Planet X/Nibiru/Tyche/Hercolobus/Elenin

[Nasu]

thanks C_A., having a look right now on SKY-MAP.org. trying to see if there is anything visible right now from this site.
warmest, corson

it seems to be located within the orion constellation. but my resolution sucks. i can't get close enough to see any real detail. there is nothing blocked out though. i'm sure that the coordinates of nibiru have changed since this vid., became public knowledge. i will keep searching and let you know what i find.

Hey Corson - Just went through my google earth, explore, sky, typed in the coordinates and hey presto a huge black square over the stars in that part of the sky... Very interesting, like the dark lord mentioned, they reveal more through the omission. Great finds Calz.. N

[Calz]

Vatican would not poney up a few million (or whatever it cost) for a major south pole telescope for no reason.

[Nasu]

Thought this was interesting, disinfo or info, you be the judge..N
http://www.frequency.com/video/google-sky-blank-spot-complete-guide-to/3513075

[Calz]

Thought this was interesting, disinfo or info, you be the judge..N
http://www.frequency.com/video/google-sky-blank-spot-complete-guide-to/3513075

Excellent follow up information Nasu!!!

Hard time accepting anything from google(cia) but this is definitely worth evaluating.

Thanks for the valuable addition to data to discern :)

[AlexanderLight]

Nibiru / Planet X / Comet EleNin - New Trajectory Programs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9aSrQ_csWA&feature=player_embedded

[Bob_2011]

Im not worried about comet Elenin , and as for Nibiru, it doesnt exist.

The only thing out there i might get a little concerned about is a lump of rock comming close to us this year, it weighs in at about 55 million tons, and it will only be 201.700 mile from us which takes it inside the Moons orbit, and orbits the sun every 14 months, so if that gets nudged just a little bit then every 14 months the orbit could start to get very close to us indeed.

November 8th is the day.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/giant-asteriod-set-to-narrowly-miss-earth.html (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/giant-asteroid-set-to-narrowly-miss-earth.html)

[nearing]

I made a playlist of the scientific proof of our Sun's sister (the Brown Dwarf) for any and all to see. I am sorry if people want to say they don't 'believe' in it. That means they won't prepare by really living life to the fullest.

Brown Dwarf (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=620221274BCB5666)

I really recommend EVERYONE see this as it will (and in some cases, already has) affect us all. I believe the proof has been provided to us by NASA and other scientists.


Love to you all.

I may make a thread from the playlist.

[Thefrenzy1978]

Comet Elenin is getting a big momma coma is 33k km at the moment and growing i think this comet is alot bigger than they say a coma size like that is bigger than a 3km to a 4km comet i would put a few zeros in behind of the 3 or 4 .

[truthseekerdan]

Comet Elenin is getting a big momma coma is 33k km at the moment and growing i think this comet is alot bigger than they say a coma size like that is bigger than a 3km to a 4km comet i would put a few zeros in behind of the 3 or 4 .

Here is a video confirming what you just said.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgcvzvI3Dw4


Much Love

[nearing]

A comet with no tail?

Yeah, I am not buying that C/2010 X1 ELENIN is a comet. Not even for a minute.

That, sir, is no comet.

[truthseekerdan]

Here is an interesting channel to check about ELEnin: http://www.youtube.com/user/100sevgilim

[yiolas]

Marshall Masters recently had a radio panel discussion titled, "IS ELENIN JUST A GREAT COMET, OR IS IT MORE?" (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/yowradio/2011/05/04/is-elenin-just-a-great-comet-or-is-it-more)Very interesting program.

Planet X Special Report with Marshall Masters
PANEL: Ed Douglas, Richard Goodwin and Terral Croft of the PlanetxTownHall.com, Comet Elenin Research Team

Comet C/2010 X1 Elenin is the hop topic on the Web today. This mysterious comet was discovered in December 2010 by Russian astronomer Leonid Elenin. Many have tried to vet his background with frustrating results and now wonder if he is a real person, or just a code word for an E.L.E. (Extinction Level Event), from the constellation LEO.

For those in the mainstream, all of this speculation and debate makes it difficult to draw a clear bead on the real story. This is because when Comet Elenin becomes visible to the naked eye later this year, it will not appear as a second sun in the sky. That is, assuming present estimates hold true.

In this panel interview with the PlanetxTownHall.com Comet Elenin research team, the goal is to help listeners to sort through this paralyzing conundrum, so they can focus on what matters most - survival.

[MorningSong]

well, just to throw another wrench in the motor, take a look at this from cropcircleconnector:


Milk Hill of June 2009 seems to predict a new, bright astronomical object in our solar system, possibly a comet or even an “extra planet”, on the new Moon of June 1, 2011

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/time2011b.html

I recently ran across this recently, too.....interesting to note the sun-planet alignments and their dates.... People Get Ready!

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[nearing]

This article is the best yet on what is being dubbed Comet Elenin. (http://blog.imva.info/world-affairs/elenin) Please read the whole thing, especially the chart!

“On April 8th at our Russian observatory we carried out planned observations of Comet C/2010 X1 (Elenin). An analysis of the results of the observations shows a rapid growth of the coma. Besides the internal compact gas envelope, the forming rarified external coma is also visible in the image. Its diameter exceeds 1 minute of arc, or 80,000 km! It is possible that such a rapid growth of the coma is associated with the apparent superposition over it of the comet’s dust tail, which after opposition, still remains invisible to the earthly observer.”

We have news out of Cornell University that sustains the view that Elenin is playing a direct part in causing large earthquakes. Professor Mensur Omerbashich is saying that his “georesonator concept in which tidally induced magnification of Earth masses’ resonance causes seismicity.” This trashes NASA’s assertion that the humongous earthquake we saw in Japan and before that with the ones in Chile and New Zealand were coincidental with alignments between Elenin, the Earth and the Sun.

The earth’s seismicity can arise as a natural response
of our planet to its alignments with other celestial objects.
Professor Mensur Omerbashich

Omerbashich demonstrates empirically that “all strong (~M6+) earthquakes of 2010 occurred during the Earth’s long astronomical alignments within our solar system. He shows that the same holds true for all very strong (~M8+) earthquakes of the decade of 2000s. He asserts that the “comet C/2010 X1 (Elenin) has been adding to robustness in terms of very strong seismicity since 2007. Elenin will continue intensifying the Earth’s very strong seismicity until August-October, 2011.”

It seems like every time Elenin lines up with Earth and another planet or the Sun we have an earthquake, the nearer Elenin gets the bigger the earthquakes.

Keep in mind that most stars in most solar systems are paired, meaning they have a twin star, and this is called a binary star system. It's been hypothesized that our system is binary.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIo2SFUjjuA
Watch The Great Year Documentary (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIo2SFUjjuA&list=PL620221274BCB5666).

More credence was given to the hypothesis that a “brown dwarf” star accounts for the mysterious force. This is the informal name astronomers give to celestial bodies that were not massive enough for their thermonuclear furnaces to ignite; perhaps like the huge planet Jupiter, they just missed being self-illuminating stars.

Most stars are paired, so it is not unreasonable to suggest that the Sun has a dim companion. Moreover, a brown dwarf in the neighborhood might not reflect enough light to be seen far away, said Dr. John Anderson of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, CA. Its gravitational forces, however, should produce energy detectable by the Infrared Astronomical Satellite.

Are we ready for the big Earth Changes that are surely coming this fall?

[nearing]

I personally don't think that 12-21-2012 is the last alignment. I think (as George Kavassilas does) that March 21, 2013 will be the last.

I think the astronomer who put the chart together just ended his looking for alignments on that date because it holds so much interest for the public. He should have kept going.

I also want to add that I do not think any of this is something to be feared. It's just an end of an era and a beginning of another much better one. Something to look forward to! :clap2:

[MorningSong]

Thanks, nearing, for an excellent post.

I think that this video needs to go here, too, as a reference for anyone wanting to do more research.....check out the alignments:

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[g.k.r]

there was a lot of solar activity too the day before the japan earthquake, a friend had poiinted it out to me night before, and i looked at the nasa site and confirmed what he was saying, the next day i heard of teh quake, so maybe the suns influence is true too

[ktlight]

Thanks, nearing, for an excellent post.

I think that this video needs to go here, too, as a reference for anyone wanting to do more research.....check out the alignments:


What a brilliant vid. So, when Nibiru passes by the Sun, all orbits change. Looks as if Earth has a very cold time coming, being now much further away rom the Sun.

[nearing]

Thanks for the vid. Morningsong. I can never figure out how to embed a vid or I would have done that with the documentary too. :confused:

[truthseekerdan]

Comet Elenin's Orbit, Atlantis and the Lost Continent of Mu

Interesting article here: http://beforeitsnews.com/story/634/008/Comet_Elenins_Orbit,_Atlantis_and_the_Lost_Continent_of_Mu.html


Much Love

[T Smith]

So, if I have this translated correctly:

In mid-April 2012, Nibirus Minoris crosses the Earth's orbit, at which point the Earth violently shifts to approx. an 18 month orbital cycle around the sun with its apogee roughly twice earth's current distance from the sun.

Interesting times....

[Wings]

I personally don't think that 12-21-2012 is the last alignment. I think (as George Kavassilas does) that March 21, 2013 will be the last.

I think the astronomer who put the chart together just ended his looking for alignments on that date because it holds so much interest for the public. He should have kept going.

I think the 21 March 2013 is an important date; but there is no Elenin alignment with earth and sun on that date.
As for the alignment on the 21st December 2012, the Elenin-Earth-Sun alignment occurs on the 25/26 December.

For anyone interested in tracking the orbital movements of Elenin: http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=elenin;orb=1;cov=0;log=0;cad=0#orb

[fox.mulder]

ummm....hang on ......isnt HAARP responcible for the earthquakes?

[linz2d]

Thanks, nearing, for an excellent post.

I think that this video needs to go here, too, as a reference for anyone wanting to do more research.....check out the alignments:

vuvgVGN-5lI

Just to make a point though this is "NOT" a leaked NASA simulation, it is from a simulation program called universesandbox (http://universesandbox.com/). You can add objects and bodies into our solar system or universe and see what the end result will be. Notice the blanked out areas on lower and upper left part of the screen, these correspond to the interface seen in the program. However regardless whether it is real or not, it is still interesting to see the devastating result.

[nearing]

Thanks, nearing, for an excellent post.

I think that this video needs to go here, too, as a reference for anyone wanting to do more research.....check out the alignments:

vuvgVGN-5lI

Just to make a point though this is "NOT" a leaked NASA simulation, it is from a simulation program called universesandbox (http://universesandbox.com/). You can add objects and bodies into our solar system or universe and see what the end result will be. Notice the blanked out areas on lower and upper left part of the screen, these correspond to the interface seen in the program. However regardless whether it is real or not, it is still interesting to see the devastating result.

This one doesn't seem to jive with the JPL software. Interesting, yes. But I'd stick with the JPL stuff to predict anything really happening.

Going to be a hell of an Autumn!

[Gustav]

I personally don't think that 12-21-2012 is the last alignment. I think (as George Kavassilas does) that March 21, 2013 will be the last.

I think the astronomer who put the chart together just ended his looking for alignments on that date because it holds so much interest for the public. He should have kept going.

I also want to add that I do not think any of this is something to be feared. It's just an end of an era and a beginning of another much better one. Something to look forward to! :clap2:

Nice, that would be on my birthday!

[DeRezzed69]

Thanks, nearing, for an excellent post.

I think that this video needs to go here, too, as a reference for anyone wanting to do more research.....check out the alignments:

vuvgVGN-5lI

Just to make a point though this is "NOT" a leaked NASA simulation, it is from a simulation program called universesandbox (http://universesandbox.com/). You can add objects and bodies into our solar system or universe and see what the end result will be. Notice the blanked out areas on lower and upper left part of the screen, these correspond to the interface seen in the program. However regardless whether it is real or not, it is still interesting to see the devastating result.

i can confirm that it's universe sandbox. i've used the program myself to simulate a large object entering the solar system. it almost always ends life on this planet.

but that doesn't mean, that we are headed for interesting times. given the common narrative, that planet x orbits every 3600 years or so, it means that planet x doesn't exist. the orbits of our planets are very nice and smooth, so nothing bad has happened to them in a very long time.

for examples: an object with 70 jupiter masses (a large brown dwarf) passing the sun between earths and venuses orbit will rip the sun right out of the solar system. very fun to watch, but only in a simulation ;-)

[AlexanderLight]

Nibiru/Planet X On The Switzerland And Iraq Banknotes

Nibiru's elliptical orbit is clearly visible inside and outside of our solar system. There is absolutely no doubt that this trajectory represents the trajectory of the so called 'Tenth (10th) Planet'. The banknote has the value of 10 francs. The message is clear: Nibiru/Planet X exists & this is its orbit!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ9XSCbjeec

[OnyxKnight]

Im not worried about comet Elenin , and as for Nibiru, it doesnt exist.

Not anymore.

[White Phoenix]

See for yourself...

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[White Phoenix]

For some reason, Earth has the Venus symbol. Can anyone comment on this?

[AlexanderLight]

10 Swiss Francs banknote:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/Euler-10_Swiss_Franc_banknote_%28front_and_back%29.jpg
A clear depiction of our solar system, including Nibiru's elliptical orbit.

[Dick]

the " ! " sign, in the path of elenin or niburu, does it mean it is a comet ??
looks like it.

[Dick]

and why is it the only red "path"??

[dddanieljjjamesss]

very interesting... is there any related news when this current design was first being promoted? so we can see what the mainstream reasoning is?

[Hummingbird]

A sign of an occult secret belief system putting things of the most importance out in the open for people to stare at everyday and still have no clue, A form of deceit that allows them to draw energy from the victimhood consciousness

The same symbolism used on the dollar bill, showing the pyramidal power structure, being what is really wrong at the core of our problems on this planet.

[Calz]

For some reason, Earth has the Venus symbol. Can anyone comment on this?

cross within a circle is the normal astro symbol for earth.

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:sorry:

I see what you mean ... looks like two venus symbols (one where eath should be) ... perhaps a "mistake" ... who knows?

[Mark Aldebaran]

@White Phoenix: The inverted Venus symbol is sometimes used for Earth.
@ Dick: The exclamation mark looks like a comet symbol if you zoom in.
@ Hummingbird: The note is celebrating a mathematician and the image may just be the random imaginings of a graphic artist rather than a commission of 'hidden in plain sight'. Please explain the 'sign of an occult secret belief system' in this image.

High rez here:
http://macflowerpot.com/images/euler12.jpg

[Calz]

@White Phoenix: The inverted Venus symbol is sometimes used for Earth.
@ Dick: The exclamation mark looks like a comet symbol if you zoom in.
@ Hummingbird: The note is celebrating a mathematician and the image may just be the random imaginings of a graphic artist rather than a commission of 'hidden in plain sight'. Please explain the 'sign of an occult secret belief system' in this image.

High rez here:
http://macflowerpot.com/images/euler12.jpg

The "inverted" venus symbol (as pictured here differently than in 2nd in OP) I have never seen assoiciated with astro. :noidea: If you have seen it before then I defer.

When looking at all of them (to whatever degree possible without the higher resolution) it appears that the venus symbol is revolving into several positions?

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The "!" (or whatever that is) has a pictured orbit as only outside of Saturn so that would not be Nibiru.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Pretty amazing find White Phoenix...its even showing the tail/debris of Nibiru!!

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss295/shelterfromdastorm/nibiru-1.jpg

viking

[Hummingbird]

Secret belief system that IMO is being referenced, not a particular sign or emblem but a piece of information that is the whole story of Nibaru and the binary start system that is not spoke of, taught or talked about by the PTB but yet they will put a Solar diagram on a piece of currency, Hinting towards its validity.

I dont think it is random imaging, Is the owl hidden in the dollar bill random or a salute to Molak* the seer of the dark, what about the back of the dollar, random? I dont think they do much randomly to much time and endless resources.. Maybe the mathematician has done more than math on earthy problems and this could be his pat on the back

[Eric J (Viking)]

Found this ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ9XSCbjeec&feature=player_embedded

viking

[nearing]

Im not worried about comet Elenin , and as for Nibiru, it doesnt exist.

Not anymore.

Not sure what you both means by this. Will you expound? Thanks.

[Calz]

Found this ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ9XSCbjeec&feature=player_embedded

viking

Thanx Viking

Made my comments based on the static photos of the currency here in this thread.

The vid you provide shows something else altogether :)

[truthseekerdan]

Im not worried about comet Elenin , and as for Nibiru, it doesnt exist.

Not anymore.

If one does not see it or know much about it, does not mean it's not there in space...

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[Nortreb]

Peace.

I have lived in Switzerland for 7 years and I have not ever seen this 10 franc note.

Where did you get this information from?

[OnyxKnight]

If one does not see it or know much about it, does not mean it's not there in space...

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Not sure what you both means by this. Will you expound? Thanks.

If one has seen the pieces and remains of what's left of it in the Kuiper Belt, one does not need to think its there in space (not as an active object anyway).

[sepia]

Peace.

I have lived in Switzerland for 7 years and I have not ever seen this 10 franc note.

Where did you get this information from?

The currant 10 franc note is yellow. - The one discussed here is a bit older.
Swiss banks change the Bills quiet frequent to make it difficult for those who want to fake them.

And here in Switzerland a circle with a cross on top is the usual sign for our planet earth.

Sepia

[nearing]

If one has seen the pieces and remains of what's left of it in the Kuiper Belt, one does not need to think its there in space (not as an active object anyway).[/QUOTE]

How could you know, when seeing some debris (of which there is much in the Kuiper Belt), where it came from?

[OnyxKnight]

How could you know, when seeing some debris (of which there is much in the Kuiper Belt), where it came from?

Simple: Exoarcheology session.

And I believe that one can notice lumps of fiery red rock, from the rest of the dark ice bodies floating around :).

[nearing]

How could you know, when seeing some debris (of which there is much in the Kuiper Belt), where it came from?

Simple: Exoarcheology session.

And I believe that one can notice lumps of fiery red rock, from the rest of the dark ice bodies floating around :).

What is an exoarcheology session? Can you provide a link so the rest of us can see it too?

Thanks.

[truthseekerdan]

If one has seen the pieces and remains of what's left of it in the Kuiper Belt, one does not need to think its there in space (not as an active object anyway).

Are you saying that you somehow have better insider info to prove this? Or you just want to look knowledgeable...
What about the info put up by PC a while ago regarding the Norwegian politician? Take a look at the link, and stop playing around please. :twitch:

http://projectcamelot.org/norway.html

Best regards

[greybeard]

This speaker is credible
He claims insider American Navy Intelligence.
Not good news, but if true, essential information
The video is long but worth the time to view.

Chris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crU9sM5QTUk&feature=player_embedded

[OnyxKnight]

How could you know, when seeing some debris (of which there is much in the Kuiper Belt), where it came from?

Simple: Exoarcheology session.

And I believe that one can notice lumps of fiery red rock, from the rest of the dark ice bodies floating around :).

What is an exoarcheology session? Can you provide a link so the rest of us can see it too?

Thanks.

Also called xenoarchaeology. That is a form of archaeology only applied in space, mainly other planets. The research is concerned with the physical remains of former alien life and alien cultures.

Link to what? A personal experience?


Are you saying that you somehow have better insider info to prove this? Or you just want to look knowledgeable...
What about the info put up by PC a while ago regarding the Norwegian politician? Take a look at the link, and stop playing around please. :twitch:

http://projectcamelot.org/norway.html

Best regards

The Norwegian politician, to my knowledge, from reading that material, has not been near the Kuiper Belt to see that. And also note, there is more than one planet-sized body roaming our Solar system. None are hostile though. Either a mistaken identity, or a fine way to spread disinformation AND fear.

I personally think most of the underground bases are a "just-in-case-scenario" if the sun acts out in 2012, regarding its cycle.

You can get more info on my thread.

[truthseekerdan]

Thanks Chris, for those that don't know the video above and more are posted also on this thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20578-NASA-confirms-Elenin&p=222492&viewfull=1#post222492

[truthseekerdan]

Originally Posted by OnyxKnight: The Norwegian politician, to my knowledge, from reading that material, has not been near the Kuiper Belt to see that.

So you've been there and seen it destroyed, huh Superman? ;)

IlhyIz8ooIM

[OnyxKnight]

Originally Posted by OnyxKnight: The Norwegian politician, to my knowledge, from reading that material, has not been near the Kuiper Belt to see that.

So you've been there and seen it destroyed, huh Superman? ;)

IlhyIz8ooIM

"I haven't seen the man die, only his remains :)."

[nearing]

Link to what? A personal experience?


Are you saying that you are the only one who has this information? No scientist knows?

[OnyxKnight]

Link to what? A personal experience?


Are you saying that you are the only one who has this information? No scientist knows?

The JSA knows. Its why they plan future missions there.

You can Google their research on the asteroid Belt, as well as some minor data regarding the Kuiper Belt. One of the most interesting remarks was a (scientific) "theory" that those fragments were "once a planet".

Hopefully in near future, thanks to the JSA, we can put this Nibiru-induced panic and fear to rest?

EDIT: A few insider sources have claimed Nibiru being destroyed

Stewart Swerdlow claims the same thing. So does Alex Collier.

[greybeard]

Thanks Chris, for those that don't know the video above and more are posted also on this thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20578-NASA-confirms-Elenin&p=222492&viewfull=1#post222492

Hi Dan yes I forgot where I got it thanks for posting it originally.

We seem to be going round in circles -- that may be appropriate laughing as it is about orbit.

Right or wrong my feeling is that something is affecting our weather and causing earth quakes with similar happenings on other planets.
It all seems too extreme to be just normal fluctuations on the Sun.
So if something else is causing it--- What and where is it and has it happened before in our history?

A little research will give some answers.
I know that Dan has been very busy on this one--- all credit to him.

Regards Chris

[truthseekerdan]

Link to what? A personal experience?


Are you saying that you are the only one who has this information? No scientist knows?

The JSA knows. Its why they plan future missions there.

You can Google their research on the asteroid Belt, as well as some minor data regarding the Kuiper Belt. One of the most interesting remarks was a (scientific) "theory" that those fragments were "once a planet".

Hopefully in near future, thanks to the JSA, we can put this Nibiru-induced panic and fear to rest?

EDIT: A few insider sources have claimed Nibiru being destroyed

Stewart Swerdlow claims the same thing. So does Alex Collier.

We're not necessarily talking about planet X, Nibiru or Elenin here, but about a brown dwarf binary star that exists in our solar system orbiting our Sun, and possibly affecting the Earth in a not so 'pleasant way'. As a matter a fact we can see an increase in big earthquakes, weather anomalies, etc.

http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/ds3.htm

[nearing]

Link to what? A personal experience?


Are you saying that you are the only one who has this information? No scientist knows?

The JSA knows. Its why they plan future missions there.

You can Google their research on the asteroid Belt, as well as some minor data regarding the Kuiper Belt. One of the most interesting remarks was a (scientific) "theory" that those fragments were "once a planet".

Hopefully in near future, thanks to the JSA, we can put this Nibiru-induced panic and fear to rest?

EDIT: A few insider sources have claimed Nibiru being destroyed

Stewart Swerdlow claims the same thing. So does Alex Collier.

I can accept that a planet that was called Nibiru was destroyed and isn't now (if it ever was) a danger to us but this is a different animal than the huge Brown Dwarf that the officials are 'calling' a comet (Elenin) and is heading our way and already is and will be causing havoc in the fall.

[blufire]

I actually DUCKED my head when I read this exchange between OnyxKnight and nearing.

:o





Link to what? A personal experience?


Are you saying that you are the only one who has this information? No scientist knows?

[nearing]

I actually DUCKED my head when I read this exchange between OnyxKnight and nearing.

:o





Link to what? A personal experience?


Are you saying that you are the only one who has this information? No scientist knows?

Lol. Aw, I would never throw anything at OK. OK is a good soul. All questions were in the interest of science and information that I believe is very important to all who may come here and read this.
;)

[OnyxKnight]

Link to what? A personal experience?


Are you saying that you are the only one who has this information? No scientist knows?

The JSA knows. Its why they plan future missions there.

You can Google their research on the asteroid Belt, as well as some minor data regarding the Kuiper Belt. One of the most interesting remarks was a (scientific) "theory" that those fragments were "once a planet".

Hopefully in near future, thanks to the JSA, we can put this Nibiru-induced panic and fear to rest?

EDIT: A few insider sources have claimed Nibiru being destroyed

Stewart Swerdlow claims the same thing. So does Alex Collier.

I can accept that a planet that was called Nibiru was destroyed and isn't now (if it ever was) a danger to us but this is a different animal than the huge Brown Dwarf that the officials are 'calling' a comet (Elenin) and is heading our way and already is and will be causing havoc in the fall.

Elenin is a craft. Expect anomalies to be reported soon. Weird turns, smaller objects going out and then in "it", the coma tail becoming large, then shrinking, and also, change of speed of approach.

The only thing we need to worry is the sun, and possible solar flares occurring late next year.

There are several very large objects going through our Solar system, but none are hostile. One of these objects belongs to a group I have contacted in the past. They are just doing some research, and they will leave sometime around 2016/2017.







Link to what? A personal experience?


Are you saying that you are the only one who has this information? No scientist knows?

The JSA knows. Its why they plan future missions there.

You can Google their research on the asteroid Belt, as well as some minor data regarding the Kuiper Belt. One of the most interesting remarks was a (scientific) "theory" that those fragments were "once a planet".

Hopefully in near future, thanks to the JSA, we can put this Nibiru-induced panic and fear to rest?

EDIT: A few insider sources have claimed Nibiru being destroyed

Stewart Swerdlow claims the same thing. So does Alex Collier.

We're not necessarily talking about planet X, Nibiru or Elenin here, but about a brown dwarf binary star that exists in our solar system orbiting our Sun, and possibly affecting the Earth in a not so 'pleasant way'. As a matter a fact we can see an increase in big earthquakes, weather anomalies, etc.

http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/ds3.htm

That's because of energy coming from the galaxy center.

If you are referring to the theory of the binary system, yes, its true, we are. But the companion is a dim red dwarf star, and it has already been cataloged. I'm not sure why they haven't given it a name of link it officially with our main sun through a statement. Although there is official research on "spotting" this star as we speak.

The reason I say its a red dwarf is - a brown dwarf would not have such effects on the Oort Cloud and the objects there. It takes something with a staggering amount of mass, like a very small, cold, dim star (but a star nonetheless), to cause such perturbations.

[Rocky_Shorz]

anytime end of world discussions are brought up with people that have researched different angles there are always disagreements, but I have faith in both Dan and Onyx to agree to disagree on this one...

so Israel and the Palestinians after fighting since the beginning of time are coming to a peace agreement the month before Elenin passes .233 au from earth... link (http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=C%2F2010%20X1;orb=1;cov=0;log=0;cad=1#elem)

we have the doomsayer predicting Oct 21st and then the Mayan Calendar recalculated to Oct 29th 2011 the actual end date, not Dec 21 2012...

sounds like an exciting month...

[nearing]

Elenin is a craft. Expect anomalies to be reported soon. Weird turns, smaller objects going out and then in "it", the coma tail becoming large, then shrinking, and also, change of speed of approach.

The only thing we need to worry is the sun, and possible solar flares occurring late next year.

There are several very large objects going through our Solar system, but none are hostile. One of these objects belongs to a group I have contacted in the past. They are just doing some research, and they will leave sometime around 2016/2017.

The thing they are calling Elenin MUST have a lot of mass as it has caused EQs every time it is aligned with us and another body going back a long time. The chart is here on this thread somewhere, I believe.


That's because of energy coming from the galaxy center.

If you are referring to the theory of the binary system, yes, its true, we are. But the companion is a dim red dwarf star, and it has already been cataloged. I'm not sure why they haven't given it a name of link it officially with our main sun through a statement. Although there is official research on "spotting" this star as we speak.

The reason I say its a red dwarf is - a brown dwarf would not have such effects on the Oort Cloud and the objects there. It takes something with a staggering amount of mass, like a very small, cold, dim star (but a star nonetheless), to cause such perturbations.

From what I have read about Brown Dwarfs: They are 'failed suns', meaning they have a ton of mass, just slightly less than our Sun and are cool so we cannot pick them up easily without Infrared telescopes.

I am still convinced that this thing coming our way that has already caused much damage and will cause a ton more in September is our Sun's binary companion and they do not want us to know this, so they named it a comet.

I am always willing to hear more info that may change my mind.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Elenin is a craft. Expect anomalies to be reported soon. Weird turns, smaller objects going out and then in "it", the coma tail becoming large, then shrinking, and also, change of speed of approach.

The only thing we need to worry is the sun, and possible solar flares occurring late next year.

There are several very large objects going through our Solar system, but none are hostile. One of these objects belongs to a group I have contacted in the past. They are just doing some research, and they will leave sometime around 2016/2017.



so this craft that was spotted in December, tracked now for ~180 days is racing towards us...

do you have any idea why?

[nearing]

anytime end of world discussions are brought up with people that have researched different angles there are always disagreements, but I have faith in both Dan and Onyx to agree to disagree on this one...

so Israel and the Palestinians after fighting since the beginning of time are coming to a peace agreement the month before Elenin passes .233 au from earth... link (http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=C%2F2010%20X1;orb=1;cov=0;log=0;cad=1#elem)

we have the doomsayer predicting Oct 21st and then the Mayan Calendar recalculated to Oct 29th 2011 the actual end date, not Dec 21 2012...

sounds like an exciting month...

That's the info I have as well, Rocky. The Mayan calendar ends Oct 28, 2011 - NOT in 2012. Calleman has researched it impeccably. The Brown Dwarf/Elenin causes big Earth changes on September 27 and continues to play havoc through October. (although I'd bet that we will see lots of stuff begin to happen in the beginning of September as this massive thing gets within our orbit, we won't need 'alignments' for destruction to happen when it's that close)

It all fits.

I'd like to add that I am not fearful of this happening. I think we are living in interesting and wondrous times. :cool:

[OnyxKnight]

so this craft that was spotted in December, tracked now for ~180 days is racing towards us...

do you have any idea why?

Its caring another 'Cradle of Life'.

A security measure given the sun problem goes to such lengths that the human population is significantly destroyed. Should drop the box on its closest approach here.

[Rocky_Shorz]

I had to mention the Israel/Pals...

it's like winning the lotto and getting hit by a truck in front of a cashiers office... ;)

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so this craft that was spotted in December, tracked now for ~180 days is racing towards us...

do you have any idea why?

Its carrying another 'Cradle of Life'.

A security measure given the sun problem goes to such lengths that the human population is significantly destroyed. Should drop the box on its closest approach here.

well in that case, regarding your request for friends to join you... count me in... ;)

[OnyxKnight]

http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/dwarfs.jpg

A comparison of stellar objects.

See, the difference between a red star and a brown dwarf is staggering :).

[nearing]

http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/dwarfs.jpg

A comparison of stellar objects.

See, the difference between a red star and a brown dwarf is staggering :).

If you are talking about size, perhaps.

If you are talking about mass, that's a whole other subject. That young Brown Dwarf is considerably more massive than Jupiter even though it's size isn't all that much bigger. And in order for those temps to be where they are, that thing is surely massive.

Just according to your image there, I can see a Brown Dwarf coming to within .2 AUs of little Earth to have a HUGE impact gravitationally and magnetically.

[The Truth Is In There]

as a big fan of prophecies and predictions i have to agree with the pro-planet x faction.

all those prophets, as well as many people with NDEs or those who were progressed hypnotically into the future, as well as several "crystal children" or whatever you want to call them, as well as religious scriptures like the bible or the kolbrin bible, as well as indigenous prophecies like that of the hopi and others, ALL of them speak about a large object in the sky causing havoc and a pole shift with subsequent melting of the polar ice caps, so to me it seems impossible that something like this is not going to happen.

and of course there's the zetas. what they predict in terms of earth changes, crustal movement and so on turns out to be correct time and time again. for a short while after 2003 people may have believed that what they said is all bs but if you open your eyes and compare what they predict with what is indeed happening then all should become clear.

so, unless somebody can convince me that the poles can shift and the ice caps melt in a very short period of time without the influence of a large planetary body coming near us i can only conclude that planet x is real.

[OnyxKnight]

I wouldn't put my faith in whatever a Zeta Reticulan says.

Look at all the prophecies they have outlined now? Not a good track record.

[White Phoenix]

The "!" (or whatever that is) has a pictured orbit as only outside of Saturn so that would not be Nibiru.

That did cross my mind, but nothing else in the image seems to be to scale either, so I don't think we can apply that reasoning here.

I wonder what this jazz is all about...

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Wormhole/Stargate?

7724 :noidea:

Just in case anyone was wondering, this note is from the '6th Series' of Swiss bank notes, issued in November 1979 and withdrawn in May 2000...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banknotes_of_the_Swiss_franc#Ninth_series

[Rocky_Shorz]

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so do you know who is on the craft and whether the Cradle is empty?

[truthseekerdan]

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so do you know who is on the craft and whether the Cradle is empty?

Are you thinking about the Anunnaki, Rocky? ;)

[Rocky_Shorz]

I thought they were stopped in the ort cloud...

it was decided no intervention on this round, but now we have a ship streaking towards us looking like a comet and I was wondering if any details were known...

[OnyxKnight]

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so do you know who is on the craft and whether the Cradle is empty?

Two cultures, both of which, are humanoid. I don't know anything else about them.

Here is what I know - The 'Cradle of Life' and what we know as 'Pandora's Box' are one and the same thing. Depending on what the object is used for, it can be either. Both a tool for creation and a tool for destruction.

It contains genetic material of various life forms who are "programmed" to adapt to Earth conditions.

Elenin should drop it somewhere on Earth. Last time this happened was after the dinosaurs were made extinct.

[Operator]

http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/dwarfs.jpg
A comparison of stellar objects.


Thanks, for the comparison ... I was struggling recently with the different definitions, man made anyway.
But it's more important to understand the difference in resulting effect.

A brown dwarf cannot be seen with the naked eye ... but now I understand why they announced seeing a 2nd sun soon.
Probably related to a red dwarf instead.

[truthseekerdan]

Here is what's coming our way as seen by remote viewers (RV) -- be it Elenin/Nibiru/Brown Dwarf, you name it. It's just going to be a large object...

ZR1ypwOHLG0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR1ypwOHLG0


Much Love

[Rocky_Shorz]

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so do you know who is on the craft and whether the Cradle is empty?

Two cultures, both of which, are humanoid. I don't know anything else about them.

Here is what I know - The 'Cradle of Life' and what we know as 'Pandora's Box' are one and the same thing. Depending on what the object is used for, it can be either. Both a tool for creation and a tool for destruction.

It contains genetic material of various life forms who are "programmed" to adapt to Earth conditions.

Elenin should drop it somewhere on Earth. Last time this happened was after the dinosaurs were made extinct.

any idea why such a race to get it here?

what happens if PTB decide to shoot it out of the Sky or destroy it when it lands? could they make this into a false flag invasion?


with Republicans having so much trouble finding someone to run against Obama, they might have better luck choosing someone from a different planet...


at least they'll finally have something to keep the birthers busy... ;)

[ponda]

I wonder what this jazz is all about...

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Wormhole/Stargate?

7724 :noidea:

Just in case anyone was wondering, this note is from the '6th Series' of Swiss bank notes, issued in November 1979 and withdrawn in May 2000...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banknotes_of_the_Swiss_franc#Ninth_series

Yes that is a very interesting observation White Phoenix.Also those four saucer shaped objects that are connected by lines to the right of it are interesting as well.There are also some broken lines involved with these objects.

http://macflowerpot.com/images/euler12.jpg

Something else that is interesting are these beings that are on the Swiss note.Some people speculate that they could be the annunaki.

(EDIT: MISTAKE MADE-CHANGED IRAQ NOTE TO SWISS NOTE---THANKYOU SEPIA)

http://strictlyhonest.com/wp-content/forum-image-uploads/maverick27/Tall_man.jpg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-JardyxEShUE/TdOcFbRZQ8I/AAAAAAAACGI/u-m8d5M2fek/s1600/006.jpg

[gigha]

See for yourself...

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I wonder what the orange cone or bell shaped object in the background is...

[sepia]

[QUOTE=White Phoenix;227222]
Something else that is interesting are these beings that are on the Iraqi dinar note.Some people speculate that they could be the annunaki.

http://strictlyhonest.com/wp-content/forum-image-uploads/maverick27/Tall_man.jpg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-JardyxEShUE/TdOcFbRZQ8I/AAAAAAAACGI/u-m8d5M2fek/s1600/006.jpg

Hey - hey - hey - common...

What a poor piece of research - or are you spreading misinformation by purpose?

This is the Swiss 100 Franc banknote (CHF), SWITZERLAND and not IRAK,

and the statues were created by a Swiss artist: Alberto Giacometti:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Giacometti

The bill is from the current series which honores artists from Switzerland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CHF100_8_front_horizontal.jpg

Sepia

[Mark Aldebaran]

And here in Switzerland a circle with a cross on top is the usual sign for our planet earth.
Sepia

Thanks, Sepia. I had a recollection of seeing that symbol somewhere as Earth, and more specifically as Gaia.
There is also the legend that Venus and the Earth were once twin planets, and Venus suffered a disaster and turned upside down.
Paix et lumiere,

[ponda]

Hey - hey - hey - common...

What a poor piece of research - or are you spreading misinformation by purpose?

This is the Swiss 100 Franc banknote (CHF), SWITZERLAND and not IRAK,

and the statues were created by a Swiss artist: Alberto Giacometti:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Giacometti

The bill is from the current series which honores artists from Switzerland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CHF100_8_front_horizontal.jpg

Sepia


My apolgies.It wasn't deliberate.I just edited it.I've been reading about these similar anomalies and got both of the notes mixed up.

Thanks for pointing this out.Much appreciated.



Here's where the annunaki might be on the Iraqi dinar note.There is also the image of a dragon/serpent on the left hand side.

http://www.zetatalk2.com/newsletr/image063.jpg

[noprophet]

Anyone know who the actual artist is that arranges/designs the notes?

[Tangri]

[QUOTE=Mark Aldebaran;226289]




The "!" (or whatever that is) has a pictured orbit as only outside of Saturn so that would not be Nibiru.

Saturn's orbit is take 30 years and it is perfect circle. if orbit ellipses speed gets slower when it get away in every distance lowering speed . at far-rest point almost stop.
calculate again

[Calz]

giovonni has graciously given the green light to post this in related threads. :thank_you2:

Check out the PDF at the bottom for some *very* interesting news:



Greetings,

This next item comes free via Michael Knight - Editor of the Earth Change Report and who also produced James "Contact Has Begun"

Is it "Comet Elenin" - or is it....."Planet X"?

That is the question - or a hundred of them.

And that's what this special free edition of a newsletter I researched and wrote this week is all about...

It's free because it is reprinted with permission from The Survival Center

whereas usually their newsletter only goes to a paid subscriber list (they pay $49.95 a year to get these weekly reports).

But we're making it available free today because it is such an important subject - including information that could prepare you for some VERY serious earth changes in the months remaining in this year.

Please consider subscribing to "Family Survival News" once you've read it...or subscribe to my free "Preparedness News" as well.

I write both, but the "Family Survival News" is what gets the most in-depth research and provides the most you can get in the way of preparedness information.


http://www.buycontacthasbegun.com/mailout/logos/384639670824579.jpg

Here's the link to download this .pdf newsletter. :thumb:
http://www.buycontacthasbegun.com/support-files/comet-elenin-planet-x-here-now.pdf

[Calz]

giovonni has graciously given the green light to post this in related threads. :thank_you2:

Check out the PDF for some *very* interesting information:



Greetings,

This next item comes free via Michael Knight - Editor of the Earth Change Report and who also produced James "Contact Has Begun"

Is it "Comet Elenin" - or is it....."Planet X"?

That is the question - or a hundred of them.

And that's what this special free edition of a newsletter I researched and wrote this week is all about...

It's free because it is reprinted with permission from The Survival Center

whereas usually their newsletter only goes to a paid subscriber list (they pay $49.95 a year to get these weekly reports).

But we're making it available free today because it is such an important subject - including information that could prepare you for some VERY serious earth changes in the months remaining in this year.

Please consider subscribing to "Family Survival News" once you've read it...or subscribe to my free "Preparedness News" as well.

I write both, but the "Family Survival News" is what gets the most in-depth research and provides the most you can get in the way of preparedness information.


http://www.buycontacthasbegun.com/mailout/logos/384639670824579.jpg

Here's the link to download this .pdf newsletter. :thumb:
http://www.buycontacthasbegun.com/support-files/comet-elenin-planet-x-here-now.pdf

[Carmody]

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so do you know who is on the craft and whether the Cradle is empty?

Two cultures, both of which, are humanoid. I don't know anything else about them.

Here is what I know - The 'Cradle of Life' and what we know as 'Pandora's Box' are one and the same thing. Depending on what the object is used for, it can be either. Both a tool for creation and a tool for destruction.

It contains genetic material of various life forms who are "programmed" to adapt to Earth conditions.

Elenin should drop it somewhere on Earth. Last time this happened was after the dinosaurs were made extinct.



A human being is a computer's way of making another computer. Yes, we are their sex organs. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_Against_the_Chtorr) - Solomon Short


Solomon Short is a trainer in a book series. A trainer of people who are about to enter into the most insane war against an invading life form that is pre-colonizing the earth with favorable genetics and forms. These forms are fully capable of waging war on the control of an environment through area denial, biologically. Not intelligent, rather communicative and cunning in methodology.


"The United States has just lost a harsh war in Pakistan"...

"Soon afterwords, a series of devastating plagues sweeps the world, killing 60% of humanity."

"Daniel Foreman: An enigmatic and harsh man who leads the Mode training courses. He teaches people how to reach their potential required to fight the Chtorr by changing in and out of "modes" and how to accept the limitations and concepts of ones own psychology. He writes articles under the name "Solomon Short" and is quoted as such at the heading of the chapters in books 3 and 4."

"Chtorran ecology was designed in large part by British reproductive biologist Jack Cohen. It is quite complete and consistent, making it hard science fiction."

[White Phoenix]

Also those four saucer shaped objects that are connected by lines to the right of it are interesting as well.There are also some broken lines involved with these objects.

These appear to be an array of lenses with light passing through. The guy on the other side of the note, Leonhard Euler (1707-1783), made important contributions in the field of optics and astronomy.


I wonder what the orange cone or bell shaped object in the background is...

Apparently this is a water turbine. Euler was also renowned for his work in mechanics and water dynamics.


Anyone know who the actual artist is that arranges/designs the notes?

This particular series of notes (6th) were designed by Ernst and Ursula Hiestand.

Interestingly, the appearance of a "comet" on the note is likely to be because there was an asteroid named after Euler in 1973 (called '2002 Euler'). However, the path of this asteroid does not correlate with the object depicted on the note at all...

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Where as our friend Elenin looks like a better match...

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[The One]

In recent years, there were more and more news about certain symbolic images or messages found in currencies all over the world. Whether this means there is an increasing number of common folks that might take their hobby to the extreme or that some people are finally aware of a secret world order, it is up to you to decide. Here are some of the most shocking images you can find on your money, if you look carefully enough.

The British £20 note and its questionable design

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In the very center of the note, there is a rose surrounded by lines merging into each other. Right beneath this detail, you can see the image of The Bank of England. By outlining different lines in this area, you can notice a whole set of geometrical figures, depicting many doubtful symbols: the pagan and satanic stars, as well as the Star of David. Put all of these findings together and you will uncover the Illuminati pyramid. Moreover, the rose and the set of stars might represent the Eye of Providence (or the “All seeing eye”) that tops the pyramid and, metaphorically, The Bank of England.

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Check out the link for more http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCIQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.advanceloan.net%2Fblog%2F2010%2F09%2Fhidden-symbols-and-messages-found-in-your-currency%2F&ei=6ezcTaTHDYq38QPZoJzuDw&usg=AFQjCNErjgoaUHKsBY8cLAJNWE2DDvW0pg

[Calz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfOfBrNUOGA&feature=related

*** adding more ***


http://www.youtube.com/user/Envylife904

[stegosaur]

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so do you know who is on the craft and whether the Cradle is empty?

Two cultures, both of which, are humanoid. I don't know anything else about them.

Here is what I know - The 'Cradle of Life' and what we know as 'Pandora's Box' are one and the same thing. Depending on what the object is used for, it can be either. Both a tool for creation and a tool for destruction.

It contains genetic material of various life forms who are "programmed" to adapt to Earth conditions.

Elenin should drop it somewhere on Earth. Last time this happened was after the dinosaurs were made extinct.

1) Was a similar box dropped at the end of the pre-Cambrian time period (hence Cambrian explosion of life)

2) Why were the dinosaurs made extinct? (Especially considering they went through the trouble of designing them on Mars then transplanting to Earth)

3) Can you confirm that the Chixiclub impact made the dinosaurs extinct?

[nearing]

http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/dwarfs.jpg

A comparison of stellar objects.

See, the difference between a red star and a brown dwarf is staggering :).

If you are talking about size, perhaps.

If you are talking about mass, that's a whole other subject. That young Brown Dwarf is considerably more massive than Jupiter even though it's size isn't all that much bigger. And in order for those temps to be where they are, that thing is surely massive.

Just according to your image there, I can see a Brown Dwarf coming to within .2 AUs of little Earth to have a HUGE impact gravitationally and magnetically.

Also, I believe if it was a Red Dwarf (bigger and luminescent) we would actually see it in skies way before now. As it is we still cannot see this thing without an infrared telescope and it is pretty close now. Hopefully by mid June, we WILL finally be able to see it.

Some more interesting info on the Brown Dwarf:

Why Cant See Dwarf Star-LUCUS (http://www.usmessageboard.com/conspiracy-theories/154857-the-planet-x-nibiru-elenin-brown-dwarf-timeline-46.html#post3400523)

LUCUS Website (http://www.rabbithole2.com/)

LUCUS Why Cant See Article (http://rabbithole2.com/news/top_news/the_destroyer_our_binary_partner_and_why_you_will_not_see_it.php)

LUCUS does not mention - Gravitational Lensing Effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_lens)

Star Formation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_formation#Low_mass_and_high_mass_star_formation)

Brown dwarf (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_dwarf)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Brown dwarfs are sub-stellar objects which are too low in mass to sustain hydrogen-1 fusion reactions in their cores, which is characteristic of stars on the main sequence. Brown dwarfs have fully convective surfaces and interiors, with no chemical differentiation by depth. Brown dwarfs occupy the mass range between that of large gas giant planets and the lowest-mass stars; this upper limit is between 75[1] and 80 Jupiter masses (MJ). Currently there is some debate as to what criterion to use to define the separation between a brown dwarf and a giant planet at very low brown dwarf masses (~13 MJ ), and whether brown dwarfs are required to have experienced fusion at some point in their history. In any event, brown dwarfs heavier than 13 MJ do fuse deuterium and those above ~65 MJ also fuse lithium. Some planets are known to orbit brown dwarfs: 2M1207b, MOA-2007-BLG-192Lb, and 2MASS J044144‎b.

>> Luminosity: Main sequence stars cool, but eventually reach a minimum luminosity which they can sustain through steady fusion. This varies from star to star, but is generally at least 0.01% the luminosity of our Sun. Brown dwarfs cool and darken steadily over their lifetimes: sufficiently old brown dwarfs will be too faint to be detectable.

A brown dwarf star, locked in a binary orbit with our Sun, would be a whole different story. It can only be seen with high power infrared telescopes.

Doomsday - Brown Dwarf Star - Lucas Part 1
HecvaM_OgI4

Doomsday Brown Dwarf Star Lucas Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkqB5RsbfYA&feature=player_embedded#at=30

Doomsday - Brown Dwarf Star - Lucas Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMnTKn2EqU0&feature=player_embedded

Doomsday - Brown Dwarf Star - Lucas Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8bXyyrOoFM&feature=related

Doomsday - Brown Dwarf Star - Lucas Part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z_sUdC36is&feature=related

Doomsday - Brown Dwarf Star - Lucas Part 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqWc_N6x7Wg&feature=related

Doomsday - Brown Dwarf Star - Lucas Part 7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jnf4NXT3nhY&feature=related

Doomsday - Brown Dwarf Star - Lucas Part 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzKeq6g8fh0&feature=related

Doomsday - Brown Dwarf Star - Lucas Part 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GR4YPR0zzU&feature=related

[Calz]

"Planet X" has as much disinfo (if not more) pumped into it than UFOs.

I think the tide is turning now as the "proof" would appear to be in the "pudding"???

Unless the data from nasa regarding elenin was a complete fabrication (and that is possible ... the lie is different at every level) it is really a slam dunk.

Comets just do *not* have that sort of impact on a planet and if that is the correct path ... we are indeed ... in deep doo doo

[yiolas]

Here is what's coming our way as seen by remote viewers (RV) -- be it Elenin/Nibiru/Brown Dwarf, you name it. It's just going to be a large object...

ZR1ypwOHLG0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR1ypwOHLG0


Much Love
Hi TruthSeeker, I recall back in the late 90's Ed Dames on Coast to Coast with Art Bell talking about the 'kill shot'. It sounded very far fetched at the time.
Are we to assume that this video talking about a large object entering our solar system and causing havoc on earth was made back then. Or is this more current, taking into account the recent discovery of 'Comet Elenin'.
I must say that it is quite chilling considering that this scenario is very plausible.
Do you think that 'Comet Elenin' is the 'event' that Ed Dames has been talking about for more than a decade ?

[Operator]

Unless the data from nasa regarding elenin was a complete fabrication (and that is possible ... the lie is different at every level) it is really a slam dunk.


It could be a good alternative possibility, thought about that myself too. If the quakes etc. are man made and the data is fabricated to coincide it could
very well serve to install fear ... so they make sure this data is found !:p

[Operator]

Do you think that 'Comet Elenin' is the 'event' that Ed Dames has been talking about for more than a decade ?

http://blog.learnremoteviewing.com/files/2010/02/EdDames.png

This is Ed Dames now .... so the video is indeed from quite a while back. He said the event would be preceded (and could be recognized) by a space shuttle
being called back to earth earlier (aborting it's mission). If that it's true then the potential for it to happen is soon.

Currently the last-but-one mission is being executed ...

The very last one is early July ...

[blufire]

You know. . . I just came up from my basement because tornados are hitting everywhere in this area today. I don’t always go to the basement when the sirens go off, I usually look at the radar and then outside to see which way the weather is going. If I went to the basement and batten down the hatches every time the weatherman says to I would never get anything done.

Today was different. There were clear reasons and substantiated fact to get my animals to safety and then myself. It was “mostly” certain that a tornado could hit where I live. In the basement is everything we need during this type of storm and everything we may need if we are actually hit.

I have been on the fence for years about all the planetx, nibiru, 2012, Mayan calendar, global change etc. I have researched, read, pondered, meditated, watched, . . . . . until I have driven myself, family and friends nuts.

I am now without hesitation ready to take action on a clear and well defined threat . . .just like using my common sense and knowledge when to take cover from tornados.

It is my very strong opinion based on all this evidence that is currently coming at us that “something” will “mostly” hit us this fall.

I am taking action . . .full blown . . . without hesitation . . . it is time to batten down the hatches and take stock.

Am I somewhat concerned that I could be making a huge mistake . . . YES!

Do I think that somewhere it the process of coming to this decision that I missed something important that would have changed this decision . . . YES!

Do I have a nagging thought in the back of my head that it is TPTB screwing with us and that I’ve been “had” . . . YES!

BUT, I knew at some point the scales would tip the other way. The way into believing that “this” is real and headed our way and will affect our way of life greatly. The scales for me have now plunked solidly on the other side.

I now have enough factual and scientific information to put my plan into action.

I know there are MANY reading this that feel the same way . . . we need to make our feelings known and act on what we know intuitively is right. We need to lead by example.

Maybe we should start a new thread of those of us who are making this decision. I will try to check Avalon as much as I can the next few days. There will be a point (very soon) when my internet ability will be highly limited.

Something I feel I should add . . . . I am a fairly high profile individual. I own a business that produces in excess of couple million a year. I have enjoyed most of the “fancy” things in life. I know I mostly talk about being an organic farmer and being from the mountains (which all is true) but I think it is important that everyone knows I am making the choice to leave the “fancy” life. I’m leaving it behind. It is meaningless.

To begin a new life with new meaning and beauty and abundance we first have to shed the old way of life, which has kept us trapped and enslaved.

Should we start a different thread?? Is anyone besides me making this choice???[/

[yiolas]

Thanks Operator, Viewing the video again, Ed Dames describes to the letter Elenin's anticipated trajectory through our solar system. He even says that this 'large body' will interject Earth's orbit twice ! Exactly what is being projected that Elenin will do. This matching of scenarios years before it's occurrence is quite extraordinary. Hello..... I think we should follow this story very seriously.

[nearing]

I am convinced too. I would welcome a new thread too.

BUT, the only action I have taken so far is to convince my son to be with me in the fall. I cannot afford yet to stock up on anything but will in summer. I honestly don't think that many will survive in 3D, even TPTW in thier bunkers. I honestly think that if anyone survives it (in 3D) it will only be because they will be lucky enough to be in a place that doesn't experience any devastating Earth changes. Where those places are is anyone's guess.

Even if one does find themselves here on the other side of this, they may not survive the radiation and/or changes in climate.

I really don't WANT to have to fight others for clean water or food, etc. Or die a slow death from radiation or cold/heat.

I am intending to leave the material world with this event and. If I have done it all right, ascend.

[yiolas]

Hi Blufire, thank-you for coming out and saying what is on everyone's minds these days whether they want to admit it or not. Just like you, I think that we have all been researching this topic for a while now. I think that it is time to get off the fence and start preparing. Better safe than sorry. Without getting into fear mode, I believe that it is prudent to make preparations now and have an exit or a protection plan in place.

This is such a large topic with hundreds of personal decisions to make. Should one stay in their geographical location or move ? What would that move entail ? Will your family and love ones follow you if you relocate ? Can one afford to quite their job and seek a safe location? If one stay's put, how can you make your home safe from what is coming down the pike? What about survival gear and supplies ?

[greybeard]

Having looked at most of the videos on this thread and else where, there certainly seems to be a lot of credible research done on the subject.
Certainly seems that there is something large looming which will come between the Sun and Earth this year.
Also the ancient legends seem to confirm a cyclic event.

So we will know all to soon.

Chris

[Rocky_Shorz]

you know it is really sad Mr X isn't here to have seen this thread...

he told all of us it is written...

wasn't it... what you think doesn't matter, we are coming...

estimated 2012

we live in very exciting times don't we...

[nearing]

you know it is really sad Mr X isn't here to have seen this thread...

he told all of us it is written...

wasn't it... what you think doesn't matter, we are coming...

estimated 2012

we live in very exciting times don't we...

We sure do! It's awesome!

[greybeard]

As a follow on I have not said one word to nearest and dearest for two reason.
(1) No point in scaring them if its not true.
(2) No point in scaring them if its true.

I have often said to friends that we should keep extra food and some money to hand in case of electrical failure that goes down reasonably well.
People accept that there are things happening that makes this advice palatable.

If its true then it would seem that there really is very little we can do,
baring having extra food and moving to higher ground when the signs get stronger.
Thats not defeatist, its being realistic

So thats my thoughts on it.

Chris

[Operator]

From Kerry's blog:


Elenin vs. Brown Dwarf - Andy Lloyd author of "Dark Star" weighs in...

There is a great deal of confusion regarding Elenin vs. the Brown Dwarf. I wrote to him and asked him to clarify:

"...sure, Kerry. I agree with you - people are excited about the hype over the alleged arrival of Planet X, and jumping to conclusions about a simple comet that, itself, is unspectacular. Let me lay out what a multi-Jupiter mass brown dwarf would look like right now if it was as close as is being speculated by many (i.e. that it's actually comet Elenin).

This Dark Star would appear in the night sky as a red/magenta planet about the same size as Jupiter. In other words, it would be one of the brightest objects in the night sky, very probably brighter than Venus. In addition, I believe that it would have a visible aura, or tail, that would be rather spectacular. That fiery aura would extend out from the planet itself by some considerable degree, possibly extending out to the very edge of the Dark Star's very considerable magnetosphere ( which would be about 4 x the moon's diameter across, or more).

The combination of the bright planet, its contingent of large moons, and in particular its fiery aura would produce the 'winged' disk' effect in the sky, like a mighty red celestial dragon.

Now I don't know about you,but when I pop outside at night to look in the direction of Elenin, I'm not seeing this at all. Frankly, that's because Elenin is a comet, and not a very good one at that. It is clearly not an incoming Dark Star/Planet X/Nibiru object.

Hope that helps :0)


Many thanks,

Andy Lloyd /unquote

Author and artist

www.darkstar1.co.uk

www.cheltenham-art.com/andylloyd.htm

www.modelmayhem.com/andylloyd

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html

So ... does this make you feel better ?

[nearing]

So ... does this make you feel better ?

Lol. I feel pretty good to begin with!

He forgets(?) that this 'comet' has been causing a gravitational/magnetic pull on the earth (earthquakes!) everytime it's mass is added to the Sun's pull on us (alignment).

No comet has the mass to do that.

[blufire]

I am sitting here reading this completely stunned. . . . .

For the past 3 to 5 years I have been having very lucid dreams and they are increasing in frequency and intensity.

Last week I dreamed of a “planet”, “sphere”, “heavenly body”. It looked like this description. I could look to my right and see the moon and then to my left or southwest and see the “sphere”.

The only difference is in my dream the “planet” was somewhat translucent and it “morphed” into two “planets”.

I have goose bumps all over AND this threw me into a raging “hot flash” . . . .thanks Operator




From Kerry's blog:


Elenin vs. Brown Dwarf - Andy Lloyd author of "Dark Star" weighs in...

There is a great deal of confusion regarding Elenin vs. the Brown Dwarf. I wrote to him and asked him to clarify:

"...sure, Kerry. I agree with you - people are excited about the hype over the alleged arrival of Planet X, and jumping to conclusions about a simple comet that, itself, is unspectacular. Let me lay out what a multi-Jupiter mass brown dwarf would look like right now if it was as close as is being speculated by many (i.e. that it's actually comet Elenin).

This Dark Star would appear in the night sky as a red/magenta planet about the same size as Jupiter. In other words, it would be one of the brightest objects in the night sky, very probably brighter than Venus. In addition, I believe that it would have a visible aura, or tail, that would be rather spectacular. That fiery aura would extend out from the planet itself by some considerable degree, possibly extending out to the very edge of the Dark Star's very considerable magnetosphere ( which would be about 4 x the moon's diameter across, or more).

The combination of the bright planet, its contingent of large moons, and in particular its fiery aura would produce the 'winged' disk' effect in the sky, like a mighty red celestial dragon.

Now I don't know about you,but when I pop outside at night to look in the direction of Elenin, I'm not seeing this at all. Frankly, that's because Elenin is a comet, and not a very good one at that. It is clearly not an incoming Dark Star/Planet X/Nibiru object.

Hope that helps :0)


Many thanks,

Andy Lloyd /unquote

Author and artist

www.darkstar1.co.uk

www.cheltenham-art.com/andylloyd.htm

www.modelmayhem.com/andylloyd

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html

So ... does this make you feel better ?

[Operator]

He forgets(?) that this 'comet' has been causing a gravitational/magnetic pull on the earth (earthquakes!) everytime it's mass is added to the Sun's pull on us (alignment).

No comet has the mass to do that.

Unless there's another scenario in play altogether, take a look at previous post: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Proof-that-Comet-Elenin-doesn-t-exists%21-We-have-Nibiru-instead%21&p=228242&viewfull=1#post228242

[nearing]

He forgets(?) that this 'comet' has been causing a gravitational/magnetic pull on the earth (earthquakes!) everytime it's mass is added to the Sun's pull on us (alignment).

No comet has the mass to do that.

Unless there's another scenario in play altogether, take a look at previous post: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Proof-that-Comet-Elenin-doesn-t-exists%21-We-have-Nibiru-instead%21&p=228242&viewfull=1#post228242

So, you mean like NASA programming the JPL software to make it 'look' like the 'comet's' alignments caused these earthquakes? Okay, I guess then we would have to ask why? If they only want to scare people, why wouldn't they come out and just announce that destruction is cOming? That would really scare us, right? Then we would also have to ask why they spent trillions of our tax money to build those underground bmkers AND all of those infrared telescopes (meant to look for a brown dwarf only), one of which they turned off within 9mos. of it going online!

No, I tend to think the JPL software is correct.

[Operator]

I know ... maybe unlikely but still a possibility. Sometimes trying to connect the dots and see if it all fits together.
You maybe right on how they would approach it. But one way to make a hoax realistic is act like if the info was
leaked by accident giving it some extra spin ... The alternative media is doing TPTB a great service recently. :gossip:

[blufire]

The one simple irrefutable fact I keep coming back to is this INSANE EXTREME WEATHER, VOLCANOS AND EARTHQUAKES.. Period.

It is increasing in intensity and frequency.

All videos, personal opinions, research, channeling, alien dialog, ancient writings, prophecy, predictions can all be torn apart, over analyzed and disputed.

We won’t know 100% sure what our future will entail until we are right smack in the middle of it.

I am not afraid or fear of what may come . . . . I’m actually excited as hell!! We live in a time of true transformation and foundational history and herstory.

[truthseekerdan]

"Planet X" has as much disinfo (if not more) pumped into it than UFOs.

I think the tide is turning now as the "proof" would appear to be in the "pudding"???

Unless the data from nasa regarding elenin was a complete fabrication (and that is possible ... the lie is different at every level) it is really a slam dunk.

Comets just do *not* have that sort of impact on a planet and if that is the correct path ... we are indeed ... in deep doo doo

Calz, better be in deep meditation to be part of the transformation (shift). :pray: :rapture:

LcX-KDPVtrg

[Carmody]

See my post in this thread. Watch the video, look closely at the lines he refers to, look at the supplied vortex/energy/grid line images. (from the vortex maps grid overlay file for Google earth)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21337-Dutchsinse-Next-Scalar-Engineered-Storm-Springfield-IL-May-25-2011&p=228559&viewfull=1#post228559

Connected to this thread, here?

Without a doubt. Figuring out exactly how..... is the key.

[loveandgratitude]

POSTED THIS ELSEWHERE - Thought it relevant -

Doomsday Is So Hard To Schedule!

The desperation of the money people is palpable. The manmade plagues were flubs. The earthquakes are not working. The tsunamis are not pounding the shorelines worldwide. The hurricanes and typhoons are not wreaking havoc. And the tornadoes are being spawned artificially by the score and they are not plunging the spirit of people into hopelessness.

A 'Great Rapture' prediction for May 21 2011 did not happen either. Polls reported just six million Americans believed in the prediction. The October, 'end of the world' prediction might have even fewer adherents.

The billionaires and trillionaires might as well pick up mud and throw it, so few of their plans are working. They have the secret technologies working with energies which could power the world for centuries aimed at faults and ocean floors and the planet will still not buckle.

They have super-computers plotting intersections of wave fronts from artificial quakes off Japan and other points on the Ring of Fire, converging under the San Andreas Fault but nothing moves. No gigantic tectonic releases have happened since March 11 2011. They have been aiming for a 9.0 Richter plus earthquakes somewhere...anywhere...but nothing has happened. The Earth has been ringing like a bell for months but the crust will not crack.

The New Madrid fault did not move at the scheduled date when a million people were practicing drills for a disaster, so they hit the whole area with HAARP frequencies and other energies causing massive tornados. Joplin Missouri was hit with an F-4 tornado because the scheduled 8.5 Richter quake did not happen in Cape Girardeau. The whole region which would have suffered by a strong quake has been pounded by tornados but still the spirits have not sunk.

The mud of fear is not sticking. The slime of depression is not being recognized. People are living their lives and helping others out of the problems not of their making. The tragedies are not acts of God and people know it. There is anger but it is still quiet and building.

There is something strong binding the crust together and the planners of doomsday cannot move against it. Soon the dark machinery will fall apart and the Earth will be free of the angry tempests of petty tyrants.

This is a replay of events which lead to the submergence of Atlantis. The same parties are trying to claim the Earth anew for their personal power and greed. There will be no chaos from which they can re-establish their hold. There will be no mass extinctions. The great teacher 'karma' is moving events in a different way so the old cycle will not be repeated. The hardest lessons will be for those who would attempt to destroy the world. The Earth will not be destroyed.

Zuerrnnovahh-Starr Livingstone

http://educate-yourself.org/zsl/doom...e24may11.shtml

[MariaDine]

Asteroid makes the news. Nasa expects it in November.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?18563-Large-Asteroid-to-Pass-Near-Earth-in-November

Namasté

[loveandgratitude]

A Flash of Insight just occurred while watching YOUTUBE Video - Nibiru...? - The Movie - Planet X Revealed .

In this movie some of the elite were told by aliens to build underground cities for the suits (ELITES) to survive. What if when they go down into their underground cities and because of Earth Changes on surface, these underground cities crumble and they are all suffocated in their man made graves.

A thought, perhaps not too pleasant but none the less all problems solved.7741

[truthseekerdan]

A Flash of Insight just occurred while watching YOUTUBE Video - Nibiru...? - The Movie - Planet X Revealed .

In this movie some of the elite were told by aliens to build underground cities for the suits (ELITES) to survive. What if when they go down into their underground cities and because of Earth Changes on surface the underground these underground cities crumble and they are all suffocated in their man made graves.

A thought, perhaps not too pleasant but none the less all problems solved.7741

I don't believe that the only problem are the "elites", but the level of consciousness humanity "operates" at the moment that allows them to be and stay in power.

[nearing]

A Flash of Insight just occurred while watching YOUTUBE Video - Nibiru...? - The Movie - Planet X Revealed .

In this movie some of the elite were told by aliens to build underground cities for the suits (ELITES) to survive. What if when they go down into their underground cities and because of Earth Changes on surface the underground these underground cities crumble and they are all suffocated in their man made graves.

A thought, perhaps not too pleasant but none the less all problems solved.7741

That is the very scenario that George Kavassilas 'sees' when he goes into the future.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

You know. . . I just came up from my basement because tornados are hitting everywhere in this area today. I don’t always go to the basement when the sirens go off, I usually look at the radar and then outside to see which way the weather is going. If I went to the basement and batten down the hatches every time the weatherman says to I would never get anything done.

Today was different. There were clear reasons and substantiated fact to get my animals to safety and then myself. It was “mostly” certain that a tornado could hit where I live. In the basement is everything we need during this type of storm and everything we may need if we are actually hit.

I have been on the fence for years about all the planetx, nibiru, 2012, Mayan calendar, global change etc. I have researched, read, pondered, meditated, watched, . . . . . until I have driven myself, family and friends nuts.

I am now without hesitation ready to take action on a clear and well defined threat . . .just like using my common sense and knowledge when to take cover from tornados.

It is my very strong opinion based on all this evidence that is currently coming at us that “something” will “mostly” hit us this fall.

I am taking action . . .full blown . . . without hesitation . . . it is time to batten down the hatches and take stock.

Am I somewhat concerned that I could be making a huge mistake . . . YES!

Do I think that somewhere it the process of coming to this decision that I missed something important that would have changed this decision . . . YES!

Do I have a nagging thought in the back of my head that it is TPTB screwing with us and that I’ve been “had” . . . YES!

BUT, I knew at some point the scales would tip the other way. The way into believing that “this” is real and headed our way and will affect our way of life greatly. The scales for me have now plunked solidly on the other side.

I now have enough factual and scientific information to put my plan into action.

I know there are MANY reading this that feel the same way . . . we need to make our feelings known and act on what we know intuitively is right. We need to lead by example.

Maybe we should start a new thread of those of us who are making this decision. I will try to check Avalon as much as I can the next few days. There will be a point (very soon) when my internet ability will be highly limited.

Something I feel I should add . . . . I am a fairly high profile individual. I own a business that produces in excess of couple million a year. I have enjoyed most of the “fancy” things in life. I know I mostly talk about being an organic farmer and being from the mountains (which all is true) but I think it is important that everyone knows I am making the choice to leave the “fancy” life. I’m leaving it behind. It is meaningless.

To begin a new life with new meaning and beauty and abundance we first have to shed the old way of life, which has kept us trapped and enslaved.

Should we start a different thread?? Is anyone besides me making this choice???[/

Sir, your sentiments resonate heavily with me. The difference between us however, is that i'm a stubborn bastard who REFUSES to live in fear. Yes, i have stored water being that I live in the desert (90 days worth). But I feel not threatened nor fearful about this in any way. I remain happy day to day, I remain excited in my outlook. I always try to elevate the vibrational level of my existence, in a way. Point being, be prepared, but don't let your beliefs stress you in any way, get your stuff together (so if and when that day comes, you're ready for it) and forget about it really; you must be able to detach yourself from it all a bit because your life is going by you right now, as is mine. The beauty is right in our faces, right now.. The mind serves the soul, not the other way around.:If staying updated about Elenin enhances you, continue to monitor its approach. If this kinda stuff drains you, shed it like old skin. Its a constant battle for me and i can respect your perspective, peace man.

[greybeard]

Two suns?
The recent pictures of two suns confuse me, in that Planet X is not thought to emit light.
If the photographs are genuine then the second sun would have to be at least as large as the current sun.
Thoughts on this appreciated.

Chris

[Calz]

I am convinced too. I would welcome a new thread too.

BUT, the only action I have taken so far is to convince my son to be with me in the fall. I cannot afford yet to stock up on anything but will in summer. I honestly don't think that many will survive in 3D, even TPTW in thier bunkers. I honestly think that if anyone survives it (in 3D) it will only be because they will be lucky enough to be in a place that doesn't experience any devastating Earth changes. Where those places are is anyone's guess.

Even if one does find themselves here on the other side of this, they may not survive the radiation and/or changes in climate.

I really don't WANT to have to fight others for clean water or food, etc. Or die a slow death from radiation or cold/heat.

I am intending to leave the material world with this event and. If I have done it all right, ascend.

I have heard from very spiritually "connected" people that there will be "safe zones".

I can offer no "proof" ... I can recount a story I heard (again no "proof") that there were some people that lived through one of the nuke bombs in Japan by staying inside a church. The whole area (city for that matter) was roasted yet that particular church was unscathed.

Never forget we are living in an illusion (holographic if you will).

Worst comes to worst Mama Earth will be fine (she could really use a little relaxation time) ... and all our "souls" will be fine. I expect "humanity" ... either this version or the next "iteration" will be fine as well.

As always ... IMHO

[Calz]

Sir, your sentiments resonate heavily with me. The difference between us however, is that i'm a stubborn bastard who REFUSES to live in fear. Yes, i have stored water being that I live in the desert (90 days worth). But I feel not threatened nor fearful about this in any way. I remain happy day to day, I remain excited in my outlook. I always try to elevate the vibrational level of my existence, in a way. Point being, be prepared, but don't let your beliefs stress you in any way, get your stuff together (so if and when that day comes, you're ready for it) and forget about it really; you must be able to detach yourself from it all a bit because your life is going by you right now, as is mine. The beauty is right in our faces, right now.. The mind serves the soul, not the other way around.:If staying updated about Elenin enhances you, continue to monitor its approach. If this kinda stuff drains you, shed it like old skin. Its a constant battle for me and i can respect your perspective, peace man.

Good approach.

I have a couple months food and water stored but that is about it. Not one of the millionaires who have the option of building a bunker ... so what are you going to do???

Truth be told I am very excited to see what comes of this. I am tired of trying to "figure it all out" and tired of waiting.

At worst we cross dimensions and have a nice vacation and learn all about what we did correctly (or not) with the lessons we came here with this time around.

[Calz]

So ... does this make you feel better ?

Lol. I feel pretty good to begin with!

He forgets(?) that this 'comet' has been causing a gravitational/magnetic pull on the earth (earthquakes!) everytime it's mass is added to the Sun's pull on us (alignment).

No comet has the mass to do that.

At this point we can safely narrow this down to 3 possibilities:

1) Dwarf.

2) Unnatural "comet" that has "intelligently navigated the asteroid belt (draw your own conclusions there).

3) An extraordinarily well done psyop. This is possible but based on the boneheaded psyops gone by a really really long stretch.

IMHO

[norman]

Two suns?
The recent pictures of two suns confuse me, in that Planet X is not thought to emit light.
If the photographs are genuine then the second sun would have to be at least as large as the current sun.
Thoughts on this appreciated.

Chris

A thought for Chris,

a second sun could be dark most of the time but burst into life when it gets close to the other one.


Strangely, when I was very young I picked up a paperpack somewhere and I read about a visitor from Venus who came to tell us that a second sun was aproaching and would be seen in our lifetimes. I assumed it was bogus fiction but I'd like to remember what that book was and re read it.

Does anyone here happen to know what that paperback book was?

[Calz]

See my post in this thread. Watch the video, look closely at the lines he refers to, look at the supplied vortex/energy/grid line images. (from the vortex maps grid overlay file for Google earth)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21337-Dutchsinse-Next-Scalar-Engineered-Storm-Springfield-IL-May-25-2011&p=228559&viewfull=1#post228559

Connected to this thread, here?

Without a doubt. Figuring out exactly how..... is the key.

Thanks Carmody ... you always bring a wonderful perspective.

So are you suggesting this is all being manipulated via scalar, haarp (or whatever) ... or a natural energetic phenomenon of the part of the universe that the solar system is heading into???

If manipulated then that *could* suggest erroneous data from nasa to allow for "plausible deniability" when the Elenin alignments happen.

Hmmm.

Based on past psyops ... hard to believe but possilbe. 9/11 was rather "clever" in some respects (totally boneheaded in others).

Care to elaborate???

[Calz]

A Flash of Insight just occurred while watching YOUTUBE Video - Nibiru...? - The Movie - Planet X Revealed .

In this movie some of the elite were told by aliens to build underground cities for the suits (ELITES) to survive. What if when they go down into their underground cities and because of Earth Changes on surface the underground these underground cities crumble and they are all suffocated in their man made graves.

A thought, perhaps not too pleasant but none the less all problems solved.7741

Grab some popcorn (a few months worth) :haha:

:pop2::pop2::pop2:

Show is about to start. Don't think it will be too long before we find out (one way or another).

[Calz]

As a follow on I have not said one word to nearest and dearest for two reason.
(1) No point in scaring them if its not true.
(2) No point in scaring them if its true.

I have often said to friends that we should keep extra food and some money to hand in case of electrical failure that goes down reasonably well.
People accept that there are things happening that makes this advice palatable.

If its true then it would seem that there really is very little we can do,
baring having extra food and moving to higher ground when the signs get stronger.
Thats not defeatist, its being realistic

So thats my thoughts on it.

Chris

Hi Chris

Always good to see your smiling face and hear the good words of your wisdom :yes4:

[stdante]

Show is about to start. Don't think it will be too long before we find out (one way or another).

can anyone tell in about how long concret evidences will be big enough to end the debate ? :confused:
one way or another...
(weeks, months... ?)

thank you

[Calz]

Show is about to start. Don't think it will be too long before we find out (one way or another).

can anyone tell in about how long concret evidences will be big enough to end the debate ? :confused:
one way or another...
(weeks, months... ?)

thank you

If the data from nasa is correct then it will be very very near earth this fall.

If it is a dwarf then we will know for sure well before then ... mid summer perhaps.

[Operator]

Two suns?
The recent pictures of two suns confuse me, in that Planet X is not thought to emit light.
If the photographs are genuine then the second sun would have to be at least as large as the current sun.
Thoughts on this appreciated.

Chris

Hi Chris,

I am personally not worried by those pictures. I always wonder why people assume that a 2nd sun should be close to our sun ?
The biggest chance you have is that they just photographed a lens flare.

Consider this ... they claim for years now that there is something close to (the direction of) our sun. If this would be true it stays in the direction
of our sun. This means it would be in an orbit with the same speed as earth and it is either much smaller than our sun while closer or it might be
bigger but a lot farther than our sun. In any case it's apparently in a permanent non-perturbing position.

Op.

[truthseekerdan]

I believe that no one knows exactly how this "event" it's going to unfold, that includes NASA, the elites, etc. It never happened before, at least not in our lifetimes or in the recorded public known history.
All one can rely on are ancient texts (scriptures, etc), and prophecies that don't go into too much detail either...

11. "There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven."

25. "There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26. People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken."

Luke 21:11; Luke 21:25-26 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2021:11,%2025-26&version=NIV)

[Carmody]

and there will be another one after that, if their plans are not fully in place. Anything to keep you distracted, so you don't go out and actually fix this mess we are in.

For your fate is not determined by a ball of whatever in space, it is determined through your lack of involvement in the stoppage of their plans ---which are going forward day by day.

You are going to have to do both.

Worry about this... and take direct physical actions that stop the threat of their imminent takeover of humanity on totalitarian terms.

What this whole thing does (the subject of this thread), at the very least, it freezes you out of action.

Think about it. The only way to take the fear out of the future is to be active about it today. And being afraid of some ball in the sky most certainly does keep the monkey inside (each of us) full of fear and out of any sort of physical action.

There is no reason that both states cannot be true. As a matter of fact, history is full of them (similar situations).

Battles and wars are won, not due to organization... but due to a fault in organization and orientation of the one given party. In most cases, the organization and attention of the one party is disturbed by the other.

[Carmody]

See my post in this thread. Watch the video, look closely at the lines he refers to, look at the supplied vortex/energy/grid line images. (from the vortex maps grid overlay file for Google earth)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21337-Dutchsinse-Next-Scalar-Engineered-Storm-Springfield-IL-May-25-2011&p=228559&viewfull=1#post228559

Connected to this thread, here?

Without a doubt. Figuring out exactly how..... is the key.

Thanks Carmody ... you always bring a wonderful perspective.

So are you suggesting this is all being manipulated via scalar, haarp (or whatever) ... or a natural energetic phenomenon of the part of the universe that the solar system is heading into???

If manipulated then that *could* suggest erroneous data from nasa to allow for "plausible deniability" when the Elenin alignments happen.

Hmmm.

Based on past psyops ... hard to believe but possilbe. 9/11 was rather "clever" in some respects (totally boneheaded in others).

Care to elaborate???

I found this yesterday at the exact same time, there are two follow up posts, this is the second. For example will, intent, and karma.

The energy lines (which wyndryer and I decided in one thread) are used for travel. I'm primarily electrical in nature (huge Uranus influence,and Uranus rules electricity) So I can travel down the fields around electrical lines.

So we may be looking at some of the return Karma for messing up the Middle East. ie, 'innocence' and 'ignorance' is a facade and lie we like to tell ourselves.

So, say one is (a country) creating bad bad vibes in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Afghanistan..and the return shot is the destruction in Joplin, for example. Who knows. A lot of angry people in the middle east. Angry of the ignorance of the middle state population. Lord knows I can access that energy on my own and so can YOU.

It is just that the energy vortex lines do travel through the middle east. and the blue ghost tunnel IS on a grid line and note my stories about being born on a grid line. Ley line action is everywhere and discovering that a grid line or two connects the us middle to the middle east, is, in that context..fascinating at the least.

But, it get even freakier. Here's my latest post in that thread.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21337-Dutchsinse-Next-Scalar-Engineered-Storm-Springfield-IL-May-25-2011&p=229559&viewfull=1#post229559

[loveandgratitude]

How beautiful

7774

[nearing]

Two suns?
The recent pictures of two suns confuse me, in that Planet X is not thought to emit light.
If the photographs are genuine then the second sun would have to be at least as large as the current sun.
Thoughts on this appreciated.

Chris

The photos od 'two suns' so far are not real. I think all of them are lens flare. I can walk outside with my phone camera right now and duplicate one. It's easy. People who post them as real are either VERY dumb about photography or are frauds.

You cannot see the Dwarf Star with naked eye yet. By mid June backyard telescopes should be able to see it though. Then we will see some REAL photos of it.

It doesn't emit light but as it comes into our solar system (mid June) it will reflect the Sun's light, just as the planets do.

[nearing]

I am convinced too. I would welcome a new thread too.

BUT, the only action I have taken so far is to convince my son to be with me in the fall. I cannot afford yet to stock up on anything but will in summer. I honestly don't think that many will survive in 3D, even TPTW in thier bunkers. I honestly think that if anyone survives it (in 3D) it will only be because they will be lucky enough to be in a place that doesn't experience any devastating Earth changes. Where those places are is anyone's guess.

Even if one does find themselves here on the other side of this, they may not survive the radiation and/or changes in climate.

I really don't WANT to have to fight others for clean water or food, etc. Or die a slow death from radiation or cold/heat.

I am intending to leave the material world with this event and. If I have done it all right, ascend.

I have heard from very spiritually "connected" people that there will be "safe zones".

I can offer no "proof" ... I can recount a story I heard (again no "proof") that there were some people that lived through one of the nuke bombs in Japan by staying inside a church. The whole area (city for that matter) was roasted yet that particular church was unscathed.

Never forget we are living in an illusion (holographic if you will).

Worst comes to worst Mama Earth will be fine (she could really use a little relaxation time) ... and all our "souls" will be fine. I expect "humanity" ... either this version or the next "iteration" will be fine as well.

As always ... IMHO

There may be safe zones here and there, but the Aftertime may not be survivable. Or it may be survivable but a VERY rough life.

The fact that our souls will be fine is the reason I would rather leave the body than stay behind...:thumb:

[DoubleHelix]

Some food for thought from a well respected man who was certainly 'in the know'


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrBir1SLz9Y

[Billy]

Have you Guys seen this.

http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2011/05/comet-elenin-white-house-letter.html

We have previously reported how Planetary Alignments with Comet Elenin Causing Big Earthquakes. And about Comet Elenin HUGE MASS, as objects with smaller mass having short elliptic al Orbit, from 2 up to 1000 years or so, like Asteroids or Comets.The fact that Elenin comet (C2010 X1 ) enters our solar system close to the ecliptic with a Period of ~11’800 Years (Long Period Orbit), makes this Object very dangerous. read it all

In latest development now we learns 10 page letter is already out on the web since October 2010, which proves that US NASA and the White House know about ELENIN and consider it “a real threat” (On October 11, 2011 Elenin will be only 0.246au away from Earth; that’s a quarter of the distance to the sun.) it`s possible even more dangerous against earth than we understand.

They are calculating and preparing to if possible take action against this Comet. John Holdren, director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, or OSTP, outlines plans for “(A) protecting the United States from a near-Earth object that is expected to collide with Earth.

Interestingly, Comet C/2010 X1 (Elenin) was only “discovered” by civilian Leonid Elenin on December 10, 2010, in the official White House letter below, written back in late October 2010, the White House addressed the possibility of an Comet/Asteroid striking the Earth.
The terminology used in this letter, along with several other facts that have emerged in the time since the letter was written, lead us to believe that our “shadow” government and elements within NASA have long known that anticipated effects of the arrival of Comet Elenin would indeed be much greater than they are telling the public.

In fact, we believe that the White House letter below may be the “smoking gun” to help prove that the government indeed does know that the potential consequences facing planet Earth from this comet will be far more disastrous than what they are “officially” telling the public.




http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/microsites/ostp/ostp-letter-neos-house.pdf

Quote from article

In breaking down this letter, it’s important to address several questions that have since more recent information come to light.

After the letter above clearly shows how important it is to monitor such incoming objects due to their propensity to “change” orbit?

Why was it that NASA turned off the granddaddy of all NEO (Near Earth Objects) telescopes & SETI ATA this year.

Flashback Quote:

The WISE spacecraft will remain in hibernation without ground contacts awaiting possible future use.
Feb. 17, 2011 Space.com

The SETI ATA has been in hibernation - a safe mode of sorts, where “the equipment is unavailable for normal observations since April 15, 2011. Universetoday.com

Why are we not getting any straight information from mainstream media about Comet Elenin 2011 while most Google searches on Elenin will bring you straight to the alternative news sites throughout the world?

[Vince]

Hello there :)
I don't know quite yet what to think about all this, my opinion about this possible incoming huge body in our solar system is not set.
But something is puzzling me and it's quite a simple "could be" evidence : The 10 francs bill from the switzerland national bank.
To be more specific the sixth version which was put in circulation as long ago as 1976 and which is clearly showing on it's back a map of our solar system, including the obvious "in orange" orbit of an unknown (for the masses at least) body at the time. Seems that comet Elenin itself is also shown in the upper part of that orbit. More info here :

http://www.snb.ch/en/iabout/cash/history/id/cash_history_serie6

and for a more accurate depiction, here :

http://mahamudras.blogspot.com/2011/05/nibiru-on-swiss-franc.html

Someone on that last site comments and says that the planets position on the bill does match the one they should occupy on the 26 september of 2011.
If proven true, might as well confirm that some people in the higher financial spheres have been waiting for that event for a long time.

[JoeNashville]

Wow, that Ed Dames video is incredible! At least 15 years old? ... and precisely describes where we are now. And I like his attitude about it. It's serious, deal with it, we're all in this together.




can anyone tell in about how long concret evidences will be big enough to end the debate ? :confused:
one way or another... (weeks, months... ?)

thank you

June 14. Is that soon enough? IF the NASA data is real and at this point it is the only prima fascia evidence that this whole thing is real, the next significant date is June 14. While I'm not predicting anything, if this thing is real we should see a quake way beyond anything we've see so far.

The first quake on the New Madrid fault already happened(yesterday) and no one noticed! lol

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Maps/10/270_35.php







So ... does this make you feel better ?

Lol. I feel pretty good to begin with!

He forgets(?) that this 'comet' has been causing a gravitational/magnetic pull on the earth (earthquakes!) everytime it's mass is added to the Sun's pull on us (alignment).

No comet has the mass to do that.

At this point we can safely narrow this down to 3 possibilities:

1) Dwarf.

2) Unnatural "comet" that has "intelligently navigated the asteroid belt (draw your own conclusions there).

3) An extraordinarily well done psyop. This is possible but based on the boneheaded psyops gone by a really really long stretch.

IMHO


That about sums it up, although for clarity:

1) A dwarf star/sun could easily be bringing 1 or more bodies in orbit with it! Could be that's what we are 'seeing' so far.

2) According to Plasma Cosmology/Electric Universe theory comets are electrical and that would go a long way to explain much the recently documented activity of comets and the sun.

3) To me this is the most intriguing part of this whole thing. If this is a psyop/MISO what is the endgame? To be sure if it is, it's a huge (and expensive) operation. There are multiple websites, multiple personalities and hundreds of shills covering most every post on the web about it. But one could make a great case for that.

I have been pondering this. If NASA did that, they went to a lot of trouble to create alignment dates that correspond to Earth events. And there are a ton of them, many more than most people realize. All I can figure is they are using those past dates to point to future dates that also correspond to the data of ELEnin. The creepiest dates are that it crosses the ecliptic and perigee on 9/11. This may be THE ONLY instance of concurring events. Also, future alignment dates(like the ones causing massive quakes the last 2 years) occur on 11/22(I like conspiracy, but not coincidence!) and 12/21/12. There are many more dates of interest. I won't list them all here.

My thinking is that the NASA data is a cryptic warning about future dates based on past dates, but it's hard to figure that out. I'm glad time is short, I'm ready to get on with it! :eek:

[Billy]

Hello there :)
I don't know quite yet what to think about all this, my opinion about this possible incoming huge body in our solar system is not set.
But something is puzzling me and it's quite a simple "could be" evidence : The 10 francs bill from the switzerland national bank.
To be more specific the sixth version which was put in circulation as long ago as 1976 and which is clearly showing on it's back a map of our solar system, including the obvious "in orange" orbit of an unknown (for the masses at least) body at the time. Seems that comet Elenin itself is also shown in the upper part of that orbit. More info here :

http://www.snb.ch/en/iabout/cash/history/id/cash_history_serie6

and for a more accurate depiction, here :

http://mahamudras.blogspot.com/2011/05/nibiru-on-swiss-franc.html

Someone on that last site comments and says that the planets position on the bill does match the one they should occupy on the 26 september of 2011.
If proven true, might as well confirm that some people in the higher financial spheres have been waiting for that event for a long time.

And here also

http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2011/05/nibiru-on-switzerland-and-iraq.html

[nearing]

Vince:
Someone on that last site comments and says that the planets position on the bill does match the one they should occupy on the 26 september of 2011.

If you are talking about the Iraqi one, they show the orbit but not that actual body so I can't see how it would be the alignment on Sept 26. Having said that, I think just the orbit itself being there is damning evidence that they have known all along and have kept it from us.

[Vince]

Actually i'm talking about the Swiss one ;)

[nearing]

Actually i'm talking about the Swiss one ;)

Ah, well, when I go back and look at them, I realize that I am speaking of the Swiss one as well! There is no body on that orbit.

And if that blue ribbon is supposed to be the body, it certainly isn't where the Dwarf Star will be in September, it will be MUCH closer to the Earth.

[MorningSong]

Let's just compare:


http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/orbits/images/test900.gif

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Dd-4AmTrlSM/TdOYaT1MbhI/AAAAAAAACFw/6y9EtWdI6E4/s1600/Niburu%2BSwiss%2BCurrency.jpg

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/orbits/images/test71.gif

Now look at this:

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/orbits/images/test9069.gif

[Mark Aldebaran]

Apparently it's not only the Reverend Camping that lives in a fairytale eschatological countdown. That 10 Swiss francs bill is all over the internet and it's nonsense. The last time Saturn and Jupiter were in that approximate configuration was 1736. (It would be nice if it was 1707 as that's when Euler was born. But nothing like. There was a comet in 1736, and that was also the year that Halley proposed his eponymous comet.) What little we know about Comet Elenin is buried under some pretty silly conjecture.
http://macflowerpot.com/images/1736.png
Go to JPL and run the the animation. The next time Saturn and Jupiter line up like that is after AD 2200, which is as far as the applet goes.
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=Elenin&orb=1
Here is the high rez image again:
http://macflowerpot.com/images/euler12.jpg

It just occurred to me (over a cheesecake talking to my patent attorney in Denny's at 1am) that I made a couple of assumptions here. And that is that orbital diagrams have a convention (like Cartesian World coordinates or something) and that both NASA and the note artist are following them. (I know nothing about astronomy, even though that is more than half of YouTube.)

Let's assume NASA know what they're doing and view is from above the planetary plane and the top is Galactic North (or whatever). Assuming the artist is also looking from above, as the note is a rectangle that gives us four plausible orientations, of which one is the most likely. (Note stood on the end with writing and symbols the correct orientation.) That isn't the one above, as I was copying the note orientation used in a youtube video (silly me). I'll run that other angle and report back. Plus I actually know a full-time real astronomer (works here at the Space Coast BCC Planetarium/Telescope thingy) so I'll bounce this off him.

[nearing]

Yeah, I don't think they were trying to depict the orbits to scale. Maybe that would have taken up too much landscape on the bill. But the orange orbit certainly looks like it represents 'Elenin's' orbit by the way it is so elliptical and comes in so close to Sun. Looks like a Binary Star.

[Arrowwind]

Now I dont know much about this topic.. but after listening to Hoagland just now I decided to look into Elenin a little and I came across this..

its very intereesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqV0StQbJQs&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqV0StQbJQs&feature=player_embedded)

[witchy1]

Perhaps one way to be definitive would be to check with all the prime ministers and presidents (and other elite) and see if they would be available between October 17th and November 23rd this year to attend an event (top side of course)

Is there any way of knowing their agenda in advance?????

[norman]

Perhaps one way to be definitive would be to check with all the prime ministers and presidents (and other elite) and see if they would be available between October 17th and November 23rd this year to attend an event (top side of course)

Is there any way of knowing their agenda in advance?????

I think, if we asked, they would lie. Don't you?

[jack]

Ok Guys, I would like to state up front that I am not a photographer.
I was doing weekend gardening today when I recalled reading somewhere that one could capture an image of planet x if they photographed the sun using the negative setting. Well, I decided to try it with my phone camera. I have Nokia 6303i classic. I wasn't even sure if it had such a setting. Lo and Behold it not only has a negative setting but something else as well called 'solara'.
I proceeded to take a picture of the sun at approximately 4pm Cyprus time using the normal setting which you can see in the first picture. Then tried it in the solara setting and then in the negative setting. I just wanted to settle this in my midn once and for all. I was astounded to say the least when I looked at what I had captured. I'm not saying that it is Nibiru, but look for yourselves and you tell me what that image is at the 5 o'clock position below the sun. Better yet try it yourselves. If I can do it with my very basic phone camera, any one can.

Please tell me what you think it is. The weirdest thing is that the object is not a regular smooth ball, but appears to have wings !

(picture taken at normal setting)
5856

Picture taken in the 'solara setting'
5854

Picture taken in the 'negative setting'
5853

That would be Nibiru orbiting your Dandelions.

[jack]

These piccies are pretty amazing Yiola ... they look very real to me...and the shape of the image seems to be spot on ...

Waiting to hear what others have to say ...

viking
Viking, I'm getting spooked out here.
I was sort of resigned to the fact that what I captured yesterday was some kind of photographic glitch. But as I continued my gardening today, I decided to take one more shot at the sun. It was a bright sunny day here in Cyprus and the sun was still high up in the sky around 3 pm. I was standing in front of trellis and with my cell phone camera on the 'negative setting' again, I aimed up and took a shot of the sun . It was so bright outside that I really could not see what the picture looked like at the time. It's dark now and I just came in side and decided to upload the picture onto my computer.
The object under the sun is still clearly there. Please, will someone just go outside and take a picture of the sun and put your camera on the negative setting.
I would really like to get to the bottom of this.

Hi Yiolis, from sunny Slovakia.

We are probably getting as much sun as you guys, its been a real cracker of a summer for 'spring' here this year.

If i could suggest somthing that would put your mind at rest and help you out in any future efforts to photograph the sun try this ; Take a piece of cardboard and cover the sun whilst taking a picture. If it is a photographic anomoly caused by a refraction of the light from the sun on the lense of your camera it will dissapear. If it is a celestial object it will remain when the sun is completely covered.

[jack]

Apparently it's not only the Reverend Camping that lives in a fairytale eschatological countdown. That 10 Swiss francs bill is all over the internet and it's nonsense. The last time Saturn and Jupiter were in that approximate configuration was 1736. (It would be nice if it was 1707 as that's when Euler was born. But nothing like. There was a comet in 1736, and that was also the year that Halley proposed his eponymous comet.) What little we know about Comet Elenin is buried under some pretty silly conjecture.
http://macflowerpot.com/images/1736.png
Go to JPL and run the the animation. The next time Saturn and Jupiter line up like that is after AD 2200, which is as far as the applet goes.
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=Elenin&orb=1
Here is the high rez image again:

http://macflowerpot.com/images/euler12.jpg

It just occurred to me (over a cheesecake talking to my patent attorney in Denny's at 1am) that I made a couple of assumptions here. And that is that orbital diagrams have a convention (like Cartesian World coordinates or something) and that both NASA and the note artist are following them. (I know nothing about astronomy, even though that is more than half of YouTube.)

Let's assume NASA know what they're doing and view is from above the planetary plane and the top is Galactic North (or whatever). Assuming the artist is also looking from above, as the note is a rectangle that gives us four plausible orientations, of which one is the most likely. (Note stood on the end with writing and symbols the correct orientation.) That isn't the one above, as I was copying the note orientation used in a youtube video (silly me). I'll run that other angle and report back. Plus I actually know a full-time real astronomer (works here at the Space Coast BCC Planetarium/Telescope thingy) so I'll bounce this off him.

About the last picture there ;

2002 Euler is an asteroid named after the Swiss mathematician and physicist Leonhard Euler. The asteroid was discovered on August 29, 1973.

Euler helped develop the Euler–Bernoulli beam equation, which became a cornerstone of engineering. Aside from successfully applying his analytic tools to problems in classical mechanics, Euler also applied these techniques to celestial problems. His work in astronomy was recognized by a number of Paris Academy Prizes over the course of his career. His accomplishments include determining with great accuracy the orbits of comets and other celestial bodies, understanding the nature of comets, and calculating the parallax of the sun.

He is the guy who's face is printed on the back of that Swiss Banknote.


What concerns me, or at least arises curiosity in my mind is the fact that the United States government has been building underground bases since the 1950's.

The Russians are 'rushing' to build 5,000 underground shelters with a maximum enddate for completion 'sometime before 2012' - This will enable them to house the entire population of Moscow given an apporpriate disaster in the future.

A man called John Moore claims to be very concerned about the future of mankind after he received maps of a future America plotted by the United States Marine Corps given to him by various members of high level military. His video for those interested is here ;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpbiuKTtMZo

I could go on ... BUT.. I'm not quite sure that this is going to happen on this level of dimensional existance. I am a firm believer that there is as many dimensions of earthly existance as there are human beings determined by our level of vibration and our overall level of consciousness. So this may be relevent and it may not, I guess time will tell.

[kersley]

Ok Guys, I would like to state up front that I am not a photographer.
I was doing weekend gardening today when I recalled reading somewhere that one could capture an image of planet x if they photographed the sun using the negative setting. Well, I decided to try it with my phone camera. I have Nokia 6303i classic. I wasn't even sure if it had such a setting. Lo and Behold it not only has a negative setting but something else as well called 'solara'.
I proceeded to take a picture of the sun at approximately 4pm Cyprus time using the normal setting which you can see in the first picture. Then tried it in the solara setting and then in the negative setting. I just wanted to settle this in my midn once and for all. I was astounded to say the least when I looked at what I had captured. I'm not saying that it is Nibiru, but look for yourselves and you tell me what that image is at the 5 o'clock position below the sun. Better yet try it yourselves. If I can do it with my very basic phone camera, any one can.

Please tell me what you think it is. The weirdest thing is that the object is not a regular smooth ball, but appears to have wings !

(picture taken at normal setting)
5856

Picture taken in the 'solara setting'
5854

Picture taken in the 'negative setting'
5853

Sorry to burst your bubble, But this is just the way light bounce in your camera. i tried this myself after hearing the same. and i got the same image. But if you move your camera slightly to different angle. the said object with wings, will move position. by changing the angle, you can make that object be in any position around the sun. How can this be anything but light tricks on the eyes?
k

[yiolas]

Marshall Masters has come out again with a very interesting and enlightening radio program about Comet Elenin. In this panel discussion they explore the possibility that Elenin is more of a harbinger to the real event coming in right after it. Here's the program description:

PLANET X SPECIAL REPORT with MARSHALL MASTERS: Comet Elenin - The End Times Harbinger of Sumerian, Hebrew and Hopi Prophecy?

GUESTS: Richard St. Laurent and Richard Shaw
In his article Is Comet Elenin a Decoy?, author and host Marshall Masters raised the possibility that Comet Elenin could be a decoy for the elites, but now there is yet another theory that goes deeper into explaining the possible motives for these decoy manipulations. That the true nature of Comet Elenin is being heavily suppressed by ruling elites because it is the end times harbinger predicted by ancient Sumerian, Hebrew and Hopi prophecy!

According to Yowusa.com researcher Richard St. Laurent, there is a clear and dramatic convergence of prophecy with Comet Elenin. One that reveals it as the Hopi Blue Star Kachina that precedes the dreaded Red Kachina. The very same object we're warned about in newly revealed Torah Codes.Yet most chilling is the warning of the ancient Sumerians according to the translations of Zecharia Sitchin. That its appearance will mark the beginning of the next Middle East war, if not World War III, and that it will begin with a briefly absent moon.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/yowradio/2011/05/25/comet-elenin--the-end-times-harbinger/scrub/

[Lettherebelight]

Just in case those interested in Elenin haven't heard Richard Hoagland's take on this upcoming event, listen to the last few minutes of part one...veeery interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n9e4mtXSa4&feature=channel_video_title

-n9e4mtXSa4

[truthseekerdan]

According to Dr. Calleman latest article, Elenin is the Blue Star (Blue Kachina) prophesied by the Hopi's. Below I included the link to the article:

http://www.calleman.com/content/articles/Frequency_increase_Ninth_Wave.htm

[Arrowwind]

Now aint it a hoot that that crazy preacher who predicted the end of the world on May 21 changed his story to October 21?

[nearing]

Marshall Masters has come out again with a very interesting and enlightening radio program about Comet Elenin. In this panel discussion they explore the possibility that Elenin is more of a harbinger to the real event coming in right after it. Here's the program description:

PLANET X SPECIAL REPORT with MARSHALL MASTERS: Comet Elenin - The End Times Harbinger of Sumerian, Hebrew and Hopi Prophecy?

GUESTS: Richard St. Laurent and Richard Shaw

In his article Is Comet Elenin a Decoy?, author and host Marshall Masters raised the possibility that Comet Elenin could be a decoy for the elites, but now there is yet another theory that goes deeper into explaining the possible motives for these decoy manipulations. That the true nature of Comet Elenin is being heavily suppressed by ruling elites because it is the end times harbinger predicted by ancient Sumerian, Hebrew and Hopi prophecy!

According to Yowusa.com researcher Richard St. Laurent, there is a clear and dramatic convergence of prophecy with Comet Elenin. One that reveals it as the Hopi Blue Star Kachina that precedes the dreaded Red Kachina. The very same object we're warned about in newly revealed Torah Codes.Yet most chilling is the warning of the ancient Sumerians according to the translations of Zecharia Sitchin. That its appearance will mark the beginning of the next Middle East war, if not World War III, and that it will begin with a briefly absent moon.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/yowradio/2011/05/25/comet-elenin--the-end-times-harbinger/scrub/

Hi Yiolas, is this another panel discussion on ELENIN? I know he had one a few weeks ago too.

[yiolas]

Hi Nearing, Marshall conducts his interviews in discussion format. Therefore, it is a discussion with his two quests Richard Shaw, director of 'Watchers 2' dealing with the Torah Code and its relevance to current events and Richard St. Laurent a researcher of Hopy and Biblical Prophecy relating to 2012.

[JoeNashville]

According to Dr. Calleman latest article, Elenin is the Blue Star (Blue Kachina) prophesied by the Hopi's. Below I included the link to the article:

http://www.calleman.com/content/articles/Frequency_increase_Ninth_Wave.htm

I didn't see a specific reference to the Blue Katchina, only a vague reference to a time indicated by the Mayan Calender... did I miss it?

But wow, what Calleman has written is almost purely religious pathology. I couldn't disagree more strongly with Calleman's idea that we should 'surrender' to the divine. His theory that what 'we' have done is not an accurate reflection of history. 'We' the people or most of the sheeple have been letting tptb make policy to the extent that the current situation is the result of their manipulations of events in order to control the world, while most of the people keep their eyes closed.

I would argue that 'we' need to take control back from tptb and their manipulations in order to set a new course and make the world a better place. The way to do that is to live in a higher consciousness in the form of people making decisions and taking actions in and of themselves rather than being manipulated by religion, politicians, pop culture or anything else. That will create a unifying consciousness, then the rest will take care of itself. That makes much more sense to me, especially as an interpretation of a Hopi prophecy.

How does surrendering to the divine make us co-creators of anything? It makes us slaves... again. I've been waiting my whole life for others to wake up and take a more co-creative stance in making the world a better place. If people follow Calleman's idea it will break my heart. We will simply roll over into another dead brain cycle of slavery and I don't think that's what the Hopi had in mind at all.

The vast majority of people want to live in peace and enjoy their lives, but the world does not reflect that. So sadly, I think chaos and pain are a necessary intervention to wake people up to the fact that their desires have been ignored, misrepresented, manipulated and dumped on. Only when people get mad enough to take action in terms of demanding that their desires are acted on, will co-creation in terms of real change lead to a better future. When things collapse, 'surrendering to the Divine' that tptb create, will keep up traveling down the same road controlled by tptb for all of recent history and is the stupidest thing we could do.

Attending any of these rallies is perfectly analogous to attending the peace rallies of the 60s protesting the Vietnam War. Come to a rally, wear groovy clothes, smoke a joint, march and make free love. Then go home and resume your normal life hoping things will change. This has no effect on the policies then or now. How many times do people have to repeat history before they realize it takes more.

The more I think about it the madder I get. A global hug is great but it won't change anything. Clearly, the Hopi Prophecy is about taking action to get to a different place. It's about appreciating the earth and holding it sacred and actively making choices and following through.

I agree it is now or never. Surrendering to anything is never. Waking up to your consciousness and taking real action is now.

[truthseekerdan]

According to Dr. Calleman latest article, Elenin is the Blue Star (Blue Kachina) prophesied by the Hopi's. Below I included the link to the article:

http://www.calleman.com/content/articles/Frequency_increase_Ninth_Wave.htm

I didn't see a specific reference to the Blue Katchina, only a vague reference to a time indicated by the Mayan Calender... did I miss it?

I think you did miss it, Joe... ;)

"To complete the Ninth wave a series of events will have to be planned also for its remaining days and I believe that these will tend to be more “cosmic” in nature as part of the climb to the top of the nine-storied pyramid. They are tentatively as follows:

The Midpoint of the 5th day: Creating cosmic resonance on a global scale
The Midpoint of the 6th day: Creating the Earth in a cosmic context
The Midpoint of the 7th day: Cosmic Harmony Festival
Connecting with Elenin/Niburu/Blue Star"


But wow, what Calleman has written is almost purely religious pathology. I couldn't disagree more strongly with Calleman's idea that we should 'surrender' to the divine. His theory that what 'we' have done is not an accurate reflection of history. 'We' the people or most of the sheeple have been letting tptb make policy to the extent that the current situation is the result of their manipulations of events in order to control the world, while most of the people keep their eyes closed.

I would argue that 'we' need to take control back from tptb and their manipulations in order to set a new course and make the world a better place. The way to do that is to live in a higher consciousness in the form of people making decisions and taking actions in and of themselves rather than being manipulated by religion, politicians, pop culture or anything else. That will create a unifying consciousness, then the rest will take care of itself. That makes much more sense to me, especially as an interpretation of a Hopi prophecy.

How does surrendering to the divine make us co-creators of anything? It makes us slaves...

I believe that your concept (perspective) of "surrendering to the divine", might not be the same with what Carl Calleman is talking about. I'm pretty sure he is not referring to a specific deity, nor tptb, but to the Divine in each of us. To know thyself. Please watch the video below for more info on this subject.

Much Love and understanding ~ Dan


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm0a9k-ug58
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm0a9k-ug58

[The Truth Is In There]

if elenin is the blue star kachina then what is the red star kachina? i mean, if "elenin" is not planet x and yet was responsible for the earthquakes in chile, new zealand and japan when it aligned with earth and the sun it has to be a gigantic object. i don't see how this could be the blue star (= the precursor) and not the red star (= the destroyer). honestly, if it did cause those earthquakes at that distance it has to be the destroyer. but at least calleman is right about his calendar end date, september/october will be one hell of a climax.

[loveandgratitude]

Did the Comet, The Brown Drawf, The Blue Star, The Red Star, Planet X, take your pick - cause the earthquakes or are we being pointed the the wrong direction and they are man made events?

[slave1zero]

Explains the freak weather and disasters happening here on Earth.....

[alxz]

yea the weather is bad.. In Sweden we have had few sunny days the last 2 weeks with alot of rain. Something is going on and I can feel it somehow..

[alxz]

Thats what I've been thinking too. and im not really surprised. Its like the Boy and the Wolf story, how at the end, no one believed the boy.
stay healthy! bless


ops, a quote reply to Arrowwind. :focus:

[Floor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-LP4iTWQsg&feature=player_embedded

Perhaps comet Honda is the Blue Kachina?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-LP4iTWQsg&feature=player_embedded

[nearing]

I remember reading somewhere, sorry can't remember where now, that the Hopi elders said that the Blue Kachina had already been shown. I want to say this was about 5 yrs ago.

They had acknowledged it already.

It was Comet Homes in 2007.

Google images of it. it was certainly blue and big!

[yiolas]

This is what they say about the Blue and Red Kachina



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y1GdKdNhY4

[nearing]

I am so glad we are near the time!

[yiolas]

I know what you mean Nearing. It's time. I too believe that the Great Shift is upon us. I'm not afraid, because this is what I came to be apart of.

[loveandgratitude]

blessing to each on every one of you wonderful souls and spirits7825

[greybeard]

Well if anyone watched the EVENT on TV tonight they would have seen a planet very like pictures of a brown dwarf take up position near earth in the drama.
A bit too close to a possible truth for my liking.

Chris

[Operator]

I am so glad we are near the time!

You can tell from your forum name ... ;)

[nearing]

I am so glad we are near the time!

You can tell from your forum name ... ;)

Heehee!!! That's right! :angel:

[Carmody]

I'm only here for the beer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IivaDS3eWrE

[Lord Sidious]

This is what they say about the Blue and Red Kachina




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y1GdKdNhY4

The two brothers.
Mmmmmmmmmmmmm, I wonder if their names are Enki and Enlil?

And they speak of a situation where the sun rises from the west, just like the qu'ran does.

The messages will be found in a drop of blood.
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, look for the genetic code in the dna?

Many thanks for that video, I believe I am on the right path and many things come and point the way to me.


I'm only here for the beer.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IivaDS3eWrE

[oceanz]

The lifeforce will leave their eyes and it will be painful to walk ---> sounds like zombie talk to me.

The two brothers - north and south pole ----> sounds like Enlil and Enki.

[Carmody]

Well if anyone watched the EVENT on TV tonight they would have seen a planet very like pictures of a brown dwarf take up position near earth in the drama.
A bit too close to a possible truth for my liking.

Chris

To believe that I've had continual 24 hour access to about 500+ channels for the past 11 years..and I've not watched more than....10-15 hours in that time?

What is this event thing you speak of? :p

[greybeard]

Well if anyone watched the EVENT on TV tonight they would have seen a planet very like pictures of a brown dwarf take up position near earth in the drama.
A bit too close to a possible truth for my liking.

Chris


To believe that I've had continual 24 hour access to about 500+ channels for the past 11 years..and I've not watched more than....10-15 hours in that time?

What is this event thing you speak of? :p

Its been a TV film on channel 4 UK here.
Aliens (not subject to aging) very like humans living here for years then their home planet is faced with destruction---- the leader here Sopia endevors to wipe out humanswith a virus in orgder to make room for a few billion of her people.

She is captured in time but the planet arrives that is her home and that looks like a brown dwarf.
Part of the story is that they lived here before we did, Earth was their original home.
Some remained on earth and married humans and produced children,
The Film finishes leaving the viewer a bit in the air.
The claim by Sopia being that killing of the humans was an act of mercy as the event is yet to happen via their home planet and that they are trouble for the human race though they dont want to be.
There was also a human race of guardians who knew the secret and passed it down to defeat sopia.

So thats a synopsis.

Chris

I rarely watch TV but it caught my eye

[The Truth Is In There]

well, it seems 9/11 (september 2011) is really something to look forward to! does anyone have an idea when the red star might be visible in the sky? i'm ready as far as food and stuff goes but it's quite hard to convince others to make prepaprations despite the evidence all around (earthquakes, floodings, freak weather etc.). a red spot in the sky might just be what is needed.

[nearing]

does anyone have an idea when the red star might be visible in the sky?

If it is the thing that JPL is calling ELENIN, then it should start to reflect our Sun's light as it gets into inner solar system in mid June, but most likely the only people to be able to see it then will be in the extreme southern hemisphere as this thing is coming up from under. But we may see some photos of it from backyard telescopers then.

We in the northern hemisphere won't see it until it's nearly upon us.

[yiolas]

Well if anyone watched the EVENT on TV tonight they would have seen a planet very like pictures of a brown dwarf take up position near earth in the drama.
A bit too close to a possible truth for my liking.

Chris

To believe that I've had continual 24 hour access to about 500+ channels for the past 11 years..and I've not watched more than....10-15 hours in that time?

What is this event thing you speak of? :p

The Event is an American TV series that was widely discussed here on Avalon last year, in regards to the much anticipated topic of disclosure. Many here thought that it was the government's way of benignly presenting the subject of aliens existing here on earth.

If you don't get it in your country you can catch all of the episodes on http://veehd.com

[greybeard]

http://exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-103.htm

Interesting article

Chris

[oceanz]

The below is certainly a different perspective:


http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1484.htm
May 23, 2011
Attack On Japan, US Linked To ‘Alien Whale Race’ Nearing Earth
By: Sorcha Faal,

A chilling follow-up report prepared by Russia’s Federal Space Agency (FKA/RKA) on the deadly ‘alien’ attack that destroyed a US space facility in Texas two weeks ago warns that ‘substantial evidence’ exists that it was ‘directed’ from the mysterious Saturn Water Moon Titan that Russian scientists say is ‘awakening’ in a manner similar to what has been occurring on Earth’s Moon.

Going from the chilling to the downright shocking is this report further stating; that based upon the analysis of the electronic ‘signatures’ emanating from Titan, the Earth’s Moon and the believed to be ‘UFO fleet’ following in the wake of Comet Elenin (C/2010 X1), that is fast nearing our planet, the only, and logical, interpretation that can be made is that they are, in fact, ‘whale songs’.
(Read more at above link)

[Maia Gabrial]

I just have to say this. Someone once said that whatever is headed this way is a good thing. And the strangest thought went through my mind. If it's the Annunaki who are the ones on Nibiru, then, of course, all the reptilians on Earth would think it was a good thing....Their bros were coming back....!
Just saying.....
Maia

[Operator]

The below is certainly a different perspective:


By: Sorcha Faal


Ignore Sorcha Faal ... he's a paid disinfo agent. Don't waste your time.

[Flyswim]

http://exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-103.htm

Interesting article

Chris

Hi Chris,

This link didnt open. What is the article about, please.

Thanks.

Flyswim

[greybeard]

http://exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-103.htm

Interesting article

Chris



Hi Chris,

This link didnt open. What is the article about, please.

Thanks.

Flyswim


Paste the link into your browser then click enter--- its working

Its a bout the possibility of earth quakes bing caused by Elenin

This part of the article
Regards Chris

Will Comet Elenin cause major earthquakes as it approaches Earth?

May 27, 2011. Michael E. Salla, Ph.D.
Fig 1. Is Comet Elenin really a Brown Dwarf?

There has been growing scientific debate about Comet C/2010 X1 (Elenin) as it approaches the Earth, and its significance as it comes as close as 0.23 Astronomic Units -about one quarter the distance between the Earth and the sun - on October 16, 2011. At one end of the spectrum are NASA scientists claiming that Elenin is little more than a comet comprising icy space debris with negligible mass that will have little effect on the Earth. At the other end are some scientists and private researchers claiming that Elenin is a large planetary body, possibly a brown dwarf star, and its near approach will have calamitous effects.

Much of the evidence for Elenin being a large planetary body has been centered on conspiracy theories related to a government cover-up of an incoming brown dwarf star given the name Planet X. Rather than mere conjecture by conspiracy theorists, Planet X was first reported by the Washington Post and New York Times in two articles that appeared in 1983.

The debate over Elenin's significance has been dramatically changed with the emergence of a Bosnian scientist who has released a remarkable paper tracking the relationship between planetary alignments and seismic (earthquake) activity on the Earth. Dr Mensur Omerbashich claims that since 2006, comet Elenin has had a measurable impact on the Earth's seismic activity. If Dr Omerbashich is correct, then we can expect a rapid surge in seismic activity in terms of major earthquakes as Elenin approaches the Earth during the latter part of 2011.

Dr Omerbashich's paper was released on April 11, 2011 and is titled "Astronomical Alignments as the cause of ~M6 + seismicity." His basic idea is that as planetary bodies align with the Earth, that seismic activity increases. He provides historic data on large earthquakes, greater than magnitude 6, and how these have occurred during planetary alignments. For example, he notes that the 9.1 earthquake that hit Indonesia on December 26, 2004 causing over 230,000 deaths around the Indian Ocean, occurred when the Earth, Mercury and Venus were in alignment. At first, the planetary alignment thesis seems puzzling since it's not obvious what is happening during an alignment that would cause seismic behavior on Earth.

Dr Omerbashich doesn't explain the dynamic processes behind planetary alignments and how these impact on seismicity. He simply provides historic data suggesting that physical processes are indeed occurring during an alignment that cause the seismic activity. So that naturally leads to the question, what is happening during a planetary alignment that would cause earthquakes on Earth? The main candidate for a viable response to this question is the "electric universe" or "plasma cosmology" model.

Plasma cosmology is an astronomical model that suggests that the sun and planets are electrically charged celestial objects that exist in an electric field that is generated by the sun in a radial direction (like the spokes on a bicycle wheel) throughout the solar system. Charges flow through this electric field by virtue of the plasma particles that are constantly being released by the sun (aka solar wind). Plasma is the fourth state of matter (solid, liquid, and gas being the first three) and comprises free protons, neutrons, electrons and ions that make up atoms. Plasma is not electrically neutral, but is a superconductor that can carry electrical charges throughout the solar system (and indeed into interstellar and intergalactic space)

As electrical charges are distributed by plasma through the solar system, then different regions of space become electrically charged depending on their distance from the sun. Put simply, the sun comprises a large positive charge while the distant ends of the solar system form the most negatively charged regions of the solar system. In between, the electric field of the sun and the plasma currents flowing from it through space, provide electrical charges to planets, asteroids and comets depending on the nature of their orbits and proximity to one another.
Fig 2. Plasma discharge - note radial path of plasma

Plasma discharges (see Fig 2) therefore regularly occur between celestial bodies. When a comet moves close to a planet or the sun, the comet's electrical charge is significantly different in that region of the solar system's electrical field. The accumulation of charge and/or a plasma discharge subsequently occurs. For example, when comets travel close to the sun, plasma discharges (aka Coronal Mass Ejections) have been observed to occur. Most astronomers are puzzled by such events which they currently regard as mere coincidence. For supporters of plasma cosmology, however, the sun's behavior when comet's approach is evidence of the plasma discharge that regularly occurs when two charged celestial bodies approach each other.

The plasma cosmology model gives us a means of understanding how the planetary alignments that Dr Omerbashich discusses are directly related to seismic activity. Essentially, when the Earth is aligned with two or more celestial bodies, then a plasma discharge occurs and seismic activity is stimulated. So now we can better understand how planetary alignments might cause seismic activity which Dr Omerbashich has observed in recent historical data.

Most importantly, he argues that seismic activity has been observed when the Earth aligned with Comet Elenin as early as 2007. In his paper, he writes:

Note that, in terms of seismicity, the Elenin started playing a role in 2007, and continued doing so, contributing in 6 out of the 22 alignment-relating seisms. Similarly, the sun participated in 19 such alignments, the Mercury in 9, the Venus in 8, the moon in 9, the Mars in 2, the Jupiter in 4, the Saturn in 1, the Uranus in 2, and the Neptune in 1.

Under the electric universe model, it is understandable how the sun would be so dominant in planetary alignments associated with large earthquake activity. This is consistent with Dr Omerbashich's own view that: "Proximity of the Earth to the alignments of other celestial bodies, particularly of those involving the Sun, can result in intense seismic activity…" Similarly, the electric universe model helps explain why Mercury and Venus also play prominent roles in alignments associated with seismic activity on Earth. What's very important is noting that larger planetary bodies such as Jupiter, Saturn and Uranus, have not played prominent roles in planetary alignments.

[Dick]

hello avalonians, just one question:
The orbit of comet elenin is about 3600 years, and the passage through our solarsystem is less than one year, where does it stay the other 3599 years, and what makes it comming back, if it is so far away ??
anyone whit a good explanation ??

Dick.

[Wiremu2011]

Now I dont know much about this topic.. but after listening to Hoagland just now I decided to look into Elenin a little and I came across this..

its very intereesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqV0StQbJQs&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqV0StQbJQs&feature=player_embedded)

Not sure how many have viewed this video by Terral, but it's possibly the better information going. I still hope to God it's not correct though. Is onyxknight able to confirm or deny this presentation?

[greybeard]

hello avalonians, just one question:
The orbit of comet elenin is about 3600 years, and the passage through our solarsystem is less than one year, where does it stay the other 3599 years, and what makes it comming back, if it is so far away ??
anyone whit a good explanation ??

Dick.

It takes 250 Million years for our part of the solar system (including our Sun) to complete an orbit of the "central sun"

Chris

[Lord Sidious]

hello avalonians, just one question:
The orbit of comet elenin is about 3600 years, and the passage through our solarsystem is less than one year, where does it stay the other 3599 years, and what makes it comming back, if it is so far away ??
anyone whit a good explanation ??

Dick.

It takes 250 Million years for our part of the solar system (including our Sun) to complete an orbit of the "central sun"

Chris

Galactic centre is the term you want.

[AlexanderLight]

Russian Leader Confirms To Pope Benedict Nibiru's Arrival

"A secret document prepared for Prime Minister Putin by Russia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs is claiming that President Medvedev confirmed in his extended meeting with Pope Benedict XVI in February 2011 that the new planet named Tyche (pronounced ty-kee) by NASA will be appearing in the Earth’s night sky by 2012."

Bellow: NASA's rendering of planet Tyche - Very similar to Nibiru, isn't it?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VfUFuijPGnI/TeX_CiRHJYI/AAAAAAAABZg/Yjq_J2Icbh4/s1600/01+Tyche+by+NASA.jpg

If this is true, then things will get interesting very soon.
READ ENTIRE ARTICLE HERE (http://humansarefree.com/2011/06/russian-leader-confirms-to-pope.html)

From an older article:
"They’ve found the largest planet ‘IN OUR SOLAR SYSTEM’! It orbits our Sun in a far elliptical orbit, and is said to be 4x’s the size of Jupiter! It has a helium and hydrogen atmosphere and it has moons! Astronomers theorize that this could be a planet born in another star system and captured by ours.
This planet fits the EXACT description of Nibiru - Planet X!
The current name of the former "Planet X" is now Tyche, a name derived from the name of a Greek goddess that "governed the destiny of a city," according to the Mail."

Read Entire Article Here: NIBIRU - Planet X Admitted by Scientists! NASA shuts down Space Telescope ‘WISE’! (http://humansarefree.com/2011/02/nibiru-planet-x-admitted-by-scientists.html)

I am curious what is the official story regarding Comet Elenin and Tyche. What are (the official) differences between them?!

[greybeard]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDwG9WW2Gnc&feature=player_embedded

[AlexanderLight]

Article from NASA.gov
June 24, 2010:

"We are now calling the hypothetical brown dwarf Tyche instead, after the benevolent counterpart to Nemesis," said Kirkpatrick. "Although there is only limited evidence to suggest a large body in a wide, stable orbit around the sun, WISE should be able to find it, or rule it out altogether."
(Click for Source (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/spitzer/news/spitzer20100624.html))

Few months ago, the prolific telescope 'Wise' was shut down by NASA.

[jack]

if elenin is the blue star kachina then what is the red star kachina? i mean, if "elenin" is not planet x and yet was responsible for the earthquakes in chile, new zealand and japan when it aligned with earth and the sun it has to be a gigantic object. i don't see how this could be the blue star (= the precursor) and not the red star (= the destroyer). honestly, if it did cause those earthquakes at that distance it has to be the destroyer. but at least calleman is right about his calendar end date, september/october will be one hell of a climax.

Hey there the truth is in there.

Something you might find of interest ;

http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/Comet-Explosion-Generates-Numerous-Mini-Comets-2.jpg

This is comet holmes after it exploded in 2007 to become the largest object in our solar system, with a diameter even larger then our sun.

This could be refered to as the blue star kachina simply due to its overwhelming size and luminosity. Of this im not sure, but it definitly seems a likely candidate.

[truthseekerdan]

Hi folks, great info is being posted here. This just 'popped' into my head... Has anyone thought that the Blue Kachina was actually the 'event' that happened back in December 2009 in Norway?
I believe that not many are not aware of it happening, since it was televised pretty much around the world -- it looked pretty big and blue to me at least. Just a thought, humble opinions around. :)

http://www.enterprisemission.com/Norway-torsion5-color-enhanced.jpg
http://www.enterprisemission.com/Norway-torsion9.jpg
http://www.enterprisemission.com/Norway-torsion.jpg
http://www.enterprisemission.com/Norway-torsion7.jpg

[Carmody]

my concern with Elinin is that we don't know if it's orbit is going to be disturbed via passage through or near the asteroid belt. OK. I just checked, it has passed through the asteroid belt.

http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=C%2F2010%20X1;orb=1;cov=0;log=0;cad=0#orb

[Operator]

my concern with Elinin is that we don't know if it's orbit is going to be disturbed via passage through or near the asteroid belt. OK. I just checked, it has passed through the asteroid belt.

Here's something else to consider ...
What if the orbit is disturbed by one of the inner planets, or worse earths orbit is influenced by it's passage.
If it indeed is big (i.e. a brown dwarf, or mini solar system) we might get sucked into a new solar system taking us out of here ...

I know it sounds far fetched but this thought was triggered by the fact that the applet of JPL just let's everything continue after the passage.
Maybe it still is a small comet and the applet is correct ... but the alignments tend to point in another direction.

[nearing]

if elenin is the blue star kachina then what is the red star kachina? i mean, if "elenin" is not planet x and yet was responsible for the earthquakes in chile, new zealand and japan when it aligned with earth and the sun it has to be a gigantic object. i don't see how this could be the blue star (= the precursor) and not the red star (= the destroyer). honestly, if it did cause those earthquakes at that distance it has to be the destroyer. but at least calleman is right about his calendar end date, september/october will be one hell of a climax.

Hey there the truth is in there.

Something you might find of interest ;

http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/Comet-Explosion-Generates-Numerous-Mini-Comets-2.jpg

This is comet holmes after it exploded in 2007 to become the largest object in our solar system, with a diameter even larger then our sun.

This could be refered to as the blue star kachina simply due to its overwhelming size and luminosity. Of this im not sure, but it definitly seems a likely candidate.

This is my take as well. Holmes was the BK, what is coming in the Fall is the RK

¤=[Post Update]=¤



my concern with Elinin is that we don't know if it's orbit is going to be disturbed via passage through or near the asteroid belt. OK. I just checked, it has passed through the asteroid belt.

Here's something else to consider ...
What if the orbit is disturbed by one of the inner planets, or worse earths orbit is influenced by it's passage.
If it indeed is big (i.e. a brown dwarf, or mini solar system) we might get sucked into a new solar system taking us out of here ...

I know it sounds far fetched but this thought was triggered by the fact that the applet of JPL just let's everything continue after the passage.
Maybe it still is a small comet and the applet is correct ... but the alignments tend to point in another direction.

This happening would be the biggest thing EVER to have happened to mankind (and maybe the Earth too). IT must be massive and it IS going to be very close to us. I see the possibility.

I wonder how close it came 3600 yrs ago and 7200 yrs ago? It didn't snatch us then but maybe it was farther away when it swung by?

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Hi folks, great info is being posted here. This just 'popped' into my head... Has anyone thought that the Blue Kachina was actually the 'event' that happened back in December 2009 in Norway?
I believe that not many are not aware of it happening, since it was televised pretty much around the world -- it looked pretty big and blue to me at least. Just a thought, humble opinions around. :)

http://www.enterprisemission.com/Norway-torsion5-color-enhanced.jpg



It IS blue. Bu that doesn't look celestial to me, looks man or ET made.

Plus it was only seen by people in that vicinity. Comet Homes was the biggest thing in our sky for a time and seen by everyone.

[truthseekerdan]

Wow, interesting video I found from this guy (professional photographer).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEmbj4n_TGU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEmbj4n_TGU

[nearing]

Wow, interesting video I found from this guy (professional photographer).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEmbj4n_TGU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEmbj4n_TGU

Looks like lens flare. Notice how the round thing is always opposite the blue crescent. If he wants to rule out lens flare, he should have a polarizing lens filter on WHILE taking the photo. This isn't my opinion but the opinion of a real professional photographer who uses a $6k camera. :cool:

[truthseekerdan]

It IS blue. Bu that doesn't look celestial to me, looks man or ET made.

Plus it was only seen by people in that vicinity. Comet Homes was the biggest thing in our sky for a time and seen by everyone.

Yes nearing, but remember that Hopi artifacts depict spirals, etc...

http://www.crystalinks.com/indianwolf.jpg

I don't recall hearing or seeing, not even on TV about comet Homes -- just found out about it on this thread, so apparently not everyone knows...

Here are some good links:

http://www.crystalinks.com/hopi2.html

http://elenin.org/

[Operator]

my concern with Elinin is that we don't know if it's orbit is going to be disturbed via passage through or near the asteroid belt. OK. I just checked, it has passed through the asteroid belt.

Here's something else to consider ...
What if the orbit is disturbed by one of the inner planets, or worse earths orbit is influenced by it's passage.
If it indeed is big (i.e. a brown dwarf, or mini solar system) we might get sucked into a new solar system taking us out of here ...

I know it sounds far fetched but this thought was triggered by the fact that the applet of JPL just let's everything continue after the passage.
Maybe it still is a small comet and the applet is correct ... but the alignments tend to point in another direction.

This happening would be the biggest thing EVER to have happened to mankind (and maybe the Earth too). IT must be massive and it IS going to be very close to us. I see the possibility.

It gives "Dancing with the stars" a whole different meaning doesn't it ? ;)

[jsb_swampfox]

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/time2011b.html

[greybeard]

This is the bigest thing to ever happen to man kind for possibly many different reasons.
No human has been this far into the rotation round the galactic center--- see Sid I got it lol thanks.
According to David Sereda there is an opportunity to jump from this orbit to another
(if any one wants I will re post the video but I have done several times in other threads)

Enlightened teachers who seem to know more than the rest of us say a New Earth is possible.
Eckhart Toll in a London talk some years back said We ar on the verge ofthe bigest step forward in the evolution of mankind since we left the sea
That is big.
Dr David Hawkins says we about to see our world totally differently through a change in perception.
Dolores Cannon says the New will separate from the old Earth.
Astral Walker and others speaking of possible ET involvement.
These theories are all possibly mutually compatible.
Time will tell.

Great info from a lot of people keep it coming.

Chris

[Operator]

Eckhart Toll in a London talk some years back said We ar on the verge ofthe bigest step forward in the evolution of mankind since we left the sea
...
Great info from a lot of people keep it coming.


Good that you mention it ... the video on this web page will interest you:

To Be or Not To Be: A Galactic Question (http://www.larouchepac.org/galactic-question?page=5&lid=0-0-2&relation=60)

It takes a while, seems to go negative but be patient ... the presenter will get back to jumps in evolution.
A mighty interesting video anyway which is related to this topic in several ways.

[truthseekerdan]

Great info from a lot of people keep it coming.

Chris

Here you go Chris, know you gonna like this one... :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP2wMXhxIoQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP2wMXhxIoQ

http://vitalfreedom.net/2011/06/01/comet-elenin-and-the-event-2011/

[greybeard]

Eckhart Toll in a London talk some years back said We ar on the verge ofthe bigest step forward in the evolution of mankind since we left the sea
...
Great info from a lot of people keep it coming.


Good that you mention it ... the video on this web page will interest you:

To Be or Not To Be: A Galactic Question (http://www.larouchepac.org/galactic-question?page=5&lid=0-0-2&relation=60)

It takes a while, seems to go negative but be patient ... the presenter will get back to jumps in evolution.
A mighty interesting video anyway which is related to this topic in several ways.

The future of the stars lies within us.
That is the closing statement on the video that operator has shared with us.
I dont claim to understand it all but I got the essence.

Thanks again
Chris

[Dick]

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/time2011b.html

Gonna watch the sky tonight ;)

Dick.

[norman]

That 2 dimentional graphic video doesn't deal with the angle that this object is coming in from.

If it's the object we're expecting as the rare periodical of 3,600 years, it's probably coming in at a steep angle from below.

We need to get a 3D graphic running to see what's what.

At that point in October where it appears to be very close to us, it MIGHT NOT be so very close. It's possible that it will rise up above our north head and be more distant than it looks in that video.

I hope so, anyway. I'm not into this ascention stuff much. If it's for real, I'm pretty sure I'm not on the bus so I'm hoping for a false alarm myself. If so many people are convinced it's going to be some great leap of "density", that might be enough to destroy this world and that MIGHT be an implanted agenda.

I urge everyone to remain very close to a none specific awareness and just keep it like that.

[zeropoint]

"A secret document prepared for Prime Minister Putin by Russia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs is claiming that President Medvedev confirmed in his extended meeting with Pope Benedict XVI in February 2011 that the new planet named Tyche (pronounced ty-kee) by NASA will be appearing in the Earth’s night sky by 2012.

more here:
http://humansarefree.com/2011/06/russian-leader-confirms-to-pope.html#more

Note: this serves as information only, access your own inner guidance

[MargueriteBee]

I want a link to the secret document otherwise it is heresy.

[zeropoint]

perhaps you meant to say 'hearsay', or?


I want a link to the secret document otherwise it is heresy.

[bluestflame]

"A secret document prepared for Prime Minister Putin by Russia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs" sounds like the opening line to some of sorcha faals other releases

[Wiremu2011]

"A secret document prepared for Prime Minister Putin by Russia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs" sounds like the opening line to some of sorcha faals other releases

Who/what is sorcha faal? I heard of but not know much about it/her, him. It's got a got a good spook ring to it. Bring it on if you don't mind. Thanks:)

[AlexanderLight]

I hope so, anyway. I'm not into this ascention stuff much. If it's for real, I'm pretty sure I'm not on the bus so I'm hoping for a false alarm myself. If so many people are convinced it's going to be some great leap of "density", that might be enough to destroy this world and that MIGHT be an implanted agenda.

Dear norman,
At this point, I'm sure we are not able to fully understand what the so called ascension is all about. But here is a simplified 'scheme' (at least the way I see it):
1. The new energy that is being gradually sent to us, is being easily integrated by our energetic and physical bodies (like sediments on the river's bed);
2. The new energy is very positive and one of its functions is to balance us before anything else (currently, we lean towards the dark masculine side of us: brutal, dominant, etc.). The more 'new energy' we receive, the more balanced, wise, positive we become.
3. The humans are all interconnected and constantly communicating at energetic level; so, the positive (or negative) energy integrated by one individual, is also being sent to other individuals around (that's why is so important for us stay away from the negative people and keep close the positive ones);
4. A good amount of positive energy integrated by a high number of individuals, gave birth to a new cycle, called -according to the Mayas- The Cycle of Unity of Consciousness. This is the time when humanity will transcend duality – us and them, good and bad, etc. and merge into Unity of Consciousness. This cycle started on March 9th, 2011 (the cycle before it ended with a great earthquake, just as Mayas predicted: the 9.0 Japanese earthquake).
READ MORE HERE! (http://humansarefree.com/2011/03/mayan-prophecy-predicted-massive.html)
5. The 'ascension' will begin on December 21st, 2011 when the new energy integration will be complete (for those who will go further in this body/incarnation). Then, all humans will receive an 'impulse' that will activate something much more powerful inside us and we will become 'human beings' for the first time on Earth. We will leave behind the karmic law, we will remember all our previous incarnations, we will have a very strong connection with the Creation and (probably) millions of other positive changes.

So, please, do not worry that you are 'not on this bus' as we currently know almost nothing about ourselves. We will have to experience the 'vibrational leap' and see what is what.

~ Humans are Love, Earth is Peace ~

[Operator]

That 2 dimentional graphic video doesn't deal with the angle that this object is coming in from.

Have you seen the JPL applet ? http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=Elenin;orb=1;cov=0;log=0;cad=0#orb

You can turn, twist, flip it around .... Elenin seem not to be coming in at such a steep angle.
Oddly it will leave with a much steeper angle as soon as it crosses the ecliptic. So something must perturb it ...

Edit:
At some point it should be between us and the sun. If it indeed is a very large object (like a brown dwarf) it will block our view of the sun.

1. The only way we could see a brown dwarf with the naked eye is when it blocks other stars
2. Some claim that this event could well be the 3 days of darkness from the bible.

[Operator]

Eckhart Toll in a London talk some years back said We ar on the verge ofthe bigest step forward in the evolution of mankind since we left the sea
...
Great info from a lot of people keep it coming.


Good that you mention it ... the video on this web page will interest you:

To Be or Not To Be: A Galactic Question (http://www.larouchepac.org/galactic-question?page=5&lid=0-0-2&relation=60)

It takes a while, seems to go negative but be patient ... the presenter will get back to jumps in evolution.
A mighty interesting video anyway which is related to this topic in several ways.

The future of the stars lies within us.
That is the closing statement on the video that operator has shared with us.
I dont claim to understand it all but I got the essence.

Thanks again
Chris

There was another thing in this video that attracted my attention in particular. It talks about 5 Extinction Level Events that occurred more or less cyclically.
But the main thing is that evolution after these events comes back stronger than before. It made me remember the words of Ian Lungold while he was
explaining the meaning of the Mayan calendar. He said something similar. Dark things have happened cyclically (as a kind of test) ... but every time life seems
to have mastered it better and the devastating effects were less and less.

The video also talks about the current position of earth now and the increase of particular cosmic rays apparently necessary for evolution ...
Well google this: "Mystery Cosmic Rays Zapping South Pole" ... and you will find some interesting articles.
(Cosmic rays coming from a specific location rather than diffused rays).

I think it is a well done no-nonsense video containing some correlation with the things going on today. And finally it gave me a rather positive
outlook as opposed to despair and emphasized destruction videos that are often far less scientifically based.

[greybeard]

Yes Operator it was a good find and very positive on the whole.
Incidentally I am listening to Eckhart Tolle reading A new Earth in which he says.

A new heaven (Heaven being within) is the rising consciousness happening now-- a new earth is the manifestation brought about by the rising consciousness.
The book is very positive and very relevant.
He also points out that intense pressure and heat changed the stone into the crystal the coal into the diamond.
In the scientific video it pointed out that each near elimination of life on earth resulted in a higher expression of life coming into being.
The end statement was The future of the stars lies within us.
Coincidently I read some where that the whole cosmos rejoices every time a human is enlightened.

So we may be heading for a rough ride but the end results may be better than we can possibly imagine.
The most important thing we can do is release fear and negativity, thus raising our personal consciousness and the side effect is that we raise all others in so doing.

Chris

[bashi]

Hi folks,
i am back after one month of (compulsory) holidays, only to find the kids going crazy because of ELENIN and digging bunker holes into my Golf lawn. :stop:

No, on a serious note, I also got spooked by the “info” running on the net.
Specially the photos with “moons” and also the alignments at 26th Feb 2010 (Chile EQ) and 11th March 2011 (Japan EQ).


The conclusions were summed up nicely in his post:

At this point we can safely narrow this down to 3 possibilities:
1) Dwarf.
2) Unnatural "comet" that has "intelligently navigated the asteroid belt (draw your own conclusions there).
3) An extraordinarily well done psyop. This is possible but based on the boneheaded psyops gone by a really really long stretch.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Proof-that-Comet-Elenin-doesn-t-exists%21-We-have-Nibiru-instead%21&p=228874&viewfull=1#post228874

Two more possibilities to discuss:

4. Black Hole
5. Is it - after all – a comet?


So, here the results of my homework, my 2 cents, one by one:
First: The video of “astrolpariot”, as shown in the first post, seems to be a fabricated one.
A telescope is shown to gain credibility, but the pictures later shown are made by an astro-computer program.

In another video, at 3:30 he states about Leonid Elenin: “Possible NASA worker; can’t find him anywhere” :



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More on Leonid Elenin later.

“Astropatriot” got some serious smacks from credible hobby astronomers, and now his webside is down and his youtube account deleted. His videos were nicely made and if he had invested as much time as in generating his vids into real research, his results would be different. The last message was that he packs his things...

So lets get into the details of the possible scenarios:


1. Brown Dwarf theory

A brown dwarf (BD) is a star which has not enough mass to continue burning the complete cycle of fusion. A BD starts with Hydrogen and stops soon, because its mass is insufficient to sustain the fusion reactions. So it has a short live-span and will not continue with the fusion, which normally at a later stage create all the heavier elements through Helium-fusion, carbon-fusion, etc., which is the normal, long lifespan of heavier stars.
A BD , after the initial start, will cool down slowly and will become dim. For the start of the Hydrogen-fusion a minimum mass is required, the “hydrogen-burning mass limit (HBML), which is ~ 0.08 sun masses, or ~ 80 times the mass of Jupiter. As a consequence of this limit, the minimum radius of a BD can be calculated.
The next picture shows the mass of a BD versus the radius. It shows that BDs have a roughly constant radius, irrespectively of their mass. That minimum radius is roughly the same as the Jupiter radius:


http://img863.imageshack.us/img863/6869/radiusbdmod.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/863/radiusbdmod.png/)

So the minimum radius of a BD is the radius of Jupiter!
For someone more interested in Brown Dwarfs, here the link to the article:
http://research.amnh.org/users/bro/papers/ppivprep.pdf


The object C/2010 X1 Elenin is visually a very small object and even some more experienced astronomers are having problems to find it.
a BD would be gigantic in the telescopic sky with frequent observable overshadowing of more remote stars. Do you really think that an astronomer would have problems in finding an object which is 20 times bigger than Mars and nearly as close as Mars?
Therefore ELENIN can not be a brown dwarf.

But – in my argumentation - still we have seemingly the “moons” etc, which can indicate the existence of a Black Hole...

[bashi]

2. Black hole hypothesis

The gravitational field of a Black Hole would have tremendous influence on the planets of our soar system. Nothing would be as it is. Also a “lensing” effect on the light of stars positioned behind it would be clearly visible. This has not been observed.
Therefore ELENIN can not be a Black Hole.


So the “moons” have now shrunk into a possible debris-field, as the gravitational trough to hold moons is missing.
This field might accompany the comet, and they maybe stick around because Elenin might be a massive, several hundred kilometre thick nugget. This debris could be like a lead-shot for Earth at the moment Earth crosses the path, causing huge meteoric showers with a lot of panic and damage. Can it?



3. Cometic shower theory

From this video,


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i made a screeshot at 1:12

The “debris” is clearly showing on this screen shot:


http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/7462/el17crop.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/577/el17crop.png/)


Detail:


http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/6766/el23crop.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/827/el23crop.png/)


But a look at the original photo used, raises already one suspicion. Here the original:


http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/9620/muler01.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/841/muler01.jpg/)

The “debris” pieces are exhibiting a sharp pixel size contrast transition:


http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/3596/elbcrop.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/51/elbcrop.png/)

Even much brighter stars are not having that a sharp demarcation as the “debris”.
That is a clear indication that these are artefacts, caused by image processing or maybe tiny dust particles on the lens:

So I contacted the astronomer who had shot the picture (Gustavo Muler, GM), and asked the following question:

“In the (above) photo it looks like as if the Comet has a huge debris-field around it. Or are these dust particles on the lens?”


GM:
“Not, it´s the hard processing of the histogram.
i picked many pictures, and there is not anything around or fragmentation of the comet from my equipment”

The “debris” are pixel-artefacts due computer imagining and the subsequent processing. These processing-mistakes were enhanced by another computer image process and then FALSELY interpreted as debris or moons.

Another question:
“I was a little bit concerned, because it is said that Earth will cross Elenin's tail later this year.
What is - in your estimation - the approximate size of the comet?”

GM:
“3 or 4 km
I didn´t calculate it.
it´s what mpc says.”

MPC is Leonid Elenin, who is of course following anything regarding “his” Comet and also other ones.
Leonid Elenin is a real guy, working in a real Russian institute ( http://spaceobs.org/ )
and a real expert on comets and especially on ELENIN.
(See here
http://spaceobs.org/en/2011/05/25/perhaps-the-closest-approach-of-comet-elenin-to-a-main-belt-asteroid/ )


Here a vid from another guy who has made his homework regarding the size of Elenin:


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So the original photographer,Gustavo Muler, says that the “debris” of ELENIN are pixel artefacts and Leonid Elenin says his Comet`s size is just a few kilometres.
Therefore Comet Elenin is NOT accompanied by any serious debris which can cause harm here on Earth.



4. The craft theory

Elenin is showing the typical trajectory of an inert body. If it would be a craft, then this way of travelling would be very time consuming and out-dated. I would not accept any invitation into that kind of stone age craft.

Elenin is further exhibiting the comet typical “coma”.
The “coma” or glowing dust halo of a comet should not be mistaken for its size. The coma is the very thin “sweat-cloud” of the comet, which is produced as it approaches the sun. Tiny dust particles and ice are evaporated into space through the increasing sunlight. Currently ELENIN`s coma is approx. 100.000 km in diameter. It is expected to grow to the size of a few million km.

More on current comets and comas here:
http://spacibm.rice.edu/~has/5ObservingGuide/Comets/ProfessorComet/Professor_Comet_June_2011.pdf
and here:
http://www.astronomycafe.net/qadir/q2298.html

Do you think a high-tech craft - or “cradle of death” - would start to evaporate if the sun starts shining on it?
Therefore it is very unlikely that Elenin is a craft, or that Enki`s Aryans are on their way riding on this speck of dust (at least not on this one)...

The “info” that Elenin is an artificially controlled craft started with an article, which had a wording something like that:
”A grim top-secret report about Comet Elenin, prepared by the Russian Federal Space Agency for Prime Minister Putin….”
We are not Sorch a Fool, arn’t we?



5. The comet conclusion

So, maybe ELENIN is just a minute piece of dirt, floating lonely within the cosmos and passing by, far far away from Earth.
Because Elenin behaves like a comet, it looks like a comet, it has all the characteristics of a comet, and therefore most likely it is just: A comet !

So, for all dark Elenin planet advocates: Sorry, you jumped into the wrong timeline!

But best is you have a personal look at it, and Mr. Muler has graciously allowed entrance into his exclusive comet movie theatre.
Here is the ticket:

http://gustavomuler.fotografiaastronomica.com/www/images/cometas/C1010X1/

In the animated pics you can clearly see some white artefacts appearing, which Gustavo Muler is referring to. There is no lensing effect visible.

So, just RELAX and enjoy the show,
while the uninformed ones run helter skelter (as intended by some groups…).

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

More coming on this elaborate hoax/ Psy-ops...

.

[Rocky_Shorz]

hey Bashi welcome back and thanks for your analysis getting down to the nitty gritty details...

so I guess Sorcha's theory is out then... ;)

[bashi]

hey Bashi welcome back and thanks for your analysis getting down to the nitty gritty details...

so I guess Sorcha's theory is out then... ;)

Looks like it was initially a psy op which got picked up by people like us.
Some guys put a lot of effort in it. Combined with youtube accounts, fake websites, fake publications etc. Well done, maybe just some nuts, maybe preparing for the false flag, maybe playing with fear.
...Predictive programming...


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Anyone here who wants to jump on the truck to get "saved" into an underground shelter?

.

[greybeard]

Good to see you Bashi and as usual your attention to detail is awesome.
Thanks for the time and effort you have obviously put into this
I hope you are right but I think there is something else going on because of out changing weather and what is happening on other planets.

Best wishes
Chris

[bashi]

Good to see you Bashi and as usual your attention to detail is awesome.
Thanks for the time and effort you have obviously put into this
I hope you are right but I think there is something else going on because of out changing weather and what is happening on other planets.

Best wishes
Chris


I could not watch you drafting your last will. ;)
No question about Earth changes. But its not Elenin...

[OnyxKnight]

hehe :D

I still wouldn't discard the theory of it being a craft ..... yet, if I were you :).

[bashi]

On alignments which are causing earthquakes:

A Mensur Omerbashich „Published“ here

http://lanl.arxiv.org/abs/1104.2036

a paper, which tries to connect the alingnment of Elenin together with earthquakes.

That paper is a lot of pseudo science, meant to blind common people:

http://lanl.arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1104/1104.2036.pdf

Now this looks a bit scientific mixed with nuttyness, until you dig deeper.

If you try to find out who this Omerbashich is, you risc your PC, as maybe virus-booby-traps are planted on the way...
Someone/group has committed a lot of energy and resources into this.

The guy here has done some research. Although he seems to be a notorious naysayer and didnt got it right on Chemtrails or the NWO, but on this one he hit something:


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Here his comment to the video:


"BE CAREFUL SEARCHING for his name, some sites contain drive by virus's.
One killed my machine and I had to reformat.
There is a google image of him (i think it's him) kneeling and it's a driveby virus site.

TheRoyalSociety.EU WebSite
http://www.theroyalsociety.eu/

WhoIs for TheRoyalSociety.EU WebSite
http://www.eurid.eu/en/content/whois-result

The Bosnian Royal Family
http://bosnianroyalfamily.org/home.htm

WhoIs for BosnianRoyalFamily.org
http://www.whois.net/whois/bosnianroyalfamily.org

ACT OF CLAIM - Claim to be Crown Price Document
http://bosnianroyalfamily.org/CLAIM_web2.pdf

Random forum site I found discussing this guy
http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/showthread.php?76333-Bosnia-s-Royal-Family! "



On “Astrolpatriot”:
His website www.astrolpatriot.com has been erased from the web-archive.
http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://www.astrolpatriot.com

For this you have to apply specifically. This has been done obviously immediately after cancelling his site.
Why would a guy who claims to have packed his things to go into the woods do that? Is he not (falsely!) trying to alert as much people as possible?
Instead he wipes his trail...

[bashi]

hehe :D

I still wouldn't discard the theory of it being a craft ..... yet, if I were you :).

Please give me a good reason to do that - apart from your personal testimony...

[Carmody]

I like the title of the last video you posted (in post #263).

(good to see you here again, BTW)

[OnyxKnight]

hehe :D

I still wouldn't discard the theory of it being a craft ..... yet, if I were you :).

Please give me a good reason to do that - apart from your personal testimony...

Maybe you can ask an astronomer to do attempt at sound penetration, like what it was attempted on the Moon.

Tell me if you get something like binaural beats back :).

PS: A welcome back from me too :)

[bashi]

hehe :D

I still wouldn't discard the theory of it being a craft ..... yet, if I were you :).

Please give me a good reason to do that - apart from your personal testimony...

Maybe you can ask an astronomer to do attempt at sound penetration, like what it was attempted on the Moon.

Tell me if you get something like binaural beats back :).

PS: A welcome back from me too :)

"to do attempt at sound penetration" : How is that done from Earth?

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

Seriously it's so good to have you back Bashi, You stormed into this thread and sorted out a whole bunch of stuff and no doubt calmed a few nerves. I knew that this comet wasn't the problem but they'll have a lot of fun or had a lot of fun at it's expense.

The nitty gritty is the parts that we are failing to see. No doubt with your perspective on this we can move forward into finding out whats really going on.

Missed your style and glad to see you back.

You've already given me plenty to think about already.. so I'll take a walk and have a good think.


http://i27.tinypic.com/9ru24y.jpg

[OnyxKnight]

hehe :D

I still wouldn't discard the theory of it being a craft ..... yet, if I were you :).

Please give me a good reason to do that - apart from your personal testimony...

Maybe you can ask an astronomer to do attempt at sound penetration, like what it was attempted on the Moon.

Tell me if you get something like binaural beats back :).

PS: A welcome back from me too :)

"to do attempt at sound penetration" : How is that done from Earth?


A few Russians did it.

Let me get back at you on that, okay? :)

[Lettherebelight]

I could not watch you drafting your last will. ;)
No question about Earth changes. But its not Elenin...


I, for one, would be interested to hear your views on what will cause possible (certain?) Earth changes, Bashi, if you think this is a good place, that is. Thanks.

[truthseekerdan]

Welcome home bashi ;) The fact of the matter is that no one knows exactly what ELEnin is, or even if there is another object(s) coming with it... We will have to wait and be dazzled. :)

"This video is based on my own personal research, the hard work and research of others that seem credible ( thank you ) and my gut feeling that Comet Elenin is really a Brown Dwarf Star. Here are some reason's as to why:
In 1983 they noticed the orbits of Pluto, Uranus and Neptune were being disturbed. They spent many millions of dollars to construct and launch the I.R.A.S. telescope to investigate on January 26th,1983. Just 4 days after launch, on January 30th,1983 there was a major story in the NY Times, and again September 10th, 1984 in the US News... THEY FOUND SOMETHING LARGE, VERY LARGE, possibly 4 x the mass of Jupiter!!! Now... let's fast forward to 2007, I assume based on what research they've done up to this point, the SPT (south pole telescope) is constructed, with an extreme southern view point, costing even millions more! Shortly after, there are leaked photos, one that supposedly had coordinates, leading you to a "black box" in Google Sky. I also found something in Google Sky that has a MAJOR HEAT SIGNATURE when viewed in infrared, which is what you would need to see a Brown Dwarf, and when in normal light spectrum, the anomaly is red with what appears to be satellites or planets! While in infrared, I discovered a second black box!"

Read more here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bzW2Mt7oOI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bzW2Mt7oOI

[Calz]

Great job bashi :)

I have been vacationing with limited net access so just catching up on what you have added here.

[zeropoint]

the link here:
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/YTqom/~3/rmMwzFkq00M/nibiruplanet-x-pictures-by-professional.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email

any feedback from photographers etc. is very welcome

[giovonni]

thanks for posting this zerpoint...
it would be safe to say (from these pic's) it's not a comet:photo:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PSMG_xGOXsE#at=208
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PSMG_xGOXsE#at=208

[onawah]

Milk Hill of June 2009 seems to predict a new, bright astronomical object in our solar system, possibly a comet or even an extra planet, on the new Moon of June 1, 2011
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/time2011b.html

[The Truth Is In There]

yes, maybe the three earthquakes in chile, new zealand and japan that happened when earth was in the gravity trough between "comet" elenin and the sun were pure coincidence, just like that fact that there are now hundreds of smaller earthquakes all over the planet every day, and that it's getting more and more as "comet" elenin comes closer. maybe that's what most concerned people should believe to stay calm and live their day to day lives along with the part of the population that is still asleep. i'm ready for the worst case scenario and use the fine weather to get my garden in shape in order to start growing food again after "comet" elenin has passed. we're all being prepared in different ways by our higher selves and i for one am dead sure the pole shift is coming, if not in september, which is the most likely date, then it will still be just a matter of months.

[bashi]

A few Russians did it.

Let me get back at you on that, okay? :)

That would be nice...

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I could not watch you drafting your last will. ;)
No question about Earth changes. But its not Elenin...


I, for one, would be interested to hear your views on what will cause possible (certain?) Earth changes, Bashi, if you think this is a good place, that is. Thanks.

Sorry, this is about Elenin etc..