Alternative Contraception advice needed...asap :(

[Patience]

Help!

I am in a real quandry about which contraception to use ....Obviously I want the most natural method possible...but we tried the 'safe times' method and along came baby no3 !! OOps!! I really don't want to pump my body full of hormones but at the same time, I've heard such horrendous stories about the copper coil. I'm too scared to try that now too.

We currently use condoms but they are making me sore as I am very sensitive and also it just doesn't feel very natural :(

Is there any other safe alternative contraception out there??? I am still breast feeding my 1 yr old and will continue to do so until he is ready to stop....unless he's still at it into his 20's ....:p lol...

Many thanks in advance

P xx

[Billy]

Now please be recpectful with your advice avalonians.

I am not sure if there is any safe method. My wife had a coil that was not inserted correctly and caused months of agony until it was removed, after a few years she tried again with a smaller new type of coil, with great success, no disscomfort whatsoever. hope this helps

[Wings]

If you have 3 children and do not want anymore, your partner could have a vasectomy. That would be much much better than you having to pump any hormones into your body, or placing any unnatural items into your body which really do not belong there.

[Lord Sidious]

If you have 3 children and do not want anymore, your partner could have a vasectomy. That would be much much better than you having to pump any hormones into your body, or placing any unnatural items into your body which really do not belong there.

Why not allow the man to take the responsibility for a change?
I think this is the best way.

[king anthony]

Is this topic appropriate for this forum?

[Lord Sidious]

Is this topic appropriate for this forum?

Without a doubt, it is.
There are many here who have good knowledge of ''alternate'' health strategies and may have valuable input.

[Loveisall21]

Hi Patience

A few years back I stumbled upon some information about an herb called wild carrot more commonly known as Queen annes lace that can be used for contraception. You can read about it here http://robinrosebennett.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=28&Itemid=11 and here http://www.sisterzeus.com/qaluse.htm I have no personal experience nor do I know anyone who has but I don't see why nature would not provide us with a natural contraceptive. Sounds like if used correctly it may be a good solution. Good luck to you.

[Tony]

You do seem a fertile lot!
If this a concern for you, it's a concern for me. I shall ponder a little...
Still it's bound to annoy the illuminati, so that's a good thing!!!!

[karelia]

The Lunar way: a female is only fertile when the moon is in the same position as it was on the day she was born. There is probably a lot out there on the net if you search lunar contraception.

[Jayke]

I was having the same issue with my girlfriend, being into all natural health and completely against any kind of unnatural things being put into our bodies we had to find another way. Which there is but it depends how much self control and willingness to change your husband has...if he's up for mastering a new skill and gaining the benefits of increased vitality, longevity and increased passion then he could try learning 'the tao of love and sex' by jolan chang or 'multi orgasmic man' by mantak chia...you'd have to be extra careful at the beginning but once the skill is mastered he'd have complete control over his ejaculation and wouldn't have to worry about losing any of his seed. Hence no chance of pregnancy. I've been practicing it for over half a year now with my girlfriend and it definitely greatly enhances the love life.

[phillipbbg]

I remember reading a medical paper years ago which was researching ways of killing the HIV virus one of the outcomes was that if seaman comes into contact with lemon juice it dies Instantly..... and I think you will find in olden days ...meaning Roman times the ladies of the night used to use lemon juice in some way.....

By the way the HIV study found that lemon juice had the same effect on the virus but the work on how to administer it had to be done and that was how they discovered the special qualities of star anise .....

Just some rabbit holes to look down I am afraid the other alternative is abstain......lol

[Jean-Marie]

After giving birth to my fifth son, my husband went in and had a vasectomy.

[TheVoyager]

I would suggest you to read the fifth chapter of the book Earth, written by Barbara Marciniak.

[TargeT]

I'm on my IPAD so I don't have the specific info, but look up the guy in INdia that made the Male contraceptive, its reversible and 100% effective..

uses negative polarity to *damage* the sperm on their way through the seminal vessels & you can reverse it when ever you want! a simple injection, and its over too, no more "bruised balls" or pain that is often accociated with vicectomies

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The Lunar way: a female is only fertile when the moon is in the same position as it was on the day she was born. There is probably a lot out there on the net if you search lunar contraception.

I don't agree at all, I've seen cycles shift dates at seemingly random, & don't forget about the cycle synchronizing phenomenon....

[karelia]

Yes, cycles can shift or synchronize. It has nothing to do with fertility. It's medical "science" that makes you believe fertility depends on the cycle. That doesn't make it true.

[Wings]

Hi Patience

A few years back I stumbled upon some information about an herb called wild carrot more commonly known as Queen annes lace that can be used for contraception. You can read about it here http://robinrosebennett.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=28&Itemid=11 and here http://www.sisterzeus.com/qaluse.htm I have no personal experience nor do I know anyone who has but I don't see why nature would not provide us with a natural contraceptive. Sounds like if used correctly it may be a good solution. Good luck to you.

One of its actions is as an abortifacient (i.e. brings on an abortion) when taken in large doses. Other herbs also have this action.
Best contraceptive - abstinence (if the female really knows her cycle and the male can control his urges) , or a vasectomy (which can be reversed).

[Sierra]

Patience,

Condoms used to rub me raw as well. I found that the condoms made of lambskin do not hurt (more expensive but so worth it). I used them in tandem with anti-sperm foam (foam well before and after the deed) and did not get pregnant (whew whew whew) ...

Good luck!

Sierra :)

P.S. phillipbbg: Yes the Romans used natural sponges soaked in vinegar for contraception ...

[Wings]

Yes, cycles can shift or synchronize.

A woman monitoring her temperature ought to know then when her cycle has shifted.

[Patience]

Yes, cycles can shift or synchronize.

A woman monitoring her temperature ought to know then when her cycle has shifted.

I'm that fertile I got pregnant while on my period :(

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If you have 3 children and do not want anymore, your partner could have a vasectomy. That would be much much better than you having to pump any hormones into your body, or placing any unnatural items into your body which really do not belong there.

My partner will not entertain the idea of a vasectomy...it's a man thing he says ! And he's the one that steered me down the alternative route in the first place .....tut tut :)

[TargeT]

Yes, cycles can shift or synchronize. It has nothing to do with fertility. It's medical "science" that makes you believe fertility depends on the cycle. That doesn't make it true.
very true, yet another preconceived notion I need to challenge :) thanks for keeping me on track!

Question everything, ALWAYS!

[manny]

discuss with your parnter to have a vasectomy ,its quick and painless.
half a hour job.
if you where to have the same ,i think it would be a a few days to a week for the operation and recovery(not sure).....unless my wife lied to me,so that i would have it done;)
but for a man it is much more easier and quicker.

[dddanieljjjamesss]

I would say a community of support that is willing to help you raise your child is a good fallback plan.
We only want to stop having babies because this world doesn't allow for them to be taken care of.

'It takes a village.'

[TargeT]

discuss with your parnter to have a vasectomy ,its quick and painless.
half a hour job.
if you where to have the same ,i think it would be a a few days to a week for the operation and recovery(not sure).....unless my wife lied to me,so that i would have it done;)
but for a man it is much more easier and quicker.

some men have sever pain.. cutting those "tubes" and cauterizing them is pretty brutal.. I'd prefer the Indian method, a small reversible injection thats good for (apparently) 10 years.

oh yeah, and it costs something something like $5 for the shot (the whole proccess is probably a bit more)
The Revolutionary New Birth Control Method for Men

One Saturday in January 2010, Devendra Deshpande left his home in the Delhi suburbs and drove into the city to get a vasectomy. He was 36 years old, married with two young kids, and he thought it was time.

He arrived at the hospital around midday and met Hem Das, then the hospital’s chief vasectomy surgeon. Das had an interesting question for Deshpande. Rather than receive a traditional vasectomy, would Deshpande like to be part of a clinical trial for a new contraceptive procedure?

Das explained that the new method did not have some of the drawbacks associated with a regular vasectomy. First, sperm would still be able to escape Deshpande’s body normally, which meant he would be free of the pressure and granulomas that sometimes accompany a vasectomy. More important, it could be reversed easily, with a simple follow-up injection.

“I am normally not adventurous when it comes to getting myself operated on,” Deshpande deadpans. But the new method sounded good to him, and according to the published studies he read on his smartphone in the waiting room, it seemed safe. He gave his wife, Vinu, a call, and although she sounded nervous on the phone, she said she was fine with it. Deshpande decided to try the experimental method.

When his turn came, he lay down on the table, and an orderly draped his lower body with a green surgical cloth that covered everything but his scrotum. Then Das moved in with a needle containing a local anesthetic. Once the drug had taken effect, Das gathered a fold of skin, made a puncture, and reached into the scrotum with a fine pair of forceps. He extracted a white tube: the vas deferens, which sperm travel through from the testes to the penis. In a normal vasectomy, Das would have severed the vas, cauterized and tied up the ends, and tucked it all back inside. But rather than snipping, Das took another syringe, delicately slid the needle lengthwise into the vas, and slowly depressed the plunger, injecting a clear, viscous liquid. He then repeated the steps on the other side of the scrotum.

The procedure is known by the clunky acronym RISUG (for reversible inhibition of sperm under guidance), but it is in fact quite elegant: The substance that Das injected was a nontoxic polymer that forms a coating on the inside of the vas. As sperm flow past, they are chemically incapacitated, rendering them unable to fertilize an egg.

If the research pans out, RISUG would represent the biggest advance in male birth control since a clever Polish entrepreneur dipped a phallic mold into liquid rubber and invented the modern condom. “It holds tremendous promise,” says Ronald Weiss, a leading Canadian vasectomy surgeon and a member of a World Health Organization team that visited India to look into RISUG. “If we can prove that RISUG is safe and effective and reversible, there is no reason why anybody would have a vasectomy.”

But here’s the thing: RISUG is not the product of some global pharmaceutical company or state-of-the-art government-funded research lab. It’s the brainchild of a maverick Indian scientist named Sujoy Guha, who has spent more than 30 years refining the idea while battling bureaucrats in his own country and skeptics worldwide. He has prevailed because, in study after study, RISUG has been proven to work 100 percent of the time. Among the hundreds of men who have been successfully injected with the compound so far in clinical trials, there has not been a single failure or serious adverse reaction. The procedure is now in late Phase III clinical trials in India, which means approval in that country could come in as little as two years.

But RISUG is garnering interest beyond India. Every week, Guha’s inbox fills with entreaties from Western men. They’ve heard about RISUG on Internet forums or from occasional mentions in newspaper and magazine articles. Some of them even volunteer to travel to India, offering themselves as lab rats. Guha puts them off gently but politely; for now, the trials are open only to Indian men. Everyone else has to wait. “Our options suck,” fumes one frustrated correspondent, a Florida real estate manager who emailed Guha a few years ago. “I’d gladly put my balls on the chopping block for the benefit of mankind.”

He may yet have that opportunity. Thanks to a novel collaboration between Guha and a San Francisco reproductive health activist, RISUG could soon be on the road to FDA approval in the US.

In both the East and the West, the need for better contraceptives couldn’t be clearer. India will soon surpass China as the world’s most populous nation; in the poorest Indian state, women bear an average of nearly four children. Cheap to produce and relatively easy to administer, RISUG could help poor couples limit their families—increasing their chances of escaping poverty. In the developed countries, it would help relieve women of the risks of long-term birth-control-pill use and give men a more reliable, less annoying option than condoms. About half of all pregnancies in the US are unplanned. Come up with a better contraceptive and the likely results are all good: fewer unwanted kids, fewer single parents, and fewer abortions.

Marooned in the marshes of West Bengal, 20 hours by rail from New Delhi, the small city of Kharagpur is a likelier spot for a prison than for one of the world’s most elite technological institutions. In fact, under the British, it was the site of the notorious Hijli detention camp, where rebel intellectuals were imprisoned. After India’s independence in 1947, Prime Minister Nehru pointedly established the first Indian Institute of Technology on the site; today, a steady stream of recruiters from Microsoft, Sun, and Facebook make pilgrimages to the campus in search of the brightest Indian talent.

Guha was a member of IIT’s fifth entering class, in 1957—attending school where his uncle, a radical writer, had been imprisoned years earlier. After Guha reached retirement age in 2002, he returned to Kharagpur from Delhi. Driving around campus today in his 1967 Fiat sedan, Guha points out buildings that he has reclaimed from the jungle and retrofit with labs and workshops—a kind of rogue operation within the university walls. A former mining department building now serves as a RISUG production facility, where his staff mixes up batches of the polymer used in the procedure.

Besides RISUG, Guha is also developing an artificial heart based not on a human heart but on that of a cockroach, which has 13 chambers. His artificial version has five chambers in its left ventricle, which allows it to step up pressure more gradually, inflicting less stress on the mechanism and materials than a conventional design. In another building on campus, he is raising goats that will eventually receive the experimental hearts.

A birdlike man with clear, olive-toned skin and an elegant manner, Guha seems to have been transported from another century. In a sense, he was: Born in 1940, before independence, he still uses Britishisms like see here and good man. He doesn’t waste oxygen on small talk, so when he does speak you know to listen. Nevertheless, he has a lively sense of humor, and when something amuses him he’ll burst into a delighted, high-pitched laugh. At age 70, he still does not need glasses, which he attributes to his daily eye exercises. Every night, he jogs 2 miles around the IIT campus carrying a rolled-up belt to ward off stray dogs. “Every part of the body must be exercised,” he says.

Guha has a penchant for simple yet profound inventions. As a young graduate student at St. Louis University during the mid-1960s, he devised an electromagnetic pump that had no moving parts; instead, it used the ionic charge of seawater to create force. As he explained to a visiting reporter from Popular Science, his pump could also serve as a silent engine for ships—or nuclear submarines. A version of that electromagnetic “caterpillar drive” is, of course, at the center of the film The Hunt for Red October. As has happened with medical discoveries from penicillin to Viagra, Guha was searching for something entirely different when he stumbled across the idea that became RISUG. In the early 1970s, at the behest of the government, Guha was looking for a way to purify water in rural pumps. Treating the water chemically could be too expensive and infrastructure-dependent; he needed a method that was permanent, safe, and cheap. Then a hotshot young professor at the IIT campus in Delhi, Guha figured out a way to line the pumps with a substance that would kill bacteria without depleting itself.

But the project was never completed. In the mid-1970s, India awoke to its urgent population crisis, and the government’s priorities changed. Guha refocused his work on the field of contraception. He soon realized that the same basic concept could work inside the pumping mechanism of the male anatomy—the vas deferens.

In 1979, when Guha was 39, he published a simple four-page paper that outlined the basic concept of RISUG. He had begun experimenting with a common polymer, called styrene maleic anhydride. The SMA was mixed with a solvent called dimethyl sulfoxide, or DMSO, and injected into the vas deferens of 25 male rats. Each male was placed in a cage with three breeding females. After six months, none of the female rats had become pregnant. (In the control groups, all of the females became pregnant.) Guha and his team also showed that the substance could be flushed out with a simple injection of DMSO. Normal fertility soon returned.

videos and explanations and more here:
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/04/ff_vasectomy/all/1

[Wings]

Yes, cycles can shift or synchronize.

A woman monitoring her temperature ought to know then when her cycle has shifted.

I'm that fertile I got pregnant while on my period :(

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If you have 3 children and do not want anymore, your partner could have a vasectomy. That would be much much better than you having to pump any hormones into your body, or placing any unnatural items into your body which really do not belong there.

My partner will not entertain the idea of a vasectomy...it's a man thing he says ! And he's the one that steered me down the alternative route in the first place .....tut tut :)

Patience, there are always exceptions. Abstinence = a certainty there will be no pregnancy. .... I mean sex was designed to make babies.
Women have also fallen pregnant after their partner has had a vasectomy, and some fall pregnant even when on the contraceptive pill. Other women cannot conceive children period and give up after years of trying - they adopt children and then find themselves unexpectedly pregnant. That's life.

A vasectomy is a fairly good option for some. But it's not for all men. It's one choice of many.

I hope you find a method that works successfully for you.

[Wings]

some men have sever pain.. cutting those "tubes" and cauterizing them is pretty brutal..

Giving birth is far more brutal. Some men need some better perspective.

[Bea]

google the Billings Method.
Developed by a husband and wife (the Billings) team, oh, ages ago. A woman can know when she is fertile and when she is not. More accurate and less time consuming than taking temperature.
A woman's body gives definite signs, we only have to learn what they mean to know how to read them.
It's very simple too.

[phimonic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moFxuKGu7Kg

it's not about contraception, but might be interesting for girls, though

[conk]

My favorite contraceptive is to date ugly women.

[1159]

Take a look at NEEM link to an article (http://www.wisdomofhealing.com/2007/02/24/the-secret-to-safe-and-effective-birth-control/) Neem oil from the neem tree is also one of natures most incredible antibiotics and healers. We use it as a first aid at home and agree with all the claims. Not everyone likes the smell tho!

AS a contraceptive it's one of the 'hidden secrets' the big pharmas don't want you to know about...

[thunder24]

My favorite contraceptive is to date ugly women.

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhahahahahahah. oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaha. lol.
:pound:

[christian]

There is a technique to reverse the sperm flow, reassembling it an using it for spiritual inner alchemical purposes, which properly done, is not only pleasurable, but a natural contraceptive.

It's not about holding back, that doesn't work out and causes suffering, I mean indeed reversing. I found historical accounts of this technique in the legends surrounding the Chinese "Yellow Emperor" Huang Di, who was allegedly taught this by 3 special women in his harem. The Egyptian Ankh Symbol allegedly depicts the enegery flow in the body during the performance of this feat (I got the info from The Flower of Life from Drunvalo Melchizedek), it rises up to the heart chakra, but instead of bursting out through the crown, it goes out of the back, goes above the head and enters from the front back into the heart.

The most popular contempary books about this are from Mantak Chia. Tao of Love is more about the spiritual aspect of it and The Multiorgasmic Man is more "technical".

[Morgaine]

Well I will always remember the wise words of my doctor, "Yes, us Doctors have a term for women who choose to use the rhythm method, we call them "mothers" " ;)

[Darla Ken Pearce]

Before adding my two cents, I will admit fully to a certain bias. As the mother of seven in a strictly male dominated society. I found that husbands can take off and leave you to raise the children without further ado. Not being held accountable and adios! Why should women be also responsible for this part, as well. They shouldn't be ~ let this one be on the males of our society for a change. No women should insert unnatural things, depend upon cycles, or take hormones that can easily damage her body. Let the men take a hit on this one.

The world is afflicted with so much excess testosterone, there are endless wars and competition. Women are not valued and this part must end now. We would have half the children and peace might overtake us if some of these responsibilities were placed where they belong. The division of duties has been out of balance for many decades if not longer. Worst things are in effect right now and it's time men took some of the responsibility in this regard for a change. Sorry, it must be time for my nap! Much love! xoxoxox

[TargeT]

Sorry, it must be time for my nap! Much love! xoxoxox

My ears are red :o

I'm sorry you've been hurt, but it made you who you are so I'm happy your here :)

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Giving birth is far more brutal. Some men need some better perspective.

All feeling is about perspective, how can you judge somone elses perspective and find it lacking when you have an entirely different perspective?

I do not look at a person in pain and think "ah, what a baby, <insert painful event> is much worse"...

haha, maybe its time for my nap too!