Planet X/Nibiru/Tyche/Hercolobus/Elenin

[The Truth Is In There]

Edit:
At some point it should be between us and the sun. If it indeed is a very large object (like a brown dwarf) it will block our view of the sun.

1. The only way we could see a brown dwarf with the naked eye is when it blocks other stars
2. Some claim that this event could well be the 3 days of darkness from the bible.

i do not believe that it will be large enough to block our view of the sun. the three days of darkness will only be in the northern hemisphere because of the pole shift. the northern hemisphere will face away from planet x and the sun for three days while it passes - possibly sep 26-28, hence the three days of darkness. the good thing may be that any CMEs during that time won't hit the northern half of the planet, not directly, anyway.

i think it will be visible with the naked eye or rather its corona will be visible when it triggers CMEs. that's also how it's described in prophecies and religious scriptures.

[greybeard]

While this thread is about Elenin I would say that perhaps much that has been attributed to the comet is actually coming from an approaching massive band of energy as stated in the Coast to Coast interview of David Sereda who at least has some credentials regarding the study of Astro Physics
At the risk of being monotonus here is the link


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNgUdg2NAmc

I have no way of assessing such information and rely on bashi and other more acquaint with the subject.

views on this video would be appreciated, perhaps else where or even by PM

Chris

[witchy1]

Thanks TSD. I wonder if an alternative to the "ring of fire" quakes has been considered tho. (This post may be in the wrong place mods sorry)

I am sure everyone is aware of the French testing at Muroroa Atoll up intil 1997. What people may not realise is how many were actually detonated. 147 underground and 41 atmospheric. Now Im no scientist, but that sort of power shaking our plates can only lead to weakness if not fractures! Why did they have to let of 200 odd nuclear weapons - is there something in the pacific they want eradicated???

By way of a breif history: They were only stopped after New Zealand sent two warships to protest and took France to the International Court of Justice.
French insistence on testing was a key reason New Zealand passed its Nuclear Free Zone Act in 1987
France went underground, holding 147 underground tests were then conducted at Mururoa and neighbouring Fangataufa until all testing stopped in 1996.
A 1979 test caused part of the atoll to collapse at the time, flooding the island.
Mururoa has been left with large radioactive caverns which are not currently believed to be open to the ocean. (others say the are open)

http://fijitoday.wordpress.com/2011/04/ ... s-a-major/ (http://fijitoday.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/nuclear-fiji-worries-mururoa-atoll-will-collapse-and-the-currents-would-carry-the-radiation-west-toward-the-cook-islands-samoa-tonga-and-fiji-%E2%80%9Cit-should-be-emphasised-that-there-is-a-major/)

This is a photo of a 914 kiloton thermonuclear device in the Mururoa Atoll on July 3, 1970. The nuclear device was suspended from a balloon, which was filled with 14,000 cubic meters of helium, 500 meters (1600 feet) feet over the Dindon testing sector

http://29.media.tumblr.com/0mMBTh95H5whilu5tmtALyAX_500.jpghttp://souvenirs-de-mer.blogdns.net/IMG/jpg/MURUROA-FANGATAUFA.jpghttp://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00675/mururoa_675109n.jpg

France carried out almost 200 nuclear tests in French Polynesia between 1966 and 1996.
The party says during this time France was allowed to use the Moruroa atoll free for its nuclear weapons tests. France continues its research on the Moruroa atoll under the protection of the military http://abcasiapacificnews.com/stories/2 ... tm?desktop

So just thought I would put it out there - this may be the reason for all the earthquakes? (either that or they are nuking atlantis / Mu)

[OnyxKnight]

A few Russians did it.

Let me get back at you on that, okay? :)

That would be nice...

From what I found so far is that they used acoustic frequency targeted at a specific spot on the Moon. What they got back on their equipment was ringing sounds.

I can't find the names of the scientists. But I believe its the same Russian scientists like the duo from the early 70s that proposed a 'Spaceship Moon' theory, I believe, for the first time. They were Alexander Scherbakov and Mihkai Vasin.

Since this object is supposed to get near the Moon, I was thinking maybe a similar experiment can be attempted. Although because of the size of the object, focusing such a concentrated sound might be difficult.

But I can't prove it to you in any other way. This is the only way it can be proven.

Maybe if pictures of the 'send-off' are taken, you may change your mind.

[nearing]

bashi:
Do you really think that an astronomer would have problems in finding an object which is 20 times bigger than Mars and nearly as close as Mars?
Therefore ELENIN can not be a brown dwarf.

If it is a brown dwarf, they wouldn't be able to see it other than with a very big infrared telescope. This is why the amateur astronomer finding it is bunk. (he may have found an incidental comet out there near it, but not the Dwarf that IS perturbing us when it aligns, according to the JPL software).

It's cold, gives off no light. Will not be seen until it is close enough to reflect our sun's light.

You haven't debunked the Brown Dwarf theory, imho.

[Operator]

bashi:
Do you really think that an astronomer would have problems in finding an object which is 20 times bigger than Mars and nearly as close as Mars?
Therefore ELENIN can not be a brown dwarf.

If it is a brown dwarf, they wouldn't be able to see it other than with a very big infrared telescope. This is why the amateur astronomer finding it is bunk. (he may have found an incidental comet out there near it, but not the Dwarf that IS perturbing us when it aligns, according to the JPL software).

It's cold, gives off no light. Will not be seen until it is close enough to reflect our sun's light.

You haven't debunked the Brown Dwarf theory, imho.

Problem is that we start trusting the JPL data ... while JPL has a dubious history too.
I have not made my mind up yet ... just monitoring all the bits and pieces on this topic, evaluating them as best as I can.

One theory (still) is that the earthquakes are man made (or amplified/aimed energy bursts from the sun) specifically synchronized with the JPL data
(or vice versa) to scare the hell out of 'awake' observers.

So what's the status on (amateur) astronomers' difficulty to find this thing ... real or bogus ?
That might give us a better clue on what's real and what not.

[truthseekerdan]

Hi folks, more info...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lycEGSV9hhY

[nearing]

One theory (still) is that the earthquakes are man made (or amplified/aimed energy bursts from the sun) specifically synchronized with the JPL data
(or vice versa) to scare the hell out of 'awake' observers.

So what's the status on (amateur) astronomers' difficulty to find this thing ... real or bogus ?
That might give us a better clue on what's real and what not.

That is true, they certainly COULD be doing that. Seems a bit expensive and elaborate of a program if only to scare awake individuals (there aren't that many of us) and many of us in that category aren't scared at all but more amused.

And don't forget the uptick in smaller earthquakes since the New Year (as it gets much closer), the magnetic pole drifting, the animals deaths, the moon 'turning' to a strange position, etc. Do you think man has the capability of making all of those things happen at once too?

And then we have the predictions of the ancient texts and inscriptions, too numerous to list. Oh, and the 3600 year cyclical extinction events. Hmmm.

Time will tell, of course. It's a great show! I am loving it! No doom in my heart. This is the reason I came to be here now. I WANT to be a part of this event!

[truthseekerdan]

There are many signs that nobody can deny (unless likes to live in denial). ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfX5zl6ynbU

[Operator]

One theory (still) is that the earthquakes are man made (or amplified/aimed energy bursts from the sun) specifically synchronized with the JPL data
(or vice versa) to scare the hell out of 'awake' observers.

So what's the status on (amateur) astronomers' difficulty to find this thing ... real or bogus ?
That might give us a better clue on what's real and what not.

That is true, they certainly COULD be doing that. Seems a bit expensive and elaborate of a program if only to scare awake individuals (there aren't that many of us) and many of us in that category aren't scared at all but more amused.

And don't forget the uptick in smaller earthquakes since the New Year (as it gets much closer), the magnetic pole drifting, the animals deaths, the moon 'turning' to a strange position, etc. Do you think man has the capability of making all of those things happen at once too?

And then we have the predictions of the ancient texts and inscriptions, too numerous to list. Oh, and the 3600 year cyclical extinction events. Hmmm.

Time will tell, of course. It's a great show! I am loving it! No doom in my heart. This is the reason I came to be here now. I WANT to be a part of this event!

What you say is true ... it's however not the hard more scientific evidence we're looking for.
I don't mind doing some brainstorming ... it might open some new visions to investigate.

The reason I brought up the man-made issue and the scare theme is because it follows the warnings made by Wernher von Braun.
The asteroid problem would come before the alien scare tactics and they seem to be moving that direction already too.
Is this their attempt of the asteroid scare tactics ?
Besides the assumptions we can make it's up to them (originators of such plans) to give a more elaborate answer on the "why
spending money on it" question.

[ponda]

Hi folks, more info...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lycEGSV9hhY


Nice find Dan

One question might be that if this is indeed accurate how long are they going to be able to keep a lid on this from the mainstream media and if/when it breaks what then...

[nearing]

One theory (still) is that the earthquakes are man made (or amplified/aimed energy bursts from the sun) specifically synchronized with the JPL data
(or vice versa) to scare the hell out of 'awake' observers.

So what's the status on (amateur) astronomers' difficulty to find this thing ... real or bogus ?
That might give us a better clue on what's real and what not.

That is true, they certainly COULD be doing that. Seems a bit expensive and elaborate of a program if only to scare awake individuals (there aren't that many of us) and many of us in that category aren't scared at all but more amused.

And don't forget the uptick in smaller earthquakes since the New Year (as it gets much closer), the magnetic pole drifting, the animals deaths, the moon 'turning' to a strange position, etc. Do you think man has the capability of making all of those things happen at once too?

And then we have the predictions of the ancient texts and inscriptions, too numerous to list. Oh, and the 3600 year cyclical extinction events. Hmmm.

Time will tell, of course. It's a great show! I am loving it! No doom in my heart. This is the reason I came to be here now. I WANT to be a part of this event!

What you say is true ... it's however not the hard more scientific evidence we're looking for.
I don't mind doing some brainstorming ... it might open some new visions to investigate.

The reason I brought up the man-made issue and the scare theme is because it follows the warnings made by Wernher von Braun.
The asteroid problem would come before the alien scare tactics and they seem to be moving that direction already too.
Is this their attempt of the asteroid scare tactics ?
Besides the assumptions we can make it's up to them (originators of such plans) to give a more elaborate answer on the "why
spending money on it" question.

I would like more scientific proof too. Problem with that is that any scientist who goes near it gets laughed at because the government hasn't admitted it. "Gee, if it were true, wouldn't the government have told us by now?" And I personally think many were told to stay away from this subject due to the problem of spreading panic, which IS a real concern.

I think the government would rather that people be kept in the dark on this issue. And the government may have closed this down.

If we were in their shoes, we may have done the same thing. What would be the use of announcing that huge catastrophes for which we have to way of stopping are headed our way, especially if they know that no one really has a chance of surviving it unless they live underground for up to a year?

Let them all live blissfully in ignorance until the end.

¤=[Post Update]=¤



Hi folks, more info...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lycEGSV9hhY


Nice find Dan

One question might be that if this is indeed accurate how long are they going to be able to keep a lid on this from the mainstream media and if/when it breaks what then...

They are going to keep it quiet until they absolutely can't anymore and even then they will downplay it.

[greybeard]

I suspect you are right nearing.

What I do think is good is that this thread looks at what information we have, thanks to all who contribute with videos etc, in an adult balanced way with respectful interaction.
Chris

[ponda]

nearing said:

They are going to keep it quiet until they absolutely can't anymore and even then they will downplay it.


Yes that makes perfect sense.You would think that they would have to start to close a lot of stuff down at some stage.Things like nuclear power plants etc.A lot of what 'they' have been doing over the past decades is starting to make sense now.The underground bases,racking up the debt,securing oil fields etc and now they have compulsory government alerts built into mobile phones.

[truthseekerdan]

Nice find Dan

One question might be that if this is indeed accurate how long are they going to be able to keep a lid on this from the mainstream media and if/when it breaks what then...

Thanks ponda, those in the 'know' (elite) rely on DUMS. Are they going to be safe? That's the question... IMHO don't think so.

P1jIG5KSeMs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1jIG5KSeMs

[ponda]

truthseekerdan said:

those in the 'know' (elite) rely on DUMS. Are they going to be safe? That's the question... IMHO don't think so.



I just can't help but think that there are other factors involved here that 'they' aren't aware of.

[nearing]

Well, I am off to take my medical Board exam now. Prayers would be helpful!

See you all on the other side of this long road I have been on...
:typing::help:

[Operator]

I suspect you are right nearing.

What I do think is good is that this thread looks at what information we have, thanks to all who contribute with videos etc, in an adult balanced way with respectful interaction.
Chris

Hi Chris,

I posted a question for you somewhere else (can't even find it myself no more) and it got snowed under. It 's maybe a bit off-topic but I
think still related now DUMBS are mentioned again.

I think I've read somewhere that you summarized 'The Event' and that an extra terrestrial group was awaiting more of them to arrive correct ?
If you could confirm this then my question in general to everyone was:

"Could the DUMBs and Chinese ghost towns be a preparation for such an arrival ?"

Since movies are about programming ... I got this idea from a movie like district 9 in which earthlings don't know what to do with them and
want to relocate them outside our own living areas. DUMBs could be e.g. quarantine areas.

We may need to open a new thread if responses to this post tend to divert from the topic too much.

[greybeard]

Hi operator
I try to keep it as simple as possible.
ETs just add to my confusion.
I think I answered you some where though.

anyway

If friendly aliens are coming here to survive a disaster on their own planet I would not have a prob with that but like you said that another subject.

Chris

[truthseekerdan]

More mysteries explained in this great documentary. An old goodie, also recommended for Bashi to watch. ;)

AHBBXiLPHOU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHBBXiLPHOU

[OnyxKnight]

It's cold, gives off no light. Will not be seen until it is close enough to reflect our sun's light.

You haven't debunked the Brown Dwarf theory, imho.

As somebody acquainted a lil bit with astronomy, I disagree.

Brown dwarfs may be failed stars, or in other words they have failed to sustain hydrogen-1 fusion reactions in their core, that main sequence stars have, but they still radiate heat!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Brown_Dwarf_Binary_CFBDSIR_1458%2B10.tif/lossy-page1-600px-Brown_Dwarf_Binary_CFBDSIR_1458%2B10.tif.jpg

As you can see, the heat does emit light. Faint, but its there.

Also, even if it was cold as Jupiter, it should be visible if its as close as Pluto, let alone near Mars.

And take in consideration that the size and heat that a brown dwarf radiates should make the sub-star even more visible, especially if its anywhere near the inner Solar System.

Like I said before, the brown dwarf theory is bollocks.


And then we have the predictions of the ancient texts and inscriptions, too numerous to list. Oh, and the 3600 year cyclical extinction events. Hmmm.

lol, oh really?

Care to compose a timetable?

These "cycles" are not precise, at all.

[truthseekerdan]

There are many types of Brown Dwarfs out there. Some are as cold as just a few degrees above absolute zero, and not easily seen even in infrared...

[OnyxKnight]

There are many types of Brown Dwarfs out there. Some are as cold as just a few degrees above absolute zero, and not easily seen even in infrared...


Y: < 500 K, ultra-cool brown dwarfs (theoretical)

As of early 2009, the coolest known brown dwarfs have estimated effective temperatures between 500 and 600 K, and have been assigned the spectral class T9. Three examples are the brown dwarfs CFBDS J005910.90-011401.3, ULAS J133553.45+113005.2, and ULAS J003402.77−005206.7.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_dwarf

There are no known brown dwarfs the class you are suggesting.

What does fit the class you suggest, is a large Jovian planet, with big mass, and warm gases flowing in its atmosphere, that reach temperatures above zero.

The problem with that is, even if it was Jovian, it would still be visible if it was near the inner solar system!

I dunno how many times this needs to be repeated.

If it was a warm Jovian planet like you suggest, to have that temperature, it would have to be in orbit somewhere in between the orbits of Earth and Mars

[truthseekerdan]

OnyxK, there is a lot of info about this subject. One just have to do more digging...

Ma3TNlIZC_I

http://coolcosmos.ipac.caltech.edu/cosmic_classroom/cosmic_reference/brown_dwarfs.html

¤=[Post Update]=¤

One more here: http://wise.ssl.berkeley.edu/science_browndwarfs.html

[OnyxKnight]

OnyxK, there is a lot of info about this subject. One just have to do more digging...

Ma3TNlIZC_I

http://coolcosmos.ipac.caltech.edu/cosmic_classroom/cosmic_reference/brown_dwarfs.html

¤=[Post Update]=¤

One more here: http://wise.ssl.berkeley.edu/science_browndwarfs.html

And all this goes contrary to what I said - how exactly?

With all this you just confirmed what I said in the previous post.

[bashi]

Welcome home bashi ;) The fact of the matter is that no one knows exactly what ELEnin is, or even if there is another object(s) coming with it... We will have to wait and be dazzled. :)


That is not correct. We know something (not all) about cosmic bodies. The observed features of ELENIN are clearly showing that it is not a Brown Dwarf. If you ignore facts, then you are at risc of misjudgement...

The video you posted is pure fearmongering.
The c-span snip of "Rep. John Hailer" is a proven HOAX!
It has been discussed already a year ago here on Avalon:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bzW2Mt7oOI

[bashi]

From what I found so far is that they used acoustic frequency targeted at a specific spot on the Moon. What they got back on their equipment was ringing sounds.

I can't find the names of the scientists. But I believe its the same Russian scientists like the duo from the early 70s that proposed a 'Spaceship Moon' theory, I believe, for the first time. They were Alexander Scherbakov and Mihkai Vasin.

Since this object is supposed to get near the Moon, I was thinking maybe a similar experiment can be attempted. Although because of the size of the object, focusing such a concentrated sound might be difficult.

But I can't prove it to you in any other way. This is the only way it can be proven.

Maybe if pictures of the 'send-off' are taken, you may change your mind.

That can't be! Acoustic waves can NOT travel to the moon and come back, simply because there is no medium (air) which can transmit them.

.

[bashi]

bashi:
Do you really think that an astronomer would have problems in finding an object which is 20 times bigger than Mars and nearly as close as Mars?
Therefore ELENIN can not be a brown dwarf.

If it is a brown dwarf, they wouldn't be able to see it other than with a very big infrared telescope. This is why the amateur astronomer finding it is bunk. (he may have found an incidental comet out there near it, but not the Dwarf that IS perturbing us when it aligns, according to the JPL software).

It's cold, gives off no light. Will not be seen until it is close enough to reflect our sun's light.

You haven't debunked the Brown Dwarf theory, imho.

We are talking about the proof that Elenin can NOT be a brown dwarf. You didn't understand my logic: I am not debunking any Brown Dwarf theory EXCEPT that Elenin is a BD.

[Rocky_Shorz]

as for earth changes...

something I noticed that was curious this week on stereo...

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/ace/Epam_p_7d.gif?foo=1306950295

notice the breaks at the exact same time each day? from what I've been watching these breaks only happen on a burst, but at the same time every day? That is the earthside info, and it is also showing up on A and B, any ideas?

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/stereo/data/impact_p_B_5m_7d.gif?foo=1306950635

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/stereo/data/impact_p_A_5m_7d.gif?foo=1306950635

whales only sing once a day?

Dark Energy counts from SDO peak at the same time.

http://lasp.colorado.edu/eve/data_access/quicklook/quicklook_data/latest_3day.png

it takes 3 days for the energy to reach us which means right now the plates are charging and quakes have already started growing.

Magnitude 6.3
Date-Time

Friday, June 03, 2011 at 00:05:03 UTC
Friday, June 03, 2011 at 10:05:03 AM at epicenter
Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones

Location 37.294°N, 143.912°E
Depth 31 km (19.3 miles)

[bashi]

bashi:
Do you really think that an astronomer would have problems in finding an object which is 20 times bigger than Mars and nearly as close as Mars?
Therefore ELENIN can not be a brown dwarf.

If it is a brown dwarf, they wouldn't be able to see it other than with a very big infrared telescope. This is why the amateur astronomer finding it is bunk. (he may have found an incidental comet out there near it, but not the Dwarf that IS perturbing us when it aligns, according to the JPL software).

It's cold, gives off no light. Will not be seen until it is close enough to reflect our sun's light.

You haven't debunked the Brown Dwarf theory, imho.

Problem is that we start trusting the JPL data ... while JPL has a dubious history too.
I have not made my mind up yet ... just monitoring all the bits and pieces on this topic, evaluating them as best as I can.

One theory (still) is that the earthquakes are man made (or amplified/aimed energy bursts from the sun) specifically synchronized with the JPL data
(or vice versa) to scare the hell out of 'awake' observers.

So what's the status on (amateur) astronomers' difficulty to find this thing ... real or bogus ?
That might give us a better clue on what's real and what not.

JPL data has been used to create the scare and to prove that Elenin must be a Brown Dwarf. If you question now the data, then you question ANY discussion.

.

[Rocky_Shorz]

now notice since I first pointed it out how it is no longer affecting the earth side Sat, but dark energy count remains in the same cycle...

can anyone say...

intervention... ;)

[OnyxKnight]

That can't be! Acoustic waves can NOT travel to the moon and come back, simply because there is no medium (air) which can transmit them.

.

Well, I'm no scientist. You might wanna ask those guys for clarification.

I know whatever sound they "sent" there, bounced off and registered in their equipment as a hollow object. The feedback they got was that.

If you have any other ideas on how to determine if the object is artificial, I'm all ears (eyes I mean).

[bashi]

Hi folks, more info...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lycEGSV9hhY

This video is complete scientific BS! He does not even know the basic features of a photon. All these supposed effects are read out of a cup of cold morning coffee. :wacko:
The guy is actually funny.
He says:"Location and tracking ELENIN does not require a large telescope" and then all you can see
are pictures made by Google SKY and JPL.

TSD: You and this guy are doing exactly what TPTB wants you to do: Scare, Scare, Scare

Who ever has eyes to see and a brain to think should do it.
The rest can follow the piper.
Enough said.

.

[bashi]

There are many signs that nobody can deny (unless likes to live in denial). ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfX5zl6ynbU

I watched only the first 15 seconds of the video and have a question:

Please explain REASONABLY how a Brown Dwarf far, far away can kill birds here on Earth ?

Was it the Death ray of the Annunaki?

.

[bashi]

One question might be that if this is indeed accurate how long are they going to be able to keep a lid on this from the mainstream media and if/when it breaks what then...

No need for a lid. THEY are creating it. This scare tactic will seep slowly into MSN and we will say: See, we told you before!
Anyhow, THEY might announce the Alien False Flag soon, and TSD will explain why it is exactly so.
;)

[Rocky_Shorz]

Please explain REASONABLY how a Brown Dwarf far, far away can kill birds here on Earth ?

[/COLOR][/SIZE]

.

naaa that was the Thorium in the chemtrails that created anti-matter bursts...

[Operator]

JPL data has been used to create the scare and to prove that Elenin must be a Brown Dwarf. If you question now the data, then you question ANY discussion.
.

Yes, maybe I do ... as longs as we don't anchor our discussion on data points we can trust the discussion will go anywhere.
Currently we're floating all around videos like Mr. A says this, Mr. B thinks that etc. ... So the discussion will not come to a conclusion (soon anyway).

Edit: I am not only questioning the data now ... I have questioned it many times before

[Rocky_Shorz]

scare tactics from a little old space rock?


Attack On Japan, US Linked To ‘Alien Whale Race’ Nearing Earth


By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers


Even worse, this report goes on to claim that the catastrophic 11March 2011 Tōhoku Earthquake and Tsunami, that left Japan with over 30,000 dead, wounded and missing, and causing the worst nuclear disaster in modern human history, was, ‘without any doubt’, also, caused by this mysterious ‘alien whale race’.

The ‘method of attack’ employed by this ‘alien whale race’ against Japan, this report continues, was the ‘super-heating’ of the Earth’s ionosphere above the Pacific Plate subduction zone near northern Honshu causing it to rupture in a staggeringly large area estimated to be 500 km in length (310 mi) with a width of 200 km (120 mi) which unleashed a 9.0 magnitude super-quake and a tsunami said to have been over 100 meters in height.

Dimitar Ouzounov from the United States NASA Goddard Space Flight Centre in Maryland, and his team, utilizing France’s DEMETER Satellite, confirmed the findings of Russian scientists in this report after their finding that in the days prior to the Great Tōhoku Earthquake and Tsunami the atmosphere over Japan did indeed heat to levels never before seen. [photo 2nd left]

To why Japan and the US would be specifically targeted by this ‘alien whale race’ appears to lie in new evidence linking these two nations to a ‘secret whaling plot’ discovered in the WikiLeaks release of American documents that would allow the Japanese to begin ‘harvesting’ whales off of their coast.link (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1484.htm)

[bashi]

More mysteries explained in this great documentary. An old goodie, also recommended for Bashi to watch. ;)



Nice vid! Yes Sri Yukteshwar said a cycle is 24000 years and not, as stated mostly 25600 years.
Good that they now found out that he was right in the first place.

We are talking here about ELENIN and the "proof" that it is a BD, isn`t it?
We are not discussing whether our system is binary in general.

[bashi]

That can't be! Acoustic waves can NOT travel to the moon and come back, simply because there is no medium (air) which can transmit them.

.

Well, I'm no scientist. You might wanna ask those guys for clarification.

I know whatever sound they "sent" there, bounced off and registered in their equipment as a hollow object. The feedback they got was that.

If you have any other ideas on how to determine if the object is artificial, I'm all ears (eyes I mean).

Well, with your connections, lets consider this idea:
We fly there together and have a closer look personally.
What do you think? Promise, i will not faint. ;)

¤=[Post Update]=¤




JPL data has been used to create the scare and to prove that Elenin must be a Brown Dwarf. If you question now the data, then you question ANY discussion.
.

Yes, maybe I do ... as longs as we don't anchor our discussion on data points we can trust the discussion will go anywhere.
Currently we're floating all around videos like Mr. A says this, Mr. B thinks that etc. ... So the discussion will not come to a conclusion (soon anyway).

Edit: I am not only questioning the data now ... I have questioned it many times before

maybe you can dig into my first 2 posts...

[OnyxKnight]

Well, with your connections, lets consider this idea:
We fly there together and have a closer look personally.
What do you think? Promise, i will not faint. ;)


If I was in the mood for joking, I'd go to the off-topic section of the forum.

A serious topic requires a serious attitude.

[bashi]

Well, with your connections, lets consider this idea:
We fly there together and have a closer look personally.
What do you think? Promise, i will not faint. ;)


If I was in the mood for joking, I'd go to the off-topic section of the forum.

A serious topic requires a serious attitude.

OK, lets get serious again. :cool: :
Well, i stated and proved that Elenin is very likely natural as it behaves naturally..
You stated that its artificial and when i asked for proof, you passed the buck back to me. :p
So what made you think it is artificial?

.

[Operator]

maybe you can dig into my first 2 posts...

Hi, I did ...



Anyhow, i noticed that the current orbit of Elenin displayed is very different than the orbit displayed a month ago.


I am not sure here ... did you mean the 'JPL' data was different one month later ?

How do they determine such an exact orbit anyway if it is so far away and at least so difficult to spot that only one out of many (amateur) astronomers finds it by sheer coincidence ?

I have no clue which direction you are leaning toward yourself now ...

1. It's just a comet, it's natural, it's all a non-event
2. It's a bogus event, all cooked by JPL ...
3. Something else ...

I have stated in another post (can't remember where) that 2 is possible since Wernher von Braun predicted it and it looks like
we are hurdling to a fake alien attack also. Chronologically the asteroid threats would come first. Besides Elenin there is also
still Honda on the menu for this year.

English is not my native language, maybe I missed some details to get a clear picture what you are saying.

[OnyxKnight]

Well, with your connections, lets consider this idea:
We fly there together and have a closer look personally.
What do you think? Promise, i will not faint. ;)


If I was in the mood for joking, I'd go to the off-topic section of the forum.

A serious topic requires a serious attitude.

OK, lets get serious again. :cool: :
Well, i stated and proved that Elenin is very likely natural as it behaves naturally..
You stated that its artificial and when i asked for proof, you passed the buck back to me. :p
So what made you think it is artificial?

.

One of my contacts said that the 'it' should drop something here and continue on its way.

BTW, our Moon looks natural too. Doesn't make it so, does it?

[bashi]

maybe you can dig into my first 2 posts...

Hi, I did ...



Anyhow, i noticed that the current orbit of Elenin displayed is very different than the orbit displayed a month ago.


I am not sure here ... did you mean the 'JPL' data was different one month later ?

How do they determine such an exact orbit anyway if it is so far away and at least so difficult to spot that only one out of many (amateur) astronomers finds it by sheer coincidence ?

I have no clue which direction you are leaning toward yourself now ...

1. It's just a comet, it's natural, it's all a non-event
2. It's a bogus event, all cooked by JPL ...
3. Something else ...

I have stated in another post (can't remember where) that 2 is possible since Wernher von Braun predicted it and it looks like
we are hurdling to a fake alien attack also. Chronologically the asteroid threats would come first. Besides Elenin there is also
still Honda on the menu for this year.

English is not my native language, maybe I missed some details to get a clear picture what you are saying.

I actually meant my first 2 posts from yesterday.

You are correct, it is not easy to determine an orbit. So the first orbit-calculation was a kind of preliminary one, with a lot of uncertainty. Later, as more measuring points were available, they corrected the orbit.

Some astronomers are better, busier and luckier than others; and someone has to be the first.

Its nr. 1 - in my opinion.
But a hype is created like in a false alien flag. A lot of professional effort and resources has been used to misguide people who can not judge, as they do not have a scientific background. The rest is done by internet-dynamics.
.

[Operator]

The rest is done by internet-dynamics.

Right, I think so too. I don't mind to speculate (a lot). Fantasy and imagination keeps one young at heart.
But all too often lots of people 'jump' to conclusions while they forget that it is all based on speculation.

Even in court guilt cannot be proven unless there is irrefutable evidence. Until that time innocence has to be assumed.
I have not seen any irrefutable evidence in this case.

[bashi]

One of my contacts said that the 'it' should drop something here and continue on its way.

BTW, our Moon looks natural too. Doesn't make it so, does it?

The US sounded the moon and they got s- and p-waves back for a certain thickness and only p-waves for areas deeper than that. That indicated a very solid top crust, then a solid shell and a "jelly" core. Thats the "standard" version.
I heard there were certain anomalies...
They had seismic recording stations which picked up periodic signals. These stations were broadcasting the results back to Earth and everybody could listen to it. So they installed a mirror on the moon, switched of the stations and use a laser-beam now. Modern interferometry makes it possible to hear the Greys on the other side drop a spanner, while nobody else can eavesdrop... :cool:

[dddanieljjjamesss]

Thank you, Bashi.

[jack]

if elenin is the blue star kachina then what is the red star kachina? i mean, if "elenin" is not planet x and yet was responsible for the earthquakes in chile, new zealand and japan when it aligned with earth and the sun it has to be a gigantic object. i don't see how this could be the blue star (= the precursor) and not the red star (= the destroyer). honestly, if it did cause those earthquakes at that distance it has to be the destroyer. but at least calleman is right about his calendar end date, september/october will be one hell of a climax.

Hey there the truth is in there.

Something you might find of interest ;

http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/Comet-Explosion-Generates-Numerous-Mini-Comets-2.jpg

This is comet holmes after it exploded in 2007 to become the largest object in our solar system, with a diameter even larger then our sun.

This could be refered to as the blue star kachina simply due to its overwhelming size and luminosity. Of this im not sure, but it definitly seems a likely candidate.

This is my take as well. Holmes was the BK, what is coming in the Fall is the RK

¤=[Post Update]=¤



my concern with Elinin is that we don't know if it's orbit is going to be disturbed via passage through or near the asteroid belt. OK. I just checked, it has passed through the asteroid belt.

Here's something else to consider ...
What if the orbit is disturbed by one of the inner planets, or worse earths orbit is influenced by it's passage.
If it indeed is big (i.e. a brown dwarf, or mini solar system) we might get sucked into a new solar system taking us out of here ...

I know it sounds far fetched but this thought was triggered by the fact that the applet of JPL just let's everything continue after the passage.
Maybe it still is a small comet and the applet is correct ... but the alignments tend to point in another direction.

This happening would be the biggest thing EVER to have happened to mankind (and maybe the Earth too). IT must be massive and it IS going to be very close to us. I see the possibility.

I wonder how close it came 3600 yrs ago and 7200 yrs ago? It didn't snatch us then but maybe it was farther away when it swung by?[COLOR="red"]



What i'd also love to know is how all of them highly advanced cities which we are now finding underwater come to their bizzare end in some cases submerged at a depth of more than half a mile on the ocean floor.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1067/1327413198_48c855e9c0_o.jpg


A lot of these places look like the ancient wonders we see in egypt even ones which lie worlds away. Most seem to centralise their structural significance around large pyramids which are seen all over the world, so many which had remained invisible to us in the past covered up by the fertile landscape but recent technologies using radar has started a trend of discovery which doesnt seem to be slowing down. What did these people know about pyramids that we dont. And what happened to such a seemingly advanced civilisation which they could not prevent.

[ROMANWKT]

Hi All
I just got this and read it from Kerrys blog on Camelot, and if this is true and I think it is, then the ELENIN affect on earth are Bu££$hit, YOU MUST READ. http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/fukushima.html

regards to all
roman

[Rocky_Shorz]

Sparking the fears of Minister Serdyukov, he says in this report, is that based upon the new orbit calculations for Comet Elenin, it appears in “all likelihood” that this celestial object is under some type of “intelligent control” and will approach our Earth “much closer” than originally thought this coming fall season. link (http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2011/03/01/russian-warning-issued-over-%E2%80%9Ccontrolled%E2%80%9D-comet-headed-towards-earth/)

this was from March 1st, now they've been watching it 3 months longer...

of course they wouldn't hold back info from us... would they?

[truthseekerdan]

Hi folks, more info...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lycEGSV9hhY

This video is complete scientific BS! He does not even know the basic features of a photon. All these supposed effects are read out of a cup of cold morning coffee. :wacko:

What makes you think that you actually 'know the basic features of a photon'? Care to elaborate...


TSD: You and this guy are doing exactly what TPTB wants you to do: Scare, Scare, Scare

Who ever has eyes to see and a brain to think should do it.
The rest can follow the piper.
Enough said.

Bashi my friend, I just post videos for general info, therefore it's up to everyone who reads this thread to decide for themselves if it resonates with their beliefs, etc. You can debunk all you want, but at least don't accuse me or anyone else for that matter of things that are not true. Truth is respecting other people too. For you might be irrelevant, as for me is truth.

Knowledge is something you build by experience, using the information you receive. The information itself is not knowledge. To build your own knowledge, you can use information from different sources. Having checked the information out and having experienced it, you can say: I know. Until then you were believing, you did not know.

[truthseekerdan]

More mysteries explained in this great documentary. An old goodie, also recommended for Bashi to watch. ;)



Nice vid! Yes Sri Yukteshwar said a cycle is 24000 years and not, as stated mostly 25600 years.
Good that they now found out that he was right in the first place.

We are talking here about ELENIN and the "proof" that it is a BD, isn`t it?
We are not discussing whether our system is binary in general.

You might want to re-read the title of the thread again, and the post below...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Proof-that-Comet-Elenin-doesn-t-exists%21-We-have-Nibiru-instead%21&p=234776#post234776

Peace and blessings

[Rocky_Shorz]

Hi All
I just got this and read it from Kerrys blog on Camelot, and if this is true and I think it is, then the ELENIN affect on earth are Bu££$hit, YOU MUST READ. http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/fukushima.html

regards to all
roman

careful of this link everyone, opens a BO and mirrors your browser...

I wonder if Skib would agree that the 9.0 never happened...

[ponda]

bashi said:

TSD: You and this guy are doing exactly what TPTB wants you to do: Scare, Scare, Scare

Who ever has eyes to see and a brain to think should do it.
The rest can follow the piper.
Enough said.


Hi bashi,

I don't see any evidence that anyone here is trying scare anyone else.We are all just trying to find out or get closer to the truth.

From what i've seen there is no definitive proof either way for what is going on in the solar system.

There could be a comet Elenin on its way,could be a red dwarf,could be a planet,could be a ship,could be none or all of the above.I don't think we know all that much about the bigger cosmic picture anyway to be honest.It is interesting trying to speculate though.

Some questions: Would the governments lie to us ? Can we believe everything that nasa,jpl tell us ? Do the governments,nasa,jpl know everything to start with ? Are there possible unknown components to all of this ?

Personally i think it's all part of the great game and is a good thing.Even if, say whatever is out there is a brown dwarf or large planet then there is still no guarantee that it will turn into a worse case scenario outcome anyway.

cheers

[truthseekerdan]

What is this second sun rising in the morning? Caught on May 31st. by he CFH observatory hosts a world-class, 3.6 meter optical/infrared telescope. The observatory is located atop the summit of Mauna Kea, a 4200 meter, dormant volcano located on the island of Hawaii. The CFH Telescope became operational in 1979.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi-srNSUUq0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi-srNSUUq0

This is my last post on this thread, I don't want to scare anyone anymore. :sad:

[dddanieljjjamesss]

Reading the comments on that last video, and looking at it a bit, I believe it really is the moon.
You can see it turn from orb to sliver as it raises towards the top of the screen.

[bashi]

Sparking the fears of Minister Serdyukov, he says in this report, is that based upon the new orbit calculations for Comet Elenin, it appears in “all likelihood” that this celestial object is under some type of “intelligent control” and will approach our Earth “much closer” than originally thought this coming fall season. link (http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2011/03/01/russian-warning-issued-over-%E2%80%9Ccontrolled%E2%80%9D-comet-headed-towards-earth/)

this was from March 1st, now they've been watching it 3 months longer...

of course they wouldn't hold back info from us... would they?


From your link:
"A chilling report prepared for President Medvedev by Minister Serdyukov of the Russian Defense Ministry..."
this sounds very familiar. Where did i read that before?

Just google "Minister Serdyukov Elenin" and you will see that all mayor foren have picked up this fake story by Soorcha Faal.
Its typical disinfo: First quoting something real and establishing credibility. Then webbing into it the disinfo-story...
You will never find the original story about the Minister, because it does not exist.
.

[bashi]

What makes you think that you actually 'know the basic features of a photon'? Care to elaborate...


I care:
Quote from the video:
" ...which means ELEnin reflects on light on any wavelength at all. NONE"

He says people can not see it, but if you click on the link i provided, then you can see it:

http://gustavomuler.fotografiaastronomica.com/www/images/cometas/C1010X1/

Take your time and watch the videos: Its a tiny bright speck... in a 12 inch telescope
which can display the rings of Saturn as big as a wall-paper.
This is the reality and no computer generated star map will change that.


"...by releasing extra photons that are causing Earth magnetosphere to collapse."
and here:
At 2:26 "...the photons following the magnetic lines away from the dwarf star"

Photons are not following any magnetic lines, because a Photon is not a charged particle.
A photon can therefore not collapse or influence a magnetic field.
Only moving ions/currents are influenced by mag. lines. This guy does not know that currents produce mag. fields. All this is basic science knowledge, which can be read everywhere - if you care to know...




TSD: You and this guy are doing exactly what TPTB wants you to do: Scare, Scare, Scare

Who ever has eyes to see and a brain to think should do it.
The rest can follow the piper.
Enough said.

Bashi my friend, I just post videos for general info, therefore it's up to everyone who reads this thread to decide for themselves if it resonates with their beliefs, etc. You can debunk all you want, but at least don't accuse me or anyone else for that matter of things that are not true. Truth is respecting other people too. For you might be irrelevant, as for me is truth.



You post videos to prove your Nibiru point, and when asked a question - like how the birds gets killed by Nibiru - then you do not answer.
You can not just throw these vids in and say: "If you still dont get it, then its your fault.."
At closer look most vids do not stand any objective questioning. It is DISINFO, not info.
You might think that you provide a service to others, but the effect is that :

1. You drive away more knowledgeable people, as they shy away from childish discussions.
2. You scare other people who come here to learn and have not knowledge-tools to discern
Disinfo from Info.

...and you are the cause, even if you do not want that to happen.

So, if you post, then face up to questions asked regarding your posts:
Questioning is not debunking.

Please explain how a Brown Dwarf can kill a flock of birds here on Earth!

Disinfo can be debunked. If you continue to post Disinfo, then i will
continue to debunk that...



Knowledge is something you build by experience, using the information you receive. The information itself is not knowledge. To build your own knowledge, you can use information from different sources. Having checked the information out and having experienced it, you can say: I know. Until then you were believing, you did not know.


Knowledge is something you build by experience and learning, using the information you receive, seek out and filter.

Sorry to be so hard on you, but you were also hard to the people...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Sparking the fears of Minister Serdyukov, he says in this report, is that based upon the new orbit calculations for Comet Elenin, it appears in “all likelihood” that this celestial object is under some type of “intelligent control” and will approach our Earth “much closer” than originally thought this coming fall season. link (http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2011/03/01/russian-warning-issued-over-%E2%80%9Ccontrolled%E2%80%9D-comet-headed-towards-earth/)

this was from March 1st, now they've been watching it 3 months longer...

of course they wouldn't hold back info from us... would they?


From your link:
"A chilling report prepared for President Medvedev by Minister Serdyukov of the Russian Defense Ministry..."
this sounds very familiar. Where did i read that before?

Just google "Minister Serdyukov Elenin" and you will see that all mayor foren have picked up this fake story by Soorcha Faal.
Its typical disinfo: First quoting something real and establishing credibility. Then webbing into it the disinfo-story...
You will never find the original story about the Minister, because it does not exist.
.

I was already watching Sorcha and the Whales...

I brought it up for a few reasons, one to keep an eye on a new source that might be leaking important info disguised as a Sorcha spin-off.

I don't think it's a rock, more like a galactic escalator... ;)

[bashi]

Hi bashi,

I don't see any evidence that anyone here is trying scare anyone else.We are all just trying to find out or get closer to the truth.

From what i've seen there is no definitive proof either way for what is going on in the solar system.

There could be a comet Elenin on its way,could be a red dwarf,could be a planet,could be a ship,could be none or all of the above.I don't think we know all that much about the bigger cosmic picture anyway to be honest.It is interesting trying to speculate though.

Some questions: Would the governments lie to us ? Can we believe everything that nasa,jpl tell us ? Do the governments,nasa,jpl know everything to start with ? Are there possible unknown components to all of this ?

Personally i think it's all part of the great game and is a good thing.Even if, say whatever is out there is a brown dwarf or large planet then there is still no guarantee that it will turn into a worse case scenario outcome anyway.

cheers
You are right to some degree: Nobody DELIBERATELY tries to scare anybody here.
But intention and results were a bit divergent.
You have valid questions...

[truthseekerdan]

What makes you think that you actually 'know the basic features of a photon'? Care to elaborate...


I care:
All this is basic science knowledge, which can be read everywhere - if you care to know...

Bashi, it looks to me that you're trying hard to look like a scientist of some sort. Unfortunately for you, people these days are a lot smarter and know that today's main stream science is no better than religion for that matter.

If our physical being is used to attack other people, it will also harm us. However, if we willingly use our physical being in the service of others, it becomes a beautiful instrument of communication. This type of communication eliminates barriers and helps others, which in turn helps us as individuals.

If you want to turn this thread into a 'battle of who is right or wrong', I'm not going to allow you that favor. You are known for stepping on other people's toes, including the founder of this forum. Therefore I'm not convinced that you really have a benevolent agenda, and I'm done responding to you.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16250-More-Will-Come-...&p=180919&viewfull=1#post180919

[dddanieljjjamesss]

Huff puff... I'll blow your house down
'cuz I'm nibiru and I'm gonna getchaaaaaaa

[Mandala]

Wow, interesting video I found from this guy (professional photographer).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEmbj4n_TGU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEmbj4n_TGU

Very interesting video, especially pic 3 which appears to be global and reddish-brown in appearance from the picture. Worth having more information on.

[Vividity]

Like many people I read the Omerbashich paper and was extremely concerned about the possibility of a brown dwarf orbiting our sun on the JPL provided Elenin trajectory. I understood it would be visible only in the southern hemisphere at this time, so I sent emails to several astronomers in New Zealand and Australia. Dr. Andrew Williams of the Perth Observatory was kind enough to send me a lengthy reply:

"The 'paper', and all of the internet speculation about Elenin is complete nonsense. It's also not a refereed, published scientific paper. It has never been formally published, by anyone, in any form - the arXiv site is just a website, you can put whatever writings you want up there, with no review process or permission required. That arXiv website happens to be hosted at Cornell University - Omerbashich doesn't work at Cornell, and has absolutely nothing to do with Cornell, other than uploading his article to their website...

The article is full of meaningless pseudoscientific gibberish ('gravitational shadowing', etc), the statistics are ridiculous, and the data, as he's presented it, is useless to draw any conclusions from. By the time you consider the Earth, Sun, Moon, all the other planets, and this comet 'Elenin', there are dozens of combinations including the Earth and two or more other objects. If he's allowing each of these possible 'alignments' to last for three days (or an unspecified amount longer for ones involving the Sun), then an appreciable fraction of the entire year occurs just before or after one of these 'alignments'.

Look at the numbers. Earth can be paired up with any one of nine other objects, according to his table - Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Elenin. Each of these 8 possible pairs 'sweeps out' an imaginary line, extending in both directions, around the rest of the Solar System, as both objects in the pair continue on their orbits. Then, out of these nine pairs, it's an 'alignment' if any one of the remaining 8 other objects happens to be in line with that pair - so there are 72 possible 'alignment' combinations, most of which happen many times per year, some less often, depending on the orbital period of the planets involved. If each lasts three (or more) days, I doubt there's a single day per year when he couldn't claim some sort of 'alignment'...

On top of that, earthquakes occur in clusters, by their very nature - typically a main shock and several aftershocks, or several shocks along the length of a fault, as the plate moves. Most of the 'earthquakes' listed in table 1 are aftershocks, or directly linked to a larger earthquake.

It might be possible to extract some meaning from his data if he'd presented a list of every possible 'alignment' of every combination of planets, comets, Sun and Moon, and counted how many of them coincided with major earthquakes (discounting aftershocks) - and more importantly, how many of them didn't.

As for comet Elenin being a moon of a brown dwarf, that's even more ridiculous. A brown dwarf is, as you point out, just like Jupiter, only heavier. It would be hotter - radiating a lot more infrared - and slightly larger. Like Jupiter, it wouldn't actually generate much visible light, however, like Jupiter, it would be perfectly good at reflecting sunlight - which is how we see Jupiter in the sky, and why it looks so bright.

If there really were a brown dwarf in the Solar System, 270 million kilometers away from Earth (as of May 4, according to JPL - closer now), it would look just like Jupiter, only three times closer, and nine times brighter. After the Sun and the Moon, it would be the brightest thing in the sky, by far, and even a toy telescope would easily show a disk, and bands of cloud. It would have been noticed...

Even if there was some mysterious jet-black non-reflective 'brown dwarf', which is physically impossible, the effects of its gravity would have been obvious for years - asteroids and planets would have been flung out of their orbits as it came in through the Solar System."

Andrew Williams

Ian Musgrave of Australia sent me to his blog for a rebuttal of the Omerbashich paper:
http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/2011/05/comet-2010-x1-elenin-earthquakes.html

For me, this topic has now been put to rest.
Cheers

[yiolas]

Dr. Mensur Omerbashich was given the opportunity to explain in detail his hypothesis and ultimate conclusion that strong astronomical alignments as relative to earth cause earthquakes in a written question and answer session by Marshall Masters and his team.

Here is a short summary (Link to entire interview) (http://yowusa.com/planetx/2011/planetx-2011-06a/1.shtml)

Q.1. In your paper, ASTRONOMICAL ALIGNMENTS AS THE CAUSE OF ~M6+ SEISMICITY, you present Comet C/2010 X1 (Elenin) as a georesonator causality for an increased pattern of major earthquakes, all across the planet. What is a georesonator and how does this apply to Elenin?A.1. A forced mechanical oscillator is akin to soldiers step-marching across a bridge. The bridge eventually collapses when the critical resonance magnification is reached matching the grave period of oscillation of the bridge. Georesonator is one such concept in which the whole Earth is thought of as a closed mechanical oscillator forced externally by celestial bodies. As I showed back in 2003, Earth gravity responds strongly to alignments with the Moon and the Sun. Such alignments disturb Earth masses systematically and measurably so much so that magnification of mechanical resonance gets set off. I now tested the concept empirically, by using all celestial bodies in our solar system’s "plane". I was thus able to demonstrate that most bodies (when aligned in a specific fashion; for longer than around three days; etc.) are also capable of setting off the resonance magnification, thus causing earthquakes.

Q2.What was it that first drew your attention to Elenin and has incorporated this object into your research? Has it compelled you to revisit any of your previous theories?

The Elenin was suitable for testing of my concept because its trajectory, with inclination of around 1º, is virtually coplanar to our solar system. It also approaches the Sun relatively slowly, traveling along the legs of a hyperbola. These characteristics are enabling long alignments amongst the Elenin, the Earth and a third body.

The Elenin also drags gravitationally locked particles spanning 30k+ km, but neither its relatively small mass nor relatively low density constitute forbidding factors for causing strong earthquakes in the georesonator. No other object with similar properties has been noticed in our solar system in the past few decades, to the best of my knowledge.

Q3. Your georesonator concept, as applied to the Elenin, is based on your hyperresonator equations. What inspired you to first conceive your hyperresonator equations?

Clearly, the georesonator was just a special case, as it applied to a specific set of closed mechanical oscillators. I wanted to see if generalizing the concept to the absolute realm would have a physical meaning too. So I developed absolute generalization in 2006 and 2008, and called it the hyperresonator.

Q4. Your hyperresonator equations also challenge the validity of Einstein's General Relativity theory and Planck's Quantum Physics. As a former geologist for the Berkeley National Laboratory in California and the Geophysics Institute of Hungary in Budapest, how have your peers responded to your hyperresonator equations?

Hyperresonator equations do not simply challenge, but immediately invalidate both Einstein's General Relativity and Planck's Quantum Physics theory as fundamentally flawed. Newton’s assumption on constancy of G, and the faked "physical units" he attached thereupon to G only in order to close his theory physically as well as mathematically, have made his theory obviously flawed to begin with.

Q6. Many are concerned with the ongoing changes in the Comet Elenin's orbit and some have speculated that it is "under intelligent control." Have you found any evidence whatsoever to corroborate this intelligent control theory and if not, what do you believe accounts for these orbital changes?

I was not concerned with such changes, be them real or not. I used the Elenin’s latest trajectory solutions. All I can say is that the Elenin has been behaving as postulated by my concepts, just as all planets in our solar system do.

Q7. You mention 'Gravitational Shadowing' throughout your research paper. Could you explain what is meant by that term and how it applies to the discussion of Comet Elenin?

Gravitational shadowing is explained and illustrated in my 2008 paper titled ‘Scale Invariability’ (http://arxiv.org/abs/0801.0876). Recall that Newton saw gravity as an unexplainable "attraction between mass objects acting upon each other at distance". Scientists nowadays would call it a paranormal phenomenon and most certainly would stay away from it. ................So, I asked myself: what if gravity is actually a mechanical vibration along the masterfully tuned aether (also known as fabric of Space, vacuum energy, etc.), coming from all directions simultaneously to the observed body? Such a generalization turned out fruitful indeed, as I was able to derive my hyperresonator equations demonstrating that an oscillating-orbiting system is not structured in an arbitrary fashion but is instead tuned, from scale to scale.

Q11. When compared with the Comet Halley, the coma of Elenin is half the size. Likewise, when compared with Comet Hale-Bopp, which was a bright magnitude 0 comet, Elenin will at best, be a magnitude 4 or 6 - just visible to the unaided eye. Lacking the size and brightness of any number of great comets and by a substantial factor, how is it that Elenin qualifies as georesonator causality.
The trajectories of other significant (relatively sizable and relatively slow) celestial objects, including those you mention, all have forbidding inclinations. Obviously, not being coplanar to our solar system, it is thus impossible for such objects to ever align with any of the bodies that compose our solar system. ........Furthermore, most other objects make no significant gravitational shadow, i.e., they do not drag a sizeable amount of gravitationally locked particles, etc.

Q12. Given the present ephemeris for Comet Elenin, it will be 0.2 AU from Earth when the next planetary alignment happens on September 27, 2011. Assuming we fix September 27, 2011 as the peak of a bell curve, what do you see as seismic event possibilities, preceding and following this high point on the curve?

As I already mentioned, mass plays no role in my concepts, so the same goes for distance as related to mass in the Newtonian-Einsteinian magical view. As mentioned in my alignments paper, the Elenin will speed up significantly from August-October on its sling-shot pass about the Sun. During that time, the Elenin will not have enough time to partake in long alignments, and all that it will be able to produce in terms of setting off the resonance magnification (earthquakes) is some mild seismicity as predicted by my concepts, mostly due to the size of the Sun when the Sun is involved in the alignment.

Worth noting is that I do neither modeling nor prediction of specific earthquakes. Based on the pattern of resonance magnification for strong seismicity during long alignments, I provide only the status of our planet's overall oscillatory excitation from the mantle's magnified resonance as set off by celestial alignments. You can find this status at: http://sites.google.com/site/omerbashich/.

[yiolas]

As a follow up to my previous post, please note that Dr. Mensur Omerbashich's web site http://sites.google.com/site/omerbashich/ has stated a 6+ earthquake watch for the period of May 26 - June 5. As explained on his site this is due to the long alignment of Elinen-Earth-Neptune during this period.

Suffice to say that there in fact have been 2 such earthquakes so far in this period: Bio-Bio,Chile and Honsh Japan.

[greybeard]

Hi Yiola
Volcanic activity in Chile --- first time since 1960 with these.
Coincidence--- who knows.
Chris

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-13657187

[yiolas]

Hi Chris, thanks for the info., which by the way concurs with Dr. Omerbashich's hypothesis. It certainly is interesting and I believe deserves to be tracked. This is something that can be done without any extensive scientific background. Just take note of the long in duration alignments made with the earth and two other objects in our solar system plane.

[DoubleHelix]

Hi Yiola
Volcanic activity in Chile --- first time since 1960 with these.
Coincidence--- who knows.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-13657187

Hey Chris I appreciate your efforts to connect the dots! But in regards to the Volcanic activity in Chile, Chile's one of the most volcanic countries in the world (as stated in the link) and that was the first time since 1960 that that very chain of Volcanoes erupted. As Volcanoes/Earthquakes are very difficult to predict it's good to note that Volcanoes are often accompanied by Earthquakes and visa versa so it could just be a bi-product.


Dr. Mensur Omerbashich - I used the Elenin’s latest trajectory solutions. .

Yiolas the doctor you quoted stated that he used JPL's tracking data which for me is a major red flag and doesn't bring anyone reassurance. I think for this case to have any validity we would need to have a secondary source supporting the tracking data. It's my honest opinion that this is a well funded Psyop that the Alternative Media's grabbed a hold of with both hands and continues to run with.


so I sent emails to several astronomers in New Zealand and Australia. Dr. Andrew Williams of the Perth Observatory was kind enough to send me a lengthy reply:

If there really were a brown dwarf in the Solar System, 270 million kilometers away from Earth (as of May 4, according to JPL - closer now), it would look just like Jupiter, only three times closer, and nine times brighter. After the Sun and the Moon, it would be the brightest thing in the sky, by far, and even a toy telescope would easily show a disk, and bands of cloud. It would have been noticed...


Vividity went ahead and did some fine research, this makes a lot more sense to me.

[greybeard]

hi Double Helix
I just posted the Chilie BBC report as a follow on to Viola.
I dont have an opinion on the scientific or non scientific though it is obvious that our planet is going through some vigorous activity at the moment.
Though perhaps I had best leave the joining of dots to those more qualified to do so.

Best wishes
Chris

[DoubleHelix]

Yeah nah I appreciate that Chris, I don't mean to come across in an aggressive manner.

I'm no expert myself, and I guess we all try to connect the dots to the best of our ability. I just feel we're having the wool pulled over our eyes on this one.

[greybeard]

Yeah nah I appreciate that Chris, I don't mean to come across in an aggressive manner.

I'm no expert myself, and I guess we all try to connect the dots to the best of our ability. I just feel we're having the wool pulled over our eyes on this one.

Its ok I did not take any offense.
We are all in this together,
It will be interesting to see how it all pans out.
We have both been here long enough to see flavor of the month stories come and go so as my parents used to say
It will all be the same in a 100 years--- mind you I can rember the first telephone--- a heavy brute of a thing-- black of course
Now you can phone anywhere from any where with a mobile which has greater memory than the first PC.
Times they are a changing.
Hope I live to see my demise Lol

Chris

[yiolas]

Yeah nah I appreciate that Chris, I don't mean to come across in an aggressive manner.

I'm no expert myself, and I guess we all try to connect the dots to the best of our ability. I just feel we're having the wool pulled over our eyes on this one.

Well, hoax or not, Dr. Omerbashich is still on the mark.

Sunday, June 5, 2011 11:51:12 UTC
Sunday, June 5, 2011 09:51:12 PM at epicenter

Depth: 10.00 km (6.21 mi)

M 6.3, west of Macquarie Island
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/usc000406b.php

[Operator]

Well the written interview gave me some good 'aha' moments ...

I still have in memory Nickola Tesla's words how he would be able to split the world by using resonance. He demonstrated how powerful
resonance can be by shaking a whole building with a little device he apparently could put in his pocket ...

So Mensur confirms it is a comet but with specific characteristics. He disputes that gravity between 2 objects is related to distance and mass and
proposes a (for me) new view that it is a result of resonance (interference of waves) not related to mass.
What's specific about this comet is that it is coming in almost aligned with our solar system's ecliptic (angle of 1 degree) and that apparently it has
'trapped' quite some particles traveling with it.

If these particles are charged (is however not explicitly mentioned) they could maybe be related to influences on earth's magnetic field and massive
animal deaths.

I am no expert too, only someone with some knowledge of basics ... trying to pick out those pieces that make sense to connect some dots.

[Carmody]

This is a post I made back in April, concerning flares solar activity and Elenin. The post expresses POTENTIALS, it not based on specific knowledge, which means it is not truth it is speculation based on knowledge of the connections and concerns.

It is the only answer that I could (currently and personally-from what I've read and looked at) come up with IF indeed Elenin is connected to any given ideas on solar and solar system behavior.

It is 'hypothesis' as an attempt at fitting the data to the observations, nothing more. I repeat it ---as it bears repeating. As in read it, but don't invest your fears into it. The danger is that it allows people who want their fears to be advanced into their futures ....to achieve that desire for a black and white finality -of sorts. (an egoic ride if there ever was one-the ego and body demand answers for the safety of the body is their paramount concern-above that of the mind/spirit connection-this breaks the attempt of the animating spirit to introduce reason and calm- be aware)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17686-Giant-Solar-Flare-Today-4-4-2011-VIDEO&p=190680&viewfull=1#post190680

[truthseekerdan]

I believe that no one knows exactly how this "event" it's going to unfold, that includes NASA, the elites, etc. It never happened before, at least not in our lifetimes or in the recorded public known history.
All one can rely on are ancient texts (scriptures, etc), and prophecies that don't go into too much detail either...

11. "There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven."

25. "There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26. People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken."

Luke 21:11; Luke 21:25-26 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2021:11,%2025-26&version=NIV)

Then we have the Remote Viewers predictions. One can only speculate, but the future is not set in stone...

ZR1ypwOHLG0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR1ypwOHLG0

[truthseekerdan]

Like many people I read the Omerbashich paper and was extremely concerned about the possibility of a brown dwarf orbiting our sun on the JPL provided Elenin trajectory. I understood it would be visible only in the southern hemisphere at this time, so I sent emails to several astronomers in New Zealand and Australia. Dr. Andrew Williams of the Perth Observatory was kind enough to send me a lengthy reply.....

Well my friend, don't expect them to tell you the truth. Obviously they're smart enough not to put themselves in any danger by revealing too much...

[Calz]

From where I am I have not been able to view the latest vids.

Let us take a step back.

1) dwarf

2) guided "comet"

3) psyop


It does make sense that if a dwarf has penetrated Mars orbit it would be visible. Gravity does, in fact, have an effect on "visibility".


Guided comet ... well if you bring in all the possibilities of dimensions and advanced technologies well beyond our "sciences" then who really knows for sure???


Psyops ... this continues to be possible but a real stretch for me. To what ends ... who gains??? Allegedly "they" think it is "game over". If "they" have the real data then "they" hit the dumbs at the right time.


I am not a scientist. I can only offer a simple common sense outlook here.

And what of science???

Who pays for it and who gains???

Just thoughts.

[OnyxKnight]

Um .... can somebody explain to me why has Bashi's account been deactivated?

I was looking forward to his research on this (and the level-headed stand he had on this issue).

[Calz]

Um .... can somebody explain to me why has Bashi's account been deactivated?

I was looking forward to his research on this (and the level-headed stand he had on this issue).

Now what??? :noidea:

[Lord Sidious]

Instead of asking a question like that here, PM a mod.

[greybeard]

I have emailed bashi to find out what happened.
I think deactivated is by personal choice.
If he wants to say and share then I will let you know.
Regards Chris

[OnyxKnight]

Instead of asking a question like that here, PM a mod.

I just thought maybe something happened on the thread and those who witnessed things before action was taken could explain. But nevermind.


I have emailed bashi to find out what happened.
I think deactivated is by personal choice.
If he wants to say and share then I will let you know.
Regards Chris

Thanks Chris, appreciate that.

[greybeard]

Hi guys
I have reposted David Sereda video
Reason why?
It may seem slightly of topic but he has a reputation as a professional with friends on NASSA.
He explores the energy coming into our solar system from the very center that everything rotates around.
He uses quantum, also knowledge given to him in meditation and communication from out with.

Also out of body experiences regarding this energy.
That might seem un scientific but the Russians and all others spend a fortune on remote viewing and Parapsychology, so who am I to doubt.

So here you have a well grounded scientist who know his subject and an enthusiastic spiritual explorer.
Seems a good balance but that is my personal way of looking too.

Science and spirituality.
Now if there really is an event of any great significance occurring it would seem to me we need both these disciplines.

David Sereda mentions ancient prophecies the Norwegian Spiral and much besides.
It is worth downloading all the files from u tube and putting it into one file then listening to its entirety--- its audio.
I have wireless headphones so I can wander about doing other things while listening.
I have listened several times.

Off to do that now.

Chris




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNgUdg2NAmc

[Operator]

1) dwarf
2) guided "comet"
3) psyop


I think there is a point missing from the list, gaining traction with me: comet with special features ...
That seems to fit all the current facts the best. I've heard David Sereda before but I will listen to the
interview, pointed out by Chris, again to see if I can find more dots to connect.

Some of the connections I see come also from David ... his interview with Boyd Bushman.
There could also be a connection between the 'special' characteristics of Aluminum and the spraying of
metals in chemtrails. I only hope I can find some time today.

[yiolas]

From where I am I have not been able to view the latest vids.

Let us take a step back.

1) dwarf

2) guided "comet"

3) psyop


Psyops ... this continues to be possible but a real stretch for me. To what ends ... who gains??? Allegedly "they" think it is "game over". If "they" have the real data then "they" hit the dumbs at the right time.


Just thoughts.

Hi Carl, Thanks for pointing that out to us. There's no reason why we would eliminate psyops from the possibilities. But as you point out what would be the reason for the psyop ? Who and why would they gain ?Is it a distraction and if so from what ? Why is the topic of comet Elenin so polarizing ?

Hi Chris, I really admire David Sereda as well. I'll give the video clip another listen, thanks.

[Operator]

I've heard David Sereda before but I will listen to the interview, pointed out by Chris, again to see if I can find more dots to connect.

Ok, listened again .... one of the topics that gave me another 'aha' moment is that he mentions how the center of
the galaxy maybe emitting gamma rays and is creating matter like hydrogen and even water.

- How odd, during the Japan earthquake people noticed how water was coming out of the ground ... !
- We see the earth cracking up, landslides and sinkholes ... the earth is growing (new matter is created ?)
- It could clarify where the water of previous floods came from and why ancient cities are under water.
- It could clarify why US authorities are seeking higher ground for their departmental buildings
- It clarifies how the earth may have started as Pangaea and now 5/7 is covered by water
- It gives meaning to a passage from the new webbot report where it states that:
"There will be rain so dense that one could drown by being outside"
- Was the movie Waterworld (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114898/) about this phenomenon ?

He also talked about transformation of DNA ... but I cannot relate that to anything 'observable' now.

Of course Paul LaViolette is, amongst others, confirming the coming of a superwave. And also the video that I
found recently To Be or Not To Be: A Galactic Question (http://www.larouchepac.org/galactic-question?page=5&lid=0-0-2&relation=60) gives a good
explanation of where earth is relative to the galactic ecliptic and what it means (area of heightened cosmic radiation).

Although all the above are related to a cosmological event I don't see (yet) what the connection is with Elenin.
Maybe this input will stimulate somebody else to come up with the connection.

[greybeard]

Instead of asking a question like that here, PM a mod.

I just thought maybe something happened on the thread and those who witnessed things before action was taken could explain. But nevermind.


I have emailed bashi to find out what happened.
I think deactivated is by personal choice.
If he wants to say and share then I will let you know.
Regards Chris

Thanks Chris, appreciate that.

Hi bashi has been permanently retired from long term service to Avalon.

He played the devils advocate sometimes to make you think and crossed swords with many --- myself included--- but he brought a lot to the table.

Chris

[Operator]

Hi bashi has been permanently retired from long term service to Avalon.

He played the devils advocate sometimes to make you think and crossed swords with many --- myself included--- but he brought a lot to the table.


He will certainly be missed ... loss of intellectual power

[Carmody]

I've heard David Sereda before but I will listen to the interview, pointed out by Chris, again to see if I can find more dots to connect.

Ok, listened again .... one of the topics that gave me another 'aha' moment is that he mentions how the center of
the galaxy maybe emitting gamma rays and is creating matter like hydrogen and even water.

- How odd, during the Japan earthquake people noticed how water was coming out of the ground ... !
- We see the earth cracking up, landslides and sinkholes ... the earth is growing (new matter is created ?)
- It could clarify where the water of previous floods came from and why ancient cities are under water.
- It could clarify why US authorities are seeking higher ground for their departmental buildings
- It clarifies how the earth may have started as Pangaea and now 5/7 is covered by water
- It gives meaning to a passage from the new webbot report where it states that:
"There will be rain so dense that one could drown by being outside"
- Was the movie Waterworld (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114898/) about this phenomenon ?

He also talked about transformation of DNA ... but I cannot relate that to anything 'observable' now.

Of course Paul LaViolette is, amongst others, confirming the coming of a superwave. And also the video that I
found recently To Be or Not To Be: A Galactic Question (http://www.larouchepac.org/galactic-question?page=5&lid=0-0-2&relation=60) gives a good
explanation of where earth is relative to the galactic ecliptic and what it means (area of heightened cosmic radiation).

Although all the above are related to a cosmological event I don't see (yet) what the connection is with Elenin.
Maybe this input will stimulate somebody else to come up with the connection.

Increases in Scalar pressure can cause things like matter to resonate 'harder', like a tuning fork under immense internal pressures. Crystal being an example.

There is a VERY interesting report, from a magazine of the days of yore, in the back cover or last page area in the 'free energy device handbook' (http://www.scribd.com/doc/25319145/Free-Energy-Device-Handbook). It is a report of a pair of scientists from the older days (early 1900's) where they electrified a crystal block with IMMENSE voltages..and this caused the crystal to expand to about 200x(?) it's original size.

The image of the scientists was that they were wearing super thick and heavy lead suits/coveralls, due to the immense amount of radiation that flowed from the crystal when it was increasing in size.

There it is, page 261 in the provided link.

Remember: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE. This experiment caused it (the crystal) to change in size about that 200x (IIRC) and it nullified gravity in the process. This old report confirms all I've ever said on the subject and what many others have said. The voltage wave, is connected to the scalar wave. Tesla was all about the scalar wave, or voltage with no current. The experiment with the crystal is all about resonance and voltage, and thus the twin effects of size change and gravity nullification.

And if that is what is coming out of the galactic plane, then we may very well have biblical Pangaea growth issues and other biblical goodies.

Having scary stuff confirmed in any fashion at all ...is no fun. However, it could be the ride of a lifetime, if it is like what happens to me when we have solar flares. My energy levels simply shoot through the roof. Psychic and of that nature type of energies.

[OnyxKnight]

I've heard David Sereda before but I will listen to the interview, pointed out by Chris, again to see if I can find more dots to connect.

Ok, listened again .... one of the topics that gave me another 'aha' moment is that he mentions how the center of
the galaxy maybe emitting gamma rays and is creating matter like hydrogen and even water.

- How odd, during the Japan earthquake people noticed how water was coming out of the ground ... !
- We see the earth cracking up, landslides and sinkholes ... the earth is growing (new matter is created ?)
- It could clarify where the water of previous floods came from and why ancient cities are under water.
- It could clarify why US authorities are seeking higher ground for their departmental buildings
- It clarifies how the earth may have started as Pangaea and now 5/7 is covered by water
- It gives meaning to a passage from the new webbot report where it states that:
"There will be rain so dense that one could drown by being outside"
- Was the movie Waterworld (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114898/) about this phenomenon ?

Every geologically active body in the universe is expanding in size.

Earth, Mars, Venus etc.

Earth was a bit larger than the size of Mars today, when it first formed from the accretion disk. It will continue to expand until the geological processes stop completely.

[Operator]

Increases in Scalar pressure can cause things like matter to resonate 'harder', like a tuning fork under immense internal pressures. Crystal being an example.

There is a VERY interesting report, from a magazine of the days of yore, in the back cover or last page area in the 'free energy device handbook' (http://www.scribd.com/doc/25319145/Free-Energy-Device-Handbook). It is a report of a pair of scientists from the older days (early 1900's) where they electrified a crystal block with IMMENSE voltages..and this caused the crystal to expand to about 200x(?) it's original size.



It made me think ... would this also be related to e.g. how they've built the pyramids ? Build it on scale and then blow it up.
It would explain why it's accurate in size and why the stones fit together so perfectly. It's always stone with crystalline structure
that's involved.

Thanks for the report ... I will read it more carefully.

[yiolas]

Seems that Leonid Elenin has a sense of humour as well. He's a contributor on the web site spaceorbs.org (http://spaceobs.org/en/).
He's letting everyone know that he's going on vacation :


During the next two weeks I’ll be on vacation and may not be able to answer your questions. It’s not a conspiracy! It’s just a summer While I’ll leave, our telescope will also take a shower and go through annual service.

Have a good vacation, see you soon!


He's also just posted information on a new comet a lot larger than Elenin that will pass through the solar system around 2013.

Minor Planet Center just issued a circular about new comet discovered by Pan-STARRS survey. Comet was designated as C/2011 L4 (PANSTARRS) and it may be a very bright comet on 2013! The orbit is not accurate, but it’s already clear that the new comet have closer perihelion than the comet C/2010 X1 (Elenin) – about 0.36 AU.

The comet could reach magnitude 1-2 in April 2013. By the rough forecast, C/2011 L4 can be the Great Comet, and reach 0 magnitude or brighter. In March 2013, C/2011 L4 will be about 1 AU from the Earth. This is in 4 times distant than the comet Elenin

[OnyxKnight]

They sent another one !??

Okay, they better have a good explanation for this next time.

[nearing]

I put this post on the other thread but think it belongs here as well:

Okay, I think this is the best video so far:
lycEGSV9hhY

It explains that we have a comet AND a Brown Dwarf star. The comet being a satellite of the Dwarf Star. This makes sense to me.

This is how NASA can get away with saying we ('truthers') are all crazy as this comet is just a comet. They are correct in that Elenin is a comet and couldn't possibly affect our planet being made of ice and at such a distance. BUT, it is orbiting a massive Dwarf Start that can and does perturb our planet! And they are obviously on the same path towards us.

Everything falls right into place now.

[OnyxKnight]

The brown dwarf thing was debunked several times now. Can we stop bringing it up now please?

[nearing]

The brown dwarf thing was debunked several times now. Can we stop bringing it up now please?

I respectfully disagree.

[OnyxKnight]

The brown dwarf thing was debunked several times now. Can we stop bringing it up now please?

I respectfully disagree.

Facts respectfully disagree with you too :).

[ulli]

Nearing, are you seriously stating that a brown dwarf is passing through our solar system?
Maybe the earth is flat, too??

[nearing]

The brown dwarf thing was debunked several times now. Can we stop bringing it up now please?

I respectfully disagree.

Facts respectfully disagree with you too :).

I haven't seen those 'facts'. :-)

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Nearing, are you seriously stating that a brown dwarf is passing through our solar system?
Maybe the earth is flat, too??

It just entered the outer edges along with it's satellites (Comet Elenin being one of them), yes, it looks that way.

The Earth is not certainly a roundish globe too. :-)

[OnyxKnight]

Nearing, they were presented a few pages back. Maybe you should reread them? :)

[ulli]

I always try and remember from which level I am speaking...the 3 D world stays intact, I can guarantee the sun will rise in the east tomorrow and not in the west.
The other dimensions are subtle, one enters through interdimensional portals, and different laws apply there from here.
That brown dwarf may be real in the forth dimension as a construct of a few people's imagination, but in 3 D it does not exist within our solar system.

I did my own research after I got sucked into the zeta scene run by Nancy Lieder years ago.
I got out of it again after I googled a few forums by amateur astronomers.
They washed my confused brain clean again, and in time the prediction of the poleshift of May 2003 turned out to be moot
as the date passed and nothing whatsoever happened.
Just like all these other predicted events will turn out to be mirages.

The thing to understand about the PTB is that the reason the constantly foresee the end of the world
is because they foresee their OWN structures crumbling.
Which is happening right now.

These people live in fear.
They have no Faith.
Their knowledge of spirituality is false.
The next generation will be more spiritual and even if they create a world government it will not be a top down hierarchy,
but a balanced organism, in which each cell will perform it's true function.
Because it wants to, not because it is forced to.

[truthseekerdan]

I always try and remember from which level I am speaking...the 3 D world stays intact, I can guarantee the sun will rise in the east tomorrow and not in the west...

Well, can you also guarantee that about yourself..? :blabla: ;)

[ulli]

Of course not.
But I must say, that is a strange comment to inject here, and rather out of context.

[truthseekerdan]

Of course not.
But I must say, that is a strange comment to inject here, and rather out of context.

Can you say that also about your post that I quoted?... :)

[truthseekerdan]

Nearing, are you seriously stating that a brown dwarf is passing through our solar system?
Maybe the earth is flat, too??

I believe that Nearing is pretty serious, what else can cause things like this to happen...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k7QHMg7Wkc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k7QHMg7Wkc

[nearing]

Nearing, they were presented a few pages back. Maybe you should reread them? :)

I have read every post on this and the other Elenin/Nibiru thread AND watched every video. Still no proof that a Dwarf Star isn't what is perturbing the Earth.

:whistle:

[nearing]

I always try and remember from which level I am speaking...the 3 D world stays intact, I can guarantee the sun will rise in the east tomorrow and not in the west.
The other dimensions are subtle, one enters through interdimensional portals, and different laws apply there from here.
That brown dwarf may be real in the forth dimension as a construct of a few people's imagination, but in 3 D it does not exist within our solar system.

I did my own research after I got sucked into the zeta scene run by Nancy Lieder years ago.
I got out of it again after I googled a few forums by amateur astronomers.
They washed my confused brain clean again, and in time the prediction of the poleshift of May 2003 turned out to be moot
as the date passed and nothing whatsoever happened.
Just like all these other predicted events will turn out to be mirages.

The thing to understand about the PTB is that the reason the constantly foresee the end of the world
is because they foresee their OWN structures crumbling.
Which is happening right now.

These people live in fear.
They have no Faith.
Their knowledge of spirituality is false.
The next generation will be more spiritual and even if they create a world government it will not be a top down hierarchy,
but a balanced organism, in which each cell will perform it's true function.
Because it wants to, not because it is forced to.

I hope you don't take my seriousness about this topic as fear. I am not in the least afraid of our sun's sister star causing catastrophe and death here. I do believe it will (and already has) cause those things but I am not afraid of death. I am not running for the caves and stocking up on survival gear. I only welcome the chance to know when my 3D death will occur so I have the chance to be with loved ones.

I look forward to what comes after that.

[ulli]

Ok, I wasn't going to elaborate on my view about these things, as I can't prove anything.
And I have had my share of attacks over the last 30 odd years of practising astrology.

I'll give my explanation then shut up. You can call me crazy.

My view: It is not a brown dwarf.
It is the entry of Uranus into Aries on March 11th.
Also the right angle between Uranus and Pluto.
A brown dwarf in our solar system would cause a lot more havok than these sunspots and volcanic eruptions.
We will get through this.
The worst thing is fear mongering as it affects the consciousness of masses of people and that also affects the suns behavior.
Anyone who wants to seriously look into this matter will find a lot of good answers on the web.
Intuition is needed to discern the good, real stuff from the crappy stuff.
Ask for guidance and you'll get it.
God hears each call for help.
I know humanity will get through this.
And now back to my tortilla and cold beer.

Nearing, when you are ready come and visit in Costa Rica. Despite the earthquakes this place will make you feel safe.

What happened to the radiation cloud, by the way?

I used to have a signature:
Nothing is ever as good or as bad as it seems. I'm going to put it back up right now.

[nearing]

Ok, I wasn't going to elaborate on my view about these things, as I can't prove anything.
And I have had my share of attacks over the last 30 odd years of practising astrology.

I'll give my explanation then shut up. You can call me crazy.

My view: It is not a brown dwarf.
It is the entry of Uranus into Aries on March 11th.
Also the right angle between Uranus and Pluto.
A brown dwarf in our solar system would cause a lot more havok than these sunspots and volcanic eruptions.
We will get through this.
The worst thing is fear mongering as it affects the consciousness of masses of people and that also affects the suns behavior.
Anyone who wants to seriously look into this matter will find a lot of good answers on the web.
Intuition is needed to discern the good, real stuff from the crappy stuff.
Ask for guidance and you'll get it.
God hears each call for help.
I know humanity will get through this.
And now back to my tortilla and cold beer.

Nearing, when you are ready come and visit in Costa Rica. Despite the earthquakes this place will make you feel safe.

What happened to the radiation cloud, by the way?

I used to have a signature:
Nothing is ever as good or as bad as it seems. I'm going to put it back up right now.

I am looking forward to a trip to CR!

The radiation cloud is in full bloom. We are being blanketed. :( Too bad it's not something that we can feel unless it's way over the top, then we would have radiation poisoning. But as it is, we are getting far too much and it will accumulate and cause many people problems in due time. Of course, TPTW are not going to mention it.

Dutchsince on YouTube (testing the US) and Fairewind Associates (nuclear engineers) are doing a good job of keeping up with the radiation though.

[yiolas]

The brown dwarf thing was debunked several times now. Can we stop bringing it up now please?

Sorry I missed the debate guys, I'm at UTC +2. I think the only thing that has probably been debunked or agreed upon is that Elenin is not the brown dwarf but just a comet that will by all projections will do a fly by throuh our solar system and align with the earh and the sun on or about Sept. 26, 2011.
What we haven't debunked yet is the question if this guy is coming in alone or part of a larger system rotating around the sun's binary dark twin or some other large body.

[truthseekerdan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zAtiB_ZAVM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zAtiB_ZAVM

[truthseekerdan]

Originally Posted by OnyxKnight:
The brown dwarf thing was debunked several times now. Can we stop bringing it up now please?

Here's a video I think that OnyxKnight most likely is going to enjoy watching... :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onZd3z7m3PU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onZd3z7m3PU

[yiolas]

Wow, thanks for that very interesting exopolitics video with Don Gillson. He's got quite an original view of things.
According to Don the plot definitely thickens.

[greybeard]

Hi Dan
Im downloading to watch tomorrow.
You sure are busy bringing us info.
Much appreciated.
Im not convinced on anything yet.
Certainly a lot of evidence that something unusual is happening.

Chris

[truthseekerdan]

Hi Dan
Im not convinced on anything yet.
Certainly a lot of evidence that something unusual is happening.

Chris

Hi Chris, you shouldn't be convinced life it's just a ride... The only sure thing is Infinite Love -- everything else it's just a ride (illusion). :nod:
See you on the upside my friend :)

Namaste ~ Dan

[nearing]

Hi Dan
Im not convinced on anything yet.
Certainly a lot of evidence that something unusual is happening.

Chris

Hi Chris, you shouldn't be convinced life it's just a ride... The only sure thing is Infinite Love -- everything else it's just a ride (illusion). :nod:
See you on the upside my friend :)

Namaste ~ Dan

In the immortal words of Mr Bill Hicks...:~)

[nearing]

The answer to the question in the headline is - it is BOTH!!

lycEGSV9hhY

[nearing]

NASA releases Disaster Preparedness VIDEO to it's employees:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?22607-NASA-Disaster-Preparedness-VIDEO

[Operator]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onZd3z7m3PU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onZd3z7m3PU

In general I think Alfred Webre is far too gullible with a lot of material.
Sorry to say but this video/interview was one of the worst ...

This guy starts of with gross lies like he's 32nd degree free mason and deeply religious christian who got harassed and tasered
by the establishment .... all contradictions to me. All the things he mentioned and pieced together lack any basis etc.

I think we might be in for an interesting period ... but not on the basis of what is said in this video IMHO.

[nearing]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onZd3z7m3PU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onZd3z7m3PU

In general I think Alfred Webre is far too gullible with a lot of material.
Sorry to say but this video/interview was one of the worst ...

This guy starts of with gross lies like he's 32nd degree free mason and deeply religious christian who got harassed and tasered
by the establishment .... all contradictions to me. All the things he mentioned and pieced together lack any basis etc.

I think we might be in for an interesting period ... but not on the basis of what is said in this video IMHO.

I must agree. This guy seems like a confabulator!

I like seeing all sides, nevertheless.

[Operator]

I must agree. This guy seems like a confabulator!

I like seeing all sides, nevertheless.

True, I watched/listened to all of it ... sometimes you'll learn what they want to program into the people.
It's like a chess game to me ... you have to watch ALL the moves to understand it.

[Hervé]

Ok, I wasn't going to elaborate on my view about these things, as I can't prove anything.
And I have had my share of attacks over the last 30 odd years of practising astrology.

I'll give my explanation then shut up. You can call me crazy.

My view: It is not a brown dwarf.
It is the entry of Uranus into Aries on March 11th.
Also the right angle between Uranus and Pluto.
A brown dwarf in our solar system would cause a lot more havok than these sunspots and volcanic eruptions.
We will get through this.
The worst thing is fear mongering as it affects the consciousness of masses of people and that also affects the suns behavior.
Anyone who wants to seriously look into this matter will find a lot of good answers on the web.
Intuition is needed to discern the good, real stuff from the crappy stuff.
Ask for guidance and you'll get it.
God hears each call for help.
I know humanity will get through this.
And now back to my tortilla and cold beer.



Hi Ulli!

How was the beer?

Here's water/wind to your mill/sail:

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/229308-Planetary-Alignments-and-the-Solar-Capacitor-Things-are-heatin-up-

You'll probably relate more to the second part of the article... enjoy!

[Calz]

Ok, I wasn't going to elaborate on my view about these things, as I can't prove anything.
And I have had my share of attacks over the last 30 odd years of practising astrology.

I'll give my explanation then shut up. You can call me crazy.

My view: It is not a brown dwarf.
It is the entry of Uranus into Aries on March 11th.
Also the right angle between Uranus and Pluto.
A brown dwarf in our solar system would cause a lot more havok than these sunspots and volcanic eruptions.


Won't call you crazy Ulli ... having a cold one while relaxing in CR sounds quite sane to me. :cool2:

I did a few years of astro but not with earthquakes.

We have looked earlier in several threads at the Elenin alignments.

Have you put up a chart for the biggies (ie japan, chile etc) to see what the other planetary alignments were???

Uranus is slow moving so I can see where you get the Aries entry and pluto aspect increasing earthquake/volcanic activity overall (and the bar charts of big quakes clearly substantiates that).

If you think Elenin is *not* a dwarf and simply a comet then we should find other factors.

*IF* there is nothing else there astrologically beyond the Elenin aspects then PERHAPS that would add more weight to the PSYOP option where the quakes were artifically triggered at the times of the the "comet" aspects.

Just trying to look at this from all angles. If not a dwarf ... then what???

I don't have enough trust in "science" to feel comfortable with "peer reviewed facts." Perhaps I am getting jaded in my old age but TO ME peer reviewed science (several fields of science) means nothing more than what the PTB/W have bought and paid for the masses to be subjected to in terms of "programmed reality". :nerd:

[DoubleHelix]

This may burst a few bubbles... Proof that Elenin is a Comet and not a Brown-Dwarf.

By none other than the very man who discovered Elenin - Leonid Elenin.

Today, June 10, 2011, is six months since the discovery of the first comet in the modern history of Russia. During this time our knowledge about the comet has greatly changed. In the first days after the comet’s discovery, the comet’s orbit did not inspire interest; C/2010 X1 (Elenin) was going to be a faint comet, visible only to telescopes equipped with CCD cameras. But after only the first week of observations, hope was growing that this comet might have a close perihelion, which was later confirmed.

During the last six months the comet has aroused a lot of interest among the people of the Earth; among the huge number of letters about the end of the world, I also received those about people who became interested in astronomy and observing, who bought telescopes and discovered for themselves the beauty of the night sky. This is possibly the most important effect caused by my comet. Of course the comet poses no threat to the Earth and all the rumors will end when it starts moving away from the Earth and Sun.

Source: http://spaceobs.org/en/news/

There's plenty of other posts made by Mr. Elenin if anybody cares to have a sticky beak.

[Wings]

Ok, I wasn't going to elaborate on my view about these things, as I can't prove anything.
And I have had my share of attacks over the last 30 odd years of practising astrology.

I'll give my explanation then shut up. You can call me crazy.

My view: It is not a brown dwarf.
It is the entry of Uranus into Aries on March 11th.
Also the right angle between Uranus and Pluto.
A brown dwarf in our solar system would cause a lot more havok than these sunspots and volcanic eruptions.
We will get through this.
The worst thing is fear mongering as it affects the consciousness of masses of people and that also affects the suns behavior.
Anyone who wants to seriously look into this matter will find a lot of good answers on the web.
Intuition is needed to discern the good, real stuff from the crappy stuff.
Ask for guidance and you'll get it.
God hears each call for help.
I know humanity will get through this.
And now back to my tortilla and cold beer.

Nearing, when you are ready come and visit in Costa Rica. Despite the earthquakes this place will make you feel safe.

What happened to the radiation cloud, by the way?

I used to have a signature:
Nothing is ever as good or as bad as it seems. I'm going to put it back up right now.

Thanks for your post. You should elaborate more often. You have a knowledge in a field that many of us don't have. You make a lot of sense here (I hear you about the Pluto, and Uranus' entry into Aries the fire sign in March .... and don't forget Neptune - where was it in March?).

I too do not believe Elenin is a brown dwarf, but you have to admit the alignments we've had so far with this 'comet' have been interesting. The arrival of comets down through the ages have brought with them some interesting experiences.

[Calz]

Sorry ... removed.

[yiolas]

This just in from the Palaoa South Polar staion web cab. This bright sphere is coming into view just as the sun is setting.

Could be Venus or some other near planet. We should check it out.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTM8b-fns-I

[greybeard]

We dont know is the truth.
There is a lot of circumstantial evidence --- for what I dont know.

Massive amount of money spent on south facing telescopes -- what has the Vatican got to do with telescopes?
Massive amount of money spent on empty new build Chinese cities.
Massive amount of money spent on under ground bases.

Prophecies-- Spirals - Twin suns.

We live in interesting times.

Does anyone here know what is going on?---- you can tell me--- I wont tell anyone ---
Of course I would --- but tell me anyway --- OK!!!

Chris

[Operator]

This just in from the Palaoa South Polar staion web cab. This bright sphere is coming into view just as the sun is setting.

Could be Venus or some other near planet. We should check it out.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTM8b-fns-I

As we are nearing the summer solstice in the northern hemisphere how come that sun is even rising on the south pole while it
is more south than the arctic circle ?

I am not so sure we see the sun set at the left ... but if we do this video is not recent (11/6/2011).
B.t.w. this camera is facing north since the sun (or whatever we see) goes from right to left.

So it seems to add more question marks instead of solving them ...

[Operator]

Does anyone here know what is going on?---- you can tell me--- I wont tell anyone ---
Of course I would --- but tell me anyway --- OK!!!


Hi Chris,

Of course I don't know either ... but I have a strong feeling I am getting a clearer and clearer picture since recent weeks.

I think this representation of Pangaea is not correct:

http://www.physci.wsc.ma.edu/young/hgeol/geoinfo/timeline/pangaea/pangaea.gif

Because it shows a globe with a lot of water and all continents glued together ...
I think the earth is, like the universe, expanding. There wasn't always that much water on the planet and Pangaea covered
the whole of earth. The continents aren't just drifting apart. They are pushed away from each other since the earth is blown
up from inside out. I heard about something strange how water is 'added' to this expanding earth. And then I even found an article
on it:

http://www.panspermia.org/streaks.htm

I think this is why we see an earth today with 5/7 covered with water and less 'dry land'. It also explains why there are currently cities all around
the globe that are submerged along the coasts. It also explains why the governments are worried about rising sea levels.

Somehow it has got to do with earth periodically coming into a region where there is more cosmic radiation and there is lots of material stating just that.
Also the magnetic field bends inward toward earth at the poles. That's why the aurora's are visible there.
So could that make the poles more interesting ?

The increasing number of sinkholes, cracks in the earth, swelling-up of water during the Japanese earthquake all point in this same direction.

-LPGzzaSsbU

UFO's are said to be stealing our water ... could they be helping us get rid of some before more will be added soon ?

There is one more thing that drew my intention: Clif High mentioning there will be rain so dense 'you could drown' being outside ..... Hmmm
Is that why they silently try to block radiation using chemtrails ?

More material that got stuck in my head, Revelation 12:

15 Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. 16 But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth.

So, I don't think it's tsunamis hitting shorelines but rather pouring rain that will cause flooding and havoc more and more.
Eventually cause the ocean levels to rise !

[yiolas]

Hi Operator,
There's nothing wrong with being sceptical, especially these days when we are being bombarded by so much info. coming from so many sources, so I decided to do some research of my own.

Below is a movie from the Palaoa web cab. This is the link to the site itself.http://www.awi.de/NM_WebCam/

There is another page on the site that has daily pictures in a chronoligical order. Now this is where it get very, very weird.
As I was writing this post and downloading some of the picture from the site, my computer crashed. Fortunately I had managed to save the two most important pics.
When I began to repost to the thread and copy the links to the pictures, I found that the picture from the web cam at 11.06.2011 11:55 UTC does not have the bright object in the right hand corner. The one I had downloaded only 5 minutes before with the time, date and place does have the bright object.

You can clearly see the place, time and date on the pictures.


http://www.awi.de/NM_WebCam/livemovieP.html

This is the link to the pictures page http://www.awi.de/NM_WebCam/pictoflastP.html

The picture at 13:55 is different from the one that I downloaded only a few minutes ago!! What's going on here ? Please look at the movie now !!, because since I last went to the site, the image of the spere is slowly being erased.

This is the picture that is on the web site now.
http://www.awi.de/NM_WebCam/neumayerP.1400.jpg

Here's the picture that I downloaded

[truthseekerdan]

This June 3rd Blog-Talk-Radio, is regarding the comet Elenin, the comet some people think is not a comet, but actually a brown dwarf star. We're going to talk about when this comet/planet is going to be nearing Earth and if it will be close enough to trigger an Extinction Level Event. Is this comet/brown dwarf the reason why google blacked out a part of google sky? why has NASA taken down its 'calculations' page regarding this object. Do they know something we don't? Notice: This is posted just for discerning minds, does not mean I endorse everything 100%... Enjoy!

Approximately 1 hour: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/nixielarue/2011/06/03/comet-elenin-extinction-level-event

[bennycog]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20578-NASA-confirms-Elenin&p=242533#post242533

I'll post a link of my q here too :) goodnight my friends

[Operator]

Hi Operator,
There's nothing wrong with being sceptical, especially these days when we are being bombarded by so much info. coming from so many sources, so I decided to do some research of my own.


Hi Yiolas,

Yes, there is nothing wrong with a debate as long as it is constructive.
I've contacted them with the 2 questions I have ...

1. Why sun rises/sets during the southern hemisphere winter
2. Direction to which camera is facing

I will get back with more info when I get an answer ...

Have a nice weekend

[ulli]

Yiolas

Are you saying the picture above is the same as the one below, minus the bright object?
What I see is a totally different picture, as none of the other details match.

I know for sure that in todays digital world and what with kids having fun with photoshop, even those working at serious professions might want to do silly games, even if only to get a laugh from their collegues. Then forget they are messing with truth.
And suddenly what started out as a little private joke is getting millions of people into panic mode.

sheesh, I never thought I would ever become a debunker in my old age, but in some situations it is warranted.
I live out in the country, watching the sky all the time, and see nothing out of the ordinary.
Except for the odd UFO, or hologram thereof.

[yiolas]

Double Post,
WTH

[yiolas]

What I'm saying is that, as I was saving pictures from their site to upload onto the Avalon thread my computer crashed. The picture that I downloaded from the "official.authentic" AWI site was different when I was able to go back to the site after restarting my computer.

The picture with the bright object in the upper right hand corner is no longer there. From what I now understand in the few minutes it had taken me to get back on- line they had changed the dates from the 11th of June to the 12th of June. You can clearly see the dates on the pictures. I did not alter the picture in any way !!

Looking at the movie now, you can still see a small part of this bright object in the far top right hand corner at 13:55.
Look for yourself. I have no need to make anything up. Play the movie in step by step mode.

http://www.awi.de/NM_WebCam/livemovieP.html

My suspicion is that the you tube video drew to much attention to what was on the web cam on the 11th that they hastily updated their photos and possibly slightly changed the position of the camera ever so slightly so as to not show this bright object, or the object (if it is moving rapidly) is not visible in that part of the sky at the same time as on the 11th.

[yiolas]

Hi Operator,
There's nothing wrong with being sceptical, especially these days when we are being bombarded by so much info. coming from so many sources, so I decided to do some research of my own.


Hi Yiolas,

Yes, there is nothing wrong with a debate as long as it is constructive.
I've contacted them with the 2 questions I have ...

1. Why sun rises/sets during the southern hemisphere winter
2. Direction to which camera is facing

I will get back with more info when I get an answer ...

Have a nice weekend

Hi Operator,
As long as your at it, why don't you ask them to show you the archive photos for the 24 hour period of the 11th of June which they have now taken off their site. Especially the one at 13:55 UTC 11.06.2011.

[ulli]

I don't know about the youtube video you are refering to,
but about the two photos above:
I understood your predicament of seeing a totally different picture after revisiting the site.
The same has happened to me in the past, and just like you, I also came to "conspiracy" conclusions...
and even now, when remembering some of the whistle blowers of the Disclosure Project, I don't dispute that there are cover-ups out there.

But as truth seekers with limited data, or too much data, dependent on your viewpoint, we have only our own intuition to rely on.

Mine just doesn't buy into the Brown Dwarf theory, or second sun type theories.

I do know however that consciousness is powerful. Up to a point.
There is our consciousness, still limited in it's power, but like a teenager who can create Poltergeist phenomena, it is real.

Then there is the consciousness of beings so evolved we are ants by comparison.

[yiolas]

Furthermore, After watching the you tube video I went directly to the Palaoa web cam site to confirm for myself that this video was authentic. IT WAS !.
I did not post this information to the thread until I had confirmed it for myself.
Little did I now that they would change the pictures in the short time it took me to post.

We should be very suspicious of this, because if the object was a neighboring planet it would have remained in the general vicinity in the sky for a few days, right ? So why was it there on the 11th and not on the 12th ?

Look at the you tube video again while it is still there.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTM8b-fns-I

[nearing]

This may burst a few bubbles... Proof that Elenin is a Comet and not a Brown-Dwarf.

By none other than the very man who discovered Elenin - Leonid Elenin.

Today, June 10, 2011, is six months since the discovery of the first comet in the modern history of Russia. During this time our knowledge about the comet has greatly changed. In the first days after the comet’s discovery, the comet’s orbit did not inspire interest; C/2010 X1 (Elenin) was going to be a faint comet, visible only to telescopes equipped with CCD cameras. But after only the first week of observations, hope was growing that this comet might have a close perihelion, which was later confirmed.

During the last six months the comet has aroused a lot of interest among the people of the Earth; among the huge number of letters about the end of the world, I also received those about people who became interested in astronomy and observing, who bought telescopes and discovered for themselves the beauty of the night sky. This is possibly the most important effect caused by my comet. Of course the comet poses no threat to the Earth and all the rumors will end when it starts moving away from the Earth and Sun.

Source: http://spaceobs.org/en/news/

There's plenty of other posts made by Mr. Elenin if anybody cares to have a sticky beak.

This doesn't burst any bubbles that I can see. ;)

The last video I posted on this thread ( not too far up) shows that ELENIN IS a comet - BUT that comet is a satellite of a Brown Dwarf. They move together, they are in same orbit around our sun. They are coming TOGETHER.

This makes everyone correct. It explains how we have been getting massive EQs when this comet aligns with us and the Sun or other planets, ect. - because the Brown Dwarf is aligned as well!

[ulli]

All I know is that the south pole at this moment is having their winter, ie total DARKNESS.
Those pictures are at the least 4 months old.


The next thought is that it was done with a wide angle lens, or panoramic lens, during full moon.

[nearing]

yiolas, that video is very interesting. What happens to that glowing body (Venus?) when it gets to top of frame? It looks like it has an ejection. Strange.

And the Sun isn't ever seen, Operator. It's just the 'glowing' in the left of the screen. So you are right about the season and the setting dictating that we wouldn't see the Sun. We only see some of it's light.

[yiolas]

Just go to the web site http://www.awi.de/NM_WebCam/ . They have a web cam which is updated daily. These are not last year's or last summers pictures.

[nearing]

Just go to the web site http://www.awi.de/NM_WebCam/ . They have a web cam which is updated daily. These are not last year's or last summers pictures.

It looks like they get a little light for about 5 hours during the day there at this time of year, judging from the video cam.

It IS very strange that that glowing body was there yesterday but not today!

[yiolas]

Just go to the web site http://www.awi.de/NM_WebCam/ . They have a web cam which is updated daily. These are not last year's or last summers pictures.

It looks like they get a little light for about 5 hours during the day there at this time of year, judging from the video cam.

It IS very strange that that glowing body was there yesterday but not today!

Thank-you very much !! that's the whole point !! I know what I saw. I watched the you tube video, then I went to the web cam site and managed to see that their web cam movie for the day was the exact same one, frame by frame , as the you tube video.
So, please just amuse me for a second, and lets assume that the you tube video is authentic. The "object" is in picture frames 13:55 UTC-14:45 UTC or on the video timing from 25 seconds to 55 seconds. If you look at the current pictures (see attached) on the Palaoa web cam, you will see that they are taking pictures at the time as they did yesterday. There is no object in the picture at 13:55 UTC, but you will see a flickering of it in the 14:45 utc frame.
What can we assume from this ?
A: That the object was photoshoped out of the 13:55 frame
B: That position of the web cam was changed slightly.
C: That due to the fact that the earth is also moving around the sun as it rotates on its axis , the object will be seen in a slightly progressed position of the sky every day as captured by a stationary camera.

[yiolas]

Just to make it absolutely clear to everyone, I am not a fly by night poster. I've been a member of PA since March of 2010 and before that a member of PA1. I also have a life outside of Project Avalon . So between posting on the forum and searching for the truth, I also have a full time job as an accountant, I care for my elderly parents, 3 dogs, 1 cat, 20 or so chickens , grow vegetables and fruits year round in my garden and also enjoy doing diy projects with wooden pallets. In fact I constructed this garden bench in between my posts today !

[nearing]

Just to make it absolutely clear to everyone, I am not a fly by night poster. I've been a member of PA since March of 2010 and before that a member of PA1. I also have a life outside of Project Avalon . So between posting on the forum and searching for the truth, I also have a full time job as an accountant, I care for my elderly parents, 3 dogs, 1 cat, 20 or so chickens , grow vegetables and fruits year round in my garden and also enjoy doing diy projects with wooden pallets. In fact I constructed this garden bench in between my posts today !

VERY nice bench! :hippie:

¤=[Post Update]=¤




Just go to the web site http://www.awi.de/NM_WebCam/ . They have a web cam which is updated daily. These are not last year's or last summers pictures.

It looks like they get a little light for about 5 hours during the day there at this time of year, judging from the video cam.

It IS very strange that that glowing body was there yesterday but not today!

Thank-you very much !! that's the whole point !! I know what I saw. I watched the you tube video, then I went to the web cam site and managed to see that their web cam movie for the day was the exact same one, frame by frame , as the you tube video.
So, please just amuse me for a second, and lets assume that the you tube video is authentic. The "object" is in picture frames 13:55 UTC-14:45 UTC or on the video timing from 25 seconds to 55 seconds. If you look at the current pictures (see attached) on the Palaoa web cam, you will see that they are taking pictures at the time as they did yesterday. There is no object in the picture at 13:55 UTC, but you will see a flickering of it in the 14:45 utc frame.
What can we assume from this ?
A: That the object was photoshoped out of the 13:55 frame
B: That position of the web cam was changed slightly.
C: That due to the fact that the earth is also moving around the sun as it rotates on its axis , the object will be seen in a slightly progressed position of the sky every day as captured by a stationary camera.

I am hoping that this is the result of C, but from on day to the next it seems like too much of a change.

[truthseekerdan]

This will be my last post for about a week. I'll be away from home, but occasionally checking in with the PA forum and not necessarily being able to post. I'll miss you guys... :o

Blessings and much love to all ~ Dan


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-NA2pVs9xM

[passiglight]

As i understand it,elenin is a highly electrically charged ball of plasma in a solid state,hurtling through space which is a field of plasma and the comet tale proves this and indeed establishes that this obect is discharging but also charging at a greater rate,,,,,,,

as it moves close to earth it could discharge enough lightning energy to easily cause enough extreme heavy rain to flood this planet within 24 hours,raising sea levels,and causing extreme storms,backed up by haarp,,,and you get Armageddon,,,,,

as happened on mars and venus,,,,,,,
cpsmic love

[Operator]

as it moves close to earth it could discharge enough lightning energy to easily cause enough extreme heavy rain to flood this planet within 24 hours,raising sea levels,and causing extreme storms,backed up by haarp,,,and you get Armageddon,,,,,


I don't see your point on raising sea levels .... in case of 'normal' rain the water came from the oceans in the first place.
Rising sea levels are only possible if there is an external source ...

[yiolas]

As i understand it,elenin is a highly electrically charged ball of plasma in a solid state,hurtling through space which is a field of plasma and the comet tale proves this and indeed establishes that this object is discharging but also charging at a greater rate,,,,,,,

as it moves close to earth it could discharge enough lightning energy to easily cause enough extreme heavy rain to flood this planet within 24 hours,raising sea levels,and causing extreme storms,backed up by haarp,,,and you get Armageddon,,,,,

as happened on mars and venus,,,,,,,
cpsmic love

Hi Passiglight, by the sound of it that's the least that can happen. I just listened to the interview that Dan made us aware of on blog talk

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/nixielarue/2011/06/03/comet-elenin-extinction-level-event

That was quite an extreme interview with worst case scenario possibilities. I hope that things don't come to that.

Have a safe trip Dan. Hope to hear from you again soon.

Glad you liked the bench Nearing. I probably could have painted it today as well if hadn't spent an hour researching and posting.
The reason that I went on that little rant was to show that there's a real person behind my posts and that I'm not just here to shoot the breeze.
I have real concerns, as I expect just like the majority on this thread, that something may infact may be coming our way, which may change the world as we know it.

I need proof of this so that I may prepare myself and my family accordingly. As Greybeard has expressed, there are alot of coincidences surrounding the appearance of Comet Elenin and we need to get to the bottom of this.

BTW, how are we going to find out about the bright object in the Palaoa pictures ? Any suggestions any one ?

[truthseekerdan]

Just had a revelation, and wanted to share it before I leave away from home. I was reading in the Revelation 12:3 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+12:3&version=NIV): "Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads." -- then I went to Lucus' website (http://rabbithole2.com/presentation/research.htm) and saw the picture below, and it clicked. I believe that this BD coming our way has 6 satellites (hence 7 heads), and one of its largest being what they call Elenin. Not saying that I'm right, but who knows... JMHO

http://rabbithole2.com/presentation/images2/the_dragon.jpg

[nearing]

BTW, how are we going to find out about the bright object in the Palaoa pictures ? Any suggestions any one ?

I will check out the astronomy software on my iPad to see if there is a planet there - if I can figure it out! LOL!

¤=[Post Update]=¤




as it moves close to earth it could discharge enough lightning energy to easily cause enough extreme heavy rain to flood this planet within 24 hours,raising sea levels,and causing extreme storms,backed up by haarp,,,and you get Armageddon,,,,,


I don't see your point on raising sea levels .... in case of 'normal' rain the water came from the oceans in the first place.
Rising sea levels are only possible if there is an external source ...

An external source wouldn't be needed IF the Earth stopped spinning or just slowed down. There is more water at the equator due to the spinning of the Earth (centrifugal force) so it bulges there. If it slows down that water would be displaced all over the world.

[Operator]

An external source wouldn't be needed IF the Earth stopped spinning or just slowed down. There is more water at the equator due to the spinning of the Earth (centrifugal force) so it bulges there. If it slows down that water would be displaced all over the world.

Hi,

I know you are right on this point ... but the context was


could discharge enough lightning energy to easily cause enough extreme heavy rain to flood this planet

In case of 'normal' rain we talk about recycling the water that came from the ocean ... this by itself could not cause this problem.

[nearing]

An external source wouldn't be needed IF the Earth stopped spinning or just slowed down. There is more water at the equator due to the spinning of the Earth (centrifugal force) so it bulges there. If it slows down that water would be displaced all over the world.

Hi,

I know you are right on this point ... but the context was


could discharge enough lightning energy to easily cause enough extreme heavy rain to flood this planet

In case of 'normal' rain we talk about recycling the water that came from the ocean ... this by itself could not cause this problem.

Ah, sorry, I missed that...

[Carmody]

Just to make it absolutely clear to everyone, I am not a fly by night poster. I've been a member of PA since March of 2010 and before that a member of PA1. I also have a life outside of Project Avalon . So between posting on the forum and searching for the truth, I also have a full time job as an accountant, I care for my elderly parents, 3 dogs, 1 cat, 20 or so chickens , grow vegetables and fruits year round in my garden and also enjoy doing diy projects with wooden pallets. In fact I constructed this garden bench in between my posts today !

Never burn pallet wood in a stove or fireplace in an enclosed area, most of it has fungicide and and 'anti-vermin' (bug) spray in and on it, in order to be able to be used for shipping - internationally. I don't think it poses a danger as a bench. I would consider using some sort of sealant to help it last longer, though. (as an outdoor bench) If the pallet never had any 'international shipping' marks (stamps, etc) on it, then it may be that it was never treated and was for local European use. Most international shipments (far east, Australia, etc, from continent to continent) these days, are switching to plastic pallets, for this very reason.

[Hervé]

[...]
What can we assume from this ?
A: That the object was photoshoped out of the 13:55 frame
B: That position of the web cam was changed slightly.
C: That due to the fact that the earth is also moving around the sun as it rotates on its axis , the object will be seen in a slightly progressed position of the sky every day as captured by a stationary camera.

or... D: That the moon went a little higher up in the sky... in her customary lunatic behavior.

[nearing]

[...]
What can we assume from this ?
A: That the object was photoshoped out of the 13:55 frame
B: That position of the web cam was changed slightly.
C: That due to the fact that the earth is also moving around the sun as it rotates on its axis , the object will be seen in a slightly progressed position of the sky every day as captured by a stationary camera.

or... D: That the moon went a little higher up in the sky... in her customary lunatic behavior.

Except moon hasn't been full yesterday or today...it's not the moon.

[Hervé]

[...]
What can we assume from this ?
A: That the object was photoshoped out of the 13:55 frame
B: That position of the web cam was changed slightly.
C: That due to the fact that the earth is also moving around the sun as it rotates on its axis , the object will be seen in a slightly progressed position of the sky every day as captured by a stationary camera.

or... D: That the moon went a little higher up in the sky... in her customary lunatic behavior.

Except moon hasn't been full yesterday or today...it's not the moon.

Correct!

However, here we are dealing with digital camera... saturated. Hence the dear old orb looks full.

[nearing]

[...]
What can we assume from this ?
A: That the object was photoshoped out of the 13:55 frame
B: That position of the web cam was changed slightly.
C: That due to the fact that the earth is also moving around the sun as it rotates on its axis , the object will be seen in a slightly progressed position of the sky every day as captured by a stationary camera.

or... D: That the moon went a little higher up in the sky... in her customary lunatic behavior.

Except moon hasn't been full yesterday or today...it's not the moon.

Correct!

However, here we are dealing with digital camera... saturated. Hence the dear old orb looks full.

Well, okay.

But another thing about the moon right now. It is half moon and it rises in the northeast right now in the opposite direction of the setting sun. So, perhaps it is Venus?

[Operator]

It looks like they get a little light for about 5 hours during the day there at this time of year, judging from the video cam.


I am still puzzled by that ...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/World_map_with_polar_circles.svg/800px-World_map_with_polar_circles.svg.png

According to this map most of Antarctica is south of the arctic circle ... this means they will have a couple of months
of complete darkness during the winter ... which should be ... around now (in a couple of days).

So good observation nearing ... but it should not be the case ?!?

P.S. And to see a sun from the South Pole you have to look north ... so the camera must be indeed be facing north.
This implicitly means it's not Nibiru or anything else coming from the south.

[Hervé]

Well, okay.

But another thing about the moon right now. It is half moon and it rises in the northeast right now in the opposite direction of the setting sun. So, perhaps it is Venus?

Correct again!

Now, here is a little excercise: somehow manage a head stand and get some sort of configuration for how it looks like in the southern hemisphere...

Then what we see is a glow over the horizon at noon down there, from behind the camera... and the orb in question is already high in the sky.

To give you an equivalent idea, go to Iceland now and... there's no night! Yet, it's below the Arctic circle:

http://live.mila.is/jokulsarlon/


I personally think it's a bit too bright and too big for it being Venus. However, when I look at the Webcam generated movie, the stars crossing the sky look quite big too. So, the question mark remains for that one.


Anyone interested in having a cold one? Take your pick off my fridge:


8033

[Calz]

As i understand it,elenin is a highly electrically charged ball of plasma in a solid state,hurtling through space which is a field of plasma and the comet tale proves this and indeed establishes that this obect is discharging but also charging at a greater rate,,,,,,,

as it moves close to earth it could discharge enough lightning energy to easily cause enough extreme heavy rain to flood this planet within 24 hours,raising sea levels,and causing extreme storms,backed up by haarp,,,and you get Armageddon,,,,,

as happened on mars and venus,,,,,,,
cpsmic love

Care to elaborate on the source of your "understanding"???

[Calz]

This June 3rd Blog-Talk-Radio, is regarding the comet Elenin, the comet some people think is not a comet, but actually a brown dwarf star. We're going to talk about when this comet/planet is going to be nearing Earth and if it will be close enough to trigger an Extinction Level Event. Is this comet/brown dwarf the reason why google blacked out a part of google sky? why has NASA taken down its 'calculations' page regarding this object. Do they know something we don't? Notice: This is posted just for discerning minds, does not mean I endorse everything 100%... Enjoy!

Approximately 1 hour: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/nixielarue/2011/06/03/comet-elenin-extinction-level-event

This is worth a listen.

Of note he talks (briefly) about the cycle of a dwarf going from white/brown/black and suggests this might be of the black dwarf variety (which has never been "seen"). He also notes the possibility of a "black hole abnormality".

Who knows? Allegedly the black dwarf variety data has led to images of planets orbiting what *appears* to be empty space.

I know for a dwarf to form a certain size or mass needs to be present ... but that include an aged black dwarf as well??? Anyone have any ideas? Can it shed mass as it ages such that PERHAPS it fits the current set of data???

While a "brown dwarf" may be discounted (?) there does not seem to be enough evidence to dismiss a black dwarf (or black hole abnormality) out of hand.

Anyway ... thanks for the posting the interview.

Just throwing out more confused musings from the cheap seats :dizzy:


*** adding from wiki ***



Black dwarf

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For other uses, see Black dwarf (disambiguation).


A black dwarf is a hypothetical stellar remnant, created when a white dwarf becomes sufficiently cool to no longer emit significant heat or light. Since the time required for a white dwarf to reach this state is calculated to be longer than the current age of the universe of 13.7 billion years, no black dwarfs are expected to exist in the universe yet, and the temperature of the coolest white dwarfs is one observational limit on the age of the universe. A white dwarf is what remains of a main sequence star of low or medium mass (below approximately 9 to 10 solar masses), after it has either expelled or fused all the elements which it has sufficient temperature to fuse.[1] What is left is then a dense ball of electron-degenerate matter which cools slowly by thermal radiation, eventually becoming a black dwarf.[2][3] If black dwarfs were to exist, they would be extremely difficult to detect, since, by definition, they would emit very little radiation. One theory is that they might be detectable through their gravitational influence. [4]

Since the far-future evolution of white dwarfs depends on physical questions, such as the nature of dark matter and the possibility and rate of proton decay, which are poorly understood, it is not known precisely how long it will take white dwarfs to cool to blackness. [5], § IIIE, IVA. Barrow and Tipler estimate that it would take 1015 years for a white dwarf to cool to 5 K;[6] however, if weakly interacting massive particles exist, it is possible that interactions with these particles will keep some white dwarfs much warmer than this for approximately 1025 years.[5], § IIIE. If protons are not stable, white dwarfs will also be kept warm by energy released from proton decay. For a hypothetical proton lifetime of 1037 years, Adams and Laughlin calculate that proton decay will raise the effective surface temperature of an old one-solar mass white dwarf to approximately 0.06 K. Although cold, this is thought to be hotter than the temperature that the cosmic background radiation will have 1037 years in the future.[5], §IVB.

The name black dwarf has also been applied to sub-stellar objects which do not have sufficient mass, approximately 0.08 solar masses, to maintain hydrogen-burning nuclear fusion. [7] These objects are now generally called brown dwarfs, a term coined in the 1970s.[8] Black dwarfs should not be confused with black holes or neutron stars.


*** adding again from another source ***

(note: this source suggest too many unknown variables to know how long it would take for a black dwarf to from which contridicts wiki assumption universe is too "young" for one to have formed. Bottom line no one *really* knows ... and so it is *possible*).



Black Dwarf

by Jean Tate on September 23, 2009

A black dwarf is a white dwarf that has cooled down to the temperature of the cosmic microwave background, and so is invisible. Unlike red dwarfs, brown dwarfs, and white dwarfs, black dwarfs are entirely hypothetical.

Once a star has evolved to become a white dwarf, it no longer has an internal source of heat, and is shining only because it is still hot. Like something taken from the oven, left alone a white dwarf will cool down until it is the same temperature as its surroundings. Unlike tonight’s dinner, which cools by convection, conduction, and radiation, a white dwarf cools only by radiation.

Because it’s electron degeneracy pressure that stops it from collapsing to become a black hole, a white dwarf is a fantastic conductor of heat (in fact, the physics of Fermi gasses explains the conductivity of both white dwarfs and metals!). How fast a white dwarf cools is thus easy to work out … it depends on only its initial temperature, mass, and composition (most are carbon plus oxygen; some maybe predominantly oxygen, neon and magnesium; others helium). Oh, and as at least part of the core of a white dwarf may crystallize, the cooling curve will have a bit of a bump around then.

The universe is only 13.7 billion years old, so even a white dwarf formed 13 billion years ago (unlikely; the stars which become white dwarfs take a billion years, or so, to do so) it would still have a temperature of a few thousand degrees. The coolest white dwarf observed to date has a temperature of a little less than 3,000 K. A long way to go before it becomes a black dwarf.

Working out how long it would take for a white dwarf to cool to the temperature of the CMB is actually quite tricky. Why? Because there are lots of interesting effects that may be important, effects we cannot model yet. For example, a white dwarf will contain some dark matter, and at least some of that may decay, over timespans of quadrillions of years, generating heat. Perhaps diamonds are not forever (protons too may decay); more heat. And the CMB is getting cooler all the time too, as the universe continues to expand.

Anyway, if we say, arbitrarily, that at 5 K a white dwarf becomes a black dwarf, then it’ll take at least 10^15 years for one to form.

One more thing: no white dwarf is totally alone; some have binary companions, others may wander through a dust cloud … the infalling mass generates heat too, and if enough hydrogen builds up on the surface, it may go off like a hydrogen bomb (that’s what novae are!), warming the white dwarf quite a bit.

More from Universe Today: How Does a Star Die?, Why Do Stars Die?, and Hubble Discovers a Strange Collection of White Dwarf… Dwarfs.

The End of the Universe Part 1 and Part 2 are Astronomy Cast episodes worth listening to, as are The Life of the Sun and The Life of Other Stars.


http://www.universetoday.com/41096/black-dwarf/

[JoeNashville]

Have you guys been watching the Sydney Star Gazers sight? They take pics of ELEnin and have one today with a GREAT caption. I'll paraphrase...

"There are several large planet looking bodies in the pics, but just ignore those!"

They don't want their pics posted to other sites, but here's the link:

http://sydneystargazers.com/2011/06/13/picture-of-elenin-taken-13th-june/#comment-550

Man this is getting curiouser and stranger by the day! :confused:

[yiolas]

Have you guys been watching the Sydney Star Gazers sight? They take pics of ELEnin and have one today with a GREAT caption. I'll paraphrase...

"There are several large planet looking bodies in the pics, but just ignore those!"

They don't want their pics posted to other sites, but here's the link:

http://sydneystargazers.com/2011/06/13/picture-of-elenin-taken-13th-june/#comment-550


Man this is getting curiouser and stranger by the day! :confused:

Hey great find Joe ! If this were'nt so serious it would be hilarious!
Looking at your link to the pics from Australia, brought to mind the picture in the first post of this thread. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Proof-that-Comet-Elenin-doesn-t-exists!-We-have-Nibiru-instead!&p=172651&viewfull=1#post172651

[JoeNashville]

Hey great find Joe ! If this were'nt so serious it would be hilarious!
Looking at your link to the pics from Australia, brought to mind the picture in the first post of this thread.

Yea I keep telling my self to laugh...

Funny how many of the old pics look very similar to the newer pics. But it's only coincidence, nothing to see!

The StarGazers site has another recent pic that shows ELEnin between to HUGE dust clouds.

Interesting timing but I just finished Velokovsky's "Worlds in Collision" and he postulated that clouds like that could be iron particles and so could be magnetized. And if that were the case it could have the same magnetic effects of a strong singular body, the same effects others have posited could occur with a close pass.

Can't wait to see what happens next!

[Mutchie]

I have been watching this topic very closely from the begining and through the excellent videos which Terral03 and Marshall masters have been releasing it seems to me that they have PROOF that on each occasion when we have been in allignment with elenin we have suffered severe earthquakes ie Japan,Chile,New Zealand now the next allignments will happen within 2 to 3 months and at that point Elenin will be VERY CLOSE TO EARTH :(

Nasa has just issued a WARNING TO ALL ITS EMPLOYEES to be prepared.......if that doesnt get people thinking nothing ever will terrals group expect the next allignments to TOTAL THE WORLDS POWER GRID , THEN THEY EXPECT A SUDDEN POLE SHIFT and millions of humans would perish....we have so much evidence yet people dont want to believe they want to call you a crackpot well we will see VERY SOON !
Usually im very skeptical of these warnings but i think this is for REAL......
I would appreciate feedback from others please

[Anno]

If it is a real and present danger then I'd really like to know for sure.

Are any particular places at risk? Or are we all doomed?

And what exactly can we do?

[Mutchie]

i have some very good you tube videos which have exact dates etc and a timeline showing you exactly when the NEXT ALLIGNMENTS will occur im just not sure how to get them up my post it says [youtube]lyoutube]does the link go in between these 2 symbols ?

[greybeard]

Hi Mutchie
use the one that looks like a film frame -- not u tube,
Click on it and then paste in the link
Chris

[Mutchie]

http://youtube.com/user/Terral03#P/a/u/1/j-NA2pVs9xM

I found this to be very interesting check it out for yourselves.....oh & THANK YOU Greybeard

¤=[Post Update]=¤

UNBELIEVABLE they have TERMINATED his account - he was supplying so much information - how deep does this rabbit hole go ?

hold on im using the FORCE IM SEING THE LINK ......GOTCHA...phew thought i was going to have to use my lightsaber there lol;)

[Mutchie]

http://youtu.be/j-NA2pVs9xM Finally it works HOORAAA .....

OKAY guys check this out enjoy;)

[Carolin]

Hi Mutchie,

Elenin has certainly caught my attention too!! Three alignment dates and three major earthquakes. This is not a vague prediction, someone's dream, or some channelled information.....this is proof positive! And it only stands to reason the closer it comes the more dramatic the disasters will be. I am willing to bet serious money that on or around September 25 we will see terrible disasters here on Earth. If our power grids are wiped out even temporarily there will be no money at the banks, gas at the stations or food in the stores.

What I find the most bothersome is that none of my family or friends will take it seriously. Thank God we don't live on a coast, fault line, by a nuclear plant or have low elevation.

[jasontorque]

I wonder if there's any correlation to the three events mentioned during the Project Camelot interview with Patrick Geryl (http://www.projectcamelot.org/patrick_geryl.html) (at around 56 minutes), where Bill mentions a very well known scientist. I have often speculated whom the scientist might be and have thought it could be either Dr. John Davis (http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/people.shtml) or Professor Mike Brown (http://www.gps.caltech.edu/~mbrown/bio.html), so I asked Bill. He said that he had never heard of Dr. Davis but I received no reply when I asked if it was Professor Mike Brown. I am sure its simply due to the huge number of emails Bill must receive, but I can't think of more important verification if the scientist really is someone credible. I have often wondered why more probing has not been done in this regard, having shared my thoughts and observations with several sceptical friends (some of which are also scientists) and found they were more prepared to listen given the subject matter.

[jack]

Elenin alignments :

1 time - chance. 2 times - coincidence. 3 times - science.

[TraineeHuman]

Major earthquakes plus major earthquakes suggests another major earthquake may be likely somewhere in August/September. It doesn't necessarily suggest pole reversal.

[Mutchie]

Caroline your right no one wants to know its to big on the imagination but there is so much eveidence now kerry and bill were warned in 2008 remember heres the link
http:youtu.be/JXAX1CIW2IM Its no coincidence that nasa warns its employees to be prepared i mean that warning itself was leaked to the public....

[Carolin]

Elenin alignments :

1 time - chance. 2 times - coincidence. 3 times - science.

Love it!!! Now I know how many times a coincidence has to be a coincidence until it's no longer a coincidence

[bennycog]

how did it effect only one spot during the alignments? i would think it would effect more than one spot during an alignment.. the whole planet is aligned is it not?
is it that a certain point on the planet is closer to the comet or whatever is near the comet?
what countries or what has the ptb had to gain from the destruction that has heppened in these cetain places and now being partly blamed on the comet/surrounding entity..

[ghostrider]

If it is a real and present danger then I'd really like to know for sure.

Are any particular places at risk? Or are we all doomed?

And what exactly can we do?

be at least 100 miles from the coastline, stay out of california namely san fransico. stock up on food. get to know your higher self and believe that you are strong and can survive ANYTHING... if nothing happens your still ok , if the camel squeeze hits the fan, you have a chance. but mostly NEVER LET FEAR RULE YOU. FEAR ONLY HAS THE POWER YOU GIVE IT. get underground in a cave maybe head to the ozarks, or the limestone caves in missouri.

[ktlight]

"Ann Eller, who worked with Dr. J. Allen Hynek, the Father of UFO-Alien research, has a unique perspective on the UFO enigma.

Ann's fascinating story also revisits her days in the White House during the Clinton administration, as a medevac nurse for the Peace Corps, and her exceptional encounters with other-worldly beings.

Because of her time spent with Dr. Hynek, Ann offers a completely different insight into the inner workings of UFO studies and research, as well as her recollections of UFO information with which she became acquainted while serving as Hynek's personal secretary. "


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5y1dUPfvuo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5y1dUPfvuo&feature=player_embedded#at=13

[The Truth Is In There]

how did it effect only one spot during the alignments? i would think it would effect more than one spot during an alignment.. the whole planet is aligned is it not?
is it that a certain point on the planet is closer to the comet or whatever is near the comet?
what countries or what has the ptb had to gain from the destruction that has heppened in these cetain places and now being partly blamed on the comet/surrounding entity..

it did/does affect everything (there are hundreds of smaller earthquakes almost everywhere on earth every day now and its getting more the closer planet x comes) but those spots gave way first. and in the case of japan tptb may well have helped along with haarp.

[loveandgratitude]

http://youtu.be/j-NA2pVs9xM Finally it works HOORAAA .....

OKAY guys check this out enjoy;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-NA2pVs9xM&feature=youtu.be

[Mutchie]

I keep finding storys on the net where russian scientists & some chinese ones seem to think this massive object is under intelligent control of some kind now im not tracking its movements myself but for a statement like that to be made someone somewhere must of saw it manouver or change course , I also find it interesting that NO ONE is even sure if this is even a comet lots of folks think its a brown dwarf / others are convinced its nibiru / its a long hard life for half a loaf lol ..........take care:rolleyes:

[DoubleHelix]

I hope this doesn't go over everyone's head once again.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Proof-that-Comet-Elenin-doesn-t-exists%21-We-have-Nibiru-instead%21&p=242372&viewfull=1#post242372

[jimbojp]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIqGvu39muo&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIqGvu39muo&feature=related

Comet In Moominland was a book published in 1946, it was written by Tove Marika Jansson.

[Calz]

Anybody up for Kerry's video conference?

Could be interesting with Farrell and Hoagland on board.


Dr. Joseph P. Farrell to join ELENIN video conf line-up!

We are proud to announce that Joseph Farrell, author of Giza Death Star and Camelot witness click here for our interview with him... His research compliments much of Hoagland's and adds to filling in the big picture regarding the nazis, secret space program and what is really going on here on Planet Earth. Also, see his recent comments regarding NASA's Bolden's statements to the NASA employees...

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html

[DoubleHelix]

I would of been interested up until I realized it was pay only.

Disheartens the best of us - knowledge should be free, once we reach that mindset, the world will be a better place.

[JoshERTW]

Earthquakes I can see, Pole shift? Unlikely with possible exception of another slight axis shift like the one caused by the Chile quake.

[Calz]

I would of been interested up until I realized it was pay only.

Disheartens the best of us - knowledge should be free, once we reach that mindset, the world will be a better place.

I hear yah ...

Curiousity (and respect for Hoagland and Farrell) may get the best of me this time :)

[Calz]

I hope this doesn't go over everyone's head once again.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Proof-that-Comet-Elenin-doesn-t-exists%21-We-have-Nibiru-instead%21&p=242372&viewfull=1#post242372

So if you believe a dwarf is out of the question ... what would be your speculation on what is causing the increasing magnetic pole shift as well as the weakening of the magnetosphere???

The "charged" area of the universe the solar system is entering (and it's effect on the Sun etc)???

Lots of conflicting information out there.

[ghostrider]

great strategy the ptb have us looking out there for ET and he been right next to you all along. you've met them people that have something different about them, you can't put your finger on it you just know.

[fox.mulder]

Well if we get to this time next year and nothing happens (again) can all you fear mongering posters maybe give posting a rest........

[DoubleHelix]

big can of worms there, like others I can only purely speculate. magnetosphere? I have no idea.

Geographic pole shift - Through research into Atlantis I've gained an understanding that geographic pole shifts occur every so often, and the North Pole of late used to be located in Hudson Bay.

Magnetic pole shift - I have a limited knowledge regarding the magnetic pole, but it's my understanding that it's always shifting, some times quicker than other times.

Are you of the belief that an external source way out in space is effecting Earth's magnetic field ?

[loveandgratitude]

Unfortunately no co-ordinates.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4Ky4Zc4qlk&NR=1

[Calz]

big can of worms there, like others I can only purely speculate. magnetosphere? I have no idea.

Geographic pole shift - Through research into Atlantis I've gained an understanding that geographic pole shifts occur every so often, and the North Pole of late used to be located in Hudson Bay.

Magnetic pole shift - I have a limited knowledge regarding the magnetic pole, but it's my understanding that it's always shifting, some times quicker than other times.

Are you of the belief that an external source way out in space is effecting Earth's magnetic field ?

Well the ice core samples show that on a cyclical basis (many thousands of years in between) there are traces of several space particles that allegedly could only be there if the magnetosphere had dropped. Don't remember but there are 2 in particular and not hard to find if you research it.

Magnetic pole is shifting quite a bit right now (although you are correct in that it does drift a lot on a smaller basis). Several stories out there of airports needing to realign their runways due to how much it has shifted lately. Another good indication is a lot of the animal die off is due to animals relying on their sense of direction to migrate, find food and their way home etc.

Yes there have been several physical pole shifts on this planet (as well as others in the solar system).

Anyway ... since you seem convinced a brown dwarf is not involved (and you could be quite correct) I was looking for other explanations.

The area in space being responsible would *not* account for the alignments with earth/sun/elenin for the last 3 biggest quakes (altho in another thread there is interesting info regarding the actual strength of the japan quake).

[Solace]

the next allignments will happen within 2 to 3 months and at that point Elenin will be VERY CLOSE TO EARTH :(


http://rlv.zcache.com/were_doomed_mens_t_shirts-p235890104957902927q6v8_400.jpg


Usually im very skeptical of these warnings but i think this is for REAL......


And the usual "I'm very skeptical..." scheme at the and of the post...:rolleyes:

[Calz]

Well if we get to this time next year and nothing happens (again) can all you fear mongering posters maybe give posting a rest........

There is *something* happening and we are using the forum to explore what that could be.

I don't think anyone here is "fearmongering".

I personally find it fascinating that we *could* be experiencing the end of the cycle/start of the next (and whatever that entails).

[Calz]

For those who may have missed it ... interesting little vid from Kerry's blog:

Comet Elenin is definitely not Planet X or Nibiru - Forbidden Knowledge video

Although this is understood by me and our whistleblowers... please watch if you want to see how Google is hiding a portion of the sky. You have to ask yourself what else is out there...

http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/videos/comet-eleninnibirubrown-dwarf-twin/comet-elenin-is-definitely-not-planet-x-or-nibiru.html

[DoubleHelix]

Yes Cal well said, I don't think anyone's trying to blow the wind out of one's sail here.

Brainstorming's always a good idea - but when speculation is allowed to run rampant with a lack of cross-checked facts it can sometimes prove detrimental.

The transition into a new cycle is one that especially interests me, as anybody familiar with the Zodiak will realize that we're moving from the Piscean age into the Aquarian age.

Since we're in the mood for speculation, what's your thoughts based on all the data gathered in regards to Earth changes?

*EDIT* I seen that video earlier today, Could it be apart of a well funded psyop ?(that as well as the nasa email employee warning)

[tcjim1]

It would be interesting to know where illuminious1 got the images from. Are these images one that were given to her or did she ones she was able to take?
If they are actual images, they really are interesting.

[Carolin]

"Pastor" Donny Gilson seems to put out a new video daily. Manic came to mind the first time I watched him. I'm trying very hard to stay away from crazy town while researching Elenin.

[Calz]

Yes Cal well said, I don't think anyone's trying to blow the wind out of one's sail here.

Brainstorming's always a good idea - but when speculation is allowed to run rampant with a lack of cross-checked facts it can sometimes prove detrimental.

The transition into a new cycle is one that especially interests me, as anybody familiar with the Zodiak will realize that we're moving from the Piscean age into the Aquarian age.

Since we're in the mood for speculation, what's your thoughts based on all the data gathered in regards to Earth changes?

*EDIT* I seen that video earlier today, Could it be apart of a well funded psyop ?(that as well as the nasa email employee warning)


Looking again at ice samples (and other scientific means to view the data) *clearly* climate change is and has always been going on.

That the political sociopaths are attempting to rape the people for carbon tax $$$ shows plainly their moral bankruptcy.

Though I avoid most "channeled" information these days ... there were many good sources predicting almost exactly what is going on now (James Gilliland comes to mind) regarding the climate changes and weather patterns. Who knows?

Obvious now and even admitted by major governments is weather manipulation going on via haarp, scalar or other exotic technology. Aside from the *direct* impact on the weather perhaps there are unintended *side effects*?

Having said all that (again from speculative observation) I think the data that the solar system has moved and continues moving into a type of "energy" that is changing the nature of all planets (temperature, brightness etc) cannot be discounted.

... and yes ... the PSYOPS (and theories) abound.

[Calz]

Calling attention to Kerry's blog regarding the upcoming video conference (getting to have too many elenin threads going ...).

Anyway ... Joeseph Farrell is now on board as well as Hoagland so should be interesting to see what the "latest" data and their take on it reveal:


ELENIN : CHANGE OF DATE FOR CAMELOT VIDEO CONF

Due to some very important new information that has surfaced, I am changing the date of the Camelot video conference on ELENIN to June 24th. I sincerely apologize for this last minute change. However, Richard Hoagland has some very crucial information that has come in and as a result, he will need the extra time to prepare his data for presentation to the group and our audience. This is something you are going to want to be part of...We are talking about events happening in the fall that could be paradigm changing for humanity. The speakers involved in this conference are each bringing an important piece of the puzzle. All of the data on what is coming is not in, but the evidence brought forward will be discussed in depth to consider all of the possibilities...


http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html

[Brodie75]

Knowledge is free, but it costs money to bring it to a large audiance.
Surely if you are interested enough $20 is a small price to pay

[Mutchie]

how much is it to listen to this live conference ? Hoaxland has been attacking dr judy wood over her 9/11 book and that to me is a sign that he is a dis info agent......

[DoubleHelix]

Knowledge is free, but it costs money to bring it to a large audiance.


I can appreciate the need to charge for seminars and events to keep the boat afloat and all the rest.

But what's the exact cost here, I'm under the impression the video conference is a broadcasted live skype conversation - Sure they have some big names which i do have respect for, but does that entitle them to charge a fee? if it we're lesser known people would there be a fee ? I think not.

[Brodie75]

Knowledge is free, but it costs money to bring it to a large audiance.


I can appreciate the need to charge for seminars and events to keep the boat afloat and all the rest.

But what's the exact cost here, I'm under the impression the video conference is a broadcasted live skype conversation - Sure they have some big names which i do have respect for, but does that entitle them to charge a fee? if it we're lesser known people would there be a fee ? I think not.

I believe, but am not sure that Richard Hoagland charges a small fee. On top of that you are paying for
time spent researching and gathering of imformation. Having said that i think the price should
reflect the quality of both the speakers information and presentation (tech problems,audio).

[Operator]

how much is it to listen to this live conference ? Hoaxland has been attacking dr judy wood over her 9/11 book and that to me is a sign that he is a dis info agent......

Not only that, he's far too excited over a lot of topics, hyping it. How much of the hype appeared to be true ?
He appears to be more and more like a show master. Great he found anomalies in the Apollo photos but his glass domes on the moon turn out to be
studio artifacts rather than his explanation. He's been wrong lots of times before, including propagating we've been to the moon using Apollo technology.
The way he's read in on the material leaves me no other option than to conclude that his 'mistakes' can't be accidental.

But that's of course 'IMHO' ...

[Operator]

The way he's read in on the material leaves me no other option than to conclude that his 'mistakes' can't be accidental.


Which, by the way, doesn't mean there is no useful information in the things he tells us. It could very well be he's only allowed to
tell us things in a distorted way ... but it's up to us to have the right filter on.

[Mutchie]

HELLO operator i speak with JOHN LEAR quite often and have come to class him as a friend & he is now CONVINCED HOAXLAND IS A SHILL and john wouldnt say that lightly as for comet elenin i spoke with richard hoagland on facebook about this and he said IT IS ALL BUNK to me that was when i asked him firstly about NASAS WARNING then about the ELENIN THREAT ASSESMENT anyway 2 days later there was a discussion running on his facebook page and HE HAD TOTALLY CHANGED HIS MIND now it was VERY STRANGE that they had issued the warning not only to its employees on earth but also to all humans who were off planet by that i think they meant the SECRET SPACE PROGRAM ......i mean lets say hoagland has a TICKET as they call it for a underground D.U.M.B wouldnt he say and do anything the goverment asked of him to protect his and his own family .....WE HAVE HAD 3 ALLIGMENTS = 3 MASSIVE EARTHQUAKES = 3 MORE COMING AT THE OBJECTS CLOSEST DISTANCE TO EARTH YET = AND THERE IS NOTHING ON MAIN STREAM NEWS = nothing whatsoever so what to make of it ?

[KosmicKat]

Elenin alignments :

1 time - chance. 2 times - coincidence. 3 times - science.

Love it!!! Now I know how many times a coincidence has to be a coincidence until it's no longer a coincidence

From Old Chicago,

Once is coicumstance,
Twice is coincidence,
Tree times is Enemy Action!

[Carolin]

HOAXLAND IS A SHILL

I guess if we believed government employees, past or present, we wouldn't be members of this forum.

I think that Leonid Elenin's website www.spaceobs.org is a shill also. I looked through the website briefly and couldn't find anything about the alignment dates. Has anybody else found anything credible on this website? Do you guys believe that Elenin has a 12, 989 year orbit?

[Mutchie]

its very hard knowing WHO is feeding us accurate info thesedays as for that site it tells you nothing is amiss = WELL IF THAT IS SO WHY ARE RUSSIA RUSHING TO BUILD HUNDREADS OF NEW UNDERGROUND BUNKERS ???? I had a link sent to me earlier QUOTING BARGAIN PRICES for a place inside a missile silo which has been converted into an underground bunker THEY WANTED £1O,OOO for me and i would be sharing this place with hundreads of people which made it sound like we were going to be crammed in like sardines.....it warned also that if i left it until the next allignments actually confirmed our WORST FEARS the prices could then double or even treble as by then people would be DESPERATE to escape the surface , i have never seen a really intense solar flare bombardment before so im not sure how bad it will be - this ad actually had FAMILYS SELLING THEIR HOMES for places in bunkers getting ready NOW not later:confused:

[RedeZra]

so much fuzz for a simple comet

[Operator]

WELL IF THAT IS SO WHY ARE RUSSIA RUSHING TO BUILD HUNDREADS OF NEW UNDERGROUND BUNKERS ????

Well, at least on this point John Moore (http://www.thelibertyman.com/) was right .... from order to turn-key delivery having a bunker built from scratch
will at least take a year (only if design drawings are approved and ready). So this would mean that if they are in the know it's not going to happen soon.

I listened this morning to Ann Eller giving this presentation:

j5y1dUPfvuo

Given her credentials (she worked for J. Allen Hynek) I thought she was very credible ... until the point where she started to credit the Zeta Report.
Well anyway she apparently said earlier this year that with the first Japanese earthquake we're at step 7 out of 10 (Being 'only', but already, a 8.9 earthquake).

Step 8 will be even less pleasant and more devastating if she's right ...
But according to her schedule we still have a few steps ahead.

But then again her story involves the earth stop rotating, sun rising in the west, earth flipping on it's side, restoring position and then starts rotating again.
Also she claimed that the brown-dwarf was coming from the direction of the sun and we would be able to see it each day now ...
(Something coming for years now from the direction of the sun is physically impossible).

I know for decades something is coming, governments will lose their position and in my lifetime we will experience what looks like a mad-max world.
But most of the tales are too far out .... IMHO

[Carolin]

WOW!! What is that about $20,000 USD? There is always money to be made. Reminds me of an article I read online about Camper's prediction. Some guy in the States started a pet retreival business. He promised to look after the pets of the people who had experienced rapture......for a fee of course.

I don't know about you guys but I would rather die with my family than live amongst strangers like a sardine. Besides, I've always felt taken care of by "God, Sprit, The Universe" and if I was supposed to build a bunker I would have won the lottery ;)

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Ktlight.....That was really depressing.......but never fear we create our own reality , and I'm not letting that one in.....LOL...Cheers Steve

[jack]

how did it effect only one spot during the alignments? i would think it would effect more than one spot during an alignment.. the whole planet is aligned is it not?
is it that a certain point on the planet is closer to the comet or whatever is near the comet?
what countries or what has the ptb had to gain from the destruction that has heppened in these cetain places and now being partly blamed on the comet/surrounding entity..

The entire earth tilted on its axis, like a mini physical pole shift. The reverberations were said to have been regestiered all over the earth.

If it looks like a dog.. and barks like a dog... It might still be a duck. I think the next major alignment is september the 26th or something.. not sure if im accurate on that one but it rings a bell.

[Mutchie]

now this could be ALL TRUE but i can understand WHY people might think she is nuts.... I believe something has happened to her but lets put that aside just for a moment, can you IMAGINE if all this HAS HAPPENED TO HER FOR REAL and the RIDICULE she must encounter both behind her back and to her face , you would need to be REALLY BRAVE TO GO PUBLIC but according to John Lear we humans are abducducted on a regular basis !

[Mutchie]

Yes its a hard life for a half loaf lol......the gentleman above is correct there is one due in september but there are 2 more earlier ones they say we are going to be BOMBARDED WITH SOLAR STORMS THEN MEGA QUAKES THEN WHEN THE POLE SHIFT HAPPENS well you have tsunamis and of course the power grid is down so we wont be able to log onto AVALON it sounds like living through it is going to be a nightmare ?????

[Rocky_Shorz]

I'll call your MMMS and raise you to enlightenment ;)

[alxz]

I'd love to see coments on this one. But make up your own minds? no, im not sure.

[Calz]

Knowledge is free, but it costs money to bring it to a large audiance.


I can appreciate the need to charge for seminars and events to keep the boat afloat and all the rest.

But what's the exact cost here, I'm under the impression the video conference is a broadcasted live skype conversation - Sure they have some big names which i do have respect for, but does that entitle them to charge a fee? if it we're lesser known people would there be a fee ? I think not.

I believe, but am not sure that Richard Hoagland charges a small fee. On top of that you are paying for
time spent researching and gathering of imformation. Having said that i think the price should
reflect the quality of both the speakers information and presentation (tech problems,audio).

Just got back after 3 weeks overseas.

At LAX feeding 2 kids at McDonalds cost $20 ... make up you own minds on value ...

:hungry::hungry:

[Calz]

HOAXLAND IS A SHILL

I guess if we believed government employees, past or present, we wouldn't be members of this forum.

I think that Leonid Elenin's website www.spaceobs.org is a shill also. I looked through the website briefly and couldn't find anything about the alignment dates. Has anybody else found anything credible on this website? Do you guys believe that Elenin has a 12, 989 year orbit?

Most every Camelot interview subject has been trashed by someone or another.

Bob Dean is such a "teddy bear" perhaps no one will dare say a discouraging word.

No doubt there are others.

Seems odd avalon/camelot members who are here (allegedly) because of such interviews have such negativity to heap upon them.

As I recall Hoagland was a member of the "press" which (officially) (last I checked) is not a government agency (altho they sure follow marching orders ... but going back what ... to the 60's when he was covering Nasa things were not so blatant?)

[Calz]

so much fuzz for a simple comet

Jury is still out on this comet being so "simple" ... could well be ... if not then some extraordinary effort on behalf of the black op world is taking place.

[RedeZra]

so much fuzz for a simple comet

Jury is still out on this comet being so "simple" ... could well be ... if not then some extraordinary effort on behalf of the black op world is taking place.


I guess we'll have to wait for the comet then ; )

[AlexanderLight]

NASA ($20 billions/year budget + allegedly more tens of billions in 'black money', investing in technology from the 50s, thousands of employees, best telescopes - especially built to detect incoming objects/planets/asteroids - i.e. 'Wise' Telescope, best vantage points from Earth & space, etc., etc., etc.) was not capable to detect this incoming comet. So how could an amateur astronomer from Russia detect it with an 18-inch telescope before them?

The official lies and cover-ups are always very weak, and still, the people believe them. It's out of my understanding...

[AlexanderLight]

Dear 'yiolas' I am 100% with you one this one. The picture and video are highly appreciated. Please don't hesitate to post if you have more videos/pictures.

10 x Thanks :-)

[yiolas]

Thanks ! I just can't get it out of my mind that they are probably seeing this thing everyday and letting the public know.

[Calz]

Something is happening folks ... we can debate all we want as to the cause ... but the facts remain.

Huge Sun Explosion Rocks Astromomer's World


Analysis, research ramped up: 'We're seeing things we've never seen before'

A huge storm on the sun this week unleashed what some have called the most massive eruption of solar plasma ever seen. While that's up for review, the solar storm has revealed a tantalizing glimpse at the inner workings of our nearest star, scientists say.

NASA astronomers said the huge June 7 solar eruption, called a coronal mass ejection, probably wasn't the biggest ever, but it is notable both for its size and its perplexing behavior. Huge waves of plasma roared off the sun only to rain back down on the solar surface.

"We're seeing things we've never seen before," said Phillip Chamberlin, an astrophysicist at NASA's Goddard Spaceflight Center in Greenbelt, Md., and a deputy project scientist on the agency's Solar Dynamics Observatory (SDO) satellite. "It's a really exciting event. There are a lot of exceptions to it."


© NASA / SDO
The Solar Dynamics Observatory's view of the coronal mass ejection.The solar storm occurred on Tuesday and lasted about three hours. It produced a sudden brightening of the sun called a solar flare that was only a moderate, or Class M, event. However, it also let loose the coronal mass ejection, which is a cloud of charged particles that erupted into space from the surface of the sun.

Sun shower of plasma rain

Usually, coronal mass ejection material flies off into space, sometimes hurling toward Earth. But this time, a large majority of it fell back down to the solar surface.

"The particles that were shot off expanded to a very large volume, sort of a mushroom cloud, and then a lot fell back down to the sun," Chamberlin said.

However, enough material was sent Earthward that skywatchers are expecting some extra-bright displays of the Northern Lights, or auroras, this week.

Why it happened this way, instead of the usual process of ejecting out into space, is still a mystery. "We're still trying to figure that one out," Chamberlin told Space.com. "That's science. I don't know. We're stumped."

Sun secrets revealed?

But the scientists are eagerly studying the event in an attempt to understand it. They are aided by video footage of the event from SDO, as well as NASA's twin Stereo spacecraft orbiting the sun from points ahead of and behind Earth, providing multiple angles on the solar activity.

"We should get a good stereoscopic view and try to model this and understand what's going on, why is there so much plasma raining down," Chamberlin said.

Another mystery researchers are hoping to solve is why this super-powerful coronal mass ejection was paired with just a moderate solar flare. Experts aren't sure about the connection between the two events, which usually seem to roughly correlate both in timing and strength.

"One of the big questions in solar science is the relationship between solar flares and coronal mass ejections," Chamberlin said. "Can you have one without the other or are they really intimately tied? There are people in the field that will argue both ways."

Watershed sun storm

Having such a unique event to investigate is sure to provide some new insights into the riddle, Chamberlin said.

In fact, he estimated that tens to hundreds of research papers would likely come out of just this one event, and a number of graduate students will likely do their entire Ph.D. research on this particular solar storm.

"The scientists are really excited, to the point where it's kind of like a watercooler," Chamberlin said. "Everybody here at Goddard is all talking with each other. We have a video wall and we're just standing around looking at it, picking out new things."

And it truly is a good time to be a solar scientist, because this event is just the beginning. The sun is waking up from a slump in its normal 11-year cycle of activity. A period of solar minimum, with few storms or flares, occurred a few years ago, and the sun is expected to reach maximum activity at the end of 2013.

"We're going to get a lot more of these events coming up in the next couple years, probably bigger events as well," Chamberlin said.


http://www.sott.net/articles/show/229787-Huge-sun-explosion-rocks-astronomers-world

[Mutchie]

Well well yet another thread talking about ELENIN - i believe nasas WARNING SAYS IT ALL - get prepared - move away from a coastline im on one myself the problem is friends and family dont want to hear this stuff they wont listen until major events are upon them take my word for it - i have tried recently talking to people about the evidence that the alligments have caused earthquakes and people are more interested in what time CORONATION STREET IS ON OR EASTENDERS i mean didnt you know thats where the real action is ?

[The Truth Is In There]

a few more CMEs during summer will be sure to wake people up, especially when they come close to earth and maybe knock out the global power grid. an appetizer of things to come, i can't wait!

[Mutchie]

you know i read the truth is in there,s post with interest and then thought = WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO WAKE EVERYONE IN THE WHOLE WORLD UP = i suppose massive solar storms bombarding us but thats just it by then THE GRID IS DOWN i will bet you most folks wont have a clue what is about to happen to them they will be so unprepared that it makes me angry not with them but with world goverments who could at least try to tell us whats best - saying that NOTHING IS GUARANTEED YET im getting frustrated i want to know yes or no are we in danger ?:confused:

[Mutchie]

god AVALON ic plastered with threads on comet ELENIN and its all over the net kind of tells you something ??????????:rolleyes:

[AlexanderLight]

A global collapse of the power grids may have a very positive impact on people. I was talking about this with a friend of mine and we reached the conclusion that this may possibly save the human specie from itself.

Without electricity there will be no more cars driving on the roads, planes flying, TVs, radios, cell phones, banks, etc. Humans would have more time for themselves, their families, reconnecting with mother Earth and remembering who they truly are.

I can't help but look at this explosions in a positive way at this point. Sure, people will die from starvation or cold, but the human specie may survive and become much-much better.
What do you think?

[Anno]

This all reminds me of the Y2K bug. People made a packet selling fixes and bugger all happened.

I'd rather be sat on the surface and leave this body having witnessed a rare and amazing event than get buried alive in a bunker with a few hundred screaming strangers and go out surrounded by that energy.
If crust displacement happens and I survive then I'll (the uk) either end up near the equator and have awesome weather, or up near the north pole and be flash frozen, so either way I don't see how I can lose. =]

[Carolin]

HOAXLAND IS A SHILL

I guess if we believed government employees, past or present, we wouldn't be members of this forum.

I think that Leonid Elenin's website www.spaceobs.org is a shill also. I looked through the website briefly and couldn't find anything about the alignment dates. Has anybody else found anything credible on this website? Do you guys believe that Elenin has a 12, 989 year orbit?

Most every Camelot interview subject has been trashed by someone or another.

Bob Dean is such a "teddy bear" perhaps no one will dare say a discouraging word.

No doubt there are others.

Seems odd avalon/camelot members who are here (allegedly) because of such interviews have such negativity to heap upon them.

As I recall Hoagland was a member of the "press" which (officially) (last I checked) is not a government agency (altho they sure follow marching orders ... but going back what ... to the 60's when he was covering Nasa things were not so blatant?)

Hi Calz,

I was actually quoting Mutchie with "HOAXLAND IS A SHILL" but I lost my quotation marks while I was cutting it down....still a newbie. As far as Hoagland goes, his facebook info says he was a former Nasa consultant and that to me says government. Regardless, it doesn't matter to me if it's the government, the church, a teacher, my parents, my best-friends or my husband. I evauate EVERYTHING I hear with my own discernment. Just because somebody has a valid point in one respect doesn't mean the next thing out of their mouth will be just as valid. Everyone including me has been a shill without even realizing it. We repeat what we hear because we think it's truth. Just because it's been said over and over again doesn't make it my truth. But I digress, in my experience government/military are so segregated that they only see part of the whole unless they are out of the box thinkers.

Funny you should mention Bob Dean. I just watched their last interview with him and I could swear that I heard him tell Kerry to check something herself....not to believe him. I don't recall the subject and it really doesn't matter the point is the same "CHECK IT OUT YOURSELF". By the way people, how does somebody 82 look that good.

"Seems odd avalon/camelot members who are here (allegedly) because of such interviews have such negativity to heap upon them." Now Calz, you couldn't be talking about me here because you don't know me well enough to make that statement. But it's nice to see you have such loyalty to this forum.:p

[truthseekerdan]

Good to be back... "Friends, trying to keep the reality of the facts, make no mistake with videos showing a second sun near the Sun. The Dwarf Star is very much under the sun nowadays, in another quadrant. Only in late August and early September it will be close to the sun for our viewing angle. Any video made before that date is a reflection of lenses, or a tampering of the film.

After these pictures taken at the South Pole, they were never released new pictures of Dwarf Star and infrared telescope WISE was deliberately turned off to the public.

The following diagrams show why it is impossible to photograph the Dwarf Star next to the sun in their current position.

As of today, June 17, the Dwarf Star is far from the sun, far in the southeast quadrant.

On August 30, the Dwarf Star will be in the same distance from the Sun, 1 AU from Earth. So yes, you can see a big star to the left side and below the sun.

From there, it approximates very fast, on September 26, it will be aligned with the Earth and sun at 0.39 AU and it will be at the closest distance from Earth 0.23 AU on October 17.

From late August to late November, it will be seen from anywhere on Earth will be four months the presence of such small solar system in our sky with approximately 78000 km in diameter, included the orbits of its planetoids. Many photos will then be taken to be shown to future generations, recorded in pictures the first time since the human race occupies the planet Earth. Do not be fooled by misinformation, always be aware of the mistakes."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsWPyv-C6qE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsWPyv-C6qE

[nearing]

Good to be back... "Friends, trying to keep the reality of the facts, make no mistake with videos showing a second sun near the Sun. The Dwarf Star is very much under the sun nowadays, in another quadrant. Only in late August and early September it will be close to the sun for our viewing angle. Any video made before that date is a reflection of lenses, or a tampering of the film.

After these pictures taken at the South Pole, they were never released new pictures of Dwarf Star and infrared telescope WISE was deliberately turned off to the public.

The following diagrams show why it is impossible to photograph the Dwarf Star next to the sun in their current position.

As of today, June 17, the Dwarf Star is far from the sun, far in the southeast quadrant.

On August 30, the Dwarf Star will be in the same distance from the Sun, 1 AU from Earth. So yes, you can see a big star to the left side and below the sun.

From there, it approximates very fast, on September 26, it will be aligned with the Earth and sun at 0.39 AU and it will be at the closest distance from Earth 0.23 AU on October 17.

From late August to late November, it will be seen from anywhere on Earth will be four months the presence of such small solar system in our sky with approximately 78000 km in diameter, included the orbits of its planetoids. Many photos will then be taken to be shown to future generations, recorded in pictures the first time since the human race occupies the planet Earth. Do not be fooled by misinformation, always be aware of the mistakes."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsWPyv-C6qE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsWPyv-C6qE

As I have been saying all along. We won't be able to see it with our naked eye until it's nearly upon us.

Kerry is going to be having a conference on Elenin on June 24. Again, I reiterate from the research I have done (from what little we, the public, are given) that Elenin is only a harmless comet. BUT it is orbiting a dangerous Dwarf Star. So I hope the people in her conference acknowledge that they are not one and the same but that they do not blow off the danger just because Elenin is a comet. That Dwarf Star is and does disturb the Earth and will continue to.

The comet and the Dwarf Star's orbit are the same so we can gauge where the Dwarf Start is by the JPL software on Elenin. BUT they are different bodies.

Let's be sure to speak correctly about this. I think TPTW like the fact that most people are confused on this issue - makes it easier to say that the Dwarf Star 'truthers' are crazy.

[truthseekerdan]

Let's be sure to speak correctly about this. I think TPTW like the fact that most people are confused on this issue - makes it easier to say that the Dwarf Star 'truthers' are crazy.

Nearing, also TPTW are trying to confuse and deceive people with the guy that supposedly discovered this so called comet...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxcd4EtcUI0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxcd4EtcUI0

[nearing]

Let's be sure to speak correctly about this. I think TPTW like the fact that most people are confused on this issue - makes it easier to say that the Dwarf Star 'truthers' are crazy.

Nearing, also TPTW are trying to confuse and deceive people with the guy that supposedly discovered this so called comet...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxcd4EtcUI0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxcd4EtcUI0

Yeah, an amateur astronomer, no less. I haven't bought that story even one iota since I heard it. The name ELENIN alone shows how much they are playing the public.

Please. *rolls eyes*

[yiolas]

Hi Guys, this just in from the lady who first predicted a major earth event on earth due to the alignment with Elenin. I have also included her first video on Elenin, posted on March 8, only three days before the March 11 Great earth quake.

I think that 'Nania' is really tapping into something and it wouldn't hurt listening to what she has to say.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8K9-jpEKLI&feature=feedu

This is her Pre- March 11 video. I very clearly recall her telling everyone to take a vacation for the period around March 11, 2011


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95zMdTvoqcQ&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

[truthseekerdan]

NASA's Preparedness Speech

"First hour guest, Richard C. Hoagland reacted to a speech on disaster preparedness made by NASA's director Charles Bolden. His comment about NASA being a Federal agency dealing with humans on & off planet might have been a veiled reference to a secret space program, Hoagland suggested. On June 24th, Richard will be a participant in an online video roundtable about the mysterious comet, Elenin."

Looks to me that R. H. is trying to downplay this ELEnin Event... Can we say 'american Nick Pope'?

Skip to the interview directly at 10:00 min. into the video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAQC7fLZR0E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAQC7fLZR0E

[Rocky_Shorz]

tonight a new series is beginning on TNT... 9PM

Steven Spielberg directing a weekly show on an alien invasion called Falling Skies...


wasn't he convinced an invasion was coming according to one of his interviews?

[Carolin]

Hi Guys, this just in from the lady who first predicted a major earth event on earth due to the alignment with Elenin. I have also included her first video on Elenin, posted on March 8, only three days before the March 11 Great earth quake. I think that 'Nania' is really tapping into something and it wouldn't hurt listening to what she has to say. This is her Pre- March 11 video. I very clearly recall her telling everyone to take a vacation for the period around March 11, 2011

Thank you for posting 9Nania's videos!! I think it's obvious that she is onto something. I'm sure the people of Japan don't think her March 9th video is "fear porn". I also 100% agree with her about stocking up. We pay insurance on our homes, cars, businesses and health and hope to never use it....this is exactly the same. To get my family to participate I have asked them to buy me nonperishable food items for my birthday. If nothing comes to pass we'll have a big bean party or donate it all to a local food bank.