Formal Request for help, to All Enlightened Beings.

[Tony]

A formal request for help.

O Enlightened beings dwelling in the ten direction, compassionate, all-knowing, loving protectors of all sentient beings, come to this place (Earth) by the power of your compassion.

O Compassionate Ones, be a refuge to us, (beings of Earth), who have no refuge, protect us, defend us, keep us from the great darkness of the great hurricane of karma.

O Compassionate Ones, do not let your compassion be small, do not forget your former vows but quickly send out the power of your compassion. Do not let sentient beings fall into the power of evil karma.

We supplicate you, may all obstacles be defeated.

An Avalon Member

[christian]

pray in solitude and silence

Why did Jesus single out prayer, fasting, and almsgiving for his disciples? The Jews considered these three as the cardinal works of the religious life.

These were seen as the key signs of a pious person, the three great pillars on which the good life was based. Jesus pointed to the heart of the matter.

Why do you pray, fast, and give alms? To draw attention to yourself so that others may notice and think highly of you? Or to give glory to God?

The Lord warns his disciples of self-seeking glory – the preoccupation with looking good and seeking praise from others. True piety is something more than feeling good or looking holy. True piety is loving devotion to God.

It is an attitude of awe, reverence, worship and obedience. It is a gift and working of the Holy Spirit that enables us to devote our lives to God with a holy desire to please him in all things (Isaiah 11:1-2).

http://www.talesfromthecenobite.net/2011/01/pray-in-solitude-and-in-silence.html

I put no head above my own, I don't ask anyone for something, which I can take responsiblity for by myself, I work with all the other beings, not under them and I surely won't get at them like "O dear mighty soandso". I say "let's get it on folks", one for all, all for one.

[Tony]

pray in solitude and silence

Why did Jesus single out prayer, fasting, and almsgiving for his disciples? The Jews considered these three as the cardinal works of the religious life.

These were seen as the key signs of a pious person, the three great pillars on which the good life was based. Jesus pointed to the heart of the matter.

Why do you pray, fast, and give alms? To draw attention to yourself so that others may notice and think highly of you? Or to give glory to God?

The Lord warns his disciples of self-seeking glory – the preoccupation with looking good and seeking praise from others. True piety is something more than feeling good or looking holy. True piety is loving devotion to God.

It is an attitude of awe, reverence, worship and obedience. It is a gift and working of the Holy Spirit that enables us to devote our lives to God with a holy desire to please him in all things (Isaiah 11:1-2).

http://www.talesfromthecenobite.net/2011/01/pray-in-solitude-and-in-silence.html

I put no head above my own, I don't ask anyone for something, which I can take responsiblity for by myself, I work with all the other beings, not under them and I surely won't get at them like "O dear mighty soandso". I say "let's get it on folks", one for all, all for one.

It does no harm to politely ask. It is a good wish, a prayer.

[crosby]

i agree pie, there is no bad intent to ask politely for help. it is a collective effort that needs to come from more than just one person though. so i am asking with you.
warmest regards, corson

[Tony]

Dear Chiquetet,
Thanks you for your concern, but it's quite all right as I am not a Christian.
Supplication is part of my tradition, as is prostrations, it's a aid against pride.

[Tony]

i agree pie, there is no bad intent to ask politely for help. it is a collective effort that needs to come from more than just one person though. so i am asking with you.
warmest regards, corson

Carson, I cannot thank you enough! ( I originally ended it, Avalon Members, but was asked to remove it in case it offended others. This was right of course, but as you can see some people are extra touchy!)

[Tony]

Formal request to meet with Pleiadians,

We need help in turning the consciousness of this planet around. We have been imprisoned and in darkness for too long. We realise that we are here due to our mistaken views of reality, but there are forces here that are against us waking up. We need your help in arousing others to see what is being done to them. This is truly an unfair situation. If the so-called rulers of this planet are allowed to have their way, this will create untold suffering in the universe, which will take aeons to exhaust.

Now is the time for change, before fear grips this planet. We need to know, you know, and will help.

I look forward to meeting you.

Tony

[<8>]

Darnit pie "n" eal.... Now you made me cry! (thank you)

[Tony]

Darnit pie "n" eal.... Now you made me cry! (thank you)

I've done a lot of that recently.

[The One]

..............................................

[Ian Gordon]

Pie "n" eal, fully agree we all need to ask politely for help (perhaps a collective meditation to magnify the message!!) I was also wondering how we get the message out there, as I was walking round our local shopping centre at the weekend and it struck me how many are still asleep and unaware, yet those who when prompted will stir, we need to give people the opportunity to use there free will to chose to let go of fear.
The timeline I dont want to end up with is where the majority are kept in the dark by the elite and the collective concesness is tainted by too many inputs not based in free will, that could result in a rough ride IMHO.

[Tony]

Dear One,
Thank you for the vision of more hysterical toys.

[phillipbbg]

Fully agree with asking and the power of praying with hands together is more powerful than one can imagine.... But I do think we are being a touch arrogant with these words in the prayer.... do not forget your former vows such a human failing at times.....

We sometimes forget our manners.....:o

[markoid]

I think your request is compassionate in intent, and the beings you address are compassion 'personified', you are them and they are you... it's all good far as I can see.

[The One]

Dear One,
Thank you for the vision of more hysterical toys.

Your welcome i am obviously in the wrong thread

[Tony]

Pie "n" eal, fully agree we all need to ask politely for help (perhaps a collective meditation to magnify the message!!) I was also wondering how we get the message out there, as I was walking round our local shopping centre at the weekend and it struck me how many are still asleep and unaware, yet those who when prompted will stir, we need to give people the opportunity to use there free will to chose to let go of fear.
The timeline I dont want to end up with is where the majority are kept in the dark by the elite and the collective concesness is tainted by too many inputs not based in free will, that could result in a rough ride IMHO.

We seem to be caught in a collective dream.. .all we need is a nudge to wake up.

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Fully agree with asking and the power of praying with hands together is more powerful than one can imagine.... But I do think we are being a touch arrogant with these words in the prayer.... do not forget your former vows such a human failing at times.....

We sometimes forget our manners.....:o

The word style is taken from a Tibetan prayer. It is not at all arrogant, this is just a cultural difference.

[ktlight]

pie'n'eal
David Icke has created a movement where everybody, he requests, "please focus on your heart and breathe slowly until you feel the energy starting to build in the centre of your chest and then direct that energy at the picture with the intent sharing the energy of the heart with whatever the image represents.

Know that as you do so at 9.30pm UK time every day you are joining with hearts across the world in love, peace and harmony.

We have the power. We are the power.

Thank-you,

David"

We could all organise to participate at that time with you and David. The power of like thought could be enormous. The same picture could be in each mind. Prayer is prayer.



9.30pm every evening.

[Tony]

It is interesting how quick we are to judge without first asking questions. Projecting one own values onto another is not at all justified.
Why the continuing strife? I'm just trying something which might produce a higher vibration, this is not showing off!

I supplicate every day, this does no harm to anyone. With devotion came blessings, this is natural.

Please stop trying to break up this thread.

[christian]

There are many benevolent beings and help is given from them and can be given increasingly, if you ask for it, allow it and appreciate it. - I appreciate this thread, cause it reminds people of that.

But I feel that as much as possible should be done without someone else stepping in to do the job to maximize the learning effect.


there is no bad intent to ask politely for help.

Asking for help is one thing, lack of taking self-responsibility another, let me illustrate that:


O Enlightened beings dwelling in the ten direction, compassionate, all-knowing, loving protectors of all sentient beings, come to this place (Earth) by the power of your compassion.

We are all one, there is no one out there more all-knowing than the divine spark inside everyone. We are all protectors of all sentient beings, it's only that some recognize that responsibility and some don't. On top of that, grovelling does not appeal to spiritual evolved beings.


O Compassionate Ones, be a refuge to us, (beings of Earth), who have no refuge, protect us, defend us, keep us from the great darkness of the great hurricane of karma.

We have a refuge, we were never really disconnected from the Source, so your wish is already fulfilled. This is also all protection and denfense one could ask for and no one will release you from the wheel of karma other than yourself.


O Compassionate Ones, do not let your compassion be small, do not forget your former vows but quickly send out the power of your compassion. Do not let sentient beings fall into the power of evil karma.

Work on your own karma, empower yourself.
Reminding benevolent beings of being compassionate is like reminding the sun to shine.
But how about "thanks for all the help and inspiration, that is very much loved and appreciated"?


Dear Chiquetet,
Thanks you for your concern, but it's quite all right as I am not a Christian.

I don't understand that, I'm not a Christian and I don't know what that's got to do with it, I enjoy reading the Nazarene's word without buying into 'Christianity'.


Supplication is part of my tradition, as is prostrations, it's a aid against pride.

I figure in duality subservience and pride are two sides of one coin, it's getting from one extreme to the other, break out of it.
You want to be without pride?
So be it, grab it at its root.

[Tony]

To give the positive spin first:
There are many benevolent beings and help is given from them and can be given increasingly, if you ask for it, allow it and appreciate it. But I feel that as much as possible should be done without someone else stepping in to do the job to maximize the learning effect.


there is no bad intent to ask politely for help.

Asking for help is one thing, lack of taking self-responsibility another, let me illustrate that:


O Enlightened beings dwelling in the ten direction, compassionate, all-knowing, loving protectors of all sentient beings, come to this place (Earth) by the power of your compassion.

We are all one, there is no one out there more all-knowing than the divine spark inside everyone. We are all protectors of all sentient beings, it's only that some recognize that responsibility and some don't. On top of that, grovelling does not appeal to spiritual evolved beings.


O Compassionate Ones, be a refuge to us, (beings of Earth), who have no refuge, protect us, defend us, keep us from the great darkness of the great hurricane of karma.

We have a refuge, we were never really disconnected from the Source, so your wish is already fulfilled. This is also all protection and denfense one could ask for and no one will release you from the wheel of karma other than yourself.


O Compassionate Ones, do not let your compassion be small, do not forget your former vows but quickly send out the power of your compassion. Do not let sentient beings fall into the power of evil karma.

Work on your own karma, empower yourself.
Reminding benevolent beings of being compassionate is like reminding the sun to shine.
But how about "thanks for all the help and inspiration, that is very much loved and appreciated"?


Dear Chiquetet,
Thanks you for your concern, but it's quite all right as I am not a Christian.

I don't understand that, I'm not a Christian and I don't know what that's got to do with it, I enjoy reading the Nazarene's word without buying into 'Christianity'.


Supplication is part of my tradition, as is prostrations, it's a aid against pride.

I figure in duality subservience and pride are two sides of one coin, it's getting from one extreme to the other, break out of it.
You want to be without pride?
So be it, grab it at its root.

WHY, OH WHY, DO YOU DO THIS ON EVERY THREAD? WHY DO YOU LAY IT WAIT TO TEAR THREADS APART.
This was written with good intent. Chiquitet I just do not understand your motivations.
Why are you so antagonistic?

[Lord Sidious]

Great, more s**tfights.
Are you guys sure you are enlightened?
Why do egos need to upset the applecart so often?
Wind your heads in, or the carrots come out.
Nuggets, as far as the eye can see.

[Tarka the Duck]

pray in solitude and silence

Why did Jesus single out prayer, fasting, and almsgiving for his disciples? The Jews considered these three as the cardinal works of the religious life.

These were seen as the key signs of a pious person, the three great pillars on which the good life was based. Jesus pointed to the heart of the matter.

Why do you pray, fast, and give alms? To draw attention to yourself so that others may notice and think highly of you? Or to give glory to God?

The Lord warns his disciples of self-seeking glory – the preoccupation with looking good and seeking praise from others. True piety is something more than feeling good or looking holy. True piety is loving devotion to God.

It is an attitude of awe, reverence, worship and obedience. It is a gift and working of the Holy Spirit that enables us to devote our lives to God with a holy desire to please him in all things (Isaiah 11:1-2).

http://www.talesfromthecenobite.net/2011/01/pray-in-solitude-and-in-silence.html

I put no head above my own, I don't ask anyone for something, which I can take responsiblity for by myself, I work with all the other beings, not under them and I surely won't get at them like "O dear mighty soandso". I say "let's get it on folks", one for all, all for one.


I apologise for being a little dense - could you please explain more clearly what you are saying here? I am not sure I understand about the references to Christianity as I recognise these supplications to be in the style of Tibetan Buddhism.
Thanks
Tarka

[phillipbbg]

Please except my apology pie'n'eal I was not criticising your intent or actions, and thank's for the correction as to the Tibetan grammatical intent..

[Tarka the Duck]

Fully agree with asking and the power of praying with hands together is more powerful than one can imagine.... But I do think we are being a touch arrogant with these words in the prayer.... do not forget your former vows such a human failing at times.....

We sometimes forget our manners.....:o

Sorry...not understanding yet again...:o What are these former vows you refer to?
Thanks
Tarka

[Tony]

Great, more s**tfights.
Are you guys sure you are enlightened?
Why do egos need to upset the applecart so often?
Wind your heads in, or the carrots come out.
Nuggets, as far as the eye can see.

This is obviously something we have to address, if not I shall have to leave.
Discussion is a valid aspect of being human, but intentionally spoiling threads is something else.

[Tony]

Fully agree with asking and the power of praying with hands together is more powerful than one can imagine.... But I do think we are being a touch arrogant with these words in the prayer.... do not forget your former vows such a human failing at times.....

We sometimes forget our manners.....:o

Sorry...not understanding yet again...:o What are these former vows you refer to?
Thanks
Tarka

These are Bodhisattva vows taken to care for all sentient beings. I take this vow every morning, and it is truly put to the test when writing on this forum. So be it.

[The One]

This is obviously something we have to address, if not I shall have to leave.
Discussion is a valid aspect of being human, but intentionally spoiling threads is something else

I urge you not to leave my friend.Your input is valuable.If you need to leave just have a break and come back

Hope you stay around

xxxxxxxxxxx

[Lord Sidious]

Great, more s**tfights.
Are you guys sure you are enlightened?
Why do egos need to upset the applecart so often?
Wind your heads in, or the carrots come out.
Nuggets, as far as the eye can see.

This is obviously something we have to address, if not I shall have to leave.
Discussion is a valid aspect of being human, but intentionally spoiling threads is something else.

I know how you feel, truly I do.
The nuggetry gets to me at times too.
Just use the report button and get the troublemakers binned, otherwise we have two things happen, they win and the good quality posters leave.
Then the forum is less than it was.

[Fred Steeves]

One could just ignore opinions they don't like. One could also playfully engage, in good faith that both people are well meaning. In my neighborhood the game of "last word" is considered rather juvenile.

Cheers,
Fred

[greybeard]

It was a great relief to find out that I dont have to be right.
Chris

[greybeard]

Hi Tony
I have the spiritual intention of "Being kind to all life including my own no matter what"
That suggestion comes from the teachings of Dr David Hawkins who was a Buddhist in former lives.
He is in the state of enlightenment where he could leave this earth, he has permission (nonverbal) to do so.
Its a knowing.
In my understanding this is a true Bodhisattva
He still serves mankind through his talks (free mostly) and books.
He is is probably 85 and still going strong.

Tony my friend sometimes you can try too hard.
Those who are ready hear.

Regards Chris

Tony said

These are Bodhisattva vows taken to care for all sentient beings. I take this vow every morning, and it is truly put to the test when writing on this forum. So be it.

[dan i el]

Nice prayers, Tony. Appreciated. Illegitimi non carborundum- it's not worth it.

[pickle]

Ey up Tony,

In these places we that we like to gather - these virtual meeting places, we'll always meet others that rattle our cage - whether or not they intend to, whether or not they are right or wrong in our opinion.

Your good thoughts that were intended whilst making this thread are important - to enough people to make a difference for the good. Your efforts in trying to make a difference are greatly appreciated.

I talk to (my own interpretation of) the Great Spirit every night, I talk to whoever will listen to me when I'm star-gazing and feeling homesick, to help and guide us to make this a better place, to help us (well, me anyway ;-) to connect with our higher selves so that we can do more. If this is wrong of me, and I get hit by a lightning bolt, I'll let you know ;)

Keep it up!


Peace,

Pickle

[christian]

pray in solitude and silence

Why did Jesus single out prayer, fasting, and almsgiving for his disciples? The Jews considered these three as the cardinal works of the religious life.

These were seen as the key signs of a pious person, the three great pillars on which the good life was based. Jesus pointed to the heart of the matter.

Why do you pray, fast, and give alms? To draw attention to yourself so that others may notice and think highly of you? Or to give glory to God?

The Lord warns his disciples of self-seeking glory – the preoccupation with looking good and seeking praise from others. True piety is something more than feeling good or looking holy. True piety is loving devotion to God.

It is an attitude of awe, reverence, worship and obedience. It is a gift and working of the Holy Spirit that enables us to devote our lives to God with a holy desire to please him in all things (Isaiah 11:1-2).

http://www.talesfromthecenobite.net/2011/01/pray-in-solitude-and-in-silence.html

I put no head above my own, I don't ask anyone for something, which I can take responsiblity for by myself, I work with all the other beings, not under them and I surely won't get at them like "O dear mighty soandso". I say "let's get it on folks", one for all, all for one.


I apologise for being a little dense - could you please explain more clearly what you are saying here? I am not sure I understand about the references to Christianity as I recognise these supplications to be in the style of Tibetan Buddhism.
Thanks
Tarka

Buddha said "don't believe books, teachers, rites or even me but only what you found out to be good for you" - So I guess a true buddhist by definition doesn't care about particular traditions, I really don't want to denigrate you or Tibetan Buddhism.

Prayers are a powerful tool and should be done on a mass scale. But you don't have to meet at a certain time at a certain place with people to start a prayer, it works just as well if everyone does it alone. Doing it alone is maybe a better environment to practice it, I feel. Praising something is giving power away to something else, I figure man should empower himself, not in an arrogant way, but recognizing that he is a co-creator, thank in prayers for his blessings and the help he got in the past and ask for continued cooperation in the future. A prayer saying "You are so great, I am not, please do stuff for me" feels unfortunate to me and publishing it may spur others to do the same, that's why I wrote my clarification, although people can think or rather feel for themselves of course, I won't tell you how to pray, I merely want to share my insights.

I'm not saying Pineal published his prayer to 'look good', just for the record, I appreciate this thread, as I said, I believe he means really well, I just want to broaden the overall perspective on prayers.

It doesn't matter, if this was allegedly said by 'Jesus' or by anyone else, it just resonates with me, I just like to quote to emphasize the fact that virtually everything has been thought and said before and it's all a big remembering and re-exploring.

[greybeard]

Think we have to be easy on ourselves and all others
This was fundamentally a conspiracy web site and now it is attracting more and more people interested in discovering spiritual truth that they can personally resonate with.
I am very pleased about this.
There are of course some who as yet only have a slight glimpse, a thought, that there is more to life than pursuing the enemy out there, the powers that be.
Even a small glimpse is great, but it is I suspect, unsettling to people to come from a small glimpse to the full knowledge of Tony who has studied for years.

The ego kicks and screams ----smiling.
Been there done it and its still work in progress.

Regards Chris

[christian]

WHY, OH WHY, DO YOU DO THIS ON EVERY THREAD? WHY DO YOU LAY IT WAIT TO TEAR THREADS APART.
This was written with good intent. Chiquitet I just do not understand your motivations.
Why are you so antagonistic?

This makes me laugh my friend.

I don't know why you are so mad at me, what I wrote was meant to enhance the spectrum of ideas and insights in here. I cannot believe that what I wrote simply reads like "you are stupid" to you, for it was meant as an inspiration. Do my words make no sense to you whatsoever? Do you think my comments on prayer in general and yours in particular are totally mislead and I really just attack you for no reason? That would be strange indeed, actually I have no fun in such things, I speak my truth, sometimes like stirring up the sea in which others are sailing, but that should make folks good sailors I figure.

I appreciate this thread, I said that before, I know it came out of good intentions, I believe you have a good heart. But you know which road is also said to be paved with good intentions, right? I'm not tearing threads apart, I'm not antagonizing you, I'm not against anyone in here, I just mean to stimulate you and everyone else.

[zebowho]

The ego really gets hung up on semantics, whether we believe in "others" or "each other", this also includes a book, a talk or a thought, the fact still remains (in that moment of personal prayer) we stand united and with THAT power we can accomplish everything.

[shijo]

There are four vows a bodhisattva takes when embarking upon the way,they are, to save innumerable living beings,to eradicate countless earthly desires,to master immeasurable Buddhist teachings, and to attain the supreme enlightenment.Devoting oneself to this task is at times painful at times sorrowful, and at other times supremely joyful, a joy beyond imagination....

[Darla Ken Pearce]

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[Ian Gordon]

The Devil is in the detail,some say and perhaps we all have to be gracious in our communication especially when written as it often can be read with different slants than those intended.
I have not studied far and wide but know what resonates with me ......an essence of free will I suppose. I also know I have much to learn and a desire for answers and an impatiences. Tony your views and thoughts are valued by myself and others I am sure, Chiquetet your yang to Tony's yin is equally important, and I understand the essences that we all need to be our own guru's. We are at differing stages and individual paths, which have converged on this forum. I believe that as we have met in this place we have all got lessons to learn and things to teach, many lessons will not be realised until we venture further.
I have learnt from this thread....one thing is to remember to ensure what I express is given with love and what is recieved is accepted with gratitude and the knowledge that it has made me grow.
So no matter what has gone on before and what may happen in the future dont stop the input...................Time for a team hug guys and girls
love and light

[<8>]

A few words from Gregg Braden about what happends when we "togther" send out a feeling (love or fear) Or to i dare to say prayer on this thread?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXRmmD5hy9E


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGvAokf_RnI&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqb2UWN6PiM&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmCm7-BZyso&feature=related

"LOOK AT THIS SITE"
The Global Consciousness Project
Meaningful Correlations in Random Data.
http://noosphere.princeton.edu/home_bottom3.html

[sshenry]

A formal request for help.

O Enlightened beings dwelling in the ten direction, compassionate, all-knowing, loving protectors of all sentient beings, come to this place (Earth) by the power of your compassion.

O Compassionate Ones, be a refuge to us, (beings of Earth), who have no refuge, protect us, defend us, keep us from the great darkness of the great hurricane of karma.

O Compassionate Ones, do not let your compassion be small, do not forget your former vows but quickly send out the power of your compassion. Do not let sentient beings fall into the power of evil karma.

We supplicate you, may all obstacles be defeated.

An Avalon Member

Sweeheart - we ARE the enlightened beings. Or at least we have the power to become enlightened. All we have to do is open our eyes and see things the way they really are.

We don't need saviors - no one can save us but ourselves. We need to become our own saviors and shed the light of awareness into our own hearts so that the knowing can be shared with everyone around us.

But you already know that :)

[DeDukshyn]

Just my 2 cents on the act of prayer - a simplified version ...

When I pray, I am sending out a vibrational quality of an expressed void. If I can do that with high enough quality, confidence and without ego (for the highest good I can't even imagine), those vibrations will flow up from my spirit through my soul and into Source. If my vibration is pure (or sometimes not even - just strongly adament or confident), Source will recognize the vibrational void I created and seek to balance it. This is how prayer works. You don't need to pray to someone or something, just need to know how the universe works. But one should also keep in mind that the quality of their prayer is extremely important! Ever heard the saying "careful what you pray for ... you just might get it."? Which refers to the fact that how you get things may not be what you want. If you pray for a new car, you just might get it, after writing of your existing one in an accident where you break your legs! Hey, you prayed for a new car, and you got it. That's why praying for anything the for the higher good is what you want not petty things like "cars". How one prays is more important than the prayer itself - The Universe is listening .... and prayer is really only about the individual doing the praying - it is his/her own power to influence the finer vibrations in the Universe that makes prayers effective, but most never realize this part of the process. Since feelings are a stronger and more raw form of vibration than words are, prayers also should be done with feeling, to be properly effective - to get that vibrational void known - so it may be fullfilled. In my opinion, the pipeline for conscious creation is the same as the one for prayer - they both follow the same vibrational mechanics... my 2 cents. ;)

[Rocky_Shorz]

8 you are funny, alternative community doesn't mean alternative belief...

nothing changes, just an understanding of others beliefs also


if someone said spinning in circles is a great way to find God, I might try it until I fell over, and pray for my head to stop spinning so I can stand... ;)

[dan i el]

8 you are funny, alternative community doesn't mean alternative belief...

nothing changes, just an understanding of others beliefs also


if someone said spinning in circles is a great way to find God, I might try it until I fell over, and pray for my head to stop spinning so I can stand... ;)


if you get too dizzy, immediately spin the other way..eg. clockwise if initially spinning counter clockwise or vice versa.. the dizzyness is quickly dispelled. try it, it works.

[Rocky_Shorz]

I'm trying it on the neighbors kid right now....

hang on...

still going...

weebling, Doh almost lost it...

reversing direction...


bammmm...


nope didn't work... lol

[Pony Express]

I've been giving thought to how I should make my first post. This thread about prayer will do nicely, I think, for I may not post again. Actually, I lied when I created my Avalon profile. My username indicates a man, but I'm a woman. It says I am 54, but I'm actually 72. I've seen much, lived much. Most of what I read here I identify closely with, for I have experienced a lot of it myself.

The reason I may not post again is because I am much like you, but also much different. I believe in God, but not in Yahweh. I possess a Door, through which I go forward in my life. I would say it's Jesus, but that relationship is something so different from what I hear people say, it would be misleading. I feel Awakening. but it's such a quiet Voice, such a private Gift, it's almost impossible to speak about.

There is much suffering at this site, much angst and uncertainty. But there is also much bravery. Many of us have been lied to all of our lives, haven't we? And it takes so much courage to turn off the path in search of the "Why?" I'm very blessed. The man who is my rock has been there for me for the past 54 years. We have awakened together.

My Awakening began by accident. I was raised in an unkind, Fundamentalist home. I never knew where I was or what to do, only that I was very unhappy. Several years ago, on a blog (Information ClearingHouse) that really had nothing to do with spiritual matters at all, someone made a post: "If you want to see where the Plan for Total Domination all began, read Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed." I did, and it changed my life. Step by step, that shocking awareness led me to this post today. I'm sorry I lied, but I was afraid to speak, lest I be ridiculed or called foolish.

I wish everyone well. Never be afraid to trust the Voice that speaks softly. It's your Friend.

[dan i el]

It does work, Rocky. Try it. huhu

[Tigressa]

Pie I think that your intent here is beautiful. You sound like you are going through a difficult time atm, feeling emotional and a little hopeless. Many of us feel like that sometimes and I don't think any unconditionally loving beings would not listen to us because that is so. It's makes us a little denser and harder to contact, but ask and you shall receive, right?

Chiquetet, I actually quite agree with your points, but I didn't care for the cavalier and rather pot stirring way in which you approached Pie's lovely prayer. It was a bit disrespectful to his intent and made me question your own intent when answering. Do you want to be right or do you want to be loved?

[Lord Sidious]

8 you are funny, alternative community doesn't mean alternative belief...

nothing changes, just an understanding of others beliefs also


if someone said spinning in circles is a great way to find God, I might try it until I fell over, and pray for my head to stop spinning so I can stand... ;)

You been talking to the sufis?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Cf-ZxDfZA


I've been giving thought to how I should make my first post. This thread about prayer will do nicely, I think, for I may not post again. Actually, I lied when I created my Avalon profile. My username indicates a man, but I'm a woman. It says I am 54, but I'm actually 72. I've seen much, lived much. Most of what I read here I identify closely with, for I have experienced a lot of it myself.

The reason I may not post again is because I am much like you, but also much different. I believe in God, but not in Yahweh. I possess a Door, through which I go forward in my life. I would say it's Jesus, but that relationship is something so different from what I hear people say, it would be misleading. I feel Awakening. but it's such a quiet Voice, such a private Gift, it's almost impossible to speak about.

There is much suffering at this site, much angst and uncertainty. But there is also much bravery. Many of us have been lied to all of our lives, haven't we? And it takes so much courage to turn off the path in search of the "Why?" I'm very blessed. The man who is my rock has been there for me for the past 54 years. We have awakened together.

My Awakening began by accident. I was raised in an unkind, Fundamentalist home. I never knew where I was or what to do, only that I was very unhappy. Several years ago, on a blog (Information ClearingHouse) that really had nothing to do with spiritual matters at all, someone made a post: "If you want to see where the Plan for Total Domination all began, read Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed." I did, and it changed my life. Step by step, that shocking awareness led me to this post today. I'm sorry I lied, but I was afraid to speak, lest I be ridiculed or called foolish.

I wish everyone well. Never be afraid to trust the Voice that speaks softly. It's your Friend.

I would prefer that you stay and post more, I would like to see what you have to say.
And I agree, Douglas Reed is a great author.
Did you read his other stuff?

[Isthatso]

Hi Pony Express,

Thanks for posting and telling us a little about yourself. To me age is but a number of the physical body....we're all eternal really, well hopefully! I'm 42... but forever 27 in my mind for some reason.

I think everyone here adds to the collective and yes it can get a bit heated but we all sure do learn a lot!

I hope you stay and contribute further.

Warm wishes to all

[Tane Mahuta]

A formal request for help.



Hi Pie, I to agree, but first we must help ourselves, I believe it to be part of our(the human race) graduation into a higher being/existence.

[ViralSpiral]

Lunar phase on 15 July 2011 Friday is Full Moon.

http://lunaf.com/images/moon-phases/lunar_phase_15.jpg




Lets be kind to one another.


I build a lighted house and therein dwell.

[pharoah21]

pray in solitude and silence

Why did Jesus single out prayer, fasting, and almsgiving for his disciples? The Jews considered these three as the cardinal works of the religious life.

These were seen as the key signs of a pious person, the three great pillars on which the good life was based. Jesus pointed to the heart of the matter.

Why do you pray, fast, and give alms? To draw attention to yourself so that others may notice and think highly of you? Or to give glory to God?

The Lord warns his disciples of self-seeking glory – the preoccupation with looking good and seeking praise from others. True piety is something more than feeling good or looking holy. True piety is loving devotion to God.

It is an attitude of awe, reverence, worship and obedience. It is a gift and working of the Holy Spirit that enables us to devote our lives to God with a holy desire to please him in all things (Isaiah 11:1-2).

http://www.talesfromthecenobite.net/2011/01/pray-in-solitude-and-in-silence.html

I put no head above my own, I don't ask anyone for something, which I can take responsiblity for by myself, I work with all the other beings, not under them and I surely won't get at them like "O dear mighty soandso". I say "let's get it on folks", one for all, all for one.


I apologise for being a little dense - could you please explain more clearly what you are saying here? I am not sure I understand about the references to Christianity as I recognise these supplications to be in the style of Tibetan Buddhism.
Thanks
Tarka

Buddha said "don't believe books, teachers, rites or even me but only what you found out to be good for you" - So I guess a true buddhist by definition doesn't care about particular traditions, I really don't want to denigrate you or Tibetan Buddhism.

Prayers are a powerful tool and should be done on a mass scale. But you don't have to meet at a certain time at a certain place with people to start a prayer, it works just as well if everyone does it alone. Doing it alone is maybe a better environment to practice it, I feel. Praising something is giving power away to something else, I figure man should empower himself, not in an arrogant way, but recognizing that he is a co-creator, thank in prayers for his blessings and the help he got in the past and ask for continued cooperation in the future. A prayer saying "You are so great, I am not, please do stuff for me" feels unfortunate to me and publishing it may spur others to do the same, that's why I wrote my clarification, although people can think or rather feel for themselves of course, I won't tell you how to pray, I merely want to share my insights.

I'm not saying Pineal published his prayer to 'look good', just for the record, I appreciate this thread, as I said, I believe he means really well, I just want to broaden the overall perspective on prayers.

It doesn't matter, if this was allegedly said by 'Jesus' or by anyone else, it just resonates with me, I just like to quote to emphasize the fact that virtually everything has been thought and said before and it's all a big remembering and re-exploring.

Given that you are using Christian teaching, thought I'd share this with you - "For where two or three gather together as my followers, I am there among them." Matthew 18:20

[christian]

Chiquetet, I actually quite agree with your points, but I didn't care for the cavalier and rather pot stirring way in which you approached Pie's lovely prayer. It was a bit disrespectful to his intent and made me question your own intent when answering. Do you want to be right or do you want to be loved?

Funny question, thanks for asking, I don't ask these questions to myself, I seek truth, on the way I must necessarily be proven wrong regularly and I appreciate folks who are genuinely challenging and stimulating me, meeting such folks is among the greatest blessings I can imagine, Avalon is a good place to look out for those, I figure.

I don't want to be loved, I am loved by the great spirit / Godhead, just as all-that-is is being loved. This is True Love and everything else that is dubbed 'love' these days seems rather petty to me.

I'm in this world, but not of this world, where I come from it is perfectly fine to speak out, for it is never taken personally, the intent to stimulate each other is taken for granted and always appreciated. I know that here on the earth plane people might be somewhat sensitive, but I figure being overconcerned about that just helps to perpetuate it. That's why I treat my fellow humans like decent unoffendable stalwart guardians of Mother Earth, like true knights of absolute love and they will eventually become so more and more.

[pickle]

I've been giving thought to how I should make my first post. This thread about prayer will do nicely, I think, for I may not post again. Actually, I lied when I created my Avalon profile. My username indicates a man, but I'm a woman. It says I am 54, but I'm actually 72. I've seen much, lived much. Most of what I read here I identify closely with, for I have experienced a lot of it myself.

The reason I may not post again is because I am much like you, but also much different. I believe in God, but not in Yahweh. I possess a Door, through which I go forward in my life. I would say it's Jesus, but that relationship is something so different from what I hear people say, it would be misleading. I feel Awakening. but it's such a quiet Voice, such a private Gift, it's almost impossible to speak about.

There is much suffering at this site, much angst and uncertainty. But there is also much bravery. Many of us have been lied to all of our lives, haven't we? And it takes so much courage to turn off the path in search of the "Why?" I'm very blessed. The man who is my rock has been there for me for the past 54 years. We have awakened together.

My Awakening began by accident. I was raised in an unkind, Fundamentalist home. I never knew where I was or what to do, only that I was very unhappy. Several years ago, on a blog (Information ClearingHouse) that really had nothing to do with spiritual matters at all, someone made a post: "If you want to see where the Plan for Total Domination all began, read Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed." I did, and it changed my life. Step by step, that shocking awareness led me to this post today. I'm sorry I lied, but I was afraid to speak, lest I be ridiculed or called foolish.

I wish everyone well. Never be afraid to trust the Voice that speaks softly. It's your Friend.


Thank you for this Pony E. I don't care if you've told a porkie to protect yourself in some way, the message you gave is well worth it. Please, stick around, it's important.

Peace,

Pickle

[<8>]

Morning guys...:)

I saw somthing about (funny guy) Yes i cant lie anymore i am a funny guy. And if it was someone who try to criticize me in this way? "I laugh even more".

I know who i am! .....Do you?

[Tigressa]

Funny question, thanks for asking, I don't ask these questions to myself, I seek truth, on the way I must necessarily be proven wrong regularly and I appreciate folks who are genuinely challenging and stimulating me, meeting such folks is among the greatest blessings I can imagine, Avalon is a good place to look out for those, I figure.

I don't want to be loved, I am loved by the great spirit / Godhead, just as all-that-is is being loved. This is True Love and everything else that is dubbed 'love' these days seems rather petty to me.

I'm in this world, but not of this world, where I come from it is perfectly fine to speak out, for it is never taken personally, the intent to stimulate each other is taken for granted and always appreciated. I know that here on the earth plane people might be somewhat sensitive, but I figure being overconcerned about that just helps to perpetuate it. That's why I treat my fellow humans like decent unoffendable stalwart guardians of Mother Earth, like true knights of absolute love and they will eventually become so more and more.

My second son is rather like you in feel/tone so I try to give him lots of hugs and affection so that learns to factor the human quotient into his dealings with others. Compassion and oversensitivity are two different things on Earth.

Sometimes I wish there were more girls on this forum... sigh.

[Billy]

Great, more s**tfights.
Are you guys sure you are enlightened?
Why do egos need to upset the applecart so often?
Wind your heads in, or the carrots come out.
Nuggets, as far as the eye can see.

This is obviously something we have to address, if not I shall have to leave.
Discussion is a valid aspect of being human, but intentionally spoiling threads is something else.

Pie'n'eal it is more a matter of not allowing yourself to be emotionally attached to others expressions, please do not leave but also do not rise to the bait when it is dangled in front of you. You are a sensitive soul. please do not take things so personal.

I agree with both you and chequetet, Collective prayer is powerful, as is silent personal prayer. by the way chequetet. what Jesus said about fasting was to not boast about fasting as that takes away the power of fasting, he also said not to look gloomy but smile while fasting. Again fasting alone in secret is powerful, but collective fasting is also powerful. just be joyful in both.

As far as asking the Ascended beings to assist humanity. That is what they wait for. Also because we human beings are all equal to ascended beings, no greater no lesser, they require our permission to intercede for us. so i add to the prayer. I give you all permission to intercede for the better of all humanity. So be it

[Billy]

Funny question, thanks for asking, I don't ask these questions to myself, I seek truth, on the way I must necessarily be proven wrong regularly and I appreciate folks who are genuinely challenging and stimulating me, meeting such folks is among the greatest blessings I can imagine, Avalon is a good place to look out for those, I figure.

I don't want to be loved, I am loved by the great spirit / Godhead, just as all-that-is is being loved. This is True Love and everything else that is dubbed 'love' these days seems rather petty to me.

I'm in this world, but not of this world, where I come from it is perfectly fine to speak out, for it is never taken personally, the intent to stimulate each other is taken for granted and always appreciated. I know that here on the earth plane people might be somewhat sensitive, but I figure being overconcerned about that just helps to perpetuate it. That's why I treat my fellow humans like decent unoffendable stalwart guardians of Mother Earth, like true knights of absolute love and they will eventually become so more and more.

My second son is rather like you in feel/tone so I try to give him lots of hugs and affection so that learns to factor the human quotient into his dealings with others. Compassion and oversensitivity are two different things on Earth.

Sometimes I wish there were more girls on this forum... sigh.

More girls or more feminine energy. :-)

[christian]

Sometimes I wish there were more girls on this forum

More girls or more feminine energy. :-)

I'd welcome both.


My second son is rather like you in feel/tone so I try to give him lots of hugs and affection so that learns to factor the human quotient into his dealings with others. Compassion and oversensitivity are two different things on Earth.

Maybe I can help you understand me and your son a little better.
I want to explain something, but it's difficult to put it in words, I hope this analogy helps:
To be strong, persevering and adept in times of need, it is good to have trained before. Let's say I live in Mongolia (which I did) and I like to wrestle with other guys. I don't want to hurt them at all, no cuts and bruises, no hitting, pinching or biting. It's gentle, yet you need strength, coordination and perseverance, to get the other to the ground with his ass, knees, elbows or shoulders. If it is praticed well, nobody gets hurt and it's exhilarating, you gotta do it gentle with compassion for the other and if you are stronger than the other, you can hold back a little, taring, to maximize the learning effects. Doing this via combining hard and soft power, male and female qualities, that's what I figure to be worthwile striving for and I feel that is compassionate.

Now if I would wrestle with someone, who was a couch potato all his life (to give an oversimplyfied illustration), then he would feel hurt and offended as soon as I grab his shoulders, but that's just oversensitive in my opinion. I think it's reasonable to regularly wrestle in a gentle way, to celebrate our earthlyness, it's almost like dancing and hugging with the beneficial byproduct of developing gentleness, strength, endurance, etc.

The most important idea that I wanna promote is considering everything, being open to every view, not being attached to any though, striving powerfully and gently.
Now :banplease: and :focus: