Planet X/Nibiru/Tyche/Hercolobus/Elenin

[jsb_swampfox]

I am starting to wonder if we are manifesting this timeline by putting so much effort into this subject. Maybe Inelia is right, We create our own timelines. I dont know anymore, I am trying not to let fear enter into my head, but it is a hard not to. There is a lot of evidence....

[ghostrider]

Thanks 'The Truth Is There' for sharing, I just finished listening to Mr Hoagland on Coast to Coast. Somebody please help me understand because I must be too dense.

Does Elenin has a 13,000 year cycle or no cycle at all?

Elenin is a time capsule.................really??????

JPL is accurate for September 11 but alignment dates and major earthquakes should be disregarded?

So many things he said were contradictory that he'll claim to be right regardless of the outcome. I could go on and on but I've already lost two hours of my life that I'll never get back by listening to Mr Hoagland baffle me with :bs: NO intelligent ET would fly their planet sized craft right next to earth tip it over and devistate life on earth not to mention cause the sun to CME us into powder. surely they know you can't park the bus that close to the baby.

[Calz]

FWIW - From James Gilliland via giovonni on the Ranch thread:



Greetings,

From James newsletter...

#6586 Comment on Elenin, "Nibiru"

Elenin or Nibiru?

"Many have asked for me to comment on comet Elenin. I was given in meditation a
big event is coming. I was also given the time line Sept. 26th have to be fully
self sufficient away from the coasts seeking shelter in high ground away from
any active fault lines or volcanoes. I also find it odd that the so-called comet
"Elenin" is geo effective at that time passing between the Earth and the Sun.
The Swiss Franc depicts this event,
http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=16211 The N.W.O. and powers that
be or were have prepared extensive underground facilities at our expense for
them and their families leaving all others topside to fend for themselves. This
has always been the plan with those we have entrusted to take care of us, they
always take care of themselves. Look at Social Security. The Vatican has spent
millions if not billions into tracking what they call wormwood. Many call this
incoming body planet X, Nibiru, and it is referred to as the winged globe or the
red dragon; which seems to pass by every 11,000 years give or take. In the early
80's this object was found, it hit the headline news and they said we don't have
to worry about it a while. That while is here. The Mayan Calendar talks about
the end of a major cycle in Oct. the 28th to be exact. This is the second
passing as it leaves our system. NASA otherwise known as never a straight answer
has not been forthcoming on UFOs, off world visitors they have had meetings with
and which have been working with along with other major corporations. Insiders
say not one of our missions to the moon or in space was not monitored by off
world craft. Or was it out own black projects? They have also not been
forthcoming about our own black projects with bases on the moon and mars as well
as the secret space fleet and would rather keep the charade going sending
astronauts up on giant firecrackers hoping they make it. Their job is to provide
window dressing and maintain the status quo so I would not depend upon them for
any truth concerning Elenin aka any other incoming objects. There is just to
much evidence to the contrary of their official story as in most official
stories. The bottom line is what is your gut telling you? What is the Earth
doing? Why all the unprecedented volcanoes and earthquakes? What is with the
weather? What is perturbing the planet? A major event is around the corner,
something big. The Earth is ascending to the next level, we are entering a
highly charged place in space, We are coming into alignment with Galactic plane
and there is more space debris as well as cosmic bursts of energy hitting the
than ever before. The standard, Nothing to see here folks, keep shopping is not
going to cut it much longer and it turns my stomach to see these old grandfather
bought scientists come on the air and lie with a smirk. Why the smirk? Because
they know and have their tickets to the underground facilities and want to be
sure and get there before all hell breaks loose. As I said they take care of
themselves first. Be well"
James Gilliland www.eceti.org

[Mandala]

This is the vfirst time I have viewed anything by 9nania. I thought some of you would find the video to reinforce some of the info we have heard.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OD1FZ7293E

[Rocky_Shorz]

http://t.co/lL0VSVQ

is this where the cradle is coming from?

[ponda]

Here's a recent Red Ice Radio interview with Andy Lloyd with his perspective on Elenin and Nibiru etc


Andy Lloyd - Comet Elenin, Nibiru & Planet X

July 25, 2011

Andy Lloyd is an author, researcher, artist and chemist. He is probably best known for his book, The Dark Star, which establishes the facts about Planet X in a clear and understandable way. Andy's work on the subject of Nibiru has become essential reading for anyone who has studied the theories of Zecharia Sitchin. Comets have been a foretelling of doom in history and Earth has always been bombarded by space. So why is there so much anxiety floating around about Comet Elenin? Many are expecting a catastrophic event in 2012 and link this idea to Comet Elenin. What will Comet Elenin bring with it as it approaches nearest to us later this year? In this interview, Andy will talk about Comet Elenin and its possible effects on Earth. He'll also explain why he is skeptical about Elenin being a significant body. We'll also discuss Sitchin's theories about Nibiru and Richard Hoagland's theory about Comet Elenin as an intelligently guided vessel. Andy will tell us why he is looking at November 22, 2011 as an important date.


http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2011/07/RIR-110725-alloyd.mp3

More links and also listen here:

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2011/07/RIR-110725.php


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Here's Richard C Hoagland's perspective on Elenin from Red Ice Radio


Richard C. Hoagland - Comet Elenin as a Time Capsule, Norway Attack & The Messengers of Horus

July 25, 2011

Richard C. Hoagland is a former museum space science Curator, a former NASA Consultant and was science advisor to Walter Cronkite and CBS News. In the early 1970's, Hoagland proposed to Carl Sagan (along with Eric Burgess) the placement of a "message to Mankind" aboard Pioneer 10 -- humanity's "first" unmanned probe of Jupiter. Since then he has been pioneering the pursuit of uncovering the hidden data of our solar system. He is the author of several books, probably most famous for his theories on the face on Mars. His website enterprisemission.com, is updated regularly with analytical research into current anomalies on our planet and way beyond. In this interview, Richard shares his convincing theory about Comet Elenin, its symbolism, purpose and message which is a positive one. He rips apart the fear-porn propaganda about Comet Elenin as this is a key point in time and someone or something is intervening to steer consciousness into another direction. Could it be that Elenin is a time capsule sent by our ancestors containing important information crucial for this time? Then, Hoagland weaves together an intense eye-opener which connects Comet Elenin with September 11, the original masonic message, the bombing in Norway and the secret space program.



http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2011/07/RIR-110726-rhoagland.mp3


More links and also listen here:

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2011/07/RIR-110726.php

[The Truth Is In There]

I am starting to wonder if we are manifesting this timeline by putting so much effort into this subject. Maybe Inelia is right, We create our own timelines. I dont know anymore, I am trying not to let fear enter into my head, but it is a hard not to. There is a lot of evidence....

no worries mate, we're not manifesting planet x by believing in it. besides, few enough people do so anyway. what's going to happen in the next 7 years, the great tribulation, beginning in september 2011 has been predicted in the book of revelation almost 2000 years ago, including the exact date! and incidentally 7 years is also the exact time frame during which earth is under the influence of the magnetic field of planet x (again, starting in september. so prophecy and science go hand in hand here).

as many people have noticed the planetary alignment that is described in rev. 12.1 takes place on sep 29th this year. it doesn't matter if you and others believe in this or not. on this great scale we can't influence anything. the timeline of planet x is fixed and there's nothing anybody here on earth can do about it, otherwise it couldn't have been predicted by countless prophets and indigenous people over the course of centuries/millennia.

i have a request to everyone who's posting in this thread. it would be great if you took the time to read the scribd file to which i posted a link yesterday before posting more theories. it offers so much proof and correlation analysis that it makes other theories pretty much superfluous. if you don't agree after reading it you can still post all those other theories but i guess that won't be necessary anymore.

everything is explained there. for instance, the reason why these earthquakes happen when elenin is aligned with the earth and the sun is because planet x follows elenin, just some AU behind it and what's causing the earthquakes are the alignments with planet x and not elenin. in fact, after reading the file i believe elenin might be the blue kachina since it is tied to planet x through the magnetic field of planet x and thus a direct precursor. and the recent increase in earthquakes and volcanic activity is also because the magentic field of planet x has almost reached us now, and not because of elenin. please read that file guys, it's all there!

[greybeard]

I am starting to wonder if we are manifesting this timeline by putting so much effort into this subject. Maybe Inelia is right, We create our own timelines. I dont know anymore, I am trying not to let fear enter into my head, but it is a hard not to. There is a lot of evidence....

I understand your point of view.
You could say that getting information in understandable chunks helps us to get used to the idea, so that if something big happens there will be a degree of acceptance.
If nothing major happens then there will be a sense of relief.
My generation grew up with the very real threat of nuclear war.
No matter what happens death of the body is a very individual experience--- many will die today--- many will be born today-- life goes on.
When there is a knowing that "I am not the body" fear is non existent or greatly reduced.
Best wishes
Chris

[The Truth Is In There]

below i'm posting again the hopi prophecy regarding the two kachinas. if you read the scribd file and compare the prophecies of the bible and that of the hopi you'll notice that elenin might indeed be the blue kachina because it arrives EXACTLY at the predicted beginning of the endtimes/great tribulation. it could even be a space ship as hoagland says since the accuracy with which it arrives is really uncanny.

source: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_leyenda_hopi12.htm

The following is an excerpt from LAST CRY Native American Prophecies & Tales of the End Times, by Dr. Robert Ghost Wolf, 1994-2004.

It has appeared in numerous articles over the web, and in magazines all over the world.

"The story of the Blue Kachina is a very old story, very old. I have been aware of the story of the Blue Kachina since I was very young. I was told this story by grandfathers who are now between 80 and 108 years of age. Frank Waters also wrote about Saquasohuh, the Blue Star Kachina in The Book of the Hopi, The story came from Grandfather Dan, Oldest Hopi

"It was told to me that first the Blue Kachina would start to be seen at the dances, and would make his appearance known to the children in the plaza during the night dance. This event would tell us that the end times are very near. Then the Blue Star Kachina would physically appear in our heavens which would mean that we were in the end times.

"In the Final days we will look up in our heavens and we will witness the return of the two brothers who helped create this world in the birthing time. Poganghoya is the guardian of our North Pole and his Brother Palongawhoya is the guardian of the South pole. In the final days the Blue Star Katchina will come to be with his nephews and they will return the Earth to its natural rotation which is counter clock wise.

"This fact is evidenced in many petroglyphs that speak of the Zodiac, and within the Mayan and Egyptian pyramids. The rotation of the Earth has been manipulated by not so benevolent Star beings. The twins will be seen in our North Western skies. They will come and visit to see who still remembered the original teachings flying in their Patuwvotas, or flying shields. They will bring many of their star family with them in the final days.

"The return of the Blue Star Katchina who is also known as Nan ga sohu will be the alarm clock that tells us of the new day and new way of life, a new world that is coming. This is where the changes will begin. They will start as fires that burn within us, and we will burn up with desires and conflict if we do not remember the original teachings, and return to the peaceful way of life.

"Not far behind the twins will come the Purifier - The Red Katchina, who will bring the Day of Purification. On this day the Earth, her creatures and all life as we know it will change forever. There will be messengers that will precede this coming of the Purifier. They will leave messages to those on Earth who remember the old ways.

"The messages will be found written in the living stone, through the sacred grains, and even the waters. (Crop Circles have been found in ice) From the Purifier will issue forth a great Red Light. All things will change in their manner of being. Every living thing will be offered the opportunity to change from the largest to the smallest thing.

"Those who return to the ways given to us in the original teachings, and live a natural way of life will not be touched by the coming of the Purifier. They will survive and build the new world. Only in the ancient teachings will the ability to understand the messages be found.

"It is important to understand that these messages will be found upon every living thing, even within our bodies, even within a drop of our blood. All life forms will receive the messages from the twins... those that fly, the plants, even the rabbit. The appearance of the twins begins a period of seven years will be our final opportunity to change our ways. Everything we experience is all a matter of choice.

"Many will appear to have lost their souls in these final days. So intense will the nature of the changes be that those who are weak in spiritual awareness will go insane, for we are nothing without spirit. They will disappear, for they are just hollow vessels for any thing to use. Life will be so bad in the cities that many will choose to leave this plane. Some in whole groups.

"Only those who return to the values of the old ways will be able to find peace of mind. For in the Earth we shall find relief from the madness that will be all around us. It will be a very hard time for women with children for they will be shunned, and many of the children in these times will be unnatural. Some being from the Stars some from past worlds, some will even be created by man in an unnatural manner and will be souless. Many of people in this time will be empty in Spirit they will have Sampacu. No life force in their eyes.

"As we get close to the time of arrival the Purifier there will be those who walk as ghosts through the cities, through canyons they will have constructed in their man made mountains. Those that walk through these places will be very heavy in their walk, it will appear almost painful as they take each step for they will be disconnected from their spirit and the Earth.

"After the arrival of the twins, they will begin to vanish before your eyes like so muck smoke. Others will have great deformities, both in the mind and upon their bodies. There will be those who would walk in the body that are not from this reality, for many of the gateways that once protected us will be opened, there will be much confusion. Confusion between sexes, and children and their elders.

"Life will get very perverted, and there will be little social order, in these times many will ask for the mountains themselves to fall upon them just to end their misery. Still others will appear as if untouched by what is occurring. The ones who remember the original teachings and have reconnected their hearts and spirit. Those who remember who their mother and father is. The Pahana who have left to live in the Mountains and forest.

"When the Purifier comes we will see him first as a small Red Star which will come very close and sit in our heavens watching us. Watching us to see how well we have remembered the sacred teachings.

"This Purifier will show us many miraculous signs in our heavens. In this way we will know Creator is not a dream. Even those who do not feel their connection to spirit will see the face of creator across the sky. Things unseen will be felt very strongly.

"Many things will begin to occur that will not make sense, for reality will be shifting back in and out of the dream state. There will be many doorways to the lower world that will open at this time. Things long forgotten will come back to remind us of our past creations. All living things will want to be present for this day when time ends, and we enter the forever cycle of the Fifth World.

"We will receive many warnings allowing us to change our ways from below the Earth as well as above. Then one morning in a moment. We will awaken to the Red Dawn. The sky will be the color of blood, many things will then begin to happen that right now we are nor sure of their exact nature. For much of reality will not be as it is now.

"There will be many strange beasts upon the Earth in those days, some from the past and some that we have never seen. The nature of mankind will appear strange in these times we walk between worlds and we will house many spirits even within our bodies After a time we will again walk with our brothers from the Stars, and rebuild this Earth. But not until the Purifier has left his mark upon the universe.

"No thing living will go untouched, here or in the heavens. The way through this time it is said is to be found in our hearts, and reuniting with our spiritual self. Getting simple and returning to living with and upon the Earth and in harmony with her creatures. Remembering that we are the caretakers, the fire keepers of the Spirit. Our relatives from the Stars are coming home to see how well we have faired in our journey.

[greybeard]

I really appreciate your mixing of the ancient and the scientific, Truth is In There.
Regards Chris

[RedeZra]

below i'm posting again the hopi prophecy regarding the two kachinas.

The following is an excerpt from LAST CRY Native American Prophecies & Tales of the End Times, by Dr. Robert Ghost Wolf, 1994-2004.



According to the Natives themselves then Robert Ghost Wolf is not Native American but a plastic shaman snakeoil salesman... meaning that 'Ghost Wolf' spins stories to lighten your wallet ; )


http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=51.0

[Mandala]

I am starting to wonder if we are manifesting this timeline by putting so much effort into this subject. Maybe Inelia is right, We create our own timelines. I dont know anymore, I am trying not to let fear enter into my head, but it is a hard not to. There is a lot of evidence....

You know swampfox, I wonder the same thing.

Dan Burisch said we were definitely on a different timeline other than the destructive T2 line. Our military started playing with the yellow book or Orion cube, and opened a new time line back in the late 1940's. (T1)

So what if nothing happens. What if this comet and brown dwarf do minimal damage. He said the one we are on is totally untested. No one has seen the future possibilities on this line since we were told to disassemble the device and never use it again.

On the original T2, that line was known as disastrous, with researchers and some senate members not being able to see anything after 2012. They hit a wall after seeing Washington, DC under brackish water right after 2012.

For what it is worth, food for thought and discussion, here is a synopsis from the Camelot library.

http://projectcamelot.org/t1v83.html

Meeting with Dan Burisch on 10 December, 2007

Dan had been incommunicado and unavailable during most of the latter half of 2007, during which time he had been called back 'inside' to participate in a project of considerable National Security importance (see this page for Marci McDowell's public statement about Dan's 'sabbatical'). After he was released from his duties, we met with him for several hours... and were told an amazing story.

We have kept this fully confidential (for reasons which will become obvious as you read on). The information contained intelligence data about probable future events which was gained through a high-tech investigation into possible and probable future timelines. The device used was known as the Orion Cube. [Click on the image to enlarge.]

The purpose of the project was to establish whether or not the danger from Timeline 2 - in which the 2012 pole shift was set to occur, according to information communicated from time traveling future humans - had been averted.

Those familiar with Dan's testimony in our previous interviews (and also summarized here) will know that it was learned from the future humans that it was Stargate and Looking Glass technology that had precipitated the catastrophe by amplifying the energetic effects from micro-wormholes encountered as the Earth journeyed through a particular region of space (which, on this timeline in which you are reading this page, we are approaching now).

The Looking Glasses and Stargates have now been decommissioned or destroyed. In theory, all was well - but this had to be checked.

The project had two outcomes:

1) It was confirmed that the 2012 catastrophe had been averted.

2) Given (1) above - i.e. that that we were now on Timeline 1, not the disastrous Timeline 2 - the rest of the project was devoted to recovering data about probable events on this new, untraveled timeline. The most probable sequence of events, among a large number of potential variants, was evaluated to be variant 83.

Timeline 1, variant 83

T1v83, as it's known, did not contain good news for you and us, the citizens of the world. For this reason we did not publicize any of the information, assuming that it was highly classified. Because - and this is important - this bad-news variant now seems to be changing, we have sought permission from Dan to publish what we can of this - because it offers a message of hope and understanding. To Dan's enormous credit, he has agreed.

Here are the details: first the information that was retrieved, and second how it has changed.

What was seen was that Hillary Clinton - most interestingly, with John Kerry as her Vice President - would win the White House in November 2008. The Bush Administration, however, would before then launch a nuclear strike against Iran, the escalating repercussions of which would cross over into the new administration and also precipitate a major economic collapse.

Geopolitical events thereafter would continue to deteriorate with a strike by Pakistan against India, an attack by China against India, and finally a nuclear exchange between the US, Russia and China. By then it would be 2010, so these events do not all occur at once.

What follows is then what is new. Mike McConnell, the Director of National Intelligence and old MJ-1 - and who is a good man (in Dan's words: Majestic's moral compass) - was so incensed at the current administration's glee at the prospect of Iran attack that he instructed his intelligence apparatus to publish the National Intelligence Estimate, in which it was stated that Iran presented no nuclear threat. This was the first major change in variant 83.

Shortly after that, Benazir Bhutto herself was assassinated. Benazir was party to the findings of the 2007 project and was fully briefed about variant 83. Her personal mission was to avert the Pakistani nuclear strike, and in variant 83 it had been seen that she was very politically active - although unsuccessful.

We do not know this as fact, but we feel that readers may draw their own conclusions about why she might have been 'eliminated' shortly after the publication of the NIE. It must be remembered that there are many factions and individuals behind the scenes that WANT these foreseen events to transpire.

Most significantly, since her death there is now a coalition government in Pakistan which in itself may be sufficient to avert the strike against India. This is another departure from variant 83.

In our long conversation, Marci McDowell likened the publication of the NIE to nudging an aimed rifle barrel so that the metaphorical bullet (i.e. the predicted outcome) would instead hit another target. Readers will have noticed that there have been political attempts in certain quarters (not only within the US!) to straighten the rifle barrel again. But this does not appear to have worked... so far.

This might be premature at the time of writing (10 April 2008), but it does look as if Barack Obama - not Hillary Clinton - may be the next President. If so, this further departure from variant 83 may be the most significant of all.

We all co-create our world

So this is a message of hope and informed optimism. It seems that the bad-news variant 83 has already been broken. What new variant we may now be on, we do not know - and possibly no-one does.

But here's what's critical to remember, always: we are not just passengers in a world where the events are determined by others, while we just helplessly and passively watch the outcomes as so much TV. We are all involved in the process, and - as we have remarked many times - are all responsible for co-creating our future.

We all vote on the world we will experience, whether consciously aware of this or not. It is in our view critically important that people are informed about the games being played, the hidden agendas, and what is at stake. This is the entire mission of Project Camelot.

Now we have published this, none of us, duly informed, can be unconscious any more. So here is our request of you, personally: Do NOT permit these foreseen events to take place.

[norman]

You can download Richard Hoagland's phone interview with C2C about Elenin etc from this page here:

http://exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/content/richard-hoagland-coast-coast-am-and-real-story-elenin

[ghostrider]

Bob Dean spoke about nibiru, yes they found it, and it scares the hell out of nasa, it depends on earth being on the same side of the sun as nibiru. if that happens we get the hell smacked out of us. ( project camelot interview) Mr Dean spoke alot about this subject, HE is one person I trust more than most. Bob Dean is a man of honor.

[Calz]

Bob Dean spoke about nibiru, yes they found it, and it scares the hell out of nasa, it depends on earth being on the same side of the sun as nibiru. if that happens we get the hell smacked out of us. ( project camelot interview) Mr Dean spoke alot about this subject, HE is one person I trust more than most. Bob Dean is a man of honor.

He also put the timetable around 2016-7 did he not?

[The Truth Is In There]

below i'm posting again the hopi prophecy regarding the two kachinas.

The following is an excerpt from LAST CRY Native American Prophecies & Tales of the End Times, by Dr. Robert Ghost Wolf, 1994-2004.



According to the Natives themselves then Robert Ghost Wolf is not Native American but a plastic shaman snakeoil salesman... meaning that 'Ghost Wolf' spins stories to lighten your wallet ; )


http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=51.0

he collected prophecies but didn't write them. apart from that it doesn't matter either way because it won't make scientific facts or bible and other prophecy invalid.

anyway, i see most people still live in denial and try to find excuses so they don't have to face the facts. the theory with the two timelines where in one we avoid nibiru and in the other we don't is the most laughable of all. that thing cannot be avoided. the diameter of its outer magnetic field is 16 AU and 41 times the strength of jupiter. it tilted saturn 90° in december last year, caused cracks and sinkholes on its moons (same we see beginning on earth now, and that's just the magnetic bands, not even the full strength of the outer field) and it follows approx. 8 AU behind elenin which means its outer magnetic field reaches earth in early september (fortunately for us with the sun as shield inbetween).

honestly, it's impossible to disprove the logic and the conclusions drawn in that file, it's all based on close observation and calculations. the only guesswork is the time it takes planet x to reach earth because it depends on its acceleration as it comes closer to the sun. everything else has been proven by facts.

i rest my case. believe what you want.

[araucaria]

I am starting to wonder if we are manifesting this timeline by putting so much effort into this subject. Maybe Inelia is right, We create our own timelines. I dont know anymore, I am trying not to let fear enter into my head, but it is a hard not to. There is a lot of evidence....

I’m just finishing John Lash’s ‘Not in His Image : Gnostic vision, sacred ecology, and the future of belief’ in which he states that Sophia’s (Gaia’s) incarnation as the Earth was originally intended as a three-body system with the Moon and the Sun.

Unexpectedly however, Archons came into being (led by the ‘Demiurge’) – ‘the inorganic cyborg-like species that inhabits the solar system exclusive of the earth’ and get into our brains. According to Lash, the Archons created the rest of the solar system apart from Sun Earth and Moon. They are therefore the source of anything untoward threatening this triad.

Whatever is actually going on doesn’t really matter. There are many possible scenarios here. We just need to carry on doing whatever we are doing to help this beautiful planet, which has two powerful allies in the Sun and Moon. For me this means staying grounded. In one sense, all this off-planet stuff including ET is an irrelevance or even a distraction. Let’s just stay focused on the job at hand, which is different for each of us.

If the job at hand is in the basement, it is a mistake to be worrying about goings-on in the attic.
Too many cooks spoil the broth as they say.

[Calz]

PS you link does not work for me but that might be because I use Ubuntu Linux

Chris

I am having some trouble too but I think I found a pdf of the same thing???

Can anyone else confirm?

http://thetruthbehindthescenes.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/nibiru-facts-of-truth1.pdf

[ponda]

I had a quick look and it appears to be the same one Calz.Good find

[greybeard]

PS you link does not work for me but that might be because I use Ubuntu Linux

Chris

I am having some trouble too but I think I found a pdf of the same thing???

Can anyone else confirm?

http://thetruthbehindthescenes.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/nibiru-facts-of-truth1.pdf

Yes Claz thats the same, I joined scribd.com then it downloaded.
The Truth is Within put a lot of work into it.
I hope he is not entirely correct but it is in line with part of what David Sereda says regarding a massive band of electro magnetism heading our way.
David Sereda has a positive out come regarding possible change of DNA and consciousness.
We dont have long to wait.
As said I really appreciate the depth study and information that "The Truth is Within" has brought to the subject.

Chris

ps the interviews is in quite a few parts this is only the first so best to follow on in u tube.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNgUdg2NAmc

[Hervé]

I am having some trouble too but I think I found a pdf of the same thing???

Can anyone else confirm?

http://thetruthbehindthescenes.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/nibiru-facts-of-truth1.pdf

Yep!

That's the very one!

[Calz]

Amazing!

I had seen the images of the massive storm on Saturn but today was the first I heard of Saturn's 90% tilt.

Yipes.

So much info is coming out so quickly it's getting hard to keep up with.

Thanks to Truth for pounding the table on this (and all other contributors as well).

[ponda]

Amazing!

I had seen the images of the massive storm on Saturn but today was the first I heard of Saturn's 90% tilt.

Yipes.

So much info is coming out so quickly it's getting hard to keep up with.

Thanks to Truth for pounding the table on this (and all other contributors as well).


Yes that tilting of Saturn is interesting.I'm wondering if amateur astronomers can get a decent view of Saturn and if they can then shouldn't it be all over the net.I just had a quick search and couldn't find any confirmation of it.I'll keep looking.

cheers

[The Truth Is In There]

to avoid misunderstandings here i just wanted to add that that file is not mine. i just found it so it wasn't really much work from my side :o
unfortunately the author isn't mentioned but judging from info in the text it seems to be a very smart amateur fellow from the US.

[jsb_swampfox]

I am starting to wonder if we are manifesting this timeline by putting so much effort into this subject. Maybe Inelia is right, We create our own timelines. I dont know anymore, I am trying not to let fear enter into my head, but it is a hard not to. There is a lot of evidence....

You know swampfox, I wonder the same thing.

Dan Burisch said we were definitely on a different timeline other than the destructive T2 line. Our military started playing with the yellow book or Orion cube, and opened a new time line back in the late 1940's. (T1)

So what if nothing happens. What if this comet and brown dwarf do minimal damage. He said the one we are on is totally untested. No one has seen the future possibilities on this line since we were told to disassemble the device and never use it again.

On the original T2, that line was known as disastrous, with researchers and some senate members not being able to see anything after 2012. They hit a wall after seeing Washington, DC under brackish water right after 2012.

For what it is worth, food for thought and discussion, here is a synopsis from the Camelot library.

http://projectcamelot.org/t1v83.html

Meeting with Dan Burisch on 10 December, 2007

Dan had been incommunicado and unavailable during most of the latter half of 2007, during which time he had been called back 'inside' to participate in a project of considerable National Security importance (see this page for Marci McDowell's public statement about Dan's 'sabbatical'). After he was released from his duties, we met with him for several hours... and were told an amazing story.

We have kept this fully confidential (for reasons which will become obvious as you read on). The information contained intelligence data about probable future events which was gained through a high-tech investigation into possible and probable future timelines. The device used was known as the Orion Cube. [Click on the image to enlarge.]

The purpose of the project was to establish whether or not the danger from Timeline 2 - in which the 2012 pole shift was set to occur, according to information communicated from time traveling future humans - had been averted.

Those familiar with Dan's testimony in our previous interviews (and also summarized here) will know that it was learned from the future humans that it was Stargate and Looking Glass technology that had precipitated the catastrophe by amplifying the energetic effects from micro-wormholes encountered as the Earth journeyed through a particular region of space (which, on this timeline in which you are reading this page, we are approaching now).

The Looking Glasses and Stargates have now been decommissioned or destroyed. In theory, all was well - but this had to be checked.

The project had two outcomes:

1) It was confirmed that the 2012 catastrophe had been averted.

2) Given (1) above - i.e. that that we were now on Timeline 1, not the disastrous Timeline 2 - the rest of the project was devoted to recovering data about probable events on this new, untraveled timeline. The most probable sequence of events, among a large number of potential variants, was evaluated to be variant 83.

Timeline 1, variant 83

T1v83, as it's known, did not contain good news for you and us, the citizens of the world. For this reason we did not publicize any of the information, assuming that it was highly classified. Because - and this is important - this bad-news variant now seems to be changing, we have sought permission from Dan to publish what we can of this - because it offers a message of hope and understanding. To Dan's enormous credit, he has agreed.

Here are the details: first the information that was retrieved, and second how it has changed.

What was seen was that Hillary Clinton - most interestingly, with John Kerry as her Vice President - would win the White House in November 2008. The Bush Administration, however, would before then launch a nuclear strike against Iran, the escalating repercussions of which would cross over into the new administration and also precipitate a major economic collapse.

Geopolitical events thereafter would continue to deteriorate with a strike by Pakistan against India, an attack by China against India, and finally a nuclear exchange between the US, Russia and China. By then it would be 2010, so these events do not all occur at once.

What follows is then what is new. Mike McConnell, the Director of National Intelligence and old MJ-1 - and who is a good man (in Dan's words: Majestic's moral compass) - was so incensed at the current administration's glee at the prospect of Iran attack that he instructed his intelligence apparatus to publish the National Intelligence Estimate, in which it was stated that Iran presented no nuclear threat. This was the first major change in variant 83.

Shortly after that, Benazir Bhutto herself was assassinated. Benazir was party to the findings of the 2007 project and was fully briefed about variant 83. Her personal mission was to avert the Pakistani nuclear strike, and in variant 83 it had been seen that she was very politically active - although unsuccessful.

We do not know this as fact, but we feel that readers may draw their own conclusions about why she might have been 'eliminated' shortly after the publication of the NIE. It must be remembered that there are many factions and individuals behind the scenes that WANT these foreseen events to transpire.

Most significantly, since her death there is now a coalition government in Pakistan which in itself may be sufficient to avert the strike against India. This is another departure from variant 83.

In our long conversation, Marci McDowell likened the publication of the NIE to nudging an aimed rifle barrel so that the metaphorical bullet (i.e. the predicted outcome) would instead hit another target. Readers will have noticed that there have been political attempts in certain quarters (not only within the US!) to straighten the rifle barrel again. But this does not appear to have worked... so far.

This might be premature at the time of writing (10 April 2008), but it does look as if Barack Obama - not Hillary Clinton - may be the next President. If so, this further departure from variant 83 may be the most significant of all.

We all co-create our world

So this is a message of hope and informed optimism. It seems that the bad-news variant 83 has already been broken. What new variant we may now be on, we do not know - and possibly no-one does.

But here's what's critical to remember, always: we are not just passengers in a world where the events are determined by others, while we just helplessly and passively watch the outcomes as so much TV. We are all involved in the process, and - as we have remarked many times - are all responsible for co-creating our future.

We all vote on the world we will experience, whether consciously aware of this or not. It is in our view critically important that people are informed about the games being played, the hidden agendas, and what is at stake. This is the entire mission of Project Camelot.

Now we have published this, none of us, duly informed, can be unconscious any more. So here is our request of you, personally: Do NOT permit these foreseen events to take place.


Thanks Mandala, that is very interesting, I hope we have adverted that timeline. There is just something in my gut that is a bit uneasy with this comet,planet x, niburu......thing. It is very hard to discern all the info that is out there. This pole shift thing scares me, more so because of where I live. Thanks for your input :)

[SEAM]

Here is what Leonid has to say about HIS comet (sorta refutes a lot of this, incl. Hoagland) http://spaceobs.org/en/asteroids-comets/faq/

THIS JUST IN: SpaceObs.org was disabled by Leonid Elenin on Friday, July 29, 2011 at 4:10am."We have determined that based on the excessive resource utilization your account is not a good fit for a VPS account since not only your VPS is crashing due to the high resource usage but you are also impacting the actual hardware node on which the VPS is created. Unfortunately due to the severe nature of the problem your web service access has been disabled."

Sorry, but now server was disabled. I can't pay for dedicate server..

Could you explain to us how did you discover the comet?

The discovery of comet is result of huge work. Survey observations on ISON-NM observatory was started on July 13 2010. Each clear night I observe tens of square degrees of starry sky and measure several thousand asteroids, which caught in the field of view of our 18″ telescope. For speed up the images processing, I use our software CLT. Of course discovery of comet is a fortuity, but in this case it’s a “appropriate” fortuity.

Edgar luis Gomez

Does exist any danger for the Earth with the comet?

No, my comet will pass at distance 34 400 000 km from the Earth. For example, minimal distance to another planet of Solar System – Venus is 38 000 000 km. This distance is completely safe for us. Earth may pass through the comet tail, but this event is not dangerous also. In 1910 Earth passed through the Halley’s comet tail and nothing happened.

Edgar luis Gomez

What is the diameter of the core of your Comet?

I can’t exactly answer on this question, I estimate size as 3-4 kilometers in diameter. We can determine size of nucleus by photometry measurements of comet nucleus. But in our case comet is active and they was active when I discovered it. For the rough size estimate I used several images of my comet taken by 2-m Faulkes Telescope North. I tried to exclude influence of coma but this measurements still approximate. If Arecibo will observe my comet, we can determine nucleus size with high accuracy.

Alexander Firsov

Can you explain the relationship of the comet with the planet Nibiru? Or is it a myth?

This topic is now being widely discussed in the West; the virus has not yet gotten to us. Honestly, I do not fully grasp the topic of Nibiru, I have only general isolated information. As I understand it, the close approach of Nibiru to the Earth is supposed to happen in December 2012. My comet will pass by the Earth in October 2011. This disconnect doesn’t phase the Nibiru proponents, and they have rewritten the chronology. In December 2012 the comet will already be far from the Earth, beyond the orbit of Jupiter! Furthermore, Nibiru is a rather massive body; it is a planet. The diameter of the core of the comet is only several kilometers, which in no way approaches that of a planet, to say nothing of the fact that if Nibiru were the size of Jupiter, it would have been visible to the UNAIDED eye LONG AGO. But no one has seen it. Every massive body leaves behind it a “gravitational tail”. It influences other bodies. Celestial mechanics has been understood for a long time, and now we have been able achieve accuracy as never before. We send spacecraft to the edge of the Solar System, where, after many years, the spacecraft reach their goal! Thus traveled the Pioneers and the Voyagers. Now New Horizons also travels there. If Nibiru were nearby, we would have discovered it by its gravitational effect (by the way, that’s how, a tiny pinpoint, Neptune was discovered in the middle of the 19th century!). I continue, my comet is only a comet which will pass near the Earth. It has happened in the past; it will happen in the future. I suggest we simply enjoy the coming spectacle that is totally harmless to the Earth. To look at the beauty of the Cosmos around us…

Rob Weller

Let me know if this is a mistake, or is your comet going to make what appears to be a 180 degree turn on May 30.

Yes, it does appear to make a sharp turn. It’s a trick of perspective. Remember that the actual path of the comet is in three dimensions around the Sun and you are looking at its movement from the Earth, which also moves around the Sun.
Like all Solar System objects, the comet does move on a curve (a hyperbola), but it is more gradual than that. It looks sharper because we are seeing it “from the side”. To understand how perspective distorts the view, you can use a 3D model of the Solar System such as the Java-based orbital diagram in the JPL Small-Body Database Browser:
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.c…
Turn off all orbits except the comet’s, set “Center:” to Earth and rotate and zoom the view. You’ll see how the apparent path changes when seen from different angles.

[Hervé]

[...]
"The return of the Blue Star Katchina... ".
[...]

The trouble with assigning Elenin to the "Blue Kachina" is that, according to the last JPL corrections, the Elenin period is 1 million years.

That is, the last time Elenin was around our solar system was 1 Million years ago. And I am not sure the Hopi tradition goes that far back?

[skyeyes]

I came across this interview with Richard Hoagland about Elenin.. Is it actually a time capsule with the codes for survival sent into space by a previous civilization 13,000 years ago? Definitely worth a listen:

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2011/07/RIR-110726.php

[nearing]

to avoid misunderstandings here i just wanted to add that that file is not mine. i just found it so it wasn't really much work from my side :o
unfortunately the author isn't mentioned but judging from info in the text it seems to be a very smart amateur fellow from the US.

I'd love to read it but I cannot open it on my Mac nor on a Windows machine. Is it possible to copy/paste the good stuff here?

[Hervé]

Now let's dispel some of the spells the gloom & doom propagandists are casting all over the place.

The most accurate description of that mysterious (there it is that propaganda... "mysterious") body is that it is cold, hence not radiating much energy, and does not reflect light as a planet does (see the articles referenced in that PDF). Also, it does not perceptibly move as a planet or a comet would.

Hence:

A comet? NIET!


A planet? NIET!

So, why call it "Planet X," "Tyche," etc?


Now... Sitchin and Nibiru:

To start with, Sitchin works is only found under the "Fiction" section of a library.


Then this:

An interesting view which largely differs from the [now] commonly held beliefs about Sumer and the Sumerians, from Jonathan Gray:




SUMERIAN ASTRONOMY
A key element of Sumero-Mesopotamian religion was a concern with heavenly bodies that could be observed with the naked eye - especially the sun, moon, and Venus, due to their ease of visibility.

We observed earlier that the Sumerian culture was a paradox. On the one hand, the Sumerians, had an advanced knowledge of astronomy, geography, medicine and virtually all the sciences.

On the other hand, they were an entirely practical people, with no urge to search for truth for its own sake. They sought for no underlying principles, and undertook no experiments for verification. (Samuel M. Kramer, From the Tablets of Sumer. Indian Hills: Falcon’s Wing Press, 1956, pp. xviii, 6, 32, 58, 59)

For this reason, their astronomy dealt only with the visible – that which might have a practical effect on their everyday life.

ASTRONOMY WAS RELIGIOUS
And they linked astronomy to their religion.

That is why Sumero-Mesopotamian religion had a key concern with heavenly bodies that could be observed with the naked eye - especially the Sun, Moon, and Venus, due to their ease of visibility.
(Please note, this has a direct bearing on what we discovered in the previous chapter concerning Nibiru. The Sumerian documents say that Nibiru is visible EVERY YEAR.)

It is important to realize that each visible heavenly body was artistically symbolized - and stood for a deity.



Where did Sitchin find the 3600 years cycle for Nibiru? No one knows! It's certainly not written on any Sumerian tablets. Also, according to one of Bill Ryan's friend/witness, Sitchin wrote his books via automatic writings. Hence the "Fiction" category for his books.



So, Nibiru? NIET!

In my view, keeping calling that identified body as "Nibiru" is a not so subtle way of perpetuating the propaganda.

Then, the author assumes that this electromagnetic generator follows in the wake of Elenin and will come to play pool/billiard with the planets of our solar system...

Well, I have trouble with that assumption simply because of the earlier known and published descriptions of said new pool-shark in town:


"Cold," not perceptibly "moving," but best candidate to explain the strange motions along the trajectories of our solar system outermost planets.

Why? Because closest massive object to our solar system.

To summarize: "Cold," imperceptible motions, closest-by massive object susceptible to provide explanations for the behavior of our border planets.

Hmmm... a "brown dwarf" fits the bill... but so close? Well, then, our solar system is a "Binary star system."


Wow!

That would explain the "Sheer Edge" of our sun's Oort cloud, wouldn't it?

... and... and... the precession of the Equinoxes as well, wouldn't it?

... and... and... all these Earth's catastrophes via meteor bombardments...

... and ... and... Velikovsky's stuff as well as McCanney's or those Thunderstorms of the Gods' stuff... awe inspiring, indeed...



A mini solar system is associated with a brown dwarf star which is the companion to our Sun in its journey around the galaxy. Both constitute our BINARY solar system. As they dance around each other they don't penetrate into each other's planetary system but "polish" each other's Oort cloud. That's the assumption from our Oort cloud having a "sheer edge" on its outside (clean shaven outside, the inside is a lot fuzzier).




https://fwtinw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p-GVcbSbWldyGBQSPHMm5Gu2c_gQooLDnrX1_hMZrD_nh6r2dp8JqH4VVldBJlwtGscUOsel3d2lyJBIH_FTDPsGJs5eNRHVz/Binary-01.gif?psid=1




Look at this animation to get a visual of how each partner of the binary system speed up or slow down in their orbit around the system's center of gravity:


http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.o...n/theory.shtml (http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.org/bri/research/introduction/theory.shtml)



As it is known that the Oort cloud has its outside edge nicely "polished" (i.e. the "Sheer Edge"), here is their animation on how that could occur with a binary system:


http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.o...heeredge.shtml (http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.org/bri/research/evidence/sheeredge.shtml)





In short, our solar system (binary stars plus their respective planets) are dancing around the galactic center describing "travelling ovals."



... therefore:

Never the twain shall meet


Besides the electromagnetic disturbances, the catatrophes that could occur would be from our twin stars shaving each other's Oort clouds:









https://fwtinw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pbOeTgzrNa9sADbYgZAy3z11fT69WySfDNJf42APzQ18uIC94BUr-vR5E2cZisY3m5R-8hhCXNzszwOKKaGdpYuA_4yCwt9F0/Sheer%20edge-02.gif?psid=1



That's the real danger: Bowling alley fiesta!

FYI: Earth quakes -- for energy conservation, storage capacity and release reasons -- cannot go much higher than 10 on the Richter scale.

However, a fair size asteroid hitting Earth could send the ensuing EQ's magnitude off the charts.

[RedeZra]

anyway, i see most people still live in denial and try to find excuses so they don't have to face the facts.

that thing cannot be avoided. the diameter of its outer magnetic field is 16 AU and 41 times the strength of jupiter. it tilted saturn 90° in december last year, caused cracks and sinkholes on its moons (same we see beginning on earth now, and that's just the magnetic bands, not even the full strength of the outer field) and it follows approx. 8 AU behind elenin which means its outer magnetic field reaches earth in early september (fortunately for us with the sun as shield inbetween).



now that sounds serious

what do you suggest we do ?


focus on the fear til we die or live and enjoy life one day at a time


if I'm wrong - which I very seldom are ; ) - then at least we won't be around for you to tell me 'I told you so'... and if I'm right - in that we will still be around - then I'll take this oppurtunity to say 'I told you so'

[Charlie Pecos]

Howdy folks,

My wife just made me aware of this and now I'm telling you. This guy's video starts off slow and it takes him a while to get to the point, but when he does you will see what he claims to be pictures of several planetary bodies around the sun, (or perhaps just lens flare.) You decide.

I personally make no claims as to the validity of said pictures, I only present the information to be considered in the interest of expanding awareness. :)

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F4HHTH1lrD8&feature=youtu.be

[giovonni]

Thanks Charlie Pecos

i have had the pleasure of meeting and talking with this young man several times at the eceti ranch, note he is a loving and caring human being.

his youtube channel
http://www.youtube.com/user/blueskyg1

[Charlie Pecos]

Three photos taken in Kansas on July 16, 2011 here: http://www.nibiruancouncil.com/html/elenin_northwind.html

[Operator]

Looks like sun dogs to me ...

I live in the Caribbean ... we've chemtrails too (I think) but only very thin and absolutely not always.
So we've good opportunities to see the sun. I look at the sun through a CD. There's absolutely nothing to see
besides the sun. I also do not understand why people keep looking for other planets etc. next to the sun.

The best way to see planets is 1 .. 2 hours before sunrise. Then it is still dark and you can clearly see the other
planets in our solar system. The only things that surprises me is that their visibility is becoming better and better
while time progresses. So either something in our entire solar system is changing or something else like the
composition of our atmosphere is getting thinner or so.

[Hervé]

Looks like sun dogs to me ...



Looks like that to me too... lens flares nicely aligned to the source of light depending where that source is with respect to the lens' center.



The only things that surprises me is that their visibility is becoming better and better
while time progresses. So either something in our entire solar system is changing or something else like the
composition of our atmosphere is getting thinner or so.

Thermosphere collapsing... noctiluscent clouds farther and farther south... beautiful comet spirals/ jellifish robe of light...

Something's definitely changing with our atmosphere.

[J0urney]

My skies are usually clear all the time and I don't see any of this. If they are that close shouldn't you be able to see them all the time? I'm not saying they aren't there, it's just that I look everyday and never see a thing.

[Chuck]

Thanks Charlie Pecos,

What bothers me is that the pictures seem to be taken approximately same time of the day and that the extra light point ranges from 9 o'clock position to 2 o'clock. (even 5 o'clock! he might have rotated the camera) With most being 11 o'clock or 1 o'clock position. It has flare written all over it. Would like to see a time stamp on the pictures.

[Lord Sidious]

Do some mathmatics on this for a second.
IF those spots were indeed a planetary body, how big would they be?
How much mass would they have?
What affect would that have on the solar system right now?
Answer those and you will eliminate the possible and get to the probable.

[ROMANWKT]

Sorry you guys, this is nothing but a lens flare. watch the flare line up always with the planet and watch the back of the sun also line up with flare, this is the problem when directly photographing the sun, the the back plate screen if the electronic camera is projected forward and produces a secondary image of the sun looking like an extra planet.

these problems had been shown before and created on purpose to prove the point, its just a reflection of the cameras back-plate screen.

regards
roman

[Flasky]

.....How are these pictures real? I don't understand, they don't look real to me.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Interesting Film coming our way!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzD0U841LRM&feature=player_embedded

viking

[The Truth Is In There]

[...]
"The return of the Blue Star Katchina... ".
[...]

The trouble with assigning Elenin to the "Blue Kachina" is that, according to the last JPL corrections, the Elenin period is 1 million years.

That is, the last time Elenin was around our solar system was 1 Million years ago. And I am not sure the Hopi tradition goes that far back?

sorry i fail to see your point. the prophecy refers to the blue kachina coming now, it doesn't matter what orbit is has. besides, prophets access the "no time", the reality, if you will, since time is an illusion. so it doesn't matter if they look 100 years into the "past" or "future" or a billion years. everything happens at the same moment - all probabilities, all timelines - it's just different frequencies. if you read the hopi prohpecy about the kachinas you'll notice that it fits what we know about elenin. elenin is tied to planet x by the latter's magnetic field, it comes at the right time and it's large enough to be seen from earth so it's the very comet that fits the bill as the direct precursor.

[The Truth Is In There]

anyway, i see most people still live in denial and try to find excuses so they don't have to face the facts.

that thing cannot be avoided. the diameter of its outer magnetic field is 16 AU and 41 times the strength of jupiter. it tilted saturn 90° in december last year, caused cracks and sinkholes on its moons (same we see beginning on earth now, and that's just the magnetic bands, not even the full strength of the outer field) and it follows approx. 8 AU behind elenin which means its outer magnetic field reaches earth in early september (fortunately for us with the sun as shield inbetween).



now that sounds serious

what do you suggest we do ?


focus on the fear til we die or live and enjoy life one day at a time


if I'm wrong - which I very seldom are ; ) - then at least we won't be around for you to tell me 'I told you so'... and if I'm right - in that we will still be around - then I'll take this oppurtunity to say 'I told you so'

i don't hand out recommendations or make choices for people. i just try to assemble facts and get a good view of what's ahead of us. if people want to focus on fear or whatever or continue to live in denial that's one and the same to me because everyone has to make his/her own decisions.

we, or rather our higher selves, made decisions before we came here, i'm just following my own inner guidance and so far it das never lead me astray. i'm in the right place, at the right time, and i have no fear whatsoever of what's ahead of us. i know it won't be easy but i see it as a challenge and i'm confident that i'll master it just like everything before.

when you have reached the point where you completely trust in your(higher)self and the universe there won't be fear anymore, just acceptance.

[greybeard]

My opinion for what it is worth-- being just an opinion --is!!!!
There is a lot of circumstantial evidence ie earth changes.
There is historical--- earth was having earth quakes etc all long before there were humans here. (cyclic events?)
Major floods we had.

There are the prophesies coming from many indigenous tribes throughout the world all saying roughly the same thing and many having similar to the spiral seen in the sky on their cave walls and else where.
There is some scientific evidence regarding changes on other planets in the milky way.
Underground cities have been built --- for what/why is not clear.

Spiritual teachers, that I trust, say that we are about to have a change in perception, then we will see the world entirely differently.
One I trust particularly said that Armageddon will be fought in the lower astral not here.
He also said that Revelations in the Bible was channeled from the lower astral and there fore not relevant, not valid for this world.

We have seen many events predicted on forums none that I recall have actually happened.
This one may be different as events related to climate change in our universe are happening.
What is causing this is still open to debate.
"We" are safe trusting in God no matter what happens--- it is always a good time to make personal spiritual progress.

Chris

[Hervé]

[...]
"The return of the Blue Star Katchina... ".
[...]

The trouble with assigning Elenin to the "Blue Kachina" is that, according to the last JPL corrections, the Elenin period is 1 million years.

That is, the last time Elenin was around our solar system was 1 Million years ago. And I am not sure the Hopi tradition goes that far back?

sorry i fail to see your point.

That may be quite a problem because the wording specifies a "RETURN." That directly implies it has been around in the past and observed, The 1 million years period of Elenin implies that, that comet was last seen around here about 1 million years ago. I believe the Hopi who handed down the tradition were first good observers.

Whether "no time" or not, "return" is mentioned about something that was observed in 3D on Earth; not in whatever time line they can go into in an altered state of consciousness.

That's to mean simply that the Blue Kachina is not Elenin. Nice try though.

[InTheBackground]

After a little bit of googling:

There is a post on Godlike Productions that says the report/file relates back to Astrolpatriot. ( http://204.74.214.194/forum1/message1574871/pg29 ) It states that the Cru4t person being referenced is supposedly Dr. Byron Glen from Missouri who has since separated himself from being connected with Astrolpatriot and Terral Croft. On one of the pages of the report it says "comparison's were done by Dr. Glenn's son, Ghaffar, using Starry Night."

Cru4t did, however, phone into a radio show about something he saw and photographed back in May. You can listen to that here on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0enHKCET1s

The plot thickens, always.

[Meesh]

I've read that the Blue Star Kachina may have been Comet Holmes (October 2007). Controversial though.
http://2012rising.com/article/was-comet-holmes-the-hopi-blue-star

[RMorgan]

Come on...It´s obviously a lens flair. If you look at the third picture, it even shows up bellow the clouds...

Like Lord Sidious said, if a huge celestial body like that ,was that close to earth and the sun, it would be an absolute chaos right now.

I´m really sad that some people can be so naive and really believe these pictures...

[Operator]

I´m really sad that some people can be so naive and really believe these pictures...

Yes, it is surprising that we still look for something near the sun ... AND ... even after Carol Rosin told us there would be an asteroids
psy ops scare we still fall for it.

The only problem we have is that we have to distinguish real from fantasy ... so far I haven't seen much that even comes close to real.

[RedeZra]

i just try to assemble facts and get a good view of what's ahead of us.


fact is that Saturn has not tilted 35 degrees nor 90 degrees ; )

it is still storm spinning around in a perfect predictable pattern in harmony with the Stellarium software



http://stargazerslounge.com/attachments/observing-planetary/60491d1307606016-saturn-june-07-2011-some-better-seeing-saturn-c14-11-06-06-22-00-26-240s-f-a6-alrg-ps2-gam-psmed_5.jpg



besides because of field rotation (http://www.allaboutastro.com/Articlepages/fieldrotation.html) it will seem that the tilt even changes from one hour til the next which of course it doesn't

http://www.flickr.com/photos/vontom/5609239435/in/photostream/

[Calz]

Was still hoping to get confirmation regarding Saturn.

Could the photos themselves have been rotated???

That would still not account for the Saturn moon images ... nor the storm.

[RedeZra]

Was still hoping to get confirmation regarding Saturn.

Could the photos themselves have been rotated???

That would still not account for the Saturn moon images ... nor the storm.


Saturn unlike Earth seems to store up to super storms and then unleash it lasting several months

[Calz]

Was still hoping to get confirmation regarding Saturn.

Could the photos themselves have been rotated???

That would still not account for the Saturn moon images ... nor the storm.


Saturn unlike Earth seems to store up to super storms and then unleash it lasting several months

Yes but isn't this one much larger in scope than most?

[Calz]

Here's Richard C Hoagland's perspective on Elenin from Red Ice Radio


Richard C. Hoagland - Comet Elenin as a Time Capsule, Norway Attack & The Messengers of Horus

July 25, 2011

Richard C. Hoagland is a former museum space science Curator, a former NASA Consultant and was science advisor to Walter Cronkite and CBS News. In the early 1970's, Hoagland proposed to Carl Sagan (along with Eric Burgess) the placement of a "message to Mankind" aboard Pioneer 10 -- humanity's "first" unmanned probe of Jupiter. Since then he has been pioneering the pursuit of uncovering the hidden data of our solar system. He is the author of several books, probably most famous for his theories on the face on Mars. His website enterprisemission.com, is updated regularly with analytical research into current anomalies on our planet and way beyond. In this interview, Richard shares his convincing theory about Comet Elenin, its symbolism, purpose and message which is a positive one. He rips apart the fear-porn propaganda about Comet Elenin as this is a key point in time and someone or something is intervening to steer consciousness into another direction. Could it be that Elenin is a time capsule sent by our ancestors containing important information crucial for this time? Then, Hoagland weaves together an intense eye-opener which connects Comet Elenin with September 11, the original masonic message, the bombing in Norway and the secret space program.



http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2011/07/RIR-110726-rhoagland.mp3


More links and also listen here:

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2011/07/RIR-110726.php


I know some people don't like Hoagland ... but this is worth listening to.

[nearing]

I know some people don't like Hoagland ... but this is worth listening to.

Sorry, Calz, but I cannot stomach him any more. i tried to give him a regular listen on C2C because I have a lot of respect for George Noory but after the Elenin stuff he spouts makes me cringe.

[Ilie Pandia]

May I at least add a question mark after the title of this thread ;)?

(Although I feel "Nibiru or Lens flare in Oregon?" would be more appropriate as a title.)

[gigha]

100% lens flare. Happens all the time if you shoot towards the sun.

[giovonni]

Whether lens flare or not...something really big is causing a gravitational tug upon this planet as well as my head :dizzy:

[Calz]

Whether lens flare or not...something really big is causing a gravitational tug upon this planet as well as my head :dizzy:

This material (posted by The Truth Is In There via another link) seems valid. Nibiru (Wormwood, planet x or whatever ... there are several other bodies coming as well) is still a year (at least) out but the magnetic effect (not gravity as we have been led to believe) is so great it is already being felt. Note what this document implies has already happened to Saturn (hoping to get more verification of that).


http://thetruthbehindthescenes.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/nibiru-facts-of-truth1.pdf

[Operator]

Sorry, Calz, but I cannot stomach him any more. i tried to give him a regular listen on C2C because I have a lot of respect for George Noory but after the Elenin stuff he spouts makes me cringe.

Well he lost me as well ... all the so called hyper-dimensional proof from the Norway spiral, Obama being the 'disclosure president' etc. etc. never really came to fruition ...
But it is always worth listening to someone ... especially when they start spreading nonsense because then the real agenda comes out.

I listened to this hour on red ice ... and you won't believe what it is about this time ...
More attention for the NWO so called 'dawn' and a push toward the real (good ?) masons ?

Am I the only one noticing that more and more prominent speakers are making a subtle twist on their info toward the NWO ?
It could be I am totally wrong, just don't understand ... English is not my native language.

[Hervé]

Another tack from Redice with Maurice Cotterell:


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Author, Engineer and Scientist, Maurice Cotterell will discuss his latest book, FutureScience. FutureScience explains several topics such as how electricity and magnetism work together to produce the force of gravity, why the atom is comprised of 8 orbital shells, the nature of so-called 'dark matter', the reason why spiral galaxies are spiral shaped, why the centre of the Earth is red-hot, and how the Earth's magnetic field is generated. These are some of the topics we'll discuss with Maurice in this interview. He'll begin talking about the need for holistic science that incorporates engineering, chemistry, physics, history, spirituality, etc. and talk about the "God within us" that allows us to figure things out. He'll tell us why CERN is a waste of money and time. Additionally, Maurice will talk about the Sun, its cycles, its effect on fertility, how it causes global-warming-and-global-cooling and its relationship to Mercury. Maurice will also tell us why the magnetic poles won't be flipping anytime soon and will dispel the myth about 2012.


The connection between Sun and Mercury, as the cause for Earth electromagnetic storms, was empirically discovered by John H. Nelson in the 60s:

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/229308-Planetary-Alignments-and-the-Solar-Capacitor-Things-are-heatin-up-

[ghostrider]

My skies are usually clear all the time and I don't see any of this. If they are that close shouldn't you be able to see them all the time? I'm not saying they aren't there, it's just that I look everyday and never see a thing.
take a photo of the sun, then turn up the saturation a bit, the object can only be seen in infrared=brown dwarf it is there. happy hunting my friend.

[Hervé]

Waow!

Look at that above post number!

[dddanieljjjamesss]

Whether lens flare or not...something really big is causing a gravitational tug upon this planet as well as my head :dizzy:

This material (posted by The Truth Is In There via another link) seems valid. Nibiru (Wormwood, planet x or whatever ... there are several other bodies coming as well) is still a year (at least) out but the magnetic effect (not gravity as we have been led to believe) is so great it is already being felt. Note what this document implies has already happened to Saturn (hoping to get more verification of that).


http://thetruthbehindthescenes.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/nibiru-facts-of-truth1.pdf


I'm looking at this PDF right now.

At first I was like, "hmmm... where is he getting these calculations from"

and then I thought, "you know what, the nasa preparedness image-banner could easily be saying something along the lines of 'space object at a distance - tilting the rings of saturn to nearly verticle - THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE UP CLOSE"

Which would make sense that they are making a psy-op out of Elenin.

If ANYTHING extraordinary should happen when Elenin passes, whether purely stunning beauty in the stars, or mass chaos, we will think that it was either nothing to worry about or that TSHTF in that moment right there... when we in fact have another tribulation coming our way.

MAN IS THIS AN AMAZING TIME!
So beautiful to imagine / see these things in the sky.

We're going home after this, either way. No matter what happens - if these things come to fruition, we are going to surely remember our place in the cosmos...

[Calz]

One of a whole host of possibilities.


Which would make sense that they are making a psy-op out of Elenin.

I agree completely with those suggesting if a massive body was parked right next to the Sun it would be more than obvious in many ways by now.

... but something is certainly happening and no one can deny that.

[ponda]

Was still hoping to get confirmation regarding Saturn.

Could the photos themselves have been rotated???

That would still not account for the Saturn moon images ... nor the storm.


Well i had a bit of a look around and couldn't find any evidence of a 90 degree tilting of Saturn and there are literally thousands of amateur astronomers out there keeping a very close eye on Saturn and Jupiter.

Also if there was such a strong influence on Saturn that made it tilt 90 degrees then wouldn't the rings be disrupted in a noticeable way ? Maybe not...i don't know. I'm not saying that there isn't a large body out there etc but there are a lot of people with decent back yard telescopes watching the night skies these days so if something unusual does show up then i would suspect that it find its way onto the web fairly quickly.

[Calz]

Was still hoping to get confirmation regarding Saturn.

Could the photos themselves have been rotated???

That would still not account for the Saturn moon images ... nor the storm.


Well i had a bit of a look around and couldn't find any evidence of a 90 degree tilting of Saturn and there are literally thousands of amateur astronomers out there keeping a very close eye on Saturn and Jupiter.

Also if there was such a strong influence on Saturn that made it tilt 90 degrees then wouldn't the rings be disrupted in a noticeable way ? Maybe not...i don't know. I'm not saying that there isn't a large body out there etc but there are a lot of people with decent back yard telescopes watching the night skies these days so if something unusual does show up then i would suspect that it find its way onto the web fairly quickly.

On the RedIce interview the "H - name" suggests we the people can actually get hooked up with major telescopes and download to our computers.

Thats kinda cool.

Wonder how much that costs???

[ponda]

Calz said:

On the RedIce interview the "H - name" suggests we the people can actually get hooked up with major telescopes and download to our computers.

Thats kinda cool.


Hey maybe we could book the Hubble for a few nights :cool:;)

[bennycog]

Would there be a nibiru in other solar system's aswell?
An eccentric force that shapes and creates as it hurtles through it's orbit?
Would it be some sort of solar perpetual motion that makes sure the solar system's are kept running to support life?
would there be solar system's that are in motion like the sun and nibiru/dwarf star to create perpetual motion to keep the galaxy in check?
And so on and so on

[Ilie Pandia]

Charlie agreed with the title change, so here it goes :)

[Hervé]

My skies are usually clear all the time and I don't see any of this. If they are that close shouldn't you be able to see them all the time? I'm not saying they aren't there, it's just that I look everyday and never see a thing.
take a photo of the sun, then turn up the saturation a bit, the object can only be seen in infrared=brown dwarf it is there. happy hunting my friend.

Dear ghostrider... this is unfortunately impossible: The Brown Dwarf's temperature is 40 dgrees F. above absolute Zero. You would need a nitrogen refrigerated mirror/receptor in order to be able to distinguish it from background heat. Much less a handheld digital camera whether a good one or not. That's for one.

Second, that Brown Dwarf won't be detectable from the Southern Hemisphere till mid August. Never mind the Northern Hemisphere.

[jcocks]

Does anyone know what the Archons are supposed to look like?

I had a strange dream last night where I was hovering what seemed like a huge space station in orbit around the earth. It seemed to be made out of what I can only describe as "pods" - it looked like nothing I have seen before. There were spindly, spider-like creatures moving around inside - and *LOTS* of them! What was strange about this dream is that, unlike most of my dreams, nothing actually happened in this dream - I just saw what I described for about 5 minutes. It was similar to what I would imagine "remote viewing" would be like. I tried to get a closer look at the creatures, but I was prevented from doing so - most likely for my own protection (I would highly doubt these beings are friendly).

I wouldn't normally post something like this in a discussion thread such as this - I normally post my dreams in the spirituality forum - but I strongly feel that I need to post it here as it directly relates to what is happening here at this time.....

What are your thoughts on this....

[Tane Mahuta]

KK folks...here's my take on the situation.

Don't care whatever people want to call it. Elinan, Nibiru, Deathstar, Milenium Falcon, Tardis, Brown, Red, Black....don't care!!

But...we ALL know that something is there and it's coming to a neighbourhood near YOU!!

So I say people!

Be prepared for any situation, eventually...whatever it is WILL reveal itself.

There is a lot of Dis Info out there. Don't get caught up in the "mind thing"


nuff said


TM

[The Truth Is In There]

[...]
"The return of the Blue Star Katchina... ".
[...]

The trouble with assigning Elenin to the "Blue Kachina" is that, according to the last JPL corrections, the Elenin period is 1 million years.

That is, the last time Elenin was around our solar system was 1 Million years ago. And I am not sure the Hopi tradition goes that far back?

sorry i fail to see your point.

That may be quite a problem because the wording specifies a "RETURN." That directly implies it has been around in the past and observed, The 1 million years period of Elenin implies that, that comet was last seen around here about 1 million years ago. I believe the Hopi who handed down the tradition were first good observers.

Whether "no time" or not, "return" is mentioned about something that was observed in 3D on Earth; not in whatever time line they can go into in an altered state of consciousness.

That's to mean simply that the Blue Kachina is not Elenin. Nice try though.


the supposed orbit of elenin is just a theory like everything else. it could have had any orbit or none at all and along came planet x with its massive magnetic field, grabbed elenin and suddenly it had the same orbit as planet x. how about that for a theory?

of course you can believe that it's not the blue kachina but for me it fulfills the hopi prophecy perfectly and i think we're going to see the truth of it in september. if not i was wrong, no problem here.

however, if i'm right we can assume that the rest of the prophecy is pretty accurate too, and since the hopi already have a track record with their other prophecies ("sea turning black" just recently etc.), same as prophets like nostradamus, cayce, mother shipton and others, i don't see why the very predictions about the end times should be wrong when pretty much all previous ones turned out to be correct.


greybeard, what you mentioned about the bible prophecies having been channelled from the lower astral is a possibility but that would imply that basically all end times prophecies have come from the lower astral, even those of indigenous tribes, "saints", and so on, since they're more or less identical.

in one of dolores cannon's nostradamus books nostradamus explained how his predicting actually works, the way he sees timelines etc. and it didn't have anything to do with channelling at all. he was basically in spirit state, probably no different from the spiritual teachers you speak about.

at any rate, i believe all those people who had the ability to look into the "future" were here for a reason, to warn us of what's going to happen because it's the ending of a cycle and it has to happen, and those who listen to what we're being told are the ones that will be prepared and take the most out of the experience (seen from a soul's point of view). most others just leave their bodies sooner or later and that's that.

we know that this is not the first time earth changing catastrophies happen and i'm absolutely sure that those people who listened and were prepared back then were the ones who started civilization again while most others perished. thus, they had a tremendous advantage compared to other souls who just left, because the survivors learned and experienced many things the others did not. and learning and experiencing are the very reasons why we're here on earth.

so there's nothing here that looks like lower astral to me but of course it depends on the person reading these prophecies. they scare only those people who are looking to be scared or can't help it, they're just not ready yet and that's ok. but if you view them as a means to teach and help you there's nothing scary about them. so, no fear, no energy to entities from the lower astral.

[greybeard]

To be clear on Biblical propehesies
Only those that portray a judgmental-- fire and brimstone god are suspect.
The rest are I believe valid.

"My" God is a God of Love.
Slightly off topic but there is nothing to fear as we are spirit having a human experience --- we are at the movies but the mind wants to convince us that it is all very real and fatal. Not true.

So my vote is for a raising of consciousness.

Chris

[RedeZra]

To be clear on Biblical propehesies
Only those that portray a judgmental-- fire and brimstone god are suspect.
The rest are I believe valid.

"My" God is a God of Love.



God is not too soft to flood the whole world ; )

He is even known for his pure sulfur which keeps the halls of hell ablaze and this high perfomance sulfur can still be sampled in some ashen remains at the Dead Sea

God is even rumored to have been a Charioteer in the Kurukshetra war


I'm not saying that God is not Love but I am saying that God is no plush puppy ; )

[Operator]

Isn't it interesting how there seems to be 2 totally different sides to 1 biblical god ... :behindsofa:

But that is a completely different topic ! :offtopic: so please :focus:

[greybeard]

There is the old testament and the new.
I prefer the new.
Jesus came to clear up misunderstandings.
Death is an impossibility.
So whatever does a U turn around the Sun-- im ok with it.
Any way thats my story.

C

[RedeZra]

There is the old testament and the new.
I prefer the new.
Jesus came to clear up misunderstandings.


I prefer the New too

still Jesus made it perfectly clear that God is Love Just and Mercy too


what does Just means ?

it means there is a Standard and a Law complete with recompense but also retribution

[Chuck]

Hello The Truth Is In There,

Thank you for bringing the srcibd article forward. It has stirred debate, contemplation, fear and discussion. I had originally posted my first reaction to it here (http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showthread.php?3023-Planet-X...Claims-of-insider-Naval-Intelligence...&p=32303&viewfull=1#post32303) but will make an effort to give more of an account of my thoughts here. What follows is not a criticism of you but rather of the cowardly author whose motives are clearly to confuse, misinform, baffle, frighten… in short, to keep us in the dark.

I had originally read the document with an open mind, but many red flags surfaced. Then I reread the document with a critical mind and I got angry. The spirit of anger is what is propelling me to respond. You see… this world is hard enough to find one’s way without the land mines put in our path to impede us. The author of this deceitful paper is a charlatan. He knows it and so does not take the responsibility of signing his authorship. I would ease up on him and give him the benefit of the doubt if he simply signed his name.

First of all, gravity does exist. I made a career in geophysics by measuring the gravitational influences of various ore bodies in the sub-surface. Is there increasing atmospheric pressure below the surface of the earth?! Does atmospheric pressure vary laterally to create gravitational anomalies? Clearly not. Many computational corrections must be made to compensate for the terrain in gravity surveys.

The summary page is a laugh. How does one know the mass without knowing the density and composition? What’s with an inner and outer magnetic field (and accurate to 10 significant digits?)??!! Doesn’t exist, only to satisfy the picture that he posted later. Rotation direction and rotation velocity? Puhleeaase … seven orbiting planets eh?

What does the distance between Elenin and Regulus (even if we are observing it from 90 degrees perspective) have anything to do with Nibiru … wherever it is! Furthermore what does that distance have anything to do with the magnetic field of Niburu? Mind you, I give you full credit on knowing how to convert from one unit system to another. You past grade 3.

Where you got the picture that you claim is the infrared picture of Nibiru is anyone’s guess. There is no inner and outer magnetic field!

The rest of the paper is pure hogwash.

[RedeZra]

it's a given that official channels are pretty PTB biased but also the alternative media has been infested with PTB propaganda and snakeoil salesmen

I see so many refer to this or that person as if they were modern day prophets... but nobody is asking them for any evidence which might back up their claims

and so the deceit and the lies go on and on... because too many are too trusting busy or lazy to check their facts !

[Hervé]

[...]
the supposed orbit of elenin is just a theory like everything else.
[...]

As stated, this is the corrected period from earlier computation of earlier data points. To spell it out, the period is not a theory.

As more and more points are determined about Elenin trajectory in space, its orbit and period are more and more refined.

Conversely to the theory you propose, the Blue Kachina may have been grabbed by some stellar object and sent out to outer space never to see the light of day in this solar system, ever: see bowling alley fiesta of Oort clouds clean shaving at Post #650 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Proof-that-Comet-Elenin-doesn-t-exists--We-have-Nibiru-instead-&p=272050&viewfull=1#post272050)

[The One]

A younger looking David

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[The Truth Is In There]

Hello The Truth Is In There,

Thank you for bringing the srcibd article forward. It has stirred debate, contemplation, fear and discussion. I had originally posted my first reaction to it here (http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showthread.php?3023-Planet-X...Claims-of-insider-Naval-Intelligence...&p=32303&viewfull=1#post32303) but will make an effort to give more of an account of my thoughts here. What follows is not a criticism of you but rather of the cowardly author whose motives are clearly to confuse, misinform, baffle, frighten… in short, to keep us in the dark.

I had originally read the document with an open mind, but many red flags surfaced. Then I reread the document with a critical mind and I got angry. The spirit of anger is what is propelling me to respond. You see… this world is hard enough to find one’s way without the land mines put in our path to impede us. The author of this deceitful paper is a charlatan. He knows it and so does not take the responsibility of signing his authorship. I would ease up on him and give him the benefit of the doubt if he simply signed his name.

First of all, gravity does exist. I made a career in geophysics by measuring the gravitational influences of various ore bodies in the sub-surface. Is there increasing atmospheric pressure below the surface of the earth?! Does atmospheric pressure vary laterally to create gravitational anomalies? Clearly not. Many computational corrections must be made to compensate for the terrain in gravity surveys.

The summary page is a laugh. How does one know the mass without knowing the density and composition? What’s with an inner and outer magnetic field (and accurate to 10 significant digits?)??!! Doesn’t exist, only to satisfy the picture that he posted later. Rotation direction and rotation velocity? Puhleeaase … seven orbiting planets eh?

What does the distance between Elenin and Regulus (even if we are observing it from 90 degrees perspective) have anything to do with Nibiru … wherever it is! Furthermore what does that distance have anything to do with the magnetic field of Niburu? Mind you, I give you full credit on knowing how to convert from one unit system to another. You past grade 3.

Where you got the picture that you claim is the infrared picture of Nibiru is anyone’s guess. There is no inner and outer magnetic field!

The rest of the paper is pure hogwash.

ok thanks for your opinion. nevertheless i agree with the author on many points. for example the gravity issue since in my universe everything is energy so there's no need for any other force than electromagnetism to account for everything.

it's easy to disprove what you claim about gravity. of course there's pressure below the surface of the earth, even more than above. that should be obvious to everyone. and what you call gravitational anomalies are just anomalies because your theory is flawed. electromagnetism can easily explain why for example pressure is higher in certain places than in others because of the conduictivity of the different material.

i suggest we wait and see what's going to happen over the course of the next months. for me all pieces of the puzzle have fallen into place.

[The Truth Is In There]

[...]
the supposed orbit of elenin is just a theory like everything else.
[...]

As stated, this is the corrected period from earlier computation of earlier data points. To spell it out, the period is not a theory.

As more and more points are determined about Elenin trajectory in space, its orbit and period are more and more refined.

Conversely to the theory you propose, the Blue Kachina may have been grabbed by some stellar object and sent out to outer space never to see the light of day in this solar system, ever: see bowling alley fiesta of Oort clouds clean shaving at Post #650 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Proof-that-Comet-Elenin-doesn-t-exists--We-have-Nibiru-instead-&p=272050&viewfull=1#post272050)

of course it's just a theory because there's no way for those who collected the data to do that for the last few millennia. it's based on elenins current trajectory and that's just what is is - current. they have no way to tell if (or when) it changed orbit in the past due to the gravitational pull of planet x. besides, you take for granted that nasa and the likes tell you the truth. my guess is that they know very well that elenin is tied to planet x and has pretty much the same orbit but they don't tell the people, for obvious reasons.

btw, i'm not sure if you understand how prophecy works. the prophets have seen elenin/the blue kachina at this point in time so it couldn't have been grabbed by some other stellar object and sent out to outer space as you suggested because then it wouldn't have been possible for them so see it come here the way they did. and because it does come along now just like it was foreseen means it fulfills the prophecy and tells us that we're in the very timeline these prophets saw in their visions. and that, in turn, tells us that the other things they saw are also going to happen because they're part of the same prophecy.

[greybeard]

I like to be in the space of "May be so!!"
The universe is cyclic.
There were floods, earth changes, the works before there were humans here, so I tend to discount Divine retribution.
So the prophesies were based on past events which point to the liklyhood of similar happening again due to the orbits of the planets etc.
Seemingly it takes 250 Million years for earth to complete an orbit around the galactic center.
So we are heading into uncharted territory at the moment, yet the ancients knew the position of the stars, the orbits many thousands of years ago--- then we lost that knowledge and believed the world was flat for a time and that the sun went round the earth.
So I am back to may be so.!!!

Chris

[greybeard]

Slightly off topic but magnetism plays a large part in what may happen.
Scientists understanding of gravity seems to be changing.
David Sereda is much respected as an astrophysicist



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2Tlm2dkpwk

[Hervé]

of course it's just a theory because there's no way for those who collected the data to do that for the last few millennia. it's based on elenins current trajectory and that's just what is is - current. they have no way to tell if (or when) it changed orbit in the past due to the gravitational pull of planet x. besides, you take for granted that nasa and the likes tell you the truth. my guess is that they know very well that elenin is tied to planet x and has pretty much the same orbit but they don't tell the people, for obvious reasons.

btw, i'm not sure if you understand how prophecy works. the prophets have seen elenin/the blue kachina at this point in time so it couldn't have been grabbed by some other stellar object and sent out to outer space as you suggested because then it wouldn't have been possible for them so see it come here the way they did. and because it does come along now just like it was foreseen means it fulfills the prophecy and tells us that we're in the very timeline these prophets saw in their visions. and that, in turn, tells us that the other things they saw are also going to happen because they're part of the same prophecy.

First, I was pointing out that the 1 million years period of Elenin couldn't be a theory simply because it is derived from empirical data, i.e. observation. Hence it cannot be an "Of course it's a theory."

Second, I never said I was taking "NASA's and the likes'" data for granted. The period is verified by others. An example of that was that NASA first considered the orbit as being non-periodic, i.e. a space fluke coming in and going out never to be seen again. Others rightfully disagreed with that.

As for the Hopi prophecies, if I am not mistaken, the Elders themselves uttered something to the effect that the outcome could change or not happen as envisionned.

If you go back to Post #650 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Proof-that-Comet-Elenin-doesn-t-exists--We-have-Nibiru-instead-&p=272050&viewfull=1#post272050), the said space object cannot be a planet. So, no "Planet X." The only hypothesis about that object which still hold some water is the Brown Dwarf, binary companion to our Sun. That Brown Dwarf and our Sun have a period of 24,000 years in dancing around each other. Therefore that Blue Kachina needs to have a similar period in order to be a harbinger of the Brown Dwarf.

I don't know how else to convey to you that that space object cannot follow the same orbital path as Elenin. That's part of the hogwash as pointed out by Chuck regarding that PDF/Scrib paper.

Reread that Post #650 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Proof-that-Comet-Elenin-doesn-t-exists--We-have-Nibiru-instead-&p=272050&viewfull=1#post272050) and understand what's in there. It was my attempt to clear the confusion and propaganda that's being purposefully perpetuated about the subject. I apologize if it's not clear enough.

[loveandgratitude]

Comet Elenin Passing Stereo-B at 10.pm Sydney Time tonight

Comet elenin will be passing by the STEREO-B spacecraft at it’s closest distance in 4 hours from now. It will pass STEREO-B at 10.35pm Sydney time or 12:30 pm UTC

LATEST IMAGES OF ELENIN

http://sydneystargazers.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/elenin-july-2011.jpg

http://sydneystargazers.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/elenin-july-2.jpg

http://sydneystargazers.com/2011/07/31/latest-image-of-comet-elenin-july/

[loveandgratitude]

NOT ONLY COMET ELENIN

We Have Comet Garradd

Elenin is not the only comet that we will see from Earth .

Below is the latest picture of comet Garradd which will put on a nice show during August.

http://sydneystargazers.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/comet-garradd.jpg

http://sydneystargazers.com/2011/07/30/not-comet-elenin/

¤=[Post Update]=¤

The Schedule of Stereo-B from August 1 to August 14

Below is the schedule of Stereo-B when it rolls over to point it’s cameras at Elenin for a few hours each day to look at comet elenin.

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Scheduled activities for Week 31:

M Aug 01 (213) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 8-10 UT
Ahead: 480 kbps downlink on station 14
T Aug 02 (214) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 8-10 UT
Ahead: 480 kbps downlink on station 14
W Aug 03 (215) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 8-10 UT
Ahead: 480 kbps downlink on station 63
T Aug 04 (216) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 8-10 UT
Ahead: 480 kbps downlink on station 43
Behind: 480 kbps downlink on station 14
F Aug 05 (217) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 10-12 UT
Behind: 480 kbps downlink on station 43
S Aug 06 (218) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 8-10 UT
S Aug 07 (219) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 8-10 UT

Notes

* Aug 1-12 Behind: Spacecraft rolls to observe comet Elenin

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Scheduled activities for Week 32:

M Aug 08 (220) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 8-10 UT
T Aug 09 (221) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 8-10 UT
Behind: 480 kbps downlink on stations 14 and 63
W Aug 10 (222) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 8-10 UT
T Aug 11 (223) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 8-10 UT
Behind: 480 kbps downlink on station 63
F Aug 12 (224) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 10-12 UT
Ahead: 480 kbps downlink on station 14
S Aug 13 (225) Ahead: 480 kbps downlink on station 63
S Aug 14 (226) Ahead: 480 kbps downlink on station 14

[The One]

Why hasn't the media said anything about it? They have always made a big splash in the past about found comets. Is it because it is going to be coming a little too close for comfort and they don't want people freaking out.




j2T9lIn1RHE

[D-Day]

Hmm. to be honest I'm still not convinced about all this Comet Elenin/Planet X business.

Either way one thing's for sure, only time will tell if this is just another example of fear-mongering BS or an actual legitimate/genuine reality.

In the meantime, life seemingly goes on as it always has so until I'm faced with a 500 ft tsunami I intend to keep it real and enjoy whatever time I have left on this planet to the fullest... no sense in getting all paranoid and depressed, is there.

One thing I've realised is that the best philosophy (for me) to adopt is to not focus too much of my attention on things that I have no ability to influence and/or control, this is one of those things...

[steveofengland]

Why do some people take great delight in going to the effort of creating an almost Hollywood style trailer of how we may meet our end? We can see the evidence, we know what we might have to face, and even I have a feeling of excitement rather than fear, but this kind of thing just gives people a bad name. Unless this is the only way to get through to sheeple?

[Billy]

sorry if this has already been posted


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-vcP2_p288&feature=feedlik

[Billy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-vcP2_p288&feature=feedlik


Found this also
http://truthfrequencynews.com/?p=6449

[Operator]

Why a new thread ? We already have "Proof that Comet Elenin doesn't exists! We have Nibiru instead!" with almost 700 posts ?

[The One]

Why a new thread ? We already have "Proof that Comet Elenin doesn't exists! We have Nibiru instead!" with almost 700 posts ?

We could say that about a lot of stuff thats duplicated on here

But hey old news is good news

[Mutchie]

This whole topic has been turned inside out with people trying to find out the truth , i think certain info is still being witheld from us , recently i have found Donny Gillsom and his you tube channel is UrsuAdams.....he has bee recording footage from the south pole tracking station and some of the footage is extrordinary like 2 suns , one obviously being our sun the other being ? it has sattelittes aswell and this object is being seen from different parts of the world now .....I mean Richard Hoagland wants us to believe that a brown dwarf is impossible and furthermore he wants us to believe that Elenin could be a time capsule with info crucial to these times .... i just dont buy that

[greybeard]

This whole topic has been turned inside out with people trying to find out the truth , i think certain info is still being witheld from us , recently i have found Donny Gillsom and his you tube channel is UrsuAdams.....he has bee recording footage from the south pole tracking station and some of the footage is extrordinary like 2 suns , one obviously being our sun the other being ? it has sattelittes aswell and this object is being seen from different parts of the world now .....I mean Richard Hoagland wants us to believe that a brown dwarf is impossible and furthermore he wants us to believe that Elenin could be a time capsule with info crucial to these times .... i just dont buy that

One of the videos by the source you suggested Mutchie.
Im still downloading so havent yet watched it.
As yet I dont have an opinion but all info appreciated
Regards Chris



Ps
Having watched in part I have to say I got turned of by ongoing music and the Christian fundamentalism (for want of a better expression.)
Thats just me, others may find it helpful.
There is no doubt he has done his homework
C



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azbEUAfvaE8&feature=fvsr

[StephenW11UK]

A fascinating understanding of the Elenin event

As I don't know how to post the link here, you might go to Kerry's blog, scolling down to July 28. Henrik Palmgren interviews Richard Hoagland.
IMO a rare and exciting theory under discussion.

[Chuck]

ok thanks for your opinion. nevertheless i agree with the author on many points. for example the gravity issue since in my universe everything is energy so there's no need for any other force than electromagnetism to account for everything.

it's easy to disprove what you claim about gravity. of course there's pressure below the surface of the earth, even more than above. that should be obvious to everyone. and what you call gravitational anomalies are just anomalies because your theory is flawed. electromagnetism can easily explain why for example pressure is higher in certain places than in others because of the conduictivity of the different material.

i suggest we wait and see what's going to happen over the course of the next months. for me all pieces of the puzzle have fallen into place.

Hello The Truth Is In There,

It has been my personality and habit for 50 years to just walk away and ignore the response like the one you gave. I have preferred peace over truth. It has been my experience that people, in general, prefer to believe what they want to believe rather than use critical thinking. So to break this habit in myself and to help others who may be seeking the truth in this regard, I will respond in the hopes of contributing to a greater purposeful good.

I suspect that I live in the same universe as you, as a result, I would add that most likely… everything is Energy AND Consciousness. Having said that, it says nothing about the forces that make up the universe. I would hope that in your universe, matter exists. The strong and weak forces are necessary for your physical body to exist. These have nothing to do with electromagnetic forces. Electromagnetism is not what holds the particles together in the nucleus of the atom. It does not account for everything.

I agree with you, there is pressure in the sub-surface but the wanker author of the scribd file says, “On earth, much of the so called gravity is simply atmospheric pressure that gives weight to small … objects.”

In regards to gravitational anomalies, I define that to be any undulations or irregularities from background data. These are good things! You and I are anomalies and so is every person on this planet. We are not flawed theories but rather conscious entities making waves becoming what we want to become.


electromagnetism can easily explain why for example pressure is higher in certain places than in others because of the conduictivity of the different material.
Sorry you lost me on that one. Perhaps you can easily explain it to me.


i suggest we wait and see what's going to happen over the course of the next months. for me all pieces of the puzzle have fallen into place.
Yes, good suggestion. However I am here to reassure people who are trying to make the right decisions for themselves and their families, not to make any bold decisions based on what appears to be scientifically proven information of Nibiru of this article. This article cannot be further from the truth.

Niburu may very well exist and may very well be on it’s way here. But it will never, ever have the same trajectory as Elenin if it’s mass is as large as what people are suggesting. It can only have the same trajectory if it’s mass is the same as Elenin’s.

We are all in this together, so in the spirit of cooperation and lending a hand, let’s work together to shed light on the path. This forum has many right brained personalities: creative, visionaries, lovenlight, etc I suspect they need grounding from time to time. :) Peer reviews from other members should be welcomed. Let's do it responsibly.

Thank you for your continued news item reporting.

[steveofengland]

okay so we have umpteen theories about this event now and the longer we wait the more heated the debate gets. Are we all agreed that there are major increases in natural disasters all over the globe? Just the cause is what we are not agreeing on. The solar maximum, the comet, god, planet x? The fact remains that the outcome of any one of them is the same. Is there not too much circumstantial evidence to say that nothing will happen?
DO we need to wait till September 26ish to get some real evidence of the alignment theory. There are 5+ earthquakes everyday now, are we just waiting for another BIG one? How many theories will we be able to discount at that point? PRobably none I would imagine as they will still all hold water. So maybe we should concentrate more on the outcome of aforementioned events and start thinking about how we can get through all the scenarios, maybe that calls for a new thread on the subject? in any event we will need each other, and in a worse case scenario we may not simply turn to the internet to find the support of likeminded friends. how. Would we find each other? Should we not discuss this while we can freely do so?

[Operator]

So far I haven't seen a shred of evidence of any theory.

There are only a couple of things that appear reasonably clear :

1. Carol Rosin warned us that we would see an attempt to weaponize space using an asteroid scare tactic
2. Weather changes and natural disasters increase in frequency and magnitude
3. Governments seem to prepare for difficult times, preferably at higher altitudes and away from the coast
4. Governments/authorities are spending so much money on bailouts and rescue plans as if they don't care
about risks of payback.
5. Governments/authorities are no longer accountable. They lie all the time, official stories cannot be trusted
6. I am sure I forgot some issues ... to be added

The options we have are:

1. Wait and see if they are going to throw us a bone
2. Wait and see who is credible
3. Wait some more until all signs become more obvious and react like the rest (probably in panic)
4. Change our lifestyles, become less dependent, be more self sufficient

The advantage of 4 is that it becomes less important to know exactly what it is they're not telling us. If you do it wisely there is nothing
left to blame yourself ... besides chances are you will enjoy life more, become healthier, lose your fear for death and will get the most
out of life as long as your physical presence is required.

[crosby]

billyji, i read that article and i have to say, while the author may have a point or two regarding certain issues with earthquakes; they quickly lost any profound measure when i read his opinion about kerry cassidy and richard hoagland. i understand the nature of making a point and trying to get the public to latch on to the opinion presented, but i think this author takes it too far. sadly, all he had to say was lost because of the hyper critique that followed.

but, i guess these things happen. there are so many stories of what may or may not be out there, it's hard to keep track. thanks for the link. it explains a bit about the laura knight jadzik component.
regards, corson

[nearing]

sorry if this has already been posted


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-vcP2_p288&feature=feedlik

Now if they would just turn the WISE (infrared telescope) back on, maybe we could all have a look-see at the Dwarf Star that that comet is orbiting.

[Calz]

So far I haven't seen a shred of evidence of any theory.

There are only a couple of things that appear reasonably clear :

1. Carol Rosin warned us that we would see an attempt to weaponize space using an asteroid scare tactic
2. Weather changes and natural disasters increase in frequency and magnitude
3. Governments seem to prepare for difficult times, preferably at higher altitudes and away from the coast
4. Governments/authorities are spending so much money on bailouts and rescue plans as if they don't care
about risks of payback.
5. Governments/authorities are no longer accountable. They lie all the time, official stories cannot be trusted
6. I am sure I forgot some issues ... to be added

The options we have are:

1. Wait and see if they are going to throw us a bone
2. Wait and see who is credible
3. Wait some more until all signs become more obvious and react like the rest (probably in panic)
4. Change our lifestyles, become less dependent, be more self sufficient

The advantage of 4 is that it becomes less important to know exactly what it is they're not telling us. If you do it wisely there is nothing
left to blame yourself ... besides chances are you will enjoy life more, become healthier, lose your fear for death and will get the most
out of life as long as your physical presence is required.

Nice calm, level headed and rational summary :nod:

[nearing]

The other thread is still going quite strong.

[nearing]

I have feeling that many would deny anything out of the ordinary is happening even as the Dwarf Star comes between us and the Sun. Their psyche cannot handle it, so they won't.

[dddanieljjjamesss]

did you need to make this thread?

[dddanieljjjamesss]

donny gillson is a disinfonaut and a little scrutiny will tell you that much

you think there is an object, but do you really have the frame of reference to prove what you are seeing?

No, you have inconclusive data from a webcam on the south pole. Many of the 'shadows' and 'light phenomena' have been, and are easy to debunk.


THAT BEING SAID

I still believe the events we are experiencing are based on something 'outside' our cosmic frame of reference.

Yet the disinfo being pumped out is silly.

This is a time of celebration! :grouphug:

[Calz]

nearing:


I have feeling that many would deny anything out of the ordinary is happening even as the Dwarf Star comes between us and the Sun. Their psyched cannot handle it, so they won't.

Well there is always the story about the natives in america who initially could not see the spanish ships in the ocean because it was outside their reality paradym.

And how many times do we hear about craft using "screening techniques/technology" to make most people see a regular airplane rather than what is "really" there?

[Chuck]

Just a thought to consider regarding the Blue Kachina…

I think Paul LaViolette is onto something. As many of you know, he describes a periodical galactic super wave that bombards our solar system with intense cosmic waves originating from the center of the galaxy.
http://projectcamelot.org/paul_laviolette.html

David Wilcock discusses this a lot in regards to our DNA being upgraded by such an event.

I think we may have entered the “head waters” of such an event.

Last year NASA has published a series of interesting articles leaking this information out. For example, the following describes a ribbon of neutral particles of cosmic radiation that was observed just outside our solar system. The heliosphere currently is protecting us from cosmic radiation, but whose to say whether or not a large flux of particles could over take this cocoon anytime in the future?
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2010/15jan_ibex2/

Also here is an article describing the enormous burst of cosmic gamma radiation from the galactic center in the shape of a dumbbell.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/GLAST/news/new-structure.html

NASA is spending billions of dollars to try and understand what affect this has on life.
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2010/22oct_ooreos/

The interstellar cloud reported in the first article is “chock-full of carbon-containing compounds.” … perhaps ready to mutate with our DNA to create Homo Sapien Sapien 2.0

As I mentioned we are currently protected by the heliosphere from cosmic radiation. But nothing stays constant. Our sun has experienced 5 years of relatively low output. If there is a brown dwarf out there, perhaps its proximity could destructively interfere with the magnetic cocoon of the heliosphere, nulling it and thereby allowing more cosmic radiation into our solar system. Or… we are about to experience a tidal wave of cosmic energy, one that nothing will keep it at bay.

Perhaps… just perhaps… as more of this electromagnetic energy from the center of our galaxy is swept through our solar system we might see it begin to glow… blue! Watch for it in the constellation of Sagittarius.

[Lord Sidious]

nearing:


I have feeling that many would deny anything out of the ordinary is happening even as the Dwarf Star comes between us and the Sun. Their psyched cannot handle it, so they won't.

Well there is always the story about the natives in america who initially could not see the spanish ships in the ocean because it was outside their reality paradym.

And how many times do we hear about craft using "screening techniques/technology" to make most people see a regular airplane rather than what is "really" there?

I class that belief as bs.
The aborigines here saw the ships the british were in as did the hawaiins.

[Calz]

Chuck:


I think Paul LaViolette is onto something. As many of you know, he describes a periodical galactic super wave that bombards our solar system with intense cosmic waves originating from the center of the galaxy.


I was researching Paul LaViolette's material recently. Rather text intensive so I will only put up the link this time:

http://www.etheric.com/LaViolette/Predict.html

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nearing:


I have feeling that many would deny anything out of the ordinary is happening even as the Dwarf Star comes between us and the Sun. Their psyched cannot handle it, so they won't.

Well there is always the story about the natives in america who initially could not see the spanish ships in the ocean because it was outside their reality paradym.

And how many times do we hear about craft using "screening techniques/technology" to make most people see a regular airplane rather than what is "really" there?

I class that belief as bs.
The aborigines here saw the ships the british were in as did the hawaiins.

Could well be quite correct m'lord ... as you often are :)

[PurpleLama]

Ever since I was a kid, I have always maintained that if I was an ET and I had a UFO and I wanted to fly around the earth undetected I would just put some blinking lights on my ship. Noone would ever be the wiser.

[the_flyingboy]

this is what i got from NASA and i have no idea about the numbers,if someone can read this thing please enlighten us..


Object Data Page

JPL/HORIZONS Elenin (C/2010 X1) 2011-Jul-31 22:49:28
Rec #:903811 (+COV) Soln.date: 2011-Jul-29_12:50:18 # obs: 2203 (2010-2011)

FK5/J2000.0 helio. ecliptic osc. elements (AU, DAYS, DEG, period=Julian yrs):

EPOCH= 2455649.5 != 2011-Mar-29.0000000 (CT) Residual RMS= .63204
EC= 1.000062959364038 QR= .48242824819319 TP= 2455815.219308395
OM= 323.2353953789915 W= 343.7976174338694 IN= 1.839547814025426
A= -7662.533692399563 MA= 359.999756489 ADIST= 9.999999E99
PER= 9.999999E99 N= 1.469E-6 ANGMOM= .01689739
DAN= .4922 DDN= 24.33053 L= 307.0409251
B= -.5132096 TP= 2011-Sep-10.7193084

Physical & non-grav parameters (KM, SEC; A1,A2,A3=AU/d^2; DT=days):
GM= n.a. RAD= n.a. A1= n.a.
A2= n.a. A3= n.a. DT= n.a.
M1= 10.4 M2= 13.7 k1= 11.
k2= 5. PHCOF= .030

COMET comments
1: soln ref.= JPL#32, data arc: 2010-Dec-10 to 2011-Jul-07
2: k1=11., k2=5., phase coef.=0.03;

Results

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Ephemeris / WWW_USER Sun Jul 31 22:49:30 2011 Pasadena, USA / Horizons
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Target body name: Elenin (C/2010 X1) {source: JPL#32}
Center body name: Earth (399) {source: DE405}
Center-site name: GEOCENTRIC
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Start time : A.D. 2011-Aug-01 00:00:00.0000 UT
Stop time : A.D. 2011-Aug-31 00:00:00.0000 UT
Step-size : 1440 minutes
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Target pole/equ : No model available
Target radii : (unavailable)
Center geodetic : 0.00000000,0.00000000,0.0000000 {E-lon(deg),Lat(deg),Alt(km)}
Center cylindric: 0.00000000,0.00000000,0.0000000 {E-lon(deg),Dxy(km),Dz(km)}
Center pole/equ : High-precision EOP model {East-longitude +}
Center radii : 6378.1 x 6378.1 x 6356.8 km {Equator, meridian, pole}
Target primary : Sun {source: DE405}
Interfering body: MOON (Req= 1737.400) km {source: DE405}
Deflecting body : Sun, EARTH {source: DE405}
Deflecting GMs : 1.3271E+11, 3.9860E+05 km^3/s^2
Small perturbers: Ceres, Pallas, Vesta {source: SB405-CPV-2}
Small body GMs : 6.32E+01, 1.43E+01, 1.78E+01 km^3/s^2
Atmos refraction: NO (AIRLESS)
RA format : HMS
Time format : CAL
EOP file : eop.110729.p111020
EOP coverage : DATA-BASED 1962-JAN-20 TO 2011-JUL-29. PREDICTS-> 2011-OCT-19
Units conversion: 1 AU= 149597870.691 km, c= 299792.458 km/s, 1 day= 86400.0 s
Table cut-offs 1: Elevation (-90.0deg=NO ),Airmass (>38.000=NO), Daylight (NO )
Table cut-offs 2: Solar Elongation ( 0.0,180.0=NO )
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Initial FK5/J2000.0 heliocentric ecliptic osculating elements (AU, DAYS, DEG):
EPOCH= 2455649.5 != 2011-Mar-29.0000000 (CT) Residual RMS= .63204
EC= 1.000062959364038 QR= .48242824819319 TP= 2455815.219308395
OM= 323.2353953789915 W= 343.7976174338694 IN= 1.839547814025426
Comet physical & dynamic parameters (KM, SEC; A1,A2,A3=AU/d^2; DT=days):
GM= n.a. RAD= n.a. A1= n.a.
A2= n.a. A3= n.a. DT= n.a.
M1= 10.4 M2= 13.7 k1= 11.
k2= 5. PHCOF= .030
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Date__(UT)__HR:MN R.A._(ICRF/J2000.0)_DEC T-mag N-mag delta deldot S-O-T /r S-T-O
**************************************************************************************************** **********
$$SOE
2011-Aug-01 00:00 11 25 48.94 +02 24 00.9 11.46 15.93 1.51297321605523 -21.5695541 42.9448 /T 41.9310
2011-Aug-02 00:00 11 27 38.61 +02 12 30.6 11.36 15.89 1.50036009929817 -22.1038345 42.4834 /T 42.3555
2011-Aug-03 00:00 11 29 30.15 +02 00 47.8 11.26 15.85 1.48743607204932 -22.6460197 42.0303 /T 42.8036
2011-Aug-04 00:00 11 31 23.57 +01 48 52.6 11.16 15.80 1.47419654573401 -23.1961847 41.5856 /T 43.2771
2011-Aug-05 00:00 11 33 18.87 +01 36 45.0 11.05 15.76 1.46063688418370 -23.7544227 41.1493 /T 43.7777
2011-Aug-06 00:00 11 35 16.06 +01 24 25.0 10.94 15.71 1.44675238775728 -24.3208624 40.7215 /T 44.3074
2011-Aug-07 00:00 11 37 15.15 +01 11 52.9 10.83 15.67 1.43253826940427 -24.8956784 40.3021 /T 44.8685
2011-Aug-08 00:00 11 39 16.12 +00 59 08.6 10.72 15.62 1.41798962761648 -25.4790917 39.8912 /T 45.4631
2011-Aug-09 00:00 11 41 19.00 +00 46 12.3 10.60 15.58 1.40310142058806 -26.0713655 39.4886 /T 46.0937
2011-Aug-10 00:00 11 43 23.76 +00 33 04.2 10.49 15.53 1.38786844460959 -26.6727952 39.0943 /T 46.7630
2011-Aug-11 00:00 11 45 30.40 +00 19 44.6 10.37 15.48 1.37228531866635 -27.2836967 38.7082 /T 47.4737
2011-Aug-12 00:00 11 47 38.91 +00 06 13.7 10.24 15.44 1.35634647679023 -27.9043916 38.3303 /T 48.2291
2011-Aug-13 00:00 11 49 49.26 -00 07 28.1 10.12 15.39 1.34004616971509 -28.5351894 37.9603 /T 49.0323
2011-Aug-14 00:00 11 52 01.43 -00 21 20.3 9.99 15.34 1.32337847760007 -29.1763671 37.5980 /T 49.8868
2011-Aug-15 00:00 11 54 15.38 -00 35 22.6 9.86 15.30 1.30633733566113 -29.8281451 37.2433 /T 50.7966
2011-Aug-16 00:00 11 56 31.05 -00 49 34.2 9.73 15.25 1.28891657454443 -30.4906601 36.8959 /T 51.7656
2011-Aug-17 00:00 11 58 48.38 -01 03 54.4 9.59 15.20 1.27110997719047 -31.1639350 36.5553 /T 52.7983
2011-Aug-18 00:00 12 01 07.30 -01 18 22.3 9.45 15.15 1.25291135404568 -31.8478454 36.2211 /T 53.8993
2011-Aug-19 00:00 12 03 27.71 -01 32 56.9 9.31 15.11 1.23431463882139 -32.5420820 35.8929 /T 55.0737
2011-Aug-20 00:00 12 05 49.47 -01 47 37.0 9.17 15.06 1.21531400763453 -33.2461069 35.5700 /T 56.3266
2011-Aug-21 00:00 12 08 12.45 -02 02 21.1 9.02 15.02 1.19590402520795 -33.9591034 35.2516 /T 57.6639
2011-Aug-22 00:00 12 10 36.47 -02 17 07.6 8.88 14.97 1.17607982272723 -34.6799164 34.9368 /T 59.0914
2011-Aug-23 00:00 12 13 01.31 -02 31 54.5 8.73 14.93 1.15583731288300 -35.4069827 34.6247 /T 60.6153
2011-Aug-24 00:00 12 15 26.73 -02 46 39.7 8.57 14.89 1.13517344847058 -36.1382500 34.3140 /T 62.2422
2011-Aug-25 00:00 12 17 52.43 -03 01 20.6 8.42 14.85 1.11408653156438 -36.8710830 34.0033 /T 63.9787
2011-Aug-26 00:00 12 20 18.06 -03 15 54.2 8.27 14.81 1.09257658051111 -37.6021571 33.6908 /T 65.8315
2011-Aug-27 00:00 12 22 43.21 -03 30 17.2 8.11 14.77 1.07064576127503 -38.3273423 33.3747 /T 67.8075
2011-Aug-28 00:00 12 25 07.42 -03 44 25.8 7.96 14.74 1.04829888715388 -39.0415848 33.0528 /T 69.9134
2011-Aug-29 00:00 12 27 30.13 -03 58 15.5 7.80 14.71 1.02554398548584 -39.7387959 32.7224 /T 72.1556
2011-Aug-30 00:00 12 29 50.73 -04 11 41.7 7.64 14.69 1.00239292112059 -40.4117697 32.3808 /T 74.5398
2011-Aug-31 00:00 12 32 08.52 -04 24 38.8 7.49 14.66 0.97886205503276 -41.0521475 32.0247 /T 77.0714
$$EOE
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Column meaning:

TIME

Prior to 1962, times are UT1. Dates thereafter are UTC. Any 'b' symbol in
the 1st-column denotes a B.C. date. First-column blank (" ") denotes an A.D.
date. Calendar dates prior to 1582-Oct-15 are in the Julian calendar system.
Later calendar dates are in the Gregorian system.

The uniform Coordinate Time scale is used internally. Conversion between
CT and the selected non-uniform UT output scale has not been determined for
UTC times after the next July or January 1st. The last known leap-second
is used over any future interval.

NOTE: "n.a." in output means quantity "not available" at the print-time.

R.A._(ICRF/J2000.0)_DEC =
J2000.0 astrometric right ascension and declination of target center.
Corrected for light-time. Units: HMS (HH MM SS.ff) and DMS (DD MM SS.f)

T-mag N-mag =
Comet's approximate apparent visual total magnitude ("T-mag") and nuclear
magnitude ("N-mag") by following definitions:
T-mag = M1 + 5*log10(delta) + k1*log10(r)
N-mag = M2 + 5*log10(delta) + k2*log10(r) + phcof*beta
Units: none

delta deldot =
Range ("delta") and range-rate ("delta-dot") of target center with respect
to the observer at the instant light seen by the observer at print-time would
have left the target center (print-time minus down-leg light-time); the
distance traveled by a light ray emanating from the center of the target and
recorded by the observer at print-time. "deldot" is a projection of the
velocity vector along this ray, the light-time-corrected line-of-sight from the
coordinate center, and indicates relative motion. A positive "deldot" means the
target center is moving away from the observer (coordinate center). A negative
"deldot" means the target center is moving toward the observer.
Units: AU and KM/S

S-O-T /r =
Sun-Observer-Target angle; target's apparent solar elongation seen from
observer location at print-time. If negative, the target center is behind
the Sun. Angular units: DEGREES.

The '/r' column is a Sun-relative code, output for observing sites
with defined rotation models only.

/T indicates target trails Sun (evening sky)
/L indicates target leads Sun (morning sky)

NOTE: The S-O-T solar elongation angle is the total separation in any
direction. It does not indicate the angle of Sun leading or trailing.

S-T-O =
Sun-Target-Observer (~ PHASE ANGLE) angle: the vertex angle at target center
formed by a vector to the apparent center of the Sun and a vector intersecting
the observer at print-time. This measurable angle is within 20 arcseconds
(0.006 deg) of the reduced PHASE ANGLE at observer's location at print time.
The difference is due to down-leg stellar aberration affecting measured target
position but not apparent solar illumination direction. When computing phase,
Horizons uses the true phase angle, not S-T-O, but the resulting difference
in illuminated fraction is less than 0.001%.
Units: DEGREES



Computations by ...
Solar System Dynamics Group, Horizons On-Line Ephemeris System
4800 Oak Grove Drive, Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Information: http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/
Connect : telnet://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov:6775 (via browser)
telnet ssd.jpl.nasa.gov 6775 (via command-line)
Author : Jon.Giorgini@jpl.nasa.gov

[Calz]

I think Paul LaViolette is onto something. As many of you know, he describes a periodical galactic super wave that bombards our solar system with intense cosmic waves originating from the center of the galaxy.
http://projectcamelot.org/paul_laviolette.html



More on Paul LaViolette for those interested here in a massive 135 page PA1 thread initiated by Pane Andov (Astral Walker). In "part 3 and 4" of his large OP he discussed Paul's work.

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8441&highlight=nexus+2012

[ThePythonicCow]

Why hasn't the media said anything about it? They have always made a big splash in the past about found comets. Is it because it is going to be coming a little too close for comfort and they don't want people freaking out.I merged this new "Alert comet elenin is a lie it is planet x we are being lied too " thread into the existing, long standing, and long :), thread on Elenin/Planet X/Nibiru/whatever.

[steveofengland]

Interesting keywords in that data there, interfering body? CAn anyone translate this?

[The Truth Is In There]

First, I was pointing out that the 1 million years period of Elenin couldn't be a theory simply because it is derived from empirical data, i.e. observation. Hence it cannot be an "Of course it's a theory."

ok you win. apparently it has been observed for the last one million years. i didn't know that.


As for the Hopi prophecies, if I am not mistaken, the Elders themselves uttered something to the effect that the outcome could change or not happen as envisionned.

yes but obviously it is happening.


If you go back to Post #650 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Proof-that-Comet-Elenin-doesn-t-exists--We-have-Nibiru-instead-&p=272050&viewfull=1#post272050), the said space object cannot be a planet. So, no "Planet X." The only hypothesis about that object which still hold some water is the Brown Dwarf, binary companion to our Sun. That Brown Dwarf and our Sun have a period of 24,000 years in dancing around each other. Therefore that Blue Kachina needs to have a similar period in order to be a harbinger of the Brown Dwarf.

i merely called it planet x because that's the name it was given back in the 80s when the first stories about it appeared in the newspapers and it's the name the zetas use. i could call it nibiru if you prefer that or wormwood or the destroyer. it doesn't matter, it's just a name.

i stand by my kachina theory. in 2-3 months we'll know who was right.

[Calz]

i could call it nibiru if you prefer that or wormwood or the destroyer. it doesn't matter, it's just a name.


Yep. If we were to accept Sitchin's (possibly channeled) story then our Anunnaki friends would be on Nibiru, which as logic would follow, would be one of the bodies orbiting the brown dwarf named Wormwood.

Planet x is a nice safe generic name sure to rile up almost everyone with all the disinfo and debunking abuse it has suffered.

And now for "news that matters."

Anyone come up with 2nd source confirmations regarding the 90% tilt in Saturn???

That would be a real show stopper and take away the necessity of waiting for a couple months.

[The Truth Is In There]

I suspect that I live in the same universe as you, as a result, I would add that most likely… everything is Energy AND Consciousness.

ok, i believe that even consciousness is energy. i can't prove it and neither can you although i have read somewhere that the soul has a mass, 23g or so, which implies that it is made of energy.


Having said that, it says nothing about the forces that make up the universe. I would hope that in your universe, matter exists.

sorry to disappoint you but it doesn't. in my universe quantum physics has proven that matter doesn't exist. indian yogis even call the world "maya" which i understand means "illusion". so nope, sorry, matter doesn't really exist over here.


The strong and weak forces are necessary for your physical body to exist. These have nothing to do with electromagnetic forces. Electromagnetism is not what holds the particles together in the nucleus of the atom. It does not account for everything.

now you have lost me...completely.



electromagnetism can easily explain why for example pressure is higher in certain places than in others because of the conduictivity of the different material.
Sorry you lost me on that one. Perhaps you can easily explain it to me.

what i meant to say was that the size and strength of the magnetic field around a certain object depends on the amount of electric energy either within or flowing through the object. and the material it is made of is basically energy, different amounts of protons and electrons in different kinds of atoms and so on. not easy to describe since english is not my first language but i hope you take my meaning.


Niburu may very well exist and may very well be on it’s way here. But it will never, ever have the same trajectory as Elenin if it’s mass is as large as what people are suggesting. It can only have the same trajectory if it’s mass is the same as Elenin’s.

it doesn't have EXACTLY the same trajectory since elenin comes from below the ecliptic. besides, i'd rather say elenin has about the same trajectory as nibiru and not vice versa because i believe that elenin is for nibiru basically what pluto is for our sun, it's spinning around nibiru near the outer edge of nibiru's magnetic field.

[goldmother]

WHAT IF...MAYBE .....

Some say that we create are own reality, and that what we think, dwell on, obsess about, gets thrown out into the universe and is acted on in some way as part of Universal Law and also informs the Universe (Creator,Higher Beings whatever term you wish to use ) how Evolved we are, what stage we are at in the Evolvement process.

Now lets say that Fear and Love have a unique frequency, Love is a Higher Vibration and when there is enough of this emotion being projected into the universe it has the capacity to Evolve a planet and its inhabitants in a very positive way. Fear on the other hand is a negative and heavy Vibration and has the opposite effect

This is something the Negative powers that Be know all to well and are masters at controlling, knowing this as many of us do, could this be a very clever play by these same people aimed at controlling on mass our vibrations at this crucial time 2012 when it seems to me there has been no other time as important as this and that what we are emitting out to the universe at this time is everything is it not.

This fear vibration IMO is targeted at the very people who have a very big impact on the vibrations on this planet, who are awake and aware and also know how the universe works, yes US as this fear is on most websites like this one

My point being what are we choosing...... FEAR OR LOVE

[steveofengland]

As my mind has not been opened fully yet I still find the spiritual side of this hard to grasp, maybe as I become more awake it will come. but wise words and thoughts from the few will surely not rise above the negative ignorance of the many?

[greybeard]

As my mind has not been opened fully yet I still find the spiritual side of this hard to grasp, maybe as I become more awake it will come. but wise words and thoughts from the few will surely not rise above the negative ignorance of the many?

Its a question of energy.
The spiritual power of one master compensates for the negative energy of millions.
Jesus only taught a few years but look at the power of his teaching--- still a positive force thousands of years on-- not talking religeon.
So whatever is coming as a massive electro magnetic band from the center of the galaxy may be the result of an intelligent force.
(as posted by Chuck)
That may affect us positively.
The conscious universe etc.

Slightly off topic.
Chris

[goldmother]

As my mind has not been opened fully yet I still find the spiritual side of this hard to grasp, maybe as I become more awake it will come. but wise words and thoughts from the few will surely not rise above the negative ignorance of the many?

Look back in the past..... when all was thought to be lost you could hear one small voice, see one small light in the darkness, that is all it takes be the voice, be the light, more will follow, this vibration thing works both ways !!

Build it they will come !!! (sorry couldn't resist but you get my point )

:grouphug:

[Hervé]

First, I was pointing out that the 1 million years period of Elenin couldn't be a theory simply because it is derived from empirical data, i.e. observation. Hence it cannot be an "Of course it's a theory."

ok you win. apparently it has been observed for the last one million years. i didn't know that.

I see... well, one versed in some good maths and physics only needs the coordinates, compute the speed from time of discovery up to now in order to construct the orbital path and its period; no need to be sarcastic.



As for the Hopi prophecies, if I am not mistaken, the Elders themselves uttered something to the effect that the outcome could change or not happen as envisionned.

yes but obviously it is happening.

I am sorry but what exactly is "obviously" happening beside a lot of GooTube hysteria and disinfo?



If you go back to Post #650 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Proof-that-Comet-Elenin-doesn-t-exists--We-have-Nibiru-instead-&p=272050&viewfull=1#post272050), the said space object cannot be a planet. So, no "Planet X." The only hypothesis about that object which still hold some water is the Brown Dwarf, binary companion to our Sun. That Brown Dwarf and our Sun have a period of 24,000 years in dancing around each other. Therefore that Blue Kachina needs to have a similar period in order to be a harbinger of the Brown Dwarf.


i merely called it planet x because that's the name it was given back in the 80s when the first stories about it appeared in the newspapers and it's the name the zetas use. i could call it nibiru if you prefer that or wormwood or the destroyer. it doesn't matter, it's just a name.


i stand by my kachina theory. in 2-3 months we'll know who was right.

"Planet X" was the first disinfo attached to that body from some insider guy, whether willfully or not because they had the data it was a very cold object with no, to little, perceptible motion ruling it out as either a comet or a planet. The piece of disinfo was to call it a planet enticing people to look for a planet that didn't exist. Blown to propaganda proportion by MSM "newspapers." Makes sense?

Now, about the Zetas, did you ever read what a former outspoken disseminator of their "predictions" and "data" ended up publishing about them? Here is the link for the record:

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/planetXsequel15jul;04.shtml

where you could find some info about Nancy Lieder being an unaware (benefit of the doubt) CIA mind controlled asset.

Nibiru is a hoax invented by Sitchin and/or his channeled entity, again see Post #650 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Proof-that-Comet-Elenin-doesn-t-exists--We-have-Nibiru-instead-&p=272050&viewfull=1#post272050) as well as this one:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?24489-Was-Sitchin-wrong&p=257351&viewfull=1#post257351

I understand now where you are coming from; but, then, why not call that cold object by its closest descriptive name? That is, a brown dwarf. So as to avoid the propaganda, disinfo and agendas attached to all these other names. As you may be aware of, calling it any names known in the MSM, you do further the purpose of the propaganda, disinfo and agenda attached to that name. Therefore, it isn't exactly just a "name."

Nothing against standing by your opinion...

Here is what the discoverer had to say about his discovery and what people ended making out of it. Here's from the horse's mouth:



The panic on the Internet began with a genuine snapshot, published by one of the Argentine astronomers, and few people bothered to pay attention to the date - April 1st. In the center - a comet with a symbol C 2010 X1 Elenin, and on each side, wrote the scientist, - something that looks very much like two alien spacecraft. They are on their way! - the Internet exploded and started to await the end of the world.

[...]

Leonid Elenin, researcher in the Institute of Applied Mathematics says: "I receive letters that ask me to present a passport."

Interviewer: "Where the letters are coming from?"

Leonid Elenin: "Well, most of them come from the U.S.. Right now, during the last week, I was 'buried' by letters from Russia. From U.S. also came: 'We don't believe you. Show your passport.' To which I replied: Why do I have to show you anything?"

[...]

Leonid Elenin: "These are actually stars. What happens is, that during a certain process of adding several frames in relation to the velocity of the comet, these stars stretch into tracks. In principle, any astronomer should know this."

[...]

Interviewer: "It is similar to a bright spot being smeared on the picture taken at night."

Leonid Elenin: "Yes, of course. And the discovery of a comet was my dream, a childhood dream. And it was accomplished. Of course, I was happy and so on. But now, all this is happening around my comet. There are, for example, the following letters: 'Leonid, tell us the truth. I am selling my house. And my family and I are heading for the mountains.' It's nothing but hysteria. More so, the comet is absolutely safe for the Earth. It will pass at a distance of 34 million kilometers from the planet."
[...]
Full article, click: here (http://www.sott.net/articles/show/231479-Interview-with-Russian-astronomer-Leonid-Elenin-The-discoverer-of-comet-Elenin)




That's for Elenin.

Now, the Brown Dwarf... that's another story because of its interaction with Our Sun which dictates what's occurring with the planets around it. Electromagnetism being the main engine.

That's my take for the moment; it might change without notice as new data are made available. :nod:

[Eric J (Viking)]

We'll know sooner or later>>> Just a footnote...ELENIN Extinction Level Event Nibiru Is Near ...hmmmm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBkuu-Tck6E&feature=related

viking

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

Viking Hi

The credibility of Hoagland has been brought into question.
The guy now thinks its a space ship. The same exact scaremongering tactic was promoted & used indirectly by NASA with Hale Bopp, resulting in a good number of folk committing Harry Carry.....



Isn't it just possible, that folk are being lead up the garden path?
If this is the case, then one could argue that they themselves are also guilty of promoting dis-information.

The question should now be asked. Are they now guilty of terrorism by unknowingly or knowingly helping to spread fear, panic, terror etc among the masses?

[Eric J (Viking)]

Viking Hi

The credibility of Hoagland has been brought into question.
The guy now thinks its a space ship. The same exact scaremongering tactic was promoted & used indirectly by NASA with Hale Bopp, resulting in a good number of folk committing Harry Carry.....



Isn't it just possible, that folk are being lead up the garden path?
If this is the case, then one could argue that they themselves are also guilty of promoting dis-information.

The question should now be asked. Are they now guilty of terrorism by unknowingly or knowingly helping to spread fear, panic, terror etc among the masses?

Hi Bryn

Terrorism... Please!

I have researched this from top to bottom, and from left to right...and I do believe that something is headed this way...

Try to dig a little deeper Bryn...

Hey I would never ever try to convince anyone here of whats what...we all have eyes to see and ears to hear...I know we are ungulfed with all sorts of information at the moment, and its up to us to discern. Its difficult at the best of times picking off the rotten fruit, so to speak.... some of the fruit is fine and dandy its up to you to chose which ones for you.

I wonder what Bill's thoughts are here??

I'm about to post something on the 'Earth Thread' have a peep...too many questions and not enough answers Bryn.

Bunkers?? Why?? Ohhhh I won't go on...

Be well

viking

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

Viking Hi

The credibility of Hoagland has been brought into question.
The guy now thinks its a space ship. The same exact scaremongering tactic was promoted & used indirectly by NASA with Hale Bopp, resulting in a good number of folk committing Harry Carry.....



Isn't it just possible, that folk are being lead up the garden path?
If this is the case, then one could argue that they themselves are also guilty of promoting dis-information.

The question should now be asked. Are they now guilty of terrorism by unknowingly or knowingly helping to spread fear, panic, terror etc among the masses?

Hi Bryn

Terrorism... Please!

I have researched this from top to bottom, and from left to right...and I do believe that something is headed this way...

Try to dig a little deeper Bryn...

Hey I would never ever try to convince anyone here of whats what...we all have eyes to see and ears to hear...I know we are ungulfed with all sorts of information at the moment, and its up to us to discern. Its difficult at the best of times picking off the rotten fruit, so to speak.... some of the fruit is fine and dandy its up to you to chose which ones for you.

I wonder what Bill's thoughts are here??

I'm about to post something on the 'Earth Thread' have a peep...too many questions and not enough answers Bryn.

Bunkers?? Why?? Ohhhh I won't go on...

Be well

viking

Hi.

Notice the big gap between the two paragraphs, for it was not directed at you. But if the cap fits.


Try to dig a little deeper Bryn
Tut tut.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Yeah yeah ...

As I said be well Bryn.

viking

[Rocky_Shorz]

Scheduled activities for Week 31:

M Aug 01 (213) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 8-10 UT
Ahead: 480 kbps downlink on station 14
T Aug 02 (214) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 8-10 UT
Ahead: 480 kbps downlink on station 14
W Aug 03 (215) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 8-10 UT
Ahead: 480 kbps downlink on station 63
T Aug 04 (216) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 8-10 UT
Ahead: 480 kbps downlink on station 43
Behind: 480 kbps downlink on station 14
F Aug 05 (217) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 10-12 UT
Behind: 480 kbps downlink on station 43
S Aug 06 (218) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 8-10 UT
S Aug 07 (219) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 8-10 UT

everyone keep their eyes open, images should be appearing soon in full spectrum color... (http://stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov/plans.shtml)

[dddanieljjjamesss]

We'll know sooner or later>>> Just a footnote...ELENIN Extinction Level Event Nibiru Is Near ...hmmmm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBkuu-Tck6E&feature=related

viking


I think it actually stands for Evil Internet Eyedeas No Investigation Necessary

[yiolas]

Hey Guys,
9Nania, has chimed in again from her bunker in West Virginia. She is pleading with everyone who lives near or on a fault zone or near the ocean to take a vacation to a safe place around the date of September 26 for all the well known reasons. We also know that she was saying the same thing a few days before March 11, 2011. Look what happened then. I don't know about you guys, but I have some vacation days left. Wouldn't be a bad idea to visit some of my relatives in the mountains around that time. I would do it in a heart beat if I could get my daughter to join me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g21MiT1kuHM&feature=feedlik

[nearing]

Scheduled activities for Week 31:

M Aug 01 (213) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 8-10 UT
Ahead: 480 kbps downlink on station 14
T Aug 02 (214) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 8-10 UT
Ahead: 480 kbps downlink on station 14
W Aug 03 (215) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 8-10 UT
Ahead: 480 kbps downlink on station 63
T Aug 04 (216) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 8-10 UT
Ahead: 480 kbps downlink on station 43
Behind: 480 kbps downlink on station 14
F Aug 05 (217) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 10-12 UT
Behind: 480 kbps downlink on station 43
S Aug 06 (218) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 8-10 UT
S Aug 07 (219) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 8-10 UT

everyone keep their eyes open, images should be appearing soon in full spectrum color... (http://stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov/plans.shtml)

Again, I will re-iterate: we may get fine photos of Elenin, the comet, with Stereo B and all but unless NASA decides to turn WISE, the infrared telescope, back on, we may be lulled into a sense of complacency because we may not see the Brown Dwarf, that is accompanying Elenin, without infrared. It's cold, remember? It's entirely possible that we will not be able to see it with regular telescopes or our eyes until it's very, very close.

There is good reason why they built and launched WISE (which was built to LOOK FOR Dwarf Stars) for (what?) 9 months before just pulling it's plug. I believe they found exactly what they were looking for and did not want the public to see it.

Anyone know if there is such a thing as an infrared backyard telescope? If so, THEN we would be on to something.

[steveofengland]

Scheduled activities for Week 31:

M Aug 01 (213) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 8-10 UT
Ahead: 480 kbps downlink on station 14
T Aug 02 (214) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 8-10 UT
Ahead: 480 kbps downlink on station 14
W Aug 03 (215) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 8-10 UT
Ahead: 480 kbps downlink on station 63
T Aug 04 (216) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 8-10 UT
Ahead: 480 kbps downlink on station 43
Behind: 480 kbps downlink on station 14
F Aug 05 (217) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 10-12 UT
Behind: 480 kbps downlink on station 43
S Aug 06 (218) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 8-10 UT
S Aug 07 (219) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 8-10 UT

everyone keep their eyes open, images should be appearing soon in full spectrum color... (http://stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov/plans.shtml)

Again, I will re-iterate: we may get fine photos of Elenin, the comet, with Stereo B and all but unless NASA decides to turn WISE, the infrared telescope, back on, we may be lulled into a sense of complacency because we may not see the Brown Dwarf, that is accompanying Elenin, without infrared. It's cold, remember? It's entirely possible that we will not be able to see it with regular telescopes or our eyes until it's very, very close.

There is good reason why they built and launched WISE (which was built to LOOK FOR Dwarf Stars) for (what?) 9 months before just pulling it's plug. I believe they found exactly what they were looking for and did not want the public to see it.

Anyone know if there is such a thing as an infrared backyard telescope? If so, THEN we would be on to something.
It will certainly answer some questions, what the official line about why it was shut down?

[nearing]

Scheduled activities for Week 31:

M Aug 01 (213) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 8-10 UT
Ahead: 480 kbps downlink on station 14
T Aug 02 (214) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 8-10 UT
Ahead: 480 kbps downlink on station 14
W Aug 03 (215) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 8-10 UT
Ahead: 480 kbps downlink on station 63
T Aug 04 (216) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 8-10 UT
Ahead: 480 kbps downlink on station 43
Behind: 480 kbps downlink on station 14
F Aug 05 (217) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 10-12 UT
Behind: 480 kbps downlink on station 43
S Aug 06 (218) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 8-10 UT
S Aug 07 (219) Behind: 135 degree roll to observe comet Elenin, 8-10 UT

everyone keep their eyes open, images should be appearing soon in full spectrum color... (http://stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov/plans.shtml)

Again, I will re-iterate: we may get fine photos of Elenin, the comet, with Stereo B and all but unless NASA decides to turn WISE, the infrared telescope, back on, we may be lulled into a sense of complacency because we may not see the Brown Dwarf, that is accompanying Elenin, without infrared. It's cold, remember? It's entirely possible that we will not be able to see it with regular telescopes or our eyes until it's very, very close.

There is good reason why they built and launched WISE (which was built to LOOK FOR Dwarf Stars) for (what?) 9 months before just pulling it's plug. I believe they found exactly what they were looking for and did not want the public to see it.

Anyone know if there is such a thing as an infrared backyard telescope? If so, THEN we would be on to something.
It will certainly answer some questions, what the official line about why it was shut down?

I never saw the WHY. Which, of course, makes it very suspect to me.

[steveofengland]

According to nasa
"In late September 2010, WISE ran out of the coolant needed to chill its infrared detectors"

Source http://www.space.com/10895-nasa-wise-space-telescope-mission-ends.html

"After WISE's coolant ran out, mission scientists came up with an alternative plan – the NEOWISE mission – to seek out near-Earth asteroids. That mission extension cost substantially less, about $400,000, NASA officials have said"

Some info on infa red telescopes http://coolcosmos.ipac.caltech.edu/cosmic_classroom/ask_astronomer/faq/obs.shtml

Where are the largest infrared telecopes

The largest infrared telescopes are on Mauna Kea in Hawaii at an elevation of about 14,000 feet. It is well above much of the water vapor that absorbs infrared making it a great ground based infrared site.

BUUUTT guess what?
Mauna Kea telescope remains offline...............
HILO -- The Subaru Telescope on Mauna Kea remains out of commission, weeks after an estimated 185 gallons of coolant leaked onto two mirrors and two instruments.
Source http://www.westhawaiitoday.com/sections/news/local-news/mauna-kea-telescope-remains-offline.html

I have yet to establish that this is the infa red scope but will look into it.

[nearing]

According to nasa
"In late September 2010, WISE ran out of the coolant needed to chill its infrared detectors"

Source http://www.space.com/10895-nasa-wise-space-telescope-mission-ends.html

"After WISE's coolant ran out, mission scientists came up with an alternative plan – the NEOWISE mission – to seek out near-Earth asteroids. That mission extension cost substantially less, about $400,000, NASA officials have said"

Some info on infa red telescopes http://coolcosmos.ipac.caltech.edu/cosmic_classroom/ask_astronomer/faq/obs.shtml

Where are the largest infrared telecopes

The largest infrared telescopes are on Mauna Kea in Hawaii at an elevation of about 14,000 feet. It is well above much of the water vapor that absorbs infrared making it a great ground based infrared site.

Wow, ran out of coolant. Hmm, they spent all that $ and didn't think ahead to the coolant? Again, I say very suspect. And the NEOWISE couldn't exactly replace the WISE as the WISE was specifically looking for Dwarf Stars, not NEAs.

Thanks for the info, steve. Gels my suspicions that they indeed found what they were looking for. I feel in my gut that we live in a binary system.

uxt-4xRh3tA

Link for those on iPad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxt-4xRh3tA

[dddanieljjjamesss]

How can we be sure that anyone on youtube is who they say they are?
How can we be sure that their source of information is verifiable?

It's impossible that we DON'T live in a system that has more than one sun-sized object.
We are only part of a higher vortex/spiral, which is only a part of an even higher vortex/spiral.

Something like this is/was happening/bound to happen. Roll with it.
It's going to be amazing but if you want to go hide in a bunker rather than let this energy flow through you at full force, I question why you came here.

[The Truth Is In There]

I see... well, one versed in some good maths and physics only needs the coordinates, compute the speed from time of discovery up to now in order to construct the orbital path and its period; no need to be sarcastic.
yes and that has to be correct because there's absolutely no chance for anything to happen during one million years which might have altered the comet's trajectory.


I am sorry but what exactly is "obviously" happening beside a lot of GooTube hysteria and disinfo?
comet elenin is coming and fulfilling the prophecies of the hopi and the bible, among others. the bible prophecy even has an exact date, sep 29th, 2011, see rev 12.1.


"Planet X" was the first disinfo attached to that body from some insider guy, whether willfully or not because they had the data it was a very cold object with no, to little, perceptible motion ruling it out as either a comet or a planet. The piece of disinfo was to call it a planet enticing people to look for a planet that didn't exist. Blown to propaganda proportion by MSM "newspapers." Makes sense?

Now, about the Zetas, did you ever read what a former outspoken disseminator of their "predictions" and "data" ended up publishing about them? Here is the link for the record:

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/planetXsequel15jul;04.shtml

where you could find some info about Nancy Lieder being an unaware (benefit of the doubt) CIA mind controlled asset.

Nibiru is a hoax invented by Sitchin and/or his channeled entity, again see Post #650 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Proof-that-Comet-Elenin-doesn-t-exists--We-have-Nibiru-instead-&p=272050&viewfull=1#post272050) as well as this one:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?24489-Was-Sitchin-wrong&p=257351&viewfull=1#post257351

I understand now where you are coming from; but, then, why not call that cold object by its closest descriptive name? That is, a brown dwarf. So as to avoid the propaganda, disinfo and agendas attached to all these other names. As you may be aware of, calling it any names known in the MSM, you do further the purpose of the propaganda, disinfo and agenda attached to that name. Therefore, it isn't exactly just a "name."

Nothing against standing by your opinion...

Here is what the discoverer had to say about his discovery and what people ended making out of it. Here's from the horse's mouth:

...


That's for Elenin.

Now, the Brown Dwarf... that's another story because of its interaction with Our Sun which dictates what's occurring with the planets around it. Electromagnetism being the main engine.

That's my take for the moment; it might change without notice as new data are made available. :nod:

why do you care which name the thing has? does it creat less "fear" or something in people if you call it a brown dwarf? what's important is that it is out there and going to cause a pole shift and worldwide chaos (and silence all those who yell "disinfo!", i might add.) honestly, i couldn't care less how it's called as long as it fulfills its purpose. (ok, now i'm waiting for a comment that says i'm negative.)

as for the zetas, a part of what they say is certainly not correct but they're right time and time again when it comes to earth changes and i don't doubt that what they predict about the pole shift will be correct as well. still, i think there's more going on than what we see on the physical level and that's why i believe in prophecies above all else.

leonid elenin, that was a good one! i do not for one second believe that there is an amateur named leonid elenin who discovered that comet. i've read a lot of bs coming from nasa and other official sources but the great discoverer "leonid elenin" ranks close to the top, right behind satan claus and the easter bunny.

[Hervé]

[....]

Thank you for letting us know where your level of responsibility is at.

See you after the pole shift as I am not interested in pursuing a no-discussion!

[Davidallany]

Some say that we create are own reality, and that what we think, dwell on, obsess about, gets thrown out into the universe and is acted on in some way as part of Universal Law
Indeed, the sooner one realizes this, the sooner one takes control of one's reality, instead of letting a broker does it on behalf.

[loveandgratitude]

Stereo B's location in relation to Elenin on Aug 1st, 2011.

Elenin Aug 1st Position to Stereo B

First image of comet Elenin from the Space
http://spaceobs.org/en/2011/07/29/first-image-of-comet-elenin-from-the-space/
The test roll was succesful, let's wait for August 2
http://spaceobs.org/en/2011/07/28/the-test-roll-was-succesful-lets-wait-for-a...
STEREO Planet Finder http://stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov/beacon/planets/
Latest SECCHI beacon images http://stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov/beacon


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQWzzqkIbsw

[Malachi]

We'll know sooner or later>>> Just a footnote...ELENIN Extinction Level Event Nibiru Is Near ...hmmmm

viking

hi Viking,

in Hungary it's something like Kihalást Előidéző Esemény A Nibiru Közel Jár - does not add up. if the Nibiru's effects cause worldwide catastrophe, it's not fair that only those know about this well before, who speak english. :p

[greybeard]

Coast to Coast
Planet X etc

Give George N his due, he gets some credible people on his show,

Chris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCQiWkVKuaE

[DoubleHelix]

No shortage of fuel for this fire hey, the never-ending jerrycan !

ELE ( 11 ) NIN ( 9).... 9-11 | anniversary of 9 11 anyone?

[dddanieljjjamesss]

someone is holding on to their 'truth' so hard that they can't let anyone else have theirs

i'm deleting this thread from my head and going back to bed because thats where I like to dream

[jsb_swampfox]

Just found this


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwJEVPjbQCE&feature=feedu

[Referee]

Dutchsinse posted this today 8/1/11 pretty interesting. I did not know there was a report on MSM.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwJEVPjbQCE&feature=feedu


Source:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwJEVPjbQCE&feature=feedu

[Rocky_Shorz]

just checked out the story... admits at the beginning he doesn't know what is coming and continues building on speculation to reach fear level... don't forget the Ammo... :lol:


anyone ever wonder why they don't have any cameras in the Shuttle that was just up on its final mission?

or did they? ;)

[Hervé]

If geometry has anything to do with Elenin short-circuiting the Solar capacitor in accordance with McCanney and John H. Nelson (http://www.sott.net/articles/show/229308-Planetary-Alignments-and-the-Solar-Capacitor-Things-are-heatin-up-) then the following dates might prove of some interest:



[...]
ETA:

Looking at that JPL Elenin orbit, it seems there's an alignment Saturn-Elenin-Mercury-Sun-Jupiter square Earth around July 6-9... good days for healers and lightworkers to practice...


In that same vein, just eye-balling for a rough estimate, here are other "alignments" I noticed:

Aug. 13-17: Venus-Sun-Mercury-Earth square Elenin

Sept. 27 : Mercury-Sun-Elenin-Earth-Uranus square Mars

Oct. 2-6 : Saturn-Venus-Mercury-Sun-Elenin-Earth-Jupiter square Mars-(Sun)-Pluto

Nov. 8 : Venus-Mecury-Earth-Elenin square Mars-Sun-Neptune

Nov. 30 - Dec. 2 : Sun-Mercury-Eath-Elenin square Venus

Feb. 11-17: Sun-Venus-Elenin square Mars-Earth-(Sun)-Mercury-Neptune

The thing to remember is that J.H. Nelson worked with heliocentric coordinates.

Refer to: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/229308-Planetary-Alignments-and-the-Solar-Capacitor-Things-are-heatin-up-

Now revised (v. 0.2):

Aug. 17-20: Venus-Sun-Mercury-Earth square Elenin-(Sun)-(+/-Mars)

Sept. 25-27 : Mercury-Sun-Elenin-Earth-Uranus square Mars

Oct. 2-6 : Saturn-Venus-Mercury-Sun-Elenin-Earth-Jupiter square Mars-(Sun)-Pluto

Nov. 8 : Venus-Mercury-Earth-Elenin square Sun-Neptune

Nov. 30 - Dec. 2 : Sun-Mercury-Earth-Elenin square Venus

Dec.14-__: Mars-Mercury-Sun square Jupiter

Jan 1 - __: Saturn-Mercury-Sun square Earth

Feb. 11-17: Sun-Venus-Elenin square Mars-Earth-(Sun)-Mercury-Neptune

Oct. 12 - __: Mars-Mercury-Sun-Venus-Elenin square Uranus

[Hervé]

One good thing:

We can expect some good pictures of Elenin from Stero B as the former hasn't toasted the latter to charred smithereens... yet?


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[Hervé]

Elenin, hard data:


C/2010 X1 (Elenin)
Orbit by Kazuo Kino****a (http://jcometobs.web.fc2.com/cmt/k10x1.htm)

[^^^^...sorry, the AI moderator refuses to correctly spell the guy's name]
[I out foxed the AI moderator :) -Paul.]

http://cometography.com/lcomets/2010x1_20110307ad.jpg
Copyright © 2011 by Alfons Diepvens (Balen, Belgium)
A. Diepvens obtained this image of the comet on 2011 March 7.96. He was using a 20-cm refractor and a Canon 7D digital camera. This image was a 57 minute exposure at ISO 1600.


Discovery
Leonid Elenin (Lyubertsy, Russia) discovered this comet on four images obtained during the period of 2010 December 10.42-10.46 using the 45-cm astrograph and a CCD camera at the International Scientific Optical Network's robotic observatory near Mayhill, New Mexico. The magnitude was given as 19.5-19.6. The first confirmation came from A. Sergeyev and A. Novichonok(Majdanak Observatory, Uzbekistan), when they obtained four images during December 10.99-11.00 using the 1.5-m reflector and a CCD camera. The magnitude was given as 19.1 and the comet was described as a "teardrop-shaped, very diffuse coma." This coma was 6 arc seconds across and exhibited a nuclear condensation of magnitude 20.7, while a tail extended 10-12 arc seconds toward PA 298 degrees.


Historical Highlights
The first parabolic orbit was calculated by G. V. Williams on 2010 December 17. He took 33 positions from the period spanning 2010 December 10-12 and determined the perihelion date as 2010 April 1.81. The perihelion distance was given as 5.15 AU. Williams added, "It is possible that this comet is of short period." The Minor Planet Center released a revised orbit on December 18 that showed a quite different orbit. The perihelion date was given as 2011 September 5.47, while the perihelion distance was 0.45 AU. This was based on 57 positions from the period of December 10-17. This orbit was confirmed on December 24. We now know that the comet is moving in a very long-period orbit, with a perihelion date of 2011 September 10.75, a perihelion date of 0.48 AU, and a period of about one million years.

Several observatories kept the comet under observation through the remainder of 2010, as the comet slightly brightened to about magnitude 19.

The comet has been well observed by observatories from the beginning of 2011 to the present, with visual observers finally picking up the comet on April 5. The comet began the year at a nuclear magnitude of about 19, and brightened to about 18 by February 1, 17 by March 1, and 16.5 by April 1. The January and February observations typical revealed a coma about 0.3' across and a tail extending 0.3-0.5'. The first visual observation was acquired by J. J. Gonzalez (Alto del Castro - Aralla, Leon, Spain) on April 5. He was using his 20-cm reflector, giving the magnitude as 14.9 and noting a strongly condensed coma 0.3' across. Gonzalez has remained the most active observer, reporting magnitudes of 13.7 on April 26, 13.2 on May 22, and 10.5 on June 25. During the same period, he noted the coma diameter was 1.3' in April, 1.2' in May, and 2.5' in June. Gonzalez noted on June 25 that the comet was "brighter than expected" and that the larger coma represented the dimension of a faint outer region that had become visible.



Upcoming Highlights
The comet will reach its most southerly declination of -5.7 degrees on September 10, the same day that it passes perihelion (0.48 AU).

The comet will pass less than 2 degrees from the sun on September 26.

The comet will pass 0.23 AU from Earth on October 16.

The comet will reach its most northerly declination of +30.9 degrees on October 28.

The comet will reach a maximum elongation of 175 degrees on November 22.

Whole article: http://cometography.com/lcomets/2010x1.html

[Rocky_Shorz]

first image from stereo...

http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/img/stereoimages/preview/elenin_1aug2011_zoom


As Comet Elenin passed to within just 7 million kilometers of the STEREO (Behind) spacecraft, NASA rolled the spacecraft to take a look at it (Aug. 1, 2011) with its wide angle HI-2 instrument. Though the observation lasted only a little over an hour, the fuzzy looking comet can be seen moving across a small portion of the sky. STEREO will be taking these one-hour observations every day for almost the next week or more until it enters its nominal field of view, at which time we should enjoy continuous viewing of the comet. Over time, we expect the comet to be visible in the SOHO C3 coronagraph on September 23 for six days and possibly STEREO's COR2 coronagraph as well. The closest the comet will come to Earth is 0.23 AU (Astronomical Units), or approximately 34-million kilometers, so it poses no threat to us. We will attempt to keep this page updated with the latest observations...link (http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/gallery/item.php?id=selects&iid=154)

they say that is closer than it will get to earth...

so if it turns straight at us, it isn't just a rock...

[Hervé]

Damn!

You beat me to it!

Good job, thank you!

Proves that Stereo B hasn't been fried yet....

[Hervé]

[...]

[^^^^...sorry, the AI moderator refuses to correctly spell the guy's name]
[I out foxed the AI moderator :) -Paul.]



Thanks Paul!

Glad that ruminants are smarter than some predators...:yo:

[Malachi]

quick question - does anyone know, what is the Planet X's/Nibiru's rotation period?

[Hervé]

quick question - does anyone know, what is the Planet X's/Nibiru's rotation period?

Hi Malachi and welcome aboard!

I am not sure exactly which object you are referring as none of those have been observed.

However, in case it is the Brown Dwarf, its suspected period would be 24,000 years as inferred from the precession of the equinoxes returning to square one (see Post #650 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Proof-that-Comet-Elenin-doesn-t-exists--We-have-Nibiru-instead-&p=272050&viewfull=1#post272050)).

[Malachi]

quick question - does anyone know, what is the Planet X's/Nibiru's rotation period?

Hi Malachi and welcome aboard!

I am not sure exactly which object you are referring as none of those have been observed.

However, in case it is the Brown Dwarf, its suspected period would be 24,000 years as inferred from the precession of the equinoxes returning to square one (see Post #650 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Proof-that-Comet-Elenin-doesn-t-exists--We-have-Nibiru-instead-&p=272050&viewfull=1#post272050)).

hi Amzer Zo, I like your posts. :)

yes, my question was about this brown dwarf. correct me if I am wrong, but if a brown dwarf with a size and mass of many-many Jupiters came to our system in every 24 thousand years, in that case our Solar System would not exist in this form. 24 thousand years is nothing on the planets' time scale, I think. our Solar System is too still and peaceful place for something big stuff like this. Am I wrong? I'm not an astrophysicist, just wondering...

[Hervé]

[...]

hi Amzer Zo, I like your posts. :)

yes, my question was about this brown dwarf. correct me if I am wrong, but if a brown dwarf with a size and mass of many-many Jupiters came to our system in every 24 thousand years, in that case our Solar System would not exist in this form. 24 thousand years is nothing on the planets' time scale, I think. our Solar System is too still and peaceful place for something big stuff like this. Am I wrong? I'm not an astrophysicist, just wondering...

Let me put it this way, our solar system as a binary system, has become stable as such for a long, long time with both stars orbiting around each other. Check this animation to get a visual on how this works:

http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.o...n/theory.shtml (http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.org/bri/research/introduction/theory.shtml)

As such, the rule of the relationship between our Sun, its companion and their respective planets is: NEVER THE TWAIN SHALL MEET!


Hence all you can read about a large object coming in between Earth and Sun and using our Sun planetary system as a bowling alley is just propaganda and disinfo to foster fear and hysteria.

However, heavy cometary and asteroid showers and ensuing catastrophes can result from the twin stars shaving each other's Oort cloud as depicted in this other animation:

http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.o...heeredge.shtml (http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.o...heeredge.shtml)

Hope this helps clarify the waters puposefully muddied?

[RedeZra]

comet elenin is coming and fulfilling the prophecies of the hopi and the bible, among others. the bible prophecy even has an exact date, sep 29th, 2011, see rev 12.1.


there is nothing in the Bible that spell out or suggest a destruction date

see you in October ; )




I feel in my gut that we live in a binary system.

Sri Yukteshwar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukteswar_Giri) - one of India's finest sages - wrote a book 'the Holy Science' over 100 years ago where he introduced the idea that the sun takes a ‘star for its dual’ and revolves around it in a period of 24 000 years... which accounts for the precession of the equinox

[Malachi]

[...]

hi Amzer Zo, I like your posts. :)

yes, my question was about this brown dwarf. correct me if I am wrong, but if a brown dwarf with a size and mass of many-many Jupiters came to our system in every 24 thousand years, in that case our Solar System would not exist in this form. 24 thousand years is nothing on the planets' time scale, I think. our Solar System is too still and peaceful place for something big stuff like this. Am I wrong? I'm not an astrophysicist, just wondering...

Let me put it this way, our solar system as a binary system, has become stable as such for a long, long time with both stars orbiting around each other. Check this animation to get a visual on how this works:

http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.o...n/theory.shtml (http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.org/bri/research/introduction/theory.shtml)

As such, the rule of the relationship between our Sun, its companion and their respective planets is: NEVER THE TWAIN SHALL MEET!


Hence all you can read about a large object coming in between Earth and Sun and using our Sun planetary system as a bowling alley is just propaganda and disinfo to foster fear and hysteria.

However, heavy cometary and asteroid showers and ensuing catastrophes can result from the twin stars shaving each other's Oort cloud as depicted in this other animation:

http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.o...heeredge.shtml (http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.o...heeredge.shtml)

Hope this helps clarify the waters puposefully muddied?

yes, and thank you for your time and patience. personally I think there is a bit too much hype around the Elenin and the closing deadly catastrophe (Nibiru, Planet X) - if the predictions are right, and the worst happens, nothing in this world can save us, but so far I didn't read any REALLY credible info about this.

everyone trying to figure out what will happen. me too. so we are on the same page, everyone who has concerns about the future. it is not a race or a war about beliefs, I think our goal is the same. my only wish is that i'd like to see a bit more hard data and a lot less fearmongering on the internet.

to me, your posts Amzer Zo are solid. thank you, again.

[WhiteFeather]

Very Cool,,,,,,Looks Like A Bird Or A Phoenix! Great Shot.

[Rocky_Shorz]

2012 is just a distraction to keep all of us too busy to take back our world...

right now is the time, that is what the Mayan Calendar predicted...

not destruction, just unfolding of truths into enlightenment on a global scale...

[Calz]

This has been posted in various places on the forum. It could even have been posted earlier in this thread (which is too big now for my feeble memory).

Just in case anyone has not seen this I will post it once again because it has a *lot* to do with "comets" not only in analysis of how they are comprised of but also historically why humans have been so fearful of their appearances. Take note of the comet *tails*.

I would recommend watching the whole thing (only an hour) if you have not seen it. Goes into the historical portion of comets in the last 15 minutes or so.

Taking these "theories" into consideration would have bearing not only on comets but our entire way of thinking of space and cosmology (yes margaret ... even alleged brown dwarf stars).



http://vimeo.com/16256646

[Mandala]

Dutchsinse posted this video today.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwJEVPjbQCE

[Rocky_Shorz]

someone opened a thread on it, iReport

check out this 2 hour time lapse...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYuE2JYdeVc

I didn't realize we could see it move that much in a few hours

[Mandala]

I don't know anything about Captain Bill from Brazil; however this was interesting, if a little woo woo because the questions were answered by an alen from Andromeda. Don't shoot the messenger.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o-idqvcL6w








Sorry Nearing, love you too much to leave you out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o-idqvcL6w&feature=player_embedded

[nearing]

May I ask a favor of those posting on this thread (heck, on this forum)? When embedding a video, please ALSO paste the link so that those of us using an iPad can go see the video too? For whatever reason, embedded vids do not show up on iPad, they are invisible.

thank you all!

[Hervé]

Thunerbolts of the Gods (http://vimeo.com/16256646)... definitely a must see, best show in town.

Now... what if... all these stories about catastrophes and their cycles were a mix from different extraterestrial cultures... all mixed up with the ones native to Earth? With Earth being the rescue mother-ship?

How's that for a thought?

Moreover, what if, instead of being regularly bombarded with Oort clouds shavings, we were bombarded with the meteorized remnants of a planetary, "man"-made catastrophe?

About most everyone has heard of the "destruction" of Atlantis... of the "destruction" of Lemuria... what about the "destruction" of Marduck/Maldek?

If there's any truth to this; then, even a "cyclical" occurrence of catastrophes on Earth is part of a propaganda and disinfo on the origins of these catastrophes. Some sort of cosmic 9-11 if you will....

If you are inclined to learn more on this topic, listen to this guy:

You've heard of him... J.P. Farrell...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PgNt-FPtq0&feature=related or:


0PgNt-FPtq0&feature=related


Farrell makes reference to Tom van Flandern with respect to the computation of the point of origin of families of meteorids; here is the most recent paper I could find on this:

http://metaresearch.org/solar%20system/eph/eph2000.asp

Hope you'll enjoy watching all the new worms coming out of this can... :hungry:

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thank you all!

Thought of you and those in the same boat/pad in my above posting... :p

[nearing]

Thunerbolts of the Gods (http://vimeo.com/16256646)... definitely a must see, best show in town.

Now... what if... all these stories about catastrophes and their cycles were a mix from different extraterestrial cultures... all mixed up with the ones native to Earth? With Earth being the rescue mother-ship?

How's that for a thought?

Moreover, what if, instead of being regularly bombarded with Oort clouds shavings, we were bombarded with the meteorized remnants of a planetary, "man"-made catastrophe?

About most everyone has heard of the "destruction" of Atlantis... of the "destruction" of Lemuria... what about the "destruction" of Marduck/Maldek?

If there's any truth to this; then, even a "cyclical" occurrence of catastrophes on Earth is part of a propaganda and disinfo on the origins of these catastrophes. Some sort of cosmic 9-11 if you will....

If you are inclined to learn more on this topic, listen to this guy:

You've heard of him... J.P. Farrell...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PgNt-FPtq0&feature=related or:


0PgNt-FPtq0&feature=related


Farrell makes reference to Tom van Flandern with respect to the computation of the point of origin of families of meteorids; here is the most recent paper I could find on this:

http://metaresearch.org/solar%20system/eph/eph2000.asp

Hope you'll enjoy watching all the new worms coming out of this can... :hungry:

¤=[Post Update]=¤


May I ask a favor of those posting on this thread (heck, on this forum)? When embedding a video, please ALSO paste the link so that those of us using an iPad can go see the video too? For whatever reason, embedded vids do not show up on iPad, they are invisible.

thank you all!

Thought of you and those in the same boat/pad in my above posting... :p

Thank you, AZ! :-)

[loveandgratitude]

TerralO3 " Please Answer The Question " 8/2/2011

If Elenin came closer to Stereo B than it will Ever come to earth , And did NO Damage , How could it Ever Hurt Earth ?? Minus a Direct Impact of some sort !! Calling it a Dwarf Star with 7 Planet bodies , and it just passed Stereo B doing NOthing to it at all ! Not 1 Glitch !!

TERRAL03 PLEASE ANSWER THIS???


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFiwIMiHbvo

[Calz]

May I ask a favor of those posting on this thread (heck, on this forum)? When embedding a video, please ALSO paste the link so that those of us using an iPad can go see the video too? For whatever reason, embedded vids do not show up on iPad, they are invisible.

thank you all!

Sorry nearing.

When I am at work (much of my time on avalon) I am behind a firewall and cannot access youtubes so I can "feel your pain."

Normally when I post a vid it is from home ... in this case I just copied it over from another thread I had previously posted it in.

[Hervé]

One good thing:

We can expect some good pictures of Elenin from Stero B as the former hasn't toasted the latter to charred smithereens... yet?



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Damn!

You beat me to it!

Good job, thank you!

Proves that Stereo B hasn't been fried yet....


TerralO3 " Please Answer The Question " 8/2/2011

If Elenin came closer to Stereo B than it will Ever come to earth , And did NO Damage , How could it Ever Hurt Earth ?? Minus a Direct Impact of some sort !! Calling it a Dwarf Star with 7 Planet bodies , and it just passed Stereo B doing NOthing to it at all ! Not 1 Glitch !!

TERRAL03 PLEASE ANSWER THIS???


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFiwIMiHbvo

We are agreed!

[Hervé]

[...]... if a little woo woo because the questions were answered by an alen from Andromeda. Don't shoot the messenger.



Hi messenger!

Question: Why, then, spread the message?

However, I do thank you for posting that one as ,now, I know where these bizarre ideas are coming from. :p

[The Truth Is In There]

comet elenin is coming and fulfilling the prophecies of the hopi and the bible, among others. the bible prophecy even has an exact date, sep 29th, 2011, see rev 12.1.


there is nothing in the Bible that spell out or suggest a destruction date

see you in October ; )



you don't even know what i'm referring to, do you? i didn't say that there's going to be total destruction in september or because of elenin. elenin is the blue kachina, the precursor of planet x/nibiru, the harbinger of doom. it merely announces the beginning of the great tribulation which is predicted to last 7 years. the destroyer itself will show up soon enough, perhaps a year later, but we're going to get a foretaste in september and march during the next alignments.

[loveandgratitude]

Earthquake update - 6.2, 6.4, 6.7 and 6.8 this week

She shows great websites that you can go to and check the latest data of what is happening on our planet.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2QtD1vl-6o&NR=1

Volcano / Earthquake Watch July 30-Aug 4 , 2011


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsnyMFK7qQ8&feature=related

argeting Coronal Hole (CH468) which could produce two significant earthquakes over 6.6 in magnitude.
First region is plotted to 27-34° North Latitude
Possible regions that could be at risk for a significant earthquake are:
Bonin Islands Japan, Izu Islands Japan, Sichuan China, Western Turkey Or a possible volcanic eruption in the Canary Islands(La Palma / Hierro)

Second region plotted to 35-38° North Latitude.
Possible locations that could be at risk for a significant earthquake Aug 2-4 are :
Honshu-Japan or Central/Northern California-America

OLR anomaly indicates Papua New Guinea could receive a significant earthquake during this watch period

Two other regions that could recieve a smaller event
(5.5M) are Vancouver Island-Canada or the Sandwich Islands region

[greybeard]

Another question.
Much is made of a straight alignment comet sun earth causing earth quakes.
Logically the sun and the comet are always is alignment and drawing closer together, the sun seems to cause the earth quakes.
Now if the sun and the comet are always in alignment why does it have to be a straight through line comet sun earth in order to trigger the reaction on earth?
Why does not the sun just get triggered by the comet to release its out bursts at earth regardless of where earth is in relation to the comet, after all we are always aligned with the sun?

If you take snooker as an example, the cue ball and the red are not necessarily in line with the pocket in oder to sink the red. If the red is hit at the right angle it will be sunk in the pocket.

Chris

[ulli]

The laws that govern snooker balls are mechanical,
while cosmic movements hold deeper mysteries...
to do with what is called sacred geometry.

I recently posted a BBC documentary on chaos theory
which briefly touches upon this...
Carmody posted a similar video as well
On the astrology thread.

[Hervé]

Another question.
Much is made of a straight alignment comet sun earth causing earth quakes.
Logically the sun and the comet are always is alignment and drawing closer together, the sun seems to cause the earth quakes.
Now if the sun and the comet are always in alignment why does it have to be a straight through line comet sun earth in order to trigger the reaction on earth?
Why does not the sun just get triggered by the comet to release its out bursts at earth regardless of where earth is in relation to the comet, after all we are always aligned with the sun?

If you take snooker as an example, the cue ball and the red are not necessarily in line with the pocket in oder to sink the red. If the red is hit at the right angle it will be sunk in the pocket.

Chris

Correct, greybeard. Harmonic angles work as well, but to a lesser extent

Check out this video as well as the article referred to at the bottom of the quote. Scroll down the article to where it relates the "Adventures in shortwave Radio Research" and the discovery of John Nelson to get the gist of the correlation between Mercury and solar storms.


Another tack from Redice with Maurice Cotterell:


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Author, Engineer and Scientist, Maurice Cotterell will discuss his latest book, FutureScience. FutureScience explains several topics such as how electricity and magnetism work together to produce the force of gravity, why the atom is comprised of 8 orbital shells, the nature of so-called 'dark matter', the reason why spiral galaxies are spiral shaped, why the centre of the Earth is red-hot, and how the Earth's magnetic field is generated. These are some of the topics we'll discuss with Maurice in this interview. He'll begin talking about the need for holistic science that incorporates engineering, chemistry, physics, history, spirituality, etc. and talk about the "God within us" that allows us to figure things out. He'll tell us why CERN is a waste of money and time. Additionally, Maurice will talk about the Sun, its cycles, its effect on fertility, how it causes global-warming-and-global-cooling and its relationship to Mercury. Maurice will also tell us why the magnetic poles won't be flipping anytime soon and will dispel the myth about 2012.


The connection between Sun and Mercury, as the cause for Earth electromagnetic storms, was empirically discovered by John H. Nelson in the 60s:

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/229308-Planetary-Alignments-and-the-Solar-Capacitor-Things-are-heatin-up-

The first portion of the article gives you an idea on how the Solar capacitor may be put in place by a highly charge object.

Hence not all alignments can affect the Sun and hence the Earth.

Check out the alignments I roughly eye-balled taking John Nelson's idea into account. The first one I made in June bracketed the Kermadec 7.8 earthquake... so I became curiouser:


If geometry has anything to do with Elenin short-circuiting the Solar capacitor in accordance with McCanney and John H. Nelson (http://www.sott.net/articles/show/229308-Planetary-Alignments-and-the-Solar-Capacitor-Things-are-heatin-up-) then the following dates might prove of some interest:



[...]
ETA:

Looking at that JPL Elenin orbit, it seems there's an alignment Saturn-Elenin-Mercury-Sun-Jupiter square Earth around July 6-9... good days for healers and lightworkers to practice...


In that same vein, just eye-balling for a rough estimate, here are other "alignments" I noticed:

Aug. 13-17: Venus-Sun-Mercury-Earth square Elenin

Sept. 27 : Mercury-Sun-Elenin-Earth-Uranus square Mars

Oct. 2-6 : Saturn-Venus-Mercury-Sun-Elenin-Earth-Jupiter square Mars-(Sun)-Pluto

Nov. 8 : Venus-Mecury-Earth-Elenin square Mars-Sun-Neptune

Nov. 30 - Dec. 2 : Sun-Mercury-Eath-Elenin square Venus

Feb. 11-17: Sun-Venus-Elenin square Mars-Earth-(Sun)-Mercury-Neptune

The thing to remember is that J.H. Nelson worked with heliocentric coordinates.

Refer to: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/229308-Planetary-Alignments-and-the-Solar-Capacitor-Things-are-heatin-up-

Now revised (v. 0.2):

Aug. 17-20: Venus-Sun-Mercury-Earth square Elenin-(Sun)-(+/-Mars)

Sept. 25-27 : Mercury-Sun-Elenin-Earth-Uranus square Mars

Oct. 2-6 : Saturn-Venus-Mercury-Sun-Elenin-Earth-Jupiter square Mars-(Sun)-Pluto

Nov. 8 : Venus-Mercury-Earth-Elenin square Sun-Neptune

Nov. 30 - Dec. 2 : Sun-Mercury-Earth-Elenin square Venus

Dec.14-__: Mars-Mercury-Sun square Jupiter

Jan 1 - __: Saturn-Mercury-Sun square Earth

Feb. 11-17: Sun-Venus-Elenin square Mars-Earth-(Sun)-Mercury-Neptune

Oct. 12 - __: Mars-Mercury-Sun-Venus-Elenin square Uranus

[greybeard]

Thanks for the replies.
That makes it a bit clearer.
Seems there are situations/alignments where the potential is higher for earth being affected.
Next thought.
If the alignment from the far side of the sun has potential then if the comet is actually between the sun ad earth could that not actually lessen the potential for the sun to send energy in our direction? ie the comet energy seems to have to hit the sun first before the sun affects earth.
I am just using logic I know nothing of the science of it.
Chris

[Hervé]

To take an analogy from older combustion engines, Mercury plays the role of the spark distributor and is the main agent as to which cylinder/planet is gonna get it. You know... Mercury... the "messenger"...

Now, intruders like Elenin could be considered the spanner the mechanics threw in out of frustration at getting the engine fine tuned... :smash:

However, why such things haven't occurred with other comets remains to be addressed.

[Hervé]

Thanks for the replies.
That makes it a bit clearer.
Seems there are situations/alignments where the potential is higher for earth being affected.
Next thought.
If the alignment from the far side of the sun has potential then if the comet is actually between the sun and earth could that not actually lessen the potential for the sun to send energy in our direction? ie the comet energy seems to have to hit the sun first before the sun affects earth.
I am just using logic I know nothing of the science of it.
Chris

Logic is the best of tools and you seem to do a fine job with it as I couldn't agree more with your deduction.

Not only that but also, as with any capacitor/condenser, once it's discharged... no more juice to inject in the circuit.

That's probably why Stereo B hasn't been turned into a ball of melted electronics.

Hence , the August "alignment" may be critical in determining if the Mercury amplification-distribution is somehow still exacerbated by this intruder/spanner or if the battery is now flat.


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Unless, of course, it's being used as an excuse for some planned technology-induced catastrophe. In that case, it's just been a scarecrow all along.

[nearing]

This Terral guy is starting to bug me. He just uploaded this and didn't say who authored it. I imagine he did, but he should SAY SO! And what makes this 'secret'?

cKSK9CV5AD4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKSK9CV5AD4

[Davy]

This is the CNN website on Elennin like the video posted but I found it very interactive with lots of links and more information than I have seen in any one place on the subject. It puts so much in perspective.

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-640370

[Hervé]

This Terral guy is starting to bug me. He just uploaded this and didn't say who authored it. I imagine he did, but he should SAY SO! And what makes this 'secret'?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKSK9CV5AD4

Hello nearing!

That's the same anonimously authored scrib/PDF paper referred to a few pages back that chuck ended up calling hogwash, as the individual doesn't have a clue of what s/he is talking about yet gives off the aura of alternate "expert."

It seems to me the propaganda is well orchestrated on as many avenues of the alternative MSM as possible. Total disregard to factual observations and pushing implausible ideas to the max... the sad thing is the followers... sad state of discernment.

Another experiment in population steering, I think.

I also think that disinfo started as a way of covering up certain sensitive activities, then quickly expanded into propaganda to mislead and confuse anyone not in the know in order to swamp and drown to oblivion any possible truth telling voice... the small bush lost into that gigantic webwide forest of popularity contest.

[RedeZra]

you don't even know what i'm referring to, do you? i didn't say that there's going to be total destruction in september or because of elenin. elenin is the blue kachina, the precursor of planet x/nibiru, the harbinger of doom. it merely announces the beginning of the great tribulation which is predicted to last 7 years. the destroyer itself will show up soon enough, perhaps a year later, but we're going to get a foretaste in september and march during the next alignments.

ok you have already made up your mind and nothing can be said or shown to change that ; )

[TigaHawk]

And after the 2012 event, we all wake up to find that we ourselves our aliens, sitting in school, having just finished a single history class about a now extinct race of aliens that never got very far because they couldent evolve enough to accept eachother with love, rather than war :P

[The Truth Is In There]

you don't even know what i'm referring to, do you? i didn't say that there's going to be total destruction in september or because of elenin. elenin is the blue kachina, the precursor of planet x/nibiru, the harbinger of doom. it merely announces the beginning of the great tribulation which is predicted to last 7 years. the destroyer itself will show up soon enough, perhaps a year later, but we're going to get a foretaste in september and march during the next alignments.

ok you have already made up your mind and nothing can be said or shown to change that ; )

so far you haven't said or shown anything to disprove either the prophecies or the theory that elenin is the blue kachina and planet x the red kachina. until you can do that i suggest we stop this conversation and get back to topic.

as regards the alignments greybeard asked about, my take on this is that the magnetic fields of the sun and planet x influence earth's magnetism when earth is inbetween these two or aligned with them which causes increased seismic activity. the more direct the alignment the stronger the magnetic pull the more intense the seismic activity.

noteworthy is that apparently the magnetic field of px spins clockwise while that of the sun spins counterclockwise. hence, in september when the sun is between px and the earth the alignment won't cause as much seismic activity as in march next year when earth is right in the middle of the two clashing magnetic fields.

however, the closer px comes to the sun the more the sun itself will react to the magnetic field of px and so we're going to see more cme's which cause increased seismic activity all by themselves when directed towards earth.

that's why prophecies say that the time of troubles or the great tribulation starts with the arrival of the blue kachina, because along with it the magnetic field of px arrives as well, and ends after about 7 years when earth and the sun are no longer under the influence of the magnetic field of px.

the reason why elenin reacts differently than other comets, moves more slowly, and causes increased sun activity could be that its magnetism is far stronger than that of the average comet that has no brown dwarf in tow.

[loveandgratitude]

The Picture of Comet Elenin You Have All Been Waiting For – Aug 1

On the 1st of August, STEREO-B rolled over to point it’s cameras towards comet Elenin for the first day in a two week mission. It has taken a day or so to make it onto the Internet but finally the first picture of Elenin taken from STEREO-B is available.

Note that Elenin was just 7 million km away at the time this picture was taken by STEREO-B while in October Elenin will be 34 million km away from Earth.

We show the picture below and you can see the original picture at http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/gallery/stereoimages_other.shtml

Due to how close the STEREO-B spacecraft is to Elenin we have to say that this is a bit of a disappointing picture and as we stated before it appears that Elenin is going to be a fizzer which is why you have not heard much about it from the scientific community.

Thanks go to NASA and those involved with the STEREO spacecraft for releasing their picture of Elenin. Please check their site for updates and further pictures of Elenin over the next 2 weeks.

http://sydneystargazers.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/stereo-b-elenin-aug-1.jpg

STEREO - http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/gallery/item.php?id=stereoimages&iid=161

As Comet Elenin passed to within just 7 million kilometers of the STEREO (Behind) spacecraft, NASA rolled the spacecraft to take a look at it (Aug. 1, 2011) with its wide angle HI-2 instrument. Though the observation lasted only a little over an hour, the fuzzy looking comet can be seen moving across a small portion of the sky. STEREO will be taking these one-hour observations every day for almost the next week or more until it enters its nominal field of view, at which time we should enjoy continuous viewing of the comet. Over time, we expect the comet to be visible in the SOHO C3 coronagraph on September 23 for six days and possibly STEREO's COR2 coronagraph as well. The closest the comet will come to Earth is 0.023 AU (Astronomical Units), or approximately 34-million kilometers, so it poses no threat to us. We will attempt to keep this page updated with the latest observations.

We do expect the comet to appear to become significantly brighter over the next few days as it gets closer to the Sun-spacecraft line as a consequence of a process known as "foward-scattering". STEREO-B, which is far from Earth, happens to see this "back-lighting" effect as a consequence of its location relative to the comet, and is not indicative of a sudden change in the comet itself.

Russian astronomer Leonid Elenin discovered the comet last December at International Scientific Optical Network's robotic observatory near Mayhill, New Mexico.

From Earth, presently the comet is a faint smudge of light in deep sky exposures. By late August comet Elenin could be visible to the naked eye as a dim "fuzzy star" with a tail.

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

OK lets throw something different into the mix. Amenjo from Atticus's site edited out the silly comments and put this together for easy reading. It's from godlike productions originally. Thought it might make a good read. I found it fascinatingly realistic and was intrigued by this very different view on it all.

Get a cup of tea, and enjoy.


Captain S
User ID: 1488297
United States
7/30/2011 10:58 AM
Due to all the internet hype the Navy actually sent a recon mission to elenin. Let's just say it won't cause the excitement some think. But it may present a few surprises that no one expected.
I'll be here for about 20 minutes to answer questions and then I'm off. Just trying to be nice because I know there is a lot of buzz about it.

How long does it take to get there?
From the moment the crew steps in the craft, preps, clears port, about 60 minutes. Actual travel time, about 20.

Go into detail about a few of these surprises
No doom from elenin. its not a comet, or not totally just a comet.

What type of craft are you using (TR-B)?
no

Ok, what exactly is it
check into the properties of E-type asteroids. very similar. however if you connect the dots you 'll know that E types are codeword for something more interesting

What effect does this elenin have on our earth, and what risks does it pose for us?
it won't have any effects on earth. But it may be of interest to ham radio operators

X-37, NOTE, Tin Can?
sorry, can't go there

is elenin artificial? Is anything riding it so to speak?


Well if you aren't so cryptic, maybe someone would take you seriously. Explain further.
Remember I don't want to lose my clearance buddy. Look at my response to captain (question directly above). Anyway my twenty minutes are up. Gotta go. I'll check back in 45 minutes or so for one more session of questions. Have a nice weekend all.

whats your opinion op on the all the ex nasa employee's spilling the beens on everything they know since they are all getting canned?
NASA is just a front for the public. their budget is miniscule. not enough money to really do anything but put a few probes in our solar system. The real space program falls in the military's domain, mainly airforce and navy. but the nice chemical rockets sure are fun to watch. as far as NASA spilling any beans. very few people from nasa are actually in the loop. they don't know anything to spill

Lets just say if something or someone is riding it, would we have to worry as far as death and destruction go, or would it be more of a eye opener ? I personally don't have a opinion about Elenin, just asking questions....
as I said before, there is no doom with it. so no need to worry

Might there be a lot of vehicles? Say 7000?
What do you mean by 'a lot of vehicles'? that's all classified and i am not privy to the overall actual numbers other than the area i work in

Might the "Item(s)" in question be able to carry a lot. Say 7000?
ok now I see what you are getting at. i really don't know, sorry. i know there are at least 2 more missions planned and after the next someone will have that answer, maybe. but i probably won't be a part of it.

Did the US space command bring down the twin tower on 9/11 using some kind of powerful weapon?
I don't know anything about that

So why are you telling us this? What can we benefit from what you know? Just tell us what you obviously want to tell, but are afraid to
go look up e class asteroids. also look up the ESA's rosetta mission to steins. where magically the high res cameras just happened to fail. and there is your answer. sorry i can't be more direct. but this one is a bit more operational and is talking. someone savvy will be able to 'hear' it pretty soon. there will be no denying that history isn't what we've been told. but much more interesting. no doom. just something pretty neat coming. i have said enough.

If i were in the navy space command and wanted to talk to the public i would use a conspiracy forum such as glp... why? because no one will believe it lol. Are you using gravitational wave propulsion ships.? and is it true that the navy space command has stations on mars. and is there a collaboration with the grays?


pisses me off that we have been putting astronauts lives in jeopardy with chemical rockets. when in fact we have been hiding a much more advanced safer spaced program all this time..
i have complained about this exact same thing. all in the name of national security. whatever. now you know why there is no replacement for the shuttle. but times are ah changin. and what we do may become a bit more open very soon. we are bankrupt. can you imagine what giving the commercial sector some of this would do for the economy! they are considering it as we speak. instead of taking 5 1/2 hours for a coast to coast flight it would take a matter of minutes. interesting times. its hard to bite my tongue. but keep the faith. soon, very soon

E Class Asteroids -
A fairly rare, very reflective asteroid that is slightly red in color, probably due to the presence of some surface organic chemicals. E-class asteroids dominate the Hungaria family of the main belt, though some, including the two largest, (44) Nysa (see Nysa-Polana family) and (64) Angelina, are found scattered farther out. Their flat reflectance spectra in the 0.3 to 1.0 micron region and high albedos (usually above 0.3) suggest a connection with the aubrite (otherwise known as enstatite achondrite, hence the “E”) category of meteorite. However, this link is problematic because aubrites are clearly of igneous origin, whereas some E-class asteroids (including Nysa) show an absorption feature at 3 microns that points to water-and/or hydroxyl-bearing minerals and a nonigneous history.
basically that means its highly reflective, metallic

Do you fly your vehicles fairly low at night and change direction at nano second speed?
not me. my CO is a hard ass. but i've heard stories, some funny ones. if i did it i'd probably be court martialed

op what can you tell us about the program besides the fact that you went to elenin?
that they know they gotta tell everyone soon, because the gap between what we have and what we admit is increasing to a point that they can't keep it all a secret forever. think 50 lightyears for a one or two day trip is easy. listen to what ben rich said. its all coming out soon or else i wouldn't be posting. we live in the most interesting times ever. and the next 5 years will be the most amazing starting with this year. the the old farts running things realize this and hate change, but its inevitable. thanks for participating guys. i'll check back later tonight.

I'd say one would have to be one bad mofo to drive one of those. Can they see me watching them? Are their eye pieces able to see the fly I swat?
actually its easier than flying a jet. most of it is automated. but they still pick the elite of the elite for this stuff. and yes they can see the fly you are swatting, your facial expression, and who exactly you are via facial recognition.

Does the US Navy Space Command always send recon missions to comets and neo's? Or was this unique? Does something concern them about this Elenin or is this more SOP?
if something is out of the ordinary than they will look at it using a wide variety of sensors. if there is still questions then yes they go out there and check it out.

one thing that I must point out that you just don't get from watching on a tv is the absolute beauty out there.
the earth and other planets are simply magnificent and awe inspiring. i have even suggested to take various world leaders out there to take a look at the earth and see its beauty from space. when you see how amazing it is you wonder what all these wars are about and wonder why we can't concentrate directing our efforts towards lifting mankind up.
saturn close up, mind boggling. a few planets in other star systems would absolutely blow your mind. its too bad they can make an IMAX movie showing some of this stuff. it is so sad the universe is hidden and most are stuck on a rock and can't see the universe in all its beauty and wonder.
and the sheer number of stars you can see without any interference from the atmosphere. WOW!!!!! its absolute paradise this universe.

OP have you or your fellow officers traveled to Niburu/Planet X? If can say, will it come near to earth in a year or two?
i have never heard anything about nibiru.

Your welcome OP. Don't abandon us like so many do.
no i'm back can't stay here forever but it really feels great letting curious folks in on a bit. like a weight off my chest. i admit i don't know everything about this stuff, not even close. but i feel happy sharing what i can.
all that taxpayer money going to stuff like this and normally you aren't even told it exists! but change is right around the corner. i've never seen so much activity/excitement among the brass and civilians than i have the last 6 months. some just don't want to change and keep it all to themselves. but they are finding themselves to slowly be in the minority on that viewpoint.
i think we may be heading in the right direction as far as the secrecy. these guys are paranoid by nature and rightly so. but even they realize this is too big to keep secret. humanity deserves to know.

I have read that space is really blue not dark like NASA has fed is. Is this accurate?
it is pitch black

Did you go to flight school in Corpus Christi or Pensacola?
i understand your curiosity. i don't want to talk about personal stuff though.

I was just asking because I want to be a Navy Pilot and have been looking it up online.
From what I understand if I join and pass basic I would probably go to Pensacola. Which is fine with me.
The way I see it if you can land a plane on an Air Craft Carrier, then you are one of the best pilots in the world.
you are 100% correct. carrier landings are insane. good luck kid.

OP can you say what the furthest distance from earth you've traveled is? Another star system?
about 250 ly, others much much further, and still heading out

OP do other nations of earth have a Space Command, or is US alone in this ability?
ok i'm not privy to all of this, but obviously from working in this field i will tell you what I have seen.
yes and yes. some other guys are up there, the usual suspects, but so far we see they are only sporting conventional or just a bit more advanced than conventional NASA type tech. they mainly stay in L.E.O. and don't cause much interference with our operations. they are just a nuisance at this time

so what are you talking about happening like first contact or something like that?
as far as elenin, i just hope we have some ham radio operators out there who can listen to to it. we need to learn about ourselves and our heritage. elenin may help with this.

OP thanks!!! for answering. You're point of view of the depth and beauty of space is uplifting for us earth bound ones. A final question about Elenin.... will it be so bright that it might light up the night sky like a double full moon or similar?
you'd have to ask an astronomer. i'd guess its too small to be any sort of visual spectacle UNLESS, it becomes active that way also. that would be amazing. anything is possible.
and yes, my first trip out there was a God smack in my face with the sheer beauty and awe. quite a humbling experience any one of us would benefit from. i hope one day everyone can.

Hey OP, Can you tell us what hidden technology, in your opinion, would be the most valuable to humanity if released to all?
Do we have the technology to end most of the suffering on this planet?
we have a whole bunch of amazing stuff. yes we could end suffering and turn the planet into a total paradise. nothing makes my blood boil more than this. but there is hope. there are some men, a few with vision that are in the right positions now that maybe you'll start to see some of it. i really think we are heading that way.
i guess i didn't answer you question. this is why i think this stuff has been kept in secrecy. they use nat.sec. as an excuse but its really to protect the oil profits. however fukushima has really rattled them.
i am just a peon when it comes to this kind of policy, but there seems to be an internal struggle with one side wanting to get this stuff out and the other side being paid off to keep it secret. this is where i better shut the heck up. but you get the idea.

Have you observed other civilized planets?
yes, city lights from space, very similar if not identical in some cases to our cities

Thanks. Still didn't even throw us a bone with a specific heretofore unknown tech., but that's OK. We don't want you to get into trouble. ;-`)
So give us a name. Who is paying whom to keep humanity suffering and dying? Be a Patriot, give us a name. Thanks.
this is a VERY sketchy area. if I gave you names i'd probably have a visit sometime in the next few days that i'd rather not. but really i can only speculate. maybe some of them really do have the view that this is better left to the military for now. or maybe they are getting paid to keep this view. i would really know. but i'm sure there are those that know very well in intelligence circles.
these guys can be very short sighted. why not be the ones responsible for bringing heaven to earth? sad really, but the good guys are gaining ground, trust me.
yes zpe is real. space is actually more energetic than matter. the trick is figuring out how to get it because there is very little to no energy gradient. but they have figured it out long ago.
no need to ever pay another electric bill again or fill your tank up.
they could desalinize all the ocean water they wanted for almost free and irrigate the deserts. the possibilities are unlimited. greed can only hold out and suppress this for so long.

OP do you know what this is:
[link to img253.imageshack.us]
And does your propulsion system for traveling l.y. away has anything to do with a bogey owned by Ra and orbiting the Sun:
[link to img167.imageshack.us]
Haven't seen Ra out there yet, lol.
If you really want to see some neat stuff, buy a pair of 3rd or later gen night vision goggles and spend some time looking up with them.

OP, this crop circle represents the interception of Elenin by an antimatter weapon orbiting the Sun. It will depolarise Elenin's EM field represented by the small rocked thunderbolt at the tip of Apophis head and render the asteroid benin against Earth's EM field. I doubt the Navy Space Command has such a powerfull device to fulfill the work.
[link to www.cropcircleconnector.com]
[link to www.cropcircleconnector.com]
if it is destroyed, that would be a travesty. there are some out there who could do this. i just hope whoever is making the crop circles is wrong about this one. elenin has been given a lot of doom and gloom press.
it is quite the opposite. a beacon of hope and a glimpse into the past. a glimpse into who we really are perhaps, from all the clues that have been gathered. our guys are going wild like school children on xmas eve when it comes to this thing. i'd love to go back myself.

David Wilcock got an anonymous tip that Air Force Space command was mining Element 115 somewhere in the Hercules constellation. Could this be correct?
mining element 115? sounds like science fiction. is David Wilcock a science fiction writer?

OK... OP... Appreciate that you can't share the actual vehicle designation...
Can you give some idea of the technology involved?
Thanks...
There are various advanced methods of propulsion. one time the discovery channel of all places aired a show about 5 years ago that spoke about some of these techs, at least the early days of it and i almost spit my coffee out watching. it had 'advanced aircraft' in the title. i really which i would have dvr-ed that show as I can't remember the whole title and i have searched for it and never found it. i couldn't believe my eyes when i saw what they were talking about. almost 100% accurate with nice graphics and visualizations. someone spilled the beans. i'm sure its been yanked but that show would have really wet your whistle. perhaps it wasn't yanked and i can't find it. i suggest looking for this and see if you can find it.
as much as i'd like to share. i really can't go there. i'm sorry.
but i will share this small tidbit. there are those that create their own sort of wave and ride it like a surfer.
think about Einstein, when they drop a ball in a sheet to demonstrate how timespace gets warped by matter.
they jokingly say we have front wheel drive. we are pushed not pulled and it certainly feels that way even though they say the inertia is canceled i swear i feel the 'pull'
that's all i will say on this. sorry to be vague.

So you have no information on the Nemesis Dwarf Star. Dr Bill Deagle and company claims it will be visible from the Southern Hemisphere with a high power telescope in about a month. And will start wrecking havic on earth in about 5-9 months?
Never heard of it.

OP: To your knowledge, what year did mankind (our current society) successfully breach the Van Allen Belt? TIA.
i guess i should know this. the apollo missions?

Op - have you seen any angels out there in your travels?
Also, have you seen the so-called approaching "ribbon" or cloud of energy that Sickscent has done so much research on, and that the Boeing and NASA insiders have spoken of as threatening our planet?
you can't see the ribbon but its funny you bring that up. that has been a HUGE concern for the scientists. they put out a cover story that it was the solar wind being reflected back, but that is baloney. its hard to tell. another poster just mentioned the van allen belt, which we don't even think about because we are protected from it. i wouldn't say it was a force field but all EM and radioactive particles cannot penetrate our craft. the system is so good that there is less radiation inside our craft then on the surface of the earth, including going through the ribbon.
but there are experiments going on in the ribbon to see what kind of effects it will have when it reached the inner solar system. good question. so far they just don't know. the ribbon has some odd qualities to it

Well I hope Dr. Deagle is wrong, but the guy is one of the most intelligent people I have ever listened to. Although he does seem prone to flights of fancy!! If the Nemesis Dwarf Star is as close as people are indicating then no doubt its been visited by advanced Space Command craft. He also confirms we have hyper light speed spacecraft, so he knows something concerning black programs! Please if possible ask something about this problem. Although I know that things are very compartmentalized, so its hard to find stuff out!!!!
i would think something so epic i would have heard of. i will surely ask around. thanks for the heads up. I think I've heard Deagle on the internet a long time ago. From what I remember he did sound intelligent, but I can't remember him talking about this nemesis dwarf star. i'd wager it doesn't exists or I would probably have known. but this business is all about compartmentalization and secrecy. a need to know basis. so you never know! i'll ask around.

You guys are the pilots of the huge black isosceles triangle mother ships, right?
[link to www.soupmedianetwork.com]
[link to x40.xanga.com]
[link to www.ambergristoday.com]
no, but the black triangles are ours. that is an airforce asset. they are mainly used below 150k ft. they aren't designed for interstellar travel.


hi guys. i just wanted to get the word out that you should start listening with your radios, point them towards elenin. you should start picking up a signal soon if not already.
thanks for the questions, this has actually been very fun.
can't really go into anymore detail, but i must say, you are a fine lot here. thank you and i really mean that.

one more thing. i'm not saying I won't be back. i have just told you as much as i can right now and duty calls. so i won't be able to post until i'm back on August 11th.
when I get back I will post an update. i look forward to it. because 10 years ago i was on the net searching myself, i know what it's like.
take care all. and i will catch up with you soon

Interesting eh?

Ski-

[loveandgratitude]

Could you please interrupt this message? Very cryptic and one could read whatever into this. Double speak going on here.

[Hervé]

Me think the confusion created and maintained about Elenin and what not is designed to drive peolple into full blown glee!

[loveandgratitude]

I am starting to feel that watching Elenin is like watching a professional wrestling match.

http://www.demotivate.info/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/wrestling-fake.jpg

[The Truth Is In There]

another good post about elenin from GLP.

source: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1582268/pg1

THE TRUTH ABOUT ELENIN – DON’T YOU GET IT? – IT’S NOT REAL – IT’S A WARNING !!!!

I have to sound off on this. I suggest a pin (GLP speak), regardless of whether this has been discussed or not, because this whole Elenin situation has been misunderstood and it’s time we put this thing to bed and see the whole thing for what it truly is.

I’ve been reading all the comments and theories on this board about Elenin…from the dwarf star theory, to the red mini-sun theory, to the Richard Hoagland hostile hyperbolic alien spacecraft theory, to the ordinary comet theory, to the theory that it’s some sort of “super-comet” that is storing up a freakish amount of electrical charge as its postively charged nucleus gathers up a ridiculous amount of electrons which it will discharge when it reaches perihelion, thereby triggering an apocalypse.

You’re all missing the point. You’ve all been waiting with baited breath since December for Nasa’s pictures of the comet so you can confirm that it’s just a comet, so that somehow you can dismiss everything that’s going on and declare that nothing is going on with the Earth. Half of you are looking for a reason to prove that everything is OK so that you don’t have to face reality, and the other half of you have gotten caught up in this ridiculous “dwarf star vs. red mini-sun vs. hostile alien craft vs. comet” debate.

Elenin represents one thing and one thing only. It’s a warning of some kind, nothing more. That’s it. It doesn’t matter whether it’s a comet or a giant turd.

The discovery of this object by Leonid Elenin and the JPL data being made available to the public represents a moral compromise by NASA and the U.S. Government to give the general public a clue that something is coming, and it’s also a way for them to clearly establish amongst themselves coming events that they are concerned about…The alignments and the close calls shown in the JPL data represent dates of concern. They want you to know, and they’re also using the alignments and the close calls to synchronize their efforts without having to talk about it openly amongst themselves.

** The bizarre coincidences:

1) What are the odds of guy named Leonid Elenin growing up to be an amateur astronomer who just happens to discover a comet that is coming between the Earth and the sun in September of 2011 (9/11…his name “Elenin” is 9/11 backwards)

2) What are the odds of guy named Leonid Elenin growing up to be an amateur astronomer who just happens to discover a comet that is reaching its point closest to the sun on 9/11/11 (again, his name is 9/11 backwards)

3) If you want to throw the whole 9/11 thing out, that’s fine, but what are the odds of a guy whose first name is Leo and whose last name is an acronym for “Extinction Level Event” growing up to be an amateur astronomer who discovers a comet while at the same time a movie that was released 13 years earlier (“DEEP IMPACT”) just happens to have a character named Leo who discovers a comet that the Government decides to name “E.L.E.” in the movie

4) What are the odds of guy named Leonid Elenin growing up to be an amateur astronomer who just happens to discover a comet whose tail the Earth will pass through in November, when the definition for the term “LEONID” just happens to be “a meteor shower associated with a comet that occurs in the month of November

“LEONIDS” definition Wikipedia Link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonids

The odds of something like this happening by accident are ZERO. The odds of any of this being a coincidence are ZERO. And the potential for a tiny comet to cause the Earth’s axis to shift whenever the Earth is caught between this object and the sun is ZERO.

And there’s your answer. This is deliberate. The comet isn’t a real comet. It can be only one thing. It’s either a natural object or an artificial object of some sort that’s designed to look like a comet, and it’s being intelligently controlled by a government agency. The government is using “Elenin” as an informative vehicle to give those in the general public, both in the U.S. and abroad, that are awake and that are paying attention to this kind of stuff a chance to prepare and protect their family, if they choose to, and the government is also using “Elenin” for their own purposes in order to synchronize their efforts and disclose information to other government agencies without having to go into too much detail amongst themselves…they can always refer to “Elenin” without having to refer to what’s actually causing these changes or any classified information.

So heed the warnings, or don’t. Clearly they want you to know that the end of September through the end of November represents a time when they feel we might cross the threshold and that the disasters will start to become bigger at that point, it doesn’t matter when the actual pole shift will occur, they’re telling you that we cross the threshold sometime during that late September through late November timeframe…the crap should start to hit the fan at that point. That’s why this whole Elenin situation is so in-your-face, so over-the-top and obvious. They want you to pay attention to it. They had to provide us with a timeline, in a surreptitious but unambiguous way, because that’s their moral code (I’m not talking about the Illuminati, I’m talking about NASA and the U.S. Government). It’s the only warning you’ll ever get, because there’s not going to be a press conference about this, aside from a possible emergency broadcast message right before the disaster.

I hope this clarifies things for everyone, and that we stop debating whether it’s a comet, or a dwarf star, or a giant turd. It’s none of those things. It’s a warning, nothing more. They might even decide to detonate the object when it reaches perihelion…by then, it would have already served its purpose, which was to synchronize their efforts and provide specific dates of concern to all agencies of government without discussing it openly, and to let the people know, those that want to know and are willing to seek out the information and react to it, otherwise there would have been absolutely no point to running commercials like those Ready.gov commercials and letting that NASA Preparedness video go viral unless they were also going to give you some sort of a clue as to when you needed to get prepared. They want you to get prepared now, not in 2012. That’s the Elenin message.

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

Could you please interrupt this message? Very cryptic and one could read whatever into this. Double speak going on here.

Bloody Nora.. It was from God Like Productions and T.Bird gave a link and every one had problems getting to see the link and Amenjo went in and it was full of messy comments and stuff so he deleted most of the rubbish and copied it and posted it up. I come here and waited for the news to spread but it didn't so I went to Atticus's site and copied Amenjo's post and put it up here for you all to read and all I get is this.

How about you do it. lol

[Billy]

I am starting to feel that watching Elenin is like watching a professional wrestling match.

http://www.demotivate.info/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/wrestling-fake.jpg

Yes who's head is up whose Butt, hehe :-)

[passiglight]

Anyway,,,,,,,, back to the topic,,,,,,,,,,,,,

So what the chap is inferring in skids post and with whats out there already,,,,,,,,lets summarise

Elenin is .....

An object under control and is broadcasting a very clear signal which can be picked up by ham radio pointed roughly in that direction,,,,,,and there is a rather large UFO fleet behind it, with, i assume some occupants ........

and may or may not be going to deliver some plasma pie in a few weeks,,,,,,,,,

I would guess it will be only be a few hours before many recordings of the broadcasted signal coming from elenin are available on-line........

and official press announcements from world leaders will be in the next day or so i would imagine......

Say hello to the neighbours,,

cosmic love

[Calz]

Catastrophism in the Ring of Fire: seven 6.0+ earthquakes in eight days


9161


August 1, 2011 – JAPAN – I’ve identified four areas on the Pacific Plate that have been a source of an inordinate amount of recent strong earthquake activity in the Pacific Ring of Fire. We’ve had seven 6.0+ magnitude earthquake events in eight days. I theorize that this spike in activity portends that a major geological event may be in the making in the Pacific. In June, I indicated that there was mounting evidence that we may be moving towards a period of geologic catastrophism in regard to rising agitation along the Pacific Plate. The 4 areas I’ve circled on the above map include the Aleutian peninsula or trench of Alaska, the Japan Islands, the New Guinea and Fiji region, and the last leg is the Tonga-Kermadec and New Zealand region. What all these regions on the Pacific Plate have in common is that they are densely populated with a turbulent chain of volcanoes. Since the western part of the plate is facing the most seismic stress, this leads me to believe the forces driving this are magmatic in nature and are the result of a thermal flux related to the internal planetary gradient. In short, if this whole region was a volcano, it’s now exhibiting signs of a major eruption. The sea-floor under the Atlantic Ocean is spreading and there is a lot of subduction going on in the Pacific where land masses are converging in some case but what’s alarming is something may be accelerating this process.


http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2011/08/01/catastrophism-in-the-ring-of-fire-seven-6-0-earthquakes-in-eight-days/

[ThePythonicCow]

Catastrophism in the Ring of Fire: seven 6.0+ earthquakes in eight days



August 1, 2011 – JAPAN – I’ve identified four areas on the Pacific Plate that have been a source of an inordinate amount of recent strong earthquake activity in the Pacific Ring of Fire.
The above post appears to come from http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2011/08/01/catastrophism-in-the-ring-of-fire-seven-6-0-earthquakes-in-eight-days/

[Calz]

Catastrophism in the Ring of Fire: seven 6.0+ earthquakes in eight days



August 1, 2011 – JAPAN – I’ve identified four areas on the Pacific Plate that have been a source of an inordinate amount of recent strong earthquake activity in the Pacific Ring of Fire.
The above post appears to come from http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2011/08/01/catastrophism-in-the-ring-of-fire-seven-6-0-earthquakes-in-eight-days/

Damn you are fast Cow!!! :cow::bolt::cow:

I was coming back to add and you beat me to it ... sup with dat???

[ThePythonicCow]

I was coming back to add and you beat me to it ... sup with dat???
I just happened to be sitting here looking at new posts, which I do every now and then for a few minutes.

[Calz]

I was coming back to add and you beat me to it ... sup with dat???
I just happened to be sitting here looking at new posts, which I do every now and then for a few minutes.

You aren't one of those AI moderators Anno was talkin bout are you??? :mod:

[ThePythonicCow]

Memory fault - core dump
Find: algorithm_to_sound_really_human - no such routine

[Hervé]

Was still hoping to get confirmation regarding Saturn.

Could the photos themselves have been rotated???

That would still not account for the Saturn moon images ... nor the storm.

I think someone was having difficulties taking pictures with his telescope...


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Dr. Byron Glenn is... that guy:



Cape doctor says he's not leading survivalist group and has been harassed by believers in 'Planet X'
Sunday, July 10, 2011
By M.D. Kittle ~ Southeast Missourian
http://www.semissourian.com/photos/15/04/70/1504709-M.jpg (http://www.semissourian.com/story/1743142/photo/1504709.html)
Dr. Byron Glenn at Cape Urgent Care
(Fred Lynch)

Dr. Byron Glenn of Cape Girardeau says he wants nothing to do with the people he sees as online crackpots trumpeting a "conspiracy wrapped in an enigma."

He's not alone. The folks at NASA have fruitlessly tried to debunk what they say are wild conspiracies involving Comet Elenin -- a "wimpy" projectile expected to remain more than 20 million miles from Earth.

Glenn said he's been harassed and threatened by doomsday believers of "Planet X," an idea spreading in the blogosphere and in online chat rooms about a brown dwarf star, a low-mass object rapidly approaching the solar system and bent on destroying much of the Earth. He said that believers, apparently followers of Terral L. Croft, or "Terral03" as he is known in anxiety-ridden chat rooms, have shown up at his North Mount Auburn Road family practice demanding answers.

"I'm not the leader of any group. I can't tell people what to do. I don't want to," Glenn told the Southeast Missourian last week when asked about his connection to Croft's "research group," reportedly made up of people who plan to head for caves in Missouri's Ozarks in the coming weeks. The plan, according to Croft and a series of online correspondence in recent months, is to ride out the earthquakes, floods, volcanoes and other calamities they believe to be coming, thanks to the magnetic and polarizing effects of Planet X.

Croft, in letters to members of the group, describes Glenn as his good friend, a man he's been acquainted with for some time. He and others say Glenn is leading the Ozark survivalists. Glenn says he's never met Croft, a man he describes as "out there" and "on the edge," a Revelation chaser and Sept. 11 conspiracist.
"I am not the leader of any Ozark survival group," Glenn said.

Others say he is -- most notably Croft, who in his more recent Internet messages claims "our survival group leader and physician Dr. Byron Glenn and his engineer son" saw some disturbing things in their "expensive telescope.""Dr. Glenn was able to zoom in on the area of our dwarf star to realize he was looking at a monster of great size. We cannot see the actual dwarf star, but now he can make out the dark area and the dancing stars in the background created by the gravitational leasing effect," Croft wrote in his communique.
[...]

Full article here: http://www.semissourian.com/story/1743142.html

Too many contradictions and 3D physical impossibilities from Terral03 who seem to be the actual author of that anonimous PDF/Scribb paper.

As for Saturn's tilt... here's what GLP's amateur astronomer has to say:

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Re: [+PIN+] ELEnin & Nibiru NEW Report... Holy SH*T READ THIS!!!!Quote (http://204.74.214.194/bbs/reply.php?messageid=1574871&page=30&quote=26041998) [+ (http://javascript<b></b>:addQuote('reply', '26041998');)] # (http://204.74.214.194/forum1/message1574871/reply26041998)
I read through the file. I've read hundreds of postings here and on other sites on this subject and found a lot of doomers and debunkers alike and I seriously don't know which to trust. Amateurs, "professionals", claimed professionals, religious quotes...You name it.
Quoting: Captain Spaulding 1366925

You can trust amateur astronomers. We have no reason or motivation to lie, and indeed we're telling the truth. We'd know if Saturn had experienced a "90 degree pole shift." It hasn't.
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... and this:

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Re: [+PIN+] ELEnin & Nibiru NEW Report... Holy SH*T READ THIS!!!!Quote (http://204.74.214.194/bbs/reply.php?messageid=1574871&page=30&quote=26041771) [+ (http://javascript<b></b>:addQuote('reply', '26041771');)] # (http://204.74.214.194/forum1/message1574871/reply26041771)http://ads.godlikeproductions.com/i/www/delivery/lg.php?bannerid=150&campaignid=40&zoneid=2&loc=1&referer=http%3A%2F%2F204.74.214.194%2Fforum1%2Fmessage1574871%2Fpg30&cb=f6240f6ad1

Errrr guys. If the gravitational pull from Nibiru was strong enough to tilt Saturn, those moons would no longet be where they are.
Just thought i'd point that one out.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1407727


Now *THIS* is a small, but very relevant, example of the "agenda" that I and Astronut and others are trying to get across...

...it's called education, logic, and common sense.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1198034

Look budy through the years many famous scientist of there day where persecuted for there theories for thinking out of the box. Are you 100% certain your correct because if you are your the first because no one has firm data on this object.
Quoting: ducati60


Then *you* explain how the gravity of an alleged brown dwarf (or neutron star, that's a nice one) passed by Saturn and did NOT change the orbits of the moons.

Well?
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Think of it... that's a major cosmic feat: Tilting Saturn by 90 degrees without flinging its moons in all directions!


I am in awe. :hail:

[greybeard]

There is still a lot of 2+2= 5 going on.

We can safely say that there is an increase in earth quakes, volcanic and sun spot activity.
We can say that there is something out there called Elenin and that some of the larger earth quakes have happened when there is an alignment.
There has been three days of intense sun activity without an alignment with Elenin as far as I can tell and we do have at least two ejections heading our way at the moment.

So I am hoping that we are not going to have any massive event (caused by the fly by of any astral body) larger than we have had over the last few years and there have been plenty of them.

Chris

[Calz]

Came to the same conclusion by now ... but great job on documenting the follow-up.

Thanx 4 dat :thank_you2:

:lever: ... NEXT theory???

[nearing]

How big were the officials at NASA telling us this was?

nTZu2bQvzx0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTZu2bQvzx0

[Rocky_Shorz]

Dutchsinse is an extreme fear monger, always a little truth, but stretched to hair pulling... ;)



Could you please interrupt this message? Very cryptic and one could read whatever into this. Double speak going on here.

Bloody Nora.. It was from God Like Productions and T.Bird gave a link and every one had problems getting to see the link and Amenjo went in and it was full of messy comments and stuff so he deleted most of the rubbish and copied it and posted it up. I come here and waited for the news to spread but it didn't so I went to Atticus's site and copied Amenjo's post and put it up here for you all to read and all I get is this.

How about you do it. lol

that was great, thanks for bringing it over, thanks Amenjo for putting it all together...

GLP had some IP block up preventing everyone that wasn't a member from seeing in, fixed again last I looked... they had a few other elenin images I was trying to get to.

I wonder if Onyx has ever traveled in a craft like this?

so he traveled to elenin and has traveled 250 light years from earth and has never heard of nibiru/death star/nemesis...

do we need a special radio to pick up a dark energy sound wave message(Whale Songs)?

[loveandgratitude]

Could you please interrupt this message? Very cryptic and one could read whatever into this. Double speak going on here.

Bloody Nora.. It was from God Like Productions and T.Bird gave a link and every one had problems getting to see the link and Amenjo went in and it was full of messy comments and stuff so he deleted most of the rubbish and copied it and posted it up. I come here and waited for the news to spread but it didn't so I went to Atticus's site and copied Amenjo's post and put it up here for you all to read and all I get is this.

How about you do it. lol

NORA TO CHUCKIE..........do you read...over...........Thank you for this compliation of information. We are all standing on the edge of the stage, just waiting now for the show to start. So many senarios. We can take our pick. Complete annhilation, new incoming members of our universe for good or bad, a comet showering down metorites or just simply a wonderful show of lights in the sky or last
option, just a fuzzy light in the sky only to be seen with a telescope. What a spectrum of ideas and really it is only time will tell. Not long to go. All is speculation at this point. Who knows due to the large amount of disinfo floating around.

Simply sit back and wait and see. Accept and enjoy what is coming our way. I would love it to be a spacecraft with amazing beings aboard who come and kick the negatives arse. Will be disappointed if it is just a fuzzy little bloob out there in space. Anyway, not long to go. Good luck to all. Love you all.

[The Truth Is In There]

There is still a lot of 2+2= 5 going on.

We can safely say that there is an increase in earth quakes, volcanic and sun spot activity.
We can say that there is something out there called Elenin and that some of the larger earth quakes have happened when there is an alignment.
There has been three days of intense sun activity without an alignment with Elenin as far as I can tell and we do have at least two ejections heading our way at the moment.

So I am hoping that we are not going to have any massive event (caused by the fly by of any astral body) larger than we have had over the last few years and there have been plenty of them.

Chris

i think the ups and downs in sun activity and earth seismicity are due to the outer bands of the magnetic field of planet x as they encounter the sun and earth during their spin. it was described in the scribd file that these magnetic fields basically work the same as hurricanes with the outer rainbands. i believe when planet x gets closer and its actual magnetic field envelops the sun we're going to have continuous high solar activity and more severe earth changes.

[AlexanderLight]

The latest Elenin/Nibiru update from Donny Gillson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaAeDV8EzEc&feature=feedlik

[bennycog]

Sorry alexander but i really think that guy is just clutching at anything he can.. i dont think he helps any credible proof of it.. kind of laughable when he is pointing at a lens flare on the ground and asking what is that..
And the stars that he is pointing to, saying that it is elenin, they are what i tell my kids "the christmas tree".. there is a couple shapes in the stars like that of varying sizes..
I am not one for putting people down but i hope he is not trying to make people believe these things..
What i do love is his open mind and willingness to help the rest of the population out.. He just needs to go outside and confirm his own reactions to stars that are actually there..

[The One]

Could this crop circle really hold the clues :cool:

Once again thats for you to decide.

dH62Pm7ylFc

[The Truth Is In There]

one more possibility - elenin a vehicle of the annunaki.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1QxJdjk0-M

[greybeard]

This video seems to have more credibility than most
Chris



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkBj9Jz6NTM&feature=autoshare

[Malachi]

The latest Elenin/Nibiru update from Donny Gillson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaAeDV8EzEc&feature=feedlik


09:53 - wow, he found the Taurus...nonsense, this guy is...eh, anyway.

[greybeard]

Size of Elenin confirmed?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nTZu2bQvzx0

[Calz]

The Truth Is In There:


one more possibility - elenin a vehicle of the annunaki.

Lord Sid suggests the Enki faction are coming back and their scout ships should be near ...

Don't remember him ever making reference to elenin ... but it is certainly a possibility.

[The Truth Is In There]

ok debunkers, have a go at this one:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0bBfM9SY9o

it's the telescope worker again, more fear-mongering for those who would be mongered :rolleyes:
can anybody confirm or debunk it and enlighten the rest of us?

[nearing]

He didn't answer the guys question and he doesn't sound like someone who has the education to work on a large telescope.

He pronounced astronomer 'astromoner' in the previous video. Is he the maintenance man at the telescope? I have a very tough time believing his story due to his speech patterns.

[Hervé]

Definitely the janitor!

Nearing I have to agree with you.

The guy doesn't know S**t about coordinates as he is mixing feet (') and inches (") with fractions of a degree of arc: minutes (') and seconds ("). I listen to his second reading of coordinates to make sure I wasn't hallucinating then exited the video: not worth listening further.

He definitely is a clown :jester: of the first order :first:.

He got both his feet through and through in one single shot! Outed himself on that one.

[greybeard]

Definitely the janitor!

Nearing I have to agree with you.

The guy doesn't know S**t about coordinates as he is mixing feet (') and inches (") with fractions of a degree of arc: minutes (') and seconds ("). I listen to his second reading of coordinates to make sure I wasn't hallucinating then exited the video: not worth listening further.

He definitely is a clown :jester: of the first order :first:.

The value of Avalon forum is that we have people who have knowledge on a variety of subjects and that keeps the subject matter balanced and
credible.
I know nothing.
Thanks Amzer and Nearing

[Hervé]

Considering he was reading coordinates of something given in X0 Y' Z" means someone is feeding him data and therefore either using him for disinfo or playing a prank on him.

[The Truth Is In There]

Considering he was reading coordinates of something given in X0 Y' Z" means someone is feeding him data and therefore either using him for disinfo or playing a prank on him.

i agree, the feeding theory seems quite likely. the question is, why give detailed info that can be checked? if it's right, fine, but if it's wrong the little credibility the guy had is gone. what would be the purpose of that? can anybody check the coordinates or do you need an infrared telescope to see it? i guess not but like greybeard i know nothing.

[ghostrider]

the sun the earth the moon have all been affected by the planet of the crossing, the hopi, the myans the book of revelations, they told the truth, man says show me and I will believe = God says believe and I'll show you. and I saw the heavens rolled away as a scroll, and stars of heaven fell. Nibiru the planet of the crossing, crossing the path of our EARTH. THIS YEAR... 2011 IN OCTOBER... don't be afraid it has to happen, the divine plan has to happen. The great spirit will move heaven and earth to bring his word to pass... planet x ? this generation called generation x . coincidence?

[Leprechaun]

LEEDS EXOPLITICS CONFERENCE

I’ve just got back from attending the Leeds Exopolitics Conference and was both inspired and blown away by both the quality of the speakers and the material presented. This Exopolitical material and the call by all the speakers for Disclosure of the of the reality of the Extra-Terrestrial phenomena is a movement that In my opinion is likely to gather momentum in the times ahead.

At the request of a friend also present in another webGroup I have been asked to post a brief summary of one of the speaker’s lectures as a means of stimulating some discussions around the value and validity of this speaker’s theory. Before posting though, I would ask that we refrain from attacking or supporting this individuals ideas, but instead concentrate on the value and validity (or lack of) of the speaker’s ideas as they are laid out here.

The speaker in question is Richard C Hoagland. Hoagland`s talk amongst many areas. I will try and recount as best my memory allows, his points, but please accept that Im not a physicist and this is being written from memory

His Key points can be summarized as
1) Hyper dimensional physics, associated Torsion fields and the role these may play on the evolution of human consciousness with reference to the 2012 issue
2) The Elenin object and what it may represent
3) The Vesta asteroid and the material suggesting it may be artificial

With regards to the above points then:

1) Hoagland introduced the audience to the theory of hyper dimensional physics and torsion fields supplying supporting material to illustrate his ideas. In essence he outlined that spinning bodies (objects) such as the earth, stars and galaxies produce torsion fields as a result of this spin. These fields – bought about as a result of the spin, allow hyper dimensional energies to become manifest (perceptible) to humans and the 3D material world. Hoagland asked the audience to visualize what he was trying to convey by imaging two hypothetical interlinked tetrahedral (pyramidal) structures contained within a sphere – Earth in this case (links here to Sacred Geometry). Hoagland explained that these spinning tetrahedrons would manifest an underlying all permeating hyper dimensional energy at approx 19.5 degrees above and below the equatorial plane of a sphere / spinning object. This theory was then extrapolated up to a galactic level i.e. referencing the galactic spin. Hoagland posited that as we approach and cross the galactic equatorial plane (Galactic bulge) in and around 2012, that the torsion fields of all aligned bodies would begin to align too, and that the resulting convergence of these fields through a process similar to if not identical to harmonic resonance might allow a massive influx of hyper dimensional energy. Arguing that consciousness itself is a manifestation of a hyper dimensional aspect within ourselves and that this is evidence of a universal hyper dimensional reality matrix, Hoagland seemed to me to be suggesting that human consciousness itself would undergo some profound evolutionary shift. This idea was linked to the 2012 issue to put forward what seemed to me to be a coherent argument, and one that (excuse the pun) resonated with me on an intuitive level (? Evidence of some deep truth to his argument?). I invite comments and open discussion

2) With regards to point 2 Hoagland provided an examination of the data (NASA data) to suggest that there is something very strange about the object known as Elenin, and that rather than being something to be feared, it might be an object that is carrying (has encoded within it) information that would provide conclusive proof of the reality of the ET \ Hyper dimensional reality. He concluded from his examination of the evidence that the orbital characteristics of Elenin may have been built in to demonstrate that it is an artificial body and \ or that it has intelligence directing its orbit. He also suggested that Elenin may represent a kind of time capsule and that by the end of the year we may be in possession of data that would support his hypotheses. He also may an interesting reference to Elenin through reference to the Hopi prophecy concerning the arrival of the Blue Star Katchina. Although I don’t recall him actually saying that Elenin is the BSK, I couldn’t help but wonder whether the 2 objects are one and the same.

3) The last thing I wanted to mention was Hoagland’s suggestion that the asteroid known as Vesta is actually an artificially constructed body. He showed several HD NASA photographs that seemed to show large scale rectilinear structures on the surface of Vesta. He said these images had been taken from NASAs Dawn Satellite (minus the usually air-brushing) and he hoped that later images as Dawn gets closer would support this idea. He suggested that as many people as possible contact NASA to lobby them to continue supplying these HD images, and to do so as Dawn gets closer. He provided the following link in order to do this

www.Dawn.jpl.nasa.gov

I hope that that is the correct link as i was trying to get it down at speed.

Anyway that is a summary of some of the key points from Hoagland’s talk. I look forwards to the thoughts of others in this group.

[Leprechaun]

The UFO Disclosure Song
Feel free to copy n paste and spread teh message that DISCLOSURE BELONGS TO US
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMyMcIVmbgw

[nearing]

Leprechaun, have you watched this?

The Quickening

http://vimeo.com/27240681

It covers more than just the subject of Elenin & the Dwarf Star but it covers it VERY well and also speaks to the correlation of the Hopi prophesy and the Mayan calendar.

The way it has presented the facts of this subject are pretty much the way much of the people who have been on this thread since it's beginning feel.

Hoagland would do well to watch it!

[yiolas]

Leprechaun, have you watched this?

The Quickening

http://vimeo.com/27240681

It covers more than just the subject of Elenin & the Dwarf Star but it covers it VERY well and also speaks to the correlation of the Hopi prophesy and the Mayan calendar.

The way it has presented the facts of this subject are pretty much the way much of the people who have been on this thread since it's beginning feel.

Hoagland would do well to watch it!

Nearing, thank-you so much for this video. How absolutely beautiful ! I watched part of it a while back, but this time I viewed it in its entirety. I'm glad I did !

[Hervé]

Considering he was reading coordinates of something given in X0 Y' Z" means someone is feeding him data and therefore either using him for disinfo or playing a prank on him.

i agree, the feeding theory seems quite likely. the question is, why give detailed info that can be checked? if it's right, fine, but if it's wrong the little credibility the guy had is gone. what would be the purpose of that? can anybody check the coordinates or do you need an infrared telescope to see it? i guess not but like greybeard i know nothing.

I think it's to scatter people's attention to other things, as usual; like re-routing attention from NATO's invasion of Lybia to zillion other things so there wouldn't be an "en-masse" public outcry. Divide and conquer.

Now, back to the re-direction of people's attention from the real object of concern in space; the Brown Dwarf which should start being detectable via infrared telescopes from the Southern Hemisphere right about now.

When you consider that GooTubers like ursusadams freak out at seeing their own shadows... real info gets drowned amidst an overwhelming sea of disinfo artists' noise... hence valuable data just becomes another noise in that pandemonium.

[dddanieljjjamesss]

Considering he was reading coordinates of something given in X0 Y' Z" means someone is feeding him data and therefore either using him for disinfo or playing a prank on him.

i agree, the feeding theory seems quite likely. the question is, why give detailed info that can be checked? if it's right, fine, but if it's wrong the little credibility the guy had is gone. what would be the purpose of that? can anybody check the coordinates or do you need an infrared telescope to see it? i guess not but like greybeard i know nothing.

I think it's to scatter people's attention to other things, as usual; like re-routing attention from NATO's invasion of Lybia to zillion other things so there wouldn't be an "en-masse" public outcry. Divide and conquer.

Now, back to the re-direction of people's attention from the real object of concern in space; the Brown Dwarf which should start being detectable via infrared telescopes from the Southern Hemisphere right about now.

When you consider that GooTubers like ursusadams freak out at seeing their own shadows... real info gets drowned amidst an overwhelming sea of disinfo artists' noise... hence valuable data just becomes another noise in that pandemonium.

Think a little bit more about this Donny Gillson character and you begin to see the game unravel.

Follow his facebook. See the pictures he has of his Freemasonry pals and ceremonies. (They may be perfectly doctored, but I for one believe he really is a freemason, HOWEVER)

He IS without DOUBT a total disinfo agent. He's freaking out on purpose, whether to lead those astray for some nefarious purpose, or to lead them astray from their fixed routes in order to open their sense of questioning their realities. Or maybe it's both.

Two of my theories right now:

the Freemasons are trying to make as many people as possible focus on fear driven realities in order to generate the energy necessary to manifest them, or

the Freemasons are really cool pranksters who are playing the biggest joke on our psyche that, once we realize how foolish we have been, will jolt us into awakening of the subjective nature of 'Truth'

or maybe it's both.

think about his reactions, could anyone possibly be that gullible (besides his followers? hehehehehe :)))) )

[The One]

Yes i know another video.

This is supposed to be a special Report on Cyclopean Titanic. This is a very clear explanation about the subject matter. From beginning to end the said object is coming back

Whatever we beleive about this event only time will tell

:peace:

ThXAAPTCbrM

[The Truth Is In There]

i've come to the conclusion that whatever is going to happen, the things that are most important are the state of mind you're in and your feelings and emotions during this period of time, especially the "three days of darkness" if they're going to happen.

different scenarios create different feelings in people so i think it's vital that each of us concentrates on the things that keep him/her in a happy, expectant, confident state of mind, or in a state of love and acceptance if you will. those who jump into fear mode when elenin or nibiru are mentioned should perhaps concentrate on channelled messages with positive content that is just as likely to come to pass as the negative version of events. if "creating your own reality" does indeed become easier and faster as we approach the end times you'd not want to put yourself into your own hell.

personally, i gather knowledge from various different sources and create my own picture but i'm sure that if elenin and nibiru or the ww3 scenario would create fear or anxiety in me i'd stay well away from that stuff. it doesn't, because i know that whatever happens in the next months, ultimately all will be well and i'll be grateful for the experience. otherwise i wouldn't be here at this time.

[ROMANWKT]

Just got this URL from Project Camelot a compilation of all things NIBIRU.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThXAAPTCbrM&feature=youtu.be

regards
roman

[RMorgan]

Well, we´ll just have to wait to find out...

[WhiteFeather]

There is definately some truth with respect to this video, In a part of this video the russian announcer speaks about Marduk. Marduk is mentioned in the book By Zecharia Sitchin Genesis Revisited which i am currently reading Chapter 2 (It came from outer space.) Marduk is another name for Nibiru in The Sumerian Language. Very good video OP. Will definately finish watching this later on this evening very interesting and relevant to Zecharia Sitchins Theories Here..

[learninglight]

Hi all thought this very interesting

vgienOQZqF0

[loveandgratitude]

Images of Elenin from STEREO-B for the 6th and 7th of August

http://sydneystargazers.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/stereo-b-images-of-elenin-6th-and-7th-august.jpg

As mentioned in a recent post, we now believe from the latest imsges coming from NASA that Elenin is now beginning to develop it’s tail.

Below is a picture that we processed to highlight what we believe is the tail beginiing to form on the right side of Elenin.

http://sydneystargazers.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/elenin-tail-begins-forming.jpg

http://sydneystargazers.com/2011/08/10/tail-begins-forming-on-comet-elenin/

[loveandgratitude]

Elenin? Nibiru? Honda? again , same place 5th August 2011

Same thing in the sky again over Auckland, NOT a PLANE!! I still think its Comet Elenin or Nibiru!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLBd-LuTsd0

[loveandgratitude]

INTERESTING VIDEO TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL.

BLUE ROUND SHAPE UFO MOTHERSHIPS NEAR MERCURY SKY CHART 11TH AUGUST 2011 (HD)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bUy4gj-Wlw&feature=related

What are these things?

[araucaria]

I would be grateful if someone would correct that typo in the title of this thread. I wouldn't mind if it were just a typo, but 'doesn't exists' is perpetuating the fuzziness surrounding this whole business - Elenin is like some Schordinger's cat, existing and not existing at the same time.

On the more general subject of fer-mongering, Barbara Hand CLow has written a fascinating book called Catastrophobia, explaining how fear of bad things to come is a manifestation of posttraumatic stress disorder affecting all of humanity. The once in 30 million years extinction level event has already happened, 11,500 years ago when remnants of a supernova smashed through the solar system, playing havoc with most of the planets, including Earth.

This idea strikes me as being possibly correct inasmuch as I independently came to a similar conclusion in connection with a couple of individual cases. People are scared of things happening because they are all stored away in our (fairly recent) collective memory. If so, we can look forward to around 30 million years of peace and quiet. Can't be bad.

[Operator]

Elenin? Nibiru? Honda? again , same place 5th August 2011

Same thing in the sky again over Auckland, NOT a PLANE!! I still think its Comet Elenin or Nibiru!



It changes location and direction pretty much in the couple of minutes in the video. So it's NOT an object far, far away.
Since it seems to be recorded at dawn I think it could be a plane with a con-trail that's reflecting the sunlight.

[yiolas]

Hey guys, this you tuber "EternalBlackProject1" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUx2g3nRWiE&feature=related) does a pretty good job of illustrating that perhaps the apparent 'long in duration' direct alignment between Elenin and Jupiter between October of 2009 and March of 2010 caused the disappearance of one of Jupiter's belts and other atmospheric changes on the planet at the time, as well as causing the February 27, 2010 8.8 earthquake in Chile.

The electronic voice is a little unnerving but well worth viewing for the benefit or our continuing research into Elenin and what may be accompanying it from behind.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUx2g3nRWiE&feature=related

[greybeard]

9th wave relating to Elenin


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik-9qWrIzbM&feature=player_embedded

[nearing]

Hi all thought this very interesting

vgienOQZqF0

That was pretty interesting. Looks like the object seen from Stereo B is indeed Jupiter. But the huge one seen from Stereo A? I can't figure that one out. The thing is, if something that big and the bright were in our solar system, we should see it with our eyes. But then again, if it is sufficiently close to our Sun, maybe we couldn't see it due to the Sun's glare.

Hmmm, anyone?

[greybeard]

Hi all thought this very interesting

vgienOQZqF0

That was pretty interesting. Looks like the object seen from Stereo B is indeed Jupiter. But the huge one seen from Stereo A? I can't figure that one out. The thing is, if something that big and the bright were in our solar system, we should see it with our eyes. But then again, if it is sufficiently close to our Sun, maybe we couldn't see it due to the Sun's glare.

Hmmm, anyone?

As a wild guess.
Two"Suns" have been photographed rising --- some say sun dog -- but thats an explanation.
May only be visible at sunrise due to the angle.
I dont know and thats the truth.
Chris