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ktlight
15th July 2011, 09:39
As the twin pillars of international monetary system threaten to come tumbling down in unison, gold has reclaimed its ancient status as the anchor of stability. The spot price surged to an all-time high of $1,594 an ounce in London, lifting silver to $39 in its train.

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On one side of the Atlantic, the eurozone debt crisis has spread to the countries that may be too big to save - Spain and Italy - though RBS thinks a €3.5 trillion rescue fund would ensure survival of Europe's currency union.
On the other side, the recovery has sputtered out and the printing presses are being oiled again. Brinkmanship between the Congress and the White House over the US debt ceiling has compelled Moody's to warn of a "very small but rising risk" that the world's paramount power may default within two weeks. "The unthinkable is now thinkable," said Ross Norman, director of thebulliondesk.com.
Fed chair Ben Bernanke confessed to Congress that growth has failed to gain traction. "Deflationary risks might re-emerge, implying a need for additional policy support," he said.
The bar to QE3 - yet more bond purchases - is even lower than markets had thought. The new intake of hard-money men on the voting committee has not shifted Fed thinking, despite global anger at dollar debasement under QE2.
Fuelling the blaze, the emerging powers of Asia are almost all running uber-loose monetary policies. Most have negative real interest rates that push citizens out of bank accounts and into gold, or property. China is an arch-inflater. Prices are rising at 6.4pc, yet the one-year deposit rate is just 3.5pc. India's central bank is far behind the curve.
"It is very scary: the flight to gold is accelerating at a faster and faster speed," said Peter Hambro, chairman of Britain's biggest pure gold listing Petropavlovsk.
"One of the big US banks texted me today to say that if QE3 actually happens, we could see gold at $5,000 and silver at $1,000. I feel terribly sorry for anybody on fixed incomes tied to a fiat currency because they are not going to be able to buy things with that paper money."
China, Russia, Brazil, India, the Mid-East petro-powers have diversified their $7 trillion reserves into euros over the last decade to limit dollar exposure. As Europe's monetary union itself faces an existential crisis, there is no other safe-haven currency able to absorb the flows. The Swiss franc, Canada's loonie, the Aussie, and Korea's won are too small.
"There is no depth of market in these other currencies, so gold is the obvious play," said Neil Mellor from BNY Mellon. Western central banks (though not the US, Germany, or Italy) sold much of their gold at the depths of the bear market a decade ago. The Bank of England wins the booby prize for selling into the bottom at €254 an ounce on Gordon Brown's orders in 1999. But Russia, China, India, the Gulf states, the Philippines, and Kazakhstan have been buying.
China is coy, revealing purchases with a long delay. It has admitted to doubling its gold reserves to 1,054 tonnes or $54bn. This is just a tiny sliver of its $3.2 trillion reserves. China's Chamber of Commerce said this should be raised eightfold to 8,000 tonnes.
Xia Bin, an adviser to China's central bank, said in June that the country's reserve strategy needs an "urgent" overhaul. Instead of buying paper IOU's from a prostrate West, China should invest in strategic assets and accumulate gold by "buying the dips".
Step by step, the world is edging towards a revived Gold Standard as it becomes clearer that Japan and the West have reached debt saturation. World Bank chief Robert Zoellick said it was time to "consider employing gold as an international reference point." The Swiss parliament is to hold hearings on a parallel "Gold Franc". Utah has recognised gold as legal tender for tax payments.
A new Gold Standard would probably be based on a variant of the 'Bancor' proposed by Keynes in the late 1940s. This was a basket of 30 commodities intended to be less deflationary than pure gold, which had compounded in the Great Depression. The idea was revived by China's central bank chief Zhou Xiaochuan two years ago as a way of curbing the "credit-based" excess.
Mr Bernanke himself was grilled by Congress this week on the role of gold. Why do people by gold? "As protection against of what we call tail risks: really, really bad outcomes," he replied.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/8638644/Return-of-the-Gold-Standard-as-world-order-unravels.html

phillipbbg
15th July 2011, 09:54
I always thought GOLD was one Pillar and Stirling SILVER was the other.....

Or was it Silver and Copper in ancient times Boas & Jarkin, Romulus and Remulus etc.....

Pity Gordon sold al the Gold... or does it really matter............

Marsila
15th July 2011, 11:07
Gold is the other pillar. China has been buying it like crazy for the past few years, to protect itself. George Soros selling some of his hoard a few months ago, i think was just to put people off track.

Humans like gold for money, it's the one constant thing that hasn't changed as a money meduim for the past few millenniums.

I did it find it funny how Bernanke's answer to Ron Paul when he asked why central banks hold it in their books instead of diamonds he replied "tradition"....seriously??

I think the other pillar though is food supply means...like lands. But i could be wrong as a friend told me they saw a sign saying "We buy silver" the other day....

"Gold is money and nothing else" - J.P. Morgan, 1912

Operator
15th July 2011, 11:26
Sometimes I wonder if we could go back to a gold standard.
Gold reserves are not indefinite and are limited. If you expect economies to grow year after year you need something indefinite.
So changing money from gold to paper debt would do ...

Would there be enough gold to replace the paper debt ?

Marsila
15th July 2011, 11:42
of course there isn't enough gold, that's why its value just keeps increasing. The federal reserve increases the fiat money supply by 11% every year and the USD was just backed up by people's trust, which is in serious short supply now.

I keep getting the feeling that the division of Sudan is a first step in recolonizing Africa, as those powers that be need it, the continent is still rich in unmined gold, and whoever will hoard the most of this will be better off in the future. People are going back to gold as it is what they know is a safe heaven with the potential of increasing in value in the future.

Taking inflation and etc into account, the more than $1500 an ounce for gold is not really record breaking compared to the 1980 price, as with inflation and the cost of everything around it will need to be higher than $3000 to real break old records. It is just a thing to make feel people safe.

However i also do get the feeling these (gold prices rising) are all tools they are using to try and take wealth out of the ordinary persons hands. they are criminal minded so everything is possible.

at the end of the day money is what they tell us it is, and we can't change that. having some gold will just make some of us feel better for the time being.

gandra99
15th July 2011, 11:54
A direct parallel to this scenario unfolded in the beginning of the Fifth NIGHT of
the Planetary Underworld in 1932. After the experience of a new freedom in the roaring
twenties and the energies would be reversed and a reaction set in. The Stock Exchange crash
in New York in 1929 was the forerunner of the Great Depression whose worst year globally
speaking was in 1932, the very year that the energies of the Fifth NIGHT became dominant.
About a month after the Fifth NIGHT began the Reichstagsfeuer took place in Berlin, which
became the pretext for Hitler to take dictatorial power in Germany, and the rest we know.
Typically, people did not initially take this change for real: Following the Stock Exchange
crash in New York people in general expected a swift upturn and initially few understood the
danger of the rising dictatorships. The Fifth NIGHT of the Planetary Underworld turned into a
great reaction against many of the liberating phenomena that had come into existence during
the Fifth DAY in the same way as the Fifth NIGHT of the National Underworld became a
reaction against the spiritual hopes that Christianity initially had brought.
by Carl Johan Calleman

Night 5 Aug 18 - Sept 4
by Carl Johan Calleman

RMorgan
15th July 2011, 14:49
Well, so USA will have a huge problem, once they find out there´s no gold left on Fort Knox...

kathymarie
15th July 2011, 15:01
Well, so USA will have a huge problem, once they find out there´s no gold left on Fort Knox...



.....and here it was just ME, I thought, that believe the gold in Fort Knox was long gone. You'd be surprised at how many people think that I'm foolish for thinking that. Makes one wonder in what other areas the wool have been pulled over our eyes.

RMorgan
15th July 2011, 15:10
Well, so USA will have a huge problem, once they find out there´s no gold left on Fort Knox...



.....and here it was just ME, I thought, that believe the gold in Fort Knox was long gone. You'd be surprised at how many people think that I'm foolish for thinking that. Makes one wonder in what other areas the wool have been pulled over our eyes.

I just remember reading somewhere, a few weeks ago, that the USA sent a gold shipment to China to pay some bills. Like Chinese are smart guys, they took a random test on the gold bars, to take some samples, just to find out the those bars were not made of gold, they were made of gold plated tungsten...

phillipbbg
15th July 2011, 17:19
So who has the Gold.???....Mmmm I think a lot on this forum have a fair idea who it was given to and why our Government's feel they have to pay for protection of this kind or Knowledge etc...

Marsila
15th July 2011, 18:03
i am still suspicious of this whole gold thing and why they are trying to scare people into it.

I don't think they will go back to the gold standard as solving their own problems, by creating new ones for you is how they operate.

don't put it beyond them to make laws to limit, tax, or confiscate the gold people have exchange it their money for.

also i think china bought quite a bit of it, to protect itself. it knows that it didn't become such a powerful economy by hardwork, but because the US doesn't trust a certain one of China's neighbors.

going back to the gold standard will make that country even more powerful so don't see it happening. I have no idea what they are doing, but the fact that there is too much media attention to it now, is a bit strange.

Last summer when Indian and China bought incredibly large amounts of it, no one seemed to care.