Astrology as a "Know Yourself" tool

[ulli]

Although there are many astrology sites on the web
where one can get free basic chart readings,
it is always so much more fun to discuss charts in a group.

Experience has taught me also that as long as such discussions are kept light
people feel more comfortable to join in.

So here I am opening up this thread for astro discussion. I know I'm not the only person on the forum who has studied this and I would like everyone who can contribute to feel free to chip in.

Over the years I noticed that the mathematics of astrology are basically what is termed nowadays as "sacred geometry".

Whenever planets in our solar system make exact angles, such as 30, 60, 120 degrees harmonious energies start to filter into our lives,
while the harder angles such as 45, 90, 150 or 180 degree, or exact lineups,
bring more testy energies, sometimes from very low dimensions.

These energetic windows open and close depending on a given planet's speed,
as only a few degrees of orb, or leeway, allow stuff to flow.
Usually during a transiting aspect, the effect lasts only for the time period it takes the planet to pass from within one degree before and after the event.

But before we get too deeply into the angles
we could just look at planets in the various sun signs.
This is the most popular and basic astrology
yet much can be gleaned about reality from this.

My personal take here is that if one wants to attain balance and enlightenment
it is a good idea to study the sign OPPOSITE one's sun sign.
It shifts one's consciousness away from compulsive behaviour,
more towards a midpoint on this axis.
That way a higher level of perspective can be attained.

Edit:
After a flood of free reading request, many of which I complied with but which never led to further discussions I decided to suspend doing people's charts altogether.
If anyone has specific questions, regarding particular energies, I might reply.

[Calz]

How fun ... I have done "hobbiest" astro for many years so I will be a "volunteer guinea pig".

No need for a PM.

Oct 14, 1955

1:24 AM

Omaha, Neb


have at it :behindsofa:

[seko]

How fun ... I have done "hobbiest" astro for many years so I will be a "volunteer guinea pig".

No need for a PM.

Oct 14, 1955

1:24 AM

Omaha, Neb


have at it :behindsofa:

I will join Calz.



ok changed my mind, I'm gonna pass. thank you Ulli.
:peep:

[G.Deluca]

data
i'm curious i never did something like this

[ulli]

How fun ... I have done "hobbiest" astro for many years so I will be a "volunteer guinea pig".



have at it :behindsofa:



since I have your exact birth time I can give you a bit of extra data, as I can see your house positions.
You are a Cancerian Libra, (Cancer rising, and loads of Libra planets in the 4th house (associated with the sign of Cancer)
with the Moon in Virgo,

Jupiter, Pluto conjunct in Leo, also Uranus in Leo,
and Venus and Saturn in Scorpio.
While Libra as an air sign makes you pretty intellectual, the house position balance all that air a bit as Cancer is about feelings...
maternal, nurturing, family oriented, homely.
The Leo planets give you extra confidence and leadership capacity, especially the conjunction between Pluto and Jupiter..
in power issues you manage to have the last word, i would think.
Virgo moon...perception for detail...which we all have witnessed right here in your careful choice of smiley use. Don't quit doing that...I love it.
recently your posts have begun to look a bit like Jackovesk's...what's with that? I want those smileys!!!! ;)

[Calz]

What house system are you using???

I should have Leo rising.

(have to watch my posting style ... didn't expect that out of an astro reading ... you *are* talented!!!) :haha:

my moon is in Libra as well ... something is "off" somewhere.

[Carmody]

As above, so below.
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This is a bit of proofing for astrology. I could sit here for a year and do so all day, every day. But that only works for people who area actually looking and can understand both sides of the system or it's entire breadth. And they also have to be versed in both areas. Otherwise it means nothing to them.

The point of this post is to provide the background for the reality of the function of astrology. An 'FYI' type of thing. Not to distract from the point of the thread, but to ground it in fundamentals on all levels.

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http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-07-galaxy-sized-violating-particles-line.html (CP means 'Charge Parity'--as in 'electric universe')

This is why charge level, or voltage differential can denote connection to and in/out of this universe. ley lines are vibratory points where the scalar energies are oscillating and integrating slightly differently and matter can shift in and out of this place and space. For example This was, IMO, NOT HAARP, it was a ley line shift of vibration and reality or timelines shifted in the vicinity of this ley line geometric overlap or center point: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?24467-St-Michael-s-Mount-Electrostatic-Earthquake-Tsunami-action-in-the-UK&p=259183&highlight=micheal%27s+point#post259183 That is how all this advanced and ancient science works. It is a manipulation of the geometric oscillatory harmonic structure aspects of 'reality'. This is those who think they 'rule' this place (ego and body talking to them), getting into playing with the fundamentals of this reality. And thus messing directly with your reality. Outside of your permission or understanding of what they are doing. It is all about oscillatory harmonic resonant manipulation.

On to the article highlights:

When CP violation has been observed in the decay of B-Mesons the key difference observed between the break-up of matter and antimatter versions of the same particle is variation in the different decay rates. Curiously even though researchers observe that wide variation in the pattern of decay rates when those individual decay rates are added together they add up to the same total for both matter and antimatter versions of the same particle.

Dr Hadley believes that the “frame dragging” affect of the whole Galaxy explains all of those observations. Matter and antimatter versions of the same particle will retain exactly the same structure except that they will be mirror images of each other. It is not unreasonable to expect the decay of those particles to also begin as an exact mirror image of each other. However that is not how it ends. The decay may begin as a exact mirror image but the galactic frame dragging affect is significant enough to cause the different structures in each particle to experience different levels of time dilation and therefore decay in different ways. However the overall variation of the different levels of time dilation averages out when every particle in the decay is taken into account and CP violation disappears and parity is conserved.

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The point is that matter is a wave, and it is particle-wave ---as it is an oscillatory wave. Coming into and out of 'existence' from OUR viewpoint or position, in time-space. Our timeline and dimension. There is more than one point to view this multi-dimensional universe from. For example, in what we call the formless universe, or 'astral' universe, we have the rules inverted. It is the reflection.

Look at this: 'X'

Think of what you are now, as occupying the area of one of the 'V' shaped spaces on one side of the 'X'. The astral is the mirror on the other. Our focus, ie how and where we center our existence or 'look/attention' is toward where the lines cross. Same for the astral and other. Now think of a bunch of overlapped X's..like this:

http://www.exploratorium.edu/xref/exhibits/images/look_into_infinity.jpg

That is akin to timelines, or the flow of time, which is broken up into discrete forms or chunks. Dot-dash-dot-dash-dot-dash..and so on.

This is where the geometry comes in. Resonance, frequency and angular entry and exit points into and out of this dimension we call our reality and timeline. Also, their integration and action among one another. As well, there is a 'prime' or 'original' frequency of this space. A center point or reference. all these things add up to create the interactive moment of time, space, matter, energy, mass, gravity, magnetism, voltage, current, lattice structures of matter, all of it .

This is all, as a group, the geometric frequency based integrative aspects of this timeline-reality we are currently calling home. Like a fish holding it's position in a moving water stream, we occupy a position that is both IN and OUT of this 'space. The spirit bridges the gap and is straddled across both. It is powerful and aware in the OTHER space. The body, is powerful and aware in THIS space. Duality.

Note the mirror images of awareness in each (each part of this combined 'you') for each primary component and the connection across the bridge of this awareness.

The sacred geometry exists..... as it denotes connections of primary importance, for us and this universe, as we see or contemplate/exist/integrate, etc..with it..

Nodes of energy, via angular entry and exit of energies, in and out of this dimension and reality. For all matter and geometric shapes. As it is all numbers and angles, and frequency. The whole damned thing. All of it.

This oscillatory function and discreteness tied to it, as a flowing differential trapped in angles, and numbers, harmonics and integration, this is our universe. If this was not true, none of this would exist. The universe would be a static nothing.


Oscillatory harmonic resonant manipulation. That is what YOU (as a combined duality) actually are, in this reality and timeline. As you integrate and work with this reality and timeline. Thus, in that point you can 'predict' your 'potentials' via recognition of YOUR integration with this reality and timeline. Pick a reference point and begin working out the details via comparison and hypothesis.

And thus, astrology was born in the human world, over 6,000 years ago. Longer, even. This is why it is so accurate. it is a record of your duality's flow in this time-reality-oscillation-patterned system. Astrology chose your birth as a reference point to begin or have/create the analysis.

After over 6000 years of playing and correcting, in the modern scientific sense, properly done astrology has an accuracy rating of 85%. this is due to the point of...well..check this correlation out: Conception of a child (insemination of the female egg) and comparison to the 'time' of the live birth approximately 9 months later..., has a variation of ...... 15%! Fancy that. This is why the older astrology groups or systems are tied to the date of conception the child, not the birth. The moment of inception of the pattern of energy that becomes you, the unfolding of you, from the exact original point. Hebrew astrology was and is done in this way. This is why in the original way of doing things -in the Hebrew religion, the child's conception date was the thing that allowed them to be of the priestly and thus ruling class.

[ulli]

[QUOTE=G.Deluca;[/QUOTE]

Hi

Sun in Pisces, 12th house ...even more sensitive than the average Pisces (born just after sunrise) telepathic, compassionate.
Living with one foot already in the next dimension.

Moon in Leo means your responses to situations are dignified..hiding your natural shyness a bit.
It commands respect and attention.
Also your Aries Ascendant makes you come across much tougher than you actually are, sometimes even overcompensating for what your feelings tell you.

You have a Mars Saturn Pluto conjunction in Libra...in the 7th house...
since I don't know your gender I am a bit stuck here.
In a woman's chart a Mars (energy, initiative) Saturn (restriction, law, maturity)
conjunction can bring depleted energies,
lack of drive, the need for a partner to stimulate and iniatiate....
but also a fascination with law, and protection of the underdog....strong sense of justice.

although your Aries Ascendant at times balances this out...as it supplies you with physical drive.

(Saturn delays and restricts) and there could be problems with attracting a partner, unless he is a bit older (Saturn)
it also shows authority issues (Saturn) to do with men (Mars)
then there is Pluto...means either you are obsessed with your partner or possessed by him/her.
I really think you would love to read up on these things online...just type into Google Pluto in Libra in the 7th house and see how much will show up.
Whole books have been written about Pluto alone.

[G.Deluca]

Hi

Sun in Pisces, 12th house ...even more sensitive than the average Pisces (born just after sunrise) telepathic, compassionate.
Living with one foot already in the next dimension.

Moon in Leo means your responses to situations are dignified..hiding your natural shyness a bit.
It commands respect and attention.
Also your Aries Ascendant makes you come across much tougher than you actually are, sometimes even overcompensating for what your feelings tell you.

You have a Mars Saturn Pluto conjunction in Libra...in the 7th house...
since I don't know your gender I am a bit stuck here.
In a woman's chart a Mars (energy, initiative) Saturn (restriction, law, maturity)
conjunction can bring depleted energies,
lack of drive, the need for a partner to stimulate and iniatiate....
but also a fascination with law, and protection of the underdog....strong sense of justice.

although your Aries Ascendant at times balances this out...as it supplies you with physical drive.

(Saturn delays and restricts) and there could be problems with attracting a partner, unless he is a bit older (Saturn)
it also shows authority issues (Saturn) to do with men (Mars)
then there is Pluto...means either you are obsessed with your partner or possessed by him/her.
I really think you would love to read up on these things online...just type into Google Pluto in Libra in the 7th house and see how much will show up.
Whole books have been written about Pluto alone.

ty interesting, i'm male btw :)

[ulli]

What house system are you using???

I should have Leo rising.

(have to watch my posting style ... didn't expect that out of an astro reading ... you *are* talented!!!) :haha:

my moon is in Libra as well ... something is "off" somewhere.

Oh dear, I hit a key wrong, and the time zone was accidentally GMT...midnight...
don''t know how that happened..I was rushing...typical Capricorn me.
I knew I would feel a bit overwhelmed...as I always do when I open the astro box.
I'll take my time from now on....accuracy is elemental in astro readings.


Anyway, now I have a totally different picture.
You are no Momma!!
Full third house...writer, journalist, draftsman..communicator.
And of course emotional Moon in Libra, conjunct Mars...I bet you don't like that very much...
but maybe that factor does give you some of those earlier mentioned motherly qualities.

When fiery Mars sits next to feelie moon it can take the cool Libra head to places where it fears loss of control...
and since your Leo rising also likes to be in charge, especially with Jupiter and Pluto so nearby.
I also have Leo rising, by the way, Pluto in the first. Being Capricorn I know all about control issues.

How am I doing? Should I delete my first response, since it was off?
?

[Carmody]

I advise sharing your birth data in a PM. It is a perfect map of your entire life path, including your inner psychological drives. it is a 100% perfect map of who you are and your lifepath. event shape, direction, timing, everything.

It does not show exactly what will happen, but denotes the time and type of influences. As if you were standing in a stream of a certain flow of water at a certain time of your life. Then the decision tree of your life unfolds and moves from that given point. The you, makes decisions, and commits to actions, etc.

Astrology is a whole life mirror, of the most potent and relevant kind, on all levels.

Which is why it is the mother and origin point of all awareness, religion, mythology, occult sciences, math, science, geometry, psychology, numbers, medicine, physics, politics, all of it.

[Calz]

What house system are you using???

I should have Leo rising.

(have to watch my posting style ... didn't expect that out of an astro reading ... you *are* talented!!!) :haha:

my moon is in Libra as well ... something is "off" somewhere.

Oh dear, I hit a key wrong, and the time zone was accidentally GMT...midnight...
don''t know how that happened..I was rushing...typical Capricorn me.
I knew I would feel a bit overwhelmed...as I always do when I open the astro box.
I'll take my time from now on....accuracy is elemental in astro readings.


Anyway, now I have a totally different picture.
You are no Momma!!
Full third house...writer, journalist, draftsman..communicator.
And of course emotional Moon in Libra, conjunct Mars...I bet you don't like that very much...
but maybe that factor does give you some of those earlier mentioned motherly qualities.

When fiery Mars sits next to feelie moon it can take the cool Libra head to places where it fears loss of control...
and since your Leo rising also likes to be in charge, especially with Jupiter and Pluto so nearby.
I also have Leo rising, by the way, Pluto in the first. Being Capricorn I know all about control issues.

How am I doing? Should I delete my first response, since it was off?
?

Ah yes ... much better :)

You can delete it if you want. Kinda liked the smiley part ... but since I don't have a Virgo moon perhaps I gotta keep up the "jack" look :smokin:

[ulli]

I advise sharing your birth data in a PM. It is a perfect map of your entire life path, including your inner psychological drives. it is a 100% perfect map of who you are and your lifepath. event shape, direction, timing, everything.

It does not show exactly what will happen, but denotes the time and type of influences. As if you were standing in a stream of a certain flow of water at a certain time of your life. Then the decision tree of your life unfolds and moves from that given point. The you, makes decisions, and commits to actions, etc.

Astrology is a whole life mirror, of the most potent and relevant kind, on all levels.

Which is why it is the mother and origin point of all awareness, religion, mythology, occult sciences, math, science, geometry, psychology, numbers, medicine, physics, politics, all of it.

Thanks for the reminder, Carmody.
I had offered for people to hold back some of the info
offering just the inner planets for discussion,
or by PMming me, and even then not go into all the planets.

It becomes a bit exhausting anyway...loads of work to process.

The point is that in the wrong hands this data can be misused,
by one's enemies...
as it reveals times during which we become vulnerable,
and it is at such times that they do their nasty psy-ops attacks,
if for some reason they feel it is warranted.

Of course this sets in motion negative karma of the worst kind for those who do such a thing...
still one cannot be careful enough.

Anyone wants to erase/delete their birthdata please feel free to do so,
or just leave it up until someone here has sent an analysis.

[ulli]

repeat post....fixed quote boxes

[pickle]

Hi Ulli, may I take you up on your kind offer? Data on its way by pm, many thanks!

Pickle

[ulli]

Ah yes ... much better :)

You can delete it if you want. Kinda liked the smiley part ... but since I don't have a Virgo moon perhaps I gotta keep up the "jack" look :smokin:

Virgo and Gemini are the two signs ruled by Mercury.
And Gemini rules the third house.

Now, the factor is still the same....even though the smileys don't come from your Virgo moon
it is the full third house that gives you that specific creativity.
Many illustrators were born with planets in the third house, not only journalists and writers.

[161803398]

On October 14, 1955 at 1.24 a.m. in Omaha the actual Sun was in Virgo as were Mercury, Neptune, Venus and Mars (which was just on the border of Leo). Jupiter was in Leo and Saturn was in Libra . I believe Cancer was rising. I can't find the moon and don't have time to look but you get the idea. I love astrology...but the problem I have with it is that when the old charts were taken up again after being suppressed by the Church for so long, people had forgotten about precession. So now astrologers are using outdated charts. So this is what gets confusing for people who tend to follow the personality traits they are told they have based on old charts.

[ulli]

As above, so below.
After over 6000 years of playing and correcting, in the modern scientific sense, properly done astrology has an accuracy rating of 85%. this is due to the point of...well..check this correlation out: Conception of a child (insemination of the female egg) and comparison to the 'time' of the live birth approximately 9 months later..., has a variation of ...... 15%! Fancy that. This is why the older astrology groups or systems are tied to the date of conception the child, not the birth. The moment of inception of the pattern of energy that becomes you, the unfolding of you, from the exact original point. Hebrew astrology was and is done in this way. This is why in the original way of doing things -in the Hebrew religion, the child's conception date was the thing that allowed them to be of the priestly and thus ruling class.

what you say here in this paragraph is interesting Carmody.
There has been quite a debate about this already...I recently read a book that totally denounces modern astrology (Jung)
in favour of the ancient methods...
yet...
and here are my thoughts
if we are entering a period of mankind's development where sovereignty of the individual is increased
and that means also an increase in personal power, and less dependency on destiny
then the planets that appear at the moment of birth and indicate our psychological make-up
can act as a challenge... psychological tendencies that if overcome bring us right into an enlightened state.
And in such state we can manifest the desires of our hearts...creating our own utopia,
and thus contributing to the collective utopia...

where we can become masters of ourselves, thus changing our time lines...
no longer bound by the restrictions that earlier life times imposed on us.

[Carmody]

What house system are you using???

I should have Leo rising.

(have to watch my posting style ... didn't expect that out of an astro reading ... you *are* talented!!!) :haha:

my moon is in Libra as well ... something is "off" somewhere.

Oh dear, I hit a key wrong, and the time zone was accidentally GMT...midnight...
don''t know how that happened..I was rushing...typical Capricorn me.
I knew I would feel a bit overwhelmed...as I always do when I open the astro box.
I'll take my time from now on....accuracy is elemental in astro readings.


Anyway, now I have a totally different picture.
You are no Momma!!
Full third house...writer, journalist, draftsman..communicator.
And of course emotional Moon in Libra, conjunct Mars...I bet you don't like that very much...
but maybe that factor does give you some of those earlier mentioned motherly qualities.

When fiery Mars sits next to feelie moon it can take the cool Libra head to places where it fears loss of control...
and since your Leo rising also likes to be in charge, especially with Jupiter and Pluto so nearby.
I also have Leo rising, by the way, Pluto in the first. Being Capricorn I know all about control issues.

How am I doing? Should I delete my first response, since it was off?
?

Ah yes ... much better :)

You can delete it if you want. Kinda liked the smiley part ... but since I don't have a Virgo moon perhaps I gotta keep up the "jack" look :smokin:


You have a strong chart and it does 'indicate' (life and view unfolding) why you are here on this forum.


1540 -92 1448

First number is the overall numerical values of the energies in your chart, contained within all the alignments of the planets.

example: Sun Conjunct Mercury with a 0.59 degree orb is calculated to have an energy of '324'. This number of 324, is part of what makes up the total number of '1540'.

The 92 number, is the value of the more difficult alignments in your chart. It is calculated as a '-', and then the total , with the -92, which is 1448.

This comes from this site: http://www.new-astrology.com/index.php?page=natal&command=new

On the right side bar-- the ability to find this chart of the 'value' of the given astrological alignments will appear, after the basic chart as been completed.

The average, in my experience, is about a total of 500-550. You, at 1500 or so, are energetically enabled at a rate of about 3x the average soul that is making an appearance in this game.

If this number one receives from this website and calculation methodology is higher or lower than someone else's.....don't worry about it.

Please understand that everyone is pressed to their limits on all levels, so all players/dancers/fliers/swimmers/runners get pushed to the same extreme, no matter what energies are in them or available to them.

What you will find is that powerful people in this world (rich and famous) are not necessarily given high energies to deal with. It is their position, due to the overall human viewpoint of the masses.....nothing more.

[161803398]

Astrologers have brilliant observational skills. I believe they knew something was wrong years ago. I am said to be a Gemini but I am in reality a Taurus. I remember reading a book years ago wherein the astrologer said he thought there must be some earth in the Gemini sign. He was RIGHT, of course because most so called Geminis are, in fact, Tauruses. Also, our local astrologer who is quite brilliant and writes for the local newspaper told me she had stopped using sun signs altogether a number of years ago. I think they didn't realize the whole thing has changed but they could see by observation that it wasn't working.

[Carmody]

As above, so below.
After over 6000 years of playing and correcting, in the modern scientific sense, properly done astrology has an accuracy rating of 85%. this is due to the point of...well..check this correlation out: Conception of a child (insemination of the female egg) and comparison to the 'time' of the live birth approximately 9 months later..., has a variation of ...... 15%! Fancy that. This is why the older astrology groups or systems are tied to the date of conception the child, not the birth. The moment of inception of the pattern of energy that becomes you, the unfolding of you, from the exact original point. Hebrew astrology was and is done in this way. This is why in the original way of doing things -in the Hebrew religion, the child's conception date was the thing that allowed them to be of the priestly and thus ruling class.

what you say here in this paragraph is interesting Carmody.
There has been quite a debate about this already...I recently read a book that totally denounces modern astrology (Jung)
in favour of the ancient methods...
yet...
and here are my thoughts
if we are entering a period of mankind's development where sovereignty of the individual is increased
and that means also an increase in personal power, and less dependency on destiny
then the planets that appear at the moment of birth and indicate our psychological make-up
can act as a challenge... psychological tendencies that if overcome bring us right into an enlightened state.
And in such state we can manifest the desires of our hearts...creating our own utopia,
and thus contributing to the collective utopia...

where we can become masters of ourselves, thus changing our time lines...
no longer bound by the restrictions that earlier life times imposed on us.

This what the alchemists are supposedly all about.

Stepping out of the shadow of the big man.

http://ring.cdandlp.com/skeudagogo/photo_grande/113927786.jpg

Which is why the druids/shamen, and the geometry-function are considered to be the origins of the elevation of man and the origins of the secret societies.

[Calz]

On October 14, 1955 at 1.24 a.m. in Omaha the actual Sun was in Virgo as were Mercury, Neptune, Venus and Mars (which was just on the border of Leo). Jupiter was in Leo and Saturn was in Libra . I believe Cancer was rising. I can't find the moon and don't have time to look but you get the idea. I love astrology...but the problem I have with it is that when the old charts were taken up again after being suppressed by the Church for so long, people had forgotten about precession. So now astrologers are using outdated charts. So this is what gets confusing for people who tend to follow the personality traits they are told they have based on old charts.

Really ... hmmm ... what is the source of church suppression??? Would not surprise me. I was never a professional but I don't remember hearing that. There was something about a 13th house (or sign ... cannot remember).

So you are using current software to be able to determine that?

[Lifebringer]

Just had a B-day the last 24 and born 12:07am with a gemini soulmate who procrastinates, and sets himself into stressful situations because of it. I have always felt at one with planetary effects on the planet and one's birth sign. I am caretaker!

[Calz]

This comes from this site: http://www.new-astrology.com/index.php?page=natal&command=new

On the right side bar-- the ability to find this chart of the 'value' of the given astrological alignments will appear, after the basic chart as been completed.




Fascinating. Thanks Carmody. Will definitely have to check into that site!! :thank_you2:

[ulli]

Hi Ulli, may I take you up on your kind offer? Data on its way by pm, many thanks!

Pickle

Hi Pickle
I'm just describing the first things that jumped at me...I may leave out some essentials, perhaps others here can fill in those gaps
Your Pisces self with Venus there as well is gentle, compassionate, self sacrificing..HOWEVER you have Mars in Sag, square venus, and that means you are
a) never home,
b) women are from another planet,
and c) the nice trine between Venus and your Saturn in Scorpio means you will push some old lady's wheel chair before you face your lover at a romantic dinner.

Your partnerships are karmic...and you know it the instance you meet someone. (Pluto in 7th 150 angle north node)
Kids bring joy.
Health issues could be circulation-based...watch your arteries.
Sometimes illnesses that are so weird/rare no one can diagnose them. (Uranus in the sixth house, Aquarius Asc.)

All 1954 births into 1955 have Saturn in Scorpio...so that brings sex issues...either by guilt, or not finding a compatible partner.
Mars was at the Midheaven...ninth house, in Sagittarius...so quite a bit of travel to do with your work...

[ulli]

On October 14, 1955 at 1.24 a.m. in Omaha the actual Sun was in Virgo as were Mercury, Neptune, Venus and Mars (which was just on the border of Leo). Jupiter was in Leo and Saturn was in Libra . I believe Cancer was rising. I can't find the moon and don't have time to look but you get the idea. I love astrology...but the problem I have with it is that when the old charts were taken up again after being suppressed by the Church for so long, people had forgotten about precession. So now astrologers are using outdated charts. So this is what gets confusing for people who tend to follow the personality traits they are told they have based on old charts.


Astrology is based on the spring equinox as the starting point, nothing to do with the constellations of stars.
At the time astrology was first introduced those constellations were named as a refence point..ie the first degree of Aries coincided with the first fixed star in that constellation.
I've explained this previously...the constellation argument is basically introduced by those who use astrology secretly and want to confuse the public about how it really works.
It was never about constellations, it was about the geometric energy lines criss-crossing the entire cosmos, far distant galaxies included.
Then those energies are filtered through our own solar system planets.
I'll find some articles about it...I think Robert Hand was the one who explained it much better than I ever could.

[Carmody]

An interesting potential Correlation:

It has been found that there are 36 different basic facial types in the human physical sphere of existence.

Astrology has 36 different 10 degree 'decans'.

[Carmody]

On October 14, 1955 at 1.24 a.m. in Omaha the actual Sun was in Virgo as were Mercury, Neptune, Venus and Mars (which was just on the border of Leo). Jupiter was in Leo and Saturn was in Libra . I believe Cancer was rising. I can't find the moon and don't have time to look but you get the idea. I love astrology...but the problem I have with it is that when the old charts were taken up again after being suppressed by the Church for so long, people had forgotten about precession. So now astrologers are using outdated charts. So this is what gets confusing for people who tend to follow the personality traits they are told they have based on old charts.


Astrology is based on the spring equinox as the starting point, nothing to do with the constellations of stars.
At the time astrology was first introduced those constellations were named as a refence point..ie the first degree of Aries coincided with the first fixed star in that constellation.
I've explained this previously...the constellation argument is basically introduced by those who use astrology secretly and want to confuse the public about how it really works.
It was never about constellations, it was about the geometric energy lines criss-crossing the entire cosmos, far distant galaxies included.
Then those energies are filtered through our own solar system planets.
I'll find some articles about it...I think Robert Hand was the one who explained it much better than I ever could.

The energies are the scalar energies which are outside of time and space, but still integrate with and form interference patterns with this stuff we call 'matter'. Thus the cyclic and shifting energy patterns of life in the earthbound sphere.

[pickle]

Hi Pickle
I'm just describing the first things that jumped at me...I may leave out some essentials, perhaps others here can fill in those gaps
Your Pisces self with Venus there as well is gentle, compassionate, self sacrificing..HOWEVER you have Mars in Sag, square venus, and that means you are
a) never home,
b) women are from another planet,
and c) the nice trine between Venus and your Saturn in Scorpio means you will push some old lady's wheel chair before you face your lover at a romantic dinner.

Your partnerships are karmic...and you know it the instance you meet someone. (Pluto in 7th 150 angle north node)
Kids bring joy.
Health issues could be circulation-based...watch your arteries.
Sometimes illnesses that are so weird/rare no one can diagnose them. (Uranus in the sixth house, Aquarius Asc.)

All 1954 births into 1955 have Saturn in Scorpio...so that brings sex issues...either by guilt, or not finding a compatible partner.
Mars was at the Midheaven...ninth house, in Sagittarius...so quite a bit of travel to do with your work...

Ulli, that is so accurate it's left me stuck for words, especially b) and c) !!!!

Strange... the bit in bold, it's something that I found overwhelming as a youngster - I didn't like it and worked at suppressing it (felt kinda spooky), but the last few years it's been getting stronger again, now really appreciate it, though these last few years has brought many changes to all of us I think.

Thanks so much Ulli,

Pickle

[Omni connexae!]

Sacred geometry and Astrology have always intrested me alot, which is strange because I otherwise shy away from things that tend to be 'supernatural'.

I never really thought about the 2 being related though, intresting.

I've never looked into my own chart, all I know is I'm apparently Gemini, third phase.. or something. No idea what that means. Does anyone know a good source or link that could show me how to do mine and other people's charts? Or just learn about all sorts of astrology in general? (rather then a site doing it for me)

I once heard that Vedic astrology and Western astrology are actually linked in some way, something to do with "past lives", although I'm blanking on a source (if there even was one, it might of been a conversation I had, I don't remember). Has anyone ever heard of a similar notion before?

[ulli]

An interesting potential Correlation:

It has been found that there are 36 different basic facial types in the human physical sphere of existence.

Astrology has 36 different 10 degree 'decans'.

the decans are interesting...this is how they work.
The Aries born during the first 10 days of Aries is supposedly totally Aries (Mars), whereas the midddle 10 days make him/her more Leo(Sun), while the last ten days are influenced by Sagittarius(Jupiter)
Thus Taurus' first decan is Taurus (Venus) ruled, middle decan is Virgo (Mercury) ruled and the last decan is Capricorn (Saturn) ruled.
Gemini's 1st decan is Mercury, decan 2 is Libra (Venus) and 3 is Aquarius (Uranus) ruled.
Cancer's 1st decan is Cancer (Moon) ruled, decan 2 is Scorpio (Pluto) ruled and 3 is Pisces (Neptune) ruled.
Leo decan 1 is sun ruled, 2 is Sag (Jupiter) 3 is Aries (Mars)
Virgo decan 1 is Mercury ruled, two is cap (Saturn) and 3 is Taurus (Venus)
Libra decan 1 is Venus, 2 is Aqu(Uranus) and 3 is Gemini (Mercury)
Scorpio decan 1 is Pluto, decan 2 is Pisces (Neptune) and 3 is Cancer (Moon)
Sagittarius decan 1 is Jupiter decan 2 is Aries( Mars) and decan 3 is Leo (Sun)
Capricorn decan 1 is Saturn, decan 2 is Taurus (Venus) and decan 3 is Virgo (Mercury)
Aquarius decan 1 is Uranus, decan two is Gemini (Mercury) and decan 3 is Libra (Venus)
Pisces decan 1 is Neptune, decan 2 is Cancer (Moon) and decan 3 is Scorpio (Pluto)

and I did all those above charts because I got temporarily sucked into Carmody's energy field which is very very refined and detail oriented. :) :) :)

but still, it would be interesting to see how the 12 signs can be seen in their subtleties...no two aquarians are ever the same...after all. (or so they think:)

[Calz]

Had a book with a lot of material related to decans (long ago and far away).

Don't remember the author or title but it was good.

My long-ago "teacher" said something very similar to Carmody regarding 36.

[Carmody]

An interesting potential Correlation:

It has been found that there are 36 different basic facial types in the human physical sphere of existence.

Astrology has 36 different 10 degree 'decans'.

the decans are interesting...this is how they work.
The Aries born during the first 10 days of Aries is supposedly totally Aries (Mars), whereas the midddle 10 days make him/her more Leo(Sun), while the last ten days are influenced by Sagittarius(Jupiter)
Thus Taurus' first decan is Taurus (Venus) ruled, middle decan is Virgo (Mercury) ruled and the last decan is Capricorn (Saturn) ruled.
Gemini's 1st decan is Mercury, decan 2 is Libra (Venus) and 3 is Aquarius (Uranus) ruled.
Cancer's 1st decan is Cancer (Moon) ruled, decan 2 is Scorpio (Pluto) ruled and 3 is Pisces (Neptune) ruled.
Leo decan 1 is sun ruled, 2 is Sag (Jupiter) 3 is Aries (Mars)
Virgo decan 1 is Mercury ruled, two is cap (Saturn) and 3 is Taurus (Venus)
Libra decan 1 is Venus, 2 is Aqu(Uranus) and 3 is Gemini (Mercury)
Scorpio decan 1 is Pluto, decan 2 is Pisces (Neptune) and 3 is Cancer (Moon)
Sagittarius decan 1 is Jupiter decan 2 is Aries( Mars) and decan 3 is Leo (Sun)
Capricorn decan 1 is Saturn, decan 2 is Taurus (Venus) and decan 3 is Virgo (Mercury)
Aquarius decan 1 is Uranus, decan two is Gemini (Mercury) and decan 3 is Libra (Venus)
Pisces decan 1 is Neptune, decan 2 is Cancer (Moon) and decan 3 is Scorpio (Pluto)

and I did all those above charts because I got temporarily sucked into Carmody's energy field which is very very refined and detail oriented. :) :) :)

but still, it would be interesting to see how the 12 signs can be seen in their subtleties...no two aquarians are ever the same...after all. (or so they think:)

I'm that way, I suspect due to the level and types of energy available to me. Like a bull in a china shop, if I'm unaware.

I can, and have, walked into a room in a befuddled state and in the process, shut down every person in the room, into a similar befuddled state.

I've got a bit of focus in your direction right now. :)

[Calz]

I can, and have, walked into a room in a befuddled state and in the process, shut down every person in the room, into a similar befuddled state.

Shields Up!!! :tinfoil3:

[ulli]

Sacred geometry and Astrology have always intrested me alot, which is strange because I otherwise shy away from things that tend to be 'supernatural'.

I never really thought about the 2 being related though, intresting.

I've never looked into my own chart, all I know is I'm apparently Gemini, third phase.. or something. No idea what that means. Does anyone know a good source or link that could show me how to do mine and other people's charts? Or just learn about all sorts of astrology in general? (rather then a site doing it for me)

I once heard that Vedic astrology and Western astrology are actually linked in some way, something to do with "past lives", although I'm blanking on a source (if there even was one, it might of been a conversation I had, I don't remember). Has anyone ever heard of a similar notion before?

Vedic astrology is quite different, and I can't really relate to it as well, I guess because I am so left brained...plus it hasnt allowed for the equinox shift...using the original constellations from thousands of years ago.

when I have done readings for Hindus who brought me their original charts even they admitted that my reading was a lot more descriptive of their personality.

Here is my favorite astrology site www.astro.com lots of free stuff.

[Carmody]

I can, and have, walked into a room in a befuddled state and in the process, shut down every person in the room, into a similar befuddled state.

Shields Up!!! :tinfoil3:

That is why I tend to walk around completely locked down, so I don't cause accidents and/or alter folks too much. Thus I end up seeming like I'm sneaking up on people and they don't even know I'm there. In reality I'm walking around like everyone else does, but I'm 'making like a hole'.

That score you have of about 1500, that is non linear.

For example, 500 is the norm

1000 is 1 out of 10

1500 is one out of 100.

2000 is one out of 1000

2500 is one out of 10,000.

But, this is not exactly correct. It tends to be accurate at the lower numbers but not so much at the higher numbers, as far as I can tell.

My score is 4300. But it is like dealing with an angry dragon at times. It can toss me around with that much energy.

Some days I'm the driver ...... some days I'm the roadkill.

The lack of accuracy also lies in: The person who has the given energy available, and how aware and capable they are - in the utilization of what is available to them.

At birth..... I was all roadkill. What a freaking mess. As I get older, I move toward being all driver. (the same thing we all do!) With the lessons in me of what it is like to be "all roadkill, all the time" (available on cable and satellite-see your provider for more details), I am given the knowledge of what it is like to be pounded to bits. rising to the top and learning how to surf with that energy, without becoming an overpowering sociopath in the process, well..it was interesting.

[ulli]

I can, and have, walked into a room in a befuddled state and in the process, shut down every person in the room, into a similar befuddled state.

Shields Up!!! :tinfoil3:

That is why I tend to walk around completely locked down, so I don't cause accidents and/or alter folks too much. Thus I end up seeming like I'm sneaking up on people and they don't even know I'm there. In reality I'm walking around like everyone else does, but I'm 'making like a hole'.

Capricorns get depressed, melancholic, pessimistic, until hard thinking sessions bring them to a solution of whatever problem they were dealing with.
I just don't go out when I feel like that now, so as to protect people from feeling my heavy wet blanket.
But by staying home more I'm fulfilling Capricorn's agarophobic tendencies as well, becoming a hermit. Not healthy.

[Lisab]

Thanks for this Ulli. Here's my rather watery birthtime for you 10th march 1967 at 12.35 pm. Not very grounded and I tend to befuddle others too. Love n laughs Lisa x

[ulli]

Thanks for this Ulli. Here's my rather watery birthtime for you 10th march 1967 at 12.35 pm. Not very grounded and I tend to befuddle others too. Love n laughs Lisa x

tell me about it...I was married to a Pisces. The thing is...Pisceans love the structure that Capricorns provide
as it gives them a hold, and Capicorns occasionally love to get into that warm Pisces Jacuzzi...

as long as there is love it works rather well... if not, the mudbath is downright awful.

I have a couple of charts still lined up, as well as make lunch, so if you are in the European time zone
it may have to wait until tomorrow.
I'll be back in action here in a few hours.

Meanwhile something important to reflect on: the 12 signs and the four elements:

Fire: Aries, Leo, Sagittarius. Their heat animates projects, they bring fuel, and enthusiasm.
Earth: Taurus, Virgo, Capricorn. Deeply rooted in 3 D they can turn ideas into solid reality.
Air: Gemini, Libra, Aquarius. Ideas people, mind oriented, communicators.
Water: Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces. Emotional, sensitive, inspirational...hence vulnerable.

[Belle]

pm sent with date and time...thanks for your offer and for such an interesting thread.

[Lisab]

Thanks Ulli take your time no rush. One astrologer told my chart was unusual and I had to call him back! Funny you mentioned capricorns I seem to make all my karma on Capricorn guys. They either end up long term best friends for me or my most dreaded relationships. My ex the father of my youngest drives me crazy. I was post natal bonkers after Rudy my son was born I'm only just recovering. Been on my own for four years now. Need to learn to love me and I thank him for that lesson at least. But he's a good dad! X

[ulli]

Thanks Ulli take your time no rush. One astrologer told my chart was unusual and I had to call him back! Funny you mentioned capricorns I seem to make all my karma on Capricorn guys. They either end up long term best friends for me or my most dreaded relationships. My ex the father of my youngest drives me crazy. I was post natal bonkers after Rudy my son was born I'm only just recovering. Been on my own for four years now. Need to learn to love me and I thank him for that lesson at least. But he's a good dad! X

they carry the world on their shoulders...worrying about where the kids' education money is going to come from...
so they can't relax, ever.
It's a Pisces woman's job to take them to those brief moments where they can let go of all their worries.

But if Pisces woman starts to clutter up Cap's world with any form of chaos Cap
will run for the hills even though his natural loyalty tells him it is the wrong thing to do
and that he will one day pay a hefty price.
They need their order and structure or they can't operate.

Teaching astrology already to third graders and explaining what the other sign's most urgent needs are
will change the world for the better.

[ulli]

Thanks for this Ulli. Here's my rather watery birthtime for you 10th march 1967 at 12.35 pm. Not very grounded and I tend to befuddle others too. Love n laughs Lisa x

Lisa, please pm me your birth place.

[thunder24]

Ulli,

glad to see you are now doing this. May I also have a read. I will send you in pm my stats. thanks

peace

[Flasky]

Wow...I find this thread amazingly interesting. Admittedly, I don't know much about it - and its been a great eye opener. You guys are very informative! And cool! I've never even heard of birth charts till now. O_o

Ulli, I'd also like to send you my date of birth...(I saw I've got a twin date of birth-er in here so cool!)...I hope its ok and you are not been overwhelmed with requests. Please let me know if I've sent all the right info...!

Thank you greatly!

[astrid]

Excellent thread, Ulli !!
Count me in.

Pming details....

I have had a few charts done, and dabbled a little also, but not at any great depth.

Blessings,

A

[ulli]

Thunder
Ascendant Aquarius: innovative, clever, original
Sun in Cancer...5th house...the caring motherly playboy
Moon in Scorpio in the 8th...very psychic, but often feelings are repressed because of fears...needs to get in touch with your feelings when responding to others
Mercury in Cancer in the 6th...security conscious but also health and healing oriented.
Venus in Gemini in the fourth...lots of friendships, gets along easily with women in general ...actually with everybody, but very attached to parents and roots.Mars in Virgo in the 7th...workaholic, likes to work with buddies
Jupiter in Virgo in the seventh...more of the same...great attention to detailSaturn in Virgo in the seventh...ok a bit much Virgo here so be careful not to pick on every little flaw in your partner
Uranus in Scorpio in the 9th...travels unexpectedly...surprises happen when away...loves to explore mystery (we KNOW that)
Neptune in Sag opposite Venus
you idealize your women then get disappointed when they turn out to be human
Pluto in Libra in the 8th...very perceptive about people as well as psychic abilities...maybe a good inheritance? (shouldnt say that here or they'll hound you for your money...I can always delete this later)

[ulli]

Wow...I find this thread amazingly interesting. Admittedly, I don't know much about it - and its been a great eye opener. You guys are very informative! And cool! I've never even heard of birth charts till now. O_o

Ulli, I'd also like to send you my date of birth...(I saw I've got a twin date of birth-er in here so cool!)...I hope its ok and you are not been overwhelmed with requests. Please let me know if I've sent all the right info...!

Thank you greatly!

if you have an astro twin (not only same day, but also same month and YEAR) I urge you to become friends and compare events...
astro twins are hard to find...
yet they can teach you about what you can't face in yourself.
No better way to learn about projections than with an astro twin.

[Flasky]

Wow...I find this thread amazingly interesting. Admittedly, I don't know much about it - and its been a great eye opener. You guys are very informative! And cool! I've never even heard of birth charts till now. O_o

Ulli, I'd also like to send you my date of birth...(I saw I've got a twin date of birth-er in here so cool!)...I hope its ok and you are not been overwhelmed with requests. Please let me know if I've sent all the right info...!

Thank you greatly!

if you have an astro twin (not only same day, but also same month and YEAR) I urge you to become friends and compare events...
astro twins are hard to find...
yet they can teach you about what you can't face in yourself.
No better way to learn about projections than with an astro twin.

Erm well, not really twin twin --- different year but same day number and month. Still good enough?

[ulli]

all the other planets could be in totally different places...so not quite the same.

When people find a real astro twin, they discover they drive the same model car, have the same color walls, have the same speech defect...love the same pets, give them the same names...
totally amazing...

[thunder24]

Ulli,

That pretty much hit the nail on the head, thankyou for doing this. One question if its alright with you.
why did you bold some of the words;
Are these like major in depth, almost set in stone, that my chart reads because of certain positions?

Me into mystery, no, never...;)thanks

peace

[Flasky]

WOW! So seriously like twins....that is so cool. Aw I missed out :P

[ulli]

Wow...I find this thread amazingly interesting. Admittedly, I don't know much about it - and its been a great eye opener. You guys are very informative! And cool! I've never even heard of birth charts till now. O_o

Ulli, I'd also like to send you my date of birth...(I saw I've got a twin date of birth-er in here so cool!)...I hope its ok and you are not been overwhelmed with requests. Please let me know if I've sent all the right info...!

Thank you greatly!

Flasky

Your ascendant is in Sagittarius (freedom and outdoor loving)
Sun in Libra at the Midheaven...travel work...but people oriented
Moon in Aries...willful, especially during early school years...still quite impulsive... which your Libra sun is not too happy about as Libra wants to avoid making mistakes at all cost.
Mercury in Libra in the 9th...eternal student, loves to explore, debate.
Venus in Sagittarius in the 11th.. lots of friends, although has hard time making commitments, always looking for a more perfect partner
Mars in Libra in the 9th...interested in law and justice...fights for the downtrodden
Jupiter in Cancer in 7th... indicates caring partner...yet due to an independent streak you may terminate your partnerships...
did you recently dump someone? There was an angle there.
Saturn Neptune Cap 1st house: Ambitious, creative, methodical...all inspiration is instantly grounded, (possibly via lectures? moon in the third house)
Pluto in Scorpio in the 10th house: Carreer prospects are quite high, dynamic personality.

If you want to know how to find out more you can take any of these terms such as "Pluto in Scorpio", or "Pluto in the 10th house" and google them...there is endless material ...different astrologers have written their descriptions of these aspects, all for free.
Long live the www.

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Ulli,

That pretty much hit the nail on the head, thankyou for doing this. One question if its alright with you.
why did you bold some of the words;
Are these like major in depth, almost set in stone, that my chart reads because of certain positions?

Me into mystery, no, never...;)thanks

peace

That's right, because these were repeat factors, therefore those traits stood out more. Glad you liked it, Thunder.

[Flasky]

Flasky

Your ascendant is in Sagittarius (freedom and outdoor loving)
Sun in Libra at the Midheaven...travel work...but people oriented
Moon in Aries...willful, especially during early school years...still quite impulsive... which your Libra sun is not too happy about as Libra wants to avoid making mistakes at all cost.
Mercury in Libra in the 9th...eternal student, loves to explore, debate.
Venus in Sagittarius in the 11th.. lots of friends, although has hard time making commitments, always looking for a more perfect partner
Mars in Libra in the 9th...interested in law and justice...fights for the downtrodden
Jupiter in Cancer in 7th... indicates caring partner...yet due to an independent streak you may terminate your partnerships...
did you recently dump someone? There was an angle there.
Saturn Neptune Cap 1st house: Ambitious, creative, methodical...all inspiration is instantly grounded, (possibly via lectures? moon in the third house)
Pluto in Scorpio in the 10th house: Carreer prospects are quite high, dynamic personality.

If you want to know how to find out more you can take any of these terms such as "Pluto in Scorpio", or "Pluto in the 10th house" and google them...there is endless material ...different astrologers have written their descriptions of these aspects, all for free.
Long live the www.


Thank you so much Ulli - I will check that site you suggest for further curiosities...

"Jupiter in Cancer in 7th... indicates caring partner...yet due to an independent streak you may terminate your partnerships...did you recently dump someone? There was an angle there."

Yes, about 7 month or so I did end my relationship --- but not so much as I wanted to be independent from him but because it was getting abusive - his 'caring partner' attributes took an overly obsessive twist. It was a massive move on my part, was still very much in love - I had to fall really low to see his true colors and able to find the strength to walk away.

Hm, perhaps that is what is referred to 'independent streak'?

I wonder why you asked - what does the 'angle' that you saw mean?

Overall...I think it is accurate - its a bit weird reading about yourself, haha, I wonder if anyone feels the same on that.

Thank you Ulli :hug:

[ulli]

what I saw was that Saturn is in Libra this year, and earlier was making a right angle to your Jupiter in Cancer...Libra and Cancer are at right angles to each other.
So when Saturn is making a right angle to a planet one has in the 7th house (7th house means partners) usually something cools off (Saturn is an icy cold planet) and since you are Libra this year and next year is a restrictive, sad and lonely time in your life. But this energy could be used as building something longterm that will bear fruit later when Saturn leaves Libra. Saturn governs patience as well as careful planning.

[ulli]

Excellent thread, Ulli !!
Count me in.

Pming details....

I have had a few charts done, and dabbled a little also, but not at any great depth.

Blessings,

A

Astrid

you are currently in shift mode.
Uranus transiting opposite your Sun and Mercury, so for you these really are times of change...
Also Pluto square your Sun and Mercury. Losses??
when I first saw your chart and those 4 planets in the 12th house I went wow...are you of this world at all?
Looking more closely I thought maybe you live on a tiny desert island, or run a canteen in a hospital,
or even prison...feeding people, yet away from the normal 3 D world...maybe some institution where time stood still...

Moon, Venus, Mars and Neptune in Scorpio...more watery sensitive stuff...in the first house, you are in an authority position
making decisions on behalf of others...Saturn in Pisces, taking on ever more burdens, nothing is too much for you...
nearly at martyrdom level.
What about your health right now? Please take good care of yourself.
Jupiter in Cancer...more caregiving here...
Strong premonition dreams, dreams in technicolour...battles with demons to protect the world at a very high level of spiritual combat.

[Flasky]

what I saw was that Saturn is in Libra this year, and earlier was making a right angle to your Jupiter in Cancer...Libra and Cancer are at right angles to each other.
So when Saturn is making a right angle to a planet one has in the 7th house (7th house means partners) usually something cools off (Saturn is an icy cold planet) and since you are Libra this year and next year is a restrictive, sad and lonely time in your life. But this energy could be used as building something longterm that will bear fruit later when Saturn leaves Libra. Saturn governs patience as well as careful planning.

Ah...that sounds....great lol - oh well!

Thank you :)

Update

Oh I just realized you didn't really list any site in particular, lol I am so blind...Alright, bit of adventuring in the www - here I go!

[astrid]

The 12th house thing is pretty curious,
i'm still getting to the bottom of that myself,
as for being of this world, i tend to think not.
I certainly have had a VERY hard time making sense of it here, fitting in, things like the monetary system i still don't get.

But strangely enough i always have enough to do what i have to do,
so i just have faith now that all will be sorted for me to do my job here.

My heath is good, i NEVER get even a cold,
i have a pretty strong immune and healing capacity.
First i worked pretty hard to heal thine self, then others around me,
and these days i'm more working as planet and cosmic cleaner.

Yes i feed who ever needs feeding, have a few projects on the go,
with growing organics, and giving away seedlings so people can get back food gardening.
And my home is my scared space, i very much isolate myself from 3D for the most part.

One of my downfalls is i take on too much, and spread myself too thin,
but i'm getting better that saying no.

For sure this is "the time" that im here for,
all those years of early trauma and waiting around,
are now turning out to be worth riding out.

Had many big battles with some seriously dark and big entities, yes,
once i got knocked off my chair and pinned to the ground when trying to remove an entity from another person.
I was like "cool" , i called in my helpers and saw this battle play out over my head. Another time i had a dragon visitor, very interesting story that one.
I think now, this has all just part of the initiation for me here,
( along with the abusive religious family, and partners).


The losses bit, i just dodged a bullet with the bank and my house,
i managed to keep control of it, and sell it myself.
Was a loss on one hand, but now i'm more free to focus on the important tasks at hand.

What i have found is even the most dire events, soon turn out to be the greatest blessings.

Awesome read Ulli , spot on!!

[Carmody]

all the other planets could be in totally different places...so not quite the same.

When people find a real astro twin, they discover they drive the same model car, have the same color walls, have the same speech defect...love the same pets, give them the same names...
totally amazing...

Yes.... as you know (ulli has my exact birth info), I have a extremely well known person as my astro twin. Hours apart. I apparently have the more potent alignments, due to those few hours difference. Our lives and the given flow has been quite similar.

When their fame was peaking the energy levels were so high, that I was getting something out of it, it seemed. Thus the idea of pagan celebrations masquerading as Christan celebrations IS a big deal. Very much so. Energetic misplacement and theft, at the minimum.

[ulli]

what I saw was that Saturn is in Libra this year, and earlier was making a right angle to your Jupiter in Cancer...Libra and Cancer are at right angles to each other.
So when Saturn is making a right angle to a planet one has in the 7th house (7th house means partners) usually something cools off (Saturn is an icy cold planet) and since you are Libra this year and next year is a restrictive, sad and lonely time in your life. But this energy could be used as building something longterm that will bear fruit later when Saturn leaves Libra. Saturn governs patience as well as careful planning.

Ah...that sounds....great lol - oh well!

Thank you :)

Update

Oh I just realized you didn't really list any site in particular, lol I am so blind...Alright, bit of adventuring in the www - here I go!

I thought I mentioned astro.com
here is the link

www.astro.com

I have to get some rest now.
Hopefully will find a couple of hours tomorrow, as there are a few more people in line.
I was hoping for a bit more dialogue, discusssion, questions, challenges, everyone chipping in.
I guess one has to digest first before one can formulate questions.

[Flasky]

yes exactly.....there are lots of things i resonate with...but also things I am 'learning'.

Allow me to digest.

And allow yourself some peace and sleep!!!!! Sleep well :)

[ulli]

The 12th house thing is pretty curious,
i'm still getting to the bottom of that myself,
as for being of this world, i tend to think not.
I certainly have had a VERY hard time making sense of it here, fitting in, things like the monetary system i still don't get.

But strangely enough i always have enough to do what i have to do,
so i just have faith now that all will be sorted for me to do my job here.

My heath is good, i NEVER get even a cold,
i have a pretty strong immune and healing capacity.
First i worked pretty hard to heal thine self, then others around me,
and these days i'm more working as planet and cosmic cleaner.

Yes i feed who ever needs feeding, have a few projects on the go,
with growing organics, and giving away seedlings so people can get back food gardening.
And my home is my scared space, i very much isolate myself from 3D for the most part.

One of my downfalls is i take on too much, and spread myself too thin,
but i'm getting better that saying no.

For sure this is "the time" that im here for,
all those years of early trauma and waiting around,
are now turning out to be worth riding out.

Had many big battles with some seriously dark and big entities, yes,
once i got knocked off my chair and pinned to the ground when trying to remove an entity from another person.
I was like "cool" , i called in my helpers and saw this battle play out over my head. Another time i had a dragon visitor, very interesting story that one.
I think now, this has all just part of the initiation for me here,
( along with the abusive religious family, and partners).


The losses bit, i just dodged a bullet with the bank and my house,
i managed to keep control of it, and sell it myself.
Was a loss on one hand, but now i'm more free to focus on the important tasks at hand.

What i have found is even the most dire events, soon turn out to be the greatest blessings.

Awesome read Ulli , spot on!!

I'm so glad you liked my reading, as in some cases these comments can be taken the wrong way...
or induce more fears than justified.
The health factor: Saturn in the sixth house...maybe later in life protect your feet...you are still young...
as long as you are a healer your own health is protected.
having the moon st such a good angle to the midheaven could bring you a lot of income, if you started a business on your own, small babysteps to begin with, soon grow bigger...potential success story there.
I had a look at your picture after I did it, and thought that strength of yours shows in your features...also I forgot to mention your two Virgo placings...Virgos are animal lovers, and there you were, with that magnificent dog in your arms. Loved the picture.

[Carmody]

all the other planets could be in totally different places...so not quite the same.

When people find a real astro twin, they discover they drive the same model car, have the same color walls, have the same speech defect...love the same pets, give them the same names...
totally amazing...

Yes.... as you know (ulli has my exact birth info), I have a extremely well known person as my astro twin. Hours apart. I apparently have the more potent alignments, due to those few hours difference. Our lives and the given flow has been quite similar.

When their fame was peaking the energy levels were so high, that I was getting something out of it, it seemed. Thus the idea of pagan celebrations masquerading as Christan celebrations IS a big deal. Very much so. Energetic misplacement and theft, at the minimum.

I just checked the famous Astro twin. His birth time is suspect by a few minutes. Possibly an hour. His score was a whopping 4700.

[astrid]

oh yes.. animals make the best people, Louis in profile pic,
and his father Ozzie are my constant companions.
And really if it wasn't for my furry friends, i would have asked to be removed from here in my teens.
Maybe also why i'm drawn to Shamanics so much .

And the astral bit fits also pretty well, i have been working on OBE techniques lately,
My north and south node, im told, say that last time around i was more into religious areas, ( Sag),
but this time its more the occult 8th house, so thats where my focus has been.

I have an irish friend that does a mix of vedic and western astrology, his chart is similar to mine.
He also talks a bit about the "Grand Cross" i think he has a FB page on it.

Interesting stuff, i will look forward to reading more of other's charts.

Thanks again, Ulli, XX

[fosselovelight]

Thanks for this interesting thread Ulli :)

my birth details are
24 February 1986
4.00pm Melbourne Australia.





Although there are many astrology sites on the web
where one can get free basic chart readings,
it is always so much more fun to discuss charts in a group.

Experience has taught me also that as long as such discussions are kept light
people feel more comfortable to join in.

So here I am opening up this thread for astro discussion. I know I'm not the only person on the forum who has studied this and I would like everyone who can contribute to feel free to chip in.

Over the years I noticed that the mathematics of astrology are basically what is termed nowadays as "sacred geometry".

Whenever planets in our solar system make exact angles, such as 30, 60, 120 degrees harmonious energies start to filter into our lives,
while the harder angles such as 45, 90, 150 or 180 degree, or exact lineups,
bring more testy energies, sometimes from very low dimensions.

These energetic windows open and close depending on a given planet's speed,
as only a few degrees of orb, or leeway, allow stuff to flow.
Usually during a transiting aspect, the effect lasts only for the time period it takes the planet to pass from within one degree before and after the event.

But before we get too deeply into the angles
we could just look at planets in the various sun signs.
This is the most popular and basic astrology
yet much can be gleaned about reality from this.

My personal take here is that if one wants to attain balance and enlightenment
it is a good idea to study the sign OPPOSITE one's sun sign.
It shifts one's consciousness away from compulsive behaviour,
more towards a midpoint on this axis.
That way a higher level of perspective can be attained.

If you want to keep your birth data private you can always either PM it to me,
and I won't publish your three outer planets
as they can give away your exact birth year,
or else you can go to any free astro site,
and bring back your sun, moon, mercury venus mars and jupiter positions in their various signs.

We won't bother with the exact degrees for now
as that would complicate things to a point
where the excercise won't be practical for the group.
Let's see how it goes.

If you know for example that your spouse is a Leo,
and has the moon in Virgo, I would prefer it if you check with them first
if it is ok to discuss it here.
No one likes to think they are being analyzed without their consent,
especially if it is done in public.
Anyway, as long as we keep this light,
and with the main vaim on a consciousness raising excercise, it could be great.

[ulli]

Here is some homework, in case anyone is interested.
Rupert Murdoch was born March11th, 1931 in Melbourne, Australia at 11:55 pm.

[ViralSpiral]

Here is some homework, in case anyone is interested.
Rupert Murdoch was born March11th, 1931 in Melbourne, Australia at 11:55 pm.


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♥'ing the thread

[phimonic]

my details are 17.04.1980 12:30 noon , Hall in Tirol
if any of you, who is good with that could tell me something, i'd appreciate.

i also find palm-reading quite interesting. - from a book i know it is very connected with astrology - if have certain aspects in horoscope, then there are equivalent signs within hand..

[Lisab]

Yes I've been wondering about Murdoch's chart just don't know how to throw a chart I just google the basics. Judy Hall wrote a book called Astrology of a Prophet on David Icke but only published a limited number. Bet that's interesting.

[Carmody]

Yes I've been wondering about Murdoch's chart just don't know how to throw a chart I just google the basics. Judy Hall wrote a book called Astrology of a Prophet on David Icke but only published a limited number. Bet that's interesting.

David Vaughan Icke:

Birthday: April 29, 1952

Time of birth: 17:15

Place of birth: Leicester, England

[Carmody]

my details are 17.04.1980 12:30 noon , Hall in Tirol
if any of you, who is good with that could tell me something, i'd appreciate.

i also find palm-reading quite interesting. - from a book i know it is very connected with astrology - if have certain aspects in horoscope, then there are equivalent signs within hand..

The more difficult thing to do with astrology is the more difficult thing to do with Buddhist masters and the like. Both must tell their 'clientele' the truth, couched in terms that the given person can accept and understand..in a way that brings no harm. The good astrologer like the good spiritual teacher, must spend time with the individual in order to learn something about the individual. This, in order to couch the terms of the communication in the best way and or light possible.

Both must reduce the potential contextual errors in generalized communications (as such a communication on this forum would be) to create a situation where the 'answers' or 'data' given has the least potential for unintended harm. Only in person and over time can a really good reading be given, for the client must them selves be reflected in the communication.

In a general reading, the communications are so different than what the inquiring mind may consider as the basis and reality of life and existence, that even those communications can be very rewarding and/or shocking.

Even the general reading has the capacity to pique the curiosity of the intrepid inquirer.

The conclusion is that astrology is a complex multi-disciplinary system of analysis of the overall gestalt of the human condition, as a system of flow, in both time, dimensions and lives. In Modern terms, we might call this a 'renaissance' science.

However, in strict scientific protocols of the modern age, which ironically originated in astrology..this methodology has been simplified for a lesser learned and lesser complex system of specialization--- this thing called 'modern science'.

This might be seen in possibly two components. One, where this specialization allows those who are not as capable of overviews and complex meta-analysis to enter (as an endeavor) a more simplified version of such a complex system. Science as a rigidified and dogmatically inclined system, where all behavior and methodology is 'written'-in pattering behavioral and context records for the adherents to live and act by. Thus freeing the adherents of science from the base requirement for individual thought and reasoned response. Science is slowly but surely falling into that trap, it is called 'engineering', and is not an open endeavor, it is a closed dogmatic one. The second view, or more 'paranoid' (entirely valid analysis shows it is very possible)seeming possibility is that science was purposely driven down this path by those who where the originators of Astrology, the druidic endeavors and their passed down knowledge and ways -- the mystery schools, which contained Astrology as one of their cornerstone or 'fundamental origins' aspects/components. That the overt specialization and compartmentalization of modern science was a purposeful act, in order to drive mankind away from the idea of the opening of man into a higher state through the very existence of the meta or renaissance path.

Astrology is a meta-science in comparison to the overt specialization of modern 'branches' of science. the very compartmentalization of modern science has created it's own failure to see the forest for the tress, as it where.

Thus, the child of Astrology, science, this 'science' fails to recognize it's parent...Astrology..due to science's very over-specialization and heavy observation, methodology, and protocol blinders on it's minute little components. The child is purposely corrupted via their ignorance, and used as a weapon to kill off the unwanted components of the parent, via manipulation. As a comparative..This can be seen in the ways that some religious aspects are used as a grouped weapon against others and how the very idea of soldiering is used as a tool against human growth. Pol Pot and Cambodia come to mind as does that of most known similar pogroms. The usual suspects are seen at each gathering.

The same weight, in some ways, is gathered against astrology. Astrology's only real defense over the years, has been it's very real and complex levels of elevation which has caused it to slip by relatively unnoticed by most (persons) that are within the system of repression (via ignorance), due to Astrology's stated levels of complex meta-analysis.

Only the very top of this system of repression sees astrology as a threat to their structure and 'power' over the masses. The ignorance of science to the validity of astrology is the very defense that those elevated levels of control use to keep themselves safe from what is contained within astrology.

The praetorian guard aspect of science being alerted to the validity of astrology is something that they do indeed fear, as it clearly shows a pattering of life and existence that according to science, cannot and must not exist. For if it does, all their analysis and writings are not invalid....but they are skewed and shifted beyond their current beliefs, structures, and understandings. In such a scenario of change, the false walls erected in science would begin to fall.

The paradox would fall.

[Fred Steeves]

Wow, what a talented bunch we have here at Avalon! I'm proud to be amongst you. I don't want to gum up the works any more with astrology readings, I'm sure the requests can get exhausting. So, let me ask a basic question of one of our resident astrology whizzes: In the old classic song Age of Aquarius, what do they mean with "when the Moon is in the seventh house, and Jupiter aligns with Mars"?

Thanks and Cheers,
Fred

[ulli]

Wow, what a talented bunch we have here at Avalon! I'm proud to be amongst you. I don't want to gum up the works any more with astrology readings, I'm sure the requests can get exhausting. So, let me ask a basic question of one of our resident astrology whizzes: In the old classic song Age of Aquarius, what do they mean with "when the Moon is in the seventh house, and Jupiter aligns with Mars"?

Thanks and Cheers,
Fred

" the moon is in the seventh house" begs several questions "who's seventh house?", also were they born with the moon there? Which would mean their
relationships are a bit unstable, like the moon, they come and go, are fluctuating.
By transit the moon passes through my seventh house every 28 days, ie evey lunar month. Not a big deal at all.
Now the Jupiter Mars comment....
Jupiter's orbit lasts around 12 years, while Mars orbits the sun in around two year cycles. So Jupiter and Mars can be aligned every seven months or so, even more while there is retrograde motion. No big deal in itself.

To me it is clear that whoever wrote those lyrics did astrology a disservice, and had no knowledge of it.
I was never happy about that.

As far as the age of Aquarius goes, I hold some personal theories that I have not seen anywhere else.
Bear with me on this.
Aquarius is associated with invention, technology, modernism, individuality to the
point of eccentricity, but also large mechanized groups, humanity as an an idea, or ideal, revolutions, rebellion, change of system.
Speed, electricity, space travel, ...
Aquarians often feel like outsiders, as if they come from 50 years on, into a backward oldfashioned humanity stuck in the past. They can feel lonely on a crowded street thinking that all the other ( single) people out there are somehow connected to one another, only the Aquarian is alone.
The lonely outsider.
Now, when blending these images into one single salsa and reflecting on history I came to the conclusing that the true dawning of the age of Aquarius came with the Founding fathers of the US, the French Revolution, and really started rolling with the Industrial Revolution.
While until that time the fastest way to travel had been by horse, in the middle of the nineteenth century everything started to change. An amazing array of new inventions. An Aquarian speed freak must have been behind that.
The telegraph bringing communications around the globe for the first time. By the turn of the twentieth century there was little left of the Piscean age, as far as I'm concerned.

But during the sixties a line-up of several planets in Aquarius gave it another burst, although I put a lot of the sixties events down to the fact that the generation of Pluto in Leo ( sexuality and hedonism) as well as Neptune in Libra ( drugs and escape into love and harmony ) found their free expression, fuelled by the media.
To really use the language of astrology effectively one has to blend a lot of factors and then proceed from there.
Once a group of astrologers find themselves in a room together the debate never ends.
There is nothing more stimulating, mentally.

[Calz]

I knew this thread was going to rock immediately when ulli put up the OP. :rockon:

Thanks to all for participating.

[pickle]

I knew this thread was going to rock immediately when ulli put up the OP. :rockon:

Thanks to all for participating.

Indeedy, seconded, what a corker. Huge thanks to all!

[ulli]

Carmody, you are the greatest. I am in awe of you and want to thank you for your great contributions.

Whenever people asked me how astrology worked I would offer a little theory of my own, which doesn't compare to yours.
My explanation was based on something I had read in one of my Gurdjieff books, namely that shocks raise consciousness, and memory depends on consciousness.
The greatest shock or surprise we experience in life happens when the umbilical cord is cut, and air enters our lungs for the first time. At that moment there most be a feeling of immediate extinction, yet " helloooo, I' still here!!!"
It is at that moment that whatever cosmic energies are crisscrossing the room, they are leaving an imprint in each cell, maybe at the DNA level, that gets triggered at later times whenever planets pass those spots.
Of course this was just intuitive speculation on my part.
I was wondering what you might think about the contribution of our glands in this context.

[Fred Steeves]

In the old classic song Age of Aquarius, what do they mean with "when the Moon is in the seventh house, and Jupiter aligns with Mars"?





To me it is clear that whoever wrote those lyrics did astrology a disservice, and had no knowledge of it.
I was never happy about that.



Well, that about sums it it up then huh? LOL. Rather anti-climactic after years of wondering, but if it's bulls**t I'd rather know about it. Thanks.


Cheers,
Fred

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I knew this thread was going to rock immediately when ulli put up the OP. :rockon:



I have to as a stupid question here. What is an OP?

Fred

[Arpheus]

Do you need the location as well or is that irrelevant?I was told once that location is very important also?

[Calz]

OP is the post starting a thread (original post).

[ulli]

If you want to finetune your bulls++t detector all you have to do is invest three weeks of astrology study with a serious astrology website, and then look at whatever else there is out there.
After a while just a quick look at the graphics can betray the BS level of a given site.

The media looove BS astrologers...as their level is so low as to keep ordinary people from taking astrology seriously.
Once there was a conference of top astrologers, and the organizers had invited 300 journalists from the top papers and networks.
If just ten had showed up, it would have been understandable. Instead there was a ZERO turnout.
Makes you wonder.
The excuse used to be that they didn't wish to offend their bible belt viewership/readership.

[Calz]

One of most obvious things that lowers astro in many people's eye is the common horoscope put in the newspaper.

This needs to be based exclusively on the Sun sign. No doubt they do the best they can but that is such a limited approach it hinders as much as helps.

[ulli]

Do you need the location as well or is that irrelevant?I was told once that location is very important also?

The location gives the time zone...longitude and latitude....without which the birth time makes no sense.
The calculation becomes mathematically precise once this data is available, taking into consideration not only the earth's orbit around the sun, but furthermore the earth's rotation around it's own axis.

The workload of the astrologer increases exponentially the more data is available.
After thirty years I can still discover new info when looking at my chart.

One of my aims here is to trigger genuine interest in astrology setting people on the path of independent investigation.
To see ourselves as we really are, not as we fantasize ourselves to be; that becomes possible when one's own chart is analyzed.

[Carmody]

The best way to get a grip on the validity of astrology is to put it to the test.

Robert Hand. One of the best. The transit information (which my 'Venus Trine Neptune' is), is from the celebrated Astrologer and author, Robert Hand, brother of Barbara Hand Clow.

Out there in web-land is a website that goes by the name of 'astrodienst'. It is located at: www.astro.com

On it you can find a place to become a user of the site, which is free.

You enter your birth data (which must be complete, down to the minute), and it will give you a daily horoscope that is specific to YOU at the very important full individual level. Test astrology for yourself on a daily basis.

For example for me, from their website, for today:

For the benefit of all

This can be a very pleasant time, although it is not very good for getting things done. You are more likely to spend time in fantasy and daydreams than in working in the everyday world. But if you are involved in any creative activity that has to develop completely inside your mind before taking physical form, this is an extremely useful influence. At its highest, it enables you to deal with people with great compassion and tenderness. In your close relationships you act for the benefit of all concerned, not only to satisfy your own needs and desires. A relationship that begins during this time has the double potential of being very spiritual or insubstantial and illusory. Time will show you whether it is a real spiritual relationship between "soul-mates" or just a delusion to that effect.

The interpretation above is for your transit selected for today:
Venus Trine Neptune, , exact at 14:31
activity period from 15 July 2011 to 17 July 2011

And that is the way my horoscope bounces. :p

Now, what does "Venus Trine Neptune" mean?

Well, the current position of Venus, in the skies..today..right now...It is 'trining' (at 120 degrees angle in the sky) the original position of Neptune in the sky, during my moment of Birth.

I was imbibed (Absorb or assimilate) with a certain 'angle of entry into me' (modified by the other planets as well) of the energy of Neptune. It's vibratory signature that was of scalar energies..as measured or observed at physical point of my position on the earth's globe, at the moment of my birth.

Now, the real and current energies of Venus in the sky today, is impinging upon the patterns of existence created in me via Neptune at my point of birth. In effect the power of Venus is in good aspect or angle to my Neptune and that is embellishing my Neptunian features I possess with some Venusian features. Those Venusian features also have an individual flavor and type according to where Venus sits in the sky today. A Trine is 'harmonious' alignment, as opposed to a 'square', which is at 90 degrees and 270 degrees.

Good day form me to be doing this, as I was and am. I'm humming this tune in my head right now..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBpyuSPqWvU

[Fred Steeves]

If you want to finetune your bulls++t detector all you have to do is invest three weeks of astrology study with a serious astrology website, and then look at whatever else there is out there.
After a while just a quick look at the graphics can betray the BS level of a given site.



Thanks ulli. Two questions:

1) Do you recommend for study the website you mentioned earlier as your favorite?

2) What do ya'll think of what David Icke says about astrology, that yes it is accurate, like rolling the bones with Credo Mutwa, but it is still just accurate as part of this false matrix construct, and can therefore be transcended.


Cheers,
Fred

[Chuck]

Hello Uli, Carmody and others who have contributed here.

I have never had an interest in astrology because I never was acquainted with anyone with enough knowledge (in my opinion) on the subject.

I have sent you both a PM with my date of birth (not sure of time of birth).

In the following days and weeks, I would like to begin an education on this subject.

Thank you for igniting an interest!

[Lisab]

Hi ulli just checking you got my pm back cos I've never done it before and I know I'm rubbish with all things tech. Don't worry if u have as I've said no rush take your time. Just want to make sure you got it!

[ulli]

One of most obvious things that lowers astro in many people's eye is the common horoscope put in the newspaper.

This needs to be based exclusively on the Sun sign. No doubt they do the best they can but that is such a limited approach it hinders as much as helps.

Yet when I worked for two years as a newspaper horoscope columnist, and each week analyzed each sun sign according to the other planets relative positions I got some amazing feedback from the newspaper staff.
The owner called me in person to tell me that in all the paper's history it had never happened that each and every staff member would open the paper as soon as it came off the press, and went right to the horoscope page.
Of course it helped that I made it a bit wicked, and naughty, and they all had a good laugh at each other's expense.

Once I told Pisceans that they would be going through home changes, and perhaps buy some home decorating magazines for ideas, and was later told by several that exact thing had happened to them. Go figure!

By the way...a favourite astrologer of mine...apart from Robert Hand whom Carmody just mentioned, is Michael Lutin.
You can find him on Youtube...he also authored several books and writes the column for Vanity Fair magazine.

[ulli]

Hi ulli just checking you got my pm back cos I've never done it before and I know I'm rubbish with all things tech. Don't worry if u have as I've said no rush take your time. Just want to make sure you got it!

Lisa,
You are next in line....there are about ten more after you, but may have to wait till Monday as I have some family obligations this weekend.

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One thing that would help me enormously, and save time at my end, is if people could find the longitude, latitude and time zone including whether summertime was in place at the time of their birth.
This can be easily found by writing your birthplace in the search box, together with the words longitude and time zone. It just takes a bit of time but would make my job easier.

[Lisab]

Go see your family and have a great weekend. Thanks for this thread it's much appreciated x

[ulli]

If you want to finetune your bulls++t detector all you have to do is invest three weeks of astrology study with a serious astrology website, and then look at whatever else there is out there.
After a while just a quick look at the graphics can betray the BS level of a given site.



Thanks ulli. Two questions:

1) Do you recommend for study the website you mentioned earlier as your favorite?

2) What do ya'll think of what David Icke says about astrology, that yes it is accurate, like rolling the bones with Credo Mutwa, but it is still just accurate as part of this false matrix construct, and can therefore be transcended.


Cheers,
Fred

I'm not familiar with what David Icke says about astrology, having followed him only superficially...I never came across any videos where he mentioned it.
On the other hand I did read what Carl Sagan had to say about it, (condemned it) and I then knew immediately that he was a mouth piece for the elite.

My view on this is this: take a snow flake...you can predict with certainty that it will have six points.
Or a hibiscus flower...five petals. There are patterns and designs throughout nature.
The lines in a hand.
Molecular structures.
All are predictable.
Like the laws of physics...hot and cold air interact and make water molecules.
Astrology studies these same patterns, except it uses the solar system and the predictable motions of the planets and stars, in some cases...even asteroids, and then compares those movements to events in personal lives.
Then one can discover a connection...one can even predict events in a similar way as a weather forecast can...not 100% certainty, but more often than not, trhe closer to a given event, the more dta is available for precise predictions.
For instance when a hurricane approaches land the exact coastal location is not known until the last moment, yet there is certainty that it won't go into reverse gear. In that way astrology can become a useful tool in managing one's life, up to a point.

[ulli]

Hello Uli, Carmody and others who have contributed here.

I have never had an interest in astrology because I never was acquainted with anyone with enough knowledge (in my opinion) on the subject.

I have sent you both a PM with my date of birth (not sure of time of birth).

In the following days and weeks, I would like to begin an education on this subject.

Thank you for igniting an interest!

I have not received any data from you, Chuck.

[ulli]

here is the list of people I will do as soon as I get more time...probaby this afternoon, after lunch.
I promise I won't drink any wine, so as to be clear headed...hehe...:
(in this given order)
Lisab, Belle, Spaceyman, fosselovelight, phimonic, 7eagle14, kathymarie, arpheus, red_rose, JohannaStarr

[finally there!!!]

hi ulli thanks for the great thread.. iv always been curios about astrology and my star sign and stuff like that up but untill recently never really made the connections that it actually means some things.
anyways i hope you dont mind another request. il send my details on by pm.. thanks again ;-)

[Chuck]

Hello Uli, Carmody and others who have contributed here.

I have never had an interest in astrology because I never was acquainted with anyone with enough knowledge (in my opinion) on the subject.

I have sent you both a PM with my date of birth (not sure of time of birth).

In the following days and weeks, I would like to begin an education on this subject.

Thank you for igniting an interest!

I have not received any data from you, Chuck.

Sorry about that Uli... because I sent both you and Carmody a PM, I got rejected because Carmody's PM inbox is full. Anyways... resent. Enjoy your day with family!

[ulli]

Lisab

you do have a lot of planets in water signs...in fact you have what is called a Grand Trine in water.
I got Jupiter conjunct Ascendant in Cancer...sometimes the summer time thingy can throw me off..I don't think they had turned the clocks forward yet...

Anyway, here goes:
Asc. Cancer
Sun in Pisces in the 9th
Moon in Pisces in the 9th
Mercury in Pisces in the 9th
the 9th house gives a strong explorer urge, while Pisces of course is all about finding heaven...so now we know what you are searching for..

Venus in Aries, in the 10th
you relate well with people on a professional level, in love matters a bit impulsive, often over-idealizing or over-estimating new friends...later feel a bit let down.
But if your profession brings you in contact with a lot of women it can be very helpful to be like that.
Mars in Scorpio in the 4th...you love to invest your energies in the home...fixing stuff, decorating...this is in contrast to your travel urges...love to leave home and love to get back...but sometimes your feuds (Mars) are at the family level (4th house)

Jupiter on the Ascendant: very lucky placing...generosity, happy positive outlook.
Since it's in Cancer it makes you nurturing...you love to feed people.

Saturn on the MC, in Aries...this would work well if you were a legislator by profession, or wield some sort of authority...position of high responsiblity.
If you don't have such an outlet then you may feel professionally unfulfilled, blocked, not sure of your worth.
It's important to remember that in astrology the bad can have a good application, and the best planets sometimes can also lead to downfall.
Everything is like a battery, everything has a plus and a minus pole.
it is up to each of us how we want to direct these energies.
my job is to help people to a sense of empowerment, that they are no longer victims of the negative application.

At the end of September there may be a one week period
when the opposition of Saturn to your natal Venus
could cause a rift in a relationship...
knowing about it beforehand you can either decide to dig into your reserves,
and decide if you want to let it affect you and make a change, or whether to ride it out.
On the whole a smooth chart, I see no tragedies, major dramas, accidents.
Let me kow if I'm off in any way.

...wait a minute, I overlooked the fact that you have an exact Pluto-sun opposition in your chart...this can give quite a few powerful blows, as Pluto being ruler of Scorpio adds a bit of spice to your life.
So whenever a planet sits at 19 Gemini or 19 Sagittarius, like Pluto did at the end of November of 2003, there could have been quite an apheaval.

[Lisab]

Brilliant and so spot on especially the events of 2003. My son has come home unexpectedly from his w/end stay with his dad so i'l pick up elaborate further later. Thankyou Ulli love Lisa x

[Herbert]

brief questions: All else being equal, would a ten month gestation baby have a different horoscope than a normal 9 month gestation?

What is more important, place of conception or place of birth?

Would an Aspergers and gemini combination guarantee a Mr Spock? ( I mean the messenger aspect of Gemini needing to mingle vs the confounding social abilities of Aspies - would it not tear the person apart internally?) I realize that a logical, step-by-step rational mind that is well grounded could make the Aspie adjust but the internal turmoil . . .

[ulli]

brief questions: All else being equal, would a ten month gestation baby have a different horoscope than a normal 9 month gestation?

What is more important, place of conception or place of birth?

Would an Aspergers and gemini combination guarantee a Mr Spock? ( I mean the messenger aspect of Gemini needing to mingle vs the confounding social abilities of Aspies - would it not tear the person apart internally?) I realize that a logical, step-by-step rational mind that is well grounded could make the Aspie adjust but the internal turmoil . . .

The same question could be asked about a premature birth. Astrology charts are based on the moment of the first breath, whenever that happens.

If conception was as easily known as the birth moment then a new branch of astrology would immediately be created, that analyzes such data.
One can even take a nation, such as the US...and compare it's historic events to it's birth time.
Astrologers do it all the time, although I specialize more in people and how they corelate.

Autism often manifests in a person who's chart shows a hard angle between Saturn and Mercury...since Mercury is associated with Gemini, and Saturn with aloofness, so yes, I believe you raised a valid point here.

[Carmody]

Hello Uli, Carmody and others who have contributed here.

I have never had an interest in astrology because I never was acquainted with anyone with enough knowledge (in my opinion) on the subject.

I have sent you both a PM with my date of birth (not sure of time of birth).

In the following days and weeks, I would like to begin an education on this subject.

Thank you for igniting an interest!

I have not received any data from you, Chuck.

Sorry about that Uli... because I sent both you and Carmody a PM, I got rejected because Carmody's PM inbox is full. Anyways... resent. Enjoy your day with family!

i apologize for that, I'll clear it out.

My deal is that I'm not an astrologer, I've never done charts for other people. What I did is I explored and worked with astrology on a near 365 day a year, four year long period. I needed to know it's validity and origins.

I was fitting it's meta analysis into my meta analysis.

I could probably begin to do charts but that is a long path and like riding your first bike, you usually dump yourself in the dirt a few times. Suffice it to say that It's not an easy thing to get to the point where one can do charts for people and tell or show them the things they need to hear. To know what is relevant or not, when it comes to doing a chart and sharing the reading with the client. Ulli's done that before and I'll leave that area to her expertise.

Someone asked me in a PM a question about my bit on Frank Burn's astromart software and the numbers he gives, and I can answer that question, to some degree.

[ulli]

Carmody
A person's search for meaning is higher still than their search for self.
How many times have I sat with a client and amazed them with accurate descriptions of events in their lives that I could not possibly have known beforehand.
And how many times was I amazed that they just wanted more and more confirmation, and never showed amazement at the grand scheme of creation.
That baffled me, without fail.
Nowadays I live way out in the country and hardly ever read charts for people any more, which is why I agreed to do a bit here at Avalon.
Allthewhile hoping that someone will catch fire and start asking the real existential questions
"How come everything is sooo perfect", instead of "how come everything is so imperfect?"
Fitting astrology's meta analysis into their meta analysis.

[ulli]

Belle's chart:
first thing that jumped at me: Leo with a strong Scorpio factor, not only the Scorpio Acs., but also Pluto, the ruler of Scorpio, conjunct your sun in the 10th house. and opposite your moon in Aquarius in the 4th.
With that much capacity to your name..., your life is best lived if you are in a leadership position.
Your friends and aquantances are also natural leaders....you get your advice from people who have been there, done that...
You also have a Venus Mercury conjunction in Virgo...although you can see people's flaws you are careful not to criticize them openly, venus there makes you diplomatic...so that could also contribute to having a successful carreer
the conflict you experience is to do with your Moon in the 4th house...rebellious towards your roots, yet reluctant to cut that umbilical cord.
Mars in Cancer in the 9th also brings some tension, while being a homebuddy, yet there are strong impulses to get on a plane and far far away...

emotionally well controlled, (Pluto opp Moon) sometimes impatient...(Jupiter square Mars and Uranus) sensitive (Jupiter opp. Neptune...also Neptune in the 12th house)
There were difficulties in your life beginning at the end of Nov 2008...2009 was really a tough year...did you lose a close friend, or loved relative?Things are much better now.

[ulli]

Spaceyman
Scorpio Asc with Saturn conjunction...intense, aloof, controlling, strong physical urges which you know how to control (most of the time)
Sun conjunct Uranus in Sagittarius...fiercely independent, always going your own way...inventive, humanitarian.
Full second house: money finds you easily yet you are also very generous with it, knowing there will always be more.
Moon -Pluto conjunction in Scorpio in the 12th house: ...very secretive, keeping your emotions under wraps. but also strong psychic and telepathic abilities.
Mars in Libra in the 11th house: you fight for the underpriviledged, your buddies are mostly males...street-wise.

Things must have been really rough during the first week in March of this year.

[Belle]

Ulli, thanks so much for the reading...it is absolutely correct! Amazing! I can't believe how spot on you are with my personality and the "ying/yang" of feelings and actions.

Beginning November, 2008 through 2009 we almost lost our home to foreclosure, husband had quadruple bypass and had come very close to death, 2 relatives died and more....2010 was a good year, but this year has been another hell like 2008/2009, though I am at peace through all the **** that is going on.

I'd love to know much more about astrology. Where would you recommend I start?

[ulli]

fosselovelight:

Asc Gemini: communicative, gullible.
Sun Jupiter conjunction in Pisces in the 8th: very very sensitive, can be invaded easily by entities unless has up strong protection shield.
(hey, how about exchanging some of your experiences with Omniverse?)
Moon I'n not sure of...if your birth hour was 2 minutes sooner than the time you gave me your Moon would be in Leo, 2 minutes later in Virgo.
The difference here would be considerable because of your health issues: a Virgo moon could add to the 3 factors in your 6th house which rules health matters)
Mercury in Pisces in the 10th Venus in Pisces in the 9th, Neptune in Cap in the 7th...so much water...even your partners could be watery Piscean types...very artistic, at the least.
I'm concerned about your sixth house, (health) the sign is Sagittarius, and Uranus, Mars and Saturn were all in there, which could indicate health stuff being your main problem in life.
The period that Pluto passed through there is thank god over, but it could have made your teen years hell.
Trouble began already in 1997, but when Pluto was conjunct your Mars during the first 4 months of 2000, things went a bit out of control.
Then in March of 2004 there were some major changes, also not an easy period to have to live through.
Things are sooo much better now.

Carmody shared a really great website, which is free and you might want to bookmark where you can keep tabs on planetary transits.

www.new-astrology.com

I was wondering if you studied any of the healing arts, as a result of your 6th house placings.

With Pluto currently hopping over your 7th house Neptune you might be getting settled into a new relationship...or at least, if already settled, relationship factors are on the top of your priority list now.

Your teen years must have made you stronger, since you are now here at Avalon. I want to congratulate you for your survival skills.
I honestly think your future looks quite bright now...

[ulli]

Ulli, thanks so much for the reading...it is absolutely correct! Amazing! I can't believe how spot on you are with my personality and the "ying/yang" of feelings and actions.

Beginning November, 2008 through 2009 we almost lost our home to foreclosure, husband had quadruple bypass and had come very close to death, 2 relatives died and more....2010 was a good year, but this year has been another hell like 2008/2009, though I am at peace through all the **** that is going on.

I'd love to know much more about astrology. Where would you recommend I start?

I started with Linda Goodman's books, then Liz Greene's, before even learning how to set up charts.
I trust that the web is the greatest tool there is, just write astrology for beginners, and then let your intuition guide you to the websites that were designed just for you.. then start reading.
Compare what you learn there to the facts, and trust the process, it gets easier the more time you spend investigating.
...your family members are the people you know best..
in the post just above this one I quoted a great link, supplied earlier by Carmody.
You can get a really good analysis of the charts you want to learn about right there.

[ulli]

Carmody shared this link yesterday...having explained the energies of a Venus Neptune trine.

I only now got around to listening to it...
total chill-out stuff....
ambient music lovers would like this, so here it is again...
over 7 minutes of cool music.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBpyuSPqWvU

[Arpheus]

hanks so much for the chart Ulli you were right about so many things i am amazed how exact astrology can be sometimes,i just moved two months ago so that wont be happening again anytime soon hopefully,and if it did i wouldnt be able to move back to any parents cause they live overseas and i am in the USA been here for the last 13 years,not going anywhere because my son is here and we both need each other,he is my emotional anchor ,about the internet there is nowhere else i can cut my expnenses at this point so as much as i hate doing this today is my last day that i will be able to go online from hime,i have to do this but hopefully will be a temporary thing and one way or another i am looking at this change as a good thing for myself,i would like to take this opportunity to say thank you to all my avalonian friends and i will miss many of you ,it will be a bit painfull at first but i have dealt with pain my whole life and this wont take me down i am a fighter always been struggles come and go its part of life,once again thanks you Ulli i really appreciate it,to my avalon family i wont be around much anymore today is my last day here,i will be back someday if at goes right at some point,keep the chin up and keep the fight strong folks,eventually the scale will tip in our favor and then its only a matter of time,i love you all i really do places like these helped me keep me inner balance and not lose my sanity i salute you all!!

Vini

[ulli]

Vini,
I wish you all the best, I'm sure you'll be dropping by to say hi quite often,
and please let us know when you need help.
Even if we can just send strong energy waves, you will get the goodies somehow.
Take care.

[Arpheus]

I will take all the positive vibes you guys can send me way thats for sure,thank you Ulli you helped me a lot trust me thanks !

[ulli]

There was once a very active and inspiring astrology forum on yahoogroups...and one of the greatest contributers (amongst many others) was Sandy Hughes.
I just found one of her several websites...very colourful stuff...
her style is quite different from mine, but I think would appeal to many of the ladies here.

Here is a list of astrology books for beginners, as recommended by Sandy:

http://www.aquarianzone.net/bkastess.html

[ulli]

Ulli, thanks so much for the reading...it is absolutely correct! Amazing! I can't believe how spot on you are with my personality and the "ying/yang" of feelings and actions.

Beginning November, 2008 through 2009 we almost lost our home to foreclosure, husband had quadruple bypass and had come very close to death, 2 relatives died and more....2010 was a good year, but this year has been another hell like 2008/2009, though I am at peace through all the **** that is going on.

I'd love to know much more about astrology. Where would you recommend I start?

Here is a nice website and very clear in layout. I just googled "Venus Mercury conjunction"
which is one of your planetary features, and again this great website came up.
With a lot more detail than I gave you.

http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/mercuryvenusaspects.html

[fosselovelight]

Thank you Ulli! thank you for taking the time to work out my chart. everything you have written is completely relevant. I will definitely check out that link.
Thank you again. :)






fosselovelight:

Asc Gemini: communicative, gullible.
Sun Jupiter conjunction in Pisces in the 8th: very very sensitive, can be invaded easily by entities unless has up strong protection shield.
(hey, how about exchanging some of your experiences with Omniverse?)
Moon I'n not sure of...if your birth hour was 2 minutes sooner than the time you gave me your Moon would be in Leo, 2 minutes later in Virgo.
The difference here would be considerable because of your health issues: a Virgo moon could add to the 3 factors in your 6th house which rules health matters)
Mercury in Pisces in the 10th Venus in Pisces in the 9th, Neptune in Cap in the 7th...so much water...even your partners could be watery Piscean types...very artistic, at the least.
I'm concerned about your sixth house, (health) the sign is Sagittarius, and Uranus, Mars and Saturn were all in there, which could indicate health stuff being your main problem in life.
The period that Pluto passed through there is thank god over, but it could have made your teen years hell.
Trouble began already in 1997, but when Pluto was conjunct your Mars during the first 4 months of 2000, things went a bit out of control.
Then in March of 2004 there were some major changes, also not an easy period to have to live through.
Things are sooo much better now.

Carmody shared a really great website, which is free and you might want to bookmark where you can keep tabs on planetary transits.

www.new-astrology.com

I was wondering if you studied any of the healing arts, as a result of your 6th house placings.

With Pluto currently hopping over your 7th house Neptune you might be getting settled into a new relationship...or at least, if already settled, relationship factors are on the top of your priority list now.

Your teen years must have made you stronger, since you are now here at Avalon. I want to congratulate you for your survival skills.
I honestly think your future looks quite bright now...

[fosselovelight]

Hi Arpheus

Thank you for sharing your current experience. I know it must not be easy, sending you positive vibes and love.




I will take all the positive vibes you guys can send me way thats for sure,thank you Ulli you helped me a lot trust me thanks !

[ulli]

I always wake up these days around 2 am and can't sleep, so got my ipad and start searching for something to share on this thread.
This page below transported me....
About an astrologer who owned an occult book store on Lexington Avenue in N.Y. City...and who gave classes there.
Just the image of rooms lined with books from floor to ceiling reminds me of another life...
the search was so much more sensual then, which appealed to my moon in Taurus.
Now having universal knowledge under my fingertips...no more books...just endless websites...it is truly fantastic, and appeals to my Mercury in Aquarius...

Nevertheless, something is missing....
So reading this page, you'll understand what I mean.

http://solsticepoint.com/astrologersmemorial/masonz.html

[ulli]

This huge data bank at www.astro.com has the charts not only of thousands of famous people but also of countries and even of earth quakes.

I don't know how many of you are familiar with chart wheels, and how to read the planets symbols, the symbols for the signs, and the lines that mark the angles...red lines mark right angles and oppositions, while the blue lines mark trines and sextiles.

Here is the chart wheel for the moment of the Haiti earthquake.
At the time Saturn and Pluto were are right angles with the moon and Mercury joining Pluto, meanwhile Mars was opposite the Jupiter Neptune conjunction.

This was obviously a very stressful moment for our solar system.
The main question is whether this was just a natural event, or whether the planetary stresses were filtered through the consciousness of millions of stressed Haitians, who then projected their inner chaos onto their outer reality, or whether it was nudged along by HAARP weather technologies, which used the planetary alignment as their cover.http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Nature:_Earthquake_Haiti

[ulli]

There have been over 2000 views of this thread...which is why I keep going, sharing stuff.

But I have to say, I'm surprised at how little participation there has been recently...
Apart from a long line of chart requests which came straight to my PM box, and which I will now continue to work on, as promised.
Can't we at least chat a bit about the 12 sunsigns?
Surely everyone has some ideas to offer.

[ulli]

Here is your reading, Phimonic,

You are self confident, comfortable with public appearances, have musical abilities.
You expect your work to be adventurous, and to produce immediate results.
You are interested in anything foreign, people, cultures, travel, in other words: you are a seeker.
You become bored quite easily.

You get on great with women, and have many women friends.

You will always have a hard time saving money, it takes conscious effort.

Early childhood education was quite strict, some obstacles there...maybe also difficulties with (older?) siblings...
Parent relationship also intense.

Your greatest surprises will come via your children, and also your greatest inspiration.

Normally I don't bother telling Aries about their past as they are so action oriented that their memories don't function too well, but you may remember the last week of August of 2010...

that was a rough ride, which made you depressed.

Things are so much better now, although for the next few weeks your energy body becomes even more electric, and might affect your computers...
so back up your hard drive.

And let me repeat one more time: keep an eye on those spending impulses.
Shorten your Christmas shopping list.

[ulli]

Here is your reading, 7eagle14:

although your birthchart is one of the most harmonious I have seen in ages, with great potential careerwise
yet I'm seeing you going through quite an upheaval right at this moment. There are several planets lined up causing stresses all at the same time, and the most afflicted planet is your Moon... which is in Cancer in the 7th house.
The moon governs our relationships with our mothers, and you were born with a Pluto/ Moon square, so there could have been a love hate thing going on all your life. Then you also have the moon in the seventh house (partnership) and wanted to find a partner who was your mum at her best
and this is now being tested.
The other transit that's going on right now is Saturn sitting right on the degree of your birth Pluto, which was in the 10th house (carreer)
so there could be some changes at work that you weren't quite prepared for.

You are an extremely hardworking person, and will always have a great carreer. Whatever is happening now, once you have adapted to it will bring you to an even better space, just drop those Cancerian fears and start trusting your lucky stars.
Do not feel overwhelmed right now, as all of this shall pass soon, and you will find yourself in exactly the place where you always wanted to be, but didn't have the guts to go voluntarily.
So life is doing it for you...everything will be ok.
Your two planets in your seventh house indicate two major relationships in your life.

There is much happiness still in store for you, even if it doesn't look like that now.
Sorry to have to be the bringer of such news...if you have further questions
please bring them here and some of the others can perhaps give you a second opinion.

[Wings]

Here is some homework, in case anyone is interested.
Rupert Murdoch was born March11th, 1931 in Melbourne, Australia at 11:55 pm.

.... well Pluto transiting his ascendant would be the big kicker at the moment, I think.

[ulli]

Here is your reading Red_rose

Asc Libra, Midheaven Leo
Sun in Sagittarius is the 2nd house: idealistic, yet love your stuff...will never have too many money worries.
Moon in Aquarius in the 4th: You LOVE your parents even though you may be a handful as a daughter, due to the square with Uranus and Mercury
Mercury in Scorpio in the second: detective mind, sometimes quite psychic, very intuitive due to the conjunction with Uranus, you know EVERYTHINK, gurl!!
Venus (hope you are sitting down) your Venus is afflicted due to a square from Saturn. There are two factors here against forming a happy love relationship: Venus being in Sagittarius means you can't commit, as the grass is always greener on the other side and the square from saturn means you don't really trust anyone, and thus keep you distance...yet thinking the "nobody loves me" wail.
Mars in Virgo, 10th house: you are a dedicated work horse who will continuously strive to perfect your art.
Jupiter in Virgo in the 10th adds even more emphasis to the above, and brings openings and plenty of success.
Saturn in Virgo in the 11th...you see the council of wise and mature friends and are a loyal friend yourself.
Uranus in Scorpio in the 2nd house square your moon which is in aquarius: this also can cause sudden mood swings which has others quite perplexed, although your family know and accept you and that's where you feel safest.
Pluto in Libra in the 12th: premonition dreams, strong psychic ability.
Your toughest year was 2007, especially October. Also July of 1997 was very difficult.
Your carreer will really take off by April 2012,
so if you don't have a website already I recommend that you get yourself one....make it beautiful and you will do extremely well.

[ulli]

Here is some homework, in case anyone is interested.
Rupert Murdoch was born March11th, 1931 in Melbourne, Australia at 11:55 pm.

.... well Pluto transiting his ascendant would be the big kicker at the moment, I think.



Wings, you have been hiding your light in the wings, I see...lol.

Well spotted. Thanks.

[Wings]

I'm enjoying your thread. Keep posting. I'm not an astrologer, but occasionally look at charts out of interest.

[red_rose]

Here is your reading Red_rose

Asc Libra, Midheaven Leo
Sun in Sagittarius is the 2nd house: idealistic, yet love your stuff...will never have too many money worries.
Moon in Aquarius in the 4th: You LOVE your parents even though you may be a handful as a daughter, due to the square with Uranus and Mercury
Mercury in Scorpio in the second: detective mind, sometimes quite psychic, very intuitive due to the conjunction with Uranus, you know EVERYTHINK, gurl!!
Venus (hope you are sitting down) your Venus is afflicted due to a square from Saturn. There are two factors here against forming a happy love relationship: Venus being in Sagittarius means you can't commit, as the grass is always greener on the other side and the square from saturn means you don't really trust anyone, and thus keep you distance...yet thinking the "nobody loves me" wail.
Mars in Virgo, 10th house: you are a dedicated work horse who will continuously strive to perfect your art.
Jupiter in Virgo in the 10th adds even more emphasis to the above, and brings openings and plenty of success.
Saturn in Virgo in the 11th...you see the council of wise and mature friends and are a loyal friend yourself.
Uranus in Scorpio in the 2nd house square your moon which is in aquarius: this also can cause sudden mood swings which has others quite perplexed, although your family know and accept you and that's where you feel safest.
Pluto in Libra in the 12th: premonition dreams, strong psychic ability.
Your toughest year was 2007, especially October. Also July of 1997 was very difficult.
Your carreer will really take off by April 2012,
so if you don't have a website already I recommend that you get yourself one....make it beautiful and you will do extremely well.

wow thanks Ulli. You hit the nail on the head with some aspects there. 1997 was around the time my parents split up which broke my idealist heart. 2007 can't quite think what was so wrong with that year, maybe that will come to me.

The love commitment I'm not sure about, I'm in an 8 year relationship but I'm not married so maybe that is showing it's head there, and I trust my partner with my life and heart.

Weirdly, I have recently been thinking about starting a website with a blog about getting involved with nature, hhhmmmm.

Some things did definitely resonate enough for me to look further into astrology, which I think your chart reading for people will provoke others to do. So don't feel disheartened that people aren't talking enough in this thread as you are being a catalyst as we speak.

Thank you for your time angel.

red_rose

[ulli]

I'm enjoying your thread. Keep posting. I'm not an astrologer, but occasionally look at charts out of interest.

Thanks, Wings.
Professing an interest is the first step to becoming a pro.

[ulli]

Here is your reading Red_rose

Asc Libra, Midheaven Leo
Sun in Sagittarius is the 2nd house: idealistic, yet love your stuff...will never have too many money worries.
Moon in Aquarius in the 4th: You LOVE your parents even though you may be a handful as a daughter, due to the square with Uranus and Mercury
Mercury in Scorpio in the second: detective mind, sometimes quite psychic, very intuitive due to the conjunction with Uranus, you know EVERYTHINK, gurl!!
Venus (hope you are sitting down) your Venus is afflicted due to a square from Saturn. There are two factors here against forming a happy love relationship: Venus being in Sagittarius means you can't commit, as the grass is always greener on the other side and the square from saturn means you don't really trust anyone, and thus keep you distance...yet thinking the "nobody loves me" wail.
Mars in Virgo, 10th house: you are a dedicated work horse who will continuously strive to perfect your art.
Jupiter in Virgo in the 10th adds even more emphasis to the above, and brings openings and plenty of success.
Saturn in Virgo in the 11th...you see the council of wise and mature friends and are a loyal friend yourself.
Uranus in Scorpio in the 2nd house square your moon which is in aquarius: this also can cause sudden mood swings which has others quite perplexed, although your family know and accept you and that's where you feel safest.
Pluto in Libra in the 12th: premonition dreams, strong psychic ability.
Your toughest year was 2007, especially October. Also July of 1997 was very difficult.
Your carreer will really take off by April 2012,
so if you don't have a website already I recommend that you get yourself one....make it beautiful and you will do extremely well.

wow thanks Ulli. You hit the nail on the head with some aspects there. 1997 was around the time my parents split up which broke my idealist heart. 2007 can't quite think what was so wrong with that year, maybe that will come to me.

The love commitment I'm not sure about, I'm in an 8 year relationship but I'm not married so maybe that is showing it's head there, and I trust my partner with my life and heart.

Weirdly, I have recently been thinking about starting a website with a blog about getting involved with nature, hhhmmmm.

Some things did definitely resonate enough for me to look further into astrology, which I think your chart reading for people will provoke others to do. So don't feel disheartened that people aren't talking enough in this thread as you are being a catalyst as we speak.

Thank you for your time angel.

red_rose

About the Venus square Saturn...the cases where it does work out well, is when the partner is "saturnian" in some ways...
that could be by either being a Capricorn, or having a Capricorn Ascendant or Moon, also if they are another sign, yet have Saturn in the first house.
Another strong Saturn factor would be if they were born with saturn conjunct their sun. Sometimes having a planet in close proximity to one's sun can mean that the sign that planet rules is manifested louder than the actual sun sign.
This is what I got from experience, rather than read in books.

All those factors produce a similar energy that your Venus could then relate to. If they also have a few sagittarian factors in their chart it means they allow you the space you require.

[red_rose]

Here is your reading Red_rose

Asc Libra, Midheaven Leo
Sun in Sagittarius is the 2nd house: idealistic, yet love your stuff...will never have too many money worries.
Moon in Aquarius in the 4th: You LOVE your parents even though you may be a handful as a daughter, due to the square with Uranus and Mercury
Mercury in Scorpio in the second: detective mind, sometimes quite psychic, very intuitive due to the conjunction with Uranus, you know EVERYTHINK, gurl!!
Venus (hope you are sitting down) your Venus is afflicted due to a square from Saturn. There are two factors here against forming a happy love relationship: Venus being in Sagittarius means you can't commit, as the grass is always greener on the other side and the square from saturn means you don't really trust anyone, and thus keep you distance...yet thinking the "nobody loves me" wail.
Mars in Virgo, 10th house: you are a dedicated work horse who will continuously strive to perfect your art.
Jupiter in Virgo in the 10th adds even more emphasis to the above, and brings openings and plenty of success.
Saturn in Virgo in the 11th...you see the council of wise and mature friends and are a loyal friend yourself.
Uranus in Scorpio in the 2nd house square your moon which is in aquarius: this also can cause sudden mood swings which has others quite perplexed, although your family know and accept you and that's where you feel safest.
Pluto in Libra in the 12th: premonition dreams, strong psychic ability.
Your toughest year was 2007, especially October. Also July of 1997 was very difficult.
Your carreer will really take off by April 2012,
so if you don't have a website already I recommend that you get yourself one....make it beautiful and you will do extremely well.

wow thanks Ulli. You hit the nail on the head with some aspects there. 1997 was around the time my parents split up which broke my idealist heart. 2007 can't quite think what was so wrong with that year, maybe that will come to me.

The love commitment I'm not sure about, I'm in an 8 year relationship but I'm not married so maybe that is showing it's head there, and I trust my partner with my life and heart.

Weirdly, I have recently been thinking about starting a website with a blog about getting involved with nature, hhhmmmm.

Some things did definitely resonate enough for me to look further into astrology, which I think your chart reading for people will provoke others to do. So don't feel disheartened that people aren't talking enough in this thread as you are being a catalyst as we speak.

Thank you for your time angel.

red_rose

About the Venus square Saturn...the cases where it does work out well, is when the partner is "saturnian" in some ways...
that could be by either being a Capricorn, or having a Capricorn Ascendant or Moon, also if they are another sign, yet have Saturn in the first house.
Another strong Saturn factor would be if they were born with saturn conjunct their sun. Sometimes having a planet in close proximity to one's sun can mean that the sign that planet rules is manifested louder than the actual sun sign.
This is what I got from experience, rather than read in books.

All those factors produce a similar energy that your Venus could then relate to. If they also have a few sagittarian factors in their chart it means they allow you the space you require.

Thank you.

My partner is a Sagittarius!

[ulli]

Here is your reading Red_rose

Asc Libra, Midheaven Leo
Sun in Sagittarius is the 2nd house: idealistic, yet love your stuff...will never have too many money worries.
Moon in Aquarius in the 4th: You LOVE your parents even though you may be a handful as a daughter, due to the square with Uranus and Mercury
Mercury in Scorpio in the second: detective mind, sometimes quite psychic, very intuitive due to the conjunction with Uranus, you know EVERYTHINK, gurl!!
Venus (hope you are sitting down) your Venus is afflicted due to a square from Saturn. There are two factors here against forming a happy love relationship: Venus being in Sagittarius means you can't commit, as the grass is always greener on the other side and the square from saturn means you don't really trust anyone, and thus keep you distance...yet thinking the "nobody loves me" wail.
Mars in Virgo, 10th house: you are a dedicated work horse who will continuously strive to perfect your art.
Jupiter in Virgo in the 10th adds even more emphasis to the above, and brings openings and plenty of success.
Saturn in Virgo in the 11th...you see the council of wise and mature friends and are a loyal friend yourself.
Uranus in Scorpio in the 2nd house square your moon which is in aquarius: this also can cause sudden mood swings which has others quite perplexed, although your family know and accept you and that's where you feel safest.
Pluto in Libra in the 12th: premonition dreams, strong psychic ability.
Your toughest year was 2007, especially October. Also July of 1997 was very difficult.
Your carreer will really take off by April 2012,
so if you don't have a website already I recommend that you get yourself one....make it beautiful and you will do extremely well.

wow thanks Ulli. You hit the nail on the head with some aspects there. 1997 was around the time my parents split up which broke my idealist heart. 2007 can't quite think what was so wrong with that year, maybe that will come to me.

The love commitment I'm not sure about, I'm in an 8 year relationship but I'm not married so maybe that is showing it's head there, and I trust my partner with my life and heart.

Weirdly, I have recently been thinking about starting a website with a blog about getting involved with nature, hhhmmmm.

Some things did definitely resonate enough for me to look further into astrology, which I think your chart reading for people will provoke others to do. So don't feel disheartened that people aren't talking enough in this thread as you are being a catalyst as we speak.

Thank you for your time angel.

red_rose

About the Venus square Saturn...the cases where it does work out well, is when the partner is "saturnian" in some ways...
that could be by either being a Capricorn, or having a Capricorn Ascendant or Moon, also if they are another sign, yet have Saturn in the first house.
Another strong Saturn factor would be if they were born with saturn conjunct their sun. Sometimes having a planet in close proximity to one's sun can mean that the sign that planet rules is manifested louder than the actual sun sign.
This is what I got from experience, rather than read in books.

All those factors produce a similar energy that your Venus could then relate to. If they also have a few sagittarian factors in their chart it means they allow you the space you require.

Thank you.

My partner is a Sagittarius!

Well, two Sagittarians usually get along well, as they respect each others space.
I am a Capricorn with the sun conjunct Jupiter (ruler of Sagittarius) and so I found me a Sadge.
And he is a Sadge with the sun conjunct Saturn (ruler of Capricorn) and so he found himself a Capricorn.

By the way, my Venus is in the same place as yours, although not square Saturn...
instead it is opposite Uranus, which accounts for the fact that I'm already in my third marriage.
Third time lucky, so far it has lasted over 21 years.

[red_rose]

Ulli,

I'm a right brain kind of person and I find astrology quite daunting. The sun in the thingy and the house of the thingy ect makes me go crosseyed!

Are you a left brained person?

I've never met a Capricorn, nice to meetcha!

[ulli]

Ulli,

I'm a right brain kind of person and I find astrology quite daunting. The sun in the thingy and the house of the thingy ect makes me go crosseyed!

Are you a left brained person?

Yes, I am left brained. But I can totally understand your point, and I blame the language of astrology.
The way to understand it is to mentally simply translate the house number into the sign's name.
The annual movement makes the sign chart
and the daily rotation makes the house chart,
they are simply two charts overlapping.

So if you have the sun in say Virgo but in the first house,
think Aries,
and blend that with the Virgo factor.
Hence you get a more pushy (Aries) Virgo.

And vice versa, if you are an Aries but were born just after sunset,
hence the sun was in your 6th house (Virgo ruled)
you get an analytical (Virgo) Aries.

it's just like cooking a soup, you add the ingredients and start stirring...
in the end everything blends into the special flavour
that makes the individual the unique being that they are.


Some of the more experienced astrologers don't even bother with the houses,
knowing that information overload causes people's eye to glaze over,
so they just give them info about their sun, moon and ascendant.

I tend to do the overload approach, having a full 6th house myself...
I'm very analytical, but have sent some clients to sleep with all that info I offer.

[red_rose]

Ulli,

I'm a right brain kind of person and I find astrology quite daunting. The sun in the thingy and the house of the thingy ect makes me go crosseyed!

Are you a left brained person?

Yes, I am left brained. But I can totally understand your point, and I blame the language of astrology.
The way to understand it is to mentally simply translate the house number into the sign's name.
The annual movement makes the sign chart
and the daily rotation makes the house chart,
they are simply two charts overlapping.

So if you have the sun in say Virgo but in the first house,
think Aries,
and blend that with the Virgo factor.
Hence you get a more pushy (Aries) Virgo.

And vice versa, if you are an Aries but were born just after sunset,
hence the sun was in your 6th house (Virgo ruled)
you get an analytical (Virgo) Aries.

it's just like cooking a soup, you add the ingredients and start stirring...
in the end everything blends into the special flavour
that makes the individual the unique being that they are.


Some of the more experienced astrologers don't even bother with the houses,
knowing that information overload causes people's eye to glaze over,
so they just give them info about their sun, moon and ascendant.

I tend to do the overload approach, having a full 6th house myself...
I'm very analytical, but have sent some clients to sleep with all that info I offer.

note to self: read Ulli's message really really slowly, one sentence at a time, and it might make sense :)

[ulli]

Here is your reading, Kathymarie

You have Aries Ascendant, and Capricorn Midheaven. A solid worker who is also capable to take initiatives and makes a born leader.
Although your Cancer Moon made you a bit shy, and also very maternal, with your Cap amibition you struggled to balance home and office,
in other words, supermum.
Mercury in Sagittarius, in the 8th, you had some weird insights which is why you ended up here at Avalon, looking for explanation for the strangeness out there.
Venus in Aquarius in the 11th, loads of friends, also Mars there, so friendship with both men and women,
Jupiter in Taurus, in the first, you are hospitable and enjoy being a great hostess.
Pluto in Leo in the 5th, your test and transformation came through your children...who made sure that you learnt who is in charge, lol.
Uranus in cancer opposite the MC, either brings frequent job changes, or if only one job, then it's a uranian job, like in technology.
But since it was in Cancer I could be wrong there....maybe a restaurant with vegetarian food.
Neptune Saturn conjunction in the 6th house, means creativity, and great attention to detail, also hard working.
Health could have been tricky at times, but then there are no bad angles to that conjunction, so maybe you were ok.
You have Uranus square Moon coming up, will be exact at the end of August. Are you planning to move house?
Moon rules the home, also mothers, so that area could be affected.
The more you look into protecting this area the smoother the ride will be when the time comes and the angle is sharp.
Being a Capricorn I'm sure you like to be prepared.

[ulli]

Here is the next group, although I'm going to take a little break now.
If someone wants to give me a neck massage, go right ahead.

JohannaStarr, Finally There, Chuck, Klight, Chinasky,
although I am tempted to leave FinallyThere till last.;)

[ulli]

Sun in Pisces, Mars in Scorpio

( a anonymous chart I did recently)

One of the lessons Pisceans teach the rest of the world is about oneness..
the interconnectedness of everything.
We are drops of one ocean.

Many Pisceans hardly know where they end and the next person begins...
As if they are drops of water, with no membranes.

When you think of a water drop hanging in the air
it has a fine film around it, giving it its boundaries.

Once it falls into a larger body of water those boundaries dissolve

The lesson which Pisceans have to learn here are to find balance,
and that balance has to do with BECOMING independant individualists.

Because the soul does have an identity of it's own which can only be interfered with by Source
Who is all loving, all knowing, all healing....the Source of All There Is

Only when in touch with Source does the predator/victim paradigm dissolve...
no one feeding of anyone else, as all find the connection to the Source directly.


With Mars in Scorpio there are compulsions to penetrate...penetration being a Scorpio key word

But there are different types of penetration...intent and motive counts.

The thief and rapist does so without permission...

While the eye surgeon does it only when the patient has asked for his eye to be operated (penetrated)
and signed a document giving permission

[ulli]

tried to separate two posts, but failed.
Mod, I think I need help!!!

...it's ok, I fixed it.

[phimonic]

Here is your reading, Phimonic,

You are self confident, comfortable with public appearances, have musical abilities.
You expect your work to be adventurous, and to produce immediate results.
You are interested in anything foreign, people, cultures, travel, in other words: you are a seeker.
You become bored quite easily.

You get on great with women, and have many women friends.

You will always have a hard time saving money, it takes conscious effort.

Early childhood education was quite strict, some obstacles there...maybe also difficulties with (older?) siblings...
Parent relationship also intense.

Your greatest surprises will come via your children, and also your greatest inspiration.

Normally I don't bother telling Aries about their past as they are so action oriented that their memories don't function too well, but you may remember the last week of August of 2010...

that was a rough ride, which made you depressed.

Things are so much better now, although for the next few weeks your energy body becomes even more electric, and might affect your computers...
so back up your hard drive.

And let me repeat one more time: keep an eye on those spending impulses.
Shorten your Christmas shopping list.


thank you very much for the reading ulli! -
very interesting and true.

actually i come along well with my older sister, but have problem with her, in the sense, that she talks too much about confident told issues , so i lost a lot of trust in her kind of. - also she doesn't really listen and understand me well, so i might seem a bit distanced to her.
parents is an issue on its own, not really want to discuss in detail here. - they just not that open-minded - conservative thinking..

" Your greatest surprises will come via your children, and also your greatest inspiration. " - true that for sure! :)

-"Normally I don't bother telling Aries about their past as they are so action oriented that their memories don't function too well, but you may remember the last week of August of 2010... that was a rough ride, which made you depressed. " - i was mainly working very much as far as i remember, and then it was all for nothing in the end, - had left very much energy with that, at that time; so - yes.

but it's a shame i no have money at the moment to buy harddisks for backup :( . ^^ -would love to go shopping some hardware :becky:

again - thank you!

[ulli]

here is your reading Ktlight
It may be off by 1 hour until we establish exactly what daylight savings time was in effect.

Even though you have the sun in Aries which makes you quite adventurous and gutsy, if not reckless,
by house position (4th) you are Cancerian and value your family and home atmosphere.
You are quite attached to your roots.
Mercury in Pisces in the third house means you have a flair for poetry,
you are soft-spoken and artistic
while Venus in Aries in the 4th makes you very loving, idealistically so.
also you make sure your home is beautiful and stylishly decorated.
Mars in Capricorn gives amibition and makes you a financial strategist, as it is in the second house.
Butyou were a spendthrift before you learnt how to manage your money.

You need to watch out now as Pluto transiting through Capricorn is currently making a square to your Venus
and I want to suggest that perhaps you consult someone else about this so as not to rely on me exclusively.

In any case matters of love are currently being tested in a deep way...
You may be worried about a loved one or you own health is going through a bit of a crisis
as Venus can sometimes be seen as the health planet.

With that Jupiter Saturn conjunction in Taurus I see more of the strategist, especially when it comes to investments.
It gives frugal ability, due to the 6th house and you may have managed your money matters successfully through some stormy seas.
Neptune at the midheaven in Virgo...you are a giver, and charities are important.
I remember Princess Diana having that same placement.
Pluto in Leo in the 8th...you are fascinated with the power games that are currently being played out on the world stage.

[ulli]

[QUOTE=ulli;264771]
but it's a shame i no have money at the moment to buy harddisks for backup :( . ^^ -would love to go shopping some hardware :becky:

again - thank you!

That's just my point...;)
Mars in the second house combined with impulsive Aries sun means you are always broke.
Most Aries people shop before the money arrives... and they never have enough, somehow.
The discipline of doing with less is not for everyone...lol.:)

[phimonic]

[QUOTE=ulli;264771]
but it's a shame i no have money at the moment to buy harddisks for backup :( . ^^ -would love to go shopping some hardware :becky:

again - thank you!

That's just my point...;)
Mars in the second house combined with impulsive Aries sun means you are always broke.
Most Aries people shop before the money arrives... and they never have enough, somehow.


big lol - yes - i guess i'm jinxed ^^

[phimonic]

the thing is that probably i need it that way - me having money would be a pain, i guess - HAHA
if i had made money years ago - i would never have learned what i know now, - seems like living on the edge is a major issue , that drives me going. ^^

[Spacyman]

Thanks a lot ulli!!!! ;)

It all sounds accurate

[Calz]

You have a strong chart and it does 'indicate' (life and view unfolding) why you are here on this forum.


1540 -92 1448

First number is the overall numerical values of the energies in your chart, contained within all the alignments of the planets.

example: Sun Conjunct Mercury with a 0.59 degree orb is calculated to have an energy of '324'. This number of 324, is part of what makes up the total number of '1540'.

The 92 number, is the value of the more difficult alignments in your chart. It is calculated as a '-', and then the total , with the -92, which is 1448.

This comes from this site: http://www.new-astrology.com/index.php?page=natal&command=new

On the right side bar-- the ability to find this chart of the 'value' of the given astrological alignments will appear, after the basic chart as been completed.

The average, in my experience, is about a total of 500-550. You, at 1500 or so, are energetically enabled at a rate of about 3x the average soul that is making an appearance in this game.

If this number one receives from this website and calculation methodology is higher or lower than someone else's.....don't worry about it.

Please understand that everyone is pressed to their limits on all levels, so all players/dancers/fliers/swimmers/runners get pushed to the same extreme, no matter what energies are in them or available to them.

What you will find is that powerful people in this world (rich and famous) are not necessarily given high energies to deal with. It is their position, due to the overall human viewpoint of the masses.....nothing more.

Carmody - been having fun with the site you refer to.

Ran the numbers on someone (who shall remain nameless) that is a very "advanced soul" who came in with some real "challanges".

Numbers came up: 1220 -1465 -245

Interesting ...

[wegge]

Hi Ulli

thanks for the chart done!
you really hit a nail with me having both female and male identities in equal measure due to the Venus Mars conjunct in Leo!

[Eternal_One]

Very interesting hehe, and deadly accurate. haha.

I personally got 1427 -257 1170

[ViralSpiral]

This comes from this site: http://www.new-astrology.com/index.php?page=natal&command=new




Hi Carmody, another question (for Ulli too):- I totall subscribe to the scientific order of the universe and the alignment of the planets. Does my real name not carry energy/order too? I used a nick on the site you mentioned Carmody, and the info seems basically accurate. (am no expert)






p.s. todays message: Beware of over-spending. ;)

[Calz]

Cannot speak for others ... but names do "carry energy" (ie numerology etc) but not with astro.

[finally there!!!]

Thanks again Ulli for all this wonderful information I hope your enjoying your rest its well deserved.. take your time im in no rush im here for eternity:pPPV2rKu68y0

[ulli]

Right now Pluto is trining my natal Saturn...since Plto is so slow these are rare aspects, maybe only once in a lifetime because of retrograde motion Pluto may move over that spot up to three times over the period of one year.
The angle yesterday was 120:00:00
Here is what Carmody's link says about it:

"Positive aspect: A period when you will take your responsibilities to heart:
you will be devoted to duty, but this will be difficult to bear.
You will always be afraid of not being up to it, of failing in your task.
You will be too conscientious."

This describes exactly how I felt while doing the charts--
so much info to process means I'm conflicted about what to focus on and what to leave out.

Good time for self study, and discover how much my subconscious is involved in the choices I make.
I'm glad most people have enjoyed the readings.

It's important to remember that I don't want to interfere in anyone's life,
I only want to help people become self sufficient in this, and trigger their interest.

[ulli]

This comes from this site: http://www.new-astrology.com/index.php?page=natal&command=new




Hi Carmody, another question (for Ulli too):- I totall subscribe to the scientific order of the universe and the alignment of the planets. Does my real name not carry energy/order too? I used a nick on the site you mentioned Carmody, and the info seems basically accurate. (am no expert)






p.s. todays message: Beware of over-spending. ;)

Your name carries energy too, and if you change your name because of marriage, then some of your identity is changed.
The thing to remember is that astrology only supplies a small amount of info 9even though it seems a lot)
but genetic info, childhood environment, diet, numerology
all these paths also lead to the truth.

All paths lead to the truth, if they are done with heart.
Astrology as well as other sciences only provide a language, and therefore thinking tools.

if you want to develop feelings and learn to think less it's best not to take the astrology route.

[Wings]

You have a strong chart and it does 'indicate' (life and view unfolding) why you are here on this forum.


1540 -92 1448

First number is the overall numerical values of the energies in your chart, contained within all the alignments of the planets.

example: Sun Conjunct Mercury with a 0.59 degree orb is calculated to have an energy of '324'. This number of 324, is part of what makes up the total number of '1540'.

The 92 number, is the value of the more difficult alignments in your chart. It is calculated as a '-', and then the total , with the -92, which is 1448.

This comes from this site: http://www.new-astrology.com/index.php?page=natal&command=new

On the right side bar-- the ability to find this chart of the 'value' of the given astrological alignments will appear, after the basic chart as been completed.

The average, in my experience, is about a total of 500-550. You, at 1500 or so, are energetically enabled at a rate of about 3x the average soul that is making an appearance in this game.

If this number one receives from this website and calculation methodology is higher or lower than someone else's.....don't worry about it.

Please understand that everyone is pressed to their limits on all levels, so all players/dancers/fliers/swimmers/runners get pushed to the same extreme, no matter what energies are in them or available to them.

What you will find is that powerful people in this world (rich and famous) are not necessarily given high energies to deal with. It is their position, due to the overall human viewpoint of the masses.....nothing more.

Carmody - been having fun with the site you refer to.

Ran the numbers on someone (who shall remain nameless) that is a very "advanced soul" who came in with some real "challanges".

Numbers came up: 1220 -1465 -245

Interesting ...

Either of you .... after the basic chart has been drawn up, where on the right side bar does one look to see the 'VALUES' of the astrological alignments?

[Carmody]

look for 'aspects' on the right hand bar. (First time the word aspect is used and on it's own in that right hand bar). Click on that.

The sum total is just a number. for example, I may be issued plenty of challenges in this life, even though my number of 'negative' influences are low. Any mechanical idea of success (overall population's ideas on societal success) may be less than that of someone with high energy levels that they have to 'struggle with'. (those 'negative' numbers.)

However, those energies may play out in that a high score may and does seem to indicate the level of energies available to the given individual.

Thus someone with high numbers may be able to bring more overall energy to bear into and within a given situation. Or, conversely, be given/handed more energy to deal with in good or difficult situations.

Recall that everyone is stressed to their personal limits, in order to create the need for reflection and contemplation - sooner or later it comes for all of us. That appears to be the design of this giant multi-dimensional dance through time and timelines.

[Rocky_Shorz]

How fun ... I have done "hobbiest" astro for many years so I will be a "volunteer guinea pig".

No need for a PM.

Oct 14, 1955

1:24 AM

Omaha, Neb


have at it :behindsofa:

I will join Calz.



ok changed my mind, I'm gonna pass. thank you Ulli.
:peep:

please don't quote birthdays so the original poster can delete them after Ulli answers if they don't want people knowing the info...

born in 55 going to be 56 this year... everyone adds to 111

the year of enlightenment for all of us...

[ulli]

Finallythere!!!
here is your reading. (Sorry about the delay, folks, we just had a three hour powercut here...even the landline phone wasn't working.)

You have Libra Ascendant, and you give the appearance of being in balance and harmony most of the time, also trying to resolve conflicts you perceive around you.
Your sun is in Aquarius, 4th house, basically you are a sweetie, but at times you have zero tolerance for morons, then the part of your Libra personality has to do damage control when you lash out and become tactless...
Libra Asc. wants to keep on good terms with everybody whereas Aquarius doesn't really care what people think of him/her.
...the 4th house means you withdraw into the comfort zone of your home when things become too heated out there.
Moon is Taurus`is well placed, responses are down to earth, which balances your Aquarian tendency to knee-jerk reactiveness, especially since you also have Mercury in Aquarius, square Pluto...
if you aren't forcing yourself to be silent you might be forcing others to hear your opinion...like when you can't take their BS any longer.
Looks like you are good at writing, or drawing...sortof artistic...good sense of humor...I get this image of you being a cartoonist with a dark humor.
You are definitely psychic with Mercury square Pluto, Pluto in the first house, and very dynamic...know how to magnetize others.

But you have a hard time keeping your energy flow even (Mars conjunct Saturn) and since it is opposite the Moon (mother figure) you may take some of that frustration out on others, like your mum (?), anyway, have to be careful not to get too grumpy.

The stuff you collect/ buy is Uranian ...either weird software or weird collections. Do you still have a lot of your childhood stuff, that you can't part with?
Transit-wise not much is happening, things are getting back to normal after a Mars transit on July 10th, and a Mercury square to your Mars/Saturn conjunction on the 13th, a week ago...which could have been quite depressing
definitely an unsettling time, but since it wasn't involving the outer planets its stuff that in a month from now will be forgotten.

Also last year September things looked a bit hopeless for a while (Saturn square your Jupiter) and in November Pluto transited your Jupiter, so maybe there was a power battle.
I suggest you study the charts supplied by Carmody's link above...I'm just now learning how it works, as it is based on a different approach to the system I'm accustomed to.

[ktlight]

here is your reading Ktlight
It may be off by 1 hour until we establish exactly what daylight savings time was in effect.

Even though you have the sun in Aries which makes you quite adventurous and gutsy, if not reckless,
by house position (4th) you are Cancerian and value your family and home atmosphere.
You are quite attached to your roots.
Mercury in Pisces in the third house means you have a flair for poetry,
you are soft-spoken and artistic
while Venus in Aries in the 4th makes you very loving, idealistically so.
also you make sure your home is beautiful and stylishly decorated.
Mars in Capricorn gives amibition and makes you a financial strategist, as it is in the second house.
Butyou were a spendthrift before you learnt how to manage your money.

You need to watch out now as Pluto transiting through Capricorn is currently making a square to your Venus
and I want to suggest that perhaps you consult someone else about this so as not to rely on me exclusively.

In any case matters of love are currently being tested in a deep way...
You may be worried about a loved one or you own health is going through a bit of a crisis
as Venus can sometimes be seen as the health planet.

With that Jupiter Saturn conjunction in Taurus I see more of the strategist, especially when it comes to investments.
It gives frugal ability, due to the 6th house and you may have managed your money matters successfully through some stormy seas.
Neptune at the midheaven in Virgo...you are a giver, and charities are important.
I remember Princess Diana having that same placement.
Pluto in Leo in the 8th...you are fascinated with the power games that are currently being played out on the world stage.

Ulli, thank you very much for this. It is like a mirror, with the exception of 'charities' because, to me, they all act like stealth tax takers (and I want to know how they distribute the funds) and because enough tax is paid to support all charitable needs under the sun, bearing in mind there is always money for war.

I think you should move into professionalism, because I think you would be very successful.

[ulli]

Ktlight...thanks for the thumbs up...
I did the pro thingy while living in Barbados, seeing clients on a regular basis and talking the the International Women's Club and the Diplomatic Corps wives, in hotel seminars.
Also wrote a horoscope column for a weekly English language paper here in Central America.
In Barbados I appeared on a TV talk show, which caused an island wide stir, and was invited tohost a weekly radio show, but I declined, knowing that my personal energy levels fluctuate terrible due to health issues...always had health problems all my life
My clientele there were Brit and American elite
If I wasn't bound by confidentiality I could write a book of the most amazing anecdotes...
Meanwhile I am quite happy doing what I'm doing now, taking life easy.

[ktlight]

Ktlight...thanks for the thumbs up...
I did the pro thingy while living in Barbados, seeing clients on a regular basis and talking the the International Women's Club and the Diplomatic Corps wives, in hotel seminars.
Also wrote a horoscope column for a weekly English language paper here in Central America.
In Barbados I appeared on a TV talk show, which caused an island wide stir, and was invited tohost a weekly radio show, but I declined, knowing that my personal energy levels fluctuate terrible due to health issues...always had health problems all my life
My clientele there were Brit and American elite
If I wasn't bound by confidentiality I could write a book of the most amazing anecdotes...
Meanwhile I am quite happy doing what I'm doing now, taking life easy.

So, if you had changed weekly to monthly, would you have had the energy to do that radio show?

[ulli]

Ktlight
Probably, but it wasn't an option at the time...it wasn't in the stars for me
Anyway, too many personal issues, being a single mum, and in a foreign country
and my inner fame freak was no longer as hungry as before,
the fashion scene I lived through in the seventies saw to that.
Nothing is as important as anonymity, and being "normal", I discovered.

Becoming known to the larger public, which my tenth house moon somehow organized,
brings with it a heady false sense of security.
I knew quite a few famous people who came to Barbados to get some privacy,
but when nobody approached them for an autograph they hated it and it made them insecure.
Fame is an addictive experience that can rob one of inner peace.

[Catsquotl]

Hi,

Getting very curious here.
I dabbled with astrology for a few months before all hell broke loose in my life and i never really got back into it.

Born January 25th 1972
5.57 in the early morning
Amsterdam Holland.

On the thread is fine.

With Love
Eelco

[ulli]

Darla
even though there are a couple of others ahead of you I can't see them online so I'll do you first.
having just looked at a post of yours in a thread on homelessness I went wow...and had to look immediately what in your chart could show that you would at any time in your life find yourself without a home
And there it was, already on the day you were born...
The moon (home) conjunct Uranus (shocks) and square your Ascendant...while also having a sun Saturn square...a guarantee for hardships in life.
Neptune in the second house shows losses, too, but at the same time gives high spiritual values...

anyway, you had some high points too...just a rollercoaster of a life.
Venus on the Ascendant, always landed on your feet I would think, lots of miracles, no wonder you keep going on about angels and stuff..it really shows in your chart that you are multi-dimensional.
Able to juggle a lot of different things at once...all those Gemini planets (Gemini rules Mercury), and then Virgo also Mercury ruled...so your capacity for work is amazing.
A born communicator, teacher.
Your chart confirms everything I already know about you.
But what I want to point out, and not having any knowledge of the details of your life, the last week of this month shows three different planetary transit, the best is a fabulous trine from Pluto to your Venus and y6our ascendant, so there are some major breakthroughs right now.
But at a price as Jupiter makes a right angle to your natal Pluto at the same time...and since Pluto is in your 12th house this could be to do with otherdimensional things...visions that are not too great...consider them ascoming at you from a lower plain.
Then there is Mars on your Saturn, an energy drain, but you can prepare for that, it will happen around July 28, and last only two days.
I'd love to get a report and see how this manifested in your life.
The negative is outweighed by the positive angle from Pluto, and on the whole this is a marvellous, dynamic time of swift progress.

[ulli]

Darla
had a look at your history to find your crisis years:
1983, when Uranus was opposite your Moon Uranis Mars conjunction.
also 1987, when Pluto was there
then 1997...on and off till 2000 were full of setbacks,
as the various squares in your chart got hit by the heavies...one after the other.
Smooth sailing now...

[Darla Ken Pearce]

Wow, Ulli! You are so fabulous! I can't tell you how accurate all this is about my life! Never heard anything even close before ~ you've got it so pegged. What I have come to realize is that all the struggles and terrible things that occurred were for a purpose of growth ~ the hardest way ~ yes ~ but serious challenges and setbacks to overcome. It's like a life in the Rocky Mountains. No wonder when I once traveled through Iowa, I felt like people who lived there were an EKG that had flatlined! So flat like nothing I've known. I had no idea this could be seen from birth but it makes everything wonderful to know that now and especially having survived it! What a ride! ; ) Hey, if it doesn't kill you, it makes you strong for real...

Thank you so much, it's a great validation for me and I love and adore you for taking the time to do this for me! You are so wonderful and I appreciate this very much! You are masterful! xoxoxoxo

[Carmody]

Carmody, you are the greatest. I am in awe of you and want to thank you for your great contributions.

Whenever people asked me how astrology worked I would offer a little theory of my own, which doesn't compare to yours.
My explanation was based on something I had read in one of my Gurdjieff books, namely that shocks raise consciousness, and memory depends on consciousness.
The greatest shock or surprise we experience in life happens when the umbilical cord is cut, and air enters our lungs for the first time. At that moment there most be a feeling of immediate extinction, yet " helloooo, I' still here!!!"
It is at that moment that whatever cosmic energies are crisscrossing the room, they are leaving an imprint in each cell, maybe at the DNA level, that gets triggered at later times whenever planets pass those spots.
Of course this was just intuitive speculation on my part.
I was wondering what you might think about the contribution of our glands in this context.

I just saw this post again. I'll have to respond at another time. (next few days) I do have my theories...

[ulli]

Setting oneself up as an astrologer means that one may be targeted by religious zealots...as their interpretation of bible text seems to give them a green light to go out on witch hunts.
It has happened to me in the past, and it never ceases to amaze me when I see the followers of the religion of love thy neighbor going out on hate rampages.

Here is an article that addresses the issue of astrology and religion.

http://www.luckystarz.com/Articles/phipps.html

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"How can you believe in astrology?," my devout Christian friends have asked me. I tell them that astrology is not a belief system, but an archetypal, poetic language. I don't ask you if you believe in Japanese. I ask if you speak it. I don't ask you if you believe in music, I ask if you play it. I happen to speak the heavenly tongue of astrology along with thousands of other highly intelligent, inspiring, spiritual and even scientific astrologers.

Their skepticism persists due to what they've been taught about the Bible and so I decide to go into their home field and initiate the conversation about Biblical insights into astrology, one of my favorite topics.

"The Bible totally supports the practice of astrology," I boldly claim staring into horrified eyes.

"That's crazy," they say. "Astrology is the work of the Devil. You don't need the stars to direct your life, you just need Jesus."

"But, even Jesus respected the wisdom of the heavens," I say. "Let me see your Bible. I'll show you proof that astrology is a divinely bestowed gift to humanity." I open to the Psalms and begin reading verse 19:1-3, "The heavens declare the glory of God. The skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech. Night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard."

"That sounds to me like the heavens are supposed to speak, to declare insights, reveal knowledge and that no language even exists that does not contain the voice of the heavens."

"Okay, so one Psalm by King David says the heavens speak.God can speak through anything: people, places, events. It doesn't mean we have to govern our lives by the stars."

"But, it does indicate that we can have a conversation with eternal being through the motions of the heavens. The Bible speaks clearly about the purpose of the sun, moon and stars." I open to Genesis 1:14-18.

And God said, let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth and to rule over the day and over the night and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

 

There you have it. Even in the King James Version. When I interpret charts I illuminate for clients their potential, both shadow and light, to help them accept their whole being and to help them live the full expression of their gifts. We also probe and improve on their weaknesses. When I look at the transits and progressions, I explain the qualities and potential of the seasons, days and years, giving guidance based on the motions and cycles of heavenly bodies reflecting psychological states and the flow of events. My aim is not to predict the future, but to help people live more fully in the present, navigating the currents of life with skill. We all have heard that to everything under the sun there is a season (Ecclesiastes 3:1-10). In Psalms 104:19 it says, "The moon marks off the seasons and the sun knows when to set." When I read a chart, whether it's for a person, city, nation, or event, I am using the heavens as the Bible says, to read the signs.

"Wow," the person says, still dismayed by my intense faith in astrology. "That's interesting."

"That's just the beginning," I continue. "Let's see how deep the rabbit hole goes. My study of astrology has given vital proof of divine intelligence behind the universe."

Mazzaroth, The Twelve Signs of the Zodiac

In Job, God asked his humble servant a series of questions involving the wondrous miracles performed. In Job 38:31-33, God asks, "Can you bind the sweet influences of the Pleiades or loose the bonds of Orion? Can you bring forth the Mazzaroth in their seasons? Or can you guide Arcturus with his sons? Do you know the principles of the heavens? Can you set their dominion over the earth?"

Thus, God is proclaiming that there are principles in the heavens and that they govern life on earth. Furthermore, God is responsible for bringing forth the Mazzaroth in their seasons. Most Bibles avoid translating this sacred word, Mazzaroth, because it literally means "the twelve signs of the zodiac" in Hebrew. So, God created the zodiac and brings them forth in their seasons. He explains that heavenly constellations like the Pleiades and Orion have influences that can be unleashed.

We don't have to be afraid of signs from the heavens. God speaks through them. In Judges 5:20 it describes the stars in battle. "They fought from the heaven. The stars in their courses fought against Ciceria." In Jeremiah 10:2 it says, "…do not be dismayed by signs from heaven." We need to be open to the realization of messages in the heavens. In Psalms 136:7-9, it says, "Who made the great lights? His love endures forever; the sun to govern the day, the moon and stars to govern the night." In Psalms 147:3-4 it says, "God heals the broken hearted and binds up their wounds. He determines the number of stars and calls them each by name." The Hebrew word shem means name, a mark of character, individuality, honor and authority. Stars have all that, according to the Bible. Again, in Isaiah 40:26 we hear, "Lift your eyes on high and behold who has created these. He who brings forth the starry hosts by numbers one by one and calls them forth by character."

In Daniel 1:20 it says, "Daniel was given divine insight by God, even the ability to understand visions and dreams. In every matter of Babylonian wisdom and understanding, they (Daniel and his friends) were ten times better than all the magicians and enchanters in the whole kingdom." Thus, the followers of the Eternal One imprisoned in a land of astrologers cultivated the wisdom of the heavens that was ten times better than the average astrologer of the day.

In Psalms 89:35-37 God says, "I will not lie to David that his line will continue forever and his throne endure before me like the sun. It will be established forever like the moon, the faithful witness in the sky." God describes the moon here as the faithful witness in the sky. In astrology the moon governs daily emotional tides and colors events and moods by its changing position.

Rahab, The Planet Between Mars and Jupiter

In Job (one of the oldest Biblical texts) 26:12 it says that by, "God's wisdom he cut Rahab to pieces." Rahab is the ancient planet between Jupiter and Mars, which is now an asteroid field. The ancients recorded this planet in their star charts and created many myths about its mysterious destruction. The content of these stories always concerned the loss of the sacred feminine. In modern astrology we are attempting to heal this gap in consciousness by reintegrating the feminine archetypes into our work. In the original Hebrew both the masculine and feminine archetypes are equally respected and integrated into the symbols of their language.

The Hebrew word for light used when God says, "The sun, moon and stars were created for giving light on the earth," is aur. The Hebrew writers were well versed in the sacred language of archetypes. They were able to contemplate truth through symbol as each letter of their alphabet held an archetypal meaning. Aleph, the beginning letter of aur symbolizes unthinkable vibration, the sacred spirit of life, infinite potential and eternal possibility. Vav, the middle letter, symbolizes the process of divine fertilization emanating from the creative void. Raysh, the final letter, symbolizes the hidden movement of cosmic possibility as creation. Hidden in the letters of Hebrew light we discover its deeper meaning, the infinite potential of the sacred spirit fertilizing creation.

The first line of the Bible says, "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." When you break it down into archetypal Hebrew it means the first fruits of the spirit aspiring to express eternity through a fountain of divine wisdom were the creation of the celestial dimensions and the manifest world. Now that casts a whole new light on Biblical translation. The Hebrew word for astrologer is ashaph which breaks down to the spirit communicates through the sacred flames.

The word aur, for light, means illumination, but also radiance, happiness and joy in the original Hebrew, just as night layil also means adversity, challenge and resistance. You hear the ancient root of light in words like aura, aurora, our own Uranus, the planet of divine intuition and in Ur, the ancient city of light, home of the legendary Abraham, father of the Hebrews in the land of Chaldea.

According to Berosus, a Chaldean historian and priest, in the tenth generation after the Biblical flood there was a man among the Chaldeans (astrologers) called Abram (later changed to Abraham) who mastered skill in the celestial language of the heavens.[1] Close to the beginning of the Age of Aries, two millennia before Christ, God called Abraham to migrate west to start the Hebrew civilization.

The Old Testament, from which I've been quoting, describes the Age of Aries from the perspective of the Hebrews. Terah, who was the father of Abraham, left Ur at that time. Ur was a flourishing port city, a center for trade between India and Egypt. To symbolize the Age, Abraham sacrificed God's provision, the ram. Across the world, bull sacrifices from the Age of Taurus were giving way to ram sacrifices as the equinoxes precessed and the quality of times changed. God became known as Jehovah, the warrior God, as Aries exemplifies the archetype of the warrior, pioneer and leader. It was a militant age of sacred ram veneration.

The Twelve Tribes

Abraham was a wise spiritual seeker, but also a brave warrior. Moses later became another fiery leader of this Age. They both studied the ancient sciences of the Egyptians and understood that the twelve signs of the Mazzaroth were the immortal thoughts of God that penetrate creation. The twelve tribes of Israel (Abraham's grandsons) are associated with the twelve signs of the zodiac. According to Jewish astrologers, the Hebrews accepted Deuteronomy 32:8 as proof of the fact that people are divided into twelve distinct personality types. It says, "When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the boundaries of the people according to the number of the tribes of Israel." In astrology twelve archetypal forces divide people.

The characteristics of the twelve tribes were given both by Jacob in Genesis 49 when he blesses his sons and again in Deuteronomy 33 when Moses blesses the tribes. They correspond to the basic meanings of the twelve signs used today. God ordered Moses to have the twelve tribes camp around the holy tabernacle in the exact order of the zodiac with the entrance to the temple facing east. The four gateways to the camp were Judea, Rueben, Ephraim and Dan. These four tribes correspond to the exact description in Ezekiel and Revelations of the four living creatures before the throne of God, which were the lion, the bull, the man and the eagle. These four ancient symbols correspond to our own astrological signs of Leo, Taurus, Aquarius and Scorpio which contain the four royal stars of Persia, Regulus in Leo, Aldebaran in Taurus, Formalhaut in Aquarius, Antares in Scorpio.[2] God even directs Moses to have the tribes march through the desert starting with Judea (Leo) and going backwards towards the camps of Rueben (Taurus), Ephraim (Aquarius) and Dan (Scorpio). This is the exact motion of the equinoctial precession that gives rise to the flow of the astrological ages, a 26,000-year cycle.

Moses, like Joseph, was well versed in Egyptian astrology. As the adopted son of pharaoh's daughter he was well educated in all the mystery school wisdom of Egypt. The Hebrew word for Egypt is mitsuri, the land of mystery. In Acts 7:22 it says, "Moses was trained in all the wisdom of the Egyptians and was powerful in speech and action." He was the perfect warrior prophet for the Arian age.

Aaron's breastplate was set with twelve sacred stones each symbolizing a Hebrew tribe and thus, a zodiac sign. Joshua 4:6 says, "God is remembered by twelve stones in a circle." The Hebrews created elaborate rituals based on a lunar calendar. In astrology New Moons symbolize beginnings and the sacred feast of Israel instituted by God's commands to Moses through visions, were based on the phases of the Moon. The day of the New Moon was a day of feasting and blowing trumpets (Numbers 10:10). Psalms 81:3 says, "Sound the ram's horn at the new moon and when the moon is full, on the day of our feast." The seventh New Moon was the time of the holy convocation feast and the Full Moon of this month was the Feast of Tabernacles to celebrate harvest. The seventh sign in astrology is Libra, symbolizing balance and love and the Full Moon symbolizes illumination, vision and fulfillment, the time when emotional response is highest. Passover was observed from the Full Moon to the waning quarter, a period symbolic of illumination and the dissemination of truth.

The Age of Pisces

The Age of Aries gradually gave way to the next sign of the zodiac, Pisces, the archetype of universal love and compassion through selfless service. The three Chaldean Magi followed the star across the Arabian Desert in search of the incoming spiritual master of love. Three astrologers utilized the language of the heavens to discover the long-prophesized Hebrew Messiah. Modern research has revealed that Jesus may have been born closer to 7 BCE around the time of the Jupiter, Saturn and Uranus triple conjunction in Pisces. Every astrologer inspired to research the illusive chart of Christ has a pet theory as to the exact birth date. My own research lead me to conclude that he was born on September 16, 7 BCE around midnight in Bethlehem. In any case, the ultimate spiritual mystic arrived to teach the Way as High Priest of the Order of the Melchizedek (as the Bible refers to him in Hebrews 6:20).

Jesus embodied the Piscean archetype, linking the first sign Aries with the last sign Pisces, the alpha with the omega, starting not just one new age, but a whole cycle of twelve ages. People began spiritually cleansing themselves through the baptismal rites, as Pisces is a water element sign. Suddenly, water was sacred (as opposed to fire) and the fish became holy. Early Christians would identify themselves by drawing the sign of Pisces in the sand. Jesus spoke often of the age of his birth as a preparation age for the Age of Enlightenment to follow. He was referring to the Age of Aquarius that is symbolized by the cosmic man bearing the pitcher of the living waters of life, pouring it throughout the universe. At Jesus' first Jupiter return (age 12) he began instructing the Priests at the temple, saying to his parents, "Let me be about my work." After his first Saturn return (age 30) he became intensely devoted to teaching and demonstrating the way of unconditional love. He selected twelve disciples each with a character similar to one of the twelve signs. At the Last Supper Jesus washed the feet of the disciples. In astrology each sign governs a part of the body. Pisces symbolizes the feet.

The Bible is strangely silent on the so-called lost years of Jesus between ages 12 and 30. Some sources like The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus[3], channeled by a Christian minister at the dawn of the 20th century, tell a marlvelous story about how Jesus journeyed throughout Persia, India, Greece and Egypt walking all paths of life. The Christians maintain that he stayed home and humbly served as a carpenter all his life until he got the call to begin his ministry.

The New Testament is full of clues and insights that point to Jesus' respect and reverence for astrology. The most obvious quote is Luke 21:25 when he says, "At the end of this Age there will be signs in the sun, moon and stars…the heavenly bodies will be shaken." (Literally, the heavenly forces will be agitated.) It's in the red print. Jesus said it. He tells his twelve disciples that the age to come will be foreshadowed by signs in the heavens. That is what God said they were supposed to be used for. Signs give directions and guidance to help us navigate life.

The Age of Aquarius

The Age of Aquarius is surely on the rise! Astronomically, the Aries Ingress won't reach the first stars of Aquarius until around 2376 CE, but the symbols of Aquarius are actually alive in the imaginations of the people. Ever since the discovery of Uranus in 1781 the world has been struggling for freedom, independence and human rights in addition to great inventions and advances in science. In the year 2080 Jupiter, Saturn and Uranus will align in the sign of Aquarius similarly to the Piscean configuration of 7 BCE. On the solstice of 2020 Jupiter and Saturn will conjunct in Aquarius. The times are ripe for a new dispensation focused on creative originality, cosmic vision and universal awareness. The next time your religious friends start bad mouthing the celestial language of astrology you'll be armed with Biblical insight.

Astrology asks for a realization of our connection to space, divine being and the process of eternal change. As an intuitive, symbolic language and art of celestial cycles, it not only helps you navigate change, but also teaches you to tap your creative potential. Most people think astrology is about predicting the future, but really it is about diving into the unknown and living the mystery each day. Astrology opens the gateway within so you can discover the sacred silence and encounter the archetypes of creation. This unified spectrum of twelve images symbolizes the image of eternal being.

[1] The First Astrologer. Fielden, Fran. Better Books. Charlotte, NC. 1988.

[2] Brady's Book of Fixed Stars. Brady, Bernadette. Samuel Weiser, Inc. 1998.

[3] The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ. Dowling, Levy. DeVorss And Company. Marina del Rey, CA. 1907.
ABOUT THE AUTHOR

Kelly Lee Phipps is the author of Celestial Renaissance: A Revolution of Astrology and Brazenwood, an astrology-inspired fantasy adventure novel. He is actively involved in advancing the field of astrology based in Asheville, NC interpreting birth visions for folks across the globe. Currently Kelly is working on a number of book projects including The Tao of Astrology, Living the Mystery: The Physics of Consciousness and Book Two of the Star*Elf Dodecagy called The Unicorn's Shadow.

[Wings]

look for 'aspects' on the right hand bar. (First time the word aspect is used and on it's own in that right hand bar). Click on that.

The sum total is just a number. for example, I may be issued plenty of challenges in this life, even though my number of 'negative' influences are low. Any mechanical idea of success (overall population's ideas on societal success) may be less than that of someone with high energy levels that they have to 'struggle with'. (those 'negative' numbers.)

However, those energies may play out in that a high score may and does seem to indicate the level of energies available to the given individual.

Thus someone with high numbers may be able to bring more overall energy to bear into and within a given situation. Or, conversely, be given/handed more energy to deal with in good or difficult situations.

Recall that everyone is stressed to their personal limits, in order to create the need for reflection and contemplation - sooner or later it comes for all of us. That appears to be the design of this giant multi-dimensional dance through time and timelines.

Thank you ... I've got it now. Mine: 3007 -561 2446

[ulli]

Anyone interested in the curse of Tecumseh and why every president elected in a year ending with zero would die in office
Will enjoy this article.
George W. Bush was the exception....one wonders what made that possible.
Reagan who was elected in 1980 survived an assasination attempt but succumbed to Alzheimers disease.

Here is the article:
Tecumseh’s Curse and the Death of President Bush

by Ken Kalb


Tecumseh’s Curse

There was a deep mystical tradition among the Shawnee Indians of the Ohio valley, embodied in the teachings and practices of a sage called "the Prophet," emboldened by his brother, the great Chief Tecumseh. Tecumseh felt that all Indians were one people, and insisted that only with the consent of all — could land rightly be ceded by or purchased from an individual tribe. For several years, he successfully journeyed from tribe to tribe, working with Indians of all sections to secure their cooperation in this great work of unification. Tecumseh was a daring visionary -- a powerful orator, remarkable military chief, successful negotiator, and enthusiastic leader. Indeed, the flame of hatred for the white man burned in his heart, and he swore eternal vengeance against the white race for decimating his proud nation.

When the United States refused to recognize Tecumseh’s unification principle, he bound together the Native Americans of the Old Northwest, the South, and the Eastern Mississippi Valley as a military force to defend Native American rights to the land. His plan failed with the defeat of his brother, the Shawnee Prophet, at the battle of Tippecanoe in 1811. Although history reports the battle of Tippecanoe a draw, it nevertheless broke the power of the Shawnee, and became known historically as marking the collapse of the Native American military movement.

Legend transmits that after the historic battle of Tippecanoe, Tecumseh released prisoners with a prophetic message for General William Henry Harrison -- a prophecy that has come to be known as -- "Tecumseh's Curse." 

"'Harrison will win next year to be the Great Chief….... He will die in his office….. I who caused the Sun to darken and Red Men to give up firewater tell you Harrison will die. And after him, every Great Chief chosen every 20 years thereafter will die. And when each one dies, let everyone remember the death of our people."


Indeed, in 1841, President William Henry Harrison died of Pneumonia, and for 140 years -- every President elected every 20 years died in office -- except for President Ronald Reagan who survived a close assassination attempt. (Reagan, however, did develop Alzheimer’s, and was the only President to use the timing advice of an astrologer for all public appearances!). Is this just coincidence or the curse from the collective wrath of millions of Native Americans? As George Bush heads toward the completion of his first term, many wonder if he will be the next victim of Tecumseh’s prophetic curse.

Presidential Death Stars

For thousands of years astrologers of antiquity have made a connection between the twenty-year Jupiter-Saturn cycle and major socio-cultural-political events. Jupiter and Saturn are the two most distant planets visible to the naked eye. The ancients regarded Saturn, the boundary between our solar system and the universe -- the "Great Chronocrator" -- a cosmic clock timing significant periods in human history. When faster moving Jupiter crosses over Saturn every 19.8 years, a new cycle begins oftentimes marked by cataclysmic events.

Since 1840, this conjunction has coincided with the Zero-year Presidential elections. When the contraction (Saturn) and expansion (Jupiter) urge merge, there is a certain wringing out of the karmic towel in human affairs. Jupiter rules politicians, Saturn rules death, and the apex of the political archetype is indeed the President. For 120 years until 1960 when the cycle was marginally broken, this conjunction occurred only in Earth signs. Only the 1960 conjunction occurred in an Air sign, and many astrologers attribute President Reagan's assassination escape to this elemental position. But In 2000, the Jupiter/Saturn conjunction returned once again to an Earth sign! Does this portend an incipient visit to the other side by President Bush? Later, we will examine his chart.

Astrologers fall into two camps on which chart to use for the birth of America. One chart shows Scorpio Rising. Scorpio, co-ruled by Pluto and Mars, rules aggression, death, the atomic age, physical health, secrecy, and intensity. Sound familiar? Chart ruler Mars, god of war, sits in the Eighth house of death in America’s chart forming an afflicted square to Neptune which also forms a hard aspect to the Midheaven -- point of national destiny. Though Jupiter and Saturn indeed conjoined in Earth sign Taurus in 2000, the eighth harmonic, the astrological trigger of the chart, won’t be squeezed again until 2005-2006. And the Jupiter/Saturn conjunction is not a precisely timed indicator, occurring every 19.8 years with the deaths averaging every 21 years.

Another popular time-tested chart is the so-called "Gemini-rising" chart, which I used successfully in my book "The Grand Catharsis" to predict many events, including the Persian Gulf War. Famed astrologer Evangeline Adams also used this chart to forecast the US entry into World War II. This chart finds Aquarius — co-ruled by Saturn and Uranus -- on the Midheaven, which signifies the Presidency. The eighth house signifies death, and Capricorn sits on the eighth cusp, making Saturn the ruler of death. Both charts present moderate evidence for this Presidential Death cycle.

Then again, perhaps the Juju of the Native American curse is well beyond the realm of Western astrology.

For the Record

Since Tecumseh's prophetic curse, here are the Presidents every 20 years and the Vice-presidents who inherited the Presidency:

1840, William Henry Harrison
Died April 6, 1841 of pneumonia.    
Vice President John Tyler
 
1860, Abraham Lincoln
Assassinated April 14, 1865
Succeeded by Vice President Andrew Johnson
 
1880, James Abram Garfield
Assassinated July 2, 1881
Succeeded by Vice President Chester Alan Arthur
 
1900, William McKinley
Assassinated September, 6 1901
Succeeded by Vice President Theodore Roosevelt
 
1920, Warren Gamaliel Harding
Died August 2, 1923 from food poisoning
Succeeded by Vice President Calvin Coolidge
 
1940, Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Died April 12, 1945, stroke, medical records missing
Succeeded by Vice President Harry Truman
 
1960, John Fitzgerald Kennedy
Assassinated November 22, 1963
Succeeded by Vice President Lydon Baines Johnson
 
1980, Ronald Wilson Reagan
Assassination attempt on March 30, 1981
Succeeded by his Vice President George Bush by election.

2000 George W. Bush?
Against All Odds

From Washington through Clinton, there have been 47 Presidential elections during which nine Vice Presidents inherited the Presidency -- about 18 percent.  And, there have actually been 53 inaugurations, lowering the natural baseline odds of death in office to about 15 percent. For zero years, however, with seven out of a possible eight dying (and the eighth being Reagan), the odds of reoccurrence rise to a meteoric 87.5%.

Bush’s Chart

Examining Bush’s chart always makes me smile as it is the chart of a true "charmer." You may view it in the Chart Gallery on the Lucky Star website at: http://www.luckystarz.com. Transiting Jupiter in Leo has just crossed Bush’s ascendant and will spend most the next six months conjoining his stellium of Leo planets, while sextiling his stellium of Libra planets. President Bush should continue to enjoy popularity and continue to get his way for awhile. However, in about a year, Saturn conjuncts Bush’s Sun at 13 degrees of Cancer! Does Lord of Karma Saturn invoke the Spirit of Chief Tecumseh once again? Time will tell.

Ken Kalb is an author, publisher, and astrologer with over 800 published articles and 4 books. He is the director of Lucky Star Astrological Services. In the last 6 years, he has been the vortex of the global LightShift 2000 peace initiative, bringing millions together in Spirit for quantum global meditations to raise planetary consciousness. The August 11, 1999 Total Solar Eclipse, 1/1/2000, May 3-28 World Illumination Days, and 1/1/2001 Millennium meditations are among the largest spiritual convergences in history. The LightShift 2000 website is www.lightshift.com and Lucky Star is www.luckystarz.com . Email Ken at dolfunman@aol.com

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Dear Ulli,
I studied astrology during most of the 70's and have done charts also. I agree with you in that giving our your birth data to amateurs who have no integrity, understanding or respect for the art is a dangerous thing. It is akin to someone getting your credit card information. Most people would protect their birth data much more carefully if they knew what the chart reveals. In my early years I made many mistakes seeking information about my chart and was too trusting and naieve and learned the hard way. I no longer practice except for one friend, myself, and political/entertainment figures as regards the news or world events.

Also the Eastern astrology is quite different and I have no clue as to how that works. Also, lots of dissention about adding asteroids, size of orbsf, etc. I studied from a meat and potatoes astrologer who used small orbs and no other asteroids. Anyway, I am happy to see the thread and the object here is for fun and entertainment. I found that just going into the sun and moon signs was enough to really get some validation for the art. For me, I am not swayed by all the new findings and systems. The astrology I was taught works! Keep it simple, lol. Great thread.

Love & Light,
Star

[ulli]

Dear Ulli,
I studied astrology during most of the 70's and have done charts also. I agree with you in that giving our your birth data to amateurs who have no integrity, understanding or respect for the art is a dangerous thing. It is akin to someone getting your credit card information. Most people would protect their birth data much more carefully if they knew what the chart reveals. In my early years I made many mistakes seeking information about my chart and was too trusting and naieve and learned the hard way. I no longer practice except for one friend, myself, and political/entertainment figures as regards the news or world events.

Also the Eastern astrology is quite different and I have no clue as to how that works. Also, lots of dissention about adding asteroids, size of orbsf, etc. I studied from a meat and potatoes astrologer who used small orbs and no other asteroids. Anyway, I am happy to see the thread and the object here is for fun and entertainment. I found that just going into the sun and moon signs was enough to really get some validation for the art. For me, I am not swayed by all the new findings and systems. The astrology I was taught works! Keep it simple, lol. Great thread.

Love & Light,
Star

Thank you for your comments, Star. I agree with you, totally, and I also prefer not to get lost in reading the asteroids.
Although the little bit I learnt about the fixed star Regulus at 29 degrees of Leo has shown me something about how there is a field of study there, too.
It really deludes those who have a planet there into thinking they are royalty.
And then they suffer when their supposed "subjects" don't do as they are told. Major personalty clash area.

When doing reading or healing services for others I guess each person feels comfortable with whatever they resonate with, or are guided to.
Whatever it is you read for another person, whether palms, Tarot cards, asteroids, planets...if it helps them connect to their reality, it is good.
And what does good, is good.

[ulli]

Carmody, my values are really, really low.
801 - 483 318

I noticed he gave my Mars Mercury conjunction a really high value, over 400, but only a 7 for my Pluto Ascendant conjunction...probably doesn't think much of Pluto.
Yet it is one of my greatest strengths...helps me to regenerate my energies after I get sick...and without it I probably would not have made it past my childhood.
Meanwhile that Mars Mercury conjunction brought me quarrels, an over-active mind, disconnects me from my feeling body....so I don't quite understand on what values he based his values.
Does he think all of our energy supply comes only from Mars?
Maybe one day I will ask him.

[Carmody]

Carmody, my values are really, really low.
801 - 483 318

I noticed he gave my Mars Mercury conjunction a really high value, over 400, but only a 7 for my Pluto Ascendant conjunction...probably doesn't think much of Pluto.
Yet it is one of my greatest strengths...helps me to regenerate my energies after I get sick...and without it I probably would not have made it past my childhood.
Meanwhile that Mars Mercury conjunction brought me quarrels, an over-active mind, disconnects me from my feeling body....so I don't quite understand on what values he based his values.
Does he think all of our energy supply comes only from Mars?
Maybe one day I will ask him.

I think he's still working the system out. There needs to be another level of analysis. Which of course, would be whether the aspect is coming or going and what it combines or interacts with.

For example, something you don't need to be told..which is that there is conflict in the chart, which is the (-) values. The issues you are working on. And as you grow, we suspect that those energies change in nature, or of course..that they don't happen all at one time.

As well, when you check into his daily reports based on your given horoscope, one can find that what appears to be a 'low energy' chart for the given person can have very powerful alignments with the given positions of the planets in the 'now'. Suddenly the world becomes a place of potency in interactions and results for someone with a 'low number' score with this analysis of his. For example with your score in the 800 range, you may have found that if you change the date for your times in business in earlier years, some of those days and periods may have averaged 3000 or 4000.

(Which is why I cautioned people to be careful with those numbers. They are just numbers for analysis and one should not weigh one's self worth by such a thing. Which you have not done, obviously. We are musing on the concepts)

IMO, the ascendant is showing itself to be, to me..one of the more powerful aspects in the chart. Potentially, the reality of the 'earth' aspect itself, is what it is..combined with the 'spirit' and the Sun energies..as a 'flavor of being' (existing, as a flow) that holds great sway in the interpretation of reality by the given individual incarnating in the given avatar. I'm saying that the only evidence of the reflection of the prime earth vibration in the horoscope is held in these angular and house aspects, head and tail of the dragon, part of fortune, etc. I'd have to go back and check..but..is your Pluto in the first? Which might weigh it considerably higher. Like a bigger 'earth bound being-view-doorway' resonance with Pluto than the raw 'numbers' may indicate.

when playing with OBE's and astral planes on a regular basis..I found that the ascendant was playing through quite heavily. Meaning when the dawn crested the horizon, I'd snap back into being in my body. Consistently.

So the idea of the angle of the position of the sun's dawn, at the moment of physical birth, this seems to be a quite powerful point. Always interesting to note who 'the angel of the dawn' was. And all those rising sun images in the secret societies. (Essentially 'ego' societies-ascendant societies-the analysis holds through with the known record of their given histories) This is also connected to the idea of the collection of the dawn's dew for the purpose of using it in making the philosopher's stone (Once again, secret societies)...which gives access to the same energies as the OBE's and astral travel. (entry and exit of the body by the spirit-the philosopher's stone is definitely access to this door-this 'ascendant' function) This is tied to scalar energy levels of the given molecular order and level of angular entry into this reality of the 'charged and polarized' water of the dawn's dew. the condensation and the energy pattern of the dew from the dawn.

That the soul is considered to enter the body at this moment, the true dawn on the horizon at birth... this seems to be quite potent and is one of the few true 'permanent' effects of the given horoscope. Transits are powerful yes, as event type markers, but the notes of permanence can and do have unending patterns of influence that are so universal and constant that the given being has little recognition of them, for they don't change. Thus, due to connection of Pluto to the ascendant, it is part of the permanent rose colored glasses that you interpret reality through and by. Like a light or filter that is always on, with a specific tone and level of light/imagery.

[ulli]

here is your reading, Chuck

since your birthtime is not exact I didn't bother with the Ascendant, which could be either in Pisces or Aries...
nor the house positions of planets that could fall into either one of two houses.
I don't like to speculate...unless I know a person really well, and it becomes obvious from their behaviour.
You have the sun in Scorpio, Mercury in Scorpio and Neptune in Scorpio
which makes you intense, dynamic, powerful, peace-loving, unless you lose your cool,
when all that repressed energy burst out like a volcano in eruption...
then there is a lot of anger
The reason why people fear Scorpios so much is because when they blow their lid
then whoever is around at that moment ends up getting punished
even for what others did long time ago when they stepped on Scorpio's toes,
yet in the name of peace he let them get away with it,
and instead shoved the incidence deep down into his underground sewer.
Then when the last straw, however small, breaks the camel's back that sewer lid flies up the air and the SHTF.

This sentence above is not meant personal,
as you might have dealt with this issue long time ago,
but I wrote it anyway, as many people still don't quite understand how the Scorpio energy thingy works.
And there are Scorpios readers here who might like to get this insight about themselves.
next, you have the moon, Venus and Jupiter in Sagittarius.
This is great as it makes you jovial. Jovial means generous, it comes from the word Jove, which means Jupiter,
the ruling planet of Sagittarius.
So this colors your attitudes regarding home matters (moon) and love matters (Venus)
and having Jupiter in Sagittarius really brings with it a freedom-loving streak
and search nature that as soon as someone tries to get their claws into you you are gone.
Which means you have a conflict between needing people and not needing people.
Mars in Cancer makes you protective, business oriented, gives patience for long-term projects.
Uranus and Pluto in the 6th house brings health issues...either being sick or on a healer's mission
with Uranus there either exploring alternative healing matters or getting illnesses
that no one can diagnose as they are so rare.
You are a hard worker and ambitious (Mars Saturn opposition) and can be excessively authoritarian.
During the coming weeks, starting August 10th, I advise you to take care of your health.
Avoid places where you could get infected.
August 16th, 17th, and the 26th are sensitive dates.
By September things should get back to normal.
1987 was a tough year, January 1996, also 1997...these were periods of crisis for you.
What's ahead is nothing as fierce, and much more short-lasting,
but as you will have your awareness directed to the planets,
you can study first-hand how these energies affect us all.

[Chuck]

uli... you have my attention lol! I will respond more later. Thank you for your considerable effort in promoting your science here. You have convinced me that you know your stuff and that astrology can be helpful. Thank you for igniting an interest.

Furthermore, it is not common for people to give unconditionally like you have here. Thank you for that.

[finally there!!!]

Hey Ulli thanks for the wonderful reading you certainly have a gift. Seriously most of what you wrote was spot on and not only that its been a bit of an eye opener for me..
I see all of this as part of my journey.it also gives me extra courage and belief in the way I want my life to go.. when you said I probably had a tough time off late you couldn't be more wrong I'm probably the happiest iv ever been
so that to me means I'm changing for the better I refuse to let the negative in my life any more. So as i said before thanks so much this has helped in so many ways especially with my mam so thank you thank you thank you

Love and Respect

[777]

Hi Ulli, I'd love a reading if you're still up for doing them?

Incase you are, here is my info:

17th November 1978
Shrewsbury
England

If you have the time I'd be very interested, this thread is great! Thanks for all the effort you've put in.

[Kamikaze]

I would really like to know what you do read for me as well.

I'll Pm the date and location of birth.

[ulli]

Here is your reading, JohannaStarr

You have Aquarius Ascendant, so you come across as bright, independant, head-strong. If there is any uncertainty aboutthe time of your birth, and you were born 15 minutes later you would have a Pisces Ascendant, which gives quite a different personality.
Up to you to figure that out..friends can help, too.
Your sun was in Gemini, in the 4th house. gemini makes you adaptable, also flexible, you can mirror whoever you are around and always want to connect people up with each other. The born agent or middle man. Fourth house connects you to your roots, family, home.
The moon in Capricorn, this governs your emotions and responses...you come across as aloof, even though you like people on the whole, yet keep a reserved distance until the ice is broken. Some say the Capricorn moon also gives sleep problems, can I ask you to please give me some feedback on that?
Mercury (mental concepts, communication, thought) was in Cancer and in the 5th...you are great with children, love playing with them...somehow want to keep your own childhood going.
Venus in Gemini in the third, gives talent for story telling, also nice bond with siblings, if any.
Mars in Taurus in the second...at work once you get going you tend to go on and on, not even allowing for tea breaks...also need to watch a tendency to be a spend thrift, as those Martian impulses always make longer and longer shopping lists.
Jupiter in Leo in the 6th, enjoy good health, great relationships with coworkers, although they might see you as a bit bossy.
Saturn in Virgo in the 7th...as I've said before, Saturn is all about delays and restrictions, and the seventh is about marriage partners, so unless you get yourself a Saturnian guy (older, more mature, or Capricorn) you may stay alone. It's hard for people to win your trust, seeing that you also have the moon in Capricorn.
The other planet in your 7th house is Pluto, and that can make all relationship issues really intense...either you attract people who obsess about you, or you go after really difficult partners, in either case, Pluto being the planet of transformation, this is the area where your greatest lessons are learnt.
Uranus in the 8th, in Scorpio, you are highly intuitive and even psychic.
Due to the opposition to Mars you can be accident prone...you need to coordinate your body a bit more, perhaps by doing some athletic discipline. Also the axis being in houses 2 and 8 which govern money...there is a definite need to take things easy as far as spending is concerned.
Neptune on the MC (mid heaven, top of the chart) your aim is to be giving, and sacrificing yourself in service to others.
Currently Neptune is waddling over your ascendant, and since he was opposite your sun when you were born spiritual matters are really importnat and you are experiencing confusion and uncertainty as to what you should believe in. it will become clearer as your search progresses.
As always, I can't recommend astrology enough as a field of study.
Also Gurdjieff...read Ouspensky's "In Search ot the Miraculous".

[ulli]

Anyone interested in astrology but not yet sure if they are going to get serious may like to play with some of the free software available for download.

Here is a variety of available sites.
I haven't tried them all....I'm basically hooked on an ancient MS-DOS program I bought many years ago.
Halloran software is one that I have tried in the past, it's recommendable...simple and precise.

http://www.soulhealing.com/freeastrologysoftware.htm

[JohannaStarr]

Many thanks for this. It is quite humbling and amazing, but also makes one want to fight against any box they might be put in! lol. ;) As requested here is my honest and open feedback:

Aquarius / Pisces Ascendant - I shall check b'date with mother - I did peak at Pisces Ascendant and tbh there are some defo personality traits there too - is it possible to be a bit of both?
Gemini 4th house - most seems right. However, my parents divorced after years of arguing when I was 10 ensuing a rollercoaster of evernts from which I'm still recovering lol! I do not feel connected to my family as a result.
Capricorn moon - some people find me aloof until they know me. I do have terrible problems sleeping :(
Mercury - I actually tend to avoid children, though I do not dislike them, they tend to like me. Keeping own childhood going - in a way yes because of my family problems I don't feel I had a childhood having been forced to grow up too soon.
Venus in Gemini- is true, I write fantasy books (unpublished as yet), I have no siblings
Mars in Taurus - spending better expressed below with Uranus in the 8th, in Scorpio - I can spend too much - but this balances it well.
Jupiter in Leo - yes to all although not that bossy. Partner says I'm bossy to him though :p
Saturn in Virgo - partner is Taurean :O but he's not that bad really ^^ - and always had older partners.
Pluto - yes have had difficulty with obsessed people - not sure what I learn't but that I should run run run and keep running lol.
Uranus in the 8th - yes to intuition and maybe to psychic abilities though I haven't had the opportunity to develop those skills but am trying to now... Yes i am accident prone! I train 2x daily for triathlon so hopefully this will help although I keep falling off my bike :(
Neptune on the MC - this is interesting. yes to giving. yes to spirituality being important. yes to sacrificing but I have no idea what it is I am supposed to do on this planet lol and I am already nackered! Clearly I should continue searching so many thanks for that, I shall try to find some more stamina :).

I hope that is good enough feedback, I have (rightly or wrongly) been very open about it. Sorry if long winded. I wonder if it is possible to have elements of Pisces Ascendant in it too. Why do you ask specifically about the sleep problems? :)
Many thanks
Jo *

[Patrish]

Really enjoying reading this thread. If you do a reading for me I don't mind it being posted to the thread.(details PM earlier this week)
I used to dabble years ago, I remember long calculations to find siderial times.... looks much easier now...

But the real meat is in the interpretation.

Patrish xx

[ulli]

Many thanks for this. It is quite humbling and amazing, but also makes one want to fight against any box they might be put in! lol. ;) As requested here is my honest and open feedback:

Aquarius / Pisces Ascendant - I shall check b'date with mother - I did peak at Pisces Ascendant and tbh there are some defo personality traits there too - is it possible to be a bit of both?
Gemini 4th house - most seems right. However, my parents divorced after years of arguing when I was 10 ensuing a rollercoaster of evernts from which I'm still recovering lol! I do not feel connected to my family as a result.
Capricorn moon - some people find me aloof until they know me. I do have terrible problems sleeping :(
Mercury - I actually tend to avoid children, though I do not dislike them, they tend to like me. Keeping own childhood going - in a way yes because of my family problems I don't feel I had a childhood having been forced to grow up too soon.
Venus in Gemini- is true, I write fantasy books (unpublished as yet), I have no siblings
Mars in Taurus - spending better expressed below with Uranus in the 8th, in Scorpio - I can spend too much - but this balances it well.
Jupiter in Leo - yes to all although not that bossy. Partner says I'm bossy to him though :p
Saturn in Virgo - partner is Taurean :O but he's not that bad really ^^ - and always had older partners.
Pluto - yes have had difficulty with obsessed people - not sure what I learn't but that I should run run run and keep running lol.
Uranus in the 8th - yes to intuition and maybe to psychic abilities though I haven't had the opportunity to develop those skills but am trying to now... Yes i am accident prone! I train 2x daily for triathlon so hopefully this will help although I keep falling off my bike :(
Neptune on the MC - this is interesting. yes to giving. yes to spirituality being important. yes to sacrificing but I have no idea what it is I am supposed to do on this planet lol and I am already nackered! Clearly I should continue searching so many thanks for that, I shall try to find some more stamina :).

I hope that is good enough feedback, I have (rightly or wrongly) been very open about it. Sorry if long winded. I wonder if it is possible to have elements of Pisces Ascendant in it too. Why do you ask specifically about the sleep problems? :)
Many thanks
Jo *


Your natal sun and Neptune, the ruler of Pisces, were in opposition, that alone brings tons of Piscean factors into your personality.
You don't have any other Aquarian factors, so if my description of the Ascendant is partially correct, then it safe to assume that your Ascendant is Aqua, and the Pisces traits come from the sun Neptune angle.
Your sleep issues...moon governs sleep, rest, and the 12 th house is dreams, transcendence...and having Saturn ruled Capricorn there gave me the idea that perhaps you would have sleep problems....
But like all things Saturnian, the problem can be solved, with a bit of effort and study.

Thanks so much for the detailed feed-back...not long winded at all.
If you write fantasy stories...and geared them towards children, then your chart would click even more, and you might enjoy huge success. And if those stories had some illustration every few pages, triggering the reader's imagination even further I see a future there for you.

[ulli]

I'm nor sure who hates astrology more, astronomers or religious preachers.
When I was still young and naive and thought that if people listened to reasonable arguments they could become convinced I wasted a lot of breath. Well, I lived and learnt.
Skeptics have their minds made up, although skeptical people can still be open-minded and gradually come to see truth.
Truth can not be seen unless one first develops a crack in one's blindfold.
Finding is usually the result of seeking.

[ulli]

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[ulli]

Just one more, before I start on today's charts:


http://www.buildingchurchleaders.com/resources/cartoons/page/26568.jpg

[Star]

Hi Ulli,

You are doing such a fantastic job here and truly is a service of Love. I get a huge kick out of watching cable and how they ask guests who they think the better candidate is, or what do they think will happen to the market and all sorts of specualtive questions like that based solely on another's opinions and sometimes severa other's opinons. Now, put a fine astrologer on and do a chart for the question/person/ situation involved and they will find it ridiculous!! How much better an answer would come forth if the science was relied upon and respected, but unfortunately it is still in the domain of fortune telling, cartomancy, and vodoo. Oh well, I no longer watch them anymore as it is boring but thought I would share my views about our science. Again, many kudos to you for your loving contribution here.

Love & Light,
Star

[Carmody]

All the big companies, corporations, elites and governments use astrologers. Of that there is no doubt. Basically anyone and anything connected to this thing(group) we despise, this 'control structure', they all use astrologers or have astrologers among their group.

[ulli]

Star

They have their reasons for everything.

here is a tidbit often quoted in astro circles:

"An interesting bit of history reveals that Mr. J.P. Morgan, yes, THE Mr. Morgan, mega-financial tycoon,
was quoted as saying,
"Millionaires don't use Astrology, billionaires do!"

It is a documented fact that Mr. Morgan purchased a ticket for the Titanic's maiden voyage
a few weeks prior to her ill-fated departure, as so many of his elitist associates had done.

However, J.P. Morgan suddenly changed his itinerary for the South of France.
His close friends claim that Mr. Morgan had consulted with his astrologer just prior to changing his travel plans."

from this site:


http://turtlesdragons.blogspot.com/2009/03/don-use-astrology-billionaires-do.html

[Carmody]

We essentially posted the same thing at the same time. Remember my statement, folks, that the secret societies, as part of their core cornerstones of origins and reason for being....one of those cornerstones- is astrology. Everything that brought the modern world into being is tied to astrology.

Not obtusely, or obliquely connected, but directly connected.

The very idea that the flow of one's life, one's origins, one's motions, the timing of the events and the type of events?...all this being predictable??....What, how's that possible?

That all of this, for anyone and for any event, country, invention, law... basically a grouped function, ie the date of the conception of a country, for example The USA (http://www.aquasoul.com/US.html) itself....if the data is accurate -- the flow of that event can be predicted.

Accurately. Not specifics..it's the 'wave-particle' duality thing, come to life in this meta-view of reality. The kind of generalizations that quantum function says is in effect for grouped 'matter', it is similar, in kind, for astrology.

The only way that this is possible is that the motions of the planets are tracing and tracking an unrealized function of some kind which is universally integrated into the backdrop.

That 'something' can only be the so called and vaunted scalar or dimensional energies, which are outside of time and space in the normal 3d dimensional sense.

This is why you are not supposed to look at astrology.


"There's nothing to it, it's all garbage", they say. Only problem is..that the people who created the 'scientific method', which was an act of separating (compartmentalization) meta-analysis techniques and methods from humankind ....those same people are deep into the systems of academia and science..those are the very same secret societies that use astrology and are themselves --- astrologers.

They are really saying, is this:

"These are our tools, not yours.

You remain ignorant and controllable, thank you very much. In the way we use our people in high positions..secretly.. in armies and armed forces..the same way we program and fool them via their ignorance, petting their egos and expectations into thinking they are elevated in status, life, and thought..and send these people to war to ignorantly kill whom we desire to be dead or damaged....we use the same tactic at one level or step higher..in academia and the sciences.

The same compartmentalization of reasoning and thought utilized in our control of the militaries and policing of the world... we use the same tactic in academia and science. We created their lack of meta-views. The dogma of an 'assured safe feeling' that humans like so much (to feel safe) has been erected and rides unrealized in science and academia. It does not matter the idea of logic, it merely matters that the person holding the thought have limits to their psychological reach.

Our removal of the meta-path from the area of 'reasoning out the world' is one of our greatest achievements. So great that no-one really understands that it exists.

A real and true look at astrology, for example, can begin the process of bringing that house of card we erected....down. So never, ever look at astrology. Now go back to sleep and forget everything you just heard."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It's accuracy shows you that the idea of dimensions of energetic interactions that are outside of time..do indeed exist and have an imprint upon this 'space' or 'reality'.

They have a record, a history, a paper trail and it is testable.

To add....it has been used and tested for the past 6000+ years.

[ulli]

This is your reading, Chinasky
Libra Asc...you take great care of your appearance... presenting youself as stylish
Midheaven in Cancer, your goal is to nurture and don't mind if building your carreer is a slow longterm process
Sun in Gemini in the 9th house: you are restless, travel hungry, and need to be mentally stimulated at all times.
Moon in Leo in the 11th: You protect your image, are dignified, yet gregarious, entertaining, and have many friends
Mercury in Taurus in the 8th house: whatever you are interested in you take your time to learn in order to get a deeper understanding, especially matters of the occult, and conspiracy matters
Venus Mars conjunction in Aries
You are very loving, maybe even pushy in your pursuit of the object of your desire.
The planets of masculinity and femininity when conjunct bring an androgenous self-image:
you see "people" rather than gender,
which in some cases is expressed as bi sexuality...
there might be gender confusion.
However, as everything is a matter of choice I'm not pinning labels here.
Jupiter in Gemini in the 9th, adds more of the same to the qualities of the sun's position:
ie freedom loving, communicative, restless spirit, seeker.
Saturn in Leo in the 11th: Although you feel deeply, Saturn here keeps you from being too open,
and you seek privacy and counsel from your elders. The ego can be easily hurt.
Uranus in Scorpio in the 2nd, weirdness governs your taste in "stuff" ...
or Uranus being a technology planet you are a gadget freak. Sometimes brings unexpected losses.
Pluto in Libra in the first: You are dynamic, irrisistable, attractive, intense.
Right now Saturn is on that spot, challenging your entire self-image to the core. That would be me and my reading, I guess.
:behindsofa:
In August Jupiter comes to your Mercury, a time of massive planning, and mind expansion.
That would be because by then you will be studying astrology 24/7. New worlds, new galaxies. Yay!

Chinasky: one more thing...I just saw in a post of yours on another thread that you suffered "health issues" for years.
I didn't see that in your chart, although having Pluto in the first house can bring one to death's door and back again.
Are you sure of the birth time you gave me? Looking at your chart from a medical perspective the Leo Saturn, square Taurus Mercury, square Scorpio Uranus could bring heart or circulation problems. Let me know if I'm way off with that.

[ulli]

Here is your reading, Reirrac

Scorpio Ascendant, Uranus rising, 1st house:
You have intensity and are rebellious, going your own way.
MC Virgo, very hard working, scientific, precise in your work attitudes.

Your Gemini sun conjunct Venus in the 8th, and your Gemini moon in the 7th
give you to ability to easily connect to others, diplomacy alternating with your Uranian tactlessness...
Gemini means these connections don't always go to a deep level.

Since you also have 3 planets in the 10th house I suspect
most of your relationships serve your chosen carreer...
yet I also see a resistance to your work situation
maybe you haven't quite found your true calling yet.
You demand perfection at work, from yourself and the people you work with.
Saturn square your sun brings loads of obstacles and hurdles,
but you also have the ambition and determination to overcome those
thus gaining in capacity as you grow older.
Ultimately Saturn is the old grandfather sage, and you yourself strive for those qualities, seeking wisdom.
Because of Uranus right on the Ascendant there is indication of the famous split personality
that many Geminis suffer from: Uranus is the auto saboteur
and being in Scorpio demands that the instinct body gets it's way.
This can take you in a direction diametrically opposed to your strong mind planets in Gemini and Virgo.
It takes hard work to catch that saboteur in time, as Uranus functions with such swiftness.

Then there is Neptune opposite your sun, and that can bring more of the same,
Neptune being subversive...like flood waters creeping in through the floor boards...
another form of self sabotage.
Yet all these hurdles can and will be overcome, with the right attitude.

Sometimes difficult angles in the birth chart can act as catalysts for transformation,
while a person born with easy planets ends up going nowhere,
resting on their imaginary laurels for life.

So here I go again: study astrology!! even if you never practise it.
Your intuition about people is strong, and your Virgo planets give you great analytical skills,
although you must be on guard at all times about too fault finding, which that includes yourself.
So stay on the path, but don't forget to stop sometimes to smell the roses.

[ulli]

here is your reading, Catsquotl

Asc in Sagittarius with Jupiter rising in the first: without looking further
this is the chart of an indigo with a direct connection to the galactic center
also called the Great Central sun.
You have to find your mission, and it'd to do with guiding others through the shift.
The sun in Aquarius in the 2nd house, probably money matters are never an issue,
leaving you free to explore.
You have traveled back in time to bring the vision of a better world, but it's important to be constructive
about your vision and not destructive of what you are perceiving,
even though many indigos are a bit rough in their aproach.
The moon in Taurus ..in some cases makes people materialistic,
but with saturn right next to it forming the conjunction, there is more of a deliberate self denial of such luxuries,
and the end result a monk-like life of simplicity.
Jupiter in the first, another factor of independent thinking and love for freedom and travel.
Uranus in the 9th, in Libra, new ideas of a future society, where justice prevails.
opposition Mars in Aries...here is a bit of an accident proneness...during travels.
Mars here can make you too impulsive, and trip you up. It is possible to predict the times when danger lurks.
Just as I can see here when in the past you were "hit" but such incidents, or accidents.
The first such event happened when you were 8 1/2 years old. Then 1993 was a really crazy year.
Emotionally 1999 was tough, with Neptune on your sun and Pluto on your Venus....
But you got through it all, so far, and found Avalon. I'm not going to tell you when the next such event will occur,
as you are going to learn how to make your own predictions.
Just like a sailor would never set out to sail the oceans without a star map...
Anyway, Aquarians are born astrologers.

[Mike]

hey ulli,

thanks a bunch! that was fun and interesting to read.

you were certainly right about developing a career as a slow, long term process;)

definitely right about the freedom loving, communicative, restlessness and mental stim. and the travel part.

lost me a little with the androgyny/bisexual bit, as i like to think of myself as...ahem...quite masculine;)

i have been to death's door and back a few times, so Pluto in the first house seems to make sense. and you're spot on about heart and circulatory issues.

overall this was pretty accurate. thanks again Ulli!

[ulli]

well, one can never tell these days...I have done a few thousand charts, and that Mars/Venus conjunction comes up quite a bit, and always with some sort of a gender attitude....falling in love in a headstrong way...
But ultimately the person makes up their own mind about gender identity...thats just my opinion...
I wasn't suggesting in any way that you were effeminate
Mars in Aries is VERY masculine, and women born with that are often tomboys.
So some guys born with it sometimes find relationships with women too complicated or demanding for their liking...
looking for short cuts
if you get my drift...no offense.
I probably wouldn't have said anything if we had met face to face, as I have a good eye for other signals than just these numbers.
Right now you must remember, you are faceless, as far as I'm concerned.
Except I'm now looking at that avatar...if you want to be healthy, go easy on that bottle ;)

[JohannaStarr]

Thanks very much for the extra info :). Coloured pencils on the shopping list lol.

[ulli]

I am a bit pooped...enough for now,
tomorrow will do 777, kamikaze and purple lama

[Catsquotl]

Thank you Ulli,

1993 was definetly an rough year. Uncertain about 1999 though. I had just become a father then. So yeah i had to make a few adjustments then.
Damn now you are forcing me to read up on astrology LOL.
I do feel like a sailor without a map at times though

With Love
Eelco

[ulli]

Thank you Ulli,

1993 was definetly an rough year. Uncertain about 1999 though. I had just become a father then. So yeah i had to make a few adjustments then.
Damn now you are forcing me to read up on astrology LOL.
I do feel like a sailor without a map at times though

With Love
Eelco

My son also had his first child when Pluto was conjunct his Venus.
Remembering that Pluto does this only once every 250+ years...
I think what it really was about was that he nearly lost his wife then,
there were sevral emergencies just before she gave birth
Pluto is the planet of extremes- all or nothing...
Venus is the loved one,
so the relief when all had turned out well in the end
and they had an incredibly beautiful baby accounts for the highs and lows he went through...
just as his Pluto Venus conjunction indicated.

[Reirrac]

Ulli rocks! and so does Astrology!

I've always been a bit skeptical of it, mostly because of newspapers touting astrology and horoscopes, and they were always so general and did not resonate with me at all.

This reading that Ulli did is very accurate. I am going through quite a bit of self discovery at the moment. This outlines me and it actually resonates with me. It really rehashes many of the issues that I have been dealing with and is a good reminder.

Thank you.

[ulli]

I'm getting ready to go to the beach for several days, where there is no Internet access.
All those on the waiting list will have to wait a little longer...but I'm sure you'll survive.

Not so sure how I'm going to manage without my Internet, though.
Maybe someone could start a thread about Avalon addiction....

[Star]

Ulli,

Have a wonderful r&r time..you deserve it....

Love & Light,
Star

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Dear Ulli,

Thanks for the information you shared with me...was not aware of that and I love it! They use us secretly as Mrs. Nixon did I suppose.

Love & Light,
Star

[Ernie Nemeth]

Hi everyone! Great thread Ulli!

While there is this break, I'd like to say a few things about astrology. Back in the mid eigthies, I was getting restless. There was trouble brewing on the homefront with a looming divorce just ahead. What I wanted to do with my life was pressing me more and more. I even went to a phychiatrist who said I might be one of the sanest people she'd ever met. In the midst of this turmoil a friend suggested I look into astrology. By this time I had given up on esoteric studies and was focussing on science once again. Something made me buy an astrology book despite my scepticism, and I was hooked. I taught myself how to cast charts and interpret them. After two or three years I moved on to Tarot, then I Ching. But astrology was my first lesson in unification theory, or The Law of One. There have been many more since.

I have a box full of astrology books and files of charts of friends and family somewhere I haven't looked at in twenty years. I found astrology very useful at the time to learn about myself and those around me. That helped me immensely. For me, it was the starting point of a new, more sophisticated investigation of the esoteric and the arcane arts. I never took science, the contemporary scientific model that is, seriously ever again.

I'm Pisces, Sag rising.

P.S. This is very intimate details being discussed here, of both weakness and strengths. Please be cautious.

[sandy]

Hi Ulli,

Great thread and great service of love you are offering to those here at Avalon. Would you please add my name and stats to your list of people waiting for their reading. You are valued and your time is very much appreciated. Have a super time at the beach!!

Born September 3/1947, Kelowna, B.C. Canada sometime around 9:00 AM

[ulli]

While soaking in the tropical ocean I got stung by a jelly fish...a Portuguese man-o'-war. This gave me a chance to test something I had read about here at Avalon, the healing properties of papaya (pawpaw).
I can now confirm that this fruit is amazing.
It took away the burn within minutes,
and all redness was gone in under two hours.

I also got some orders on my regular work, (designing jewelry)
which means I won't have as much time for Avalon.
I will do charts as the spirit moves me,
and in the order they appear on my list... but for now I'm swamped.

One more thing: I decided I won't be reading the chart for someone
who hardly ever posts on the forum and who doesn't contribute in some way
their own views on astrology,
or at least some aspect of it.

I hold the view that life is about reciprocal maintenance,
that each person has something to offer to society,
no matter how humble.


While many plant seeds can hardly be distinguished from small pieces of rocks,
and thus give no clue as to the potential shape of it's own being...say a rose...
a birth chart can show a person's potential for constructive as well as destructive
behavior...although it is up to the free will of each person in what manner to express or direct their activities, that follow impulses.

Considering their lives in the context of the long-term consequences
of their actions and how these might be of benefit to themselves and others.

Astrology can be used to show people their own uniqueness, their gifts and talents.
Once a person taps into their inner reserves, whether they be intellectual, or physical, they may discover a cornucopia effect...something like that dinner plate that always fills up or a wallet that never runs out of money.
This is what we each can be, if only we believe in ourselves.

But the first thing is to know who we are, at this moment, then we can go forward and become the best we can be.

Even an astrology novice can learn and even do something for their fellow man,
encouraging them to believe in themselves, despite some inevitable limitations.

At some level everyone is handicapped, but the worst handicaps are not necessarily physical, but are a low, deceitful, malicious and habitually self-serving character.

But with a positive application of astrology this is something that
anyone can change, when they are ready, once they realize the benefits of true self expression, as directed by their cosmic potential.

[Avocadess]

So cool that the paw-paw helped with your jellyfish sting...! I take it that you applied it topically? Glad you are feeling better!

[Anno]

It's awesome to see a nice constructive thread like this. I'll volunteer my details, I just hope I'm not the anti-christ or anything =/

[...]

[ulli]

It's awesome to see a nice constructive thread like this. I'll volunteer my details, I just hope I'm not the anti-christ or anything =/

Sun in Libra
Moon in Scorpio
....snip....
I made a chart at http://www.astro.com/horoscope
and it had angles and everything but I have no idea what it all means. It makes a pretty arrow pointing up and right.

Anno, when I first saw this list up there I thought well, well, here we have a typical indigo child...all those Scorpio factors...which can make you an effective demolisher, not necesarily an anti Christ, but close, lol...
But what many forget is that even Christ said he came to bring a sword...

But then I saw how much Libra energy you carry....wow, you are like a twelve cylinder engine...maybe more of a Crystal child, not a demolisher at all, but a true culture bearer.

Every time your Scorpio wants to run off and do something extreme, your Libra Sun yanks the chain and calls for moderation, taking you back to a midpoint.
But of course Libra can't win every time...Scorpio is a very powerful sign and will do whatever is necessary.
Then stepping back into the shadows, and leaving the Libra part of your self to deal with the guilt feelings.
The art of managing this inner universe should be taught in prep schools.

[Anno]

It's awesome to see a nice constructive thread like this. I'll volunteer my details, I just hope I'm not the anti-christ or anything =/

*** Information Erased By Future Self ***

I made a chart at http://www.astro.com/horoscope and it had angles and everything but I have no idea what it all means. It makes a pretty arrow pointing up and right.

Anno, when I first saw this list up there I thought well, well, here we have a typical indigo child...all those Scorpio factors...which can make you an effective demolisher, not necesarily an anti Christ, but close, lol...
But what many forget is that even Christ said he came to bring a sword...

But then I saw how much Libra energy you carry....wow, you are like a twelve cylinder engine...maybe more of a Crystal child, not a demolisher at all, but a true culture bearer.

Every time your Scorpio wants to run off and do something extreme, your Libra Sun yanks the chain and calls for moderation, taking you back to a midpoint.
But of course Libra can't win every time...Scorpio is a very powerful sign and will do whatever is necessary.
Then stepping back into the shadows, and leaving the Libra part of your self to deal with the guilt feelings.
The art of managing this inner universe should be taught in prep schools.

Ty Ulli! I do flick between those two. Sometimes I can accomplish anything and other times I just sit around worrying about the world. I'm not sure I believe in the whole Indigo child thing. It smells of pushy parents to me so I've not really looked in to it. I've not heard of Crystal child but I'll go look it up.

Expect an Anno Cult in a city near you soon!! =]

[ulli]

So cool that the paw-paw helped with your jellyfish sting...! I take it that you applied it topically? Glad you are feeling better!


Yes, I just cut off a thin slice and mushed it with a fork, then applied it topically.

I have been saying for ages that I wanted to plant pawpaw trees on our land, and lo and behold, my husband just came back from there and said he spotted a 6 foot tall pawpaw tree right next to the road, and it carried more than a dozen fruits. He said some neighbors garbage bags might have been raided by street dogs there, and seeds got spilled.

I'm so thrilled. The longer I'm on this manifestation path the more it happens...the main thing is not to become complacent and take it for granted.
Pawpaw chunks with lemon juice and a little honey...there is nothing healthier.

And the other divine fruit is, of course, the delicious avocado.
Which I 'm sure you know all about already. ;)

[ulli]

Ty Ulli! I do flick between those two. Sometimes I can accomplish anything and other times I just sit around worrying about the world. I'm not sure I believe in the whole Indigo child thing. It smells of pushy parents to me so I've not really looked in to it. I've not heard of Crystal child but I'll go look it up.

Expect an Anno Cult in a city near you soon!! =]

Lol, or how about doing Anno music. Brit performer Bryan Ferry has a chart just like yours, and did rather well with his carreer.

I raised a 1979 indigo, and fit the description myself, being of the hippie generation. My phases were hippie, punk, yuppie, spiritual, cosmic. I didn't realize that indigos were children of pushy parents...but boy, this is very true in our case.
Except I woke up just in time, and have been doing damage control ever since.

I always associated indigos as the ones who have to take down the crumbling system, and the crystals, who are much softer in personality, to be the builders of the new world.

[Anno]

Lol, or how about doing Anno music. Brit performer Bryan Ferry has a chart just like yours, and did rather well with his carreer.

I raised a 1979 indigo, and fit the description myself, being of the hippie generation. My phases were hippie, punk, yuppie, spiritual, cosmic. I didn't realize that indigos were children of pushy parents...but boy, this is very true in our case.
Except I woke up just in time, and have been doing damage control ever since.

I always associated indigos as the ones who have to take down the crumbling system, and the crystals, who are much softer in personality, to be the builders of the new world.

I do play the guitar and used to play the piano but I don't really have a passion for music. It's more of a meditation practice for me. My passion is for words and writing. After having many many useless jobs over the years I've finally accepted that writing is what I need to do to be happy. I can spend weeks on end where I'll happily spend the whole day and night reading and having ideas.

I'm actually writing some articles at the moment for a new 'truth seeker' website that's coming out later in the year but I'll get in serious trouble if I start talking about that in public ahead of schedule. I was wary at first but it's specifically aimed at people who are sick to death of gurus and fear porn and just want information and open discussion without the whole, pick an enemy and buy the book/dvd mentality. I'm going to add, Ulli said I'm a Crystal Child to my cv =D

Do you have an astrology site somewhere online Ulli?

[ulli]

I'm going to add, Ulli said I'm a Crystal Child to my cv =D

Do you have an astrology site somewhere online Ulli?

No, I never wanted to open that can of worms.
Maybe I'll just stick to sharing thoughts right here at Avalon.

And maybe also change my signature:
Don't quote Ulli... Nothing is written in stone.

Maybe there are neither indigos nor crystals....
Everything is myth. Made by the myth makers...
Ulli says Anno is a future myth maker....
Then his children will turn his mythology into their reality.

[Anno]

I'm going to add, Ulli said I'm a Crystal Child to my cv =D

Do you have an astrology site somewhere online Ulli?
[...]
Ulli says Anno is a future myth maker....
[...]

Ulli, if only you knew how right you are lol. I've read a few of your astrology posts on here and I think some kind of Ulli site or Blog would be awesome. Mainly as you give the info away for free and aren't an ego freak like most who do such things.

I'll make sure my children have a Book of Ulli that gets passed down the generations. I need to become Supreme Emperor of Earth first though so you have plenty of time to write it.

[sandy]

While soaking in the tropical ocean I got stung by a jelly fish...a Portuguese man-o'-war. This gave me a chance to test something I had read about here at Avalon, the healing properties of papaya (pawpaw).
I can now confirm that this fruit is amazing.
It took away the burn within minutes,
and all redness was gone in under two hours.

I also got some orders on my regular work, (designing jewelry)
which means I won't have as much time for Avalon.
I will do charts as the spirit moves me,
and in the order they appear on my list... but for now I'm swamped.

One more thing: I decided I won't be reading the chart for someone
who hardly ever posts on the forum and who doesn't contribute in some way
their own views on astrology,
or at least some aspect of it.

I hold the view that life is about reciprocal maintenance,
that each person has something to offer to society,
no matter how humble.


While many plant seeds can hardly be distinguished from small pieces of rocks,
and thus give no clue as to the potential shape of it's own being...say a rose...
a birth chart can show a person's potential for constructive as well as destructive
behavior...although it is up to the free will of each person in what manner to express or direct their activities, that follow impulses.

Considering their lives in the context of the long-term consequences
of their actions and how these might be of benefit to themselves and others.

Astrology can be used to show people their own uniqueness, their gifts and talents.
Once a person taps into their inner reserves, whether they be intellectual, or physical, they may discover a cornucopia effect...something like that dinner plate that always fills up or a wallet that never runs out of money.
This is what we each can be, if only we believe in ourselves.

But the first thing is to know who we are, at this moment, then we can go forward and become the best we can be.

Even an astrology novice can learn and even do something for their fellow man,
encouraging them to believe in themselves, despite some inevitable limitations.

At some level everyone is handicapped, but the worst handicaps are not necessarily physical, but are a low, deceitful, malicious and habitually self-serving character.

But with a positive application of astrology this is something that
anyone can change, when they are ready, once they realize the benefits of true self expression, as directed by their cosmic potential.

Dear Ulli,

Happy to hear the pawpaw worked as I hear their stings are very painful. Sure enjoy your wisdom on all threads and the role model you provide with your actions. Manifestation is what you seem to be creating all the time with your visions and spiritual journey :)

[onawah]

I've posted some info about the upcoming Mercury in Retrograde in this thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?26282-This-Is-Not-A-Normal-Mercury-Retrograde&p=271508#post271508
It sounds like we are in for an unusual month!

Following is my chart, as done on astro.com
I would be very interested to hear your impressions.
It was in a chart form originally, but would only copy out vertically. Apologies for that--it's a bit difficult to read that way.
I've found astrology to be a very interesting subject since I first began reading about it in the early 60s. One of the first books I read was by Sydney Omar about the 12 signs ( I've forgotten the title), and it was such a good tool for me in understanding people. I thought he described the essence of each sign very well. Astrology was a kind of springboard for me to go on to study other metaphysical subjects.

AstroText Forecast - Short Edition


born on 29 July 1948
local time
02:55 am
in Alexandria, VA (US)
U.T.
06:55
77w03, 38n48
sid. time
22:14:08

Planetary positions
planet
sign
degree
house
motion
Sun
Leo
06°02'30
02/3
direct
Moon
Taurus
06°23'30
11
direct
Mercury
Cancer
21°40'46
02
direct
Venus
Gemini
27°37'52
01
direct
Mars
Libra
07°07'13
05
direct
Jupiter
Sagittarius
19°35'13
06
retrograde
Saturn
Leo
23°29'58
03
direct
Uranus
Gemini
28°39'55
01
direct
Neptune
Libra
10°35'31
05
direct
Pluto
Leo
14°17'57
03
direct
True Node
Taurus
09°48'12
11
direct

House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant
Gemini
24°19'39


2nd House
Cancer
15°15'12


3rd House
Leo
06°24'21


Imum Coeli
Virgo
01°30'52


5th House
Libra
04°21'30


6th House
Scorpio
15°06'41


Descendant
Sagittarius
24°19'39


8th House
Capricorn
15°15'12


9th House
Aquarius
06°24'21


Medium Coeli
Pisces
01°30'52


11th House
Aries
04°21'30


12th House
Taurus
15°06'41

[777]

I am a bit pooped...enough for now,
tomorrow will do 777, kamikaze and purple lama

Thanks Ulli! Hope you're recovering well?

[ulli]

I am a bit pooped...enough for now,
tomorrow will do 777, kamikaze and purple lama

Thanks Ulli! Hope you're recovering well?

Yeah, yeah, you're next, I remember.
As soon as I'm finished with my morning coffee in-bed reading ritual,
and got showered and dressed,
put on my head scarf,
hooped earrings and purple cloak with stars and moons.... :welcome:

It will be my pleasure, I love 1978 vintage.

[ulli]

here is your reading, 777

How many times have I looked at someone's chart here and found that my first thought was
WOW, THAT'S WHY this person is an Avalonian!!
And this was definitely the case with your chart, 777.

Again we have the Ascendant right on the galactic center in Sagittarius,
again the full 12th house, again a strong Neptune aspect
which is conjunct Mercury, and Mars...
also all in Sagittarius, also in the 12th house.

But at the same time quite well grounded in reality, ambition to succeed,
with three planets in the 10th house (carreer is taken very seriously).

Your Gemini Moon keeps you light in connecting to others,
wanting to be of service (6th house) ..

the moon's opposition to the Ascendant
means you interact with people in a giving manner...
but of course, only up to a point,
as your Scorpio sun requires privacy and your Sag Ascendant wants freedom...freedom from committment.

Jupiter in Leo gives you the confidence to perform, even on stage,
and in the 7th house no shortage of admirers, partners, lovers.
In fact Jupiter's square to your Scorpio Venus indicates
that perhaps at times there might be overindulgence,
and this area needs conscious control
if you don't want to live on an emotional roller coaster..

But maybe you were lucky and found the right partner early,
someone who understands your need for space, as well as your need for passion,
and at the right moment when those needs arise.

The Neptune Mercury conjunction means you have the ability to channel knowledge from a very high dimension.
Dictating this knowledge could be a possibility, or even automatic writing.

Your chart doesn't give much indication as to children,
which does not mean you won't have any,
just that child raising isn't such a big issue in your life.
(Although Jupiter in Leo counter-balances that a bit...kids are drawn to you)

Receiving your visions, maintaining the inflow pure,
then expressing via your work what you see-- this is your main task.
You are an original.(Sun Uranus conjunction in Scorpio)

There is one more slightly tricky square I want to point to:
this one is hard to analyze, as it depends which of the two planets involved has the upper hand.
It is having Mars in Sagittarius in the 11th (the never-at-home traveling minstral)
square your Virgo Saturn in the 8th...a disciplinarian, who demands sacrifices,
and controls those Martian Sagittarian urges.

Since Mars is also indicator of physical energy, the square from Saturn can create blockages there,
and you may have to use additional mindpower to undo those blockages.

Pluto in Libra in the 9th...Pluto being the transformer of ego...in the ninth house...
means during travel and mental journeys is where your biggest changes occur.

Somehow looking at your chart made me think of Terence McKenna,
so I compared his chart to yours and found some interesting correlation.
Both are Scorpios, both with a Mercury/Mars conjunction (mind expressing itself through speech),
and your Jupiter in the exact degree of McKenna's Saturn...hmmm....

I bet you will get some strong resonance feelings when listening to his Youtube talks...

[araucaria]

Dear Ulli
Most of this thread was written before I had time to find it. I’m sure it is helping many more people than just those who have passed on their birth details. Thank you for that!

I have one small question: how do you interpret contradictions in the birth chart, for example if one indication is dead right and another dead wrong? Would it be some life-changing event or forking path, or maybe just someone who didn’t know whether they were coming or going?

You talk about the perfection of the system; I wonder, maybe this has something to do with the ‘Nineveh constant’ - a huge number found on a Sumerian tablet (70 multiplied by seven times 60) and discovered by Maurice Chatelain to be the duration in seconds for one full solar system reset – or in astrological terms, the time it takes for anyone’s birth chart to repeat (c. 6.2 million years). In that time for instance, Halley’s comet makes exactly 81,000 orbits – an incredibly round number (3^4 x 10^3). This is clockwork accuracy with a vengeance – the formula ‘to the nearest second’ is just way too approximate!

On the subject of twins, as you say, with the population explosion, they must be getting more and more numerous. You would also want to factor in the effect of the Moon: the fact that maternity wards tend to fill up at full moon. Which means that there must be more twins already out there than there statistically should be. Would this give greater importance to the Moon sign I wonder?

I have been reading John Lash recently. In his Quest for the Zodiac he projects planetary alignments onto the background constellations, among which he includes Ophiucus. I wonder what your thoughts are on this. He also adds an Earth sign, which is opposite to the Sun sign. I think this corresponds to the importance you place on one’s opposite sign.

Being grounded in the Earth sign is particularly important in the light of Lash’s book on Gnosticism, Not in His Image, where, joining the dots, I see it as the connection to Sophia/Gaia. According to Lash, Sophia’s dream was of a three-body, Sun-Moon-Earth system, which was disturbed by the cyborg-like Archons (led by the Demiurge), who created the rest of the solar system, where they live, and who have been leading us humans astray (‘intrapsychic forces that exaggerate human error beyond the scale of correction’).

This means that the clockwork accuracy of the solar system is the work of the Archons, which would be perfectly in keeping with their mindlessly uncreative, mechanical, copycat nature. For Sophia, a living entity navigating under her own steam through the cosmos, this may be a good navigational instrument – or possibly not. Given that the human representatives of the Archons (‘messengers of deception’, Jacques Vallée) are ‘the powers that be’, perhaps part of our problem is that this instrument is, if not broken, somehow subtly unfit for the guidance purpose it is being put to.

That is the question I have right now. What would it change if astrology were to rely solely on the Sun-Moon-Earth signs? (I do understand however the value of the slow-orbiting outer planets.) I’d be interested to hear your thoughts, Ulli. Thank you for opening my mind to this new area.

PS. To talk of the PTB is to give them more power than they actually have, rather like attributing all sorts of crimes to Al Qaida turns it into the monster organization it is not.

[ulli]

I’d be interested to hear your thoughts, Ulli. Thank you for opening my mind to this new area.

PS. To talk of the PTB is to give them more power than they actually have, rather like attributing all sorts of crimes to Al Qaida turns it into the monster organization it is not.

wow, Araucaria, lots of really interesting questions there, and I must admit, quite a few of them are way beyond my scope and knowledge.
Some I can try and give answers to, such as Lash's work on the fixed stars, although I haven't read his book.
But for now want to let you know where I stand in all of this:
I tend to compare the astrology spectrum to that of the medical arts, (me, being a country doctor's wife)
where you have a family GP on one end, and on the other an endlessly vast field of expertise, with highly skilled surgeons.
Think of me as a village GP astrologer.

There are so many, many intersting astrology books out there, some of which I have read,
like on the Dark Moon Lilith, or the Thirteenth Sign
or books that analyze each one of the 360 degrees of the zodiac...
and some of these can have quite a few verifiable truth elements
but in the end I had to ask myself realistically 'what is it that I can do? Or even want to do?'

Whilst looking at the types of persons who come to me for a reading
some of whom are at that moment getting their first glimmers of awakening,
and beginning to look within for answers., yet many of them still come with their problems, like:
"I started an affair with my sister's boyfriend, what shall I do??"
Or "My husband has just been diagnosed with cancer of the liver,
how much longer does he have to live??"
Which reminds me of one upper class client in London,
when I knew next to zero about astrology, having just started,
and I was still referring to my books for answers:

"What will be the outcome of the next government election in .....? (Fill in a southern European country)
My husband is the leader of the opposition party there, and he is in jail right now,
but if his party wins he will be freed."
So I start looking at the dates of her chart and her husband's...
all with the assumption that she was hoping for his party to win- wanting him to be freed, naturally...
haha...how wrong I was...next moment I find out from her
no no nooo--- that would mean I would have to give up my lover!!!!...... Her lover was some guy who was the son of some central Asian country's premier. (can't give name nor country, due to confidentiality reasons) and besides, he was also a wanted terrorist...
A real whoa moment right there...
Talk about diving into the deep end...


And that's when I decided that I wanted to rather help the middle class types,
and also to keep it simple...
simple enough for ordinary people to relate the information
to their lives, in a practical way, and that way make good and responsible decisions...
based on context and consequence.

[araucaria]

Thanks Ulli
This thread is predicated on the idea that astrology can be useful in positive ways to seekers, as opposed to the rather unsavoury bread-and-butter stuff you talk about.

So I guess my main question was how confident you are that this is so. I am wondering if there isn't a built-in bias towards the somewhat negative. One of John Lash's main points is to get away from the ego-oriented side of this practice. You may like to read him sometime, but a practical answer from your experience like the above one, is probably more interesting than a theoretical one.

On another topic, would you care to elaborate on Anno's libra energy?

[ulli]

Thanks Ulli
This thread is predicated on the idea that astrology can be useful in positive ways to seekers, as opposed to the rather unsavoury bread-and-butter stuff you talk about.

So I guess my main question was how confident you are that this is so. I am wondering if there isn't a built-in bias towards the somewhat negative. One of John Lash's main points is to get away from the ego-oriented side of this practice. You may like to read him sometime, but a practical answer from your experience like the above one, is probably more interesting than a theoretical one.

On another topic, would you care to elaborate on Anno's libra energy?

I just finished elaborating a bit more on your earlier post, and without seeing your question about Libra energy here, I actually brought up a few Libra examples. Must have been reading your mind. I will definitely get some of John Lash's books...a friend has urged me several years ago to read his book 'Not in His Image'.
Confidence fluctuates all the time, but when high i forgive everybody, including myself, absolutely everything. Life is perfect, everything is as it should be, all is in harmony. So it's all really a matter of personal perception, and that depends on the level of consciousness.
Here is the post I just finished writing:
Life now is the result of our decisions, not destiny or fate,
for many the shift has occured, and they have come out of victim mode
and realize that all they have to do is decide what kind of a life they want,
and then stick with that vision,
knowing that if they change their vision the universe will rearrange itself again
in order to accomodate them.


So I try to give clients options to weigh so they can take their lives into their own hands...
and first they must become honest about who they are, warts and all.
That way, when their dreams don't come true they can see that it was their own inner contradictive traits
that came along at an unconscious moment and sabotaged their plans.
The divided self must be made whole.
In the beginning people fail a few times before they can begin to see what has really happened...
and that it was their inner saboteur.
Then they no longer blame their parents, their spouses, their boss, their government.
Then they no longer just see the outer world, or room, or group of people,
but see themselves as being a part of that world, or room, or group of people.
A world in which they play an equal part, yet with their unique contribution.

My main conflict is to do with the fact that my sun is in Capricorn, (wholeness, big picture) yet in my sixth house (Virgo, hence detail)
In my view it is important to follow both your sun signs and house positions this is where the higest energies are
the sun being the light giver of our solar system family...so in my case I have to balance macrocosm and microcosm in my life.
Meanwhile my Taurus moon tries to pull me away, wanting me to nurture my sensual, materialistic, self-indulgent side.
thus adding to the balancing act.
One can never maintain balance in life without a happy medium between one's sun and moon signs, just like it would be impossible to be well if one was deprived of sleep and rest.



araucaria: I have one small question: how do you interpret contradictions in the birth chart, for example if one indication is dead right and another dead wrong? Would it be some life-changing event or forking path, or maybe just someone who didn’t know whether they were coming or going?

Do you mean dead right- dead wrong in the legal sense? or moral sense?
Contradictions are indicated in all charts, the whole purpose is of finding them and then seeing how they pop up in one's thoughts, feelings and actions.
As`I said I have a Taurus moon, which makes me slow,
and Aquarius Mercury and Mars which make me fast in my reactions...

and when exactly these patterns kick in depends on the transits or progressions of a given moment.
If I'm conscious I can catch myself and observe this, can try and see other options, weigh those options,
and perhaps make some adjustment in how I want to react instead of simply following that planetary impulse.

Does this make me sound like a Libra? Yes, for a brief moment I can be a Libra, if I want.
That's what self creation is about.
But at least I'm not stuck with that pattern at ALL times, the way an unevolved Libra person might be.

Equally, an evolved Libra can overcome their compulsion to weigh everything with their mind,
and occasionally dare to take a plunge into the cold pool, thus discovering that being gutsy can work, too, giving them a new idea of their capacities. Then go to an astrologer about the subsequent, inevitable guilt feelings :)

[ulli]

araucaria:
This thread is predicated on the idea that astrology can be useful in positive ways to seekers, as opposed to the rather unsavoury bread-and-butter stuff you talk about.

So I guess my main question was how confident you are that this is so. I am wondering if there isn't a built-in bias towards the somewhat negative.

My main vision is to inspire people to learn what these 12 zodiacal archetypes are about,
and find their personal discernment of the difference between positive and negative application.

Once they have learnt a few basics they don't have to rely on others to interpret their chart for them.
The same with weather forecasts...I use satellite pictures, to inform myself nowadays,
not the TV weather girl.
For me life is about bringing oneself to account, not others,
it's about maintaing a healthy conscience and being ok with one's self.
We are born alone, we die alone, and the people we meet throughout life
are there to help us find our place in the greater fractal.
When a certain balance point is reached a vortex forms, and pulls us up towards those higher levels.
Equally, when we spin out of control we drift towards a whirlpool that sucks us towards a lower level.
There we get another chance to find the energies to create harmony.

I don't think anyone has yet determined how many levels there are below,
nor how many there are above, even though there are many teachers
who have made up such numbers.
But on each level the same laws apply.
Find the point of balance between the extremes...
in the context of the larger picture.

It doesn't matter then if others react negatively..
as long as one acted from the heart, doing one's best.

[cheez_2806]

This is interesting~
my dob is 1990 June 28th on 2.45pm at china shanghai.

All I know now is I'm a cancer but I act like a Gemini sometimes...but mostly my overall personality is kinda like a Capricorn...

[Anno]

*puts his hand up*


[...]Astrology is a whole life mirror, of the most potent and relevant kind, on all levels.
[...]


[...]in the wrong hands this data can be misused,
by one's enemies...[...]

How does this tie in with Free Will? Not that I'm 100% convinced Free Will exists, or at least not for every 'player'.

Would it be fair to see it as 'background settings' that determine the potential for 'the force' to be either with you, against you or not really caring? Some kind of universal randomisation factor that attempts to maintain balance by distributing the best available 'vibration of energy' that 'it' needs, rather than how 'we' want things to be?

Or is 'it' something else and Astrology is a mapping system to predict your base potential that would probably happen if you made no conscious choices (were 'asleep'), or were seeking to act in harmony with Dharma 'go with the flow' safely. Or indeed being naughty and attempting to manipulate situations to get a favourable outcome for your self or a 'client'.

If so, could Karma / Law of Attraction be seen as some kind of 'signature' you have that allows 'it' to alter your distribution of good/bad in any given experience to guide you away/from your situation allowing 'it' to distribute what 'it' needs where 'it' needs it to be for harmony to ensue?
Not in a personal way but sometimes you need an angel and sometimes you need a devil. Creation/Recreation, no such thing as death/hell etc etc.
Could this be measured or predicted by Astrology?

A little more complicated than I intended but you both inspired me with your similarly different outputs. ^_^

[ulli]

*puts his hand up*


[...]Astrology is a whole life mirror, of the most potent and relevant kind, on all levels.
[...]


[...]in the wrong hands this data can be misused,
by one's enemies...[...]

How does this tie in with Free Will? Not that I'm 100% convinced Free Will exists, or at least not for every 'player'.

Would it be fair to see it as 'background settings' that determine the potential for 'the force' to be either with you, against you or not really caring? Some kind of universal randomisation factor that attempts to maintain balance by distributing the best available 'vibration of energy' that 'it' needs, rather than how 'we' want things to be?

Or is 'it' something else and Astrology is a mapping system to predict your base potential that would probably happen if you made no conscious choices (were 'asleep'), or were seeking to act in harmony with Dharma 'go with the flow' safely. Or indeed being naughty and attempting to manipulate situations to get a favourable outcome for your self or a 'client'.

If so, could Karma / Law of Attraction be seen as some kind of 'signature' you have that allows 'it' to alter your distribution of good/bad in any given experience to guide you away/from your situation allowing 'it' to distribute what 'it' needs where 'it' needs it to be for harmony to ensue?
Not in a personal way but sometimes you need an angel and sometimes you need a devil. Creation/Recreation, no such thing as death/hell etc etc.
Could this be measured or predicted by Astrology?

A little more complicated than I intended but you both inspired me with your similarly different outputs. ^_^

if I were to consider you a problem, and I intended to harm you, and if I knew that tomorrow Mars up there in the sky would arrive at a spot from where he could form a right angle to your natal Saturn, and those exact coordiantes were known to me, I would know that you would be vulnerable on such a day, and use that moment of your weakness to launch an attack. This is how the combined knowledge of astrology and magic has been used against opponents, and this is why religious leaders want to keep this knowledge under wraps. It's like sending someone out to sea, knowing there is a storm coming, in the hope of getting rid of them. Of course the way the universe is set up, such an act brings with it severe karmic consequences, but evil people don't believe in karma, deluding themselves because some dark entity promised them protection. A purified person would never knowingly abuse this knowledge and be constantly vigilant against the temptation to do so.

[ulli]

This is interesting~
my dob is 1990 June 28th on 2.45pm at china shanghai.

All I know now is I'm a cancer but I act like a Gemini sometimes...but mostly my overall personality is kinda like a Capricorn...

Hi Cheez
I recommend that you go to either one of these two links
http://www.new-astrology.com/
www.astro.com
and put in your data, and bring me back some of the info...
it would make my job so much easier...and that was the original idea, anyway, actually...
to get people to make use of these free online services...
I don't think I can do any more readings right now the way I did last week when I had a lot of time on my hands.

[modwiz]

*puts his hand up*


[...]Astrology is a whole life mirror, of the most potent and relevant kind, on all levels.
[...]


[...]in the wrong hands this data can be misused,
by one's enemies...[...]

How does this tie in with Free Will? Not that I'm 100% convinced Free Will exists, or at least not for every 'player'.

Would it be fair to see it as 'background settings' that determine the potential for 'the force' to be either with you, against you or not really caring? Some kind of universal randomisation factor that attempts to maintain balance by distributing the best available 'vibration of energy' that 'it' needs, rather than how 'we' want things to be?

Or is 'it' something else and Astrology is a mapping system to predict your base potential that would probably happen if you made no conscious choices (were 'asleep'), or were seeking to act in harmony with Dharma 'go with the flow' safely. Or indeed being naughty and attempting to manipulate situations to get a favourable outcome for your self or a 'client'.

If so, could Karma / Law of Attraction be seen as some kind of 'signature' you have that allows 'it' to alter your distribution of good/bad in any given experience to guide you away/from your situation allowing 'it' to distribute what 'it' needs where 'it' needs it to be for harmony to ensue?
Not in a personal way but sometimes you need an angel and sometimes you need a devil. Creation/Recreation, no such thing as death/hell etc etc.
Could this be measured or predicted by Astrology?

A little more complicated than I intended but you both inspired me with your similarly different outputs. ^_^

I forget whose quote it is but........."The stars influence, they do not compel". It is also a likely paraphrasing but may prove further assistance to Ulli's eloquent and thorough answer, as well as Carmody's.

[ulli]

*puts his hand up*


[...]Astrology is a whole life mirror, of the most potent and relevant kind, on all levels.
[...]


[...]in the wrong hands this data can be misused,
by one's enemies...[...]

How does this tie in with Free Will? Not that I'm 100% convinced Free Will exists, or at least not for every 'player'.

Would it be fair to see it as 'background settings' that determine the potential for 'the force' to be either with you, against you or not really caring? Some kind of universal randomisation factor that attempts to maintain balance by distributing the best available 'vibration of energy' that 'it' needs, rather than how 'we' want things to be?

Or is 'it' something else and Astrology is a mapping system to predict your base potential that would probably happen if you made no conscious choices (were 'asleep'), or were seeking to act in harmony with Dharma 'go with the flow' safely. Or indeed being naughty and attempting to manipulate situations to get a favourable outcome for your self or a 'client'.

If so, could Karma / Law of Attraction be seen as some kind of 'signature' you have that allows 'it' to alter your distribution of good/bad in any given experience to guide you away/from your situation allowing 'it' to distribute what 'it' needs where 'it' needs it to be for harmony to ensue?
Not in a personal way but sometimes you need an angel and sometimes you need a devil. Creation/Recreation, no such thing as death/hell etc etc.
Could this be measured or predicted by Astrology?

A little more complicated than I intended but you both inspired me with your similarly different outputs. ^_^

I forget whose quote it is but........."The stars influence, they do not compel". It is also a likely paraphrasing but may prove further assistance to Ulli's eloquent and thorough answer, as well as Carmody's.

That's right, Modwiz, and by not allowing the stars to compel us we excercise free will.

But often their influence seems so strong that one feels like under a spell...yet the choice to NOT act on that impulse is always there...

even when I feel like I'm glued to this old chair I still have the choice to get up and wash the dishes.;)

[Carmody]

*puts his hand up*


[...]Astrology is a whole life mirror, of the most potent and relevant kind, on all levels.
[...]


[...]in the wrong hands this data can be misused,
by one's enemies...[...]

How does this tie in with Free Will? Not that I'm 100% convinced Free Will exists, or at least not for every 'player'.

Would it be fair to see it as 'background settings' that determine the potential for 'the force' to be either with you, against you or not really caring? Some kind of universal randomisation factor that attempts to maintain balance by distributing the best available 'vibration of energy' that 'it' needs, rather than how 'we' want things to be?

Or is 'it' something else and Astrology is a mapping system to predict your base potential that would probably happen if you made no conscious choices (were 'asleep'), or were seeking to act in harmony with Dharma 'go with the flow' safely. Or indeed being naughty and attempting to manipulate situations to get a favourable outcome for your self or a 'client'.

If so, could Karma / Law of Attraction be seen as some kind of 'signature' you have that allows 'it' to alter your distribution of good/bad in any given experience to guide you away/from your situation allowing 'it' to distribute what 'it' needs where 'it' needs it to be for harmony to ensue?
Not in a personal way but sometimes you need an angel and sometimes you need a devil. Creation/Recreation, no such thing as death/hell etc etc.
Could this be measured or predicted by Astrology?

A little more complicated than I intended but you both inspired me with your similarly different outputs. ^_^

if I were to consider you a problem, and I intended to harm you, and if I knew that tomorrow Mars up there in the sky would arrive at a spot from where he could form a right angle to your natal Saturn, and those exact coordinates were known to me, I would know that you would be vulnerable on such a day, and use that moment of your weakness to launch an attack. This is how the combined knowledge of astrology and magic has been used against opponents, and this is why religious leaders want to keep this knowledge under wraps. It's like sending someone out to sea, knowing there is a storm coming, in the hope of getting rid of them. Of course the way the universe is set up, such an act brings with it severe karmic consequences, but evil people don't believe in karma, deluding themselves because some dark entity promised them protection. A purified person would never knowingly abuse this knowledge and be constantly vigilant against the temptation to do so.


A general note...take it for what you wish... or can deal with:

the way they get their protection, is in never returning to the light and re-combining with their oversoul. Basically... being permanently based in the single life they had as a 'human'. That tiny little thing called an ego..fights to stay alone and alive. Giving up eternity for the ego. How foolish can you get. But, hey..the power of honored self choice means you can hang yourself. And some do.

If they have been extremely evil, and they return to the light...they can look forward to having most of what they are being, er, well...turned into something akin to neutralized cosmic dust. Basically, any good parts they may have which are useful to their soul growth, those would be kept. Anything else would be..probably... reduced to a neutral nothing. Difficult lessons must be kept. But pure evil? No -That's not growth.

So yeah, they get what they were promised. Which is less than nothing. That is what one gets for being foolish enough to believe in that reflection of physical desires and fears.

I'm strong enough to pick them up (the lost ones, not the evil), via stepping inside of them (Juxtaposition and overlay in the physical body) and getting the vibration to them that they need..in order to settle down enough ---and return to the light.

[cheez_2806]

Sure no problems! thanks for the link! i think I skipped a little too far down in the reading....sorry~ :)

[Carmody]

*puts his hand up*


[...]Astrology is a whole life mirror, of the most potent and relevant kind, on all levels.
[...]


[...]in the wrong hands this data can be misused,
by one's enemies...[...]

How does this tie in with Free Will? Not that I'm 100% convinced Free Will exists, or at least not for every 'player'.

Would it be fair to see it as 'background settings' that determine the potential for 'the force' to be either with you, against you or not really caring? Some kind of universal randomisation factor that attempts to maintain balance by distributing the best available 'vibration of energy' that 'it' needs, rather than how 'we' want things to be?

Or is 'it' something else and Astrology is a mapping system to predict your base potential that would probably happen if you made no conscious choices (were 'asleep'), or were seeking to act in harmony with Dharma 'go with the flow' safely. Or indeed being naughty and attempting to manipulate situations to get a favourable outcome for your self or a 'client'.

If so, could Karma / Law of Attraction be seen as some kind of 'signature' you have that allows 'it' to alter your distribution of good/bad in any given experience to guide you away/from your situation allowing 'it' to distribute what 'it' needs where 'it' needs it to be for harmony to ensue?
Not in a personal way but sometimes you need an angel and sometimes you need a devil. Creation/Recreation, no such thing as death/hell etc etc.
Could this be measured or predicted by Astrology?

A little more complicated than I intended but you both inspired me with your similarly different outputs. ^_^

if I were to consider you a problem, and I intended to harm you, and if I knew that tomorrow Mars up there in the sky would arrive at a spot from where he could form a right angle to your natal Saturn, and those exact coordinates were known to me, I would know that you would be vulnerable on such a day, and use that moment of your weakness to launch an attack. This is how the combined knowledge of astrology and magic has been used against opponents, and this is why religious leaders want to keep this knowledge under wraps. It's like sending someone out to sea, knowing there is a storm coming, in the hope of getting rid of them. Of course the way the universe is set up, such an act brings with it severe karmic consequences, but evil people don't believe in karma, deluding themselves because some dark entity promised them protection. A purified person would never knowingly abuse this knowledge and be constantly vigilant against the temptation to do so.


A general note...take it for what you wish... or can deal with:

the way they get their protection, is in never returning to the light and re-combining with their oversoul. Basically... being permanently based in the single life they had as a 'human'. That tiny little thing called an ego..fights to stay alone and alive. Giving up eternity for the ego. How foolish can you get. But, hey..the power of honored self choice means you can hang yourself. And some do.

If they have been extremely evil, and they return to the light...they can look forward to having most of what they are being, er, well...turned into something akin to neutralized cosmic dust. Basically, any good parts they may have which are useful to their soul growth, those would be kept. Anything else would be..probably... reduced to a neutral nothing. Difficult lessons must be kept. But pure evil? No -That's not growth.

So yeah, they get what they were promised. Which is less than nothing. That is what one gets for being foolish enough to believe in that reflection of physical desires and fears.

I'm strong enough to pick them up (the lost ones, not the evil), via stepping inside of them (Juxtaposition and overlay in the physical body) and getting the vibration to them that they need..in order to settle down enough ---and return to the light.

been busy lately. I've been waking up shaking like a leaf. After being awake, I mange to stop shaking.

I have a feeling that it is some of those 'difficult deaths', that I'm helping clear, those are almost coming through in the conscious state. I gave up dealing with the the conscious recall of doing such things in about 2004 or so, as it was just....way too much. The only way I can handle it consciously, is I have to be perfectly clear. Ie, down to my bones. No ego. Otherwise, eventually...breakdown is the result.

Point: Quite a few of you (you're on this site, aren't you?) are doing double duty as well. We used to talk about that on this site a bit more often.

For those who do not understand such things, what is it like, as thresholds go? Well..it is a bit like when as a child, you walked into a room and listened to older ones talk. What is that layer of them, that you did not understand? The whole process seemed confusing. For a while.

Then clues began to come in- and the shape of it began to unfold.

When one talks like this, about co-joined dimensionality...eventually someone steps in with similar stories and somehow slips in a note on how tricky it is to talk about such things openly.

At first.... you can feel like that kid, again.

[ulli]

It hurts me to think of you suffering like that, Carmody. Is there no end to this?
I must say, my waking up moments can do with some improvement, too.
If I have everything prepared for the next day, and plans are made, then it's more fun to wake up and start the day...
otherwise there is always some level of anxiety, for no reason that I can discern.


Point: Quite a few of you (you're on this site, aren't you?) are doing double duty as well. We used to talk about that on this site a bit more often.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean here. Which site are you talking about? This thread?

[PurpleLama]

The burden you lift from another is NEVER as heavy for you as it was for the person you lifted it from. There is some cosmic principle in there somewhere. That's not to say what carmody describes isn't extremely vivid*. It's the polarity, the selfless nature of the action that gives it the power that it does. The evil dissolving at a certain point is why evil, STS, service-to-self, is referred to as "the path that is not."

What modwiz said, about influences, sounds very similar to many statements that came from Cayce.

* I tend to use the word "vivid" as a euphemism for intense and painful experience. The point being if you don't have the strength, you can't lift it.

[ulli]

@purple lama and Carmody...reading again your two posts above I do feel like that kid overhearing the adults talk, and beginning to slowly grow in understanding. Thank you so much for sharing what you did.
I have always had compulsions to help others, having four planets in the sixth house, but always worried about the law of no-interference. Yet only now am I becoming conscious of the deeper meaning of such action...when is it ok? Also reminded again of what Inelia said in her interview, being non analytical, not judging...have to learn to get my head and inner control freak out of the way...that job seems endless, but maybe hopefully the "bones" Carmody mentioned are getting nearer.
Anno's question about free will has just been answered for me.

[PurpleLama]

The non-interference clause is nullified when you pass the veil of forgetting in the process of physical incarnation, as in, whatever you were before you are in potential, if you can awaken it. In other words, you paid the price just by coming here in the first place, and through self cultivation you can pull it out here, so as carmody says 'all bets are off.' I realize what I refer to might not be just what you were making reference to.

[Carmody]

It hurts me to think of you suffering like that, Carmody. Is there no end to this?
I must say, my waking up moments can do with some improvement, too.
If I have everything prepared for the next day, and plans are made, then it's more fun to wake up and start the day...
otherwise there is always some level of anxiety, for no reason that I can discern.


Point: Quite a few of you (you're on this site, aren't you?) are doing double duty as well. We used to talk about that on this site a bit more often.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean here. Which site are you talking about? This thread?

We used to talk more about such things. For example 'I pick up and help lost souls in graveyards' as part of a sentence. Stated in a matter of fact kind of way.

This is all connected to astrology, astrology is connected to everything. But then again, everything is connected to everything. Only foolish humans try to herd things into separateness. ego issues, it be.

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The problem being that when we speak on such things..it eventually works it's way into being an unbelievable statement by someone. Where the 'mind'..which is creationist...ventures into confusion, as we are riding the ragged edge of reality and it's literal formation. The body the edifice, the ego, it tends to loose it's footing. It is only a matter of time. Unless the ego is almost entirely sublimated, it drifts into madness. Since most people have their ego's intact and in control, the result is that the masses condemn this sort of level of honesty in communications.

For example, if I banish my ego and sublimate it into a near nothing and walk around naked and open like that..eventually it freaks people out. They can't handle it and try to lay hands on you to 'correct' this seen 'problem'. Bill Hicks made a joke about that. We receive these people into our midst, and then those who attempt to control the masses thank them... by killing them.

Double Duty: Incarnated and doing work concurrently on the Soul level.

Ulli's seen my horoscope.

When I was consciously recalling helping souls get free from difficult deaths..perhaps one of the reasons I could do it, was that for one..I have a fair amount of energy I can reach. Two, that I've lived some interesting lives with difficult deaths and choices, ones I remember. Three, that my Mars...Moon..and Venus are in a very particular alignment. One of near perfect balance. And that they are in Cancer, the great mother. The protector, the one who shelters.

Somewhere near 0.05 degrees of being exactly 1 degree apart, in exactly that spread and pattern.

Mars, the outer world, and Venus the inner world. With the moon, the emotions.. located at the point of balance, dead center. To be in excellent balance, exactly straddling the doorway. So is it no small wonder I can step inside and help people pass, as they die? It's written right into the astrology. As it is in my name. As it is in your given name, I would expect. Names mean something. Thus the meaning of the name, the one I have, in this case: I shelter the door, I protect it and those who approach it, I pull the smoke from the light or the forge and expose the light or fire of the forge.

This pattern, of course, all plays out in the astrology.

That I see no 'angels' (as some are wont to call them), and receive no help -is also interesting. I think that this might be a test of sorts for incarnating humans. After all, at some time, the training wheels must come off. Not all at once but for incarnating humans the training wheels must come off. Sooner or later, Humans will have to be dimensionally aware at all times and live this sort of life, straddled across both 3-d reality and that of a higher awareness. Simultaneously. It makes me scratch my head, all of that ...and my final conclusion is that I might be a crash test dummy for that coming scenario. After all, you can't just turn that sort of thing on in people, that's a recipe for disaster. You need to do some dry runs.

[Calz]

A lot of the OBE material talks about helping "lost souls" along their way.

Somewhat off-topic ... but in another thread it is suggested that "going to the light" after passing may not be the best answer implying that is part and parcel of what binds us to reincarnate here.

Any thoughts?

[Carmody]

A lot of the OBE material talks about helping "lost souls" along their way.

Somewhat off-topic ... but in another thread it is suggested that "going to the light" after passing may not be the best answer implying that is part and parcel of what binds us to reincarnate here.

Any thoughts?

Potentially, that may be paranoia of the ego. It's all up for grabs, with regard to meaning.

One potential option is to completely sublimate your ego and open the mind ----all the way. Then ask yourself that question again.

When I helped McVeigh get out of this, as he was 'programmed'.... when I stepped inside of him while he was lying on that table being injected, and as he stepped into the afterlife and the truth of the matter came to him, the horror of his situation threatened to cause him to be lost into the realms of the nearby spirit world, where time and such is not linear so to speak. So he might create enough energy with his body's (ego) state of 'horror' to cause himself to go into a repeated cycle of running and freaking out. To become a wayward soul. Misshapen, damaged -lost. However, I was inside of him, with him, when he went. So, I calmed him with a big soul wrenching hug of love and peace and he manged to dissolve into the light. And that light, BTW, is bright, all encompassing, it permeates all. And it has a sound like no other.

Thus, you'd have to be able to handle all that and be able to handle the light and the sound of it..without wanting to step into such freedom. To remain behind without such a point of understanding crushing your incarnated spirit.

In the book above, Anson speaks on how it can be difficult for the beginning visionary/spiritualist to be able to be near the light, to be able to see it, without getting freaked out and have the yearning for that freedom...tear one apart.

I'm talking about being inside the horrific death and then being in the light - the energy of it fully permeating your entire being....And then..... back here. Repeatedly.

Then going to a work place and have people asking me 'what's new with you?'. "Oh, not much"..I says. :p

[ulli]

Carmody
So if you are a crash test dummy, at least you can wear a helmet.
I wonder what you would make of Barbados if you were to visit there.
Over the centuries many men, plantation owners as well as their slaves,
have died as alcoholics, rum being freely available,
And it is my firm belief that many are still roaming the island, in fact in huge numbers,
looking for bodies of the living, enciting them into drinking.

Not only have I been amazed at the excesses of the tourists there,
but also the incredible alcoholism of people who live there.
It was in Barbados that I first came to suspect that there was some reality to the idea of possession.
I have witnessed many strange things, seen shadowy beings hovering in tall trees, while totally sober.
Once I decided to go there to live I made a determined effort to stay away from alcohol,
knowing that there was no way to keep moderation.

Barbados' national flag has the trident on it, astrologiacally the symbol for Neptune, lord of the seas, ruler of Pisces and the 12th house, Neptune also rules all liquids, not just water but also oils, spirits, perfumes, and alcohol.

[Carmody]

Carmody
So if you are a crash test dummy, at least you can wear a helmet.
I wonder what you would make of Barbados if you were to visit there.
Over the centuries many men, plantation owners as well as their slaves,
have died as alcoholics, rum being freely available,
And it is my firm belief that many are still roaming the island, in fact in huge numbers,
looking for bodies of the living, enciting them into drinking.

Not only have I been amazed at the excesses of the tourists there,
but also the incredible alcoholism of people who live there.
It was in Barbados that I first came to suspect that there was some reality to the idea of possession.
I have witnessed many strange things, seen shadowy beings hovering in tall trees, while totally sober.
Once I decided to go there to live I made a determined effort to stay away from alcohol,
knowing that there was no way to keep moderation.

Barbados' national flag has the trident on it, astrologiacally the symbol for Neptune, lord of the seas, ruler of Pisces and the 12th house, Neptune also rules all liquids, not just water but also oils, spirits, perfumes, and alcohol.

I just spoke with a priest the other day on this subject. A lot of his work involves being on a Ley line, where the barriers are weaker. (Can you say, England? I knew you could: the UK has a high population and has many ley lines running through it) We both affirmed that possession is far more common that most would have you think.

Not rampant by any means but more common than one in millions, for example. He made a great joke that took me a day to figure out. It was that he had a potential possession he had to deal with the other day. But in the end, it was just a divorce.

[ulli]

I was once assigned to watch a family member while on a binge, and was helpless when he marched straight to a place where the rum bottle had been hidden...
How could he have known?
Then the personality changes as every ten minutes another entity entered him, and leaving him again after he knocked back another drink...in between collapsing on his bed and demanding to be allowed to die...then sitting up, with a new determination ...
I swear the ghosts were standing in line, waiting to get inside him....
That whole island needs excorcising.

[Calz]

I have another "different" type of question since we seem to be having fun musing about things tonight.

Someone whose guidance had suggested to them that the energies of their natal chart were "not meant for them" somehow implying some sort of switch at birth.

:noidea:

Never heard anything even close to that. Anyone else???

I would think only the "higher self" or guidance could answer that one.

[ulli]

I have another "different" type of question since we seem to be having fun musing about things tonight.

Someone whose guidance had suggested to them that the energies of their natal chart were "not meant for them" somehow implying some sort of switch at

Never heard anything even close to that. [B]Anyone else???

I would think only the "higher self" or guidance could answer that one.


Sounds either like a time travel fail, or else the "guidance" was dis-info misguidance.

Yet, I have known some Uranian/aquarians who consistantly managed to be in the wrong p,ace at the wrong time.

If it is for the soul to learn how to appreciate peace and harmony there is no better way than being slightly out of sync.

[Carmody]

here's the beginnings of an explanation on how astrology works.

Matter or the 3d universe is made up of dimensional planes that interact with one another. They interact in a cyclic wave-particle formation kind of way. Not exactly in balance, but slightly asymmetrical, so energy gets injected into this universe of 3d and linear directional time. Thus the inne and outie vortex, the spiraling Fibonacci sequences associated with everything on all levels. Thus the red of the past, red shift..and the blue shift, the color of future. And the combination of the two, the violet moment of the now. The balance point between the two.


The universe has an interference pattern that is fundamental in nature and is superluminal (faster than light, ie the same everywhere, no time). Time and space exist ACROSS structures or particles. It is enshrined within and calculated from their differentials from one another. Thus mass, gravity, volume, etc. Thus this thing in physics about wave particle duality. The primary forms are superluminal. Part of the evidence is that time does not exist in superconductors and they are acting as one single wave. Then you can go in the direction of the superconducting quantum effect on a mass scale of the philosopher's stone. And all that lies in that direction.

Now, lets look at the video and choose a pattern for the overall area of the solar system. One of the more simple patterns that emerge on this plate which has been covered with sand and oscillated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtiSCBXbHAg
(wait until you see the pattern at 1:46!!!)

Now, imagine the solar system overlaid upon the top of that. The backdrop is interference patterns of vibration. Then the planets have their OWN vibration or interaction of/with the all permeating superluminal waves, the ones in the backdrop. As the planets move and vibrate around..they create a secondary pattern. One that is cyclic.

Now, imagine looking at this from the position of the earth--the human observation point.

Since this system exists on fundamentals that are all connected, superluminal, and outside of time..this means this system has a form of predictability and a direct connection with everything and everytime.

The predictability of astrology is due to high levels of observation of people, the world and their actions...as compared to the positions of the planets in the sky. After a while, keen observers noted that patterns emerged. Slowly, they grew these predictions and their accuracy..., from the collected and correlated data. As this was observation of the past and correlation with position of planets which are connected to everything outside of time... then the future and such influences can be predicted -as well.

However it is energetic influence, not specific outcomes that are predicted. Potential can be predicted, not specifics. You are the fish in the stream of this cyclic flow. Like the fish in the stream, It is you, you are it, together but separate. Both in and out of time. You are autonomous, but part of the pattern.

Which is why, when you look inside, to the heart of the balanced system, to it's center, the violet moment of the now.. you gain access to all. The key, the answer, the door..is deep inside. Outside, in ego, in externalization, you'll be chasing answers which will never appear. You will always be in time and in space, never 'balanced'... with the addition of the doorway of the inner world, to this external view. (Now you see where my Mars-Moon-Venus balance point comes into being so dang handy-something, methinks, we are all going to have to learn) This takes you to the stories and ideas on reptilian creation and control of the hind-brain, ego function, circumcision, etc...all being created to block the inner door from being opened. And so on. Ego reflection, or reality? recall that it is externalization, it is not 'looking inside'.

If you clear yourself and Awaken, you can then influence the pattern in a fundamental and knowing way. In awareness, not within the root cyclic bodily or ego driven pattern of the avatar. Unaware, you have innocence.

Aware, you can then involve the self in 'knowing influence'. However... that influence carries consequence.

Our problem seems to be that "elites" are only partially aware and partially awake. They are seemingly not free of ego function but have found the doorway to influence. If the stories of intervention and the like are true, then it is no small wonder that such a 'half wit' is not allowed to pollute the rest of the universe.

[ulli]

Thanks for that video, Carmody.
This is all such fascinating stuff...to me, anyway....
It made me dig up another one I had seen earlier...about chaos theory
have a look:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyisXEqwdJs&playnext=1&list=PLD11E149E60A58F75

[Carmody]

One might say that chaos is the active intelligence in the system. The unpredictable differential.

As Malcolm Muggeridge said: "Only Dead fish swim with the stream"

[ulli]

Yet the most predictable events astrologically are to do with Mars and Uranus interacting.

Right now Mars is in the latter degrees of Gemini, on my natal Uranus,
and many of the other Avalonians who were born in the late fourties are also getting hit by that transit these days.

There is always a reality check when this conjunction occurs...
where one has left certain things undone, at these moments there is a force that puts things to the place
where they should have been if the person had been in tune with cosmic energy waves.

So their lives may look at such a time like a shapeless mess, when in fact it was them, who had made the mess, and events cought up at last when Mars ignited the Uranian dynamite stick...and the chaos is only temporary, readying for the next pattern formation.

By the way, part 5 of this BBC video has some good stuff on mandelbrot fractals.

[Anno]

I just spoke with a priest the other day on this subject. A lot of his work involves being on a Ley line, where the barriers are weaker. (Can you say, England? I knew you could: the UK has a high population and has many ley lines running through it) We both affirmed that possession is far more common that most would have you think.
[...]

That reminds me of the theory about placement of churches to put negative energy in to the ley system and destroying/rearranging ancient stone circles/monuments that were there to balance the energies. I don't drive so I see a lot of what is around me as I waddle around and I've noticed in cities that the homeless here tend to congregate in the small parks surrounding churches clutching their drug of choice. A lot of them look and feel vacant. Is this all related?


I have another "different" type of question since we seem to be having fun musing about things tonight.

Someone whose guidance had suggested to them that the energies of their natal chart were "not meant for them" somehow implying some sort of switch at birth.

:noidea:

Never heard anything even close to that. Anyone else???

I would think only the "higher self" or guidance could answer that one.

I was thinking about something kind of similar. These stories you hear about groups trying to bring in a certain kind of spirit using ritual etc. Could they use Astrology to pin point a spirits entry point then divert it or even kill the child to force the spirit to go elsewhere?

[ulli]

I just spoke with a priest the other day on this subject. A lot of his work involves being on a Ley line, where the barriers are weaker. (Can you say, England? I knew you could: the UK has a high population and has many ley lines running through it) We both affirmed that possession is far more common that most would have you think.
[...]

That reminds me of the theory about placement of churches to put negative energy in to the ley system and destroying/rearranging ancient stone circles/monuments that were there to balance the energies. I don't drive so I see a lot of what is around me as I waddle around and I've noticed in cities that the homeless here tend to congregate in the small parks surrounding churches clutching their drug of choice. A lot of them look and feel vacant. Is this all related?


I have another "different" type of question since we seem to be having fun musing about things tonight.

Someone whose guidance had suggested to them that the energies of their natal chart were "not meant for them" somehow implying some sort of switch at birth.

:noidea:

Never heard anything even close to that. Anyone else???

I would think only the "higher self" or guidance could answer that one.

I was thinking about something kind of similar. These stories you hear about groups trying to bring in a certain kind of spirit using ritual etc. Could they use Astrology to pin point a spirits entry point then divert it or even kill the child to force the spirit to go elsewhere?

Anno.... this is some weird thinking....no offense
but seriously, maybe one could apply it in a positive way...
i.e. wait for a planetary line up,
(preferably one which includes Elenin, or there will be some very unhappy people around, ;))

knowing that some black ops want to use it to detonate an atom bomb
near an underwater trench
and then use the knowledge of same line-up to sabotage their plans

[Anno]

Anno.... this is some weird thinking...[...]

Given a lot of the stories we hear on this forum I take that as a compliment =]

We're dealing with some weird people so trying to figure out what they're up to and putting the peices often leads to some odd areas and ideas.

[Calz]

The possible switch would not have been from earth bound human manipulation.

Kudos for thinking outside the box though :eyebrows:

[ulli]

Well, I suppose this whole thread could be called the club of weird thinkers...

[Carmody]

Speaking of that, I just nailed Roswell and over-unity/anti-gravity/dimensional shifting to the wall...in one fell swoop, over in the lithium thread. I put them all in the same room, and none of them fell down, they reinforced each other, via separate paths. Ie, the literal accepted method of scientific proofing via separate pathways.

We're getting closer...