Planet X/Nibiru/Tyche/Hercolobus/Elenin

[Mike Gorman]

Not sure if this has been flagged yet, but this English chap is more than meticulous describing the object in our Solar system that Astral Patriot discusses-I think this has the hallmark of real research and very sound reasoning-see what you think.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1rfypqWN5Y&feature=feedu

[Kindred]

Keith Hunter was one of the speakers in Kerry Cassidy's forum on Elenin back a few months ago. http://projectcamelot.tv/

At the time, I felt the conference had some great historical info, along with current understandings and speculations as to
what Elenin/Nibiru 'held in store' for us. Just the same, I suspect none of this conjecture and speculation will but touch the
'surface' of the reality.

[Arrowwind]

But Elvis! Where's Elvis?

;)

Sorry to have to tell you this my friend but, Elvis has left the orbit!

http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/4039/PreviewComp/SuperStock_4039-76974.jpg

Oh my god, I was prayin.. I thought he was spotted up there by the sun with Nibiru and that maybe he really was the King come to usher in endtimes with the heavenly hosts ... and we'd all be going down in a blaze of hip grinding rock n roll glory! ... :(

[Hervé]

So far, what I found from Astrolpatriot is this video from March 2011 in which he does specify that the object he took pictures of was located in the Leo Constellation and going into Orion:

azU-H2TBXdU

So... for those of you with good telescopes...

[greybeard]

Thanks for the work you are putting in Amzer Zo.
I understand a little of the points are making.
I suppose I hope for a qualified yes or no as to yes there is some danger or no there is none in the foreseeable future.

Regardless there does not seem to be any logical valid explanation for the increasing number of earth quakes and other phenomena occurring ie birds falling from the sky but one.

Please keep up the good work Amzer Zo it is much appreciated by me and I am sure many others.

Chris

[TargeT]

I dont see how any danger could be present by any of the more "main stream" explinatoins, and there's not much evidence that anything else is happening.

the only reason I'm interested in this topic is the alignemnts & their dates & the close similarity to prophesy, red/blue kachina, the destroyer in virgo's (Justice, ISIS) hand.. too many randomly coroborating sources to ignore this heavenly body.

perhaps its something more, I know our universe is more electrical in nature than not (though I only say electrical because its really more gravo/magnetical.. but you'd have to watch the video on Planks Constant & understand a bit of the Coral Castle trinity to come to that conclusion).

From a random guy in alaska: chances are slim to none that anything will happen if this is just a natural "comet".. (though even NASA classifies it as an E-class....)

[greybeard]

I dont see how any danger could be present by any of the more "main stream" explinatoins, and there's not much evidence that anything else is happening.

the only reason I'm interested in this topic is the alignemnts & their dates & the close similarity to prophesy, red/blue kachina, the destroyer in virgo's (Justice, ISIS) hand.. too many randomly coroborating sources to ignore this heavenly body.

perhaps its something more, I know our universe is more electrical in nature than not (though I only say electrical because its really more gravo/magnetical.. but you'd have to watch the video on Planks Constant & understand a bit of the Coral Castle trinity to come to that conclusion).

From a random guy in alaska: chances are slim to none that anything will happen if this is just a natural "comet".. (though even NASA classifies it as an E-class....)

Yes that is of interest to me too.
I suppose my difficulty is that I was reading about the prophesies and the possibility of a change of consciousness over 40 years ago and have had my hopes raised several times and little happened, so im getting tired.
This time there is more evidence of change-- the timing-- the Mayan calendar, the prophesies of the indigenous population all in alignment.

Anyway not that long to the next alignment assuming there is enough of the comet left to align.
Then we will have, perhaps, some indication
Regards Chris

[TargeT]

Yes that is of interest to me too.
I suppose my difficulty is that I was reading about the prophesies and the possibility of a change of consciousness over 40 years ago and have had my hopes raised several times and little happened, so im getting tired.
This time there is more evidence of change-- the timing-- the Mayan calendar, the prophesies of the indigenous population all in alignment.

Anyway not that long to the next alignment assuming there is enough of the comet left to align.
Then we will have, perhaps, some indication
Regards Chris

haha, I'm glad I came to this game late, I can't imagine waiting 40 years!

and as for the comet "disinigrating" I give that as much credibilty as the rest, honestly, do we REALLY know its even there? I haven't seen it myself.. I'm inclined to believe it's there; but as I "know" almost nothing, I'm very open to any posibility.

Really, do you even have to question that something is happening, surely you can feel it? how was your 5th night? (Mayan calander,, 18 aug - 5 sept) what would you call the theme of that period of time in your life?

[greybeard]

Yes that is of interest to me too.
I suppose my difficulty is that I was reading about the prophesies and the possibility of a change of consciousness over 40 years ago and have had my hopes raised several times and little happened, so im getting tired.
This time there is more evidence of change-- the timing-- the Mayan calendar, the prophesies of the indigenous population all in alignment.

Anyway not that long to the next alignment assuming there is enough of the comet left to align.
Then we will have, perhaps, some indication
Regards Chris

haha, I'm glad I came to this game late, I can't imagine waiting 40 years!

and as for the comet "disinigrating" I give that as much credibilty as the rest, honestly, do we REALLY know its even there? I haven't seen it myself.. I'm inclined to believe it's there; but as I "know" almost nothing, I'm very open to any posibility.

Really, do you even have to question that something is happening, surely you can feel it? how was your 5th night? (Mayan calander,, 18 aug - 5 sept) what would you call the theme of that period of time in your life?

Oh yes something is happening, Im not sure where it is going though.
Im not concerned for me as I know I am not the body, but I have concerns for those who have no information and may find themselves in the deep end any time now.
Just say we have three days of darkness and no electricity to light the house.
It would not bother me as I am mentally prepared and I would take it a a positive sign.
But it would create fear in the great majority and thats my concern.

Kundalini Is another subject but its part of the body preparing for a change of spiritual energy, I have that experience on going.
Chris

[HORIZONS]

Yes that is of interest to me too.
I suppose my difficulty is that I was reading about the prophesies and the possibility of a change of consciousness over 40 years ago and have had my hopes raised several times and little happened, so im getting tired.
This time there is more evidence of change-- the timing-- the Mayan calendar, the prophesies of the indigenous population all in alignment.

Anyway not that long to the next alignment assuming there is enough of the comet left to align.
Then we will have, perhaps, some indication
Regards Chris

haha, I'm glad I came to this game late, I can't imagine waiting 40 years!

and as for the comet "disinigrating" I give that as much credibilty as the rest, honestly, do we REALLY know its even there? I haven't seen it myself.. I'm inclined to believe it's there; but as I "know" almost nothing, I'm very open to any posibility.

Really, do you even have to question that something is happening, surely you can feel it? how was your 5th night? (Mayan calander,, 18 aug - 5 sept) what would you call the theme of that period of time in your life?

What are your thoughts on the "something" that is happening? The time period in question has been very restless for me - how about you? (PM me if need be)

[Hervé]

Thanks for the work you are putting in Amzer Zo.
I understand a little of the points are making.
I suppose I hope for a qualified yes or no as to yes there is some danger or no there is none in the foreseeable future.

Regardless there does not seem to be any logical valid explanation for the increasing number of earth quakes and other phenomena occurring ie birds falling from the sky but one.

Please keep up the good work Amzer Zo it is much appreciated by me and I am sure many others.

Chris

Oh... thaaaAAT!

Well, that's easy: start from who/what kind of groups are constantly getting us (alternative community) to look at the sky for threats and sources of catastrophes, mostly channeled materials (starting with the Bible and most recently Sitchin and Nancy Lieder). Have a look at who/what controls the keyboards warriors through electromagnetic waves manipultions... EMFs... who's got the technology to do that? Who financed it?

What do you think would happen to a flock of birds getting microwaved in the sky? Same for schools of fish in water? In olden days some people used dynamite to go fishing... fish and compression waves are not compatible.

Same with earthquakes as demonstrated by Dr. Bruce Agnews... just need a pinch of some waves added to some tectonically unstable areas and... what have we got here... waoww! Look at that tsunami!

I think that's what Dutchsinse came to realize and dropped everything else but to concentrate on these radar signatures.

It's all got to do with enrgy vibrations, waves, carrier waves and what resonates to those or can be manipulated via those.

Hence, most of the danger is coming from a specific portion of the human population and not much is done to eliminate that particular source of danger. Because, while the curious minds have their curiosity rerouted towards the sky and its various critters, meanwhile on Earth it's Business As Usual (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?27790-While-you-were-out---business-as-usual&p=283872&viewfull=1#post283872) for these occulted "rulers."

[HORIZONS]

I suppose my difficulty is that I was reading about the prophesies and the possibility of a change of consciousness over 40 years ago and have had my hopes raised several times and little happened, so im getting tired.

I've been looking and waiting since 1978 - and I am tired too. It is really difficult to put any stock or hope or faith into anything anyone has to say as to "what" is coming, "how" it is coming, and "when" it is coming. I keep my eyes and ears open - yet life goes on.

[TargeT]

What are your thoughts on the "something" that is happening? The time period in question has been very restless for me - how about you? (PM me if need be)

the 5th night is supose to be full of trials, restless is a "nice" way of saying it... everyone I know has had some sort of challange during this period (except for 1 person).. this is exactly what is described as the 5th night.. it is the micro in the macro (of the 9th step, which we are in currently) I don't have my good links here at work, but if you read the mayan calandar and the 7 days and 6 nights that each "step" is made up of (9 steps, each split into 7 days and 6 nights, each step is 20x the intensity of the step before)

I just find it comforting that I can see in my life a refleciton of what the Mayan calandar (and its hopi lore) say should be happening right now.

my 5th night was VERY dramatic, but as I anticipated it comming I feel I have been much more ballanced and able to deal with what would possibly have delt me a strong blow with out this knowledge.


I hope that a "DNA" upgrade, or elivated conciousness is instore for us, but that's not the only possibility.. being open and willing to accept what comes feels right to me, so I'm going with that for now.

HOWEVER: I am also more than convinced that there is an influencing force that has been manipulating our society (globaly) for longer than we remember.. this cannot be forgotten & must remain in the fore front of your mind at every turn (infact I find it peaceful, so much of this crazy world makese sense when viewed through that filiter).

if you have not gotten to this point yet in your research, I emplore you to continue following subjects, as for me; all roads lead here.

[HORIZONS]

What are your thoughts on the "something" that is happening? The time period in question has been very restless for me - how about you? (PM me if need be)

the 5th night is supose to be full of trials, restless is a "nice" way of saying it... everyone I know has had some sort of challange during this period (except for 1 person).. this is exactly what is described as the 5th night.. it is the micro in the macro (of the 9th step, which we are in currently) I don't have my good links here at work, but if you read the mayan calandar and the 7 days and 6 nights that each "step" is made up of (9 steps, each split into 7 days and 6 nights, each step is 20x the intensity of the step before)

I just find it comforting that I can see in my life a refleciton of what the Mayan calandar (and its hopi lore) say should be happening right now.

my 5th night was VERY dramatic, but as I anticipated it comming I feel I have been much more ballanced and able to deal with what would possibly have delt me a strong blow with out this knowledge.


I hope that a "DNA" upgrade, or elivated conciousness is instore for us, but that's not the only possibility.. being open and willing to accept what comes feels right to me, so I'm going with that for now.

HOWEVER: I am also more than convinced that there is an influencing force that has been manipulating our society (globaly) for longer than we remember.. this cannot be forgotten & must remain in the fore front of your mind at every turn (infact I find it peaceful, so much of this crazy world makese sense when viewed through that filiter).

if you have not gotten to this point yet in your research, I emplore you to continue following subjects, as for me; all roads lead here.

Many thanks - I don't really know much about the "Mayan" side of things - to many other rabbit trails I have traveled other than that one - I have looked into it a few times, but there was SO much info - some of it very wild - it is difficult to get started. Maybe you could start a thread with good solid info on this subject - that would be cool ;)

[nearing]

Chris, I too think that the Neutron Star theory put forth by that gentleman in your linked video is intriguing. The one thing he doesn't state though, is if a Neutron star of the mass that he is proposing would cause the effects that have been observed by the JPL software (i.e.. algnments=earthquakes). If not, why does he propose it at all? If it doesn't, then Elenin just being a comet is just as good a theory as any.

Surely, the movements in a binary system, even when one of the stars is not of great mass, would make some perturbing effects as the 2 stars enter each others orbits.

I guess, I'd like him to make some conclusions from his very intriguing theory.

_________________________

Well, I just emailed Keith Hunter asking him for more. I will let you all know if I get a word back from him.

He just got back with me. He sent me an audio recording with his response. I haven't listened yet.

Not sure how I would go about attaching it here...

I may have to listen and compile a summary.

_______________

Okay, it's too long and full of great points. I really like his thought process. I will paste the contents of my email to him here then if anyone wants to hear his response, you can PM me and I will email it to you.

MY EMAIL TO HIM:

Hello Keith,

I just came across your YT video explanation of the Neutron Star theory and
I find it plausible and intriguing. I was left with the feeling that I'd
like you to take it a step further and give your conclusions. In other
words, if this is a binary system and our Sun's companion start is a small
neutron star and it is entering our inner system now, what physical
(electromagnetic and gravitational,, etc) will that or does it have on our
Sun and and our planet? Surely the JPL software showing the historical
alignment dates of 'elenin' and whatever it is orbiting and our planet plus
other bodies (additive forces on the planet) having great earthquakes CANNOT
be coincidental as there are too many of them.

The cyclical nature of this event (3600 years) and the catastrophes that
happened historically too show that this thing has the capacity to 'shake'
or perturb Earth in some way, no?

I am one watcher that is hanging on my the edge of her seat for the next
installment of your Neutron star series: "What it means for our planet."

I am not looking for any doomsday scenario, mind you. I just want cold
facts whether they be a positive or a negative, it doesn't matter to me.
All knowledge is good and I have no fear even if it is a negative effect we
are expecting. I know many wouldn't see ti that way, but that is their
problem. They need to realize that 3D life is only an illusion that we chose
to experience. ;-)

Cheers
___________________________

For those interested - greybeard posted Keith's video on this thread about a page back. Here it is again:

GAHo_FCQZ8Y

[TargeT]

Many thanks - I don't really know much about the "Mayan" side of things - to many other rabbit trails I have traveled other than that one - I have looked into it a few times, but there was SO much info - some of it very wild - it is difficult to get started. Maybe you could start a thread with good solid info on this subject - that would be cool ;)

I have started a thread, but I fear if I tell you where it is I'll be shot.. this forum has been slightly tainted in my eyes since january and I don't feel I can freely comunicate as freely as I want to.. I'll see if i can cross post some info later on, though I'd be very supprised if there wasn't a comprehensive thread on this forum already.

The mayan calander can be summed up as this:
we have been going through an increase in conciousness, 9 levels of it, but NONE are finished yet, all 9 finish on the 28th of october (this year, not sure if there's an error margine there, the other dates seem to be pretty "spot on") since each step is 20x the previous one we should be able to trace this back through history, and; it does line up rather nicely..

of course its a bit more complex than that, and the hopi prophesy are relivant as well, my interpritation is that it will be the "end of the world" but in a conceptual sense,, for example, if I were to release cold fusion and anti gravity tech tomorrow (something that is very possible and discribed in a thread here on this forum ;) ) then what continues after that would litteraly be considered a "new world" or "new era" so it may not mean death and destruction.... (then again.. )

[The Truth Is In There]

Many thanks - I don't really know much about the "Mayan" side of things - to many other rabbit trails I have traveled other than that one - I have looked into it a few times, but there was SO much info - some of it very wild - it is difficult to get started. Maybe you could start a thread with good solid info on this subject - that would be cool ;)

maybe your should try this one and ignore the "conventional" mayan stuff about 2012 for now:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29437-EXACT-DATE-for-the-ascension-according-to-the-Maya.-Not-12-21-12-and-not-10-28-11-

[The Truth Is In There]

Just say we have three days of darkness and no electricity to light the house.
It would not bother me as I am mentally prepared and I would take it a a positive sign.
But it would create fear in the great majority and thats my concern.


the three days of darkness will not be caused by anything physical. otherwise you could just light a candle and the darkness would be gone. it's going to be a spiritual "darkness" but will be experienced differently by each individual so it doesn't necessarily have to be darkness if you don't have anything "dark" to process anymore. if what's coming creates fear in others that merely proves that they haven't yet reached the point where ascension is an option. that's nothing to be concerned about. everyone has his/her own path to go.

[Carolin]

This is the official public release of the full length PART 2 seminar by Alex Retrov and Krystal Alexander-Hille.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKkYZVEFs-c&feature=player_detailpage

[Cjay]

Hi Thanks Cjay. I've shown these pictures before on Avalon, but every time someone will say that it's just a lens flare. I will take that possibility into consideration. However, my question is why are so many different people with different cameras have the same shape of lens flare ?

Next time you should get out of the car and take the picture. You might be surprised what the digital camera will capture.

I would have taken a photo if I had a camera with me. My 3 year old mobile phone battery died, so I am presently using an old phone that does not have a camera.

According to NASA-JPL's orbit diagram/simulator program
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=c%2F2010+x1&orb=1
Elenin is further from the Sun right now than the orbit of Mercury and Elenin is still "below" the ecliptic. Elenin is definitely not close enough to be in the same photo as the Sun, unless you are taking a very wide-angle shot. If we are looking directly at the sun, the JPL diagram shows Elenin should be about 30 degrees to one side of the sun and NOT YET very close to the sun, when viewed from Earth. However, it should be moving closer to the sun each day, until September 27 when Elenin will be closest to alignment between Earth and the Sun (although this is only a 2-dimensional perspective) - Elenin will actually NOT be directly in line between the Earth and the Sun as Elenin will be moving ABOVE and away from the ecliptic after September 13.

Please remember that the exact direction to look for Elenin is changing constantly because the Earth is rotating as well as orbiting the Sun and Elenin is moving on its orbit around the Sun. Also, our perspective changes depending on where we are on Earth (for example, northern or southern hemisphere) and the time of day (due to the Earths rotation). If you don't think this makes much difference, try hanging upside down from a rope that is swinging and spinning then try to catch a ball that is thrown in your direction.

It would be very helpful if there was a program that allows you to enter your latitude, longtitude, date and time of day, then displays the relative positions of Elenin, the Sun and familiar stars or constellations - from your current viewing position. That would surely help to reduce our confusion. If anyone knows of such a program, please tell us where we can get it.

In the screen-capture image below, which shows TODAYs positions of the planets and Elenin, the Sun is in the centre of the picture, the Earth is at the bottom-middle and Elenin is approximately 30 degrees to the left of the line between the Earth and Sun. (Click image to enlarge)

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I took some photos today using a digital camera with a good lens and it confirmed my suspicions. We are seeing lens flares. I came to that conclusion because the mystery "object" changed positions, relataive to the Sun (as I described in my previous post, here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29614-Pics-of-Nibiru-Elenin-Elvis-next-to-the-Sun-&p=301217&viewfull=1#post301217)) when I took a series of photos with the Sun in slightly different positions in the photo. [The Sun appears in the photos to be much bigger than it really is because the light from the Sun massively overloads the camera's CCD image sensor. The diameter of the Sun is actually similar to the diameter of the red circles used to highlight the lens flares.] See photos below (click images to enlarge).

Lens flare circled on lower-right side of sun:

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17 minutes later: Lens flare circled on left side of sun:

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These types of lens flares are fairly predictable. If you draw a line from the centre of the Sun to the centre of the lens flare, that line will pass directly through the centre of the photograph - and the centre points of the Sun and lens flare will be equi-distant from the centre of the lens/photograph. If the centre of the Sun is further from the centre of the photograph, then the lens flare will also be further from the centre of the photograph.


Yiolas, I also had a closer look at your photos and I believe they are also showing lens flares. The position of the mystery "object" in your photos is not consistent in both of your photos - but the position is consistent with the above paragraph describing the location of the lens flare relative to the centre of the Sun and the centre of each photograph.

[kathymarie]

...thank you for posting the Alex Retrov video, part 2...I have been anxiously awaiting it although he was in error about so much in part 1 I'll watch this with an open mind.

[Hervé]

From: http://sydneystargazers.com/

Comet Elenin – 8th September (http://sydneystargazers.com/2011/09/08/comet-elenin-8th-september/)•September 8, 2011 •
Below is the latest image of comet elenin…….


http://sydneystargazers.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/elenin-8th-september.jpg?w=497&h=243 (http://sydneystargazers.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/elenin-8th-september.jpg)



Posted in Notes (http://sydneystargazers.com/category/notes/)

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

We do you make of this then?

World Peacemakers Call for 3-DAY Moratorium on All News 9/22-24 During Peace Festival to Stop the World for Elenin’s Approach

Snippet

Foulain, France is fast becoming a focal point for world peace as the organizers of Lothlorien Peace Festival 9/21-24 http://www.lothlorienfestival.com/, and the sponsors of the Know Thyself Initiative (KTI), with the many presenters at the festival unite in calling for a 3 Day Moratorium on All News September 22-24 to Stop the World for Global Meditation on Peace before comet Elenin’s alignment on the 26th. Encouragingly, many more of the world’s peacemakers, including the Council of World Elders and Tony Burroughs, are adding their names to the call because they see this as a unique opportunity to shift the mass consciousness from conflict and despair to cooperation and hope.

Full story (http://news.yahoo.com/world-peacemakers-call-3-day-moratorium-news-9-070955680.html)
http://news.yahoo.com/world-peacemakers-call-3-day-moratorium-news-9-070955680.html

[Hervé]

Not sure who the "we" nor "you" refer to but, IMO, what I make of that is what I make of these kind of things: http://www.salemctr.com/newage/snac13.html

... that is, I cannot make anything out of it except that the propaganda machine seems to be quite successful at gathering "resonating" individuals.

[greybeard]

The word resonating really turns me off--- it implies I must be right because this resonates with me.
Many millions have lost their lives because they followed a leader, a path that resonated, felt right to them.
Sorry of topic,
I like to cross check with as many "informed" sources as are available and if in doubt I wait for more information.
I tend to believe that Elenin is in the process of decay but I dont claim I know.
Chris

[Hervé]

The word resonating really turns me off--- it implies I must be right because this resonates with me.


:pound:




Many millions have lost their lives because they followed a leader, a path that resonated, felt right to them.
Sorry of topic,


:sad:




I like to cross check with as many "informed" sources as are available and if in doubt I wait for more information.
I tend to believe that Elenin is in the process of decay but I dont claim I know.
Chris

As far as I am concerned, the Sydneystargazers crew has provided enough evidence to demonstrate that comet Elenin is on its way out in every sense of the term.

Hence whatever effect it could have had is forever gone but the "gatherers" could therefore gloat with a "See? We did it! Nothing happened inspite of all the predictions." My guess anyway.

[Bill Ryan]

As far as I am concerned, the Sydneystargazers crew has provided enough evidence to demonstrate that comet Elenin is on its way out in every sense of the term.

Too right. Move on, folks -- the Elenin show is definitely over (thank goodness :) ).

Pretty soon we can also move on past the Calleman Mayan Calendar date (nothing will happen then, either!) and become more focused and rational on real issues.

IMO there are two such real issues for us all in the medium term future:







Global financial destabilization, and its potential political consequences -- probably in the next 12 months or sooner.
Serious solar activity that may threaten the power grid and global telecoms -- probably in 2013, but maybe not exactly predictable by anyone.

[Lisab]

My sentiments exactly. Thankyou

[HORIZONS]

Thanks Bill - it is good to get your input on things.

[TargeT]

Too right. Move on, folks -- the Elenin show is definitely over (thank goodness :) ).

Pretty soon we can also move on past the Calleman Mayan Calendar date (nothing will happen then, either!) and become more focused and rational on real issues.

IMO there are two such real issues for us all in the medium term future:







Global financial destabilization, and its potential political consequences -- probably in the next 12 months or sooner.
Serious solar activity that may threaten the power grid and global telecoms -- probably in 2013, but maybe not exactly predictable by anyone.




Either way, the dates that will offer the rest of us proof (and not a single point of reference) will be here soon... no need to move on, just watch the show; we are what.. 17 days from confirmation (either way?)

I feel comfortable leaving this as a "maybe" for 17 days.. its too "sweet" in many other areas for me to ignore anyway; though your probably correct (at least in that nothing will "happen")

[nearing]

Elenin, the comet, was always a nonissue but the Mayan Calendar is another thing altogether. If you don't agree, I'd say you missed Ian Lungold Xel's lectures.

When you have a run of 'coincidences', they are no longer coincidental but a pattern.

[greybeard]

Elenin, the comet, was always a nonissue but the Mayan Calendar is another thing altogether. If you don't agree, I'd say you missed Ian Lungold Xel's lectures.

When you have a run of 'coincidences', they are no longer coincidental but a pattern.
I would not put my hat on anything at the moment.
I will keep my head and accept that anything is possible.
Like Nearing says a pattern has emerged and is emerging.
Its true that something is always going on in the world and it is all to easy to join dots and come up with an explanation or theory that fits the increase in earth quakes and volcanic activity but I would not draw any conclusion as yet.

This article is swinging in the other direction ie Suggesting Elenin has survived against all odds.
I stick with I dont know.
If so called experts disagree what hope have I?

http://exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-109.htm

[Hervé]

[...]
If so called experts disagree what hope have I?

http://exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-109.htm

Chris, you, yourself, laid out the answer: "so-called" experts.

As with my above answer, you have the real data from real experts with:

http://sydneystargazers.com/

http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/sc.htm

... so that, when actual data are discarded or claimed to be non-existent; then there is something called denial and/or the furthering of an agenda/propaganda that has little to do with truth and/or 3D reality.

There's another possibility and that's called "confusion." In that case, the propaganda artists got a hit!

[Carolin]

The word resonating really turns me off--- it implies I must be right because this resonates with me.
Many millions have lost their lives because they followed a leader, a path that resonated, felt right to them.
Sorry of topic,
I like to cross check with as many "informed" sources as are available and if in doubt I wait for more information.
I tend to believe that Elenin is in the process of decay but I dont claim I know.
Chris

res·o·nate (rz-nt)
v. res·o·nat·ed, res·o·nat·ing, res·o·nates
v.intr.
1. To exhibit or produce resonance or resonant effects.
2. To evoke a feeling of shared emotion or belief: "It is a demonology [that] seems to resonate among secular and religious voters alike" (Tamar Jacoby).
3. To correspond closely or harmoniously: "Symbolism matters, especially if the symbols resonate with the larger message" (William Greider).
v.tr.
To cause to resound.

So we shouldn't believe or do what feels right? I personally won't believe or do what doesn't feel right. Many millions have lost their lives because of intolerance and fear of speaking out about what resonates with them!! I guess Project Avalon isn't for me.

[davyj0nes]

My understanding is that both Hoagland and Horak believe this to be an intelligently controlled comet, that is receiving a lot of negative press or "fear pr0n" in the media. The main difference is that Hoagland believes elenin to be a transmitter of hyper dimensional physics from the Atlantean civilization, and Horak believes this was our "Hello" and that elenin will do a 90degree turn and leave the solar system. So both believe it to be comet controlled by E.T.'s but I don't know if i'm ready to accept either line of thinking that its a transmitter or that it will just turn around and leave the way it came. So i guess i'm more with Horak that this was "hello world" but i think it will complete its circuit.

I don't know where this thinking came from that elenin is a neutron star, but that is utterly preposterous, laughable even. The gravity of a neutron star would rip this entire solar system apart.

Earth has a gravity of 1
the sun has a gravity 28 times greater than earth's
Neutron star has a gravity of 200,000,000,000 (two hundred billion) times greater than earth's

lol. utterly, lol.

[nearing]

My understanding is that both Hoagland and Horak believe this to be an intelligently controlled comet, that is receiving a lot of negative press or "fear pr0n" in the media. The main difference is that Hoagland believes elenin to be a transmitter of hyper dimensional physics from the Atlantean civilization, and Horak believes this was our "Hello" and that elenin will do a 90degree turn and leave the solar system. So both believe it to be comet controlled by E.T.'s but I don't know if i'm ready to accept either line of thinking that its a transmitter or that it will just turn around and leave the way it came. So i guess i'm more with Horak that this was "hello world" but i think it will complete its circuit.

I don't know where this thinking came from that elenin is a neutron star, but that is utterly preposterous, laughable even. The gravity of a neutron star would rip this entire solar system apart.

Earth has a gravity of 1
the sun has a gravity 28 times greater than earth's
Neutron star has a gravity of 200,000,000,000 (two hundred billion) times greater than earth's

lol. utterly, lol.

No one suggested elenin was a neutron star. Keith Hunter upthread (a page or 2) has a theory about a neutron star being the companion to our sun in a binary system. And it is well researched. Greybeard posted a video and I posted an email response.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

As we wait for the final verdict of the object following elenin, here is a fun little video and something to ponder:

80_MN76jYBE

[OnyxKnight]

A Neutron star 5 light years away would still fry our planet with gamma rays.

Thing is, in 5 light years radius, there is a triple star system, called Alpha Centauri, with well known ordinary main sequence stars. The farthest this Neutron star could be placed is 1.5 light years away from our (main) sun. That implies the radiation waves would be even more devastating.

This person obviously circumvents important astronomical facts.

[nearing]

A Neutron star 5 light years away would still fry our planet with gamma rays.

Thing is, in 5 light years radius, there is a triple star system, called Alpha Centauri, with well known ordinary main sequence stars. The farthest this Neutron star could be placed is 1.5 light years away from our (main) sun. That implies the radiation waves would be even more devastating.

This person obviously circumvents important astronomical facts.

OK, he is an easy person to contact and he responds quickly. Perhaps you could write him like I did and get some answers and report back to us. He does seem to have a firm grip on these matters, coming from me, a non-astronomer.

[OnyxKnight]

OK, he is an easy person to contact and he responds quickly. Perhaps you could write him like I did and get some answers and report back to us. He does seem to have a firm grip on these matters, coming from me, a non-astronomer.

Okay, that's a good idea. I will do that soon enough :).

[davyj0nes]

I don't know where this thinking came from that elenin is a neutron star, but that is utterly preposterous, laughable even. The gravity of a neutron star would rip this entire solar system apart.

Earth has a gravity of 1
the sun has a gravity 28 times greater than earth's
Neutron star has a gravity of 200,000,000,000 (two hundred billion) times greater than earth's

lol. utterly, lol.

No one suggested elenin was a neutron star. Keith Hunter upthread (a page or 2) has a theory about a neutron star being the companion to our sun in a binary system

My apologizes then, but still even if a neutron star was on the other side of the Oort cloud it would still be too close, and draw all the comets with its massive pull.

[The Truth Is In There]

Pretty soon we can also move on past the Calleman Mayan Calendar date (nothing will happen then, either!) and become more focused and rational on real issues.

IMO there are two such real issues for us all in the medium term future:







Global financial destabilization, and its potential political consequences -- probably in the next 12 months or sooner.
Serious solar activity that may threaten the power grid and global telecoms -- probably in 2013, but maybe not exactly predictable by anyone.



i, too, am convinced that, after the "end" of the mayan calendar (after the split), for people who are so focused on the "rational" and "scientific" everything WILL go on as before. some of them may wonder what happened to all the people who seem to have just disappeared but most will probably not even notice, what with all the earth changes, no internet and so on. the funny thing is, even that has been predicted.

[greybeard]

The word resonating really turns me off--- it implies I must be right because this resonates with me.
Many millions have lost their lives because they followed a leader, a path that resonated, felt right to them.
Sorry of topic,
I like to cross check with as many "informed" sources as are available and if in doubt I wait for more information.
I tend to believe that Elenin is in the process of decay but I dont claim I know.
Chris

res·o·nate (rz-nt)
v. res·o·nat·ed, res·o·nat·ing, res·o·nates
v.intr.
1. To exhibit or produce resonance or resonant effects.
2. To evoke a feeling of shared emotion or belief: "It is a demonology [that] seems to resonate among secular and religious voters alike" (Tamar Jacoby).
3. To correspond closely or harmoniously: "Symbolism matters, especially if the symbols resonate with the larger message" (William Greider).
v.tr.
To cause to resound.

So we shouldn't believe or do what feels right? I personally won't believe or do what doesn't feel right. Many millions have lost their lives because of intolerance and fear of speaking out about what resonates with them!! I guess Project Avalon isn't for me.

You seem to take it personally, its a general observation.

As an example we have had chaos here which lasted months because the words of Atticus resonated so strongly with some people, the exact opposite resonate with other people.
Both sides went with their feelings and it became very vitriolic.

Now, as then, I say wait and see.

The comet or remains of comet are not in a area where that can be observed at the moment as I understand it.

I have state that I suspect it is as you have said on the way out, breaking up.
I will be very happy if that is the case.

I do agree with Nearing---- Elenin is neither her nor there.
The prophesies of the indigenous people and others may prove to be so.

Fact
There is a galactic wave approaching us.
David Wilcok--- David Sereda and others of a scientific mind claim it has the potential to alter DNA.

It really is a question of being open minded and spiritual prepared for whatever may happen.

By spiritually prepared I mean -- Believe there is a loving Creator and that you are spirit having a human experience.
That remove fear of death,
Be kind to all including yourself.
That it, nothing complicated.

Chris

[truthseekerdan]

Hi folks, not sure if this video was posted here before, but interesting points are made from a biblical perspective.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY8LQ81xZBA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY8LQ81xZBA

Much love and wisdom

[nearing]

Hi folks, not sure if this video was posted here before, but interesting points are made from a biblical perspective.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY8LQ81xZBA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY8LQ81xZBA

Much love and wisdom

Dan, THAT was really interesting. Seems many ancient 'myths' have something to say about events coming this fall! Everyone seems to have there one variation on the theme of being ready within (accepting Christ, raising your vibration, being silent, etc). But it all leads to one thing: Ascension after or during a time of great strife.

Hold on to your hats!

[TargeT]

Hi folks, not sure if this video was posted here before, but interesting points are made from a biblical perspective.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY8LQ81xZBA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY8LQ81xZBA

Much love and wisdom
Even more reason to watch

Did you know the statue of liberty is symbolic of this event also? ( Isis!)

[yiolas]

Hi Guys, inspite of what is being said on the 'Death of Comet Elenin' thread I still believe that it is still live and well. Watch below this video put out by youtuber 'Envylife904', which shows Elenin being zapped by an explosion coming from Jupiter. Elenin turns a quick left (if infact it is Elenin) than continues on it way.

You can also go to the "SECCHI MOVIES" (http://secchi.nrl.navy.mil/js_secchi_day.html) site , plug in Telescope HI1 and observatory SECCHI-B . Your dates should include August 23, 2011 when this event happened. You will clearly see the same movie that Envy is showing in his youtub video.
Two things strange about this:
1. Why is an explosion coming from Jupiter ?
2. How is this comet making a quick left turn ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qm9ZmE_cxk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qm9ZmE_cxk

[Huma]

As far as I am concerned, the Sydneystargazers crew has provided enough evidence to demonstrate that comet Elenin is on its way out in every sense of the term.

Too right. Move on, folks -- the Elenin show is definitely over (thank goodness :) ).

Pretty soon we can also move on past the Calleman Mayan Calendar date (nothing will happen then, either!) and become more focused and rational on real issues.

IMO there are two such real issues for us all in the medium term future:







Global financial destabilization, and its potential political consequences -- probably in the next 12 months or sooner.
Serious solar activity that may threaten the power grid and global telecoms -- probably in 2013, but maybe not exactly predictable by anyone.



Glad to see you back bill :). I humbly submit that the ET/UFO/Dimensional (what have you) question is still immensely important, if not for the simple reason that it is connected with bills first issue listed. I would also include the corollary issue of new physics and energy. I think Brian O'leary was right to focus on the subject he did, it is something I myself have given a lot more thought to as of late.

[araucaria]

Hi folks, not sure if this video was posted here before, but interesting points are made from a biblical perspective.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY8LQ81xZBA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY8LQ81xZBA

Much love and wisdom

Thanks for the video.

We are cautious of yesterday's channelled material because we are aware that it is likely to some degree distorted. Revelation is channelled material from 2000 years ago embedded in a larger document (the Bible) which we know for a fact to be largely distorted. So the very premise of finding useful information in references to Revelation has to be pretty dubious from the outset - that at least is my take on this.

On one point of detail, when he says that 12 stars in Virgo's head points to Elenin (does this mean broken up?) is not, repeat not corroborated by, but incompatible with the assertion that there are 12 stars there all the time anyway.

[greybeard]

Hi folks, not sure if this video was posted here before, but interesting points are made from a biblical perspective.
Much love and wisdom

Thanks for the video.

We are cautious of yesterday's channelled material because we are aware that it is likely to some degree distorted. Revelation is channelled material from 2000 years ago embedded in a larger document (the Bible) which we know for a fact to be largely distorted. So the very premise of finding useful information in references to Revelation has to be pretty dubious from the outset - that at least is my take on this.

On one point of detail, when he says that 12 stars in Virgo's head points to Elenin (does this mean broken up?) is not, repeat not corroborated by, but incompatible with the assertion that there are 12 stars there all the time anyway.

Yes I agree regarding Revelations, the belief that it is channeled and your other comments.
The extreme fundamentalist Christian churches quote that chapter almost as the mainstay of their belief and that in itself is almost a give away as to the lack of validity of it. Just fear ridden propaganda.
Do what the church dogma says or you are hell bound.

Accepting that Dan is not projecting this-- quite the opposite.

All I can say is that I feel at peace and believe that very positive events will unfold over the course of tim

Chris

[truthseekerdan]

Thanks for the video.

We are cautious of yesterday's channelled material because we are aware that it is likely to some degree distorted. Revelation is channelled material from 2000 years ago embedded in a larger document (the Bible) which we know for a fact to be largely distorted. So the very premise of finding useful information in references to Revelation has to be pretty dubious from the outset - that at least is my take on this.

On one point of detail, when he says that 12 stars in Virgo's head points to Elenin (does this mean broken up?) is not, repeat not corroborated by, but incompatible with the assertion that there are 12 stars there all the time anyway.

You're welcome, araucaria.

Technically everything (all ideas, concepts, etc.) is channeling or channeled. That in itself does not mean it does not hold truth. What you just stated can be described as channeling also, because it's downloaded from a 'mindset consciousness'. Does it make it 'truth'? Well at least for you, my friend... :)

In this reality (3D), truth is relative to ones perception, because this is a 'playground' to learn and progress (evolve) spiritually. The only Truth is that one exists (as consciousness or spirit), and that is the product of what we call Unconditional Love.

[araucaria]

Yes, truthseekerdan, like a homing pigeon I am merely heading somewhere less uncomfortable and hopefully leading 'home' whatever that means.

And yes, I am channelling too. I even posted something to that effect in defence of Darla on a Channelling thread. I find it amusing to think that my intellect works better in early morning after muling things over when half asleep. So there is a channelled component, but contrary to self-styled channelers, I refuse to switch off my critical faculty.

[araucaria]

Thanks too to nearing for that other vid. In the olden days, Halley's comet used to rhyme with Sally. In recent years, however, the pronunciation has become become contaminated by Bill Haley and his Comets rocking around the clock till broad daylight - harmless enough indeed. And didn't it split in two as well in 1986?

[Hervé]

Hi Guys, inspite of what is being said on the 'Death of Comet Elenin' thread I still believe that it is still live and well. Watch below this video put out by youtuber 'Envylife904', which shows Elenin being zapped by an explosion coming from Jupiter. Elenin turns a quick left (if infact it is Elenin) than continues on it way.

[...]



yiolas, please, watch this video:

V0cqBwXNqn0

As for the sharp turn, Mercury does it all the time... Comet Elenin's orbit is almost parallel to this solar system's planet orbits. So that when you look from that orbital plane, planets either seem to make a sharp turn or go "retrograde" on their forward motion.

[truthseekerdan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKxfHWkMumI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKxfHWkMumI

[Hervé]

From: http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/sc.htm

LATEST IMAGES
http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/Images/2010x1_20110911_mm5.jpg
C/2010 X1 Elenin
2011 Sep 11.39UT
3x1 minute exposures. Canon 300D and 300mm telephoto lens cropped. Compare to Guide V8 chart.
Moonlight interference. Elevation of 8 degrees. Between powerlines.
Comet Elenin is fainter than magnitude 10.0. Galaxy NGC 5697 is faintly visible but comet is not.


What does it mean? Simply that compared to pictures from August, comet Elenin's coma has almost completely diasappeared in spite of being closer to the Sun (should have increased) and closer to the Earth (should have made it more visible from Earth based telescopes).

... is no more... it has ceased to be... :p

KO1T7b07I7E

[Mandala]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZkr03s36yM

[The Truth Is In There]

the bible predictions of revelation don't necessarily have to be channelled material. if it was a prophet then the one who saw this was in an altered state (/out of body) where time does not exist, thus he was able to see a possible future.

why did he see this particular point in the future?

because this point is a major node. if i'm right and november 9th is the moment when consciousness expands into infinity that means it will happen on all timelines simultaneously - a single point where all timelines converge and then split off again in different directions. that point is a beacon in the fabric of time and thus the eyes of all prophets were drawn to it, hence there exist so many predictions about this point in time.

BUT if you look hundreds or a few thousand years into the future and see things that don't exist in your current life you have to use other words to describe them, or you use metaphors that are common in your time. you may see things you have no concept of but have to use what's in your mind to make sense of it. i believe the prophet's intention was to describe what he saw as well as he could. this information could have been garbled later on (intentionally or not) but the gist of it is still there and the described planetary alignment is a FACT. the crown of 12 stars has nothing to do with elenin, btw.

[araucaria]

The extreme fundamentalist Christian churches quote that chapter almost as the mainstay of their belief and that in itself is almost a give away as to the lack of validity of it. Just fear ridden propaganda.
Do what the church dogma says or you are hell bound.

Accepting that Dan is not projecting this-- quite the opposite.



The other dangerous component in Revelations is of course prophecy – some people are back-engineering Armageddon with the Book of the Apocalypse as their blueprint. Others are trying to defuse that, notably pointing out that the word Apocalypse means Revelations, not Armageddon.

The Oedipus prophecy was only fulfilled because it was acted upon twice, with a misunderstanding each time: Laius mistakenly believing his son left for dead is actually dead, Oedipus mistakenly believing his adoptive father is his biological father. The point being that consulting oracles is not good for you – all would have been well had either refrained from consulting in the first place, or from trying to thwart the oracle in the second place.

Similarly, at the Vatican, the prophecies of Malachy regarding the succession of popes may be proving so accurate precisely because cardinals in conclave have been using them to screen candidates. If so, this would mean they are happy with Malachy’s idea that the next pope is going to be the last – part of the apocalypse scenario, no doubt. They should beware. It probably just means people have had enough of organized religion.

The whole great thing about the present moment is that all bets are off as to what the future may hold. There is effectively no future, just the present moment – which is not to say we have ‘no future’ in the colloquial sense, on the contrary.

[greybeard]

You pay your penny you make your choice.

An enlightened mystic of our day says that the the chapter revelations was channeled from the lower astral and that Armageddon will happen there not here, also that we are about to see the world totally diferently through a change in perception. He is still alive and the information is first hand.
Cd 1 The Highest level of Enlightenment Dr David Hawkins.

Eckhart Tolle in the book "A new Earth" speaks of new energy coming in.
As does David Sereda and David Wilcock.

Eckhart also spoke in London at a seminar, that I was at, on the subject of human evolution, saying that mankind is on the verge of the biggest step forward in evolution since we left the sea and became mammals--- that is big

I quote chapter and verse because Bill likes some verifiable data and he is right.

I would rather believe information coming first hand from the enlightened ones present here and now than the doctored information of thousands of yeas ago.
That was translate and re translated and from a different culture.
It seems a mystic in his own time and own land is not listened to with the same awe and wonder as a prophet from thousands of years ago.
The state of enlightenment is timeless, every single enlightened person will say the same truth only slightly modified by culture and era.
It is not channeled but known within the state of enlightenment.

This may seem off topic but it is in the essence of the search for truth related to the main topic and it is positive.

Chris

[araucaria]

The state of enlightenment is timeless, every single enlightened person will say the same truth only slightly modified by culture and era.
It is not channeled but known within the state of enlightenment.

This may seem off topic but it is in the essence of the search for truth related to the main topic and it is positive.

Chris

Thanks Chris. This is indeed the only topic. Tout le reste est littérature.

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

Amzer Zo Hi

Could you please pinpoint Venus & Saturn on you map.

For some unknown reason I'm not getting my star charts to line up with yours.

[Hervé]

Amzer Zo Hi

Could you please pinpoint Venus & Saturn on you map.

For some unknown reason I'm not getting my star charts to line up with yours.

Hi Bryn, I am not sure which map you are refering to but if it's the one from http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/sc.htm , then there seems to be a typo in one of the referenced galaxy name; either NGC 4697 or NGC 5697. From one of those, your sky should align at the right zoom.

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

Amzer Zo Hi

Could you please pinpoint Venus & Saturn on you map.

For some unknown reason I'm not getting my star charts to line up with yours.

Hi Bryn, I am not sure which map you are refering to but if it's the one from http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/sc.htm , then there seems to be a typo in one of the referenced galaxy name; either NGC 4697 or NGC 5697. From one of those, your sky should align at the right zoom.

Hi, thank you for the reply.

I did notice that NGC 5697 was either a typo or a red herring. I find it strange that it could be a typo.

The map I'm referring to is NGC 4697. At first it seems fine, but when drawn side by side with other maps all is not well. None of the star alignments match.
A quick background check on Michael Mattiazzo reveals that all the info about the break up of comet Elenin originates with him [sic]

Conclusion.
All of the reports complete with images suggests that the break up of comet Elenin is dis-information. In this area of the sky at least.

If this does prove to be the case, then questions need to be asked about the integrity of people promoting such dis-info.

[yiolas]

Hi Guys, inspite of what is being said on the 'Death of Comet Elenin' thread I still believe that it is still live and well. Watch below this video put out by youtuber 'Envylife904', which shows Elenin being zapped by an explosion coming from Jupiter. Elenin turns a quick left (if infact it is Elenin) than continues on it way.

[...]



yiolas, please, watch this video:

V0cqBwXNqn0

As for the sharp turn, Mercury does it all the time... Comet Elenin's orbit is almost parallel to this solar system's planet orbits. So that when you look from that orbital plane, planets either seem to make a sharp turn or go "retrograde" on their forward motion.

Hey Amzer, Sorry for the late reply.

I watched the video and yes it does explain the various artifacts that we see on the sun videos from time to time. My question is what does the fact that we see an intact Elenin speeding along her merry way, with the other things on your video such as the transparent bubble object coming from the apparent flash originating from Jupiter.

My whole point was to show that Elenin had not disintegrated.

[Hervé]

[...]
My whole point was to show that Elenin had not disintegrated.
What you see on the Stereo B movie is the coma of Elenin, not the core/nucleus.

For evidence of Elenin's core/nucleus disintegration/desaggregation, I refer you to these sites:

http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/

http://sydneystargazers.com/

http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/sc.htm

http://astrobob.areavoices.com/2011/09/11/comet-elenin-going-going-gone-harvest-moon-tonight/

http://www.global-rent-a-scope.com/gras-monthly-heads-up/?currentPage=2


@ Bryn:

Not all the info on Elenin's break up gets back to Michael Mattiazzo. His pictures are corroborated by pictures from others like Rob Kaufman and Ian Musgrave.

As far as I am concerned, I have better trust in amateur astronomers' observations than in disinfo artists who are using comet Elenin as a repeat of the Hale-Bopp scenario/template.

[13th Warrior]

For evidence of Elenin's core/nucleus disintegration/desaggregation, I refer you to these sites:

http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/

http://sydneystargazers.com/

http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/sc.htm

http://astrobob.areavoices.com/2011/09/11/comet-elenin-going-going-gone-harvest-moon-tonight/

http://www.global-rent-a-scope.com/gras-monthly-heads-up/?currentPage=2


i looked at the 5 links you provided and every one has referenced Michael Mattiazzo...

[TargeT]

i looked at the 5 links you provided and every one has referenced Michael Mattiazzo...

I've also been unhappy with the amount of "information diversity" on this topic.. and as such am pretty open to any scenario right now..

[Hervé]

[...]

i looked at the 5 links you provided and every one has referenced Michael Mattiazzo...

They do make reference to him and his pictures, they also reference other people AND their pictures.

[Darla Ken Pearce]

Wow. This completely contradicts most of our own Captain Bill's comments about Elenin. When people speak of absolutes they usually end up eating them or disowning them at some point in time or out of it. Thanks for posting it. You should post a link to this video on the Elenin thread where most others are hanging out. Again, thanks for posting it. Great food for thought.

Incidentally, we should remain open to new ideas even if we cannot always see what's coming from our 3D perspective ~ it doesn't mean other alternatives are not possible or even probable. Humans are very limited due to their old belief systems and barriers put up against new ideas and potentialities. We need to go beyond our own limitations. It's the real quest of life on Earth in these latter days. Absolute thoughts absolutely limit us. xoxox

[applejax]

just curious, has anyone checked out the moon lately? lots of chemtrails are trying to cover it up. my brother also gave this link to me:

kJMbjtk5GFc
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wondering if you guys heard of this person? thanks

[The Truth Is In There]

please check out the following video clip.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNKfujmaadk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNKfujmaadk

the pics in the video were taken in nürnberg, germany, on sep 11th and 12th. for those who don't speak german, the description says that nibiru is the small white dot to the left of the sun. the red tinged spot is a lens flare. you see how its position moves depending on the position of the camera but the small white dot always stays in the same position to the left of the sun so it can't be a lens flare. i'm not an expert but to me that looks pretty convincing, no matter if it's nibiru or elenin or another object.

[princesslovercup]

Wow. 64 pages to read. Don't have much time. Can anyone tell me quick, or give a link to richard hoagland and what he's saying?

[Observer11]

Hey guys, did you hear about this yet? Pretty interesting.. Obama and nearly all of NASA’s top officials and scientists will be in their bunkers under the denver airport on Sept 27 for a "DEFCON 1 “Cocked Pistol” maximum readiness alert drill".. This lines up pretty closely to that proposed earth elenin, sun alignment date.. Even though they say its "no more" check it out.. http://www.eutimes.net/2011/09/obama-ordered-to-denver-bunker-by-us-military/

[nearing]

Hey guys, did you hear about this yet? Pretty interesting.. Obama and nearly all of NASA’s top officials and scientists will be in their bunkers under the denver airport on Sept 27 for a "DEFCON 1 “Cocked Pistol” maximum readiness alert drill".. This lines up pretty closely to that proposed earth elenin, sun alignment date.. Even though they say its "no more" check it out.. http://www.eutimes.net/2011/09/obama-ordered-to-denver-bunker-by-us-military/

Yep, no coincidences as far as I am concerned.

[Observer11]

Thanks for posting this.. i think it further confirms this as disinfo of the comet breaking up..

[TargeT]

Hey guys, did you hear about this yet? Pretty interesting.. Obama and nearly all of NASA’s top officials and scientists will be in their bunkers under the denver airport on Sept 27 for a "DEFCON 1 “Cocked Pistol” maximum readiness alert drill".. This lines up pretty closely to that proposed earth elenin, sun alignment date.. Even though they say its "no more" check it out.. http://www.eutimes.net/2011/09/obama-ordered-to-denver-bunker-by-us-military/

Yep, no coincidences as far as I am concerned.

my belief as well, this is why, despite all the seeming evidience dismissing this event, I still cannot ignore it.

[Hervé]

Then it will be proof that anything happening around Sept. 26-30 belongs to False Flag category. For Elenin has truly become an EX-comet and cannot even be used as a decoy anymore:


Further signs that Elenin Broke Up (http://sydneystargazers.com/2011/09/12/further-signs-that-elenin-broke-up/)•September 12, 2011 • Michael Mattiazzo took a picture of comet elenin yesterday which we looked at today. The picture shows further proof that comet Elenin has broken up into pieces as a result of the effect of the sun’s gravity and heat on it.
Comet Elenin should almost be a 6th magnitude comet at this stage, meaning that it should be almost visible to the naked eye. Instead however, Elenin is now reported to be a 10th magnitude comet which is now a faint smudge in the sky using telescopes.
Radio astronomers have also reported that the radio signals they bounced off the comet show that elenin has no water which indicates a comet breakup.
We processed the picture taken by Michael Mattiazzo to remove some of the background noise but as you can see there is very little left of comet elenin. The comet is in the lower center of the picture. We expect that there will be nothing to see of the comet after the next week or two.
http://sydneystargazers.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/elenin-12th-sept.jpg?w=284&h=360 (http://sydneystargazers.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/elenin-12th-sept.jpg)

Posted in Notes (http://sydneystargazers.com/category/notes/)
From: http://sydneystargazers.com/






LATEST IMAGES
http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/Images/2010x1_20110914_mm2b.jpg
C/2010 X1 Elenin
2011 Sep 14.39UT
3x1 minute exposures. Canon 300D and 300mm telephoto lens cropped. Compare to Guide V8 chart.
Prior to moonrise. Elevation of 7 degrees. Between powerlines.
Comet Elenin is fainter than magnitude 10.5. Galaxy NGC 4697 (mag 10.1) is visible but comet is not.
From: http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/sc.htm




Thursday, September 15, 2011
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Comet Elenin Fades Even More

The latest image of Elenin (http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/sc.htm) from Michael Mattiazzo (Sept 14th, taken under difficult circumstances0, show a much reduced comet which has faded to magnitude 10 or so. It is doubtful that it will be bright enough to see in the SOHO LASCO cameras. We will probably have to wait until October for powerful Earth-based telescopes to try and find if any of the comet survives.

UPDATE: Comet Al reports that Elenin is still visible in the STEREO HI1A imager, see his animation in Flickr (http://flic.kr/p/anic1K). He estimates the comet is around magnitude 11 or so, pretty much agreeing with Michael's earth-bound estimates.
Labels: comets (http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/search/label/comets) # (http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/2011/09/comet-elenin-fades-even-more.html) posted by Ian Musgrave @ 12:31 AM
From: http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/

[verach]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UtEO0J3nRs&feature=share
Here is an interesting video. Obviously no lens flare... But what is it... Seems like the images from Germany - which means that this object is definitely seen from the Northern hemisphere.

[nearing]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UtEO0J3nRs&feature=share
Here is an interesting video. Obviously no lens flare... But what is it... Seems like the images from Germany - which means that this object is definitely seen from the Northern hemisphere.

Thanks for posting!

No doubt, there is something there. Not a lens flare as it does not move with camera.
I was frustrated that he didn't try using his hand or another object to try to cover the Sun orb so he could try to isolate the object.

We all should be able to see that now. Time to get your cameras out, people!

[yiolas]

I always get a kick out of this guy's sense of humor. In addition he also brings up something noteworthy in that we should be on the lookout if Obama takes his children with him on his west coast tour end of September, as well as during his visit to Denver on the 27th.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzvsK0QYDHo&feature=feedu

[Mark]

i'm reminded of the of the blue star kachina prophecy, in that it will unmask itself suddenly and without warning. if something happened to make people think ELEnin was defunct and suddenly it lit up that could fit. this is a possibility. and what is this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lw0Y-mH_W9M&feature=related

The newscaster said that reports say it was flying horizontally as well. Interesting.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buTV-90jECo

[aranuk]

deleted my post as I didn't realize there were so many posts. I was commenting on an earlier post

Silly me
:o

[aranuk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UtEO0J3nRs&feature=share
Here is an interesting video. Obviously no lens flare... But what is it... Seems like the images from Germany - which means that this object is definitely seen from the Northern hemisphere.

Found the post here! Absolutely clear orb on left of sun no doubt about it. Excellent photography from an amateur too. It was taken in Wales not germany.

Stan

[Hervé]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UtEO0J3nRs&feature=share
Here is an interesting video. Obviously no lens flare... But what is it... Seems like the images from Germany - which means that this object is definitely seen from the Northern hemisphere.

That's a good one!

I didn't know we could see a full Venus (as compared to full Moons) in broad daylight, but apparently it fits the planets positions for the date:


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From the comments on YouTube:


Uploader Comments (illdivvies47 (http://www.youtube.com/user/illdivvies47))

I really think that is Venus judging from the position.
virgojeep1 (http://www.youtube.com/user/virgojeep1) 1 hour ago

@virgojeep1 (http://www.youtube.com/comment_search?username=virgojeep1) you may be right-though Ive never seen it before-and I never knew you were able to see it in daytime hours- i have loads of filters and a better camera which Ill use on the next clear day.
illdivvies47 (http://www.youtube.com/user/illdivvies47) 52 minutes ago

[Operator]

That's a good one!

I didn't know we could see a full Venus (as compared to full Moons) in broad daylight, but apparently it fits the planets positions for the date:


I had the same feeling to check for a planet from our own solar system ... those are the objects that could be found near the sun
when the alignments are as shown in your picture.

The only thing I'm not so sure about is if planets would be bright enough to see during the daytime. Stars e.g. are far too faint
to see. I am still puzzled why people are so thrilled to see, and expect, another object close to the sun and then scream Nibiru !

[verach]

I am no specialist but the way I see it: Venus is farther away from the Sun than Elenin - which seems closer... So my guess is this "object" is Elenin... And it's not that I am "so thrilled to see, and expect, another object close to the sun and then scream Nibiru". But it's been so long that we are watching the skies and expecting to see something - and were getting mostly lens flares - that at least this time I was happy the video was not fake. Otherwise, I don't know who will come nearby Earth - Elenin, Nibiru, the Blue Kachina, the Red Kachina, Levy Honda, NY55 or something else. I am just so fed up with this materialistic and unjust world that I hope and pray we might get some change - one way or another - and I have the feeling one of all these celestial objects might be the cause for it. Hopefully - a good change and a transformation of all humanity!

[Hervé]

The only thing I'm not so sure about is if planets would be bright enough to see during the daytime. Stars e.g. are far too faint to see. [...]

That's what surprised me.

It might be a peculiarity of our modern digital camera which can pick these things up whereas the human eyes are totally blinded. Carmody mentioned something to that effect on a thread which I don't remember the title but talking about lens flares.


I am still puzzled why people are so thrilled to see, and expect, another object close to the sun and then scream Nibiru !

Got to get this viewing counter going... :wof:

[Hervé]

I am no specialist but the way I see it: Venus is farther away from the Sun than Elenin - which seems closer... So my guess is this "object" is Elenin... [...]

Venus in that position is fully reflecting the Sun's light whereas Elenin is blocking/masking the Sun's light.

Then there is the matter of size... a pinhead vs the Moon.

[norman]

That thing is MASSIVE and it's real.

I've been knocking people's lens flair efforts on this forum until I'm sick of it but this isn't lens flair.

If it was the moon it would look bigger.

If it was one of the planets we know about it would be smaller.

It doesn't look like a planet to me. It looks like a radiant object.

[nearing]

mountain jim just posted an interesting post on the Death thread, Id like to bring it here as this is the original Elenin thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30075-The-death-of-Comet-Elenin-a-return-to-rationality&p=310366&viewfull=1#post310366
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Well don't shoot the messenger but I thought this was interesting. Amazing how much interest/info/disinfo this little Elenin has sparked.

http://thechaniproject.com/forum/ind...pic,830.0.html

the poster at chani, has several posts which are copied from the thread he links to at GLP. Since I abhor GLP, have not gone to that thread to watch the original poster(s) / debunkers free-for-all there. Just thought this was a new idea/take on the Elenin info stream.

Guess that means I still have not returned to rationality, assuming I was ever there.

I think I am going to join Chani, as the sci-fi imaginative idea level is high there it seems, even if the truth level remains to be ascertained.

Comet Elenin Scientific Evidence of mass 20 times greater than Earth
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http://www.godlikeproductions.com/fo...age1640482/pg1

This is the BEST publicly available data and scientific analysis, which shows that Comet Elenin has a mass 10 to 20 times larger than Earth.

The following report is offered as a public service, and contains ONLY information that is publicly available. I have no access to classified information, and am not sworn to any secrecy oaths. I have spent (wasted?) years worrying my ass off over this subject, and as a service to my fellow human beings, I'm giving you my best, and most credible, research results. My calculations show that the "comet" is very massive, but will not come CLOSE enough to Earth to cause global devastation (well, not by water, anyway!) This report includes enough data for you to calculate the "comet" mass yourself, so you don't need to trust me, or anybody else! I'm not being paid by anybody to do this, so I'm donating months of my time and research for the common good.

Millions of people are VERY worried about this "comet", and that is permitting the filthy bankers all the time they need to set us up for WWIII. Hopefully, with this new information on "comet" Elenin, we can finally set aside our main fears, and get on with the task of removing the corrupt parasites who are killing us, and our planet.

Gravitational Microlensing shown on Nasa videos

"Comet" Elenin has enough mass to cause "gravitational microlensing", as shown in the Nasa Stereo Behind videos from August 1, and August 20, 2011.

Gravitational microlensing, is the temporary brightening of a background star, as the "comet" passes directly in front of the star. That brightening is CLEARLY shown in both the Nasa Stereo Behind videos, and was witnessed by two amateur astronomers. If you watch the August 20th video, you will see the background star "glom" onto Elenin, get much brighter, and smear out into a 90 degree arc (also, the brightest frame was deleted before public release.) The overall brightness of the two, superimposed, is MUCH brighter than each of them separately. It is better to download the large jpegs directly from Nasa here [link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov] To download the jpegs, select telescope=>HI1, resolution=1024x1024, start date=20110820, end date=leave blank, click "search". Then, click "download all Behind HI1". You will have to step through each jpeg, or assemble them into a video, to see the brightening of the background star.

Or, if you don't want to download the high res jpegs, you can watch this youtube in full screen mode. The brightening happens on August 20, which is the only time it passes over a distinct star. [link to www.youtube.com]

Nasa has a short animation explaining "gravitational microlensing", and it shows how they use it to discover large, dark planets. Please watch this short video, to understand the importance of the Nasa and YouTube videos. Note that this technique works better when the dark object is far away, but it still works even with super-close "comet" Elenin, which indicates a large mass.

video title: NASA - Lone Planet Under a Cosmic Magnifying Glass [link to www.nasa.gov]

The brightening effect is also clearly shown in the Nasa August 1 video here [link to spaceobs.org] Right click the GIF, save it, and re-open it in your browser, or a graphics program, then play it with 8X magnification. You can easily see the background star "glom" onto Elenin, form an arc, and get much brighter. It gets so much brighter, that the detector saturates, and goes to solid white. This increase is absolute proof of the high mass of the front lensing object.

The fact that the background star was not dimmed by the coma of the "comet", but instead, was made brighter as Elenin passed in front of it, is PROOF that Elenin is NOT A COMET! It is also proof of the large mass of Elenin. No more discussion or speculation is needed on those topics, unless the Nasa videos can be proven to be faulty.

It is amazing to me, that no one has mentioned this lensing effect. "Real" astronomers spotted it immediately, but are keeping mum about it. Probably many of them have already done the calculations, as shown, below.

The gravitational microlensing effect happens quickly and disappears quickly if the massive object is moving in front of a distant star. Spirals and bright "C" shapes are commonly seen in gravitational microlensing. The arcs of light are known as "Einstein Rings". Comet Elenin is now moving rapidly over the background stars, so the Einstein rings would appear for only a minute, just as witnessed, below. Without a large aperture telescope, and a fast exposure, the rings cannot be imaged. Instead, with a small telescope, and long exposure, the rings will show up, as described in the video (below), looking like the spindle spacer of a 45 rpm record.
and next post followed from same poster at Chani forum - anomallie

Nasa has made 2200 observations of Comet Elenin, and has published NONE of the still images! Probably, many of their images show gravitational microlensing, so they CANNOT show their own images, without disclosing the large mass of the object.

Amateur astronomers have also witnessed the gravitational lensing effect, such as youtuber "ThePerfectMinds" (Francis Walsh), and CRU4T, formerly a member of the Terral Croft group.

Francis Walsh witnessed "a spiral" around Comet Elenin on June 30, using the robotic telescopes in Mayhill, New Mexico (Global Rent a Scope).

Here is the youtube where Francis Walsh discusses seeing the "Einstein ring" spiral - fast forward to 4:11, and also to 17:45. (He is NOT an astronomer! He had NO IDEA of what he was seeing!!!)

video title: Comet Elenin Report 20110630 by Nibiru Tracker 2012 "I Saw a Spiral" C/2010 X1 "contour" view [link to www.youtube.com]


Red Fireball and moons seen in telescope

Here is another youtube where Francis shows what Comet Elenin looks like with a red filter. It is HUGE, red, and angry looking. But, with blue or green filters, it looks small and dim. The ancient warnings (Kolbrin, etc) say the planet killer is a fiery red color.

Fast forward to 9:13. When he sees the giant red blob of Elenin, he panics and suddenly pulls his camera down, muttering something about having to clean the lens! It makes you wonder if he was told to NOT show a giant red blob. Francis is probably a gate-keeper, as he NEVER gives the coordinates, so no one else can verify his observations. Most likely he is being paid to be the go-to guy for real time images for the sheeple - a classic gate-keeping operation. He knows literally nothing about astronomy, so why he is so deep into it, is a real mystery.

video title: NEW! Latest Comet Elenin image enhancement inspection "33" of 20110722 [link to www.youtube.com]

In the same video, at 17:30, he captured what looks like FOUR MOONS orbiting the central body: [link to www.youtube.com]

New images from Australia show a sudden brightening, just look at the August 29 series. You'll see a sudden bright blob, even though the coma stays the same: [link to members.westnet.com.au]

Here is a video being pushed by Leonid Elenin (CIA disinfo guy), showing the "comet" traveling BETWEEN stars, not over them. Obviously, there is NO lensing effect, unless the "comet" moves directly in front of a star. [link to www.youtube.com]

Various astronomers are saying the "comet" is disintegrating, mostly based on it's suddenly getting brighter, then darker, as they assume the ball of ice is vaporizing into ice crystals. However, the author thinks the lensing effect may explain the brightening, and darkening. The lack of an appreciable coma is consistent with a high gravity object.

All the talk about Comet Elenin turning and breaking up is just "ignant". The shockwave that supposedly hit the "comet" was just a lens flare (internal lens reflection) caused by the brightness of Jupiter, to the right. The slowing and turning of Elenin is caused by it rotating directly away from the Stereo B satellite, due to it's natural orbit. Sorry, but no breakup, and no intelligent "control" there. I wish it was...


"Comet" mass calculation

Now, the big question is, WHAT IS THE MASS (and what will it do to Earth at the expected distance)? By measuring the apparent angular size of the brightening area around the "comet", compared to its normal size, the mass of the gravity lens can be calculated.

Then, after the mass is known, by doing a simple (mass/radius squared) comparison with Earth's Moon, we can calculate how high the ocean tides will be. That will tell us how many BILLIONS of people could die when this thing gets close to earth, and what the safe elevation MIGHT be.

Both calculations are easy to do for an astrophysicist, but ONLY if the exact angular sizes are available. Since we only have some crappy video frames to go by, the following mass calculation is only A ROUGH ESTIMATE!
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[Hervé]

As far as I know, there's been no words on Stereo B needing a repositioning after comet Elenin got so close to it.

[Hervé]

That thing is MASSIVE and it's real.

I've been knocking people's lens flair efforts on this forum until I'm sick of it but this isn't lens flair.

If it was the moon it would look bigger.

If it was one of the planets we know about it would be smaller.

It doesn't look like a planet to me. It looks like a radiant object.

A more recent video:

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And comments:



@getparanoia (http://www.youtube.com/comment_search?username=getparanoia) I agree.... saw Venus this morning and it looked to be the same size and bright to the naked eye
VoteLib3rty (http://www.youtube.com/user/VoteLib3rty) 1 day ago

Thank you for your efforts and please don't be discouraged.
WraithTX (http://www.youtube.com/user/WraithTX) 1 day ago

@getparanoia (http://www.youtube.com/comment_search?username=getparanoia)
100% Venus. Don't get me wrong I am by no means a debunker but it is Venus you can verify that its right were it is supposed to be by checking NASA JPL
you can also see it on soho clear as day and watch its orbit
WraithTX (http://www.youtube.com/user/WraithTX) 1 day ago

or maybe not^^
getparanoia (http://www.youtube.com/user/getparanoia) 1 day ago

i checked it on stellarium,its just Venus
getparanoia (http://www.youtube.com/user/getparanoia) 1 day ago


Could be a good idea to take a video at sunrise/set to see it better.

And if indeed it is Venus, then pictures of it could be taken from anywhere

[bennycog]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UtEO0J3nRs&feature=share
Here is an interesting video. Obviously no lens flare... But what is it... Seems like the images from Germany - which means that this object is definitely seen from the Northern hemisphere.

Thanks for posting!

No doubt, there is something there. Not a lens flare as it does not move with camera.
I was frustrated that he didn't try using his hand or another object to try to cover the Sun orb so he could try to isolate the object.

We all should be able to see that now. Time to get your cameras out, people!

you will notice that a little further to the left is another more dull circle of light.. interesting..

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hey nearing i cant get your youtube links to work in your last post either.. :)

[bennycog]

i see you have to go through glp then an ad or two before you can even get to the you tube vid..
here is the vids direct in order .... for those curious..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VIWNekuXcA
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/universe/features/planet20110518-video.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyKQReJAaXg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJhhkyiliH8#
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkHT2P2Qsxw&feature=player_embedded

[jcocks]

just curious, has anyone checked out the moon lately? lots of chemtrails are trying to cover it up. my brother also gave this link to me:

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wondering if you guys heard of this person? thanks

Yes. We've been lucky enough to have an unobstructed view of the moon of late. For about the last year, it was really bright in the sky, bright white. i have no idea whatsoever why.... But it seems to have "dimmed" in the last few days, and is now very yellow in colour.

I'm not jumping to conclusions though.... But I did find it unusual.

[Snowbird]

Goodness nearing, that chaniproject site is quite the read! It is also spreading some really severe fear that may be totally unfounded and baseless. Although, the calculations are quite impressive. It's a very interesting thread.

One thing that I found on that thread is a bit of gossip and I just can't help myself here....

I find it really interesting that both President Bill Clinton's mother and President Barack Obama's mother died of breast cancer.....or did they? These were the candidates from Hope and of hope.

The Rockefeller/Bush crime syndicate planned to be in South America by now, but they are being stopped from leaving by the white hats in the US military. Top scumbag, David Rockefeller took his entire progeny (four generations!) to northern India last year, upwind of Fukushima, and no one has seen him since. Yes, even Bill Clinton is really a Rockefeller, as Winthrop Rockefeller (governor of Arkansas) was his biological father. So, The USA has been run by the Rockefeller/Bush crime syndicate since 1963 (daddy Bush killed JFK, baby Bush killed JFK jr).

On this chani project site they list what they consider the Danger Watch Dates. On this same thread, a poster linked Alfred Webre's newest update video interview with Tolec, the human representative to the Andromeda Council. I am linking parts 1 and 2 below for those interested. Tolec, according to the Andromeda Council, has an entirely different view of Elenin than does the chani project. Although the cosmic calculations on the chani project may well be accurate, they may well be measuring the brown dwarf Tekoma and not Elenin and their outlook for our future is decidedly the opposite IMO. And, wait until you hear what Tolec has to say about Nibiru. Wow!

Danger Watch Dates:

September 26th - 27th - 28th - 29th
NSV ELEnin passes between Sun and Earth in alignment watch out for anticipated Geological Pole Shift Event.

October 17th -18th -19 - 20th
Neutron Star ELEnin at Earth orbit and nearest position. 0.232 AU from Earth @ 21.57 million miles.

November 3rd - 4th - 5th - 6th - 7th
Earth passes through the tail area of Neutron Star ELEnin. Anticipated fireballs and meteor impacts.

November 22nd - 23rd - 24th - 25th
Neutron Star ELEnin, Earth and Sun alignment for possible Pole Shift Reversal Event. Third Alignment 0.58 AU from Earth.

http://thechaniproject.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=775bbfbcf3057bdaca5b2cc5a73172a5&topic=830.0

Below is just a portion of the Webre/Tolec interview. There will be massive changes, but these are in preparation for the New Earth Eden. From this Tolec/Andromeda Council source and several other off-world sources of information that I have access to, we are absolutely positively surrounded by and supported by benevolence, unconditional loving kindness and people from other parts of our solar system who are cheering us on and very excited for the progress that we are making. We don't hear about this or read about this unless and until we go outside of the box for this info. It's there waiting to give us what we need to get where we are headed.

Part II - Andromeda Council: Updates on Comet Elenin, brown dwarf, Nibiru, earth changes & 4 D Earth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S5XL3RVoYY&feature=youtu.be

Andromeda Council Update on Elenin, brown dwarf, Nibiru, earth changes, 4D Earth
Alfred Lambremont Webre, Seattle Exopolitics Examiner
September 11, 2011

WATCH PART I

http://youtu.be/fGeXb1gfTbE

WATCH PART II

http://youtu.be/7S5XL3RVoYY



Comet Elenin and a celestial body upgrade of our solar system

In his ExopoliticsTV interview, the Andromeda Council representative (Tolec) discusses the role of Comet Elenin and a succession of three important celestial bodies that are following Comet Elenin in a form of intelligently-designed convoy.

Tolec states that, according to the Andromeda Council, the function of this celestial body upgrade is a part of the evolution of our solar system from a 3rd dimension to a 4th dimension solar system and will include Earth and our human civilization in this transformation by dimensional shift.

FAQ: Celestial body upgrade of our solar system

Tolec discusses key aspects of this celestial body upgrade of our solar system. A written summary of these reported coming upgrades, according to the Andromeda Council, is below.

For an extended discussion of each of the items in this FAQ, including important material not included in this article, please listen to Parts I and II of the ExopoliticsTV interview (above).

FAQ: ELENIN, TEKOMA and NIBIRU

The Facts about each of these Celestial Bodies

www.andromedacouncil.com

1.) “What is – Elenin?

ANSWER: “It is a natural celestial body, a small comet, but made up of more rock than ice and gas. It literally ‘clears the way’ for the arrival of Tekoma (Tay koe-mah), a brown dwarf about the size of Uranus, trailing behind it. Elenin with its elliptical orbit will come into Earth’s solar system, in a manner of speaking deposit Tekoma, and then leave.”

2.) “Many people on Earth are aware of a pyramid shape that now seems to be located in place of, or covering Elenin. What is this about?”

ANSWER: “We are aware of technology, a monitoring device if you will, that is projecting a pyramid shaped force field over the general area of comet Elenin. It seems only when a problem would occur in space would this device be activated such as it was. It seems this technology is also keeping Elenin and Tekoma on course to minimize possible disruptions by Tekoma to Earth’s solar system.”

3.) “Then why is Elenin coming toward Earth’s solar system?”

ANSWER: “Elenin is simply clearing the way for Tekoma.”

4.) “Will the arrival of Elenin itself directly cause any disruptions or Earth changes?”

ANSWER: “no.”

5.) “Then what is Tekoma?”

ANSWER: “It is a brown dwarf about the size of the planet Uranus. It should arrive in Earth’s solar system approximately this coming mid-October 2011; and is expected to settle into this solar system as a new, albeit smaller, not quite as bright - second sun. It is expected to settle in place between Venus & Earth but much closer to Venus, than to Earth.”

http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-seattle/andromeda-council-update-on-elenin-brown-dwarf-nibiru-earth-changes-4d-earth


Andromeda Council - Reaching Out With Help Across The Heavens (list of members)

http://www.andromedacouncil.com/about.html

Leading up to this upliftment, this shift in Earth’s vibration into the next highest density, the 4th - a war in space, in many cases happening just outside of 'Earth space' over the course of approximately nine (9) years of Earth time, is as of this third quarter of 2011 in the final clean-up phase. This war is finally over. Done. Finished. As Tolec for the Andromeda Council, I can tell you my colleagues had a long, hard, difficult war. I will add, this war is being won by ‘the good guys’… by the combined forces of the member star systems & planets of the Andromeda Council, those with Earth and Earth humans best interests in their hearts, minds & souls.

This proxy war to free Earth, from thousands of years of negative energy bombardment, manipulation and control, was fought on behalf of Earth - by star system & planetary council member races of the: Andromeda Council. Those members that bore the brunt of the burden, did the greatest amount of fighting included: Arcturus, Tau Ceti, and Procyon. The contributions of the Procyon people were especially valuable because they learned the weaknesses of these malevolent menaces - they learned how to 'sniff ' them out & beat them. The people of Procyon just recently liberated themselves within the past 12 years of Earth time.

[princesslovercup]

TY snowbird. Lots to look up.

[Snowbird]

TY snowbird. Lots to look up.

Welcome princesslovercup!

Fortunately/unfortunately, this is what we have to do in order to find the truths that we need to go forward. We have to wade through much information to arrive at our individual destinations.

[truthseekerdan]

Isn't it interesting that NASA finds something to distract us during the Elenin alignment... and we are not supposed to notice this?

"NASA now predicts that the dead bus-size UARS satellite will fall to Earth on Sept. 24, give or take one day. The satellite is plunging to Earth to end a 20-year spaceflight."

Source: http://www.space.com/12982-dead-nasa-satellite-falling-earth-sept-24.html

[The Truth Is In There]

i'm reminded of the of the blue star kachina prophecy, in that it will unmask itself suddenly and without warning.

to me that part of the prophecy sounds like the object is cloaked and then the shield (mask) is dropped and it becomes visible. if what that tolec guy says is true then we'll see the prophecy coming true as well, and very soon.

[greybeard]

The whole world is vibrating at the moment Sept 17 th 10am UK
This is not normal
I have no idea the cause of it.
Chris

http://aslwww.cr.usgs.gov/Seismic_Data/heli2.shtml

[jcocks]

There was a swarm of earthquakes, around 6.0 in magnitude, in Japan earlier today as well...

A lot of unusual seismic activity nowadays. Wouldn't at all be surprised if we have a major earthquake or shift in the near future... it seems to be pointing in that direction...

[ThePythonicCow]

The whole world is vibrating at the moment Sept 17 th 10am UK
One hypothesis, based on my reading of Paul LaViolette: a gravity wave from the galactic core, which one might expect to be followed by high energy gamma rays in 24 to 48 hours or so.

So far I don't see any news of any really major earthquakes, so I'm inclined not to worry that it's all that serious. But that's more an indication that I'm in a mellow mood than it is any useful information on any future geological or cosmological events ;).

[Snowbird]

Isn't it interesting that NASA finds something to distract us during the Elenin alignment... and we are not supposed to notice this?

"NASA now predicts that the dead bus-size UARS satellite will fall to Earth on Sept. 24, give or take one day. The satellite is plunging to Earth to end a 20-year spaceflight."

Source: http://www.space.com/12982-dead-nasa-satellite-falling-earth-sept-24.html

I love this little tidbit of information from the article:

NASA officials expect the UARS satellite to fall over a region somewhere between the latitudes of northern Canada and southern South America, which leaves a vast swath of the world open as a possible re-entry point. About 75 percent of the Earth's surface is covered in water, which makes an ocean splashdown likely, NASA and experts have said.

NASA and the Joint Space Operations Center of U.S. Strategic Command at Vandenberg Air Force Base, Calif., are keeping a close watch on the falling satellite, but will only be able to pinpoint its actual crash zone to within about 6,000 miles (10,000 km) about two hours before re-entry.

[nearing]

Isn't it interesting that NASA finds something to distract us during the Elenin alignment... and we are not supposed to notice this?

"NASA now predicts that the dead bus-size UARS satellite will fall to Earth on Sept. 24, give or take one day. The satellite is plunging to Earth to end a 20-year spaceflight."

Source: http://www.space.com/12982-dead-nasa-satellite-falling-earth-sept-24.html

I love this little tidbit of information from the article:

NASA officials expect the UARS satellite to fall over a region somewhere between the latitudes of northern Canada and southern South America, which leaves a vast swath of the world open as a possible re-entry point. About 75 percent of the Earth's surface is covered in water, which makes an ocean splashdown likely, NASA and experts have said.

NASA and the Joint Space Operations Center of U.S. Strategic Command at Vandenberg Air Force Base, Calif., are keeping a close watch on the falling satellite, but will only be able to pinpoint its actual crash zone to within about 6,000 miles (10,000 km) about two hours before re-entry.

I love how they use the terms "will fall" "to fall". How about they are making it fall? They couldn't know when it's going to fall if they aren't the ones making it happen, right? Sort of like they are 'pulling it' - sounds familiar?

[Hervé]

The whole world is vibrating at the moment Sept 17 th 10am UK
This is not normal
I have no idea the cause of it.
Chris

http://aslwww.cr.usgs.gov/Seismic_Data/heli2.shtml

It is "normal" in the sense that high magnitude earthquakes get recorded all over the planet as the shock wave has enough energy to travel through the entire planet.

Here is the example of seismograms for the Sumatra "Boxing Day" earthquake recorded from near epicenter to antipodes (0-1800):


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Therefore, what you see on the server is the same earthquake(s) recorded at time of arrival to the particular location of the seismograph station.

[greybeard]

Yes but there wasn't any high magnitude earth quakes.
David Sereda pointed out that the graph for each station became smaller as the recording station was further and further away from the the source.
At the time of posting I checked and there was nothing major yet every graph was uniformly very black. A Russian one was virtually a black page.
Accepting that normally virtually every station would record an earth quake any where.

IU/YAK, Yakutsk, Russia
Still black.

Regards Chris

[Hervé]

Yes but there wasn't any high magnitude earth quakes.
David Sereda pointed out that the graph for each station became smaller as the recording station was further and further away from the the source.
At the time of posting I checked and there was nothing major yet every graph was uniformly very black. A Russian one was virtually a black page.
Accepting that normally virtually every station would record an earth quake any where.

IU/YAK, Yakutsk, Russia
Still black.

Regards Chris

Did you check the times and dates of various seismograms?

Also, each station has different amplification settings, etc...

[Hervé]

No data on magnitude yet but here is the culprit:


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From RSOE EDIS:



Four earthquakes were registered nearby the Kuril Islands in Russia's Far East, a spokesman of the Ministry of Emergency Situations in Sakhalin region said on Saturday. "The first earthquake of 7.1 magnitude was registered at 6:35 Sakhalin time (12:35 GMT) 460 km south-east of the city of Yuzhno-Kurilsk. Three earthquakes of 5.8, 6 and 5.9 magnitude were reported at 7:10, 8:09 and 8:38 (Sakhalin time), respectively," the spokesman said. Epicenters were located in the Pacific Ocean and the earthquakes were not felt in the region. There is no tsunami threat, said the spokesman.

[yiolas]

Everything you want to know about comet Elenin. This is a very informative and interesting interview with astronomer Francis Walsh on "The Front" with Daron Stone.

- Comet Elenin did not break up and is alive and well.
- Michael Mattiazzo is wrong in his observations
- Comet Elenin will be visible again to telescopes end of September.
- Is there another planetry object coming in after Elenin ?

Listen to the whole interview here (http://www.frontradio.net/)

http://www.frontradio.net/

Click on Episode 148.
This is the description of the show:

Tonight on The Front: My guest will be Francis Walsh. Francis is an astronomer, artist, and writer who discovered for himself the truth about Nibiru, Planet X and Comet Elenin. The reason was simple; finding out the truth. How did he do it? He used tools that are available to everyone and took it one step further. Astronomy has elevated his viewpoint. It is an opinion based more on fact than fiction. Francis sifts through fear to find truth that appears to be hidden but is not. His take on space comes from his images. His images are of space and include Comet Elenin, Comet Honda, Comet Levy, ...

[stomy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXXT0Yt8iH0&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MWcB2MO0KY&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ik_40hpLFgA&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk3XMGagwTE&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7SQw9kT1Ok&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTOPee7qpL4&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T6rMKzA24Q&feature=relmfu

Following:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC4jbs03XxQ&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdMnK4ydg80&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-O66qsNZaM&feature=relmfu

Source: pleinsfeux.com (http://translate.google.fr/translate?hl=fr&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpleinsfeux.com%2F)
Source:
http://revivall.over-blog.com/pages/planet-x-the-avebury-crop-circle-and-nibiru-5765960.html

[greybeard]

Yes but there wasn't any high magnitude earth quakes.
David Sereda pointed out that the graph for each station became smaller as the recording station was further and further away from the the source.
At the time of posting I checked and there was nothing major yet every graph was uniformly very black. A Russian one was virtually a black page.
Accepting that normally virtually every station would record an earth quake any where.

IU/YAK, Yakutsk, Russia
Still black.

Regards Chris

Did you check the times and dates of various seismograms?

Also, each station has different amplification settings, etc...

I am not as knowledgeable a you so look at the link I posted for me.
It updates regularly every thirty minutes.

http://aslwww.cr.usgs.gov/Seismic_Data/heli2.shtml

[Hervé]

[...]

I am not as knowledgeable a you so look at the link I posted for me.
It updates regularly every thirty minutes.

http://aslwww.cr.usgs.gov/Seismic_Data/heli2.shtml

Thanks Chris, I did, it's been one of the site I regularly visit since March 11.

Currently the time and date are pretty much obliterated with the noise generated by the original one and subsequent new earthquakes in the Honshu area and others worldwide; beside being now at the top of the graphs.

Other than that, if you checked my latest post, it is indeed a big one in East Russia. So you were in your "right" left mind when you saw the graphs and not hallucinating... :P

[passiglight]

all but a couple of cropies are ascended crew imho,,,,,and i mean ALL

:-)

[stomy]

The rest of videos are in french. Soon, i think have following

trailer of a follow chapter: Elenin-Planet X-Prophecies: The Woman ,Dragon and the Crown (Half in English and French)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNOKOLlltjw&feature=player_profilepage

[greybeard]

I am now reluctant to post anything because I dont wish to add to disinfo.
I just dont have the knowledge to discern true from false.
This item at least seems to prove nothing to fear.
Obviously I welcome comments for my education.

Regards Chris

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1108/961/Comet_Elenin_Scientific_Evidence_Of_Mass_20_Times_Greater_Than_Earth.html

[yiolas]

Wow Chris, I think that we should be thanking you for showing us how to be better students. I probably would not have attempted to learn the basics behind how a neutron star is created if it were'nt for your own questioning. I think we can safely say that 'We learn more from what we don't know that from what we do know''
I'm not saying the comet Elenin is a neutron star, but the theory behind how they are formed might help us understand why an apparently small object like Elenin may have the ability to effect other large planetary objects.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBX6WOK72Kg&feature=player_embedded

[Lord Sidious]

I just dont have the knowledge to discern true from false.
Regards Chris

And who do you think does nugget?
EVERYONE here is only surmising.
Some may be closer than others, they may not be.
None of us know it all, anyone that does is a liar.

[greybeard]

Not proven is a possible verdict under Scottish law-- thats wise.
There is a lot of circumstantial evidence, some fact and a lot of hypothetical.
Time will tell.
A nugget in every cracker. Laughing.

Chris

[steveofengland]

One thing that puzzles me is that people quote bible scriptures because of the grab factor, in the quotes from Matthew if you read the whole chapter, Jesus was telling his disciples that these things would take place, I don't dispute that. But also there would be many false prophets.
Now, i have recently been studying Closely isiah and the prophecies contained in that book, and latterly how those ancient prophecies were fulfilled in jesus time. For example the fall of babylon, and how it met its end 300 years after the prophecy.
Next i shall be looking at in more detail the prophecies regarding our times.
How much does. It change things if you exchange god and jesus for extra terestrial higher dimensional beings?

[passiglight]

Hi steve,,,,,

"How much does. It change things if you exchange god and jesus for extra terestrial higher dimensional beings? "


I think your looking in the wrong direction imo,,,,,,,

The stories in the bible are nearly all taken from much earlier fables,,,,,

You just need to study the Egyptian stuff,,,,,,,,,early Egyptian,,,,,,,,summerian etc,,,,,,,,,


If we go back 17,000 years we get all we need to know from there,,,,,,,,,,

But also many of these tales have been brought to us from near star systems,like sirius,, cygnus,, pliades etc etc,,,,,,


They mean nothing apart from allegoric soap opera,, designed to be just another aspect of the control mechanism with some moralistic sandwiches thrown in,,,,,,,,,

And seriously in my humble opinion take it as given that ET are the "Gods",,,,,,,,,,,,,

Though there are no Gods,,,,,,,,just Source who's omnipotence should not be referred to as godly or like,,,,,,,,,

Just look at the ascended masters,,,,,,,,Atlantis,,,,,,,,,,lemurians,,,,,,argarthen,,,,,,,

Near History for human beings of light,,,,goes back 18 million with same ET'S running the show back then,,,,,,,,,,

prior to that historically,,,i go with Agape's message,,,,,,,,


and one has to factor into the Human element, what it means to be a vehicle integrated with DNA ,,,,,,,,and what it means to be an incarnating soul,,,,,,,,,and what it means to be taking the vehicle to the next level,,,,,,,,

All 3 elements,,,,,,, the atomic structure we call the body,,,,,,, the Soul,,,,,, the DNA,,,,,,,,,,

The Son The Spirit and The Holy Ghost,,,,,,,,,,

One can waste plenty time examining the bible but one can get much more related info from the one's running the show,,,,,


and nothing affects this planetary paradigm without ,, their knowing including stuff coming into and out of our solar system

They create the crop circles,,, they are the UFO's we see,,,,,,,they are everything religious and everything spiritual,,,,,,,,,,

everything is their teaching,,,good and bad,,,,,,,,

cosmic objecting love

[steveofengland]

Thank you passiglight. I had a feeling I was just scratching the surface here. I'm learning so much so fast.

[Calz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=V2XAkNUrVzM

[Calz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=V2XAkNUrVzM

[Hervé]

I am now reluctant to post anything because I dont wish to add to disinfo.
I just dont have the knowledge to discern true from false.
This item at least seems to prove nothing to fear.
Obviously I welcome comments for my education.

Regards Chris

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1108/961/Comet_Elenin_Scientific_Evidence_Of_Mass_20_Times_Greater_Than_Earth.html

Hi Chris, I am not sure what you refer to with "This item at least seems to prove nothing to fear."?

As for the article you provided a link for, it is the reason why I posted(post # 1297 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Is-it-Comet-Elenin-Is-it-Nibiru-Elenin-Updates.&p=310459&viewfull=1#post310459), this thread) this:

As far as I know, there's been no words on Stereo B needing a repositioning after comet Elenin got so close to it.


I am not sure why it was largely ignored... may be I wasn't specific enough?

In any case, let me expand now:

If comet Elenin actually had 10-20 times the mass of the Earth, then when it came at the distance of 0.2 AU from the Stereo B satellite, the least that could have occurred is a need for the agency in charge of it to reposition it due to the formidable gravitational pull on it from such a huge mass.

An intermediate effect would have been that Stereo B would have been caught as a satellite to Elenin... and gone along with it through the solar system, catching our moon and our planet along with it!

The worst case scenario would have been that Stereo B crashed onto Elenin as occurs to satellites pulled back down to Earth.

Has any of the above occurred? There's you answer!

Since I noticed you also followed the other current Elenin thread and had read similar posts as above, my question is: what's so incomprehensible or confusing about it?

[greybeard]

I only read down to this bit AmzerZo which suggests that there is no need to worry.

Quote from article
Millions of people are VERY worried about this “comet”, and that is permitting the filthy bankers all the time they need to set us up for WWIII. Hopefully, with this new information on “comet” Elenin, we can finally set aside our main fears, and get on with the task of removing the corrupt parasites who are killing us, and our planet.

Regards Chris

[Hervé]

Thanks for the additional take Chris.

Would have been nice to specify in your original post though...

[Sidney]

Can someone explain this one????? Caught this while studying the weekends activity... I say HMMMMMMMMMM




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[verach]

http://www.awi.de/NM_WebCam/livemovieP.html Now, take a look at this - footage from today from Atka Bay (Neumayer South Pole observatory) - what is this black round in the center of the sun - wasn't there before... From 6:30 to 8:30 UTC... :confused:

[yiolas]

Yep, I would download and save this picture while it is still there. They are updated and replaced everyday never to be seen again. I check this web cam every day and have not seen anything like this before. Of course some will say it's a lens (tihingamajig) but it still deserves to be researched.


http://www.awi.de/NM_WebCam/neumayerP.0800.jpg

[Carolin]

Yep, I would download and save this picture while it is still there. They are updated and replaced everyday never to be seen again. I check this web cam every day and have not seen anything like this before. Of course some will say it's a lens (tihingamajig) but it still deserves to be researched.


http://www.awi.de/NM_WebCam/neumayerP.0800.jpg

Yiola if you check everyday and haven't seen anything like this before wouldn't it stand to reason that it isn't a lense flare?

[greybeard]

Its still on link that verach kindly posted.
It doesn't look real ie like an ink blot on a photo----- different kind of texture.
If it was lens flare it would not be in approx same position on the sun and the camera is fixed.
Who knows---I dont but I would assume if that is real then it would be visible to a lot of astronomers,

Chris

[Bill Ryan]

Yep, I would download and save this picture while it is still there. They are updated and replaced everyday never to be seen again. I check this web cam every day and have not seen anything like this before. Of course some will say it's a lens (tihingamajig) but it still deserves to be researched.


Not a lens flare, and not any astronomical object (the pixel edge of the little circle is much too cleanly and exactly defined). It's almost certainly an addition to the software to mark the center of the sun (i.e. exactly where it is in the photo). Nothing more. :)

[yiolas]

Yep, I would download and save this picture while it is still there. They are updated and replaced everyday never to be seen again. I check this web cam every day and have not seen anything like this before. Of course some will say it's a lens (tihingamajig) but it still deserves to be researched.


Not a lens flare, and not any astronomical object (the pixel edge of the little circle is much too cleanly and exactly defined). It's almost certainly an addition to the software to mark the center of the sun (i.e. exactly where it is in the photo). Nothing more. :)

Hi Bill, welcome to our little infamous corner of Avalon ! You are most likely correct in your assessment regarding the clearly defined edges of the black circle. It just seems strange that, even though we've seen the sun on the Antarctic web cam before, this is the first time the black circle has shown up. Maybe its some new software or filter they are using. I'm going to wait and see if the circle increases in size over the next few days or disappears completely.

[Bill Ryan]

Not a lens flare, and not any astronomical object (the pixel edge of the little circle is much too cleanly and exactly defined). It's almost certainly an addition to the software to mark the center of the sun (i.e. exactly where it is in the photo). Nothing more. :)

Hi Bill, welcome to our little infamous corner of Avalon !

Thank you. :)

The thing to remember here is that there are thousands (maybe tens of thousands!) of competent, knowledgeable amateur astronomers in every developed corner of the world. Most of them are independent and are not funded or employed by institutions.

If there were any major anomalies visible with an optical telescope, they would be shouting from the rooftops. And competing with one another to add their names to a new discovery.

The only major problem out there is likely to be Planet X, which is not yet visible optically. As best I understand, it's still a few years out. It's probably currently visible in the infrared, though, through means not available to citizens (and certainly not visible in a cellphone camera).

[stomy]

Native American Prophecies & tales of the End Times by Dr. Robert ghost Wolf 1994-2004

Hopi grandfather Dan Evehema speaks:



"It was told to me that first the Blue Katchina would start to be seen at the danees, and would make his appearance known to the children in the plaza during the night dance.

this event would tell us that the end times are very near. Then the Blue Star Katchina would physically appear in our heaven, which would mean that we were in the end times.



"In the Final days, we will looks up in our heavens and we will look up in our heavens and we will witness the return of the two brothers who helped create this world in the birthing time. Pogang Hoya is the gardian of our North Pole and his Brother Palongaw Hoya is the gardian of the South Pole. In the final days, the Blue Star Katchina will come to be with his nephrews and they will return the Earth to its natural rotation which is counter clockwise.

"The return of the Blue Star Katchina who is also known as Nangasohu willbe the alarm clock that tells us of the new day and new way of life, a new world that is coming. This is where the changes will begin.They will start as fires that burn within us and outside of us on the Earth, and we will burn up with desires and conflict if we do not remember the original teachings, and return to the peaceful way of life." Not far behind the Twins will come the Purifier, the Red Katchina, who will bring the Day of Purification. On this day, the Earth, her creatures and all life as we know it will change forever.


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Source: trafford.com (http://www.trafford.com/Bookstore/BookDetail.aspx?Book=175489)



The Blue Star Kachina is Elenin and his two nephews in pictures:


http://6888comete.free.fr/images/comete/C2010X1eleninfrance/X1FINALFINAL.gif
Animation 5x(3x120s) le 20110305
http://6888comete.free.fr/images/comete/C2010X1eleninfrance/X1FINALBIS.gif
Animation 5x(3X120s) le 20110303



Source: comete.free.fr (http://6888comete.free.fr/fr/imageC2010X1eleninfrance.htm) (Astronome Amateur)



The Red Star Katchina is Planet X.


Source: http://revivall.over-blog.com/article-prophetie-hopi-elenin-et-planete-x-84714721.html

See too:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30654-Planet-X-The-Avebury-crop-circle-and-Nibiru-Part-I--1-10-

http://revivall.over-blog.com/pages/Comete_ELENIN_C2010_X1_Folder_Comet_ELENIN_C2010_X1-5689895.html

http://revivall.over-blog.com/article-comete-elenin-observation-sur-des-dates-comet-elenin-observation-on-dates-83747960.html

http://revivall.over-blog.com/article-comete-elenin-un-beau-spectacle-dans-le-ciel-74679902.html

http://revivall.over-blog.com/article-actualisation-de-la-comete-elenin-71113646.html

[ghostrider]

with all the info age and computers and college degrees and phd's , funny the so called savages already knew what the white man is just now learning about, the end of things and a new begining, oh yeah if the king of englands scribes said (king james of course) St. John saw the end on the isle of patmos it must be true...... funny my native american brothers new this without any help from computers or King James, or college or Phd's or Movies or any media, hell they didn't have electricity, phones, cars, banks, taxes, jobs, holidays, religion, corporations, fast food . their idea of fast food was shooting a buffalo while riding a horse bareback.............

[truthseekerdan]

Yep, I would download and save this picture while it is still there. They are updated and replaced everyday never to be seen again. I check this web cam every day and have not seen anything like this before. Of course some will say it's a lens (tihingamajig) but it still deserves to be researched.


http://www.awi.de/NM_WebCam/neumayerP.0800.jpg

Hi yiolas, perhaps this is the same object during the night on this video...

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[TargeT]

Hi yiolas, perhaps this is the same object during the night on this video...

pGOVYtZZK04

couldn't that just be the moon?

[Lord Sidious]

Not a lens flare, and not any astronomical object (the pixel edge of the little circle is much too cleanly and exactly defined). It's almost certainly an addition to the software to mark the center of the sun (i.e. exactly where it is in the photo). Nothing more. :)

Hi Bill, welcome to our little infamous corner of Avalon !

Thank you. :)

The thing to remember here is that there are thousands (maybe tens of thousands!) of competent, knowledgeable amateur astronomers in every developed corner of the world. Most of them are independent and are not funded or employed by institutions.

If there were any major anomalies visible with an optical telescope, they would be shouting from the rooftops. And competing with one another to add their names to a new discovery.

The only major problem out there is likely to be Planet X, which is not yet visible optically. As best I understand, it's still a few years out. It's probably currently visible in the infrared, though, through means not available to citizens (and certainly not visible in a cellphone camera).

Very good observation.
The ego would be strong and compelling them to be the first to report the sighting of whatever it is they saw first.

[aranuk]

I just dont have the knowledge to discern true from false.
Regards Chris

And who do you think does nugget?
EVERYONE here is only surmising.
Some may be closer than others, they may not be.
None of us know it all, anyone that does is a liar.

I have just returned here after going to the pub. As I was making a snack in the kitchen I was thinking exactly the same friggin' thing as I opened this thread on the latest page and found to my surprise you guys Greybeard and Lord Sid are discussing the same thing. I still haven't read anything since my time of 11 o'clock when I left. After I read what I have not seen today I will be back to communicate.

Stan

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My thread was going to be named. Curse or Legacy of Truth or something similar.

Stan

[truthseekerdan]

couldn't that just be the moon?

Apparently it seems to be... :)

[aranuk]

Yep, I would download and save this picture while it is still there. They are updated and replaced everyday never to be seen again. I check this web cam every day and have not seen anything like this before. Of course some will say it's a lens (tihingamajig) but it still deserves to be researched.


Not a lens flare, and not any astronomical object (the pixel edge of the little circle is much too cleanly and exactly defined). It's almost certainly an addition to the software to mark the center of the sun (i.e. exactly where it is in the photo). Nothing more. :)

Bill that spot is NOT in the centre of the sun it is more nearer the top than centre.

Stan

[aranuk]

Whilst I think I am privileged in being able to discern the wheat from the chaff in today's myriads of confusion and subterfuge, it is given to me at a price, needless to say. The price we pay is our attention. We must pay attention, to all happenings. I can voice my thoughts aloud in this great community of good souls here at Avalon, in relative safety. Not so in the world of 3D out there, where we have to be so cautious not to be considered a crank by our families and friends. I am actually very lucky as I have my daughter and her husband who are both on the same wavelength as I. The only thing I ever told my daughter was that there was a creator of the universe or a God of everything. I only told her that once and left her to discover her own truths. The majority of people I have found are like maggots gnawing through a turnip, looking neither left nor right until the bite their way through to the other side and are so surprised that there is no more turnip left to eat. I feel it is useless if we keep all this knowledge to ourselves. Surely we have to say something now and again to other souls to try and wake them up. It is a thankless burden we have on our backs like a cross to bear. I truly and utterly love everyone. I read a book many years ago named "A road less Traveled " by Scott Peck an American psychologist. The gist of his book was how to love our children in a proper way in order to empower them to be able to fend for themselves in the world. If we can take this profound idea a little further here, and try to apply the same methods to our brothers and sisters of our human race, what do we do. What can we do? What can't we do? We can help them to start thinking like humans ought to think, that is for themselves. Is it far too late I wonder? Maybe not? Are we cursed or not? It certainly is not an easy task for us is it? I am tired now I must sleep. If Jake reads this I am still struggling to get out of the body. I keep falling asleep. haha.

Stan

[Calz]

I think Holmes was the Blue Kachina ... can't get much more blue than this:

9968

[The Truth Is In There]

I think Holmes was the Blue Kachina ... can't get much more blue than this:

9968

don't think so. everything has to fit to fulfill a prophecy, not just the colour. holmes was of no significance whatsoever. it's either elenin or some object we have yet to see - the blue kachina removing its mask - but it's definitely something that will happen within the next few weeks. if the synchronicity between hopi and bible prophecy is accurate then it probably is elenin and it will "remove its mask" around sep 29th, the day the bible predicts the beginning of the great tribulation.

[Calz]

I think Holmes was the Blue Kachina ... can't get much more blue than this:

9968

don't think so. everything has to fit to fulfill a prophecy, not just the colour. holmes was of no significance whatsoever. it's either elenin or some object we have yet to see - the blue kachina removing its mask - but it's definitely something that will happen within the next few weeks. if the synchronicity between hopi and bible prophecy is accurate then it probably is elenin and it will "remove its mask" around sep 29th, the day the bible predicts the beginning of the great tribulation.

Lots of people coming up with "something" happening soon. Yes quite possibly within weeks.

Won't be long before we know.

:pop2:

[Calz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7cylfQtkDg

[dima]

I think we got over this elenin thing by now..

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[jagman]

Planet X
Tue 09-20
Publisher of Mysterious World books, Doug Elwell, will discuss his research on ancient references to Planet X which connects the work of Zecharia Sitchin to Bible references and why he believes the planet is the harbinger of epic change including evidence that the Star of Bethlehem was really Planet X. He will explain how Planet X ties in with evidence of giants and fairies as well.

[anklebiter]

Should be interesting. I'll have to record it.

[greybeard]

A lot of information here by courtesy of Carol a friend-- who put it all together
The comments are hers.
I know nothing.--- smiling
Chris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PKgtHMw1huw
Orion Alignment Earthquake September 20 2011
Excellent!

The real deal - not Elenin but PX = his take, pole shift.


The situation is this: Comet Elenin is just one of many asteroid like objects that surround Nibiru and they on their own pose a real threat to us on Earth in the form of impacts.

However it is Nibiru, Planet X, the planet of the crossing which likely isn't a planet at all but in fact a brown dwarf star, a so called failed star shrouded in cold black debris.

The Earthquake Tides and Alignments charts can be viewed here
http://blacksun2012.com/earthquakes-tides-alignments/

Video describing the Earthquakes Tides and Alignments charts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J50Q0qs35Y

First video describing the clock experiment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PspU-D__Wfw

Video taken with a standard camera phone on 14th September 2011 in North Wales
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UtEO0J3nRs

Images missing on Stereo A Sept 19
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2yAhieS8_4

Multiptiple objects traveling with Elenin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=378n-oHfm1E
http://6888comete.free.fr/fr/imageC2010X1eleninfrance.htm

Youtube channel illdivvies47
http://www.youtube.com/user/illdivvies47

Denver New World Airport Murals
http://extraordinaryintelligence.com/970/the-unexplained/mysterious-murals-an...

Wings Over the Rockies Air and Space Museum in Denver
In a keystone event, the Wings Museum will host an International Space Station Science and Research Expo
Sept 21 through Sept 27, astronauts, engineers, education specialists and program scientists will make presentations.
http://www.sacbee.com/2011/09/06/3888959/nasa-lands-in-colorado-with-internat...

Obama To Visit Denver Area On Sept 27 - CBS Denver
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2011/08/31/obama-to-visit-denver-area-on-sept-27/

Live Internet Seismic Server
http://aslwww.cr.usgs.gov/Seismic_Data/heli2.shtml

Latest Earthquakes in the World - Past 7 days
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.php

[yiolas]

Looks like someone is on roll here ! Thank-you Greybeard .

[Mu2143]

My Dream/Vision of Nibiru, Sun Darkened and Blue Star
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En1bZKqvtX8

[dourpil]

Thank you Amzer. Great info :)

[Mu2143]

Interesting I just found this video of guy who is talking about a vision of his wife and he add a message that the SKY has a RED tint to it at 5:00 in the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQdNQ-hPwXk&feature=player_profilepage

[risveglio]

Hi All ,

I found this on www.tribulation-now.org check it out , because this thing looks big and it is only seen in the infared on google sky

1. Step One: After you go to “Google Sky” you will see “outer space” and the blackness of stars.
2. Step Two: In the search bar at the upper left corner of the Google Sky screen, type “Mercury” and press Enter. Again you will see only the blackness of outer space with a little devil like symbol for the planet “Mercury”.
3. Step Three: Next, find the little button in the upper right of your screen that says “Infrared”. Click that button. The screen will turn to a hazy reddish color.

This has been posted before and even Bill commented on it. This is CW Leonis, not Nibiru.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?28886-Something-on-google-sky-people-&p=293086&viewfull=1#post293086

[truthseekerdan]

More positive info... from none other than our friend Richard C. Hoagland.

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[Carolin]

Mr Hoagland trying to suck and blow at the same time again.


More positive info... from none other than our friend Richard C. Hoagland.

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[transiten]

Hi!

Check out Walter Cruttenden and his theory our sun is in binary relationship to Sirius. In his new book "LOST STAR of myth and time" he even suggests that "Nibiru" is Sirius.
Now our solar system and Sirius are approaching eachother and then will come "The Golden Age" mentioned in myths and religions. The cycle is btw 24-26.00 years...any bells ringing?

[Hervé]

Certainly not that one:

http://www.nps.gov/museum/exhibits/revwar/image_gal/indeimg/web_exhibit/bellnight.jpg

"Liberty bell"

[Vitalux]

this is something I believe every Avalon member should be viewing.

It brings a great deal of insight into the current state of what is happening to the world. It will help each of us reach a better state of understanding.

For those that have understanding ...will no longer fear.
Fear is based on our ignorance of the unknown.

Pleace and love to fellow friends.

I love you all :hug:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q12VVsy9gx4&feature=related

[onawah]

Here's the link for Lucas's documentary The Ultimate Con (about 911)
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Here's a link for Lucus's site:
http://www.theultimateconspiracy.com/movie.htm

What was new to on the Planet X and 2012 lecture was some of the info about the Denver Airport and the part about the water on earth moving when there is a periodic planetary influence (presumably Planet X) so that mountains are the safest place to be .
The title is deceptive, because a large number of subjects are touched upon.
But he does a good job of sorting out fact from fiction, and finding subjects of real interest.

[Lord Sidious]

this is something I believe every Avalon member should be viewing.

It brings a great deal of insight into the current state of what is happening to the world. It will help each of us reach a better state of understanding.

For those that have understanding ...will no longer fear.
Fear is based on our ignorance of the unknown.

Pleace and love to fellow friends.

I love you all :hug:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q12VVsy9gx4&feature=related

Thanks for that nugget.
Oops, I meant thanks for that Gary.
Yeah, that is what I meant. :p

[Steve C]

Hi Folks,

I still dont believe we have Nibiru up there,due to this vid by Mike Bara,he gives it a 1% chance of existing.1% is 0 chance imo.

http://www.cmn.tv/videos/mike-bara-the-world-in-crisis/?utm_source=WordSocial&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=WordSocial

;)

[transiten]

Amzer Zo, hello:canada:

At the moment i'm listening to Swedish radio, Juliette Gréco is portrayed and as i was going to comment the French parable about Liberté and they say that her songs were all about amour, liberté et egalité= love, freedom and equality. My mother was half French raised in Marseille and i'm a singer and often sing in French. Now the medieval hood is discussed, i rehearsed medieval music yesterday for the 1:st time in 5 months. The Medieval times often described as the Dark Age that we're still in but slowly (or rapidly?)are leaving.

I experienced an incredible synchronicity yesterday in connection with the theory that not only moons and planets are moving, but also solarsystems and galaxies have cycles that influence life on earth. Just as night and day and the seasonal changes influence our existence, the Great Year of the 24-26.000 year dance of our Sun and Sirius is the reflection of the rising and fall of civilizations described as f.i. the Iron Age, Silver Age, Golden Age in Hindu religion.

I don't know how to copy videos from youtube but please google for info. Also Mr. Astrotheology Santos Bonacci builds his astrological understanding partly on this theory.

Looking forward in accelerating our speed into The Golden Age!

:angel:

[transiten]

Hi Folks,

I still dont believe we have Nibiru up there,due to this vid by Mike Bara,he gives it a 1% chance of existing.1% is 0 chance imo.

http://www.cmn.tv/videos/mike-bara-the-world-in-crisis/?utm_source=WordSocial&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=WordSocial

;)

Talking about all these different theories all ringing with some truth. Whether it's this one or that one, the choice is NOW EVERY TIME

[Hervé]

Sorry transiten, but Sirius is a bit too far away to qualify as the binary companion to our Sun. If it were, then all the stars of our galaxy would as well since they are all dancing with each other within the galaxy internal motion.

In other words, it's another red herring or a goose on a wild ride up for chase... hence that broken "Liberty Bell" not ringing since "Liberté" is still being kept out of reach due to false informations.

[transiten]

Sorry transiten, but Sirius is a bit too far away to qualify as the binary companion to our Sun. If it were, then all the stars of our galaxy would as well since they are all dancing with each other within the galaxy internal motion.

In other words, it's another red herring or a goose on a wild ride up for chase... hence that broken "Liberty Bell" not ringing since "Liberté" is still being kept out of reach due to false informations.

:violin: Sure Amer Zo that's what i meant, i realize my knowledge in these matters is not enough to judge the content, but as an astrologer and musiscian i really found the guy with the tuning fork very interesting.

The only truth we might be able to reach is the truth about ourselves, good and bad, and a walk in the forest or along the shore is recommended unless all our energy will be captured in trying to navigate trough all this info- disinformation.

[greybeard]

Think all that can safely said is that there is a massive band of electro magnetic energy coming in from the galactic center and possibly this is already affecting all the planets in the solar system.
Richard Hogland has changed the story quite a bit as far as I understand--- Elenin not carrying aliens but a time capsule.
Mind you planet X is still on the agenda.
Still none the wiser except that everything is cyclic and the Mayan claim their historic records show we have experience similar before
They are upbeat and positive.
So am I
Chris

[Vitalux]

I find it totally amazing how little interests a video containing such compelling information.....is getting so little atten.

Guess it boils down to ...people just dont want to know

[onawah]

I think you are jumping to conclusions. It's probably more a matter of the forum members already knowing about so much of this.
I already knew about most of what he touched on, except for the few things I mentioned previously.
Moreover, he didn't really have anything that original to offer.
He had just spent some time browsing the Net finding a lot of interesting information on a very broad range of subjects and showing some of the sites on his video with some of his own commentary.
I would much rather watch something by Graham Hancock or Michael Tellinger or other original researchers who are doing their own work and not just reviewing bits and pieces of work done by others.
Just my two cents.

[truthseekerdan]

I find it totally amazing how little interests a video containing such compelling information.....is getting so little atten.

Guess it boils down to ...people just dont want to know

Maybe some folks know about that video presentation already, but thank you for re-posting. It was posted on Avalon a few months back at least on one thread here...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?18207-Another-heavenly-body&p=195631&viewfull=1#post195631

[Aryslan]

@Gary: I've spent the last 4 years or so devouring anything involving planet x, nibiru, 2012, and most 'conspiracy' topics I can find. In the last year or so, though...there isn't much new information coming out.

In all honesty, I'll probably skim through this to see if I can pick up a tidbit or two. As Onawah said, most of us on this forum have simply exhausted the finite supply of information available on the interwebz.

However! Just because there were no replies, doesn't mean that multiple people haven't viewed it. If even one other person besides yourself watches it, then your mission (in posting it) is accomplished, no? ^_^

[Carolin]

Here is a video called "Elenin Removes Her Mask".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnVSZwzuMzs&feature=uploademail

And this is weird.....if it was part of a program to have a dot in the centre of the Sun would it be hidden with clouds at 7am?


http://www.awi.de/NM_WebCam/livemovieP.html

http://www.awi.de/NM_WebCam/livemovieP.html

Sorry, can't for the life of me upload a picture.

[nearing]

Here is a video called "Elenin Removes Her Mask".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnVSZwzuMzs&feature=uploademail

And this is weird.....if it was part of a program to have a dot in the centre of the Sun would it be hidden with clouds at 7am?


http://www.awi.de/NM_WebCam/livemovieP.html

http://www.awi.de/NM_WebCam/livemovieP.html

Sorry, can't for the life of me upload a picture.

I saw the stereo B video and all I can say is that doesn't look like a comet to me.

[The One]

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Thought i would post this one,not sure what to believe with this anymore

During the middle two hours, publisher of Mysterious World books, Doug Elwell, discussed his research on ancient references to Planet X which connects the work of Zecharia Sitchin to Biblical writings. He noted that astronomers have actually been looking for Planet X for “over 100 years” and clarified that the use of ‘X’ is merely to denote that the object remains, so far, unknown. “It’s not some cheesy science fiction thing,” he declared, “it’s a legitimate scientific endeavor.” Elwell described his interpretation of Planet X as a combination of mainstream science theories on the object along with the voluminous work of Zecharia Sitchen. According to Elwell’s research, Planet X circles through our solar system about every 2,000 years and crosses through the asteroid belt.

Elwell observed that numerous ancient texts appear to allude to Planet X and asserted that the object is actually the “core concept behind the Bible.” He noted that, in the Bible, Jesus said that, much like his birth, his return would be preceded by the arrival of a bright star, which Elwell interprets, in both cases, to be Planet X. Additionally, he said that if we “take mythology at face value,” various ancient cultures wrote about their highest deities facing off in battle against a “dragon” of some kind. All of these references, Elwell theorized, suggest a “cosmic war” between God and the fallen angels, who come to Earth every time Planet X arrives in the hopes of raising an army to “attack heaven, itself.”

Quantum Leap & Consciousness
In the first hour, writer/producer Deborah Pratt discussed her work on the TV series Quantum Leap as well as consciousness. She attributed the massive popularity of the program to the strong chemistry between the main characters as well as the concept that past mistakes could be fixed which “gave people hope.” On consciousness, she opined that “we are in a shift” and stressed that mankind needs to harness the power of their “collective mass” to shape the future into a positive place. Pratt has set up a special website where Coast listeners can get a free e-download of the first book in her Vision Quest trilogy.

Comet Elenin
Final hour guest Richard C. Hoagland shared his thoughts on Comet Elenin, Friday’s impending satellite re-entry, and 2012. He decried the hysteria surrounding Elenin, declaring that he’d “never seen any object so hyped and so lied about than this little nothing, wimpy thing.” Hoagland also voiced suspicions over the origins of the comet’s discovery, noting that Leonid Elenin, the man who discovered it, has seemingly rebuffed nearly all press surrounding the object. He encouraged listeners to avoid what he sees as “fear conditioning” by the media surrounding Elenin and surmised that something about the approaching comet threatens the world elite. As such, Hoagland mused that “someone in power is deathly afraid of it, so it must be a good thing.

If already posted then mods please delete

[truthseekerdan]

This is an interesting video...

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[Hughe]

I weigh on a system that is composed of few bodies move in.

I'll buy or build a telescope and watch the night sky when more armature astronomers put out images and data. If it's coming, we will be able to observe cheap telescope soon in night sky. NASA or any governments can't cover entire sky.

If you are handy person with tools and workshop, building a decent telescope is easy.


Plans for Building a Dobsonian Telescope
http://www.raycash.us/sfsidewalk/intro.htm

http://www.telescopesineducation.com/dobson/index.html

Telescope mirrors, eyepieces
http://www.e-scopes.cc/

[aranuk]

Interesting Dan but who is he? He said he was not a professional photographer. Hmm...He showed the red square which he said had been done by NASA geeks to hide Elenin. I personally don't know which astronomer to trust. The mainstream astronomers are paid by the state and presumably tell us what they are allowed to tell us. When and how it suits their purpose. As for the other amateur astronomers they are like Tom Dick and Harry to me. Bill appears to believe the sydneystargazers opinions, but why I asked him, but he didn't reply. Bill sounded DEAD SURE in the opening thread here. How can anybody be THAT sure without having your own powerful telescope or even radio telescope to look with. With all things coming to the boil these days and dec 21 2012 not that far off, we are running short of time. I am retired now and would like to study astronomy but hell I'll not have enough time. Things were so straight forward studying Astrology as all the astrologers past and present didn't lie about anything. Some were difficult to understand though.

Stan

[Hervé]

Here is a video called "Elenin Removes Her Mask".

[...]


Re that video, there is something one has to keep in mind: if indeed it is an object that seems to be bigger than Earth, why isn't it leaving a streak of light on the stereo sensor as the Earth and Jupiter do? Also, why does that so-called obect has the same signature as backgroud stars? The latter made some commenters think it were the Pleiades. since the Pleiades are farther right, then this "object" is most probably another star grouping soon to be visible on HI 1. Then we'll all know for sure.

[Sidney]

Interesting Dan but who is he? He said he was not a professional photographer. Hmm...He showed the red square which he said had been done by NASA geeks to hide Elenin. I personally don't know which astronomer to trust. The mainstream astronomers are paid by the state and presumably tell us what they are allowed to tell us. When and how it suits their purpose. As for the other amateur astronomers they are like Tom Dick and Harry to me. Bill appears to believe the sydneystargazers opinions, but why I asked him, but he didn't reply. Bill sounded DEAD SURE in the opening thread here. How can anybody be THAT sure without having your own powerful telescope or even radio telescope to look with. With all things coming to the boil these days and dec 21 2012 not that far off, we are running short of time. I am retired now and would like to study astronomy but hell I'll not have enough time. Things were so straight forward studying Astrology as all the astrologers past and present didn't lie about anything. Some were difficult to understand though.

Stan

Bill was also DEAD SURE that Charles (Atticus) was Legit. He doesn't know everything. Discernment is key.

[nearing]

Here is a video called "Elenin Removes Her Mask".

[...]


Re that video, there is something one has to keep in mind: if indeed it is an object that seems to be bigger than Earth, why isn't it leaving a streak of light on the stereo sensor as the Earth and Jupiter do? Also, why does that so-called obect has the same signature as backgroud stars? The latter made some commenters think it were the Pleiades. since the Pleiades are farther right, then this "object" is most probably another star grouping soon to be visible on HI 1. Then we'll all know for sure.

Perhaps the object is made of different matter than planets?

[Hervé]

[...]

Perhaps the object is made of different matter than planets?


Then, perhaps, it wouldn't be "visible" through Stereo optics as well?

[nearing]

[...]

Perhaps the object is made of different matter than planets?


Then, perhaps, it wouldn't be "visible" through Stereo optics as well?

Can't say for sure since I don't know the specifics. All I know is that there is something rather large there and no officla explanations.

[The Truth Is In There]

i guess if an object bends light due to very strong magnetism it would appear as a dark spot on nasa telescopes

[Lord Sidious]

i guess if an object bends light due to very strong magnetism it would appear as a dark spot on nasa telescopes

It is gravity that bends light. Something with enough mass, such as a black hole can prevent any light from reflecting even.

[HORIZONS]

Isn't today supposed to be a big alignment day? The comet, Earth, Sun and Venus all lined up and then earthquakes and whatnot going on?

[verach]

http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=2011%20SE58;orb=1;cov=0;log=0;cad=0#orb Check the orbit of "2011 SE58". Tomorrow it will be 0.0023 AU from Earth (344 075 km or 215 04 miles). If the orbit is correct... This may be the reason why everyone is in Denver tomorrow... Plus the Elenin alignment...

[nearing]

http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=2011%20SE58;orb=1;cov=0;log=0;cad=0#orb Check the orbit of "2011 SE58". Tomorrow it will be 0.0023 AU from Earth (344 075 km or 215 04 miles). If the orbit is correct... This may be the reason why everyone is in Denver tomorrow... Plus the Elenin alignment...

Is this SE58 being called a comet as well?

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Isn't today supposed to be a big alignment day? The comet, Earth, Sun and Venus all lined up and then earthquakes and whatnot going on?

It's the sun, "elenin" and the earth and it's tomorrow. And yes, historically, we have had huge EQs when this happens.

[yiolas]

Hi Guys, here's an update on the black sphere on the sun seen on the web cams at Neumayer Station Antarctica
Picture #1 is from September 19, 2011
Picture #2 is dated September 26, 2011.

It is clear that the newest black spot is a little smudged or out of shape. I really don't know what to make of it.

[jcocks]

My wife just showed me pictures of the 1906 san francisco earthquake on our ipod.......

Coincidence?

[RMorgan]

Hi Guys, here's an update on the black sphere on the sun seen on the web cams at Neumayer Station Antarctica
Picture one is from September 19, 2011
Picture is dated September 26, 2011.

It is clear that the newest black spot is a little smudged or out of shape. I really don't know what to make of it.

This black shape is an automatic effect to mask the sun and prevent lens flare. The software takes the brightest spot on the video or image and invert it, otherwise, the image would be unbalanced and full of digital artifacts.

[Kindred]

Hi Guys, here's an update on the black sphere on the sun seen on the web cams at Neumayer Station Antarctica
Picture one is from September 19, 2011
Picture is dated September 26, 2011.

It is clear that the newest black spot is a little smudged or out of shape. I really don't know what to make of it.

This black shape is an automatic effect to mask the sun and prevent lens flare. The software takes the brightest spot on the video or image and invert it, otherwise, the image would be unbalanced and full of digital artifacts.

Well... it certainly may be the effect of software in the camera, but, Yesterday (or was it the day before yesterday... ???), I had posted on the thread "Elenin removes her mask....", post #15, that I had looked at the sun with some welding goggles... and had seen a black 'dot', in the lower left area of the sun's disk... possibly even one larger dot, and one smaller, and, my eyes don't have any software to impinge any images on the 'recording'... I won't discount your suggestion, but, as I see it, SOMETHING is physically There.

And, Yes... the glasses were clean...

[araucaria]

Hi Guys, here's an update on the black sphere on the sun seen on the web cams at Neumayer Station Antarctica
Picture one is from September 19, 2011
Picture is dated September 26, 2011.

It is clear that the newest black spot is a little smudged or out of shape. I really don't know what to make of it.

This black shape is an automatic effect to mask the sun and prevent lens flare. The software takes the brightest spot on the video or image and invert it, otherwise, the image would be unbalanced and full of digital artifacts.

Well... it certainly may be the effect of software in the camera, but, Yesterday (or was it the day before yesterday... ???), I had posted on the thread "Elenin removes her mask....", post #15, that I had looked at the sun with some welding goggles... and had seen a black 'dot', in the lower left area of the sun's disk... possibly even one larger dot, and one smaller, and, my eyes don't have any software to impinge any images on the 'recording'... I won't discount your suggestion, but, as I see it, SOMETHING is physically There.

And, Yes... the glasses were clean...

Maybe your eye also 'has an automatic effect to mask the sun and prevent lens flare'?

[RMorgan]

Hi Guys, here's an update on the black sphere on the sun seen on the web cams at Neumayer Station Antarctica
Picture one is from September 19, 2011
Picture is dated September 26, 2011.

It is clear that the newest black spot is a little smudged or out of shape. I really don't know what to make of it.

This black shape is an automatic effect to mask the sun and prevent lens flare. The software takes the brightest spot on the video or image and invert it, otherwise, the image would be unbalanced and full of digital artifacts.

Well... it certainly may be the effect of software in the camera, but, Yesterday (or was it the day before yesterday... ???), I had posted on the thread "Elenin removes her mask....", post #15, that I had looked at the sun with some welding goggles... and had seen a black 'dot', in the lower left area of the sun's disk... possibly even one larger dot, and one smaller, and, my eyes don't have any software to impinge any images on the 'recording'... I won't discount your suggestion, but, as I see it, SOMETHING is physically There.

And, Yes... the glasses were clean...

Maybe your eye also 'has an automatic effect to mask the sun and prevent lens flare'?

This black dot is not a physical object. It´s is a masking program. If there are several bright spots on the frame, like very bright lens flairs or other extremely bright digital artifacts, several black spots will show up on the image. Please, use discernment. Not everything is a conspiracy. Look for the logical, plausible explanation first.

This kind of masking software is very common. It´s a default feature on most high-end astronomical (telescope/image capture) software.

[teddyc1]

Maybe your eye also 'has an automatic effect to mask the sun and prevent lens flare'?

No, there's no "blackout" software in our eyes or mind - we just close our eyelids or look away.

Seriously, how about taking a photo thru the welder's glasses, would that work?

I've taken a few pics thru a sunglass lens for a filtered effect and that worked ok.

[araucaria]

Please, use discernment. Not everything is a conspiracy. Look for the logical, plausible explanation first.



Precisely! That is exactly what I am saying. Something got lost in the wash...

[nearing]

Hi Guys, here's an update on the black sphere on the sun seen on the web cams at Neumayer Station Antarctica
Picture one is from September 19, 2011
Picture is dated September 26, 2011.

It is clear that the newest black spot is a little smudged or out of shape. I really don't know what to make of it.

This black shape is an automatic effect to mask the sun and prevent lens flare. The software takes the brightest spot on the video or image and invert it, otherwise, the image would be unbalanced and full of digital artifacts.

Well... it certainly may be the effect of software in the camera, but, Yesterday (or was it the day before yesterday... ???), I had posted on the thread "Elenin removes her mask....", post #15, that I had looked at the sun with some welding goggles... and had seen a black 'dot', in the lower left area of the sun's disk... possibly even one larger dot, and one smaller, and, my eyes don't have any software to impinge any images on the 'recording'... I won't discount your suggestion, but, as I see it, SOMETHING is physically There.

And, Yes... the glasses were clean...

kindred, can you put a camera in your welding googles and take photo of the object for us?

[aranuk]

I chased the setting sun tonight at 6.45 and by the time I drove to get a good view of the western sky the sun was still behind thick clouds. But Kindred presumably can still see the sun and has the welding mask and a camera too. I look forward to him getting something captured on film.

Stan

[Kindred]

I chased the setting sun tonight at 6.45 and by the time I drove to get a good view of the western sky the sun was still behind thick clouds. But Kindred presumably can still see the sun and has the welding mask and a camera too. I look forward to him getting something captured on film.

Stan

Sorry.... don't have a camera, and it's been Very cloudy these last few days (week!).. I was lucky to see the sun for a bit that day, through a light cloud cover, at about 9 AM, which also helped. I'm in Connecticut, and you can see by the weather maps from the last week or so, it's been raining or just plain overcast. I firmly believe this was planned so that anything that can be seen in the major metropolitan areas of the US, will Not be seen. (no need to scare the plebes!) Just the same, perhaps there are others who can provide a photo?

[greybeard]

I suspect we are all looking for a logic, scientific, explanation to the gut feeling that something is going on.
That feeling may not get a scientific or logical explanation, it may be just a feeling that is there in error but I dont think so.

I point again in the direction of David Sereda who says on this audio that he would be gob smacked if nothing happens before 2013
He is a qualified astrophysicist and I trust his judgment on that subject.

Regards Chris



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNgUdg2NAmc

[HORIZONS]

I have been sun-gazing straight into the setting sun this last week and have not seen anything unusual - just bright gold light and many other colors of the light spectrum - no black dots.

[TargeT]

I had looked at the sun with some welding goggles... and had seen a black 'dot', in the lower left area of the sun's disk... possibly even one larger dot, and one smaller, and, my eyes don't have any software to impinge any images on the 'recording'... I won't discount your suggestion, but, as I see it, SOMETHING is physically There.

And, Yes... the glasses were clean...

Actualy I sungaze quite frequently, and if you hold a steady position your eyes will "black out" or "tone down" the intensity of the sun (which leaves a lasting "spot" for a little bit) But the sun is so intense to the naked eye I cannot say if I would see any small object infront of it or not, but your eye will do something similar to this, it should be pretty obvious that its your eye though, you can look else where and see a faint "ghost" image of it. now the effect of a welding mask on this, I'm not sure.. perhaps its not intense enough to do it.

Not saying this proves or dis proves anything, just providing my experience for reference.

[Kindred]

Hi Guys, here's an update on the black sphere on the sun seen on the web cams at Neumayer Station Antarctica
Picture #1 is from September 19, 2011
Picture #2 is dated September 26, 2011.

It is clear that the newest black spot is a little smudged or out of shape. I really don't know what to make of it.

I'll suggest that the 'smudge' is an effect of the linear cloud cover that stretches out to either side of the sun... and therefore, slightly obscures the image of the 'dot'...

edit: I had hoped that the photo would paste with the quote... sorry.. I don't know how to make it work.

post edit: NOTE... if the cloud cover idea is correct (and I believe it IS!).. then this 'dot' is NOT caused by the camera... its an artifact of the dot's image, as it passes Through the atmosphere!

[nearing]

We would most certainly need something such as a welder's hat to cut the majority of glare in order to see an object in front of it. Sun gazing is awesome , but it won't let you see that little black dot.

[HORIZONS]

The dot in the posted photo is not so little.

[teddyc1]

Ok, I'm in Israel and it's 10:30pm here. I know one guy in New Jersey who may have welder's goggles. I'll see if I can reach him and see if he can get a photo, but it seems cloudy there now. Perhaps another one of use knows someone with goggles to try this? Central PA looks clear on the weather.com website.

[TargeT]

I think I can get a hold of a pair, I'll try it at lunch, see if i can get a camera in there too. (30 min from now)

[greybeard]

I took several good photos of the sun today with a mobile, I dont know how to upload, but there does not seem to be anything unusual.

Chris

[TargeT]

I took several good photos of the sun today with a mobile, I dont know how to upload, but there does not seem to be anything unusual.

Chris

I personaly use www.photobucket.com, great way to share photo's online...

and with an Iphone (or other smart phone I'd guess) you can usualy get an app for photobucket and upload directly from your phone..

for example:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/zTargeTz/2560ba84.jpg

Took that while eating at a resturaunt and uploaded it right after for internet enjoyment ;)

[Kindred]

Hi Guys, here's an update on the black sphere on the sun seen on the web cams at Neumayer Station Antarctica
Picture #1 is from September 19, 2011
Picture #2 is dated September 26, 2011.

It is clear that the newest black spot is a little smudged or out of shape. I really don't know what to make of it.

( I had replied to this post before, but it's on page 69 now... sorry I don't know how to get the photos to post)
NOTE: The 'dot' appears 'smudged' because of the lensing effect of the linear cloud cover.. it is Not an artifact of any 'software', IMHO

[RMorgan]

Just to conclude this discussion on black spots over the sun:

-What causes the sun to appear as a black dot when I take a digital photo?
On some of the photos I've taken with my digital camera, the sun appears as a black dot in the sky. What causes this?

-The sun is too bright to take a picture of.
A digital camera has a electronic image sensor that converts light into an electronic signal. If an object is very bright, it can overwhelm the sensor. If you watch video shot with early digital video cameras, you'll see very bright lights show up on the recording as a bright vertical line. The engineers who designed cameras decided that wasn't a useful failure mode so they wrote instructions into the camera to shut off the pixels that got hit with the too bright light. Hence the black dot where the sun should be.

The way a digital camera works is that there is a photo-sensitive capacitor-array that captures information for each pixel. The amount of charge on a particular capacitor is proportional to the intensity of the light that hits it. So perhaps, because of the nature of the capacitors, a very high intensity light could cause the bias on the capacitor to surpass the breakdown voltage of the dielectric. This would cause the capacitor for that pixel to discharge and become neutral and therefore register no-light information

Seems logic right? Source:

http://askville.amazon.com/sun-black-dot-digital-photo/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=33329339

Some pictures of the black sun dots:

http://www.flickr.com/groups/1354324@N23/pool/page5/

and

http://www.flickr.com/groups/1354324@N23/

An interesting forum discussion about it:

http://www.arridigital.com/forum/index.php?topic=2413.0

"This is a known phenomenon called "black sun" and appears only under extreme exposition of the sensor. It is not unique to the Alexa but pretty common (of not for all) digital cameras.
If you intend to shoot the sun, close the iris and/or use ND filters."

"Black sun is an overload of the CMO sensor"

Ok. I Guess we all know now that there is no physical object in front of the sun. It´s just a digital photography phenomenon.

Sorry for disappointing...No conspiracy here.

Cheers,

Raf.

[HORIZONS]

OK, I just went to the farm and got a welders shield and looked through it - I could see the sun really good, but no black dots. But even with this the sun was still too bright to look through for very long - now I can see black dots everywhere I look - and I had my sunglasses on too. I'll try it again later when the sun is setting - it should work better then.

[TargeT]

These were taken with my IPhone (4megapixel IIRC) today..

I went and lunch and the welders were... at lunch (duh) so I couldn't get a mask.

I took a photo of the sun:
pretty useless with no filter,, to much glare
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/zTargeTz/65ca12ef.jpg

So I happened to have a very nice pair of sunglasses (before i sat on them) so I used the polarized lense to cut some glare:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/zTargeTz/cc617f89.jpg

still useless IMO

So I stacked the two polarized lenses at a 90* off set (if you know about polarized glasses you know what this does..)
that didn't do much better, so I tried that, with ANOTHER pair of sunglasses (3 lenses filtering) still crap..

so I tried 3 lenses (90* offset on the polarized ones) AND the tint from my truck window (20%):
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/zTargeTz/9043a283.jpg

I think the last one is "good enough" to show there's nothing really there...

[yiolas]

Thank-you Targe, I guess that settles it then.... until next time, LOL :photo:

[TargeT]

Thank-you Targe, I guess that settles it then.... until next time, LOL :photo:

well... yes and no.. you see I'm in Alaska, and the sun I see vrs the south pole,, well you don't get much more of a different angle, at least not on this planet ..

I'd say "lean" to nothing there but be open to the possibility there is :)

once you "know" something there's no more room for learning

[truthseekerdan]

These are strange curiosities - 12 years ago, back in 1999, a Brazilian composer named Nando Reis made ??this song especially for the singer Cassia Eller, and the letter was not tied to the facts at the time. Cassia Eller died aged 39 in 2001. The words of that song is a striking thing, as if at the time, had been a alert, aimed particularly at this time we are experiencing. Enjoy the beautiful song!

gcVRJFm2h5U

[Mu2143]

Just wanted the add that I just updated the link with a new one ,because the acount where the video was on was closed. And since I've downloaded the video I've uploaded to my youtube acount.

See above (My Dream/Vision of Nibiru, Sun Darkened and Blue Star)

[Mu2143]

Today I was watching "All star Superman" guess what they have put in there. First the sun turns red and after that it turned Blue.

[daledo]

phillipbbg posted a video above and after watching a few of his videos i came across the following one. He matched up a few of the blacked out areas on the maps.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXibh5Pr_UE

[yiolas]

Well 9Nania is insisting that the alignment isn't over until 'the fat lady sings'


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB-J9L8hC5M&feature=uploademail

[Lifebringer]

Yesterday I google.com/sky and typed in Mercury on the left and then went to infrared and saw it closer to the Earth. Is the Sun hiding it or is it in front of the sun and therefore unable to see as they are both bright? All i know is I saw Nibiru still there and very close to the earth. I had to click it back as there was a energy belt of gold and red around the universe from the sun or whatever is sending it here, but yes it's still visible with a black circle and a turquoise blue core headed for us. Please see for yourself, if I can do it, anyone can. They aren't talking about this wavy energy belt surrounding our universe and getting stronger and brighter with geometric shapes in the backround. Triangles, squares, florescent green rods as well as red ones.

I'm not afraid because if they are hiding it, it's is the only thing they can't control. OUR family coming to stop the nonsense.

[HORIZONS]

Well, there is always this ~
http://www.supertorchritual.com/underground/images/11b/Elenin-hidden_form.gif
http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/elenin.htm

[truthseekerdan]

More info (positive) for those that are interested in knowing...

k-AHI-fv1mM

v9NLOrrE2Uo

[Mu2143]

Red sky at night ... astronaut's delight
http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/09/27/7997049-red-sky-at-night-astronauts-delight?GT1=43001

[Lifebringer]

It's in the right hand upper corner "infrared." And it's there on the right of Mercury headed to earth.

[Lifebringer]

The tint is the color reflectance of Nibiru.

[dddanieljjjamesss]

Hi All ,

I found this on www.tribulation-now.org check it out , because this thing looks big and it is only seen in the infared on google sky

1. Step One: After you go to “Google Sky” you will see “outer space” and the blackness of stars.
2. Step Two: In the search bar at the upper left corner of the Google Sky screen, type “Mercury” and press Enter. Again you will see only the blackness of outer space with a little devil like symbol for the planet “Mercury”.
3. Step Three: Next, find the little button in the upper right of your screen that says “Infrared”. Click that button. The screen will turn to a hazy reddish color.

This has been posted before and even Bill commented on it. This is CW Leonis, not Nibiru.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?28886-Something-on-google-sky-people-&p=293086&viewfull=1#post293086

this needs to be bumped to every page until the thread is locked.

[Hervé]

This has been posted before and even Bill commented on it. This is CW Leonis, not Nibiru.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?28886-Something-on-google-sky-people-&p=293086&viewfull=1#post293086

this needs to be bumped to every page until the thread is locked.

Definitely!

It seems that too many people don't even read posts in threads and, if they do, don't understand what's written: my post #31 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?28508-Nibiru-found-on-google-sky&p=291747&viewfull=1#post291747) this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?28508-Nibiru-found-on-google-sky&p=291747&viewfull=1#post291747


(from:
http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/2011/06/comet-2010-x1-elenin-nibiru-and-google.html):

Comet 2010 X1 Elenin, Nibiru and Google Sky


Virtual telescopes such as Google Sky (http://www.google.com/sky/), World Wide Telescope (http://www.worldwidetelescope.org/Home.aspx) and Wiki Sky (http://www.wikisky.org/) have allowed people to explore the sky in great detail at many different wavelengths. However, if you are not familiar with the sky some things may be of great puzzlement; especially the difference in view between the infrared sky views and the visual data.

First off you should know something about the images. All the programs use the same databases, for example the Palomar Deep Sky Survey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Geographic_Society_%E2%80%93_Palomar_Observatory_Sky_Survey) for visual data, and the IRAS survey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRAS) for infrared images. There are (very) minor discrepancies in the location and appearance of objects between the three programs due to they way the images are digitized/compressed and stitched together, but they are using exactly same images.

Another thing to remember is that the DSS plates date from 1956-1958 (yes, that's right), and the IRAS images date from 1983. So they reflect the sky situation decades ago. Nonetheless, the sky revealed by these images can be quite astounding.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FgKwPBKWZpo/SpRZMJQFtMI/AAAAAAAABoc/OydnxbNi_vQ/s320/Google_visible.png (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FgKwPBKWZpo/SpRZMJQFtMI/AAAAAAAABoc/OydnxbNi_vQ/s1600-h/Google_visible.png) http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FgKwPBKWZpo/SpRZLnvH32I/AAAAAAAABoU/LhwadiF7npc/s320/Google_IRAS.png (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FgKwPBKWZpo/SpRZLnvH32I/AAAAAAAABoU/LhwadiF7npc/s1600-h/Google_IRAS.png)
Take for example this image of a bright, angry looking object in the IR view of Google Sky (right image, also seen in world wide telescope and wiki sky, search on the following coordinates 09:47:27, 13:16:27), absent from the visible light view (left image).

This object is now being touted as comet Elenin, a while ago it was being touted as Nibiru (http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/2009/08/nibiru-it-is-not.html). In fact it is the carbon star (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_star)CW Leonis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC_%2B10216) (also known as IRC +10216, PK 221+45 1 and the Peanut Nebula (http://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/sim-id?Ident=IRC+%2B10216&jsessionid=9B28A5414FB4CCC3FF061DAD0CCB1629)). CW Leonis is the brightest object in the 10 μm infrared sky, and well known to experienced observers. But if you are new to the field, it can look quite mysterious.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mDD-d1NSz1I/Tgc-g0Zeb4I/AAAAAAAADgM/tTjjY9UEK_A/s320/Wikisky_Arifact_1.png (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mDD-d1NSz1I/Tgc-g0Zeb4I/AAAAAAAADgM/tTjjY9UEK_A/s1600/Wikisky_Arifact_1.png) http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YcU8Wgdjtas/Tgc-hDq7sSI/AAAAAAAADgU/cwMZT-sv7Pk/s320/Wikisky_Artifact_2.png (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YcU8Wgdjtas/Tgc-hDq7sSI/AAAAAAAADgU/cwMZT-sv7Pk/s1600/Wikisky_Artifact_2.png)

Now take a look at the object in the left hand image above (this time in Wikisky at 06h 08m 55s, 22 47' 21", you can find it at the same coordinates in Google Sky and WorldWide Telescope). This also has been claimed to represent Nibiru (http://www.✰.net/nibiru-planet-x-maybe-update-wwt-is-the-newer-location/) and/or Elenin. It actually looks like a planetary nebula, a bit like the Cats Eye Nebula (http://www.✰.net/nibiru-planet-x-maybe-update-wwt-is-the-newer-location/), however, zooming out reveals its true nature (see image right).

It is an artifact, a vagrant blob of light on those plates, there's a few of them on the larger image (and some edge artifacts from differing exposures between the plates as they stitched the images together, Google sky uses a different approach to compressing the images, so the object and the other artifacts look slightly different). Despite being one of the best instruments of its time, the 48 inch telescope at Palomar Observatory did not always take perfect images.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4z90aqOCDL8/Tgc-gcuv2YI/AAAAAAAADgE/l5NKVDwNuuE/s320/Wikisky_SPica_Artifact2.png (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4z90aqOCDL8/Tgc-gcuv2YI/AAAAAAAADgE/l5NKVDwNuuE/s1600/Wikisky_SPica_Artifact2.png)

A nice example is this image near Spica in Virgo, where you can see an image of the primary mirror in the picture just above Spica (the bright star in the target box).

As well, while the Palomar survey was roughly only 99% complete, there are some areas where plates were not of high enough quality (or don't digitize well), some of these blank spots are claimed as "cover-ups", but just represent areas of data loss (http://www.2012hoax.org/google-sky) for one or more reasons.

Similarly, the IRAS survey was not complete (around 96% of the sky), and there are a number of missing frames where images weren't taken, or the images were defective.

So while the virtual telescopes can give us unprecedented views of the sky at multiple wavelengths, what you see can occasionally be difficult to interpret. Before rushing off to claim comets or brown dwarf stars, take a bit of time to become antiquated with astronomical objects, and the characteristics of the images. You may learn something wonderful.

[Hervé]

Yesterday I google.com/sky and typed in Mercury on the left and then went to infrared and saw it closer to the Earth. Is the Sun hiding it or is it in front of the sun and therefore unable to see as they are both bright? All i know is I saw Nibiru still there and very close to the earth. I had to click it back as there was a energy belt of gold and red around the universe from the sun or whatever is sending it here, but yes it's still visible with a black circle and a turquoise blue core headed for us. Please see for yourself, if I can do it, anyone can. They aren't talking about this wavy energy belt surrounding our universe and getting stronger and brighter with geometric shapes in the backround. Triangles, squares, florescent green rods as well as red ones.

I'm not afraid because if they are hiding it, it's is the only thing they can't control. OUR family coming to stop the nonsense.

Hi Lifebringer, I would suggest for you to read and undestand what's in this post # 1046 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Is-it-Comet-Elenin-Is-it-Nibiru-Elenin-Updates.&p=294210&viewfull=1#post294210) in this very thread (click on the bolded blue text to directly go there).

[verach]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdn8aKgfvWs&feature=channel_video_title From what I have read on the Intenet people have different oppinions of Terral 03 - most have a negative attitude... I don't kow why. So, as I am not affected from this oppinion I watched this video and think we might have an explanation as to why all was so calm and peaceful during these 3 days of alignmennt and what is really happening. Version seems qite acceptable to me. Plus, all those who kept repeating that a comet cannot cause such influences on Earth's seismicity might have been right all this time... Please, share your thoughts on this.

[Lord Sidious]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdn8aKgfvWs&feature=channel_video_title From what I have read on the Intenet people have different oppinions of Terral 03 - most have a negative attitude... I don't kow why. So, as I am not affected from this oppinion I watched this video and think we might have an explanation as to why all was so calm and peaceful during these 3 days of alignmennt and what is really happening. Version seems qite acceptable to me. Plus, all those who kept repeating that a comet cannot cause such influences on Earth's seismicity might have been right all this time... Please, share your thoughts on this.

There ya go nugget.

[risveglio]

Hi All ,

I found this on www.tribulation-now.org check it out , because this thing looks big and it is only seen in the infared on google sky

1. Step One: After you go to “Google Sky” you will see “outer space” and the blackness of stars.
2. Step Two: In the search bar at the upper left corner of the Google Sky screen, type “Mercury” and press Enter. Again you will see only the blackness of outer space with a little devil like symbol for the planet “Mercury”.
3. Step Three: Next, find the little button in the upper right of your screen that says “Infrared”. Click that button. The screen will turn to a hazy reddish color.

This has been posted before and even Bill commented on it. This is CW Leonis, not Nibiru.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?28886-Something-on-google-sky-people-&p=293086&viewfull=1#post293086

this needs to be bumped to every page until the thread is locked.

Why? We know this is CW Leonis. Bumping it will just keep people looking at it and thinking it is Niburu.

[lightpotential]

Dear Group,

I have updated my blog with an essay stating at least my position on the Brown Dwarf Star theory. And it can be seen on the following link:

Brown Dwarf Star Within Our Solar System? (http://ancientworldmysteries.wordpress.com/)

On the issue of Terral03 (Terral Croft), I have spoken to him, as he emailed me from seeing some of my videos on the Brown Dwarf theory. We disagree on a lot of things. I do not believe that Elenin has been causing earthquakes on the 'alignment dates' for one thing.

Also, on the videos making the rounds of the big anomally in Google Sky in Infared - we all know the one. This object, from my analysis, is quite simply NOT MOVING. It is a part of the background star field and it is LIGHT YEARS away.

Keith

[Ian Gordon]

Posted by verach (here)
From what I have read on the Intenet people have different oppinions of Terral 03 - most have a negative attitude... I don't kow why. So, as I am not affected from this oppinion I watched this video and think we might have an explanation as to why all was so calm and peaceful during these 3 days of alignmennt and what is really happening. Version seems qite acceptable to me. Plus, all those who kept repeating that a comet cannot cause such influences on Earth's seismicity might have been right all this time... Please, share your thoughts on this.
Hi this object in google sky has been discussed on another thread http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?28508-Nibiru-found-on-google-sky/page3 where posts highlight that this is a know object not Nibiru

(from:
http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/201...nd-google.html):

Comet 2010 X1 Elenin, Nibiru and Google Sky


Virtual telescopes such as Google Sky, World Wide Telescope and Wiki Sky have allowed people to explore the sky in great detail at many different wavelengths. However, if you are not familiar with the sky some things may be of great puzzlement; especially the difference in view between the infrared sky views and the visual data.

First off you should know something about the images. All the programs use the same databases, for example the Palomar Deep Sky Survey for visual data, and the IRAS survey for infrared images. There are (very) minor discrepancies in the location and appearance of objects between the three programs due to they way the images are digitized/compressed and stitched together, but they are using exactly same images.

Another thing to remember is that the DSS plates date from 1956-1958 (yes, that's right), and the IRAS images date from 1983. So they reflect the sky situation decades ago. Nonetheless, the sky revealed by these images can be quite astounding.


Take for example this image of a bright, angry looking object in the IR view of Google Sky (right image, also seen in world wide telescope and wiki sky, search on the following coordinates 09:47:27, 13:16:27), absent from the visible light view (left image).

This object is now being touted as comet Elenin, a while ago it was being touted as Nibiru. In fact it is the carbon starCW Leonis (also known as IRC +10216, PK 221+45 1 and the Peanut Nebula). CW Leonis is the brightest object in the 10 μm infrared sky, and well known to experienced observers. But if you are new to the field, it can look quite mysterious.



Now take a look at the object in the left hand image above (this time in Wikisky at 06h 08m 55s, 22 47' 21", you can find it at the same coordinates in Google Sky and WorldWide Telescope). This also has been claimed to represent Nibiru and/or Elenin. It actually looks like a planetary nebula, a bit like the Cats Eye Nebula, however, zooming out reveals its true nature (see image right).

It is an artifact, a vagrant blob of light on those plates, there's a few of them on the larger image (and some edge artifacts from differing exposures between the plates as they stitched the images together, Google sky uses a different approach to compressing the images, so the object and the other artifacts look slightly different). Despite being one of the best instruments of its time, the 48 inch telescope at Palomar Observatory did not always take perfect images.



A nice example is this image near Spica in Virgo, where you can see an image of the primary mirror in the picture just above Spica (the bright star in the target box).

As well, while the Palomar survey was roughly only 99% complete, there are some areas where plates were not of high enough quality (or don't digitize well), some of these blank spots are claimed as "cover-ups", but just represent areas of data loss for one or more reasons.

Similarly, the IRAS survey was not complete (around 96% of the sky), and there are a number of missing frames where images weren't taken, or the images were defective.

So while the virtual telescopes can give us unprecedented views of the sky at multiple wavelengths, what you see can occasionally be difficult to interpret. Before rushing off to claim comets or brown dwarf stars, take a bit of time to become antiquated with astronomical objects, and the characteristics of the images. You may learn something wonderful

[truthseekerdan]

Found this excellent older documentary about the Dogon tribe, and their knowledge about a Dark Star (Sirius B). Enjoy, it is very interesting...

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[truthseekerdan]

Popular Science article from 1936 shows two of the ways our world might come to an end. Artists sketches below show how planets might meet at an overpass and how it might look should a 'runaway planetoid' come crashing into Washington DC. Doesn't the orbit portrayed below look like a potential 'Nibiru' orbit?

http://books.google.com/books?id=QygDAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA52&dq=end%20of%20world&pg=PA52#v=onepage&q=end%20of%20world&f=true

[Hervé]

[...] This object, from my analysis, is quite simply NOT MOVING. It is a part of the background star field and it is LIGHT YEARS away.

Keith

Same for you Keith: I would suggest you read what's in this post # 1046 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Is-it-Comet-Elenin-Is-it-Nibiru-Elenin-Updates.&p=294210&viewfull=1#post294210) in this very thread (click on the bolded blue text to directly go there).

[Hervé]

As for the late Elenin:

From: http://sydneystargazers.com/


7 Days To Go (http://sydneystargazers.com/2011/09/29/7-days-to-go/)•September 29, 2011 •
http://sydneystargazers.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/the-death-of-comet-elenin-2.jpg?w=150&h=145

Comet Elenin has broken up into pieces and unfortunately what this means is that Elenin will not be putting on a show for us at all…..as we predicted several months ago. Since the nucleus of the comet is not intact , comet elenin no longer has a tail.

The pieces of comet Elenin are still following the expected orbit and will pass Earth in just over 2 weeks time at a distance 91 times further away from us than the Moon is. What this means is that depending on the sizes of the fragments, we may or may not be able to see Elenin using high power telescopes.

In 7 days the remains of comet elenin will be in a position high enough above the horizon for us to try and take our next pictures of what ever remains of the comet. We suspect that the remains of the comet will not be large enough for us to see from Earth telescopes…..but we will find out in a week from now.

[teddyc1]

Now let's dispel some of the spells the gloom & doom propagandists are casting all over the place.

{abbreviated for clarity - - Teddy}


In short, our solar system (binary stars plus their respective planets) are dancing around the galactic center describing "travelling ovals."



... therefore:

Never the twain shall meet


Besides the electromagnetic disturbances, the catatrophes that could occur would be from our twin stars shaving each other's Oort clouds:

That's the real danger: Bowling alley fiesta!

FYI: Earth quakes -- for energy conservation, storage capacity and release reasons -- cannot go much higher than 10 on the Richter scale.

However, a fair size asteroid hitting Earth could send the ensuing EQ's magnitude off the charts.[/QUOTE]

{end Amzer Zo quote (above). Below are my comments - Teddy}

So, if i understand you correctly Amzer Zo, correct me if I'm wrong:
1) In the binary star scenario, the 2nd star can never pass between our Sun and the earth

2) The most it can do is increase the meteor showers a whole lot, and possibly some big ones (as in Revelation 8:8)

If that's true, then the earthquakes which coincided with the "elenin" conjunctions, according to the NASA JPL model, might just fit the nuclear/fracking scenario posed by Fulford and commented on this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31059-60-000-Americans-Killed-in-Underground-NWO-Base).

In other words, TPTB/W have been artificially making/enhancing earthquakes in order to 1) bribe certain nations and 2) generate the nibiru fear porn. Does this makes sense - any comments?

[Hervé]

[...]
So, if i understand you correctly Amzer Zo, correct me if I'm wrong:
1) In the binary star scenario, the 2nd star can never pass between our Sun and the earth

2) The most it can do is increase the meteor showers a whole lot, and possibly some big ones (as in Revelation 8:8)

If that's true, then the earthquakes which coincided with the "elenin" conjunctions, according to the NASA JPL model, might just fit the nuclear/fracking scenario posed by Fulford and commented on this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31059-60-000-Americans-Killed-in-Underground-NWO-Base).

In other words, TPTB/W have been artificially making/enhancing earthquakes in order to 1) bribe certain nations and 2) generate the nibiru fear porn. Does this makes sense - any comments?

That's the idea.

[araucaria]

Popular Science article from 1936 shows two of the ways our world might come to an end. Artists sketches below show how planets might meet at an overpass and how it might look should a 'runaway planetoid' come crashing into Washington DC. Doesn't the orbit portrayed below look like a potential 'Nibiru' orbit?

http://books.google.com/books?id=QygDAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA52&dq=end%20of%20world&pg=PA52#v=onepage&q=end%20of%20world&f=true

It probably looks somewhat similar because that is likely the only path such a rare visitor can possibly take - in other words, nothing uncanny, just astronomy I reckon

[teddyc1]

[...]
So, if i understand you correctly Amzer Zo, correct me if I'm wrong:
1) In the binary star scenario, the 2nd star can never pass between our Sun and the earth

2) The most it can do is increase the meteor showers a whole lot, and possibly some big ones (as in Revelation 8:8)

If that's true, then the earthquakes which coincided with the "elenin" conjunctions, according to the NASA JPL model, might just fit the nuclear/fracking scenario posed by Fulford and commented on this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31059-60-000-Americans-Killed-in-Underground-NWO-Base).

In other words, TPTB/W have been artificially making/enhancing earthquakes in order to 1) bribe certain nations and 2) generate the nibiru fear porn. Does this makes sense - any comments?

That's the idea.

Thanks, Amzer Zo.

[onawah]

Is the Mayan Calendar just a calendar?
Yes, but what it signifies is what makes it a very interesting calendar.
For the mathematically minded, this is an interesting explanation.



http://www.tokenrock.com/blogs/Mayas-Completion-The-Astrology-of-the-9th-Wave-1183.html

Maya’s Completion: The Astrology of the 9th Wave
Posted: September 28, 2011
An awakening is taking place upon planet Earth that will forever change the course of our future as a civilization. At long last mankind will begin to fulfill its Divine potential and create a world of peace, prosperity, and ever-increasing achievement. Central to this collective ascent is that human consciousness is evolving in revolutionary fashion. Although darkness blankets the nations a great cosmic truth is dawning: that cycles and order are inherent in Creation and that on October 28th, 2011, as the 9th Wave of the Mayan Calendar completes, humanity will have finally become qualified to receive Cosmic Consciousness.

The Mystery

For millenniums the Mayan priesthood has kept a powerful secret. This secret is encoded within what today is loosely called the Mayan Calendar which the average citizen aptly equates with impending catastrophe. An agenda of insidious design has deceived the populace as to what the true nature of the Mayan Calendar is: a sacred system that reveals the relationship between the evolution of human consciousness and Creation itself.

The Mayan Calendar emerged during what is called the Mayan Classic Period which extended from approximately 250AD to 900AD. During this time the Maya most notably distinguished themselves from neighboring civilizations by conceptualizing two remarkably advanced calendric achievements: the Long Count and the Great Cycle. These concepts form the crux of the Mayan system and permit one to understand the evolutionary nature of Creation since its advent.

The Cycles

The Long Count is in essence a system of cyclical increase which culminates in what is called a Hablatun. The Hablatun is a cornerstone in the Mayan Calendar and it corresponds with what is referred to as a Heaven. A Great Cycle, also known as a Wave or Underworld, consists of 13 Hablatuns, a number that is very sacred to Creation. Furthermore, and of vital importance, exists the Sacred Round, also known as the Tzolkin, which is a 260 day calendar comprised of an interrelating sequence of 13 and 20. It becomes evident upon study that the Maya were intimately aware of the harmony that exists between the cosmos and our Solar System.

Before one can appreciate the synergy between these cycles, one must first understand our own. In doing so we must first travel back to ancient Greece and become acquainted with the work of their finest astronomer, Meton. His namesake graces the Metonic Cycle which is one of our most important cycles and is defined as follows: the number of lunar cycles, otherwise known as lunations, required for a New Moon to return to its exact astronomical point of reference, to the precise degree. Though Meton’s estimations of this cycle are admirable he was disadvantaged by the lack of modern telemetry systems that we enjoy today. His estimation of the lunations required to complete this cycle fell short; he theorized 235 when in truth the count is 260.

The mystery of Maya unravels with Meton. Consider that the length of one lunation is 28 days and that there are 13 such lunations in each Solar Year. If we divide the Metonic Cycle’s lunation count of 260 by 13 we are left with 20, meaning that it takes 20 Solar Years to produce one Metonic Cycle. Our lunisolar math perfectly mirrors that of the Mayan Sacred Round which consists of 13 Tzolkin Trecenta Cycles and 20 Tzolkin Day Cycles which permute to produce 260, the same number of lunations in a Metonic Cycle. The Metonic math parallels the Tzolkin math.

The Reckoning

This connection has remained hidden because the true length of our year has been long corrupted. As was given to the great prophet Enoch by the holy angel Uriel a year is comprised of four equal 90 day quarters which are partitioned by the four equinoxes. The seasons combine for 360 days and when the four equinox days are added the result is an eternally perfect solar year of 364 days. Without dispute we understand a lunar cycle to be a perfect and eternal 28 day period. Wouldn’t the solar cycle also be perfect and eternal? See that 28 by 13 is 364 and not 365! Is Creation not perfect? Has anyone ever lived a partial day?

Mirrored Math

Further correlation can be seen between the lunation count of a Solar Year and the Hablatun count of a Mayan Underworld – mysteriously they are both 13. Further still our seven day week corresponds to the seven day Mayan Creation Cycle. Our 52 week Solar Year matches the length of the 52 year Mayan Calendar Round. Our 13 lunations per Solar Year parallel the 13 Trecenta Cycles in the Sacred Round. The 20 years in our Meton match the 20 Days in the Sacred Round. The 260 lunations in our Meton pair to the 260 Days in the Tzolkin. While the parallels are striking they don’t end here.

Remarkably there is also an extraordinarily synchronistic display that occurs between the sequence of the Metonic Cycle and the aspect ratio between the Mayan Underworlds – they are perfectly equivalent.
The sequential reduction of time between each subsequent Mayan Underworld is always a divisible of 20 and a multiple of 13 which you will recall are the core numbers that formulate the Metonic Cycle. The planets in our Solar System also play their part; our cast of nine compliments the nine Mayan Underworlds. As well, another connection is uncovered, hidden in the synodic cycles of our planets. A synod is the time that elapses between successive planetary conjunctions from our Earthly point of reference. When we sum the mean synods of our planets and divide by the sacred number 13 we arrive at 260, the count of the Mayan Sacred Round.

Universal Alchemy

By far the most staggering parallel that exists between the Mayan Calendar and our own Solar System is revealed when we compare our equinoxes to the Mayan Great Cosmic Cycle. The Great Cosmic Cycle represents the evolution of consciousness from creation to cosmic, from Zero Point to Ninth Wave, as well as a way to measure eternity. The number of this cycle is 819 and its factors are seven, nine, and 13, numbers that correspond to the seven day Creation Cycle, the nine Underworlds, and the 13 Hablatuns. To the Mayans the 819 cycle represented a quadrant of the universe. Naturally, this would mean that their cycle for the entire universe would be 819 by four, leaving us with the sum of 3,276.

Our Solar System’s microcosmic relationship to the universe becomes exceptionally clear when we divide the Mayan Universal Quadrant Cycle of 819 by our Solar Year Quadrant Cycle of 91 – the answer is nine, as in, nine levels of consciousness. When we divide the Mayan Universal Cycle of 3,276 by nine we are left with 364, the precise day count of our reckoned Solar Year. What we are seeing is alchemy on a universal scale, the above being the universe and the below being our Solar System! A rational mind can only be left to conclude that only an unfathomably resplendent power could be conducting such an ineffably majestic celestial symphony. This power is none other than Adonai, the Most High GOD.

Cosmological Constancy

The true nature and operation of the universe has been long contested by the great minds of times past. These minds searched for an irrefutable pattern that could prove that the expansion of the universe is intelligent and orderly, a theory called Cosmological Constancy. I humbly present through my analytical discoveries that Cosmological Constancy not only exists but that it is exemplified by the mathematical correspondences found between the cycles of the Mayan Calendar and the cycles of our Solar System. The synchronicities are undeniable and serve as a testament to the truth that there is order in Creation, Cosmic Order. After all, cosmos is Greek for ‘order.’

October 28th and Beyond

On October 28th, 2011 the world will shift. A deathblow to the false paradigm will be dealt and as it collapses a new, spiritually brilliant civilization will begin to emerge. As these Divine energies cascade throughout our planet profound personal and societal changes will occur. It is important to understand that there is nothing to fear, that the changes should be welcomed, and that fear of these changes will sabotage one’s ability to succeed in the coming world. Now is the time to align with the Order that one may grow instead of dwindle. Now is the time to cast off ways that obstruct ascension that one may embrace the opportunity of enlightenment that dawns. Remember always that the end of the Mayan Calendar is a reason to rejoice!

As sure as there are cycles in the cosmos there are death and rebirth cycles here below. Accept that the death of the world we have known all our lives is a necessary and infinitely beneficial part of the Divine Plan; welcome it wholeheartedly as it leads to the Kingdom of Heaven. As some are more advanced than others now is the time to come together as a human family to help one another through this process. As the dynamics of social power become cosmically aligned new leaders will emerge. Spiritual power will lead to public power, as was always intended. Remember that we must show compassion for those who are maligned because in truth it is only they who will suffer; lead by example. For those who are awake this will be an era of personal and public glory unlike any other where increase will be experienced in all ways, within and without, above and below.

Mother Nature will also prosper as she will begin to be healed and come alive in ways never before seen as a result of this energy. The rise in consciousness will prompt benevolent extraterrestrial intelligences to view humanity as equals instead of subordinates. They will begin to select ambassadors to serve as intermediaries between races. Like all things, diplomacy will soon go cosmic.

My Message to the World

If there were one message I could deliver to the hearts and minds it would be this: look to the Heavens as there is great wisdom there! The life of the cosmos mirrors our life here below. The greatest mystery I have ever discovered unfolds for us all, eternally, each day, perfectly, and invisible to naked the eye. Raise your minds to the celestial sphere and your eyes below will change. You will begin to see perfection in all direction, purpose behind every problem, and opportunities to ascend at every angle. Astrology is the science which enables us to perceive the Order. It is a gift, a treasure, the language that translates above and below. A language kept hidden and ridiculed for long, a language I’ll deliver as sweet as a song. To the best of my ability you will see what I see, my work rests in humility, repeat after me.

In service to Our Father who art in Heaven,

Astrologer Salvador Russo

Copyright © 2011 Salvador Russo. Page at facebook.com/starseedastrology

[Hervé]

Well, this one is over folks...

... the "super-new-moon" is gone...

... ... the "alignment" is gone...


10220


... ... ... the comet's gone to pieces...

So long and thanks for the fish!

[The Truth Is In There]

nothing is over imho. "comet" elenin will continue to play the major role in what's going to happen here on earth during the next 4 weeks. dates to keep in mind are october 18th (in the middle of the "serpent" depicted below) and october 28th (end point).

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/rivar/rivar2011a.jpg

[Muzz]

Havent been following this so sorry if this has already been posted,but thought it was interesting.

NASA ALMOST MISTAKENLY CONFIRMS NIBIRU, AT NEOWISE CONFERENCE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiLI1mp2DxA

[Hervé]

nothing is over imho. "comet" elenin will continue to play the major role in what's going to happen here on earth... [...]

Hi TTIIT, I am curious as to what isn't understandable about that particular one, you know, the 27th Sept. alignment with a cloud of dust, being gone, done and over with?

Unless, of course, one got caught in an endlessly looping time line.

IMO, there is such a thing as accountability when such hype for huge catastrophes being predicted with the chorus of doom & gloom propaganda being repeated over and over from the 90s on... Hale-Bopp... Nibiru 2003... Elenin 27th sept. 2011... I can see it now... it's all in your signature.

[dddanieljjjamesss]

First of all, if you live on the East Coast you can thank me (and I'm sure a few others) for making sure that in this reality paradigm we did not wake up on Sept 28th inundated in water from a tidal wave:cool:

We live in the lucky Universe, where the worst thing we have to worry about is the fear of this **** happening.

As far as I'm concerned, Elenin can kiss my ass. I'm going to continue to thrive and even that ****er Nibiru (if s/he is more than just a Phantom as well) comes at me, I'll turn it into a chance to get a 5D tan ...withOUT tanlines....


what an amazing world this is, amirite?

stay easy guys, this thread (this idea) is toast.