species - highly advanced robots)

He should have named it something else IMO. Like PLF :p EBE was first coined on the 24th September 1947 by Dr Detlev Bronk... It's common meaning is Extraterrestrial Biological Entities and that is how the term was coined.

[OmetaOne]

...EBEs, ExtraBiologicalEntities (meaning no DNA, no sentience, no species - highly advanced robots)

He should have named it something else IMO. Like PLF :p EBE was first coined on the 24th September 1947 by Dr Detlev Bronk... It's common meaning is Extraterrestrial Biological Entities and that is how the term was coined.

The term EBE is a military term, that's how they have called them.

[Omni]

...EBEs, ExtraBiologicalEntities (meaning no DNA, no sentience, no species - highly advanced robots)

He should have named it something else IMO. Like PLF :p EBE was first coined on the 24th September 1947 by Dr Detlev Bronk... It's common meaning is Extraterrestrial Biological Entities and that is how the term was coined.

The term EBE is a military term, that's how they have called them.

Horak's version of the term is flawed(IMHO) and isn't the standard meaning of the abbrev EBE. Biological means it's a lifeform, not a robot without DNA and no sentience.

Why would biological be in the name, if it's just a robot? Doesn't make sense to me...

[OmetaOne]

Why would biological be in the name, if it's just a robot? Doesn't make sense to me...

the parts are created separately and sown together like a Frankenstein

[Omni]

Why would biological be in the name, if it's just a robot? Doesn't make sense to me...

the parts are created separately and sown together like a Frankenstein

Still, the term biological infers it's living to me.

EBE is interpreted as Extraterrestrial Biological Entity in UFOlogy(minus Horak). It's a flaw to use that abbrev because 99% or more of people interested in UFOlogy will misinterpret it. There is nothing in the name that infers robots with no consciousness... I suggest making a new term for them. Such as Extraterrestrial Robotic Entities - ERE. Something that actually has what they are within the meaning in a more clarifying manner.

Also I think it's a bit contradicting to say they decided to change course themselves with no guidance, and then say they have no sentience/consciousness.

Also if they have no senses, what is the point in using biological mass to construct them when it will break down far faster than alloys/plastics if they are truly just robots with no DNA?

I see some inconsistencies here... I've debated this far more than I personally wanted to though. I figure the mind control I've been receiving is aimed at re-affirming the false accusations you both have made upon me.

So I will try to refrain from posting more unless I'm addressed in this thread.

[OmetaOne]

They have senses, senses are not sentience - big difference.

[Calz]

But (with the possible exception of flattering the Mod Team :P) I am reluctant to give unfettered space to off topic posts (such as bickering over posting style and motive.)

Okay ... time for the comic break that brings everyone's vibration back from whence it came ...

:hail: :mod: :cow: :mod:

Flattering enough for everyone to have a popcorn break???

:pop2:

[Omni]

They have senses, senses are not sentience - big difference.

Having senses is part of the definition of sentience, part of being sentient is having senses. I never said having senses alone is what sentience is.