Planet X/Nibiru/Tyche/Hercolobus/Elenin

[Taurean]

Carpe Diem

[TargeT]

no one really knows the affects,

Starting to look like massive "strong force" amplification via the placement of the E-class "astroid" or "comet" and the sun....

think electromagnetics.. (and "gravomagnetism)

[Hervé]

[...]
what's been happening with elenin when it lines up in certain ways...

still need more hints?

What ways?

Sorry TargeT but I am growing tired with hints and no data.

So far, I am about the only one on this thread to have offered some data (post # 974 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Is-it-Comet-Elenin-Is-it-Nibiru-Elenin-Updates.&p=288879&viewfull=1#post288879)):



There is a window of 3 days before the alignment and 3 days after. I would have to say Alexander Retrov called it!!! A 7.5 (I saw somewhere else it was a 7.8), 7.4 & a 7.0 and a crap load of 5's. This should be a warning for us to get it together......there will be no other warnings before the September 26th alignment.

Eat what you want, say what you feel and live life to the fullest!!

May be yes, maybe not... he didn't call the kermadec 7.6 on July 7, 2011... nobody did but I... it scared the **** out of me that I did:



[...]I have a 100% strong doubt about this guy's "sources" to be of anything based on facts.

Here is why:

* the object is named Nibiru whereas Nibiru doesn't exist and is only a figment of Sitchin's imagination( see Post # 650 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Is-it-Comet-Elenin-Is-it-Nibiru-Elenin-Updates.&p=272050&viewfull=1#post272050) as well as this one Post # 44 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?24489-Was-Sitchin-wrong&p=257074&viewfull=1#post257074) in another thread)

* Elenin has a 1 million years orbital period, there about, and therefore cannot be blamed for the catastrophes of the past millenia

*How can a planet be at right angles [sic] to the Sun? Seems like another case of fitting the data to the theory.

* Elenin seems to have been assigned the role of the flying drunk, box-cutters holders of 9-11 infame as it seems to validate the Solar Capacitor/Electric Universe theories of which I gave an example in post # 751:


If geometry has anything to do with Elenin short-circuiting the Solar capacitor in accordance with McCanney and John H. Nelson (http://www.sott.net/articles/show/229308-Planetary-Alignments-and-the-Solar-Capacitor-Things-are-heatin-up-) then the following dates might prove of some interest:



[...]
ETA:

Looking at that JPL Elenin orbit, it seems there's an alignment Saturn-Elenin-Mercury-Sun-Jupiter square Earth around July 6-9... good days for healers and lightworkers to practice... [7.6 Kermadec, July 7, 2011]


In that same vein, just eye-balling for a rough estimate, here are other "alignments" I noticed:

Aug. 13-17: Venus-Sun-Mercury-Earth square Elenin

Sept. 27 : Mercury-Sun-Elenin-Earth-Uranus square Mars

Oct. 2-6 : Saturn-Venus-Mercury-Sun-Elenin-Earth-Jupiter square Mars-(Sun)-Pluto

Nov. 8 : Venus-Mercury-Earth-Elenin square Mars-Sun-Neptune

Nov. 30 - Dec. 2 : Sun-Mercury-Earth-Elenin square Venus

Feb. 11-17: Sun-Venus-Elenin square Mars-Earth-(Sun)-Mercury-Neptune

The thing to remember is that J.H. Nelson worked with heliocentric coordinates.

Refer to: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/229308-Planetary-Alignments-and-the-Solar-Capacitor-Things-are-heatin-up-

Now revised (v. 0.2):

Aug. 17-20: Venus-Sun-Mercury-Earth square Elenin-(Sun)-(+/-Mars)

Sept. 25-27 : Mercury-Sun-Elenin-Earth-Uranus square Mars

Oct. 2-6 : Saturn-Venus-Mercury-Sun-Elenin-Earth-Jupiter square Mars-(Sun)-Pluto

Nov. 8 : Venus-Mercury-Earth-Elenin square Sun-Neptune

Nov. 30 - Dec. 2 : Sun-Mercury-Earth-Elenin square Venus

Dec.14-__: Mars-Mercury-Sun square Jupiter

Jan 1 - __: Saturn-Mercury-Sun square Earth

Feb. 11-17: Sun-Venus-Elenin square Mars-Earth-(Sun)-Mercury-Neptune

Oct. 12 - __: Mars-Mercury-Sun-Venus-Elenin square Uranus

I have a v. 0.3 somewhere around as well.

If you check this post (post # 20 in "The Horror of Fukushima (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?22084-Fukushima-Major-act-of-deliberate-war&p=243708&viewfull=1#post243708)) you may be able to realize there is a wide discrepancy between the recorded magnitude of the earth quake on Japanese seismometers (6.67) and the magnitude published by the MSM (9.0) as well as a location discrepancy. My take is that something was enhanced to justify the reality of a huge tsunami which is responsible for the vast majority of the damages, not the "colossal" earthquake itself.

Now, since puny comet Elenin hasn't fried Stereo Behind to charred smithereens when passing close by to it; it would at least indicate that if any capacitor was involved, that particular one got discharged a while ago and is now flat. In other words, you can now put your hands in the circuitry without getting zapped.

Seems like grounding should be the order of the day.

Sorry to say that the solar capacitor is not yet flat.

Otherwise, it has nothing to do with Elenin (box-cutter patsy) but only with Mercury getting at hard angles with outer planets (Mars).




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[TargeT]

[...]
what's been happening with elenin when it lines up in certain ways...

still need more hints?

What ways?

Sorry TargeT but I am growing tired with hints and no data.

So far, I am about the only one on this thread to have offered some data (post # 974 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Is-it-Comet-Elenin-Is-it-Nibiru-Elenin-Updates.&p=288879&viewfull=1#post288879)):


You have an interesting way of asking for more information.(My signature line should give you a hint as to why I was attempting to prompt personal research, but I'll just start typing some stuff. see if that modivates)



how do I drop hints when the over all concept is not understood, why do you think those alignments mean something?

do you understand how magnetism (gravity) can be amplified? we understand magnetism quite well, amplification is used by placing a conductive metal in specific alignment with the magnetic(gravitational) fields. (electromagnets are an example).

Now, understand that gravity functions much like magnetism, and Elenin is an E-Class asteroid (very important)... & it has been dipping in and out of alignments that mean a LOT more when you think of them in a gravity field (think magnetic again) alignment sense...

This realization came to me in many ways, first reading about the very likely fact that the sun is electric, that is PLASMA we see on the surface & the corona makes this an undeniable fact (corona's only exists in the electromagnetic world, not nuclear fusion or whatever other BS we've been sold about what the "sun is", we can get into surface temps vrs corona temps as well, more proof...)

NOW, with the (somewhat) recent mathematical proof of Planks Constant (very important to quantum physics) we see that quantum physics is EXACTLY like classical physics!!!!!!! this is huge! no more "mystery" no more "questions" the double slot experiment now makes sense & is no longer (as Einstein labeled it) "spooky".

I have done nothing here but tie together information that I've found on the internet, and I highly doubt I'm the only one with this line of thinking.

now does that help? I cannot give you "data" as "you have" but I think this information is quite useful.

[Hervé]

You have an interesting way of asking for more information.


Nothing to do with the price of fish. Anyhting unsubstantiated cannot make it out of the urban legend category, like so many "ideas" and "theories" put forth in this thread.


.(My signature line should give you a hint as to why I was attempting to prompt personal research, but I'll just start typing some stuff. see if that modivates)

I am definitely for personal research and understanding. However, there comes a point where sharing observations, empirical data and results becomes necessary so as not to waste people's time; or else we would still be trying to demonstrate to the "knowledgeable ones" the Earth may not be flat, one by one... a few billion times, over and over.

As for the rest, STEREO-B didn't fry out. That has to be taken into account and shows there is something out with the importance given to Elenin. That is, it's being used as a decoy for something else; which is something I am more and more inclined to consider.

[TargeT]

so you ask me to expand, I give you the answer and you start talking about sterio B?

hey what IS the price of fish btw? that seems about as related...

[Carolin]

Okay I am officially freaked out.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0VTktZBi9A

[ghostrider]

They found Nibiru in 2007 google sky, ever notice you can look at google earth in 2011, but switch to google sky and it's always in 2007 ?

[The Truth Is In There]

So far, I am about the only one on this thread to have offered some data

so you noticed at last. perhaps you should open an "official elenin data" thread.

[Hervé]

Interesting corollary admission...

[Hervé]

Okay I am officially freaked out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0VTktZBi9A



This may help reduce the freaking-out fit?



Sunday, June 26, 2011

Comet 2010 X1 Elenin, Nibiru and Google Sky


Virtual telescopes such as Google Sky (http://www.google.com/sky/), World Wide Telescope (http://www.worldwidetelescope.org/Home.aspx) and Wiki Sky (http://www.wikisky.org/) have allowed people to explore the sky in great detail at many different wavelengths. However, if you are not familiar with the sky some things may be of great puzzlement; especially the difference in view between the infrared sky views and the visual data.

First off you should know something about the images. All the programs use the same databases, for example the Palomar Deep Sky Survey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Geographic_Society_%E2%80%93_Palomar_Observatory_Sky_Survey) for visual data, and the IRAS survey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRAS) for infrared images. There are (very) minor discrepancies in the location and appearance of objects between the three programs due to they way the images are digitized/compressed and stitched together, but they are using exactly same images.

Another thing to remember is that the DSS plates date from 1956-1958 (yes, that's right), and the IRAS images date from 1983. So they reflect the sky situation decades ago. Nonetheless, the sky revealed by these images can be quite astounding.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FgKwPBKWZpo/SpRZMJQFtMI/AAAAAAAABoc/OydnxbNi_vQ/s320/Google_visible.png (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FgKwPBKWZpo/SpRZMJQFtMI/AAAAAAAABoc/OydnxbNi_vQ/s1600-h/Google_visible.png) http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FgKwPBKWZpo/SpRZLnvH32I/AAAAAAAABoU/LhwadiF7npc/s320/Google_IRAS.png (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FgKwPBKWZpo/SpRZLnvH32I/AAAAAAAABoU/LhwadiF7npc/s1600-h/Google_IRAS.png)

Take for example this image of a bright, angry looking object in the IR view of Google Sky (right image, also seen in world wide telescope and wiki sky, search on the following coordinates 09:47:27, 13:16:27), absent from the visible light view (left image).

This object is now being touted as comet Elenin, a while ago it was being touted as Nibiru (http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/2009/08/nibiru-it-is-not.html). In fact it is is the carbon star (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_star) CW Leonis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC_%2B10216) (also known as IRC +10216, PK 221+45 1 and the Peanut Nebula (http://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/sim-id?Ident=IRC+%2B10216&jsessionid=9B28A5414FB4CCC3FF061DAD0CCB1629)). CW Leonis is the brightest object in the 10 μm infrared sky, and well known to experienced observers. But if you are new to the field, it can look quite mysterious.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mDD-d1NSz1I/Tgc-g0Zeb4I/AAAAAAAADgM/tTjjY9UEK_A/s320/Wikisky_Arifact_1.png (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mDD-d1NSz1I/Tgc-g0Zeb4I/AAAAAAAADgM/tTjjY9UEK_A/s1600/Wikisky_Arifact_1.png) http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YcU8Wgdjtas/Tgc-hDq7sSI/AAAAAAAADgU/cwMZT-sv7Pk/s320/Wikisky_Artifact_2.png (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YcU8Wgdjtas/Tgc-hDq7sSI/AAAAAAAADgU/cwMZT-sv7Pk/s1600/Wikisky_Artifact_2.png)

Now take a look at the object in the left hand image above (this time in Wikisky at 06h 08m 55s, 22 47' 21", you can find it at the same coordinates in Google Sky and WorldWide Telescope). This also has been claimed to represent Nibiru (http://www.✰.net/nibiru-planet-x-maybe-update-wwt-is-the-newer-location/) and/or Elenin. It actually looks like a planetary nebula, a bit like the Cats Eye Nebula (http://www.✰.net/nibiru-planet-x-maybe-update-wwt-is-the-newer-location/), however, zooming out reveals its true nature (see image right).

It is an artifact, a vagrant blob of light on those plates, there's a few of them on the larger image (and some edge artifacts from differing exposures between the plates as they stitched the images together, Google sky uses a different approach to compressing the images, so the object and the other artifacts look slightly different). Despite being one of the best instruments of its time, the 48 inch telescope at Palomar Observatory did not always take perfect images.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4z90aqOCDL8/Tgc-gcuv2YI/AAAAAAAADgE/l5NKVDwNuuE/s320/Wikisky_SPica_Artifact2.png (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4z90aqOCDL8/Tgc-gcuv2YI/AAAAAAAADgE/l5NKVDwNuuE/s1600/Wikisky_SPica_Artifact2.png)

A nice example is this image near Spica in Virgo, where you can see an image of the primary mirror in the picture just above Spica (the bright star in the target box).

As well, while the Palomar survey was roughly only 99% complete, there are some areas where plates were not of high enough quality (or don't digitize well), some of these blank spots are claimed as "cover-ups", but just represent areas of data loss (http://www.2012hoax.org/google-sky) for one or more reasons.

Similarly, the IRAS survey was not complete (around 96% of the sky), and there are a number of missing frames where images weren't taken, or the images were defective.

So while the virtual telescopes can give us unprecedented views of the sky at multiple wavelengths, what you see can occasionally be difficult to interpret. Before rushing off to claim comets or brown dwarf stars, take a bit of time to become antiquated with astronomical objects, and the characteristics of the images. You may learn something wonderful.



Whole article: http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/2011/06/comet-2010-x1-elenin-nibiru-and-google.html

[ghostrider]

check out deep impact spaceship, a tool nasa has to knock out comets, they did it in 2005 I think it was . they zipped out and blasted a pretty big comet = the speed of their new craft will shock you the data is there, NASA 's new craft could cross the entire UNITED STATES in less than 15 seconds. something like over 60,000 mph.

[phillipbbg]

OK Amzer Zo is there any way that one can look at Images of space that are current on the web? without being flung backwards in time by the mass media owned versions we are all suckered into.

I would have thought there must be some way to access some live feeds of some sort... but do I have to buy a telescope of my own?? I presume this is the only real way to be sure....

For instance are these guys providing a real service?
http://www.squidoo.com/slooh

[Hervé]

OK Amzer Zo is there any way that one can look at Images of space that are current on the web? without being flung backwards in time by the mass media owned versions we are all suckered into.

I would have thought there must be some way to access some live feeds of some sort... but do I have to buy a telescope of my own?? I presume this is the only real way to be sure....

For instance are these guys providing a real service?
http://www.squidoo.com/slooh

There's always NASA's air brushed ones...

http://www.squidoo.com/slooh Looks like a good start to me. After all, it's with a similar setup that Elenin was discovered. However looking at their Jupiter shots, the magnification doesn't look too good, but a heluva lot better than any telescope you could own.

You can also get in touch with these guys: http://sydneystargazers.com/

Until Virgin and/or Cirque du Soleil bosses set up a public scope in outer space to rent to amateur astronomers... happy scope hunting!

[Mandala]

Amzer Zo, what is your bottom line opinion on the comet, the large astronomical body and the asteroid? If google sky is from '07, and this is a piddly little comet, is most of this pure distraction? Many people say Nibiru was destroyed years ago. You have a lot of data which I appreciate, but could you speculate a little from all you know and understand?

Thanks, Mandala

[Mutchie]

Amzer Zo, what is your bottom line opinion on the comet, the large astronomical body and the asteroid? If google sky is from '07, and this is a piddly little comet, is most of this pure distraction? Many people say Nibiru was destroyed years ago. You have a lot of data which I appreciate, but could you speculate a little from all you know and understand?

Thanks, Mandala

Most people seem to be saying that sept 26th is when the next allignment will occur that being said HOW BAD WILL IT BE ?:confused:

Alex Retrov got his August 17th prediction WRONG but thats not to say the rest of what he said wont come to pass -

Like when this brown dwarf star comes between us and the sun it will cover most of the sky and they say we can expect earthquakes around THE WHOLE PACIFIC RING IN EXCESS OF 12 TO 15 ON THE RICHTER SCALE......

Coastal citys worldwide could be flooded or worse he says our grid will go down and our magnetic field will go down along with it & he says a cosmic shockwave will blow our van allen belts , winds in excess of 1000mph

Im sitting here in little old Aberdeen which is on the east coast of Scotland & im practically right on the coast the water is 5 mins away & i have work to go to on a daily basis as a welder & im thinking SHOULD I BE TAKING TIME OFF ?

sHOULD I BE HEADING INLAND - I mean one allignment okay 2 allignments is pushing it but NO we have had 3 of them SOMETHING BIG IS GOING ON & yet here we are talking about it back & fore & back & fore i feel we will do this until WE ARE SWEPT AWAY BY A TSUNAMI or WORSE

REALLY I WISH THE GOVERMENTS WOULD WARN US..........

You see no matter how much research i or you do its convincing everyone else - THEY DONT WANT TO HEAR THIS STUFF.....they have houses to pay for and jobs to go to and to think we are close to facing a CATACLYSM they will look at you like you are NUTS.....NO ONE I KNOW IS EVEN TALKING ABOUT IT

EXCEPT ONLINE....... nah cant be real im just going to carry on as normal

TIME WILL TELL !

[nearing]

Mutchie,

Have you watched George Kavassilas' Our Journey and the Grand Deception? You can find it on You Tube.

You must meditate on your questions regarding this issue, go within for the answers. The answers are not the same for every person. We could all give you an opinion on what we would do in your situation, but that doesn't mean that's what YOU should do.

I think you will find some comfort from GK's presentation. :-)

[greybeard]

Hi Mutchie
My son is in Aberdeen and I cant tell him anything, thats just the way it is.
Another son in Dundee similar story.
Im in Inverness and like you minutes from the sea and no car for a quick exit.
For all that Im relaxed-- what will be will be.
Knowing at a deep level that I am not the body, Spirit having a human experience, is a great help.
My hobby was racing sailing dinghies and I have been very close to drowning several times and that would not be my preferred exit.
I honestly feel that we will be ok.
Be of good heart.
Best wishes
Chris

[Charlie Pecos]

What will be, will be.

Find peace within yourself, treat all you meet with the same kindness and consideration you yourself would like to be treated.
Have kindness and compassion for all living beings and mother earth.
Yesterday is gone.
Tomorrow may never come.
All we ever have is right now.
Why worry?
We have no control over these things and at most all we have is pure speculation.
Let us let go and embrace a symbiotic way of life, then these things won't matter so much any more.
No fear, OK? There are those who desire to cultivate fear in the hearts of men. Let us deny them their very sustenance and watch a beautiful age unfold before us! :)
FWIW

[Mutchie]

I know part of me feels NOTHING WILL HAPPEN then again Dooh ...best to think of something else me thinks or you could mad thinking of scenarios

[Mutchie]

FOR ME PERSONALLY I FIND THAT GREYBEARD ALWAYS TURNS OUT TO BE THE VIOCE OF REASON......I LIKE THAT

WE SHOULD START A FAN CLUB FOR HIM HE DESERVES IT....he comes across as being quite WISE

[greybeard]

Im laughing--- tell that to my sons Mutchie.
Ive just had my back to the wall longer than those younger than me.
Any wisdom comes from getting it wrong so many times.

Your thoughts are much appreciated though Mutchie

Comets come comets go.

Regards Chris

[HORIZONS]

What will be, will be.

Find peace within yourself, treat all you meet with the same kindness and consideration you yourself would like to be treated.
Have kindness and compassion for all living beings and mother earth.
Yesterday is gone.
Tomorrow may never come.
All we ever have is right now.
Why worry?
We have no control over these things and at most all we have is pure speculation.
Let us let go and embrace a symbiotic way of life, then these things won't matter so much any more.
No fear, OK? There are those who desire to cultivate fear in the hearts of men. Let us deny them their very sustenance and watch a beautiful age unfold before us! :)
FWIW

What a great post!!! and with a great line to sum it all up. If this isn't the truth I don't know what is. Thanks :thumb:

[The One]

JLr-6xafH8A

[kathymarie]

Very interesting but with a misleading title. Isn't this object really Sedna? For an interesting discussion of Sedna see http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/sedna.htm.

[Ammit]

Many thanks The One for posting this, I suppose now, It has been revealed and now new information will, hopefully, start popping out of the closet.

[greybeard]

Yes but the program is not saying where it is going--- its not saying its Elenin related as far as I can see though it may be Niberu.
Very few details except its weird-- miles from where other planets live.
Its massive bigger than Pluto.
There is no inference that its coming our way as far as I can see.
Good find though.

Chris

[kathymarie]

The gentlemen referenced in the video are not the discoverers of Elenin and the nomenclature of the heavenly body is not that of Elenin but of Eris...I misspoke earlier as Sedna. 2003 UB 313 is Eris.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello,

I've renamed this thread so that will not be so misleading. BBC did not confirm the presence of Nibiru with clip.

I make a plea again, to take the time and compose and original and fair title for the threads. Please keep in mind that we have to keep Avalon a source of important, and correct information (as much as possible) and we can do this with a simple good thread name.

PS: Please see Bill Ryan's notes here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7330-The-quality-of-Avalon-keeping-the-signal-to-noise-ratio-high&p=63045&viewfull=1#post63045) as to why this is important.

[Hervé]

Case closed:

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[G.A]

Yes but the program is not saying where it is going---
....
There is no inference that its coming our way as far as I can see.
Chris
Based on JPL's orbital software this planet is moving very slowly and is very far away. Following are photos of current position as of today and date of closest position in the near future. After this date it starts moving further again. It is noteworthy that over the next couple of years, this planet barely moves from the its position as shown on that orbital diagram.
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/795/16665630.jpg
http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/2613/10035246.jpg

In case my embedded photos don't show because of user status, here are links to the screenshots (hosted on imageshack):
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/795/16665630.jpg
http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/2613/10035246.jpg

[lightpotential]

Dear Group

I have now got a You Tube account where I can upload videos greater than 15 minutes, so I have deleted the 10 part lecture and replaced it with 1 single video. The link is as follows:

Nibiru: A critical evaluation, why Sitchin is wrong (http://www.youtube.com/user/Lightdescent?gl=GB&hl=en-GB#p/u/0/_Kpp27ql7-I)

Keith

[Hervé]

Amzer Zo, what is your bottom line opinion on the comet, the large astronomical body and the asteroid? If google sky is from '07, and this is a piddly little comet, is most of this pure distraction? Many people say Nibiru was destroyed years ago. You have a lot of data which I appreciate, but could you speculate a little from all you know and understand?

Thanks, Mandala

Elenin: a distraction/decoy for man made/enhanced catastrophes; similar to the box-cutter armed plane-highjakers of 9-11.

Nibiru: read/re-read post # 650 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Is-it-Comet-Elenin-Is-it-Nibiru-Elenin-Updates.&p=272050&viewfull=1#post272050) and post # 934 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Is-it-Comet-Elenin-Is-it-Nibiru-Elenin-Updates.&p=287311&viewfull=1#post287311)

Large astronomical body: idem (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Is-it-Comet-Elenin-Is-it-Nibiru-Elenin-Updates.&p=272050&viewfull=1#post272050)

Brown Dwarf coming within this solar system: fear and doom & gloom propaganda/psyop since this solar system wouldn't exist as it currently is. A binary system implies: Never the twain shall meet! See post # 650 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Is-it-Comet-Elenin-Is-it-Nibiru-Elenin-Updates.&p=272050&viewfull=1#post272050)

For a subjective take on "man-made" catastrophes, have a look at this video:

nNmTxoFWpMk

That video gives one a different story regarding recurrent meteorites/asteroids bombardments of Earth and other planets as well as cyclical, extinction level, meteorite generated catastrophes.

As for earthquakes of magnitude 12-15: bollocks!

For reasons having to do with rocks capacity to store and release stress energy, natural earthquakes cannot go beyond magnitude 10-10.5 on the Richter Scale.

Meteoritic impacts could.

My take is that our solar system is a binary star system and our Sun's twin is pulling on our Sun's strings, generating the observed changes not only on Earth but solar system wide.

There are changes, but there is a group of people making the most out of it at the expense of the rest of the population; feeding the fear and, conversely, feeding on it.

[ghostrider]

just a thought , what else has ever happened to affect not only our planet but the entire body of our solar system including making our sun go berzerk, remember we approach the GALACTIC CENTER OF THE MILKYWAY GALAXY..... we have an alien sky these days. We are going home, back to where we started. back to what we were before our earth mission. OUR 26,000 year mission , to seek out new life , new civilizations, to boldly go where no one has gone before. shhhhhhhhhh.... okay I'm dumb, but I needed comic relief ..... this $#!* worries me...augggg. raise your hand if you or someone you know has been to the galatic center of the milkyway lately......

[ghvind]

I appreciate your link to the BBC story. However, I don’t consider the reported object (2003 UB 313) to be a threat because it is three times farther from our sun than Pluto, and there is incomplete orbital info. Right now I am more concerned about what is going on in our consciousness. This BBC story picked up the Nibru chatter that fans fear and anxiety. If this BBC report goes beyond mild interest, then it can become a disservice. It can become another note of distraction that keeps BBC viewers from looking into the massive malfeasance and corruption that underlies our perilous global economic meltdown that originates in the global financial center London. We need more concern about having the resources necessary to prepare for a true celestial threat to the survival of our species.

[the trojan]

does not appear to be faked,and i can vouch for the accents being authentic.
brilliant footage though,which leads me to think that if this is honda or some other comet,then when and if or if and when nibiru/elenin appears,it will be quite visible to the naked eye,for a long time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEzmUA2yL10&feature=feedf

I have only linked to the video ,if anyone wants to go to the youtubers site and check it out ...I have only glanced at it so far,

also ,just as a side order here is a wee link to something prophetic in regard to three comets and their succession..with an end date!!
http://calleman.com/content/articles/Comets_Honda_Elenin.htm

and a snippet of discussion on the ukweatherworld site
http://www.ukweatherworld.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=44462&posts=10

it is nice footage

[Hervé]

Interesting...

Points to consider between start of video and end of video:

* Color of the "tail"

* direction of the "tail"

* path of the object to which the "tail" is attached

* speed of progression with respect to antenna: too slow for being a meteorite, too fast for being a comet

The only objects, I know of, which can turn a tail from white to reddish at sunset (as clouds do) + show a path at an angle to its "tail" progressing in a crab like fashion are these kind:


WpurK0gwC08

[dreamer]

looks like a weather balloon.... Yea, that's it, with a dash of swamp gas... Case closed

[Cjay]

Sure looks like it could be the winged "planet" but the speed of movement across the sky would seem impossible for something that's supposedly still just over 1 AU from Earth. It's interesting that we can see two tails but even at highest zoom, we can't see the planet/comet itself. The image in the video does correlate with a diagram I saw recently of two tails - a dust tail and a gas tail. It would be nice to know what time of day the video was shot, as well as the direction of the object.

[WhiteFeather]

Definately A Chinese Lantern without a doubt, And Shaped Like a V. Only Kidding. Great Post.

[nearing]

It doesn't seem to be moving at all, just hanging there sort of like a setting sun.

The accent seems Irish, Scottish, or British, not Kiwi.

Good find.

[bennycog]

great footage of whatever it is..

[Calz]

Hoagland's latest take on Elenin via Kerry's blog:


August 28, 2011

9630

Important update on Elenin from Richard C. Hoagland

Note: there is a disinfo campaign going on to spread the word that Elenin is disintegrating... this is not true!!!

From Richard C. Hoagland www.enterprisemission.com

"Stereo-B is one of two unmanned spacecraft NASA launched several years ago to study solar phenomenon; it is currently trailing about 90 degrees BEHIND the Earth ... just outside the Earth's solar orbit. Its companion spacecraft, Stereo-A, is about 90 degrees AHEAD of the Earth, slightly inside its orbit.

Elenin itself was at the orbit of Venus, and visually passing close to the Sun as seen from the vantage point of Stereo-B, when these images were taken.

This close (physically) to the Sun, Elenin is already strongly interacting with the "solar wind" -- the very low-density stream of highly-charged particles (mostly protons and electrons -- "solar plasma"), ejected at immense speed from the Sun's surface (and seen during total solar eclipses as "the solar corona"). The solar wind usually blows outward through the solar system at an average speed of ~500 miles per second!

Occassional CMEs (coronal mass ejections) can dramatically enhance the local density and speed of the solar wind, which can then interact with comets in very visible and spectacular ways ... usually greatly distorting their normally-straight "ion tails" (created by gases evaporating off the comet) into vivid "kinks" ... "corkscrews" ... and even "90-degree bends."

The attached NASA images reveals what happened to Elenin as a sudden CME interacted with it, just a few days ago.

It shows that AROUND the actual "nucleus" of Elenin suddenly appeared a stunning GEOMETRIC shape ... created by some kind of "force field." This field, interacting with the stream of charged protons and electrons in the CME, made this Elenin "field" suddenly, strikingly visible--

As an unmistakable, 3-D TETRAHEDRON!

This precise geometric shape is total confirmation of, and entirely consistent with, all the "19.5's" I've been analyzing over the past several months ... re Elenin's ~13,000-year orbital trajectory into the inner solar system!

The sudden visibility of this immense "geometric structure" (which is obviously NOT a "physical object," but only a "geometric field of force ... over 300,000 miles across (!) ... seen strongly interacting with the highly charged solar wind") is only possible because Elenin is VERY close to the Sun itself now, where the density of the solar wind is high enough to make this "structure" briefly visible, especially during the density enhancement of a CME ....

Needless to say, such a "tetrahedral force field," coupled with Elenin's "tetrahedrally-defined" orbital parameters, removes ALL remaining scientific doubt that Elenin is NOT "natural" -- but is, in fact, an Artificial Object (some kind of "ship")--

Sent into the inner solar system ~13,000 years ago (our model) ... on some kind of "directed interplanetary Mission."

It is, as Arthur C. Clarke wrote so many years ago, "something Wonderful ...." possibly (as I said on "Coast" the last time I was on ...) some kind of "ark" or "time capsule" ... sent to us at this crucially-important time to give us the means to (literally) "save the Earth."

Obviously, this latest discovery increases the urgency to get as many "hams and radio astronomers as possible" involved, to see if there are actual radio (or laser) TRANSMISSIONS currently coming from this object!

The future is about to get VERY, VERY interesting in the next few days and weeks .... :)

Here (below) is the direct link to the NASA Stereo-B Elenin video footage, posted on Leonid Elenin's official website."

http://spaceobs.org/en/2011/08/24/interaction-between-comet-elenin-and-coronal-mass-ejection-from-the-sun/



http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html

[the trojan]

It doesn't seem to be moving at all, just hanging there sort of like a setting sun.

The accent seems Irish, Scottish, or British, not Kiwi.

Good find.

Scottish,the guys tag is scots related too.
As I stated,he has a site,but I have not checked it out yet.

[<8>]

Must be something enters the upper atmosphere of Earth, things dont start to burn B4 they enter the atmospere right?

But it doesn't seem to be moving, sooo there is a big chance it's a fake.

....hmmmm

who am i to say

[mahalall]

This appears to be a classic example of a Vector,

ref to the work of Jose Ecamilla, documentary: Moon Rising.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9_cCdKRNhk

on this link, if short of time scroll onto about 0:40 and a detailed explanation is presented on vectors.

The question then arises if this a vector how should it be interpreted to that place and time?

[Tane Mahuta]

great footage of whatever it is..

Hi Ben....

Geez....I wish the freakin camera would stay still...can't see anything lol

TM

[nearing]

just a thought , what else has ever happened to affect not only our planet but the entire body of our solar system including making our sun go berzerk, remember we approach the GALACTIC CENTER OF THE MILKYWAY GALAXY..... we have an alien sky these days. We are going home, back to where we started. back to what we were before our earth mission. OUR 26,000 year mission , to seek out new life , new civilizations, to boldly go where no one has gone before. shhhhhhhhhh.... okay I'm dumb, but I needed comic relief ..... this $#!* worries me...augggg. raise your hand if you or someone you know has been to the galatic center of the milkyway lately......

I don't think we are heading towards the Galactic Center any time soon, we reside on an arm near the edge of the Galaxy. But some energy wave (David Sereda) FROM the Galactic Center is heading our way, if not already engulfing us AND we do go up and down in a waveform pattern over the Galactic Ecliptic and are very near to being dead on it now.

These 2 phenomena taken together explain that we are in very unknown territory in the Galaxy and this could be the cause of many physical AND spiritual changes we are experiencing with or without the help of a binary dwarf star.

[Mutchie]

I dont know if i trust Hoagland as much as i used to i feel he is tool who is used by the powers that be ,he is known to be very popular with the masses I WILL BE VERY SURPRISED IF HE IS RIGHT....I mean a time capsule..... now if he had said it was a ship possibly controlled by the annunaki i might of bought into that because after all wasnt nibiru or one of its moons supposed to be populated by our original makers

Wheres Greybeard when i need him ? lol i want a rational opinion :p

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

I dont know if i trust Hoagland as much as i used to i feel he is tool who is used by the powers that be ,he is known to be very popular with the masses I WILL BE VERY SURPRISED IF HE IS RIGHT....I mean a time capsule..... now if he had said it was a ship possibly controlled by the annunaki i might of bought into that because after all wasnt nibiru or one of its moons supposed to be populated by our original makers

Wheres Greybeard when i need him ? lol i want a rational opinion :p

Hi.
Don't forget about the "Black Knight" satellite.

I myself believe that Hoagland is spinning one here.

[TargeT]

I dont know if i trust Hoagland as much as i used to i feel he is tool who is used by the powers that be ,he is known to be very popular with the masses I WILL BE VERY SURPRISED IF HE IS RIGHT....I mean a time capsule..... now if he had said it was a ship possibly controlled by the annunaki i might of bought into that because after all wasnt nibiru or one of its moons supposed to be populated by our original makers

Wheres Greybeard when i need him ? lol i want a rational opinion :p


Hoagland is most likely confused on some very major points.

Since none of us truly "know" any of this information it IS all speculation, discernment is key (and difficult).

IF elenin is an "E-class" body, then it may be something artificial, & MAY have some sort of effect (as I described earlier) either amplifying the suns gravo-magnetic force on the earth, or possibly some other electro/magnetic/gravitational effect (they are all closely tied together, gravity AND magnetic forces can be amplified endlessly, as they are a local force and this does not break any laws of conservation) to me this is a POSSIBILITY.

another possibility: this is all being used to continue the problem-reaction-solution, there will be hype, fear induced control tech.s etc... the good thing is these are easy to spot so stay vigilant.

[HORIZONS]

Maybe Hoagland thinks this is like the New Jerusalem - the city of God - coming down from heaven to the earth. ;)

[Hervé]

Bye-bye Elenin...


From: http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/sc.htm
LATEST IMAGES
http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/Images/2010x1_20110829_mm2.jpg http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/Images/Elenin%20disrupition.gif
C/2010 X1 Elenin
2011 Aug 29.38UT
Left: 10x10second exposures. C11 SCT and Starlight Express MX7c CCD imager.
Right: Animation of 5 images taken Aug 19,22,23,27,29 displaying the nucleus in the process of disintegrating.




RIP, it's been fun while you lasted. :sad:

[nearing]

Bye-bye Elenin...


From: http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/sc.htm
LATEST IMAGES
http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/Images/2010x1_20110829_mm2.jpg http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/Images/Elenin%20disrupition.gif
C/2010 X1 Elenin
2011 Aug 29.38UT
Left: 10x10second exposures. C11 SCT and Starlight Express MX7c CCD imager.
Right: Animation of 5 images taken Aug 19,22,23,27,29 displaying the nucleus in the process of disintegrating.



RIP, it's been fun while you lasted. :sad:

This is great! Now we can see what happens on those 'alignment' days without the comet...

[Hervé]

This is great! Now we can see what happens on those 'alignment' days without the comet...


Yep!

I guess it's time for GooTubers to jump ship and get onto Garradd...

[Mandala]

As far as problem, reaction, solution: The mainstream media or its scientists have not proposed Elenin as a problem; therefore really no reaction has happened except speculation from alternative media and its followers, so no solution is needed for average Joe public.

It seems we have Hoagland saying it could be artificial, at one time even a ship. We have had the naval pilot who says he flies for the naval space program and says Elenin is broadcasting something on shortwave band which we will find "surprising".

In Kerry's latest blog, Hoagland says the following:

From Richard C. Hoagland www.enterprisemission.com

"Stereo-B is one of two unmanned spacecraft NASA launched several years ago to study solar phenomenon; it is currently trailing about 90 degrees BEHIND the Earth ... just outside the Earth's solar orbit. Its companion spacecraft, Stereo-A, is about 90 degrees AHEAD of the Earth, slightly inside its orbit.

Elenin itself was at the orbit of Venus, and visually passing close to the Sun as seen from the vantage point of Stereo-B, when these images were taken.

This close (physically) to the Sun, Elenin is already strongly interacting with the "solar wind" -- the very low-density stream of highly-charged particles (mostly protons and electrons -- "solar plasma"), ejected at immense speed from the Sun's surface (and seen during total solar eclipses as "the solar corona"). The solar wind usually blows outward through the solar system at an average speed of ~500 miles per second!

Occassional CMEs (coronal mass ejections) can dramatically enhance the local density and speed of the solar wind, which can then interact with comets in very visible and spectacular ways ... usually greatly distorting their normally-straight "ion tails" (created by gases evaporating off the comet) into vivid "kinks" ... "corkscrews" ... and even "90-degree bends."

The attached NASA images reveals what happened to Elenin as a sudden CME interacted with it, just a few days ago.

It shows that AROUND the actual "nucleus" of Elenin suddenly appeared a stunning GEOMETRIC shape ... created by some kind of "force field." This field, interacting with the stream of charged protons and electrons in the CME, made this Elenin "field" suddenly, strikingly visible--

As an unmistakable, 3-D TETRAHEDRON!

This precise geometric shape is total confirmation of, and entirely consistent with, all the "19.5's" I've been analyzing over the past several months ... re Elenin's ~13,000-year orbital trajectory into the inner solar system!

The sudden visibility of this immense "geometric structure" (which is obviously NOT a "physical object," but only a "geometric field of force ... over 300,000 miles across (!) ... seen strongly interacting with the highly charged solar wind") is only possible because Elenin is VERY close to the Sun itself now, where the density of the solar wind is high enough to make this "structure" briefly visible, especially during the density enhancement of a CME ....

Needless to say, such a "tetrahedral force field," coupled with Elenin's "tetrahedrally-defined" orbital parameters, removes ALL remaining scientific doubt that Elenin is NOT "natural" -- but is, in fact, an Artificial Object (some kind of "ship")--

Sent into the inner solar system ~13,000 years ago (our model) ... on some kind of "directed interplanetary Mission."

It is, as Arthur C. Clarke wrote so many years ago, "something Wonderful ...." possibly (as I said on "Coast" the last time I was on ...) some kind of "ark" or "time capsule" ... sent to us at this crucially-important time to give us the means to (literally) "save the Earth."

Obviously, this latest discovery increases the urgency to get as many "hams and radio astronomers as possible" involved, to see if there are actual radio (or laser) TRANSMISSIONS currently coming from this object!

The future is about to get VERY, VERY interesting in the next few days and weeks .... :)

Here (below) is the direct link to the NASA Stereo-B Elenin video footage, posted on Leonid Elenin's official website."

http://spaceobs.org/en/2011/08/24/interaction-between-comet-elenin-and-coronal-mass-ejection-from-the-sun/


So my question to you guys, is are we any closer to finding out what this thing is, or is it more of an enigma?
Is there a Nibiriu? We have heard it was destroyed in the past. Is that a lie?
Is the large object we are seeing the asteroid that will be coming between earth and the moon?
Is there really another object besides Elenin or is it one in the same?
What about Dr. Mensur Omerbashich's theory about comets and possible earthquakes.
Does this "thing" have an electrical capacitor and store charges?


See Calz Avaretard post 1061 for pictures

[Mandala]

What will be, will be.

Find peace within yourself, treat all you meet with the same kindness and consideration you yourself would like to be treated.
Have kindness and compassion for all living beings and mother earth.
Yesterday is gone.
Tomorrow may never come.
All we ever have is right now.
Why worry?
We have no control over these things and at most all we have is pure speculation.
Let us let go and embrace a symbiotic way of life, then these things won't matter so much any more.
No fear, OK? There are those who desire to cultivate fear in the hearts of men. Let us deny them their very sustenance and watch a beautiful age unfold before us! :)
FWIW

What a great post!!! and with a great line to sum it all up. If this isn't the truth I don't know what is. Thanks :thumb:

Still keep coming back to this!!!!@!

[Hervé]

:dance::dance::dance:


http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/Images/Elenin%20disrupition.gif


:dance::dance::dance:

[Mandala]

Thought you might find this interesting. The ISS is being temporarily left vacant during the coming months.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbuhXFMvTnQ


second video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2duQNCkMXY

[astrid]

RHC is going to be on coast tonight, this is from his FB page ....

"BULLETIN:

I will be on "Coast" tonight -- LAST two hours -- to discuss several MAJOR new developments:

Our recent, stunning discovery that Elenin is "a TETRAHEDRAL spaceship" ... currently sailing ever closer to the sun (see new image -- below); NASA's sudden decision to (temporarily?) "abandon" the International Space Station -- beginning in late November -- due to "unknown problems" with the Russian Soyuz FB rocket system, ESSENTIAL to sending astronauts and cosmonauts to the Space Station in the wake of the US Space Shuttle program closing down; and, the recent string of bizarre "natural disasters" that have happened from the East to the West Coasts, disasters which have the eerie "signature" of actually being "manmade" ....

On Elenin:

Here is the latest Enterprise Elenin imaging (below) -- produced from an original NASA STEREO-B satellite video, the latter recorded during Elenin's recent encounter with a solar CME (coronal mass ejection), August 19th.

The new image-composite (made from THREE "40-second HI-1 camera frames") reveals several additional, startling details about Elenin's now strikingly "tetrahedral shield" (which we discovered only last week) -- that is apparently protecting "Elenin the spacecraft" (deep inside this shield) from excess solar radiation.

The well-known technique of "stacking" independent image frames, to "increase signal and suppress noise," is an old one -- used successfully by professional and amateur astronomers alike. On this composite image, the brighter "knobs" at the apex of each of the three visible tetrahedral vertices can now easily be seen, as well as the striking "rounded symmetry" of each tetrahedral "vertex."

The full dimensions of this extraordinary "geometric force structure" now measures more than ~300,000 miles along each edge -- more than 1.5 times the distance of Earth from the Moon!

Needless to say, there is NO QUESTION now regarding the artificial nature of this object/structure; in several hundred years of astronomers observing comets -- including, over two decades of satellite imagery specifically to study interactions with the solar wind -- such an obviously ARTIFICIAL, GEOMETRIC structure has NEVER BEEN OBSERVED.

The fact that this astonishing structure is also a precise "tetrahedron" -- echoing the deeply "tetrahedral" numbers associated with Elenin's very trajectory into the inner solar system! -- is even more extraordinary. It definitely confirms that the overwhelming "message of Elenin" is--

"Hyperdimensional Physics!"

In the next three days, Elenin will encounter its SECOND major CME (according to Leonid Elenin's official website -- http://spaceobs.org/en/tag/comet-elenin/#); at that time, the H1-2 camera on Stereo-B (and maybe on STEREO-A) will be capable of acquiring new images, hopefully gathering even more precise scientific details on this extraordinary GEOMETRIC structure.

Stay tuned TONIGHT .... :)"

Thats 10pm - 2am PT

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/

I'm sure it will be on youtube soon after.....

[aranuk]

I just don't think that little telescope is capable of imaging Pluto or anything out that far. And what he claims is an Astral Patroit (Patriot?) 18" telescope, is actually a Meade ETX-70. The telescope he's using is clearly not an 18" telescope. That would be 18" diameter optical mirror. Clearly not what is shown.

(not my own words)

Then he says he's looking near Pluto for Elenin. Assuming this video was made around the date it was posted on YouTube, February 16th, or any time since Elenin was discovered in December, the angular separation between Elenin and Pluto would be over 95 degrees. Literally, they're in opposite sides of the sky. So why is he looking anywhere near Pluto for it?

Then he looks around Saturn. While Elenin would be much closer to Saturn at this time, there are still over 15 degrees of separation between the two, too much to get both in the same frame at such high magnification as used in the video. He's zoomed in close enough to see Titan, which would have about 0.04 degrees of separation from Saturn.

He then shows this image, which makes it look like Pluto, Neptune, and Eris are all close to each other in the sky

Also, I've heard that nobody has been able to see "Nibiru/Planet X" because it is moving toward us from the southern hemisphere of space.
...just throwing that out there!

Hi iluminaughty at the moment and several months ago Pluto and Neptune are roughly 55 degrees separate. In the sky the diameter of the moon or sun is half a degree so in the night sky 55 degrees apart would be impossible to be in the same frame as the first post here shows them. Puppycock. I am not an astronomer however I am an astrologer and I do know where the planets are.

Stan

[Mandala]

Does the ISS personnel being recalled remind anyone of the Ed Dames remote viewing prophecy where the "space shuttle " was recalled due to meteorites. Instead it's the International Space Station instead of the shuttle.

Prophecy is an incorrect term, probably.

[astrid]

Talk about extremes, you should hear the "official" NASA ( never a straight answer) story on this one......

AwZb-ERpY-U

[nearing]

I love how they choose an old guy to chastise the public like children.

The one statement that really stuck out me: no celestial object could cause earthquake here. Wow, that sure is a pretty big absolute blanket statement!

He didn't even address the issue of a binary system. Sorry, guy, you represent a governmental agency, therefore, all you say is suspect.

[vibrations]

I have some knowledge (and if there is someone else with it too, would be a lot better) about Paul Eckart micro mimic deception reading. The guy on a NASA video is lying on every clue sentence. IMHO

[greybeard]

It seems a bit irrelevant as the latest story is that Elenin is breaking up.
That does not explain the alignments and earth quakes though.
I know nothing-- laughing
Chris

[the trojan]

the whole ark theory is probably based on arthur c clarkes 'rendezvous with rama'
hoagland is a fan,hey,I am a fan also.
try it you may like it.

[Calz]

It seems a bit irrelevant as the latest story is that Elenin is breaking up.

That does not explain the alignments and earth quakes though.

I know nothing-- laughing

Chris

In this case we will certainly know soon enough ...


Note: there is a disinfo campaign going on to spread the word that Elenin is disintegrating... this is not true!!!

From Richard C. Hoagland www.enterprisemission.com

[teddyc1]

Thanks Amzer. Very interesting repost of the binary twin scenario.

However, regarding Sitchin and Velikovsky:

"To start with, Sitchin works is only found under the "Fiction" section of a library.

"[...]
"... and ... and... Velikovsky's stuff as well as McCanney's or those Thunderstorms of the Gods' stuff... awe inspiring, indeed..."


OK, while has been observed that Sitchen's material is only found in the "fiction" section... but, the same is true of Velikovsky's stuff too.

As anyone can see here:
http://www.skepdic.com/velikov.html

and here:
http://forums.randi.org/archive/index.php/t-179497.html


Clearly, Velikovsky was quite wrong about Venus. Further, evidently he copied many of his ideas from "Ragnarok" by Ignatius Donnelly:

http://www.stanford.edu/~meehan/donnelly/velikov.html

Happy searching,

Teddy

[astrid]

SzIZE6lOXlY

Not sure about this one.

Here is more info on Sanni Ceto. Mel interviewed her in 2009, including the first hour of his interview with her, ( click on the Right)

http://www.veritasshow.com/guests/2009/09sep/VS-090904-sceto.php

The probe concept does, however confer with something that Alex Collier said, i will see if i can dig out the exact clip in that, it was pretty interesting....

[teddyc1]

Hi Yiola;

"Please tell me what you think it is. The weirdest thing is that the object is not a regular smooth ball, but appears to have wings!"

It's lens flare. It will happen with shapes placed in different positions depending on the lens inside the camera - happens all the time when cameras are pointed at the sun. Basically, overly bright light bouncing around the glass inside parts of the camera.

All the best,

Teddy,
Israel

[jcocks]

It seems a bit irrelevant as the latest story is that Elenin is breaking up.
That does not explain the alignments and earth quakes though.
I know nothing-- laughing
Chris


Hmm... Evil though just came to my mind : Are we sure it's not just "shedding its' skin" ???

I know, crazy....but we're in the realms of crazy here! :D

[bennycog]

any chance of getting any news on whether it has really broken up or not? :)

[Hervé]

There ya go...

From: http://sydneystargazers.com/


And so it begins: The Death of Comet Elenin – Part 1 (http://sydneystargazers.com/2011/08/31/and-so-it-begins-the-death-of-comet-elenin-part-1/)•August 31, 2011 • 8 Comments (http://sydneystargazers.com/2011/08/31/and-so-it-begins-the-death-of-comet-elenin-part-1/#comments)
When we mentioned a few months ago that comet elenin was likely to be a disappointing comet, we did not know how true that was going to be.
It has now been confirmed that comet elenin is disintegrating and the pictures coming from astronomers are showing just that.

In the last 12 days, Elenin is reported to have faded by as much as 80% and the latest findings show that Elenin is seen only as a smear and there is no sign of central condensation.

When we talk about a comet’s degree of condensation , we look at either the degree of condensation of the coma (atmosphere) or the degree of condensation of the nucleus.

In this case ,we are talking about comet Elenin having no central condensation, in other words of the nucleus…… and this roughly means there is no longer a nucleus to comet Elenin.

This has been measured by an E12 instrument which is used to gauge the level of condensation of a comet.

Our next post will talk about why a comet that has been travelling the solar system for at least 11,000 years suddenly breaks up.

As for the conspiracies created for this comet, we guess they will will have to find something else to worry about. Perhaps that is now why the title of Planet-X has been given to a comet due in 2013.

The picture below shows the twelve days in the destruction of comet Elenin. In each of the 12 images, comet Elenin is the black shape in the center of the image.


http://sydneystargazers.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/the-death-of-comet-elenin-1.jpg?w=497&h=192 (http://sydneystargazers.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/the-death-of-comet-elenin-1.jpg)


The Death of Comet Elenin Part 1

Posted in Notes (http://sydneystargazers.com/category/notes/)

[Hervé]

It seems a bit irrelevant as the latest story is that Elenin is breaking up.

That does not explain the alignments and earth quakes though.

I know nothing-- laughing

Chris

In this case we will certainly know soon enough ...

Not only the plane high-jackers of 9-11 were armed with box-cutters, but the box-cutters had no blades...


Note: there is a disinfo campaign going on to spread the word that Elenin is disintegrating... this is not true!!!

From Richard C. Hoagland www.enterprisemission.com (http://www.enterprisemission.com)

Interesting perspective... anything contradicting one's lies becomes disinfo... me think RCH's gona need crutches soon... both of his feet having suffered some obscure, self inflicted, gun injuries... unless he manages to convince his pals to deroute the "Black Knight" prehistoric satellite onto Elenin's path... other speculations.

[greybeard]

Well we all know that the Americans blew the damn thing out of the sky--- Lol
Bit like the traffic cop--- I fired two warning shots ---- into his head-- well he was speeding.

Its ok Im in a silly mood.
Life is only as serious as you care to make it.
I tried that, I didn't like, it I don't do that now.!!!!!!

Chris

[Hervé]

RCH pushing the agenda to the max: a reminder from Carol Rosin...


eJ6o0-ghYRg

[Hervé]

Thanks Amzer. Very interesting repost of the binary twin scenario.

[...]

Clearly, Velikovsky was quite wrong about Venus.

[...]
Teddy

Hi Teddy!

Not so sure about Velikosky being wrong about Venus: Check what this guy has to say about Venus, its orbit and its "venerophysics" (as compared to "geo-physics")... doesn't properly belong to this planetary system.


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[Calz]

It seems a bit irrelevant as the latest story is that Elenin is breaking up.

That does not explain the alignments and earth quakes though.

I know nothing-- laughing

Chris

In this case we will certainly know soon enough ...

Not only the plane high-jackers of 9-11 were armed with box-cutters, but the box-cutters had no blades...


Note: there is a disinfo campaign going on to spread the word that Elenin is disintegrating... this is not true!!!

From Richard C. Hoagland www.enterprisemission.com (http://www.enterprisemission.com)

Interesting perspective... anything contradicting one's lies becomes disinfo... me think RCH's gona need crutches soon... both of his feet having suffered some obscure, self inflicted, gun injuries... unless he manages to convince his pals to deroute the "Black Knight" prehistoric satellite onto Elenin's path... other speculations.


I am still "playing the messenger" on this one ... :behindsofa:

From Kerry's blog:


August 30, 2011

IS ELENIN BREAKING UP?? COMMENT FROM RICHARD C. HOAGLAND - EXCLUSIVE

...."No time ... and actually, a bit of an oxymoron:

How can an artificial object -- demonstrably NOT an "ordinary comet" now -- physically "disintegrate?"

We have NO actual images of this "disintegration," only Internet claims -- endlessly repeated (of course) ....

Those claims, in fact, are based on ONE "iffy" observation the last couple days, by a SINGLE ground-based, Australian amateur astronomer -- trying to view Elenin "one last time" before it gets too close to sun ... as seen from the Southern Hemisphere.

The statement is based on his perception that "Elenin seems to have dimmed."

Basing his claims re "disintegration" on the fact that ORDINARY comets dim when they disintegrate, he (logically) ASSUMES that this is what is going on with THIS "comet!"

Of course, in the artificial scenario, such dimming (if it is real ... a BIG unknown) could have MANY other causes -- not the least of which, Elenin's ARTIFICIAL release of internal atmosphere, designed to initially capture astronomers' attention beyond the orbit of Jupiter, has now served its purpose--

And, the "next Phase" of its Mission (in our model) is about to begin ... as it approaches its September 11th Closest Approach to the Sun.

And, the key September 26th CONJUNCTION, just a couple weeks later ....

Based on the NUMBERS I cited last night, I expect "surprises" in the days ahead ....

Stay tuned. :)"


RCH

Note: I am currently checking with other sources on this as well. More soon...--Kerry

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html

[Hervé]

[...]
I am still "playing the messenger" on this one ... :behindsofa:

From Kerry's blog:

[...]


Beware of stray bullets...



[...]

Bit like the traffic cop--- I fired two warning shots ---- into his head-- well he was speeding.

[...]

Chris

[Calz]

[...]
I am still "playing the messenger" on this one ... :behindsofa:

From Kerry's blog:

[...]


Beware of stray bullets...



[...]

Bit like the traffic cop--- I fired two warning shots ---- into his head-- well he was speeding.

[...]

Chris

He seems to be painting himself into a corner this time ... for better or worse.

Another "Clif High tipping point moment"???

Cal

[jcocks]

Latest post from Kerry's blog :


August 31, 2011

ELENIN -- chinese source

According to my Chinese source Elenin does not have a 300,000 force field. He stresses that Elenin is of no concern but that the craft accompanying it are... and that those craft have now gone 'stealth'.

He also claims Elenin is getting dimmer due to "something else"... and that the military are concerned with something coming later. There is no way to verify this info or that this source is legitimate.

No matter what happens with Elenin, there's a definite date laid out by the Mayan calendar which should be of interest to us all, and that date will be soon......

My heart tells me that we're in for something big soon... The more I think over it, the more I think we're ready for the truth. It'll be a hell of a ride when the truth of our past starts to come out, but it's neccessary for what is to follow...

[Hervé]

August 31, 2011

ELENIN -- chinese source

According to my Chinese source Elenin does not have a 300,000 force field. He stresses that Elenin is of no concern but that the craft accompanying it are... and that those craft have now gone 'stealth'.

He also claims Elenin is getting dimmer due to "something else"... and that the military are concerned with something coming later. There is no way to verify this info or that this source is legitimate.


:dance::crazy_pilot::dance:
eJ6o0-ghYRg


:dance::crazy_pilot::dance:

[teddyc1]

I think the man you mean is Paul Eckman or perhaps Ekman - re: micro facial expressions

Here's a couple articles, each spelling his name differently, but interesting nonetheless:
http://www.blifaloo.com/info/microexpressions.php

http://blog.eyesforlies.com/2005/03/micro-expressions-test-yourself.html

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

Has this been posted yet.. quite eerie.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=botzv3vy_CE

[Hervé]

May be Elinin was sending out an S.O.S. signal... but I strongly doubt it.


From: http://sydneystargazers.com/

And so it begins: The Death of Comet Elenin – Part 2 (http://sydneystargazers.com/2011/08/31/and-so-it-begins-the-death-of-comet-elenin-%e2%80%93-part-2/)•August 31, 2011 • 7 Comments (http://sydneystargazers.com/2011/08/31/and-so-it-begins-the-death-of-comet-elenin-%e2%80%93-part-2/#comments)
We located an earlier image of comet Elenin from and we have processed the image to highlight what we believe is the initial breakup of Elenin a week ago.
The three white specks in our picture are what we believe to have been the initial broken pieces of Elenin’s nucleus a week ago. If our image is correct, this means that Elenin’s nucleus broke up initially into 3 pieces. Since then it appears those pieces have broken up into smaller pieces.
We are still analyzing this picture further to confirm it shows the breakup.


http://sydneystargazers.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/the-death-of-comet-elenin-2.jpg?w=211&h=205 (http://sydneystargazers.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/the-death-of-comet-elenin-2.jpg)

Posted in Notes (http://sydneystargazers.com/category/notes/)

[passiglight]

oh drat what a shame,,,,,,,,there was me thinking that elenin was the projector for the alien red flag event,,,,,,,,,which will be hosted by the gfl and the ascended greats, for our benevolent benefit,,,,,,,,,,

and now it's allegedly dissentegrated,,,,,,,,

Nah,,,,,,,,Advanced AI 's don't dissentegrate,,,,,,,

Oh what a grandiose show they are going to put on for us,,,,,,,,,shock and awe allright,,,,,,,,

cosmic

[passiglight]

By the way,,,,,,,if one is an advanced bit of kit that was put on a extra special long orbit,, you'r gonna collect a lot of space debris like dust etc,,,,,,,,,,,so before any technical ops can begin,you'd need to give oneself a thorough dusting and clean up,,,,,,,,,,

think tetrahedron,think,,,,,star of david,,,,plus xmas trees with star at top of tree,,,,,,,,,,,,think pyramids,,,,,,,,,,pharaohs,,,,,,,,,pliadians,,,,,,,etc etc,,,,,,you get ascended atlantean,,,,,,,imax

love

[hangel]

i just seen this video:
http://coupmedia.org/astro-physics/comet-elenin-mysteriously-explodes-3108
it claims that comet elenin exploded into pieces

[greybeard]

There is no Nibiru-- so claims the presenter of the video who is also an author.
Its a long video but if you have time its worth a view.
All down to frequencies.
Chris



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzr-xSFuEck&feature=player_embedded#!

[White Rabbit]

hmmm... need to look further into this... a quick google search brings up a lot of stuff as soon as 1 minute ago on elenin possibly exploding.... thanks...

[TargeT]

There is no Nibiru-- so claims the presenter of the video who is also an author.
Its a long video but if you have time its worth a view.
All down to frequencies.
Chris



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzr-xSFuEck&feature=player_embedded#!

I wrote off "nibiru" a long time ago...

Elenin and its interaction with the sun / earth as a magnetic /gravitational amplifyer is what I'm wondering about now.... anyone know when that "ribbon of energy" is supose to hit the earth? I wouldnt be supprized if it was in october..

[greybeard]

There is no Nibiru-- so claims the presenter of the video who is also an author.
Its a long video but if you have time its worth a view.
All down to frequencies.
Chris



I wrote off "nibiru" a long time ago...

Elenin and its interaction with the sun / earth as a magnetic /gravitational amplifyer is what I'm wondering about now.... anyone know when that "ribbon of energy" is supose to hit the earth? I wouldnt be supprized if it was in october..


Seems Elenin is disintegrating, evidence for that is mounting.
David Sereda said that the ribbon would arrive December 2012 but that was well over a year ago and he did say it was possible it would speed up-- it is immense.
I cant find the video where he mentioned this.
October 29th 2011 seems to be the accurate date for the end of the Mayan calender.

Not long to wait thats for sure.

Regards Chris

[cloud9]

I really don't understand the fear behind Elenin, if it was a really big comet perhaps but it's just a regular one. How come something so small compared with the sun and earth's size can possible have the effect of causing earthqueakes? It just doesn't make any sense to me.

I always wonder who started this Elenin "hype" and for what reasons. If the comet was discovered just last december and in March was so far away, how could it have any effect on earth?

I don't know but I think people are just following the herd of youtubers that are making videos galore just to make some money.

[Kindred]

Note: I've been able to find the link to the pdf of the original document for which this thread was started : http://www.scribd.com/doc/61802805/Nibiru-Final-Update

I also just viewed the video showing the supposed break up Elenin. I'm not certain of what I had viewed, but it did seem to show a large explosion with an emanating shock wave that appeared to cause Elenin's breaking into two pieces. It is suggested that 'Jupiter' was somehow involved. However, Jupiter is EXTREMELY far away, and could not have had Anything to do with this so-called explosion.

Also, after viewing this 'encounter' in another video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNbogW-k_e8 - it seemed to me that another satellite was approaching from below Elenin, and, just as the shock wave reached Elenin, the other satellite passed either behind, or in front of Elenin, giving the impression that Elenin separated into two objects.

It will take some more observations and analysis (and time) to properly sort this out. All this said, I can picture tptw doing Anything to prevent humankind's 'knowing' of what is soon to happen. I do have faith in the fact that there are far more powerful (and benevolent) entities at work here.

[TargeT]

Seems Elenin is disintegrating, evidence for that is mounting.
David Sereda said that the ribbon would arrive December 2012 but that was well over a year ago and he did say it was possible it would speed up-- it is immense.
I cant find the video where he mentioned this.
October 29th 2011 seems to be the accurate date for the end of the Mayan calender.

Not long to wait thats for sure.

Regards Chris

28th of october is what I keep reading (but I'm sure a wide error margine is due)

Elenin disinegrating... meh, I still have yet to actually see it with my eyes, so its all just "text on a screen" to me (ultimately) why would it disinegrate now??

I'll put that one to the side untill a little more piles up.. being an early adopter <of anything> never seems to work well for me



I really don't understand the fear behind Elenin, if it was a really big comet perhaps but it's just a regular one. How come something so small compared with the sun and earth's size can possible have the effect of causing earthqueakes? It just doesn't make any sense to me.

I always wonder who started this Elenin "hype" and for what reasons. If the comet was discovered just last december and in March was so far away, how could it have any effect on earth?

I don't know but I think people are just following the herd of youtubers that are making videos galore just to make some money.

Lots of good speculation on elenin & historical "land marks"

for example, the statue of liberty (or hell, most representations of liberty) can be equated to elenin over the constellation virgo (in her "hand" as it were) which is also a resonant history lesson,, when the "destroyer" (red kachina?) is in virgo's (virgin, justice, many names.. ISIS?) hand this is the pre warning for.... disaster? drastic change? could this be a pre-planted fear to put you out of a receptive mode for what is known to be a good, yet feared thing? (DNA upgrade theory..)

I don't have any answers, but I'm certainly not afraid.


as for how it (elenin) could have an effect.. I expect it will soon be publicaly known that we have been very wrong about the universe for a long time... quantum physics is no longer a "mystery" science & the "electro-magnetic universe" model (though I feel it should be magnetic/gravitational not electromagnetic for more accuracy) the "clouds" we see in space are actually fields of plasma & once you start thinking about standing waves, wave propigation & scalar waves along with the bodies & their spesific locations (a long with the fact that gravity and magnatism can be amplified ENDLESSLY with no violations in physics)... well it should make a lot more sense

[MorningSong]

Hey guys! Just ran across this! WOw!

Go to the link and take a look at additional links and info...research, research, research.

Elenin explodes - MASSIVE explosion DISINTEGRATES

Ti4vduEaclU

[teddyc1]

@SKIBADABOMSKI: It sounds like a hoax. If I had time to play around with it I'd take the video, strip out the audio and drop it into Logic for some audio editing and first off, flip it around. It sounds like it's a human voice recorded in a noisy environment (like near a computer fan), then the sound turned backwards and slowed down. Even at 400% it still sounds 400% too slow. Plus, where did the poorly written text for the video come from? Looks suspicious.

[teddyc1]

Now this is very strange: a 2-tailed comet? How is that even possible? And this is the same as the pics from about 2 weeks ago in Australia. Strange...

foXuw6HEkG4

[TargeT]

Hey guys! Just ran across this! WOw!

Go to the link and take a look at additional links and info...research, research, research.

Elenin explodes - MASSIVE explosion DISINTEGRATES


Interesting.. that's the type of reaction I'm curious about.. except from our sun when elenin is between the sun and us....

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

I don't think that an explosion from Jupiter or near Jupiter would travel 600 million miles and not damage anything else ie; Mercury but would destroy Elenin. I think it was just a flare.

The radio signals that I posted could be anything but this is what I believe we will be finding. Elenin is actually like a flying pyramid. Richard H. said this. Can you imagine that !!

A pyramid craft in orbit. Whoa !! some funky stuff going on here..

[learninglight]

Hi all

Thought this may be of some interest, they yap a bit at the start but gets interesting

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[Hervé]

Hey guys! Just ran across this! WOw!

Go to the link and take a look at additional links and info...research, research, research.

Elenin explodes - MASSIVE explosion DISINTEGRATES

Ti4vduEaclU

Hi MorningSong!

What happened to logic and "discernment?":


9666



Top Comments


You are not seeing an explosion, you are seeing a lens flare as the camera pans left. And Jupiter and Elenin are so far apart, it would take DAYS for any explosion to reach Elenin, not seconds like shown here. As an amateur astronomer, I have been watching Jupiter a lot lately, there has been no explosions. Please check things out better before you scare people, when these things go viral, brains also go viral, if you know what I mean.Znobyrd (http://www.youtube.com/user/Znobyrd) 12 hours ago 13 http://s.ytimg.com/yt/img/pixel-vfl3z5WfW.gif


Disinfo!
Please, Elenin hit in seconds after a explosion took place on Jupiter? Come on man....
Elenin is 600million miles away from Jupiter, no way it can be struck so quickly
Maybe, maybe the sun can have this effect after a X7 solarflare but thats it.
camel303 (http://www.youtube.com/user/camel303) 3 hours ago 5 http://s.ytimg.com/yt/img/pixel-vfl3z5WfW.gif


Sensational... yes... me think it's time for this as a reminder:


-------------

Hi, Guys, please listen up for a moment.

This thread is inspired by one of the recent 'disclosure prediction' threads that turned out to be yet another deliberate hoax (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7304-New-Prediction-Disclosure!-New-Date-Oct-29-2010!&p=63013&viewfull=1#post63013).

This is not a shot any any individual member here: but I strongly feel that Avalon members should have a responsibility NOT to forward fake or hokey predictions or 'channeled messages' - which is currently happening at a rate of one or more a week.

We don't need this kind of nonsense in a climate of the times that could not be more serious. There ARE very critical things happening quietly in the world, and the real signals get lost in all the 'noise'.

Be very sure that this is intended.

Folks, I ask you: don't needlessly add to the noise.

I always wanted Avalon to be about quality rather than quantity: for people to be able to come here quickly and find a digest of good information and intelligent discussion.

To re-post any junk on YouTube or Facebook that catches our eye, thinking we're doing the members a service, might be a well-intended error of judgment. Please always use your intelligence and discrimination.

I'm no friend or fan of ATS, but the mods there immediately deleted a thread about the recent "The Agency" 'prediction' of a 'radioactive satellite' over Munich on 20 October, that was really a forecast comet - not only because it was clearly false, but because the writer urged that it must 'go viral'.

They were quite correct to censor this cheap nonsense and stop it in its tracks. Our collective alternative knowledge base is being deliberately infected by information of zero or negative value in the same way as our computers (or bodies!) can become infected with viruses.

The presence of the zero-value add-ons decreases our capacity to function optimally. In this case, we're rendered less able to evaluate authentic information. This is one reason why I find myself increasingly unsympathetic to hoaxes, hoaxers and other forms of knowledge devaluation, and have made some of the decisions I've made in the last year.

This is not in any way 'censoring the truth movement': the real truth is far more incredible and unbelievable than any fiction.

I want to make the real truth easier to see by flitering out the distractions - some of which are deliberate, and some of which are just naive.

In 2005-6 I was closely involved in the 'Serpo story (http://serpo.org/final_update.php)'. It was a really valuable experience. Much of that was nonsense (and it got more and more ridiculous as the 'disclosure' was sabotaged from inside): but some was certainly true. It was worth discussing at first until it just became way too crazy and was eventually completely derailed. By that time I had abandoned it.

That's when I learned the priceless lesson that the truth in the alternative community is much more about PR than about actual facts. PR wins every time. And the insiders also understand this very well. They're masters at playing their cards.

So, don't help them win their game. Really intelligent analysis is the answer. But that takes time, and care, and real research. The insiders count on you not to bother to do all that.

They financed the creation of Facebook, and there's a good reason for their smart investment. The 'noise' is WAY amplified there. That's why I have no Facebook page, and never use it.

Indirectly related to this: please don't re-post YouTube videos with no comment, or with a simple statement like "Hey, Guys, look at this". I and many others will never watch a video unless someone tells me why I should spend the time. Please be smart and caring enough to summarize in your own words what the added value is.

Added value is what it's all about. If you're NOT adding value, then just keep reading. Though some of them are hard to find, Avalon has over 6,000 threads which contain enough good material to keep us all busy for a very long time.

My best wishes to all - Bill

[Hervé]

As for Hoagland, if he keeps shooting with is mouth, he won't have any hands left to hold his crutches...




August 30, 2011
IS ELENIN BREAKING UP?? COMMENT FROM RICHARD C. HOAGLAND - EXCLUSIVE
...."No time ... and actually, a bit of an oxymoron:
How can an artificial object -- demonstrably NOT an "ordinary comet" now -- physically "disintegrate?"

We have NO actual images of this "disintegration," only Internet claims -- endlessly repeated (of course) ....

Those claims, in fact, are based on ONE "iffy" observation the last couple days, by a SINGLE ground-based, Australian amateur astronomer -- trying to view Elenin "one last time" before it gets too close to sun ... as seen from the Southern Hemisphere.
The statement is based on his perception that "Elenin seems to have dimmed."


From: http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/sc.htm
http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/Images/Elenin%20disrupition.gif



From: http://sydneystargazers.com/
http://sydneystargazers.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/the-death-of-comet-elenin-1.jpg?w=497&h=192 (http://sydneystargazers.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/the-death-of-comet-elenin-1.jpg)
The Death of Comet Elenin Part 1


http://sydneystargazers.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/the-death-of-comet-elenin-2.jpg?w=211&h=205 (http://sydneystargazers.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/the-death-of-comet-elenin-2.jpg)
The Death of Comet Elenin Part 2


A blind leading other blinds... over a top of a cliff...

[MorningSong]

OK fine, Amzero. What a cutting way to say "hey, I think you're wrong, dearheart!".

Now that I have given you my energy (was going to say "you stole")....it went "swoosh" like an untied helium balloon. WOW! What a bummer!

I refuse to post anything further on this thread. You will be glad in your bliss.

:behindsofa:

[jcocks]

By the way,,,,,,,if one is an advanced bit of kit that was put on a extra special long orbit,, you'r gonna collect a lot of space debris like dust etc,,,,,,,,,,,so before any technical ops can begin,you'd need to give oneself a thorough dusting and clean up,,,,,,,,,,

think tetrahedron,think,,,,,star of david,,,,plus xmas trees with star at top of tree,,,,,,,,,,,,think pyramids,,,,,,,,,,pharaohs,,,,,,,,,pliadians,,,,,,,etc etc,,,,,,you get ascended atlantean,,,,,,,imax

love

I was going to say (actually, I have said) the same thing...

If Elenin is artificial, it's entirely plausible it has a layer of protection around it for its' long journey.... And maybe, as it reaches its' destination, it would shed that which it no longer needed (much like a rockets' fuel tanks drop off ('seperate') as they are no longer needed)...

It makes sense, if Elenin is indeed artificial and has not actually disintegrated as claimed...

But I don't honestly know what to believe anymore..... I'm just waiting to see if anything interesting happenes this month or next at this stage....

[stardustaquarion]

Elenin has disintegrated as per the information of a NASA insider, Dr. K Strong. I asked him about that several months ago and he said that he did not understand what was the fuss about. Anyway he made a fun video about the whole thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVm5fY6o6WA enjoy

Having burnt myself recently IMHO I think that we may benefit from being more scientifical about everything, speculation is ok but fearmongering for the sake of making money is not ok, nor is deception. I am glad that I did not buy the Elenin teleconference.... another one that bites the dust

[Operator]

Hmm, a pity that this thread develops this direction ... I think no one really knows what's happening but some claim
to know. In some cases it might be that people want to reassure themselves that nothing is wrong.

The simple fact that Elenin is so over hyped is already an indication the something is wrong ...

All the hype around a significant radio signal could very well be that TPTB planted a false message that humanity would
falsely take as straightening its history (was also an element of Bluebeam) and that somebody prevented it. Who knows.

Maybe it's time to just let this thread for what it is. If I look at the title then there is no reason to keep it open for Elenin.
The discussion if Nibiru exists probably deserves a thread of its own (maybe already exists).

There's however another topic in this thread being discussed that might need continuation ... but would need a separate
new thread too: the arrival of the energetic ribbon or superwave.

[greybeard]

Hey guys! Just ran across this! WOw!

Go to the link and take a look at additional links and info...research, research, research.

Elenin explodes - MASSIVE explosion DISINTEGRATES

Ti4vduEaclU

Hi MorningSong!

What happened to logic and "discernment?":


9666



Top Comments


You are not seeing an explosion, you are seeing a lens flare as the camera pans left. And Jupiter and Elenin are so far apart, it would take DAYS for any explosion to reach Elenin, not seconds like shown here. As an amateur astronomer, I have been watching Jupiter a lot lately, there has been no explosions. Please check things out better before you scare people, when these things go viral, brains also go viral, if you know what I mean.Znobyrd (http://www.youtube.com/user/Znobyrd) 12 hours ago 13 http://s.ytimg.com/yt/img/pixel-vfl3z5WfW.gif


Disinfo!
Please, Elenin hit in seconds after a explosion took place on Jupiter? Come on man....
Elenin is 600million miles away from Jupiter, no way it can be struck so quickly
Maybe, maybe the sun can have this effect after a X7 solarflare but thats it.
camel303 (http://www.youtube.com/user/camel303) 3 hours ago 5 http://s.ytimg.com/yt/img/pixel-vfl3z5WfW.gif


Sensational... yes... me think it's time for this as a reminder:


-------------

Hi, Guys, please listen up for a moment.

This thread is inspired by one of the recent 'disclosure prediction' threads that turned out to be yet another deliberate hoax (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7304-New-Prediction-Disclosure!-New-Date-Oct-29-2010!&p=63013&viewfull=1#post63013).

This is not a shot any any individual member here: but I strongly feel that Avalon members should have a responsibility NOT to forward fake or hokey predictions or 'channeled messages' - which is currently happening at a rate of one or more a week.

We don't need this kind of nonsense in a climate of the times that could not be more serious. There ARE very critical things happening quietly in the world, and the real signals get lost in all the 'noise'.

Be very sure that this is intended.

Folks, I ask you: don't needlessly add to the noise.

I always wanted Avalon to be about quality rather than quantity: for people to be able to come here quickly and find a digest of good information and intelligent discussion.

To re-post any junk on YouTube or Facebook that catches our eye, thinking we're doing the members a service, might be a well-intended error of judgment. Please always use your intelligence and discrimination.

I'm no friend or fan of ATS, but the mods there immediately deleted a thread about the recent "The Agency" 'prediction' of a 'radioactive satellite' over Munich on 20 October, that was really a forecast comet - not only because it was clearly false, but because the writer urged that it must 'go viral'.

They were quite correct to censor this cheap nonsense and stop it in its tracks. Our collective alternative knowledge base is being deliberately infected by information of zero or negative value in the same way as our computers (or bodies!) can become infected with viruses.

The presence of the zero-value add-ons decreases our capacity to function optimally. In this case, we're rendered less able to evaluate authentic information. This is one reason why I find myself increasingly unsympathetic to hoaxes, hoaxers and other forms of knowledge devaluation, and have made some of the decisions I've made in the last year.

This is not in any way 'censoring the truth movement': the real truth is far more incredible and unbelievable than any fiction.

I want to make the real truth easier to see by flitering out the distractions - some of which are deliberate, and some of which are just naive.

In 2005-6 I was closely involved in the 'Serpo story (http://serpo.org/final_update.php)'. It was a really valuable experience. Much of that was nonsense (and it got more and more ridiculous as the 'disclosure' was sabotaged from inside): but some was certainly true. It was worth discussing at first until it just became way too crazy and was eventually completely derailed. By that time I had abandoned it.

That's when I learned the priceless lesson that the truth in the alternative community is much more about PR than about actual facts. PR wins every time. And the insiders also understand this very well. They're masters at playing their cards.

So, don't help them win their game. Really intelligent analysis is the answer. But that takes time, and care, and real research. The insiders count on you not to bother to do all that.

They financed the creation of Facebook, and there's a good reason for their smart investment. The 'noise' is WAY amplified there. That's why I have no Facebook page, and never use it.

Indirectly related to this: please don't re-post YouTube videos with no comment, or with a simple statement like "Hey, Guys, look at this". I and many others will never watch a video unless someone tells me why I should spend the time. Please be smart and caring enough to summarize in your own words what the added value is.

Added value is what it's all about. If you're NOT adding value, then just keep reading. Though some of them are hard to find, Avalon has over 6,000 threads which contain enough good material to keep us all busy for a very long time.

My best wishes to all - Bill

In essence I agree with you. AmzerZo
Bills comments were from Oct 2010 and a lot has happened since then but essentially the advice is still good and appropriate.
However, I for one dont claim to have knowledge of Astrophysics and bring interesting (to me) videos to the table to be evaluated by those who are capable of properly evaluating the information.
Till recently Richard Hogland was considered by Bill et all to be an expert in the field.
So the ordinary person like me has to consider all opinions in order to try to sort the wheat from the chaff-- no easy feat.
RH is still maintaining he is right for example.
Chris

[vibrations]

New video with Q&A for the ET of Captain Bill. Explaining the Elenin-blast, Dwarf Star situation and more.

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[stardustaquarion]

wow, now the andromedans are promoting fear porn, whatever next....I'll wait until Collier says something :p

In the meantime there has been no reports from any amateur astronomer about planet x, dwarf stars, etc., etc., ....

Until then I won't hold my breath :pop2:

[teddyc1]

For what it's worth, MorningSong, the remarks from Amzer Zo did not seem all that cutting, really. Everyone is just contributing their opinions as we look for the truth.

By the way everyone, a new video here brings the Hopi prophecy together with Revelation 12.

The corresponding Web site is at http://seventheory.com/ and vid is below. I started watching from the 40min mark but the beginning may also be useful, I don't know.

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[Snowbird]

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Not sure about this one.

Here is more info on Sanni Ceto. Mel interviewed her in 2009, including the first hour of his interview with her, ( click on the Right)

http://www.veritasshow.com/guests/2009/09sep/VS-090904-sceto.php

The probe concept does, however confer with something that Alex Collier said, i will see if i can dig out the exact clip in that, it was pretty interesting....


The video above that Astrid linked has extremely important information within. Commander Sanni Ceto is stating that Elenin is a remotely reptilian controlled craft and its trajectory has been altered by the Pleiadians and the Zetis. And, those reptilian crafts that are closely following Elenin, will not be allowed to enter our solar system. She also briefly mentioned at 4:45 minutes, that there has been an ongoing war in space. So, in essence, Elenin is nothing to worry about. What we need to be concerned about, is what is planned for us in the next few weeks/months.

Commander Sanni Ceto speaks to an audience in the video series below. She is very different, and I had to shift my opinion of her into neutral for a time after watching the video presentation below almost a year ago. She now appears to be very real. There are millions of highly unusual people on this Earth whose experiences seem very far out. I believe Sanni however.

Sanni Ceto (Hybrid E.T.) Important Message 1 of 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0as5S_H2bHk

[Operator]

..... And, those reptilian crafts that are closely following Elenin, will not be allowed to enter our solar system. ...

That's odd ... Elenin was already very far into our solar system, even inside the inner planet orbits .... Elenin was already inside our solar system for quite a while.

[Hervé]

[...]

Hey guys! Just ran across this! WOw!

Go to the link and take a look at additional links and info...research, research, research.

Elenin explodes - MASSIVE explosion DISINTEGRATES



In essence I agree with you. AmzerZo
Bills comments were from Oct 2010 and a lot has happened since then but essentially the advice is still good and appropriate.
However, I for one dont claim to have knowledge of Astrophysics and bring interesting (to me) videos to the table to be evaluated by those who are capable of properly evaluating the information.
[...]
So the ordinary person like me has to consider all opinions in order to try to sort the wheat from the chaff-- no easy feat.
[...]
Chris


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[...]

Indirectly related to this: please don't re-post YouTube videos with no comment, or with a simple statement like "Hey, Guys, look at this". I and many others will never watch a video unless someone tells me why I should spend the time. Please be smart and caring enough to summarize in your own words what the added value is.

Added value is what it's all about. If you're NOT adding value, then just keep reading. Though some of them are hard to find, Avalon has over 6,000 threads which contain enough good material to keep us all busy for a very long time.

My best wishes to all - Bill


Although as long a PA veteran as you are, MorningSong fell for it , hook, line and sinker... more miffed about that than anything else... I think. Otherwise, if you check this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?286-Something-Really-BIG-is-Going-on-With-The-Sun&p=767&viewfull=1#post767, you'll realize that MS is not entirely ignorant of how this solar system is configured.





RH is still maintaining he is right for example.


Hoagland...well there is this one:


Didn't Richard Hoagland also say Hale-Bopp was under intelligent control several years ago....just as he has said Elenin is?

I think the guy is getting desperate and grabbing at floating, soaked straws... in lieu of a life-saver.



[...]
Really intelligent analysis is the answer. But that takes time, and care, and real research. The insiders count on you not to bother to do all that.



Till recently Richard Hogland was considered by Bill et all to be an expert in the field.


Another reminder:


DisclaimerAbout researchers and whistleblowers :We, Kerry Cassidy and Bill Ryan, do not necessarily agree with or endorse all of the views presented here. What Camelot is about is the investigation into the mysteries that surround us. We are all, in a sense, investigators of our world. And while we, as individuals, may not agree with everything presented on our site, we fully support freedom of thought and speech as well as the Quest for truth. 31 December 2008

[Calz]

I am an amused neutral spectator in the elenin circus ... part time amateur hobbist reporter and supplier of links ...

(bullet proof vest obvious there ... ???) :behindsofa:


We have an amateur astronomer group providing the *only* photos so far??? Is that true???

We have a NASA (never a stright answer) person with verbal confirmation. Okay ... perhaps a 2nd source.

Any other confirmation of a breakup or disintegration???

Disintegration ... if a craft rather than an ordinary comet ... could mean *other* things.

I would think with all the hoopla regarding elenin if it had actually broken up there would be more sources confirming this already. Are not many folk following this???

Unless you are a member of that astronomer group who either witnessed it first hand and know it to be valid ... or at a minimum know the people who supplied the images (or NASA employee) ... I don't think the verdict is yet here.

No vested interest. No pounding of chests or sulking in (jokingly) shame at the mortal sin about having a wrong assessment of the vast assortment of illusions we are provided on a regular basis.

Supposedly the sats will be able to capture a clear image again within a day or two.

Til then ... :yo:

[jcocks]

Look, regardless of what is happening with Elenin, things seem to be speeding up quite a bit..... It could all be for nothing, but I highly doubt it.

[Hervé]

[...]

We have an amateur astronomer group providing the *only* photos so far??? Is that true???

[...]



All right, Calz... let's pull out some abacus and do some counting...

From: http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/sc.htm



http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/Images/Elenin%20disrupition.gif

C/2010 X1 Elenin
2011 Aug 29.38UT
Left: 10x10second exposures. C11 SCT and Starlight Express MX7c CCD imager. Field of View 15' high x10' wide
Right: Animation of 5 images taken Aug 19,22,23,27,29 displaying the nucleus in the process of disintegrating.


ONE
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From: http://sydneystargazers.com/


http://sydneystargazers.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/the-death-of-comet-elenin-1.jpg?w=497&h=192 (http://sydneystargazers.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/the-death-of-comet-elenin-1.jpg)
The Death of Comet Elenin Part 1

And so it begins: The Death of Comet Elenin – Part 2 (http://sydneystargazers.com/2011/08/31/and-so-it-begins-the-death-of-comet-elenin-%e2%80%93-part-2/)•August 31, 2011 • 18 Comments (http://sydneystargazers.com/2011/08/31/and-so-it-begins-the-death-of-comet-elenin-%e2%80%93-part-2/#comments)
We located an earlier image of comet Elenin from and we have processed the image to highlight what we believe is the initial breakup of Elenin a week ago.
The three white specks in our picture are what we believe to have been the initial broken pieces of Elenin’s nucleus a week ago. If our image is correct, this means that Elenin’s nucleus broke up initially into 3 pieces. Since then it appears those pieces have broken up into smaller pieces.
We are still analyzing this picture further to confirm it shows the breakup.

http://sydneystargazers.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/the-death-of-comet-elenin-2.jpg?w=211&h=205 (http://sydneystargazers.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/the-death-of-comet-elenin-2.jpg)




TWO
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From: http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/

Wednesday, August 31, 2011

Comet Elenin in STEREO H1B (August 25 and 26)


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FGD-s5SEobk/Tl4wFzHxvTI/AAAAAAAAD2k/vLHJIA2-Pcc/s320/Scaled%2BRegistered%2BResult%2Bof%2B25-08-11_H1B-1.png (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FGD-s5SEobk/Tl4wFzHxvTI/AAAAAAAAD2k/vLHJIA2-Pcc/s1600/Scaled%2BRegistered%2BResult%2Bof%2B25-08-11_H1B-1.png)

Elenin passes through the image field of view of the STEREO H1 Behind imager on August 25. Click to embiggen. Image processed from NASA/STEREO raw images using ImageJ. Inverted image, dark lines and weird loopy bits are imaging artifacts.Elenin passes through the image field of view of the STEREO H1 Behind imager on August 26. Click to embiggen. Image processed from NASA/STEREO raw images using ImageJ. Inverted image, dark lines and weird loopy bits are imaging artifacts.
Once again, as with the previous posts (http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/2011/08/comet-elenin-in-stereo-h1b-august-21.html) I've zoomed and cropped these images of Comet Elenin (http://www.aerith.net/comet/catalog/2010X1/2010X1.html) from the STEREO H1B imager. There are asteroids on the 25 and 26th (although only one is obvious on the 26th). Here's the AVI animation of the August 25 images (http://home.mira.net/~reynella1/astronomy/Scaled%20Registered%20Result%20of%2025-08-11_H1B-1.avi) (1 Mb) and the AVI animation of the August 26 images (http://home.mira.net/~reynella1/astronomy/Scaled%20Registered%20Result%20of%2026-08-11_H1B-1.avi) (1 Mb).

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vBr5bYHDg4o/Tl4wF6_ExWI/AAAAAAAAD2s/vW-w9CXBFVU/s320/Elenin_Magnitude.png (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vBr5bYHDg4o/Tl4wF6_ExWI/AAAAAAAAD2s/vW-w9CXBFVU/s1600/Elenin_Magnitude.png)

I've plotted the intensity of comet Elenin images relative to a reference star (indicated on the image from the 26th) from the 18th to the 26th. I have the data from the 27th, but the comet passes over a bright star and I can't separate out the brightness of the comet from the star.

There is some dropped points on the 23rd when the imaging arefact of Mercury passed over the comet and reference star images. Again, click to embiggen.

As I've stated before, on calibrated images the comet has faded over 80% since the 19th, however, using this method of normalising (compared to how I did it on the calibrated images earlier) the drop is more like 70%.

Again, we have to factor in that it is further away from the H1B camera despite being closer to the Sun. I have not explicitly tried to calculate magnitudes, especially since Elenin is an extended source.

Anyway, important things to notice: The Coronal Mass Ejection that did all the fancy tail twirling (http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/2011/08/comet-elenin-in-stereo-h1b-august-19.html) hit between two flare-ups of the comet. The second peak (coming after the arrow showing where the peak CME hit, comes after the CME has washed over it (ie the big peak is not an artefact of the CME brightness adding to the comet, it genuinely gets brighter). The next peak is an aretfact form the comet crossing in from of a star, but the peak after that, although it crosses a star early, is probably also a flare.

After this, the intensity of the comet drops quite a bit; this corresponds to Michael Mattiazzo's August 22 UT image (http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/sc.htm) showing a big drop in intensity and Rob Kauffmans images (http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww271/Rob_Kau/Comparison19-26Aug2011.jpg) showing the same drop on August 23 UT. After the 23rd there is another big drop that recovers slightly by the 26th.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BuIk98kHxa8/Tl5G2D2_PiI/AAAAAAAAD28/TNLQ9VtqQsI/s320/Scaled%2BRegistered%2BResult%2Bof%2B27-0-11_H1B-1.png (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BuIk98kHxa8/Tl5G2D2_PiI/AAAAAAAAD28/TNLQ9VtqQsI/s1600/Scaled%2BRegistered%2BResult%2Bof%2B27-0-11_H1B-1.png)

Images from STEREO on the 27th (image right) don't show the same nucleus elongation that you see in Michaels images on the 27th, but with the STEREO images it's like looking through a pair of 7x30 binoculars compared to the telescopic images. I don't expect to see much until later images.


# (http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/2011/08/comet-elenin-in-stereo-h1b-august-25.html) posted by Ian Musgrave @ 10:22 PM



THREE
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If one includes NASA... well, that may be 3 1/2...

IMO, it helps to read and understand previous posts instead of jumping in and unwittingly further disinfo agenda like this one:


August 30, 2011
IS ELENIN BREAKING UP?? COMMENT FROM RICHARD C. HOAGLAND - EXCLUSIVE
[...]
We have NO actual images of this "disintegration," only Internet claims -- endlessly repeated (of course) ....


Guess who is doing some endless repeating with no actual data... only claims?

But accusing others of doing so... hmmmm, isn't that some familiar behaviour?

[Eric J (Viking)]

Found this on my travels ...

Russian Special News Report NIBIRU 100% Confirmed


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVlhOAiJZ5U&feature=share

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVlhOAiJZ5U&feature=share

viking

[G.A]

Some of the comments from youtube mention that this broadcast is from a spoof network "like The Onion from ukraine". It also seems like a lot of theory clips cut and pasted together. I don't see the 100% proof in this.
Thanks for the video ;)

[Dawn]

I ran across this today (9-2-11). Very interesting.



Richard C. Hoagland Update on Elenin

Posted by David Kaye on August 29, 2011 at 12:04pm in Current News/Events
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Important update on Elenin from Richard C. Hoagland

Note: there is a disinfo campaign going on to spread the word that Elenin is disintegrating... this is not true!!!

From Richard C. Hoagland www.enterprisemission.com
http://www.rumormillnews.com/pix3/Elenin-tetrahedron.jpg

"Stereo-B is one of two unmanned spacecraft NASA launched several years ago to study solar phenomenon; it is currently trailing about 90 degrees BEHIND the Earth ... just outside the Earth's solar orbit. Its companion spacecraft, Stereo-A, is about 90 degrees AHEAD of the Earth, slightly inside its orbit.

Elenin itself was at the orbit of Venus, and visually passing close to the Sun as seen from the vantage point of Stereo-B, when these images were taken.

This close (physically) to the Sun, Elenin is already strongly interacting with the "solar wind" -- the very low-density stream of highly-charged particles (mostly protons and electrons -- "solar plasma"), ejected at immense speed from the Sun's surface (and seen during total solar eclipses as "the solar corona"). The solar wind usually blows outward through the solar system at an average speed of ~500 miles per second!

Occassional CMEs (coronal mass ejections) can dramatically enhance the local density and speed of the solar wind, which can then interact with comets in very visible and spectacular ways ... usually greatly distorting their normally-straight "ion tails" (created by gases evaporating off the comet) into vivid "kinks" ... "corkscrews" ... and even "90-degree bends."

The attached NASA images reveals what happened to Elenin as a sudden CME interacted with it, just a few days ago.

It shows that AROUND the actual "nucleus" of Elenin suddenly appeared a stunning GEOMETRIC shape ... created by some kind of "force field." This field, interacting with the stream of charged protons and electrons in the CME, made this Elenin "field" suddenly, strikingly visible--

As an unmistakable, 3-D TETRAHEDRON!

This precise geometric shape is total confirmation of, and entirely consistent with, all the "19.5's" I've been analyzing over the past several months ... re Elenin's ~13,000-year orbital trajectory into the inner solar system!

The sudden visibility of this immense "geometric structure" (which is obviously NOT a "physical object," but only a "geometric field of force ... over 300,000 miles across (!) ... seen strongly interacting with the highly charged solar wind") is only possible because Elenin is VERY close to the Sun itself now, where the density of the solar wind is high enough to make this "structure" briefly visible, especially during the density enhancement of a CME ....

Needless to say, such a "tetrahedral force field," coupled with Elenin's "tetrahedrally-defined" orbital parameters, removes ALL remaining scientific doubt that Elenin is NOT "natural" -- but is, in fact, an Artificial Object (some kind of "ship")--

Sent into the inner solar system ~13,000 years ago (our model) ... on some kind of "directed interplanetary Mission."

It is, as Arthur C. Clarke wrote so many years ago, "something Wonderful ...." possibly (as I said on "Coast" the last time I was on ...) some kind of "ark" or "time capsule" ... sent to us at this crucially-important time to give us the means to (literally) "save the Earth."

Obviously, this latest discovery increases the urgency to get as many "hams and radio astronomers as possible" involved, to see if there are actual radio (or laser) TRANSMISSIONS currently coming from this object!

The future is about to get VERY, VERY interesting in the next few days and weeks .... :)

Here (below) is the direct link to the NASA Stereo-B Elenin video footage, posted on Leonid Elenin's official website."

http://spaceobs.org/en/2011/08/24/interaction-between-comet-elenin-...

[Maia Gabrial]

Sounds like Russia is giving their own people the doom and gloom scenario, too. But even they know how much NASA lies to us!
At least they're telling their people about it....
Good find, Viking.

[WhiteFeather]

Interesting Video Viking, Thanks. Personally Im not buying into the catastrophe scenario i think it will be the opposite IMHO. ~Something wonderful's gonna happen, What - Whats gonna happen..........something wonderful.~ My God Its Full Of Stars


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzNu9wUO-YM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPR6XTOEhMw&feature=related

[norman]

If this vid really is from "the onion" it's definately a spoof.

I fell hook line and sinker for one of their's that was a spoof US congress session where key words of the speaker were blanked out due to implied clasification as too hot to tell the people.

Turned out to be completely fake. Had me fooled for a couple of days though.

[Maia Gabrial]

So, if there is something in Elenin that will help us save Earth, I sure hope that TPTW don't get ahold of it first....

[ghostrider]

could the powers that be - use eleinin's approach as a tool and strike the earth with weather/earthquake weapons and make everyone afraid of elenin because it's approach could mean something good ??? we will soon find out 23 days and it will align between us and the sun, we may or may not have huge earthquakes that day...... they say elenin has broken up but I saw a huge planet sized object at 1 am last night in the eastern sky, with a long tail...... nothing else was visible NO OTHER STARS could I see from my city.

[Maia Gabrial]

That's what I'm saying, Ghostrider. Let's wait and see what happens. The next alignment will show us something good, I hope....

[Calz]

After thread merge deleting what would appear as a duplicate post.

[GK76]

Wait and see looks like the best approach. Although I wish many had decided that a long time ago, I've seen so many guesses as to it's origin or purpose, it's not funny anymore. Thankfully not long now to find out it's true intentions. Don't get me wrong, the speculation and science has been fun (occasionally), but it would be nice for people to work faster towards the inevitable conclusion... good or bad, what the hell can we do about it anyway?

[greybeard]

Marshal masters interesting and very full web page on Elenin
Im none the wiser though.
Is it or isent it still a "threat"????
Or the debris resulting from possible disintegration????

Chris
http://yowusa.com/planetx/2011/planetx-2011-09a/1.shtml

[Calz]

Here is Hoagland's latest response to the elenin breaking up stories (from his facebook page).



Richard C. Hoagland

Louis,

The natural break-up of a REAL comet would immediately lead to "increased surface area" (MORE gas evaporation ...), and "increased dust" (MORE particles released ...), meaning -- an inevitable INCREASE in the object's brightness--

Exactly the OPPOSITE of the reported behavior now of Elenin ....

Since -- by the NUMBERS and (now) the observed, bizarre "tetrahedral geometry" of Elenin (below)--

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/article/enterprise-images-of-elenin

--Elenin is demonstrably NOT "just another comet" -- such "expert" comet opinions, are in fact, just that ... "opinions."

So, what are the FACTS?

A) Elenin (again, by the NUMBERS -- to a probability of over 200 BILLION-to-one now ... as idescribed on "Coast" the other night) is an ARTIFICIAL ... carefully DIRECTED object ... "aimed" at the inner solar system.

B) we still have ZERO data as to the PHYSICAL nature of Elenin itself ... other than the ghostly, geometric appearance AROUND it, a few days ago, of that bizarre "tetrahedral shield" (link, above) -- triggered into visibility (apparently) by a sudden increased density of the surrounding solar wind.

C) such "technological" behavior is definitely "artificial" ... thus, calling into direct question ALL projected "cometary behavior" of Elenin ....

D) IF Elenin is currently "fragmenting" (breaking apart ... into separate, smaller "pieces" ... as the Sky & Tel arricle claims), such behavior -- again, viewed in the scientific context of Elenin's OTHER "artificial, intelligent behavior" -- CANNOT be blindly attributed to the normal behavior of "just another comet," but--

Behavior EXPECTED of "an intelligently-DIRECTED object ...."

I.E a possible PLANNED "separation" now ... into multiple, SUB-spacecraft!--

As Elenin approaches its closest orbital distance to the sun (September 11th)!

Potentially ... "preparatory behavior" for what comes NEXT ... in Elenin's "Directed Mission."

Stay tuned. :)


http://www.facebook.com/RichardC.Hoagland

[Hervé]

Well, alrigthy then and thanks for the facebook update.


-------------

Hi, Guys, please listen up for a moment.

[...]

That's when I learned the priceless lesson that the truth in the alternative community is much more about PR than about actual facts. PR wins every time. And the insiders also understand this very well. They're masters at playing their cards.

So, don't help them win their game. Really intelligent analysis is the answer. But that takes time, and care, and real research. The insiders count on you not to bother to do all that.

They financed the creation of Facebook, and there's a good reason for their smart investment. The 'noise' is WAY amplified there. That's why I have no Facebook page, and never use it.

[...]

My best wishes to all - Bill

With this one, that would make 3 1/2 + 1 = 4 1/2


From: http://sydneystargazers.com/



Leonid Elenin Confirms Comet Disintegration (http://sydneystargazers.com/2011/08/31/leonid-elenin-confirms-comet-disintegration/)•August 31, 2011 • 17 Comments (http://sydneystargazers.com/2011/08/31/leonid-elenin-confirms-comet-disintegration/#comments)
http://sydneystargazers.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/leonid-elenin.jpg?w=150&h=94 (http://sydneystargazers.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/leonid-elenin.jpg)
Leonid Elenin

On his site, Leonid Elenin has left some comments where he confirms that comet elenin has indeed broken up and that the debris of the comet will not be a danger to the Earth as it will be too far out.
Leonid tells us that the breakup of Elenin is similar to the breakup of comet C/1999 S4.
C/1999 S4 is a comet which broke up in July 2000.
Leonid Elenin will make an announcment on what is happening with Comet Elenin on his site soon.
http://spaceobs.org/en/ (http://spaceobs.org/en/)

C/1999 S4 "Linear" from: http://cometography.com/lcomets/1999s4.html




C/1999 S4 (LINEAR)http://cometography.com/lcomets/images/tanrule.gif http://cometography.com/lcomets/images/spacer.gif

http://cometography.com/lcomets/1999s420000707.jpg
Copyright © 2000 by Gerald Rhemann The 19.5-minute exposure was taken in Austria on 2000 July 7, using a 1.12-m f/3.3 Hypergraph and Kodak TP4415 film. Rhemann gave the brightness as magnitude 7.2 and noted a 50'-long gas tail and a 20'long dust tail.

[...]

So, on July 23 I asked the question "what will happen next?" and noted "The gas tail seen on the 21st and 22nd was certainly short-lived and indicates something sudden and violent occurred to the nucleus. It may only prove to have been a new pocket of gas that was released, but observers should be on the lookout for something more within the coma during the next few days and weeks." Well, the comet has indeed undergone changes that became apparent shortly before July ended. The comet's nuclear region became noticeably more diffuse and elongated beginning on July 25, and the comet began fading at a rate much greater than had been predicted. My final observation was made with my 33.3-cm reflector on August 2 and revealed a slightly elongated nebulosity with virtually no condensation. My estimate of the comet's brightness was 9, which was over 2 magnitudes fainter than expected.


http://cometography.com/lcomets/1999s420000801kh.jpg

Konrad Horn (Germany) obtained this image on August 1.86. He combined sixteen 60 second exposures obtained with his Genesis 100/500 and a Starlight SX CCD. The comet was then a very diffuse and elongated smudge, at least two magnitudes fainter than it should have been at that time.

The Hubble Space Telescope was used to observe the comet on August 5. What it found was more than a dozen tiny comets enveloped by a cloud of dust in the area where comet LINEAR was supposed to be. The image below is only a small section of the photo. The large scale images and complete story are on the Hubble web site (http://oposite.stsci.edu/pubinfo/PR/2000/27/index.html). Interestingly, the images were obtained at about the same time as another, wider field image was obtained with the 2.2-meter telescope at the Mauna Kea observatory complex.

http://cometography.com/lcomets/1999s420000805hub.jpg

In a display of how good ground-based observations can be, the European Southern Observatory released an image obtained at Paranal (Chile) with the 8.2-m Very Large Telescope ANTU unit on the evening of August 6. A portion of the image is shown below. The complete image and press release is located on the VLT web site (http://www.eso.org/outreach/press-rel/pr-2000/phot-20-00.html).


http://cometography.com/lcomets/1999s420000806eso.jpg




From: http://sydneystargazers.com/



When we talk about a comet’s degree of condensation , we look at either the degree of condensation of the coma (atmosphere) or the degree of condensation of the nucleus.

In this case ,we are talking about comet Elenin having no central condensation, in other words of the nucleus…… and this roughly means there is no longer a nucleus to comet Elenin.

This has been measured by an E12 instrument which is used to gauge the level of condensation of a comet

So, unless one can get pictures of Elenin from the Hubble or the VLT ANTU telescope, the best one could get as an amateur is a faint smudge for a disintegrated comet.

Now my question is: how come Hoagland didn't get on the case of C/1999 S4?

Too close to Hale Bopp?


From: http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tworx433.htm




Enterprise Mission

For instance, "Zeta Talk" has alleged, in 1995, among other things, that Hale-Bopp was "not a comet." This would come as quite a surprise to those of us that viewed it our night skies for several months in 1997. They've also claimed that Enterprise principal investigator Richard C. Hoagland once went on Art Bell to concur with this opinion by stating he "suspected Hale-Bopp of being not a comet but an intelligently driven star-like object." We of course never said any such thing. They've also charged that Hoagland did this at NASA's behest in return for a promise that NASA would re-photograph Cydonia. No such "quid-pro-quo" has ever taken place between these two parties on any matter. Enterprise Mission, 2002

[The One]

This what the uploader says

Driving home after 16 hour shift at work and noticed this unusually large celestial object in the sky.I am holding the camera steady as a rock the object is moving ever so slightly.Anyone seen this object it was up there for ever.I am going out tonight at the same time around 12:45 am

Tjp979s2tng

I have seen this object before have a look here for the simalarities http://www.ufos-aliens.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ukufo.htm

[the trojan]

did you look at the comments that were posted hours ago on the yt.
they are all saying its jupiter and the uploader appears to agree with them.
there are no shoutings and trollings either, he seems quite agreeable to this suggestion...though he does add that he will check it out again tonight.

and as for the resemblance to the other link,the only thing they have in common is BLUR!
Cmon the one,you seem to be slacking and clutching at straws,you can do better than this!

[Hervé]

[...]

Im none the wiser though.

[...]
Chris
http://yowusa.com/planetx/2011/planetx-2011-09a/1.shtml

Hi Chris!

My guess is that, may be, it's time to be "logicer"... :p

[Sir Eltor]

I saw this aswell driving home... was huge, figured it must've been a planet .

[The One]

did you look at the comments that were posted hours ago on the yt.
they are all saying its jupiter and the uploader appears to agree with them.
there are no shoutings and trollings either, he seems quite agreeable to this suggestion...though he does add that he will check it out again tonight.

and as for the resemblance to the other link,the only thing they have in common is BLUR!
Cmon the one,you seem to be slacking and clutching at straws,you can do better than this!

I think not the trojan i did look at the other comments but i did not agree with them obviously you did.Maybe you dont realise the similarities in this object but alot of other people will.I have researched this


and as for the resemblance to the other link,the only thing they have in common is BLUR!

If you was aware of this object like alot of people are in the UFO field i dont think you would be to quick to judge,maybe you should do some reasearch



Cmon the one,you seem to be slacking and clutching at straws,you can do better than this

Your assumption not others your sly remark is of no purpose.

[Calz]

... and now for something else entirely different ... from Kerry's blog:



September 2, 2011

ELENIN : UPDATE

According to a source in fact, Elenin has been split in two... the videos showing the hit are correct but the hit came from a ship. Why they split it is unclear although the dangerous out-gassing was mentioned.

click here for the video of the hit



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fDjO9Nhslo&feature=related


The video containing the warning sound from Antarctica... and the one that appeared to come from Elenin...They were saying 'stay clear' in another frequency.

This source also says the brown dwarf is about 38 days behind Elenin... And there are planets circulating around the brown dwarf... a mini solar system if you will.

They also suggested that there may be an effort to affect the dwarf or it's accompanying planets so they don't rock our planet so much...

This info is in contradiction to all of Hoagland's info and other info I have received. However this may actually be correct.
http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html

[greybeard]

[...]

Im none the wiser though.

[...]
Chris
http://yowusa.com/planetx/2011/planetx-2011-09a/1.shtml

Hi Chris!

My guess is that, may be, it's time to be "logicer"... :p

Im laughing because every time logic clicks in there is another twist in the "tale" of Elenin.

My thoughts are -----that its true that the comet is disintegrating.
I have never believed any alien connection.
I do believe that we are having massive changes in our solar system,
I am not sure what is causing this but I suspect that the electro magnetic ribbon moving in from the gllactic center has more to do with it than any comet or planet.

How am I doing Amzer Zo?

Regards
Chris

[yiolas]

All I can say is WOW !! Unbelievable stuff. Let's see what if anything happens on the 26th of September. I still believe that it what is coming after Elenin that has been causing all of the earth changes .

The funny thing is that, I usually pay all of my bills the first week of the month after I get paid. Since I basically live pay check to pay check, I decided that this month, I would keep all the cash and wait until the 30th to pay the bills, just so that I would have the cash around just in case something happened. What ever the case, that's my plan and I'm sticken to it.

[Hervé]

I am amazed at what lense flares can do... to people's imaginations...



Hey guys! Just ran across this! WOw!

Go to the link and take a look at additional links and info...research, research, research.

Elenin explodes - MASSIVE explosion DISINTEGRATES

Ti4vduEaclU

Hi MorningSong!

What happened to logic and "discernment?":


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Top Comments


You are not seeing an explosion, you are seeing a lens flare as the camera pans left. And Jupiter and Elenin are so far apart, it would take DAYS for any explosion to reach Elenin, not seconds like shown here. As an amateur astronomer, I have been watching Jupiter a lot lately, there has been no explosions. Please check things out better before you scare people, when these things go viral, brains also go viral, if you know what I mean.Znobyrd (http://www.youtube.com/user/Znobyrd) 12 hours ago 13 http://s.ytimg.com/yt/img/pixel-vfl3z5WfW.gif


Disinfo!
Please, Elenin hit in seconds after a explosion took place on Jupiter? Come on man....
Elenin is 600million miles away from Jupiter, no way it can be struck so quickly
Maybe, maybe the sun can have this effect after a X7 solarflare but thats it.
camel303 (http://www.youtube.com/user/camel303) 3 hours ago 5 http://s.ytimg.com/yt/img/pixel-vfl3z5WfW.gif


Sensational... yes... me think it's time for this as a reminder:


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Hi, Guys, please listen up for a moment.

This thread is inspired by one of the recent 'disclosure prediction' threads that turned out to be yet another deliberate hoax (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7304-New-Prediction-Disclosure!-New-Date-Oct-29-2010!&p=63013&viewfull=1#post63013).

This is not a shot any any individual member here: but I strongly feel that Avalon members should have a responsibility NOT to forward fake or hokey predictions or 'channeled messages' - which is currently happening at a rate of one or more a week.

We don't need this kind of nonsense in a climate of the times that could not be more serious. There ARE very critical things happening quietly in the world, and the real signals get lost in all the 'noise'.

Be very sure that this is intended.

Folks, I ask you: don't needlessly add to the noise.

I always wanted Avalon to be about quality rather than quantity: for people to be able to come here quickly and find a digest of good information and intelligent discussion.

To re-post any junk on YouTube or Facebook that catches our eye, thinking we're doing the members a service, might be a well-intended error of judgment. Please always use your intelligence and discrimination.

I'm no friend or fan of ATS, but the mods there immediately deleted a thread about the recent "The Agency" 'prediction' of a 'radioactive satellite' over Munich on 20 October, that was really a forecast comet - not only because it was clearly false, but because the writer urged that it must 'go viral'.

They were quite correct to censor this cheap nonsense and stop it in its tracks. Our collective alternative knowledge base is being deliberately infected by information of zero or negative value in the same way as our computers (or bodies!) can become infected with viruses.

The presence of the zero-value add-ons decreases our capacity to function optimally. In this case, we're rendered less able to evaluate authentic information. This is one reason why I find myself increasingly unsympathetic to hoaxes, hoaxers and other forms of knowledge devaluation, and have made some of the decisions I've made in the last year.

This is not in any way 'censoring the truth movement': the real truth is far more incredible and unbelievable than any fiction.

I want to make the real truth easier to see by flitering out the distractions - some of which are deliberate, and some of which are just naive.

In 2005-6 I was closely involved in the 'Serpo story (http://serpo.org/final_update.php)'. It was a really valuable experience. Much of that was nonsense (and it got more and more ridiculous as the 'disclosure' was sabotaged from inside): but some was certainly true. It was worth discussing at first until it just became way too crazy and was eventually completely derailed. By that time I had abandoned it.

That's when I learned the priceless lesson that the truth in the alternative community is much more about PR than about actual facts. PR wins every time. And the insiders also understand this very well. They're masters at playing their cards.

So, don't help them win their game. Really intelligent analysis is the answer. But that takes time, and care, and real research. The insiders count on you not to bother to do all that.

They financed the creation of Facebook, and there's a good reason for their smart investment. The 'noise' is WAY amplified there. That's why I have no Facebook page, and never use it.

Indirectly related to this: please don't re-post YouTube videos with no comment, or with a simple statement like "Hey, Guys, look at this". I and many others will never watch a video unless someone tells me why I should spend the time. Please be smart and caring enough to summarize in your own words what the added value is.

Added value is what it's all about. If you're NOT adding value, then just keep reading. Though some of them are hard to find, Avalon has over 6,000 threads which contain enough good material to keep us all busy for a very long time.

My best wishes to all - Bill

[HORIZONS]

All I can say is WOW !! Unbelievable stuff. Let's see what if anything happens on the 26th of September. I still believe that it what is coming after Elenin that has been causing all of the earth changes .

The funny thing is that, I usually pay all of my bills the first week of the month after I get paid. Since I basically live pay check to pay check, I decided that this month, I would keep all the cash and wait until the 30th to pay the bills, just so that I would have the cash around just in case something happened. What ever the case, that's my plan and I'm sticken to it.

Sounds like a good plan to me! :)

[the trojan]

you know,that remark,'You should do some research' is one of the most insulting slurs used on forums' .


You put up a link to a video on youtube.
you also put up a link to a webpage featuring photographs of circular,orbs of various densities and patterns.

The video on youtube is of a circular object with no discernible pattern or markings as it is blurred.
Therefore being circular and blurred is the only connection that I can see.
Five comments on the video and not one makes the connection that you do,including the guy who posted it.

The ufo field is obviously close to your heart .
There is no need to be so defensive and no need to attack me.

A wee question though,whenever I have commented on your other posts in the affirmative,
,why have you not thanked me with as much fervour as you are attacking me now ?

[ShawnDotFree]

Hi Kathymarie,

I saw the same claim, perhaps in the same .pdf file you have looked at. I am a physicist and looked very carefully at the first several pages of that document and concluded that it was a terrible hoax, seemingly put out with the intent to maliciously misinform people. If you would like my detailed notes, I can forward you the email I sent to another friend of mine on this forum.

[HORIZONS]

Hi Kathymarie,

I saw the same claim, perhaps in the same .pdf file you have looked at. I am a physicist and looked very carefully at the first several pages of that document and concluded that it was a terrible hoax, seemingly put out with the intent to maliciously misinform people. If you would like my detailed notes, I can forward you the email I sent to another friend of mine on this forum.

Can you bullet point your notes and put them up for us all to see?

Thanks,

[cloud9]

I am holding the camera as steady as a rock...

[Hervé]

Im laughing because every time logic clicks in there is another twist in the "tale" of Elenin.

My thoughts are -----that its true that the comet is disintegrating.
I have never believed any alien connection.


You "said" it yourself... "tale."

All the data are there for anyone to understand but I guess most people have a hard time understanding the "PR" point brought forth by Bill Ryan... Hoagland uses it to the max whereas amateur astronomers have no interest in spinning a "tale" since they believe in "credibility" and in one's own integrity and honor.

Seems the "PR" propaganda dept. is having another go at the Hale-Bopp recipe with a "mysterious," large object in the wake of Elenin, etc... now I understand Laura Knight-Jadzick comment to Kerry about having blood on their hands and refused to participate to that conference.

From: http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tworx433.htm




Enterprise Mission

For instance, "Zeta Talk" has alleged, in 1995, among other things, that Hale-Bopp was "not a comet." This would come as quite a surprise to those of us that viewed it our night skies for several months in 1997. They've also claimed that Enterprise principal investigator Richard C. Hoagland once went on Art Bell to concur with this opinion by stating he "suspected Hale-Bopp of being not a comet but an intelligently driven star-like object." We of course never said any such thing. They've also charged that Hoagland did this at NASA's behest in return for a promise that NASA would re-photograph Cydonia. No such "quid-pro-quo" has ever taken place between these two parties on any matter. Enterprise Mission, 2002






[...]

I do believe that we are having massive changes in our solar system,
I am not sure what is causing this but I suspect that the electro magnetic ribbon moving in from the gllactic center has more to do with it than any comet or planet.


Regards
Chris

A little semantic disagreement: is that a belief or is it observations/data collection?

Personally, I am not entirely convinced about that energized cloud of particles; I am more inclined to consider a binary star system to have a greater, more noticeable influence then a cloud of particles... unless that cloud happens to amplify the effects of the Sun's twin.

Debatable until more factual data are made available.



How am I doing Amzer Zo?


I don't know... Chris, how are you doing?

[MorningSong]

OK, So I'm back...because I'm sick of seeing my nick show up so often in what I consider at troll attack.

Please stop copying and re-pasting yourself, Amzer Zo.

I want to know what you really think about this Elenin thing. It appears you think you know something so brilliant that just seems so obvious, that you can't understand why the others of us can't read your mind. Enlighten us, please!

[Hervé]

OK, So I'm back...because I'm sick of seeing my nick show up so often in what I consider at troll attack.

Please stop copying and re-pasting yourself, Amzer Zo.

I want to know what you really think about this Elenin thing. It appears you think you know something so brilliant that just seems so obvious, that you can't understand why the others of us can't read your mind. Enlighten us, please!

Read my posts, they provide the factual data I know of on the subject as compared to someone's ideas and words.

Someone already asked me that question and I answered. There are data in the face of the doom & gloom hype and propaganda... the data are not paid attention to but, gawd, is the doom & gloom ever considered and re-circulated and reborn in new threads out of the ashes of old ones, etc.

[Patrikas]

Heres my take on it from outside the box,........there is something coming in.., definately., and its changing things dramatically here and "elsewhere".. all are feeling it in many diffrent ways .. its been happening for quite some time .......i dont know anything about asteriods....comets,.elenin, nibiru ........but the light body of earth is coming ... , and when it is fully here....well ..... Blessings

[HORIZONS]

Here's one for the record:


NASA, White House, operatives pushing psyops meme around Comet Elenin
by Alfred Lambremont Webre, JD, MEd

A subtle psyops – psychological warfare operation – intended to engender public fear and apprehension around Comets Elenin, Levy and Honda (all expected to pass near Earth in the Fall of 2011) may be part of a future false flag environmental war attack on specific human settlements and populations using the HAARP-Chemtrails tectonic and weather warfare system.

Statements by NASA officials, the White House, and specific statements falsely attributed to operatives formerly associated with NASA such as Richard C. Hoagland infer or explicitly state that Comet Elenin’s near passage to Earth may create an “extinction level event (ELE)”.

NASA email and video to employees

Recently, NASA took the unusual step of sending an explicit disaster preparedness email to its employees, stating, "NASA is the only federal agency responsible for its people’s safety and well-being here on Earth and in space and has a longtime commitment to safety and emergency preparedness. Over the past year, Administrator Bolden has emphasized the importance of Family/Personal Preparedness for the entire NASA family. Family and personal preparedness plans are key to protecting our families and communities during potential emergencies such as fires, floods, earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, terrorist attacks and other unforeseen catastrophes.

White House letter: Smoking gun that Elenin is a threat or Psyops promoter?

On Oct 15, 2010, the White House issued a letter highlighting the hazards of near earth objects including comets. One fair interpretation of the White House letter is that its timing may be part of the Comet Elenin psyops.

One source that is reporting on the White House promotion of the Comet Elenin psyops as though it were a genuine threat states,

“Comet Elenin: White House letter addresses "US Must Prepare For Comet Collision With Earth"

"We had previously reported how Planetary Alignments with Comet Elenin Causing Big Earthquakes. And about Comet Elenin HUGE MASS, as objects with smaller mass having short elliptic al Orbit, from 2 up to 1000 years or so like Asteroids or Comets. The fact that Elenin comet (C2010 X1) enters our solar system close to the ecliptic with a Period of ~11’800 Years (Long Period Orbit), makes this Object very dangerous.

"In latest development now we learns 10 page letter is already out on the web since October 2010, which proves that US NASA and the White House know about ELENIN and consider it “a real threat” (On October 11, 2011 Elenin will be only 0.246au away from Earth; that’s a quarter of the distance to the sun.) it`s possible even more dangerous against earth than we understand.

"They are calculating and preparing to if possible take action against this Comet. John Holdren, director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, or OSTP, outlines plans for “(A) protecting the United States from a near-Earth object that is expected to collide with Earth.

"Interestingly, Comet C/2010 X1 (Elenin) was only 'discovered' by civilian Leonid Elenin on December 10, 2010, in the official White House letter below, written back in late October 2010, the White House addressed the possibility of an Comet/Asteroid striking the Earth.

"The terminology used in this letter, along with several other facts that have emerged in the time since the letter was written, lead us to believe that our 'shadow' government and elements within NASA have long known that anticipated effects of the arrival of Comet Elenin would indeed be much greater than they are telling the public. In fact, we believe that the White House letter below may be the 'smoking gun' to help prove that the government indeed does know that the potential consequences facing planet Earth from this comet will be far more disastrous than what they are “officially” telling the public.

White House Letter - Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/microsites/ostp/ostp-letter-neos-house.pdf

"In breaking down this letter, it’s important to address several questions that have since more recent information come to light. After the letter above clearly shows how important it is to monitor such incoming objects due to their propensity to “change” orbit? Why was it that NASA turned off the granddaddy of all NEO (Near Earth Objects) telescopes & SETI ATA this year?

"Flashback Quote: "The WISE spacecraft will remain in hibernation without ground contacts awaiting possible future use." The SETI ATA has been in hibernation - a safe mode of sorts, where “the equipment is unavailable for normal observations since April 15, 2011. Universetoday.com Why are we not getting any straight information from mainstream media about Comet Elenin 2011 while most Google searches on Elenin will bring you straight to the alternative news sites throughout the world?

Yet the evidence suggests that Comet Elenin is no threat and the White House and NASA communications and other actions are part of a psyops to make it seem that Comet Elenin is a threat.

Richard Hoagland, Sorcha Fall, Elenin and disinformation psyops

One notorious disinformation website, Sorcha Faal, openly reports Richard C. Hoagland as predicting coming Earth catastrophes associated with Comet Elenin as in psyops terms. According to Kerry Cassidy of Project Camelot, this is contrary to Mr. Hoagland's statements at a recent Project Camelot Forum on Comet Elenin in which Mr. Hoagland did not state that Comet Elenin may bring an extinction level event.

Sorcha Faal reports,

“July 7, 2011

“Top US Space Expert Issues Catastrophic Warning On Comet Elenin

“By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers

“A grim warning was issued this past week by the former NASA consultant and noted US space expert Richard C. Hoagland that the newly discovered comet named Elenin, designated C/2010 X1, that is fast approaching our Sun is under “intelligent control” and heralds a warning to all humanity of a great Global catastrophe soon to come.

“According to Hoagland’s report, the significance of the name ‘Otto Matic’ being associated with Comet Elenin lies with it only being able to be associated with a video game developed by Pangea Software, published by Aspyr Media and then released to the public on 11 September 2001, the same day the United States suffered a crippling attack.

“Hoagland further asserts in his report that is “beyond coincidence” that Comet Elenin is scheduled make its closest approach to the Sun on the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, 11 September 2011, and that on 11 November 2011 (11-11-11) its orbit will carry it into a “grand alignment” between itself, the Earth and other planets in our Solar System.

“For the ‘secret meaning’ hidden from normal public view about Comet Elenin, Hoagland says, one must know about the ‘Otto Matic’ video game,

“It should, likewise, be noted about this comet that its Russian discover may itself be a ‘secret code’ in that the first three letters of his first name contains the exact constellation Comet Elenin is approaching our Earth from (LEOnid) and the first three letters of his last name eerily gives the most dreaded designation a comet can have, ELE…Extinction Life Event. “

Psyops-like predictions were also mistakenly attributed to Mr. Hoagland by PakalertPress.com, as part of an apparent Elenin psyops. at:

http://www.pakalertpress.com/2011/07/08/top-us-space-expert-issues-catastrophic-warning-on-comet-elenin/

Russian astronomer LEONID ELENIN comes out to debunk the "Extinction Level Event" psyops

Readers can watch a video interview in which Leonid Elenin, a 29-year-old Russian astronomer on the staff of the International Astronomical Search Collaboration (IASC), comes out publicly on Russian TV to debunk the catastrophe psyops circulated by entities such as NASA, the White House. The video is embedded in article above and can be accessed at the URL below:

WATCH VIDEO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD-V6KmiB78



In this interview, among other facts, Mr. Elenin states that the photographic effects around Comet Elenin that have been interpreted by a number of analysts including Richard C. Hoagland and Dr. Michael Salla of the Exopolitics Institute as UFO spacecraft are in fact effects caused by photographic artifacts and not evidence of extraterrestrial UFOs following Comet Elenin, or evidence that Comet Elenin is a piloted UFO craft.

Mr. Elenin also states in the interview that a false Facebook account was opened under his name and that this account has been instrumental in promoting the Comet Elenin catastrophe psyops.

This reporter Alfred Lambremont Webre has previously reported on the deep interpenetration of Facebook and the total information access program of the U.S. Department of Defence, raising questions as to whether the false Facebook identity may be part of a covert black budget strategy around Comet Elenin to create the conditions for a another false flag environmental war attack on the heels of the March 11, 2011 Fukushima tectonic warfare attack, triggered by the HAARP-chemtrails weapons system.


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[The One]

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[The Truth Is In There]

i just had the strangest vision. all people in this thread were in the same room talking animatedly and having fun, except amzerzo who was in an adjacent closet mumbling to himself and sometimes throwing what he believes must be "scientific information from official sources" along with quotes of himself into the room with all the happy people. sadly, everyone kept ignoring him. then i saw greybeard smiling, pulling a banana out of his jacket, tossing it into the closet and returning his attention to the people with him. a strange vision ideed.

[The Truth Is In There]

i know i've posted this part of the hopi prophecy before but i think it bears repeating at this time.

"In the Final days we will look up in our heavens and we will witness the return of the two brothers who helped create this world in the birthing time. Poganghoya is the guardian of our North Pole and his Brother Palongawhoya is the guardian of the South pole. In the final days the Blue Star Katchina will come to be with his nephews and they will return the Earth to its natural rotation which is counter clock wise."

we do have three comets - honda & levy (the two brothers?) and elenin (the blue kachina?) which i understand happens not too often. imo that validates this part of the prophecy.. the prophecy further says they will return the earth to counter clockwise rotation. i wonder how they'll do that.

"This fact is evidenced in many petroglyphs that speak of the Zodiac, and within the Mayan and Egyptian pyramids. The rotation of the Earth has been manipulated by not so benevolent Star beings. The twins will be seen in our North Western skies. They will come and visit to see who still remembered the original teachings flying in their Patuwvotas, or flying shields. They will bring many of their star family with them in the final days."

sounds like space ships to me with a lot of ETs onboard. (a "fake alien invasion" without the "fake"?) do the comets appear in the north western skies? if not, then the two comets have probably nothing to do with these brothers (or twins) and may be insignificant. still, it's another strange coincidence.

"The return of the Blue Star Kachina who is also known as Nan ga sohu will be the alarm clock that tells us of the new day and new way of life, a new world that is coming. This is where the changes will begin. They will start as fires that burn within us, and we will burn up with desires and conflict if we do not remember the original teachings, and return to the peaceful way of life."

this fits nicely with my idea about the end of the mayan calendar being on 11/11/11, the day ascension is going to happen (see other thread). those who "remember the original teachings" will ascend and thus won't be affected by what comes afterwards:

"Not far behind the twins will come the Purifier - The Red Kachina, who will bring the Day of Purification. On this day the Earth, her creatures and all life as we know it will change forever."

a bad time for those "who don't remember the original teachings" because they're the ones who will still be here on 3d earth. if planet x/nibiru does indeed arrive 38 days (or thereabouts) after elenin makes its closest approach to earth (around october 11th) that would mean it arrives a week or so after the 11/11/11 date, when all the good people have gone. it could also mean "the day of purification" is the day of ascension and the purifier will be here on 11/11/11 (about 31 days after the blue kachina, not 38). whatever it means, the day is very close now so let's hope i'm right and we're all good guys who are permitted to leave before it gets really ugly ;)

[Mutchie]

And this thread just goes from strength to strength...........fear is so addictive !

[ghostrider]

this is the same thing I've been seeing for over two years, comes visible to me about 1 am. has small ships with it. some say it's jupiter, but jupiter has a 5.2 au orbit around the sun 1 au is 93 million miles , no way I can see something that far with my eyes . it's either really big or really close. too big to be a star and smaller than the moon.

[SkepticSoul]

You wish to have a new world, a new life. Isn't it obvious the life you wish to leave behind must first be destroyed and crumble to dust before you can open your eyes to your new life.
Personal level example:
When you first started waking up of what the world really is and go down the rabbit hole... and when you pursue that truth and vibrate/live with it and by it, suddenly the people still sleeping will not support you any longer, see you in a dark light, things of your life now start crumbling down like your job you never wished for and you realized you are just supporting TPB as a slave from 5 to 9. Get me?

This is happening now on a consciessnes level thus much bigger crumbles will come falling down.

[bennycog]

skepticsoul "Get me?"
got you :) though i love my job.. and if there is any need for procuring resources in the future, (the new future) ill be there.. i believe that we needed to mine and ravage stuff from the earth at the start.. i also believe our time is way up for doing that now and that we and the earth has been ready for a long time to let her replenish, as we should have moved onto the next plane by now.. thread has gone a bit askew but had to comment guys..
so yes crumbling down to make a new could be what we need.. forest fires not man made but natural replenish forests in to new utopias...

[jcocks]

Who said anything about fear? Half of the difficulty of these times is not falling into fear..... It's so easy to do, but is counter-productive...

[vibrations]

Sharpen your antennas, dear Viking, twice in the video is mentioned that the Nibiru will be visible with naked eye from March and May 2011 , so the video has to be older, as so many of them. And there is nothing new in this video and this yes is 100% sure.

In your shoes I wouldn't put anything as 100%, maybe that we all die some day...or not.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Sharpen your antennas, dear Viking, twice in the video is mentioned that the Nibiru will be visible with naked eye from March and May 2011 , so the video has to be older, as so many of them. And there is nothing new in this video and this yes is 100% sure.

In your shoes I wouldn't put anything as 100%, maybe that we all die some day...or not.

Cheers dude... hadn't noticed that ...

In my shoes or anyones for that matter...including yours !

viking

[Maia Gabrial]

I've noticed that sometimes ufo's move slowly at night, so as not to draw too much attention to themselves. I think that this man must have heard the sound of this craft and then became aware that it wasn't a star....People say they don't hear anything, but there is something faint coming from them...

And I also noticed that they like to pretend to be stars in the sky. If I hadn't watched one fly over our apartment and take up position in the night sky, I would have thought it was just another star. Then close to sunrise, I watched it take off west to probably play star alittle longer in another part of the sky....

[waftbycarol]

I think this video makes a good case that This planetary body , whatever it is , still exists and is intact...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pibat6QUWbs&feature=player_detailpage

[Snowbird]

..... And, those reptilian crafts that are closely following Elenin, will not be allowed to enter our solar system. ...

That's odd ... Elenin was already very far into our solar system, even inside the inner planet orbits .... Elenin was already inside our solar system for quite a while.

Yes, Elenin is into our solar system and according to Sanni Ceto and a few other non-NASA-sources, Elenin's course may have been altered by force. We'll have to wait and see. These same sources however, make claim that there are reptilian crafts following Elenin that will be, or have been, diverted from entering our solar system. Again, we'll have to wait and see.

[Deedee]

Duplicate video... deleted...

[Chuck]

i just had the strangest vision. all people in this thread were in the same room talking animatedly and having fun, except amzerzo who was in an adjacent closet mumbling to himself and sometimes throwing what he believes must be "scientific information from official sources" along with quotes of himself into the room with all the happy people. sadly, everyone kept ignoring him. then i saw greybeard smiling, pulling a banana out of his jacket, tossing it into the closet and returning his attention to the people with him. a strange vision ideed.

I just had a vision of all the people in the one closet going absolutely mad with hysteria, fear and ignorance ignoring the one person offering them help through facts and reason.

[The Truth Is In There]

i just had the strangest vision. all people in this thread were in the same room talking animatedly and having fun, except amzerzo who was in an adjacent closet mumbling to himself and sometimes throwing what he believes must be "scientific information from official sources" along with quotes of himself into the room with all the happy people. sadly, everyone kept ignoring him. then i saw greybeard smiling, pulling a banana out of his jacket, tossing it into the closet and returning his attention to the people with him. a strange vision ideed.

I just had a vision of all the people in the one closet going absolutely mad with hysteria, fear and ignorance ignoring the one person offering them help through facts and reason.

sorry but the vision joke works only once. please try something else and give your buddy a kiss from me. i was just trying to lighten the mood. no offense intended.

amzerzo just has this small problem that he seems to have no own opinion. he keeps quoting "official sources" like nasa, or cnn or "leonid elenin" and even bill ryan and then he quotes himself quoting these sources and nobody seems to care.

we're all coming up with theories and wild guesses and that's just plain fun and there is one spoilsport who always insists that everything but the "official" explanation has to be wrong. it's not about fear if you haven't noticed, people enjoy it. fear is for people who don't think outside the box.

by now everyone knows amzerzo's position and i suggested he should open his own thead with all the "official" data. who knows..some might even read a bit of that stuff if they can't sleep at night.

ok, back to topic please.

[yiolas]

GETTING TIRED OF ALL OF THE DOOM AND GLOOM ?
Well then check this out:

Ancient prophecies pinpoint 2012 as the date for a convergence of worlds and a new beginning for mankind. Four brothers embark on a personal quest for understanding, in pursuit of the meaning of the sacred White Buffalo. Theirs is a spiritual odyssey to discover the sacred wisdom of Turtle Island, and its portents for America today

WHITE BUFFALO: AN AMERICAN PROPHESY is a documentary about Native American prophecy and what it means for us all today. Follow the journey of the filmmakers - four Jewish brothers - seeking the indigenous wisdom of the Americas from the true Americans.


Below is a trailer to the movie they are making and how each of us can get involved.

WHITE BUFFALO: AN AMERICAN PROPHESY (http://kck.st/rbuPbt)

Below is a short clip made by David Childerly in support of this film.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUCud-2xHCw

[Solphilos]

As I there have been far too many posts and articles floating around on the web under similar titles, purporting to have captured images of a mysterious object next to our Solar orb, I thought I'd perform a public service and take a few shots myself.

Using a cheap camera phone, I used the negative image setting to take this pic:

http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/trichosirius/090411-98.jpg

Looks an awful like many of the other pictures I've seen online. Nibiru? Elenin? U.S.S. Enterprise?

Let's take a look at a normal cell phone picture of the same:

http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/trichosirius/090411-101.jpg

Look; now there are two! What could this second object be? We have already established from the first picture that the first object must be Planet X, so what is the meaning of this? That could not be a lens flare. Could it? Please validate my irrational beliefs by agreeing with my speculations!

Okay, enough of the sarcasm. As can be plainly seen from these two shabby images, artifacts and illusions are commonplace and should never be hastily considered as proof of any preconceived ideas or beliefs. Discernment and skepticism are allies of those seeking truth, as are logic, reason and intuition.

L.V.X.

[vibrations]

Hey Solphilos, can you please tell me what kind of camera is this (cellphone or compact or any other) or cellphone brand and type, ar camera brand and type, I think I can find something which can rule out or not the possible optical distortions.

[Solphilos]

This is using a cheap flip-phone from Cricket wireless. It works with most cell phones and the pictures get more interesting the cheaper and lower the resolution. Grab a cheap phone, especially one with recording capability, and you can get some interesting results. I once made a very compelling 'UFO' video using nothing more than my cell and a street lamp, exploiting odd video artifacts. I posted it on a thread on another site a while ago and convinced even known skeptics that the video was real. That led to much disappointment once I revealed the truth.

[SkepticSoul]

"The return of the Blue Star Kachina who is also known as Nan ga sohu will be the alarm clock that tells us of the new day and new way of life, a new world that is coming. This is where the changes will begin. They will start as fires that burn within us, and we will burn up with desires and conflict if we do not remember the original teachings, and return to the peaceful way of life."

this fits nicely with my idea about the end of the mayan calendar being on 11/11/11, the day ascension is going to happen (see other thread). those who "remember the original teachings" will ascend and thus won't be affected by what comes afterwards:

"Not far behind the twins will come the Purifier - The Red Kachina, who will bring the Day of Purification. On this day the Earth, her creatures and all life as we know it will change forever."

a bad time for those "who don't remember the original teachings" because they're the ones who will still be here on 3d earth. if planet x/nibiru does indeed arrive 38 days (or thereabouts) after elenin makes its closest approach to earth (around october 11th) that would mean it arrives a week or so after the 11/11/11 date, when all the good people have gone. it could also mean "the day of purification" is the day of ascension and the purifier will be here on 11/11/11 (about 31 days after the blue kachina, not 38). whatever it means, the day is very close now so let's hope i'm right and we're all good guys who are permitted to leave before it gets really ugly ;)

If the purifier story/prophecy is true doesnt this align with the 'splitting' of 2 earths like dolores cannon and inelia benz are talking about but in terms of what's happening today...?

[vibrations]

You know, I am a long years photographer and I know something how the camera and the lenses are build. The problem to build a good lens is to eliminate as much is possible the lens distortions, artifacts and inner reflections. the cheap devices normally use the surplus of lenses other companies do not want to use because they do not meet optical quality.
I changed some settings in your image to make stand out what I want to show you. It looks that there are at least two lenses or group of lenses which produce obvious lens flare from two different focal points inside the camera. One is marked with orange and another with red. To me it looks that Nibiru is just a lens reflection projected on other lens and reflected back to the optical sensor.

That does not mean that Nibiru is not there, that just means that I see it like this.
9745

[WhiteFeather]

Great Picture, Thank You.....Here's An interesting video and some photos I found This Morning. That winged object in the below video looks like the object that the sumerians used in there ancient culture The Winged Disk, its a symbolism of Nibiru, and Marduk in sumerian text.


http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050519wingdisk.htm
http://www.whale.to/c/ada81gaa.jpg
http://www.jackieblackart.com/Egyptian.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSw7bmsw0RQ&feature=channel_video_title

[Calz]

Kerry providing debunking from her previous day's post ...



September 3, 2011

MORE on Elenin and telescope refraction etc

click on this link


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0cqBwXNqn0&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_491182


note: Richard Hoagland would agree with this assessment that what is being called the hit or explosion or breaking up of the Elenin comet is actually an illusion created by the telescope, however this does not align with what my contact below is saying... The question is whether or not both phenomena may have taken place and what we are dealing with.

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html

[Solphilos]

You know, I am a long years photographer and I know something how the camera and the lenses are build. The problem to build a good lens is to eliminate as much is possible the lens distortions, artifacts and inner reflections. the cheap devices normally use the surplus of lenses other companies do not want to use because they do not meet optical quality.
I changed some settings in your image to make stand out what I want to show you. It looks that there are at least two lenses or group of lenses which produce obvious lens flare from two different focal points inside the camera. One is marked with orange and another with red. To me it looks that Nibiru is just a lens reflection projected on other lens and reflected back to the optical sensor.

That does not mean that Nibiru is not there, that just means that I see it like this.
9745

I think your observation is correct. There are two lenses on the phone; the camera lens itself, which is recessed into the phone, and another lens which I likely to be just a protective covering.

[Solphilos]

Great Picture, Thank You.....Here's An interesting video and some photos I found This Morning. That winged object looks like the object that the sumerians used in there ancient culture The Winged Disk, its a symbolism of Nibiru Think.


There are numerous possible interpretations of the winged disk, but it could be possible that if the ancients spotted some celestial object close to the sun, the effect of the light bending around it might have inspired the portrayal of wings. It also would be of no surprise to me if they in fact had used some form of camera or optical device that allowed them to view such an object when it would have otherwise been drowned out in the harsh bright light.

[WhiteFeather]

All we can do is put the pieces of the puzzle together and or connect the dots collectively, can this be Nibiru, perhaps? The piece fits here i believe. The Winged Disk!

¤=[Post Update]=¤



Great Picture, Thank You.....Here's An interesting video and some photos I found This Morning. That winged object looks like the object that the sumerians used in there ancient culture The Winged Disk, its a symbolism of Nibiru Think.


There are numerous possible interpretations of the winged disk, but it could be possible that if the ancients spotted some celestial object close to the sun, the effect of the light bending around it might have inspired the portrayal of wings. It also would be of no surprise to me if they in fact had used some form of camera or optical device that allowed them to view such an object when it would have otherwise been drowned out in the harsh bright light.

Your statement resonates with me as well.

[vibrations]

And inside is a group of two, three or more lenses, depending of the quality of the device. The lenses are very close together to avoid distortions like chromatic aberration and so on, but in a so small lenses the mistakes are much more common. Imagine how much cost you a phone and then compare with very professional telephoto lens which can cost up to $15.000 or $30.000 and it is not the best. I personally can not do any professional retouching stuff from the any phone pictures first because of lens no-quality and second because the image sensors are very low levels with a lot of digital noise and bad image dynamic range. Just talking from experience.

[WhiteFeather]

Things with wings!
http://unusualkentucky.blogspot.com/2009/07/things-with-wings.html

http://reinep.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/annunaki_sumerians.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_xslElWhAZBQ/Sl1oZOTnTqI/AAAAAAAACf0/M1i--QcojH4/s1600/nibiru.jpg

[WhiteFeather]

Lets get the Think Tank Going Here Avie's. This is my perspective.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Spvg0-i--k4

This Ones Cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H7jm6QY-1s

[stomy]

Hello everyone :)

I made a folder Elenin on my blog. A translator is disponible in the top of page (flag).
http://revivall.over-blog.com/article-dossier-comete-elenin-c-2010-x1-folder-comet-elenin-c-2010-x1-82918638.html

good reading :)

[WhiteFeather]

Avie's....If i'm overdoing my perspective, just slap my off the head at anytime.

[Hervé]

I guess I was mistaken about this forum being established as contributing to truth, keeping in concordance with Bill’s “Signal to Noise ratio.” I never thought it to be a place where some sort of inverted notion of fun consisted of the furthering of the “Doom & Gloom” disinfo propaganda… where ridiculing in the guise of degrading jokes is the norm to discredit data supported contributions. The latter being the -- now well recognized -- MO of a particular group of people.

PS: Calz, thanks for Kerry’s posted video demonstrating the lense flare that got people’s imagination flaming…originally debunked in my post # 1114 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Is-it-Comet-Elenin-Is-it-Nibiru-Elenin-Updates.&p=297787&viewfull=1#post297787).

[Carmody]

the human eye as a contrast ratio capacity of about 300:1 to about 350:1, max. We slide our 'capacity' of such round via the opening and closing of the iris. Meaning we slide that 300:1 (brightest part of the image as compared in intensity of the darkest), by opening and closing the iris. This makes the total range about 1:1,000,000, overall.

Normally, optics don't show their limitations to the eye or to the awareness of the person using them.

But, the sun is heinously bright compared to the backdrop that surrounds this. And, as light transverses the layer of the surface of the glass or plastic and enters the the glass proper, it refracts into a angled reflection. Same for when it exits the glass. A magnifying glass works on this exact aspect as do lenses, microscope, binoculars and telescopes. They would not function if this was not true, they are functionally based on this concept and reality.

We use coatings of a fine molecular nature to cut the glare and reflection/refraction to some degree, but this aspect is not going away otherwise the glass would not be doing what we want it to do,which is to focus and magnify, etc.

So, when we stress glass lenses and similar devices to very high levels of contrast differential, we get refraction and ghost images. that we easily see, as the limits of our eyes are then shown in plain view as the contrast limits (brightest to darkest light in the single scene or 'take') of the glass lenses are also exceeded. And we suddenly see that 'limit of contrast range' that the glass/plastic lenses have. (The direct sun vs backdrop might have a brightness range of 1,000:1, or more, which is in excess of the limits of the glass and it's design, as well as our eyes)

They have a name for it. they call it Lens Flare. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lens_flare)

And the imagine in the first photo is a reflection, a tiny ghost image of the sun. Which is 100%, nay 110% normal and totally expected. NOTHING MORE.

[Malachi]

i just had the strangest vision. all people in this thread were in the same room talking animatedly and having fun, except amzerzo who was in an adjacent closet mumbling to himself and sometimes throwing what he believes must be "scientific information from official sources" along with quotes of himself into the room with all the happy people. sadly, everyone kept ignoring him. then i saw greybeard smiling, pulling a banana out of his jacket, tossing it into the closet and returning his attention to the people with him. a strange vision ideed.

I hope, that sometimes in the near future, when all this hype about the "end of the world" ends you will come back here - if you can ofcourse, because the world is doing fine that time as always - and say an apology to Amzer Zo. Please be kind, no need to ridicule each other here. I don't want to hurt you, but in my eyes you are a bit carry things too far with this "dark planet comes and destroys the world, the end is close, repent, people of the Earth" stuff. It's okay to believe what you believe but to hurt someone else who thinks the other way, in my opinion is not okay.

Peace.

[Carmody]

This is using a cheap flip-phone from Cricket wireless. It works with most cell phones and the pictures get more interesting the cheaper and lower the resolution. Grab a cheap phone, especially one with recording capability, and you can get some interesting results. I once made a very compelling 'UFO' video using nothing more than my cell and a street lamp, exploiting odd video artifacts. I posted it on a thread on another site a while ago and convinced even known skeptics that the video was real. That led to much disappointment once I revealed the truth.

I've got a message for you.

Stop screwing around with people.

It is very non-productive, and not respectful.

It may be personally an interesting thing to do, but it is not overall a good thing to do, at all. It is the opposite.

In this thread, your are being honest about it, thank you. Try not to do the 'poseur' thing with the crying of wolves and such, as it breaks the covenant with the truth, and does more damage than good. What I'm saying is that in my experience, misleading as a form of a lesson can and usually does more harm than good. Ie, in my experience, the majority do not need that lesson, in that form.

[Mutchie]

so elenin hasnt broken up at all and we just hang in there hoping to hear the truth - i was on pal talk last night listening to terral03 talking to his followers him and his people are now camping out in a cavern over in the ozarks he says he got his original information from a navy insider and that there is militry types over in the ozarks getting prepared also.....The facts are SOMETHING SHIFTED THE AXIS OF PLANET EARTH & we have daily earthquakes happening all over the planet & volcanoes you can top all that with the mass spate of animal deaths and the dissappearance of the bees = SOMETHING IS CAUSING ALL OF THIS ??????? im really not surprised people believe we have a brown dwarf coming

[Charlie Pecos]

You know, I come here and read all the doom and gloom threads and posts, and then I go outside and I take a good look around and I see life going about it's day in utter contradiction to the doomsday nay saying I read here and in other places. Simply put, we choose our reality. What will come, will come. Life goes on. I choose to live a life of peace and contemplation, compassion and forgiveness. That is my choice.

[HORIZONS]

I guess I was mistaken about this forum being established as contributing to truth, keeping in concordance with Bill’s “Signal to Noise ratio.” I never thought it to be a place where some sort of inverted notion of fun consisted of the furthering of the “Doom & Gloom” disinfo propaganda… where ridiculing in the guise of degrading jokes is the norm to discredit data supported contributions. The latter being the -- now well recognized -- MO of a particular group of people.

PS: Calz, thanks for Kerry’s posted video demonstrating the lense flare that got people’s imagination flaming…originally debunked in my post # 1114 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Is-it-Comet-Elenin-Is-it-Nibiru-Elenin-Updates.&p=297787&viewfull=1#post297787).

Keep posting Amzer Zo! Many of us here have an open mind on the issues at hand - Personally, I like to look at ALL the sides to an issue and then come to my own conclusions - opinions are just that: opinions, and we all have them.

[Solphilos]

This is using a cheap flip-phone from Cricket wireless. It works with most cell phones and the pictures get more interesting the cheaper and lower the resolution. Grab a cheap phone, especially one with recording capability, and you can get some interesting results. I once made a very compelling 'UFO' video using nothing more than my cell and a street lamp, exploiting odd video artifacts. I posted it on a thread on another site a while ago and convinced even known skeptics that the video was real. That led to much disappointment once I revealed the truth.

I've got a message for you.

Stop screwing around with people.

It is very non-productive, and not respectful.

It may be personally an interesting thing to do, but it is not overall a good thing to do, at all. It is the opposite.

In this thread, your are being honest about it, thank you. Try not to do the 'poseur' thing with the crying of wolves and such, as it breaks the covenant with the truth, and does more damage than good. What I'm saying is that in my experience, misleading as a form of a lesson can and usually does more harm than good. Ie, in my experience, the majority do not need that lesson, in that form.


First, I have no interest in good or bad, right or wrong.These terms are meaningless to anyone who has understanding.

Second, I'm sure your experience is valid and true for you, but not necessarily for anyone else.
Deception can be a very productive tool, and for this reason it has been used in the majority of Mystery and Spiritual traditions for countless ages.
If you yourself have been deceived that was your choice to make, no one is or was guilty for the way you respond to circumstance.
There is nothing inherently wrong about being intentionally misleading; no-one puts a gun to your head and forces you into a belief; you are ultimately responsible for your choices.

Besides, there was nothing misleading or deceptive about my actions. I merely posted a video capturing odd visual effects and asked the simple question, "What think ye of this?"

Those who jump up in haste and shout 'UFO!' without questioning the facts or asking for details are lead astray by their own self-made delusions, not by me.
I've broken no 'covenant' as I don't buy into such new age dribble or pseudo-intellectual B.S. no matter how many times it's regurgitated before me by those who believe themselves to be enlightened.

[Solphilos]

Avie's....If i'm overdoing my perspective, just slap my off the head at anytime.

No need to have your head slapped, your views are fine and critical for your own growth. I can't comment on them in a beneficial way as my own go down a different alley, but ultimately all roads cross anyway, therefore all paths are true and valid. Keep on keeping on mate.

[Kindred]

[QUOTE=waftbycarol;299789]I think this video makes a good case that This planetary body , whatever it is , still exists and is intact...
/QUOTE]

waftbycarol - I tend to agree, as I had seen the following video which explained a Great Deal about what had been 'observed' and speculated about, without the most basic inquiry about the technology employed to visualize these events.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0cqBwXNqn0&feature=player_embedded#!
Sometimes the answer is just too easy ;)

Unity & Peace

[OnyxKnight]

SzIZE6lOXlY

Not sure about this one.

Here is more info on Sanni Ceto. Mel interviewed her in 2009, including the first hour of his interview with her, ( click on the Right)

http://www.veritasshow.com/guests/2009/09sep/VS-090904-sceto.php

The probe concept does, however confer with something that Alex Collier said, i will see if i can dig out the exact clip in that, it was pretty interesting....


The video above that Astrid linked has extremely important information within. Commander Sanni Ceto is stating that Elenin is a remotely reptilian controlled craft and its trajectory has been altered by the Pleiadians and the Zetis. And, those reptilian crafts that are closely following Elenin, will not be allowed to enter our solar system. She also briefly mentioned at 4:45 minutes, that there has been an ongoing war in space. So, in essence, Elenin is nothing to worry about. What we need to be concerned about, is what is planned for us in the next few weeks/months.

Commander Sanni Ceto speaks to an audience in the video series below. She is very different, and I had to shift my opinion of her into neutral for a time after watching the video presentation below almost a year ago. She now appears to be very real. There are millions of highly unusual people on this Earth whose experiences seem very far out. I believe Sanni however.

Sanni Ceto (Hybrid E.T.) Important Message 1 of 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0as5S_H2bHk

Bull****.

There is nothing 'Reptoid' associated with Elenin. And its not a forced change of trajectory, its a pre-planned one.

[greybeard]

The evidence mounts that Elenin is soon to be no more.
Chris


Author : Leonid Elenin

http://spaceobs.org/en/2011/09/03/comet-elenin-the-final-prospect/

[dreamer]

bulls**t is right.... They won't be allowed in our SOLAR SYSTEM?!?! Do these people not know what our solar system is?!? It's obviously already well within, within the inner solar system even...... Hey did you see that?! If you point your camera at the sun and take a pic in negative... You can see credibility fleeting away!!!

[Hervé]

All right, here is what's being played with, with these pictorial "proofs" un-burried from another thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29614-Pics-of-Nibiru-Elenin-Elvis-next-to-the-Sun-&p=300274&viewfull=1#post300274



[...]

Look; now there are two! What could this second object be? We have already established from the first picture that the first object must be Planet X, so what is the meaning of this? That could not be a lens flare. Could it? Please validate my irrational beliefs by agreeing with my speculations!

Okay, enough of the sarcasm. As can be plainly seen from these two shabby images, artifacts and illusions are commonplace and should never be hastily considered as proof of any preconceived ideas or beliefs. Discernment and skepticism are allies of those seeking truth, as are logic, reason and intuition.

L.V.X.


This is using a cheap flip-phone from Cricket wireless. It works with most cell phones and the pictures get more interesting the cheaper and lower the resolution. Grab a cheap phone, especially one with recording capability, and you can get some interesting results. I once made a very compelling 'UFO' video using nothing more than my cell and a street lamp, exploiting odd video artifacts. I posted it on a thread on another site a while ago and convinced even known skeptics that the video was real. That led to much disappointment once I revealed the truth.


the human eye as a contrast ratio capacity of about 300:1 to about 350:1, max. We slide our 'capacity' of such round via the opening and closing of the iris. Meaning we slide that 300:1 (brightest part of the image as compared in intensity of the darkest), by opening and closing the iris. This makes the total range about 1:1,000,000, overall.

Normally, optics don't show their limitations to the eye or to the awareness of the person using them.

But, the sun is heinously bright compared to the backdrop that surrounds this. And, as light transverses the layer of the surface of the glass or plastic and enters the the glass proper, it refracts into a angled reflection. Same for when it exits the glass. A magnifying glass works on this exact aspect as do lenses, microscope, binoculars and telescopes. They would not function if this was not true, they are functionally based on this concept and reality.

We use coatings of a fine molecular nature to cut the glare and reflection/refraction to some degree, but this aspect is not going away otherwise the glass would not be doing what we want it to do,which is to focus and magnify, etc.

So, when we stress glass lenses and similar devices to very high levels of contrast differential, we get refraction and ghost images. that we easily see, as the limits of our eyes are then shown in plain view as the contrast limits (brightest to darkest light in the single scene or 'take') of the glass lenses are also exceeded. And we suddenly see that 'limit of contrast range' that the glass/plastic lenses have. (The direct sun vs backdrop might have a brightness range of 1,000:1, or more, which is in excess of the limits of the glass and it's design, as well as our eyes)

They have a name for it. they call it Lens Flare. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lens_flare)

And the image in the first photo is a reflection, a tiny ghost image of the sun. Which is 100%, nay 110% normal and totally expected. NOTHING MORE.

[ThePythonicCow]

I guess I was mistaken ...
Sorry, Amzer Zo, for not paying notice earlier to the post above that I suppose you're referring to.

I see a couple of other members have already commented, better than I could have. Thanks.

The energy of the mods and admins to maintain perfect behavior is finite (good thing too - as our wisdom is also finite ;).) The really good forums only get that way, and stay that way, when the individual members for the most part care to keep it that way.

[Calz]

I guess I was mistaken about this forum being established as contributing to truth, keeping in concordance with Bill’s “Signal to Noise ratio.” I never thought it to be a place where some sort of inverted notion of fun consisted of the furthering of the “Doom & Gloom” disinfo propaganda… where ridiculing in the guise of degrading jokes is the norm to discredit data supported contributions. The latter being the -- now well recognized -- MO of a particular group of people.

PS: Calz, thanks for Kerry’s posted video demonstrating the lense flare that got people’s imagination flaming…originally debunked in my post # 1114 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Is-it-Comet-Elenin-Is-it-Nibiru-Elenin-Updates.&p=297787&viewfull=1#post297787).

Keep posting Amzer Zo! Many of us here have an open mind on the issues at hand - Personally, I like to look at ALL the sides to an issue and then come to my own conclusions - opinions are just that: opinions, and we all have them.

I am sure we all appreciate the dedication that Amzer Zo has for seperating the wheat from the chaff.

At the same time we need to remember to be understanding of human nature and respectful of other members.

As for "signal to noise ratio" let me respectfully point out that before Camelot had fractured into Camelot/Avalon there were interviews with Hoagland and many others providing information not accepted by all (or in some cases the majority). How many are all on board with Fulford these days??? Hoagland has a big following from several media channels. Perhaps he doesn't always get it right ... same can be said for many particularly when we are dealing with "fringe" material where "proof" is not as solid as it would seem.

That is *not* a criticism of anyone. Bear in mind Bill and Kerry always did their best to vet their interviews while at the same time trying to get as much "meat" as possible for the benefit of all.

Mods do a great job with really an impossible task of pleasing everyone and keeping members to adhere to certain standards.

Anyway ... some of us (myself certainly included) may seem to put a priority in getting "hot news" out to the rest without taking enough time to check on all the verifiable facts and details. I don't think anyone (aside from obvious trolls) wants to see disinformation promoted but it always isn't as easy as it would seem. Members here are not like full time journalists (back in the day when journalistic integrity mattered anyway).

We share what we can ... when we can ... with the amount of time we can ... while still living our lives as best we can.

As just illustrated ... a "hot topic" post on a blog can be debunked by the very same owner of a blog the very next day.

Stuff happens.

Keep on keepin on Amzer Zo. You can be the standard by which we remember to strive for when attempting to bring forth quality information.

IMHO

Cal


P.S. - I really don't see people in fear here. I am sure the vast majority just want to know what the heck is going on. With all the illusions of the "illusionist" that is a challange and why many of us are here ... to help each other piece it all together.

:grouphug:

[Snowbird]

There is nothing 'Reptoid' associated with Elenin. And its not a forced change of trajectory, its a pre-planned one.

What do you mean by pre-planned? Who or What pre-planned the trajectory? Are you referring to it's natural course?

[Snowbird]

bulls**t is right.... They won't be allowed in our SOLAR SYSTEM?!?! Do these people not know what our solar system is?!? It's obviously already well within, within the inner solar system even...... Hey did you see that?! If you point your camera at the sun and take a pic in negative... You can see credibility fleeting away!!!

She is not talking about comet Elenin or Elenin's coma or Elenin's tail(s). She is talking about what is following Elenin.

[MorningSong]

Here we go students....lets get back to the lesson...

Interview with Dr. Don Yeomans, Ph.D., Manager, Near-Earth Object (NEO) Program, NASA Jet Propulsion Lab, Pasadena, California discussing Elenin Updates, 2005 YU55 Asteroid due in November and other future NEOs.
August 26, 2011



Comet Elenin Update and November 2011 Asteroid's Close Approach

© 2011 by Linda Moulton Howe



http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1884&category=Science

[MorningSong]

Daily updates on Elenin as observed by an astronomer (?) Michael Mattiazzo in Australia.

http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/sc.htm

[MorningSong]

Yet...on the other hand we have.... this very long and informative article:


NASA, White House, operatives pushing psyops meme around Comet Elenin
Seattle Exopolitics Examiner
July 8, 2011

A subtle psyops – psychological warfare operation – intended to engender public fear and apprehension around Comets Elenin, Levy and Honda (all expected to pass near Earth in the Fall of 2011) may be part of a future false flag environmental war attack on specific human settlements and populations using the HAARP-Chemtrails tectonic and weather warfare system.

Statements by NASA officials, the White House, and specific statements falsely attributed to operatives formerly associated with NASA such as Richard C. Hoagland infer or explicitly state that Comet Elenin’s near passage to Earth may create an “extinction level event (ELE)”.

....................................................(please do read)...................................



http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-seattle/nasa-white-house-operatives-pushing-psyops-meme-around-comet-elenin#ixzz1RpFeXrVl

[MorningSong]

The folowing video is Marshall Master's Elenin Forrcast for Sept 1, 2011 to Jan 16, 2012.

Note: He does not take into consideration the possibility of Elenin's disintergration.

tPOVjT-XKeU

[cloud9]

You know, I come here and read all the doom and gloom threads and posts, and then I go outside and I take a good look around and I see life going about it's day in utter contradiction to the doomsday nay saying I read here and in other places. Simply put, we choose our reality. What will come, will come. Life goes on. I choose to live a life of peace and contemplation, compassion and forgiveness. That is my choice.

Thank you CP, that's the way I feel.
I know it's the way fear makes us act but please Avalonians, remember my words:
Nothing is going to happened related to Elenin, this is just a hype started for somebody (probably an agency?), I really don't know who but I bet money a few guys are laughing out loud at the stupidity of the population, then we wonder how come TPTB are able to do what they do...

[Fenexrep]

Go to Google Sky, type in a search for Mercury, then switch to infrared. Its been there for a while. Practical joke by Google? Or is it the real deal?

[The Truth Is In There]

"The return of the Blue Star Kachina who is also known as Nan ga sohu will be the alarm clock that tells us of the new day and new way of life, a new world that is coming. This is where the changes will begin. They will start as fires that burn within us, and we will burn up with desires and conflict if we do not remember the original teachings, and return to the peaceful way of life."

this fits nicely with my idea about the end of the mayan calendar being on 11/11/11, the day ascension is going to happen (see other thread). those who "remember the original teachings" will ascend and thus won't be affected by what comes afterwards:

"Not far behind the twins will come the Purifier - The Red Kachina, who will bring the Day of Purification. On this day the Earth, her creatures and all life as we know it will change forever."

a bad time for those "who don't remember the original teachings" because they're the ones who will still be here on 3d earth. if planet x/nibiru does indeed arrive 38 days (or thereabouts) after elenin makes its closest approach to earth (around october 11th) that would mean it arrives a week or so after the 11/11/11 date, when all the good people have gone. it could also mean "the day of purification" is the day of ascension and the purifier will be here on 11/11/11 (about 31 days after the blue kachina, not 38). whatever it means, the day is very close now so let's hope i'm right and we're all good guys who are permitted to leave before it gets really ugly ;)

If the purifier story/prophecy is true doesnt this align with the 'splitting' of 2 earths like dolores cannon and inelia benz are talking about but in terms of what's happening today...?

yes exactly. not just dolores cannon and inelia talk about that, also other sources (channelled, prophetic, ET,...). when the end of the 16.4 billion years cycle in the development of consciousness is reached our experience of "time" will stop because everything will then be experienced as happening at once, as in fact it always did. only while in a 3d body we were bound to the various cycles of the development of consciousness and thus had a perception of "time".

at the end of the cycle we'll return to cosmic consciousness ("three days of darkness") and decide on our future development by entering the timeline that's best for us. the splitting of timelines is the same as the splitting of earths and dimensions. our higher selves will determine which timeline / earth vibration we're going to experience. those who enter the 4th/5th dimension will retain full connection with their higher selves, those who go back to the 3rd dimension will experience the earth changes and if they live through them will eventually live without any connection to spirit. the latter could be called the "negative" timeline but it's actually just an experience like any other. without judgement there's no positive or negative. everything just is.

¤=[Post Update]=¤



i just had the strangest vision. all people in this thread were in the same room talking animatedly and having fun, except amzerzo who was in an adjacent closet mumbling to himself and sometimes throwing what he believes must be "scientific information from official sources" along with quotes of himself into the room with all the happy people. sadly, everyone kept ignoring him. then i saw greybeard smiling, pulling a banana out of his jacket, tossing it into the closet and returning his attention to the people with him. a strange vision ideed.

I hope, that sometimes in the near future, when all this hype about the "end of the world" ends you will come back here - if you can ofcourse, because the world is doing fine that time as always - and say an apology to Amzer Zo. Please be kind, no need to ridicule each other here. I don't want to hurt you, but in my eyes you are a bit carry things too far with this "dark planet comes and destroys the world, the end is close, repent, people of the Earth" stuff. It's okay to believe what you believe but to hurt someone else who thinks the other way, in my opinion is not okay.

Peace.

man, i was just kidding. let's just drop it ok? i didn't intend to hurt anybody and i wouldn't feel hurt myself if i were the butt of a joke like that. sometimes i forget that some people are a bit sensitive to words.

as for this "dark planet comes and destroys the world, the end is close, repent, people of the Earth" stuff - i never said anything like that. earth won't be destroyed. i never even mentioned that the surface of the 3rd dimensional earth will be inhabitable and people will have to live underground for a long time as slaves of tptb because i know that might create fear in some people...ooops...did i say that loud? well, let me tell you this - all of us here on the avalon board are going to the 4d/5d earth where none of the bad stuff is going to happen. don't forget that you create your reality. and after the end of the 16.4bn years cycle more so than ever because there won't be a time lapse between the thought and the creation anymore since "time" will be no more.

[jcocks]

at the end of the cycle we'll return to cosmic consciousness ("three days of darkness") and decide on our future development by entering the timeline that's best for us. the splitting of timelines is the same as the splitting of earths and dimensions. our higher selves will determine which timeline / earth vibration we're going to experience. those who enter the 4th/5th dimension will retain full connection with their higher selves, those who go back to the 3rd dimension will experience the earth changes and if they live through them will eventually live without any connection to spirit. the latter could be called the "negative" timeline but it's actually just an experience like any other. without judgement there's no positive or negative. everything just is.[COLOR="red"]



I don't believe that entirely... You will only live without any connection to spirit if you REJECT that connection. Granted, there are those that do reject that connection, but I'd hazard a guess that most people on this planet are accepting to some extent of a connection to spirit. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that 99% of our population would be very very lost if their connection to spirit were suddenly lost....

I'll bet that the 3d earth (one could even say it would be DEvolved) will be a very sparesely populated Earth full of boring people... When we do ascend, we'll take most of the Earth with us to at least some extent - they will resisde in a 3.7/4/5/etc D reality that will be higher in vibration to the extent of their spiritual progress on this earth. Very few will have not made any spiritual progress, so very few will be "left behind"...

[the trojan]

at the end of the cycle we'll return to cosmic consciousness ("three days of darkness") and decide on our future development by entering the timeline that's best for us. the splitting of timelines is the same as the splitting of earths and dimensions. our higher selves will determine which timeline / earth vibration we're going to experience. those who enter the 4th/5th dimension will retain full connection with their higher selves, those who go back to the 3rd dimension will experience the earth changes and if they live through them will eventually live without any connection to spirit. the latter could be called the "negative" timeline but it's actually just an experience like any other. without judgement there's no positive or negative. everything just is.[COLOR="red"]



I don't believe that entirely... You will only live without any connection to spirit if you REJECT that connection. Granted, there are those that do reject that connection, but I'd hazard a guess that most people on this planet are accepting to some extent of a connection to spirit. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that 99% of our population would be very very lost if their connection to spirit were suddenly lost....

I'll bet that the 3d earth (one could even say it would be DEvolved) will be a very sparesely populated Earth full of boring people... When we do ascend, we'll take most of the Earth with us to at least some extent - they will resisde in a 3.7/4/5/etc D reality that will be higher in vibration to the extent of their spiritual progress on this earth. Very few will have not made any spiritual progress, so very few will be "left behind"...

I think that everyone will be there regardless of any spiritual growth
how can spiritual growth or any other kind of growth be defined.
we will all go or no one goes and we will all assist each other in a new experience in which equality will rule.
no one on this earth is already there and no one has experienced it yet...so it will be a shared experience until we get our bearings.

[Snowbird]

Yet...on the other hand we have.... this very long and informative article:


NASA, White House, operatives pushing psyops meme around Comet Elenin
Seattle Exopolitics Examiner
July 8, 2011

A subtle psyops – psychological warfare operation – intended to engender public fear and apprehension around Comets Elenin, Levy and Honda (all expected to pass near Earth in the Fall of 2011) may be part of a future false flag environmental war attack on specific human settlements and populations using the HAARP-Chemtrails tectonic and weather warfare system.

Statements by NASA officials, the White House, and specific statements falsely attributed to operatives formerly associated with NASA such as Richard C. Hoagland infer or explicitly state that Comet Elenin’s near passage to Earth may create an “extinction level event (ELE)”.

....................................................(please do read)...................................



http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-seattle/nasa-white-house-operatives-pushing-psyops-meme-around-comet-elenin#ixzz1RpFeXrVl

This article is very important reading and IMO, the most important aspect is the number 3 bullet point from the article below.

3. We should be outspoken in exposing those who attempt to promote the Comet Elenin psyops. In the words of the AIDS awareness movement of the early 1980s, "Silence = Death".

[Hervé]

On "words"...


'Somethin BIG Is Comin'!
By Jim Kirwan
9-4-11
The last time I beat another human being to within an inch of his life I learned 'something.' This happened so long ago that just being in a street fight did not yet mean that you'd be killed or worse. The 'being' I had just crippled was lying in a pool of his own blood and waste, on busted pieces of asphalt in a nameless alley on a moonless night. His twisted body lay just inches from his smashed weapon and from his ruined mouth these words fell out.

"It weren't noth'in It were jist words. . . why'd ya have to go and get so hot about it?"

Then he blacked out.

Yes 'something BIG is still coming' and now all these years later apparently among the powers that be today; words still have no real meaning in themselves and are only there (at the core of government) to be used and abused for power and the omnipotence of their inherent "right" to rule. However there are still those of us that believe in ourselves; (And not this criminal government) so this contest is really just beginning!

The U.S. Constitution and the US Bill of Rights are also 'jist words' It don't mean noth'in ­ do it?"

Full article: http://www.rense.com/general94/something.htm

[Cjay]

That could not be a lens flare. Could it? Please validate my irrational beliefs by agreeing with my speculations!

Okay, enough of the sarcasm. As can be plainly seen from these two shabby images, artifacts and illusions are commonplace and should never be hastily considered as proof of any preconceived ideas or beliefs. Discernment and skepticism are allies of those seeking truth, as are logic, reason and intuition.

L.V.X.


I want to preface my comments by stating that I am not saying those photos do or do not show Elenin or Nibiru (or both).

Take a few deep breaths, calm down and put on your skeptics hat. Most of us WANT to see Elenin/Nibiru. Some of us want so badly to see it that we allow ourselves to be fooled, more often than not.

I have seen literally hundreds of photos on the internet that were claimed to be 100% proof of Nibiru or Elenin - since 2002. I have even taken lots of similar photos myself. In the excitement of my search for Nibiru, I was certain I had captured it on camera - but a very simple test, described below, proved that I was wrong. I had photographed lens flare and other anomolies.

I'm sorry, I deleted all of my false Nibiru photos so I can't post them here to show you examples of what I am trying to explain - but it is actually very easy to reproduce "false Nibiru" photos, with ANY camera.

A simple way to confirm or refute whether we are seeing lens flare is to take several photos with the Sun in different positions within the image. For example, position the Sun in the centre of one photo, then in the top left of the next photo, then top right, bottom left and bottom right in the next three photos. Sometimes you don't even need to take photos to see the lens flare - just look at the image on the camera's LCD screen while you move the camera.

If the additional bright spots (Elenin/Nibiru?) remain in the same position(s) relative to the sun, in each of the photos, then it is very unlikely to be lens flare. Conversely, if you notice the additional bright spots seem to change positions, relative to the sun, in a series of photos taken in quick succession, then it is very likely that what you are seeing is a lens flare or reflection inside the lens or a CCD sensor anomaly and not Elenin/Nibiru.

Another potential problem to consider is that when you aim digital cameras at bright lights, it can cause an image to be temporarily "burned" onto the image sensor which can linger for several seconds - and thus the "burnt" image can appear on subsequent photos. If this occurs, the burnt image does not change position but it will fade and disappear after a few seconds.

This phenomenon is very similar to what happens with our eyes when we look at a bright light or object, then look away and blink repeatedly - we can see an image of the bright light or object temporarily "burned" onto our retinas. If this type of image burn occurs in your photos, simply cover the lens or point the camera away from the bright light or object, then wait a few seconds before taking another photo.


Photographic "proof" is not always proof. The following photos illustrate the point.

I was told this was some kind of dragon/poltergeist that came out of the TV and flew through the house. After seeing the "light dragon" in the first couple of photos, the photographer took several more pictures using the high-speed multi-shot feature of his high-end digital camera. Everywhere the photographer aimed the camera, the "light dragon" was still there in each photo, so he was convinced the "light dragon" came out of the TV and flew through the house. Spooky!!

The first time I saw the first picture below, my honest reaction was "that is the most freaky photo I have ever seen in my life." I was told it was a dragon so I saw a dragon. After a few seconds, I noticed that the "light dragon" was merely lots of burned images of the TV screen streaking across the photo.


Click pictures to enlarge

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There is a simple explanation. The photographer was playing with his new camera while the lens was pointing towards the TV before he took each photo. The image of the TV screen was so bright, relative to the dimly lit room, that the CCD sensor in the camera was overloaded - aka "image burn". When the photos were taken, the image burn appeared in the photos. This effect only lasts for a few seconds, so the image burn did not appear in every photo.

The photographer was convinced the dragon was coming from the TV. He was able to "prove" it to himself by getting the mysterious dragon to reappear each time he aimed the camera at the TV. He was partly correct - the "dragon" did come from the TV - but it is definitely not some paranormal phenomenon.

In summary, the points I am making is that ALL lenses and ALL digital camera CCD sensors are imperfect and they can often cause strange visual effects that sometimes look "real". It's in the photo, so it must be real. Right? WRONG!

Our eyes often deceive us when our minds are made up because we WANT to see something such as Elenin, Nibiru or a light dragon.

[bonnyhut]

I posted this on another Elenin / Nibiru thread... I think its interesting enough to post again....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzIZE6lOXlY

[Cjay]

Go to Google Sky, type in a search for Mercury, then switch to infrared. Its been there for a while. Practical joke by Google? Or is it the real deal?

Whether it is Nibiru or not, perhaps only a few people know for sure. One big problem with Google Earth and Google Sky is that the images are old before they get published and it can be YEARS between updates of the images. So if that image in Google Sky is Nibiru, it is certainly NOT in the same position now.

[Snowbird]

Science is good and has many differing sides, aspects and opinions associated. This article below written by Dr. Michael Salla stresses several viewpoints concerning what has happened to Elenin which, according to this article, may not be a comet at all.

Interesting reading.

Did Comet Elenin disintegrate or reveal an artificial energy shield?
September 3, 2011. Michael E. Salla, Ph.D.

According to an increasing number of astronomers including its discoverer, Comet Elenin (C/2010 X1) has begun disintegrating. It was hit directly by a coronal mass ejection (CME) from the sun on August 19, and soon began loosing visibility - suggesting it was breaking up. In contrast, respected science author Richard C. Hoagland claims that an unmistakable tetrahedral energy shield was displayed by Elenin during the CME confirming beyond any doubt that it is indeed an artificial structure – a space ship.

Yet the August 22-30 satellite data shows that claims of Elenin’s break up may not be as conclusive as first thought, despite the period of diminishing luminosity recorded by Mattiazzo. In fact, Elenin appears to have regained luminosity during its passage suggesting that there is some other explanation for what was earlier observed.

Also, the reported break-up of Elenin in two witnessed in the video was false. What the footage actually showed was Elenin briefly passing over another stellar object giving the appearance that Elenin was breaking into two.

The recent conflicting conclusions on comet Elenin do appear to be a premature dismissal of it as a weak insignificant comet about to break up, or having already broken up as its discoverer now believes due to a drop in its brightness. In contrast, the tetrahedral geometric structure observed by Hoagland suggests that it is more than just an ordinary comet, and in fact is an artificial object protected by an advanced geometric energy shield – a space ship. If Elenin is not a comet but an artificial structure, that may explain changes in its brightness. This may be why there appears to be so much disinformation surrounding Comet Elenin trying to deflect public interest from it. Hoagland’s claims, startingly as they are, appear to be supported by the most recent satellite images of Elenin showing a unique geometric structure surrounding it.

http://www.exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-109.htm

[truth4me]

Science is good and has many differing sides, aspects and opinions associated. This article below written by Dr. Michael Salla stresses several viewpoints of what has happened to Elenin which, according to this article, may not be a comet at all.

Interesting reading.

Did Comet Elenin disintegrate or reveal an artificial energy shield?
September 3, 2011. Michael E. Salla, Ph.D.

According to an increasing number of astronomers including its discoverer, Comet Elenin (C/2010 X1) has begun disintegrating. It was hit directly by a coronal mass ejection (CME) from the sun on August 19, and soon began loosing visibility - suggesting it was breaking up. In contrast, respected science author Richard C. Hoagland claims that an unmistakable tetrahedral energy shield was displayed by Elenin during the CME confirming beyond any doubt that it is indeed an artificial structure – a space ship.

Yet the August 22-30 satellite data shows that claims of Elenin’s break up may not be as conclusive as first thought, despite the period of diminishing luminosity recorded by Mattiazzo. In fact, Elenin appears to have regained luminosity during its passage suggesting that there is some other explanation for what was earlier observed.

Also, the reported break-up of Elenin in two witnessed in the video was false. What the footage actually showed was Elenin briefly passing over another stellar object giving the appearance that Elenin was breaking into two.

The recent conflicting conclusions on comet Elenin do appear to be a premature dismissal of it as a weak insignificant comet about to break up, or having already broken up as its discoverer now believes due to a drop in its brightness. In contrast, the tetrahedral geometric structure observed by Hoagland suggests that it is more than just an ordinary comet, and in fact is an artificial object protected by an advanced geometric energy shield – a space ship. If Elenin is not a comet but an artificial structure, that may explain changes in its brightness. This may be why there appears to be so much disinformation surrounding Comet Elenin trying to deflect public interest from it. Hoagland’s claims, startingly as they are, appear to be supported by the most recent satellite images of Elenin showing a unique geometric structure surrounding it.

http://www.exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-109.htm
very interesting to say the least........

[Hervé]

Argument against the "explosion" speculation from the horse's mouth himself:


The Breakup of Comet Elenin (http://sydneystargazers.com/2011/09/05/the-breakup-of-comet-elenin/)•September 5, 2011 •

http://sydneystargazers.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/leonid-elenin.jpg?w=150&h=94 (http://sydneystargazers.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/leonid-elenin.jpg)
Leonid Elenin

We have been getting a lot of emails from people telling us that comet elenin has not broken up because they have seen recent pictures of it.
Unfortunately we cannot keep on answering the same question again and again to convince people that the comet has indeed broken up.
Instead we would like to refer people to Leonid Elenin’s new post on his blog where he talks more about how the comet is breaking up and the opportunity it gives us to study the comet.
Note in his post where he states the following:
On images from Sept. 1st in the comet’s coma there was no condensation visible, and that meant the comet had already broken up into fairly small pieces, with a maximum size of not more than a hundred meters.
Such a breakup of small comets passing near the Sun is not rare, and in that is nothing surprising. I note that this is a breakup, not an explosion. All the pieces continue to move on the comet’s trajectory. The large fragments are likely to continue to disintegrate into smaller ones. It is possible that in October when the comet moves into the morning sky, we will no longer be able to see what once was Comet Elenin.
This is exactly what we are seeing in recent pictures.

http://spaceobs.org/en/2011/09/03/comet-elenin-the-final-prospect/ (http://spaceobs.org/en/2011/09/03/comet-elenin-the-final-prospect/)

From: http://sydneystargazers.com/

[vibrations]

Everything Ok, Elenin is broken, I believe it. But here is a small question. Did all that official sources really that 7 billion people (-them off course) saw in a Stereo images coming the energetic wave from the sun. Well if I know something about left and right as an idiot in which Leonid converted me with this commentary, the wave came from the right side and the sun was on it's left. and I am sure that did not came from Jupiter which maybe was in the same 2d plan but far far away in the space. it looks that it came from something else. There are theories even theories which to me are quite believable, but ok, we do not have any proof. but Stereo images are some kind of "scientific" proof. And the last lie is also enormously stupid.

[yiolas]

Hi Guys, I took these pictures in April of 2011 with my Nokia 6700 cell phone.
How can we all be getting lens flares with the same image ?

[Hervé]

Everything Ok, Elenin is broken, I believe it. But here is a small question. Did all that official sources really that 7 billion people (-them off course) saw in a Stereo images coming the energetic wave from the sun. Well if I know something about left and right as an idiot in which Leonid converted me with this commentary, the wave came from the right side and the sun was on it's left. and I am sure that did not came from Jupiter which maybe was in the same 2d plan but far far away in the space. it looks that it came from something else. There are theories even theories which to me are quite believable, but ok, we do not have any proof. but Stereo images are some kind of "scientific" proof. And the last lie is also enormously stupid.

Once upon a time there was a puny comet that got curious about some outback solar system and got hit by a CME...

All right, Elenin first got hit by a CME from the Sun around August 20.

Then there was all the hype about it getting hit by a lens flare from Jupiter; see this video:


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Now, in order to make up your own mind about all this, you can concoct your own movie about it.

Go to this site: http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/images

Enter the data compatible with your computer/screen capacity.

Here is a screen shot of the data I entered:


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The dates between August 15 and Sept. 03, Behind HI1, resolution 1024X1024, slideshow... search...


Comet Elenin starts from the lower left corner, Sun to the left, Mercury and Jupiter to the right.


Here is an approximate configuration of the planets around those times:


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Enjoy the show!

[greybeard]

Well that could not be clearer AmzerZo
Thank you for taking the time to help us understand what is actually gong on regarding Elenin

Chris

[Mandala]

This is a wee bit interesting, probably a coincidence. President Obama is going to be at the Denver airport in late September( I believe 9-27). That would be convenient if he needed a deep underground base.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO4uVu80KHw

[nearing]

This is a wee bit interesting, probably a coincidence. President Obama is going to be at the Denver airport in late September( I believe 9-27). That would be convenient if he needed a deep underground base.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO4uVu80KHw

There are no such things as coincidences with TPTW. Of all of the cities in the world he could be during that couple of days, what are the chances of Denver being the choice? LOL!!! So tiny as to be NOT A COINCIDENCE!

Thanks for finding that, Mandala!

[Hervé]

About that so-called "tetrahedron"... that thing has been bugging me to no end and I couldn't settle it to any satisfactory manner until I read something from an aeronautical engineer.

Here is how this thing evolved, starting from Hoagland's unique composite frame from which his "uncontestable" proof and confirmation of his speculations:


Here is the latest Enterprise Elenin imaging (below) -- produced from an original NASA STEREO-B satellite video, the latter recorded during Elenin's recent encounter with a solar CME (coronal mass ejection), August 19th.

The new image-composite (made from THREE "40-second HI-1 camera frames") reveals several additional, startling details about Elenin's now strikingly "tetrahedral shield" (which we discovered only last week) -- that is apparently protecting "Elenin the spacecraft" (deep inside this shield) from excess solar radiation.

The well-known technique of "stacking" independent image frames, to "increase signal and suppress noise," is an old one -- used successfully by professional and amateur astronomers alike. On this composite image, the brighter "knobs" at the apex of each of the three visible tetrahedral vertices can now easily be seen, as well as the striking "rounded symmetry" of each tetrahedral "vertex."
The full dimensions of this extraordinary "geometric force structure" now measures more than ~300,000 miles along each edge -- more than 1.5 times the distance of Earth from the Moon!

Needless to say, there is NO QUESTION now regarding the artificial nature of this object/structure; in several hundred years of astronomers observing comets -- including, over two decades of satellite imagery specifically to study interactions with the solar wind -- such an obviously ARTIFICIAL, GEOMETRIC structure has NEVER BEEN OBSERVED.

The fact that this astonishing structure is also a precise "tetrahedron" -- echoing the deeply "tetrahedral" numbers associated with Elenin's very trajectory into the inner solar system! -- is even more extraordinary. It definitely confirms that the overwhelming "message of Elenin" is--

"Hyperdimensional Physics!"


So, first of all, that singular frame is a stacking/superimposition of three 40-second exposures. In short, it's a patchwork.

Here is the video of Elenin being hit with the Sun's CME and from which the frames to constitute the composite have been taken from:


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Now, with that video in mind and the characteristics of the surrounding stars: all pixelleted into squares, etc... here came the rescue:


From: http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/117758-Comet-Elenin-again/page3 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/117758-Comet-Elenin-again/page3)



Originally Posted by Don J
Hoagland pretend that the tetrahedron is a"geometric force shield "protecting the central object...

Since the comet appears to be distintegrating, I guess they should have gone with the underbody rustproofing too.

Hoagland starts with the conclusion that Elenin is a spacecraft and then interprets the rest of the observations around that. Circular argument, tetrahedral "force shield."

Of course we aren't told what a "force shield" is. That's because it's pure science fiction. We aren't told how Hoagland determined that's what it was. The fog that populates other areas of the image is apparently unremarkable, despite it being of the same visual character as the fog around Elenin. So if it's around Elenin, it's a "force shield." If it's elsewhere in the image, it's ordinary dust, dispersion, noise, or whatever. Hoagland only ventures to explain part of the fog.

As he did with the formations at Cydonia on Mars, Hoagland imposes the notion of regularity on the image. He says it's "perfectly" regular in a geometric, but it visibly is not. That raises the same specter that we always have to confront when dealing with Hoagland's claims: how far can you be off and still be "perfect?" At a certain point the eye rectifies near-regular geometries as part of our highly-developed pattern-based vision. Real photo analysis has to move to numerical methods in order to sidestep this artifact of human vision. Hoagland rarely does that.

The problem with setting up a not-quite-perfect shape as a perfect shape is that the alleged perfection then becomes the only argument for artificiality. "Such a perfect shape cannot arise in nature, therefore it must be artificial." But near-regular processes occur all the time in nature. So the degree of perfection becomes the important element.

He sees three bright patches near Elenin, roughly centered on it and forming a nearly equilateral triangle. He interprets them as the visible edges of some tetrahedral structure. But a triangle is not a tetrahedron. You can interpret it that way only if you assume one of the four cardinal axes of the tetrahedron is aligned with your line of sight. That's convenient for a happenstance image such as this. Most real-world photography of regular shapes in chance encounters does not capture them in a canonical orientation.

Further, Hoagland argues that the vertices of his tetrahedron are perfect circles. Really, Richard? Are you going to say that the product of considerable image processing, deconvolution, and filtration is circular, and that this is proof of regularity rather than an artifact of the circular support for the relevant algorithms?

Needless to say, it's pure Hoagland: lots and lots of imagination and no science.



That's where the whole spinned tale goes into a tail spin and falls apart:

The cherry-picking and isolation of specific data from a backgorund of contradictory ones to fit the theory.

Never mind that the Sun exhibits such tentacular "force fields" as well... errr... particles stream... errr... dust... whatever!

OMG! The Sun is a piloted spaceship too! Did you see how it CMEd/spat at that Elenin intruder? Did that to comet Neat too!

Nobody messes with our Sun, eh!?

Here is someone else's view on the same subject:


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[The Truth Is In There]

at the end of the cycle we'll return to cosmic consciousness ("three days of darkness") and decide on our future development by entering the timeline that's best for us. the splitting of timelines is the same as the splitting of earths and dimensions. our higher selves will determine which timeline / earth vibration we're going to experience. those who enter the 4th/5th dimension will retain full connection with their higher selves, those who go back to the 3rd dimension will experience the earth changes and if they live through them will eventually live without any connection to spirit. the latter could be called the "negative" timeline but it's actually just an experience like any other. without judgement there's no positive or negative. everything just is.[COLOR="red"]



I don't believe that entirely... You will only live without any connection to spirit if you REJECT that connection. Granted, there are those that do reject that connection, but I'd hazard a guess that most people on this planet are accepting to some extent of a connection to spirit. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that 99% of our population would be very very lost if their connection to spirit were suddenly lost....

I'll bet that the 3d earth (one could even say it would be DEvolved) will be a very sparesely populated Earth full of boring people... When we do ascend, we'll take most of the Earth with us to at least some extent - they will resisde in a 3.7/4/5/etc D reality that will be higher in vibration to the extent of their spiritual progress on this earth. Very few will have not made any spiritual progress, so very few will be "left behind"...

sorry this post will be somewhat off-topic but i want to include an answer nevertheless.

it's not so much a rejection of the connection with spirit as a decision by the higher self to allow that aspect of itself that has the incarnation to experience a life without any connection to spirit (or anything spiritual, such as religion). it will be an experience that's completely focused on material things. of course that's on one end of the spectrum while full connection with spirit is on the other and there will be countless stages inbetween.

nevertheless, there are a lot of people (atheists etc.) who totally deny anything but what they see and what science has proven. these are not bad people who therefore remain in the 3rd dimension but they're at a stage in their development where they do not yet acknowledge that there is a higher guidance and that everything is not matter but consciousness.

this has to be seen from the higher self's point of view. just like creator wants to experience every aspect of itself, and especially wants to experience being cut off from itself, so does the higher self want to have aspects of itself that have no connection to spirit.

you're right, the 3d earth will become DEvolved, a simple result of the earth changes and what else is going to take place. there is a timeline in which the surface of earth is no longer habitable (earth too wants to have every possible experience) where people can only live underground. there are also timelines where it's possible to live on the surface but under various more or less difficult conditions.

i often read things like "earth doesn't want to get destroyed by mankind" and stuff like that but that is not correct. seen from a higher perspective it is just an experience like every other and no judgement is made. same as a catholic priest raping a little boy, to use another example. from a human perspective you could say the priest and what he does is "negative" but from a higher perspective both are just experiences and essentially both victim and perpetrator are the creator experiencing itself.

many different timelines have been seen by people who were hypnotically progressed into the future. that they experience them under hypnosis confirms that these timelines exist. by how many people they are experienced indicates if it's a major or minor timeline. that different people see different scenarios just means that this would be their experience from the current stage in their development which is different from person to person. by making changes in their life or spiritual development, which they'd not have made without the knowledge gained from future progression, they could even change their own timeline and thus would not have the same experience as the one they "remembered" under hypnosis. that timeline and experience still exists but is experienced by another aspect of themselves.

an interesting book is "mass dreams of the future" which details four different scenarios (new age love & light community, post-apocalyptic scenario, high tech city scenario and life in a space station) which were the most common experiences of the subjects. basically it says that only a small percentage of all currently incarnated humans will have an experience on the 3d earth in the near future (15% or so in 2100, i don't remember the exact figures) which means that about 85% of all currently incarnated humans will have their next experience either on another planet or in another dimension.

whichever scenario people are going to experience, i think we can conclude that a lot less human (and other) beings will be around, at least in the various 3rd dimensional timelines. those who ascend will be the ones who acknowledge the existence and their connection with spirit, give up on judgement and express the desire to give and experience unconditional love.

[cheez_2806]

Elenin is tertrahedral spaceship video -
what is the line running across jupiter and mercury?

[OnyxKnight]

There is nothing 'Reptoid' associated with Elenin. And its not a forced change of trajectory, its a pre-planned one.

What do you mean by pre-planned? Who or What pre-planned the trajectory? Are you referring to it's natural course?

When something is supposed to be moving on a route, some key changes in trajectory have to be met. You program it, "it" travels.

Not 100% sure who is behind Elenin, I thought I knew though. I know they are supposed to be "neutral" (if that makes any more sense to you). So they can't be the Reps.

[greybeard]

Could it not just be a comet, now disintegrating?
There is no evidence to suggest anything other.
Chris

[OnyxKnight]

Could it not just be a comet, now disintegrating?
There is no evidence to suggest anything other.
Chris

Only a very well trained eye (and educated background on the matter) can spot a replica of a famous work of art.

What I'm trying to say is - things that mimic natural cosmic bodies in space, and are in fact artificial, can be recognized. The artist is never flawless.

Yes, it appears to be just a natural comet. Mind the word "appears".

[DoubleHelix]

Elenin really doesn't do much for me... but some may find this of interest.

James Horak interview.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOO2ORP99Ns&feature=player_embedded

[Carolin]

I just can't buy into the alien theories....just too messy. The truth is usually simple. This video resonates with me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVhApuVKRyc

[Cjay]

I wish I could show you the pictures I took with my eyes yesterday - similar to yours, yiolas, only there were THREE "somethings" beside the sun. Next time I should stop the car before staring at the sun, lol.

[truth4me]

This is using a cheap flip-phone from Cricket wireless. It works with most cell phones and the pictures get more interesting the cheaper and lower the resolution. Grab a cheap phone, especially one with recording capability, and you can get some interesting results. I once made a very compelling 'UFO' video using nothing more than my cell and a street lamp, exploiting odd video artifacts. I posted it on a thread on another site a while ago and convinced even known skeptics that the video was real. That led to much disappointment once I revealed the truth.

I've got a message for you.

Stop screwing around with people.

It is very non-productive, and not respectful.

It may be personally an interesting thing to do, but it is not overall a good thing to do, at all. It is the opposite.

In this thread, your are being honest about it, thank you. Try not to do the 'poseur' thing with the crying of wolves and such, as it breaks the covenant with the truth, and does more damage than good. What I'm saying is that in my experience, misleading as a form of a lesson can and usually does more harm than good. Ie, in my experience, the majority do not need that lesson, in that form.


First, I have no interest in good or bad, right or wrong.These terms are meaningless to anyone who has understanding.

Second, I'm sure your experience is valid and true for you, but not necessarily for anyone else.
Deception can be a very productive tool, and for this reason it has been used in the majority of Mystery and Spiritual traditions for countless ages.
If you yourself have been deceived that was your choice to make, no one is or was guilty for the way you respond to circumstance.
There is nothing inherently wrong about being intentionally misleading; no-one puts a gun to your head and forces you into a belief; you are ultimately responsible for your choices.

Besides, there was nothing misleading or deceptive about my actions. I merely posted a video capturing odd visual effects and asked the simple question, "What think ye of this?"

Those who jump up in haste and shout 'UFO!' without questioning the facts or asking for details are lead astray by their own self-made delusions, not by me.
I've broken no 'covenant' as I don't buy into such new age dribble or pseudo-intellectual B.S. no matter how many times it's regurgitated before me by those who believe themselves to be enlightened.a question about right and wrong or good or bad having no meaning. What if a grown man murders a 5 year old girl after raping her? So there should be no right and wrong or good and bad connected to his actions? Not to stray off the subject to far just wondering since you have understanding....

[truth4me]

Now that was a very interesting video....man it's getting goofy out here but in a good goofy way....I think.

[Calz]

Putting this up here simply for scrutiny. Using several different filters he implies the nucleus of elenin is intact (as of Sept 2nd).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pibat6QUWbs&feature=BFa&list=ULQGIpluBz6kw&lf=mfu_in_order

[Hervé]

Putting this up here simply for scrutiny. Using several different filters he implies the nucleus of elenin is intact (as of Sept 2nd).



Interesting work and results.

However, because there is nothing else to compare it to from previous dates; nothing can be conluded from it.

Whereas, if you check the data provided by http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/sc.htm , where shots (same exposures, filters, ect.) of the comet are comparable... make up your own mind.

Moreover, the people at http://sydneystargazers.com/ have checked with the appropriate instrument the degree of condensation of the nucleus:



•August 31, 2011 •
[...]
In the last 12 days, Elenin is reported to have faded by as much as 80% and the latest findings show that Elenin is seen only as a smear and there is no sign of central condensation.

When we talk about a comet’s degree of condensation , we look at either the degree of condensation of the coma (atmosphere) or the degree of condensation of the nucleus.

In this case ,we are talking about comet Elenin having no central condensation, in other words of the nucleus…… and this roughly means there is no longer a nucleus to comet Elenin.

This has been measured by an E12 instrument which is used to gauge the level of condensation of a comet.

Taking the above comparable data into account, what the video poster is showing is what's left of the "coma," not the nucleus.

[greybeard]

This is very interesting Amzer Zo
A professional view of the totality of the situation.
Your opinion will be appreciated
Chris



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAHo_FCQZ8Y&feature=uploademail

[Peace4all]

Just wanted to throw a "thanks" out there to everyone contributing to this topic, especially greybeard and Amzer zo, you two have put in a lot of time. It makes for an extremely interesting read. I love that people can make there own conclusion about Elenin too:)
Love&Peace.

[norman]

The neutron star idea is interesting.

I suppose the big question about that is whether such a collapse of a planet to create it is really scientifically solid.

[yiolas]

Hi Thanks Cjay. I've shown these pictures before on Avalon, but every time someone will say that it's just a lens flare. I will take that possibility into consideration. However, my question is why are so many different people with different cameras have the same shape of lens flare ?

Next time you should get out of the car and take the picture. You might be surprised what the digital camera will capture.

[Arrowwind]

But Elvis! Where's Elvis?

;)

[joedjemal]

Hi Thanks Cjay. I've shown these pictures before on Avalon, but every time someone will say that it's just a lens flare. I will take that possibility into consideration. However, my question is why are so many different people with different cameras have the same shape of lens flare ?


Next time you should get out of the car and take the picture. You might be surprised what the digital camera will capture.

Because the lenses tend to be made of the same materials, are about the same size and are often manufactured by one firm and sold to many different phone manufacturers. In any lens of a particular size shape and material in the same lighting conditions the flare will look the same
because of the laws of optics. And because they are all doing the same job (need to be tiny to fit into a phone) the optical properties will be very similar even if made by different manufacturers

[nearing]

Chris, I too think that the Neutron Star theory put forth by that gentleman in your linked video is intriguing. The one thing he doesn't state though, is if a Neutron star of the mass that he is proposing would cause the effects that have been observed by the JPL software (i.e.. algnments=earthquakes). If not, why does he propose it at all? If it doesn't, then Elenin just being a comet is just as good a theory as any.

Surely, the movements in a binary system, even when one of the stars is not of great mass, would make some perturbing effects as the 2 stars enter each others orbits.

I guess, I'd like him to make some conclusions from his very intriguing theory.

_________________________

Well, I just emailed Keith Hunter asking him for more. I will let you all know if I get a word back from him.

[Dick]

When you look at the sun, try to do it through an CD or an welding mask, then you can see the sun as it is, and if there is something near it, you will see it as well.
I have done it myself with an welding mask, en its beautifull to see, but i didn't see anything else but the sun.

Dick.

[nearing]

This is note-worthy:

COMET ELENIN STILL COMMING!!! LIFT OFF SOON??? (http://www.ashtarcommandcrew.net/forum/topics/comet-elenin-still-comming-lift-off-soon)


Yes, Comet Elenin is still comming and it is not a coincedence about its' timing and alinements. I can feel the energy on Mother Earth is getting stronger. And I still stand by my channeled statements about being lifted up. There are many videos and statements from people around the world now as this thing approaches. I will provide links below as they can tell you their informantion much better than I. This is what we were waiting for so let's make these days count.
Here is a channeled info from Saint Germain:

Ascended Master Saint Germain.Comet Elenin and our World,September 4, 2011
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This hour-long video puts everything in a nutshell:

The Rapture And Comet Elenin Connection! (4/6)
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As if the earth doesn't have enough trouble with elenin, there are other objects comming behind it:

The DESTROYER Cometh! - Pt 1/6
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With all the destruction impeding, it is SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN!! I channeled Orion "at this particular time. The earth will change is compesation and obsoved energies from the great central sun in the center of the galaxy to ascend. Its' energies will also change the people in their consciousness and will adjust them to the new frequencies comming to the planet."

[Terra]

But Elvis! Where's Elvis?

;)

Sorry to have to tell you this my friend but, Elvis has left the orbit!

http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/4039/PreviewComp/SuperStock_4039-76974.jpg

[Calz]

Lol :lol:

Out of morbid curiosity I did a search on how many threads had "elenin" in the title.

*** 73 seperate threads ***

[nearing]

Lol :lol:

Out of morbid curiosity I did a search on how many threads had "elenin" in the title.

*** 73 seperate threads ***

And I believe this one has been here all along. ;)

[Hervé]

This is very interesting Amzer Zo
A professional view of the totality of the situation.
Your opinion will be appreciated
Chris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAHo_FCQZ8Y&feature=uploademail


That's a lot of work from Keith, some good, some... well, let's have a look.

All right Chris, let's start with the original premise and the picture provided allegedly taken through the South Pole Telescope; I have no idea if it's genuine or not and if it really was taken with the SPT?

Then there's the coordinates given for this initial object. Two ways to get such coordinates: actual ones or "fed" ones. In the latter case one can chose one of these "blank" area of Google Sky, pick some coordinates in it and then scream to the high winds of YouTube: "They are hiding something!" I performed that little exercise as I was getting tired of the floods of references labeling Carbon Star CW Leonis as Nibiru/PlanetX/Dwarf/Neutron star/ect., when I realized that some "loaded" numbers were falling within a discontinuity of the sky survey:


Nop!

Youze all wrong!

That Brown Dwarf/Nemesis/PlanetX/Neutron Star cannot possibly be anywhere else than at 11h 11m 11s -- 220 22' 22"

The proof? Look at those numbers! Moreover Google is hiding it in that black strip! How much more proof does one need?

9511 9512

Hence, no conclusion possible on that one unless confirmed by amateur astronomers checking that spot.

I haven't checked out if Astrollpatriot gave which portion of the sky his pictures were taken from.

Then, there the problem of the model followed for star formation, evolution and destruction. Simply because these models are put out by astrophysicists of the most conservative -- if not reactionary -- crowd of the scientific world. To put it lightly, most of them would be perfectly happy with a flat earth. This same crowd which keeps the electromagnetic nature of this universe at bay with a 10' pole.

Not withstanding that, there is the problem of an exploding ball which remnants miraculously end up in a very defined "belt." That one I cannot buy even if I were wealthy.

Try imagining it: blow up a ball in space from its center and follow all the pieces out from that center... the best you could come to would be an expanding circular ellipsoid if not an expanding sphere.

The only way I can conceive -- for now -- a planet turning into an asteroid belt is through disintegration or, better, disaggregation. Same as is happening to comet Elenin: the pieces keep following the orbital path.

For a more coherent explanation of this asteroid belt and how this solar system maintains itself, once again, I refer you to Stan Deyo and my post #999 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Is-it-Comet-Elenin-Is-it-Nibiru-Elenin-Updates.&p=290742&viewfull=1#post290742)