The scientific discovery of the soul - The implications

[Omni]

This is a very big subject IMO. When we start discovering some of the bigger secrets of the universe, things become more clear, and the false beliefs get shattered(something I love happening). Shattering stereotypes is also something I strive for but that's a different thread altogether...

I would love to see science explain just about everything(if not everything), so false religion is no more, and we can move onto philosophies that are enriching, and wise as the 'thing' 90% of the masses accept. I think the Vatican knew science threatened it's stranglehold over minds centuries ago, and knew it could cure it's subjects of the delusions they obviously have an agenda to keep in humans. No offense if you are catholic, most catholics can agree that the vatican has been a putrid stench of an evil source throughout history, although who knows right now if they are, I don't. Although I do have my suspicions, they seem to have kept their hands pretty clean in terms of public dirt lately...

I first heard of science and religion merging about a decade ago from the wingmakers material. I resonated very strongly with it. Since then I have been told the exact same thing telepathically. Not to mention, it makes sense IMHO.

So, what do you think will be the reaction from the world, if the soul is proven to exist?

I mean, if we conclusively proved, that we are in continuous cycles of living different lives, this renders christianity, judaism, and islam obsolete. Forever dispelling humans of the complete delusion that people go to a hell, an eternity of suffering simply for being born a certain way, or not embracing a false belief system, curing many judgmental things, speaking more towards equality, and so on(many other things I'm sure, feel free to note your thoughts about it in this thread :) I'm very curious).

I look forward to changes like this. To me, I don't think any mystical awakening or ascension is going to wake up all of humanity. That is just my inconclusive perspective. I think external facts, and science, will have a greater effect on society than some magical ascension. Such as global first contact. The scientific discovery of the soul. I do not chalk the awakening going on right now to 'adamantine particles' or undetectable solar waves or anything like that. If I had to guess that is pseudo-science(sorry Darla and David Icke). Feel free to debate me on that point. There is no loss in debating as long as it's not personal...

I credit the internet as the biggest catalyst to humanity waking up at this time, along with possibly other variables such as genetics and evolution, and/or souls getting wiser. Things like that. Things I know exists pretty much. Although I do ponder with an open mind, alternatve theories to my own thoughts on the matter if I have to choose what causes what here in actuality.

I see the scientific discovery of the soul(and thus knowing it's mechanics etc), as one of the biggest events in a civilization's history. I rate it right up there with global first contact. Both have tremendous potential in curing delusions. And tremendous potential in uniting mankind. And tremendous potential in curing us of many internal problems. Both things I long for on this planet. Both things that would make me feel more at home here....

I was told telepathically while writing this that ETs wait until planets have scientifically discovered the soul, as a watermark to do first contact after. In other words it is a big step in being 'responsible' and growing as a race. And after that things really start to kick off in the profound and amazing department... I don't trust what I get told telepathically, to be clear(to new readers of my posts), and I have been told disinfo in the past before. But it did resonate with me that certain things in general are allowed to happen naturally, and after enough triggers of such events happen, then global first contact happens and this makes sense to me.

This opens up whole new thoughts and theories on why so many scientists are killed, to prevent discoveries. And also to add to that, why so many bright minds are kept from the public spectrum, by being hired by the biggest payers and most lucrative situations(knowing top secret and above). Thus they could predict that someone is brilliant enough to figure something out, and hire them to do their work for the gov in black projects, essentially robbing humanity of that persons public contributions... I do wonder about what Einstein figured out that was possibly not shown at all publicly, as he was well involved in the gov, and logic points to him being involved in black projects too(I have not researched it, maybe there is conclusive proof he did).

What do you think about any of this? I look forward to dialogue in this thread. :)

Peace
-Omni

[manny]

i read a article in the newspaper a few years ago.
where this five year old child through himself out of a high rise building.
because he wanted to know about heaven and angles and god.
this was heartbreaking to read ,but it was what he was taught.

now if science proves that we have a soul and we move on after life in this vessel,how many suicides would there be ,people wanting to move on.
is it not better to have faith?

[Omni]

i read a article in the newspaper a few years ago.
where this five year old child through himself out of a high rise building.
because he wanted to know about heaven and angles and god.
this was heartbreaking to read ,but it was what he was taught.

now if science proves that we have a soul and we move on after life in this vessel,how many suicides would there be ,people wanting to move on.
is it not better to have faith?
There are positives and negatives to any big thing that affects society. If we discovered soul cycles, wouldn't death just be a trip into the underworld, and just a resurfacing into the same planetary situation? If we discovered such things, and there was a mass suicide, personally I wouldn't feel bad for those who killed themselves anyway, would they be suffering because of such? Why feel bad for them if they were in an afterlife, then to be reborn? If they value their loved ones enough, they wouldn't suicide... I would only feel bad for their loved ones...

Death is not a horrible thing to me to those that die. Only those that miss that person etc.

[phillipbbg]

With some of the emotional rides I have recently been going through whilst meditating.... the past life thing has become totally normal for me as I have been getting what I call waking moments from actual memories during my other lives.... believe it or not that is up to the reader but when you ask yourself and listen to your intuition you sort of know it already, which means we have to be something other than the physical... so why not call it a soul it it keeps in with the teachings you have grown up with....

The best part is the peaceful knowing that comes with knowledge of one self.

[manny]

then if there is a soul.
that incarnates in different lifetimes or planets .
then is it all not but a massive game.
that our souls are playing?

[phillipbbg]

Threads of light from a single source..... all connected with the free will to explore in any direction of our choice.

[Lifebringer]

Then hold onto your britches and toutube search first contact October 14, 2008. In Jan 20th, during the inauguration, there were UFO's filed by cnn over the White House.
In the 1st contact to every nation in their own tongue, they were told to stop the deceit, and tell the people by the end of 2010. So far every countr but ours has started the disclosure and released all relavent UFo footage, reports. See for yourself.

[manny]

Threads of light from a single source..... all connected with the free will to explore in any direction of our choice.
then you heading into string theory where we will experience everything!

[christian]

I wonder how you could get a hold of the very essence, but you surely can prove it by tracing its effects, the efforts of that already made should be sufficient to scientific standards. Whether it is regressions, OBEs, NDEs, remote viewing, auras and legions of phenomena. So it's virtually proven, people just gotta look at the evidence. And as soon as people in great numbers focus on using all the wonderful applications of their energy, such as aura seeing, telepathy, etc. these things will be as commonplace as talking a walk in the park.

Many great scientist, among them Einstein, who said that god doesn't throw dices, know that there is a spirit world. Newton made a translation of the Emerald Tablet and wanted to keep that secret, because he thought humans were not ready to deal with such things. This is a quote from Max Planck:


As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter.

I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness.

The mass awakening to the fact, that there is indeed a soul and the body is merely a vessel, would make people "work on" their souls, feed their souls, cherish their souls - would make people become more spiritual and open to the all the wondrous things that exist, so it is reasonable for the others to wait for a first contact, till a certain quota of humanity has this understanding.

[christian]

now if science proves that we have a soul and we move on after life in this vessel,how many suicides would there be ,people wanting to move on.
is it not better to have faith?

When you get to a place in your life, is the only thought getting to the next place? And then to the next?

I figure you gotta do something where you are, you are there for a reason. Once your mission is accomplished you will move on naturally.

Lessons cannot be skipped, they have to be repeated till they are completed, so there is no point in trying to shortcut.

[manny]

now if science proves that we have a soul and we move on after life in this vessel,how many suicides would there be ,people wanting to move on.
is it not better to have faith?

When you get to a place in your life, is the only thought getting to the next place? And then to the next?

I figure you gotta do something where you are, you are there for a reason. Once your mission is accomplished you will move on naturally.

Lessons cannot be skipped, they have to be repeated till they are completed, so there is no point in trying to shortcut.
the difference you make in life ,you may not even know you have done it.
but to the other person involved it could be a massive change to their way of life;)
time will tell eventually;)

[grannyfranny100]

Omniverse

Nice thread you started. Unfortunately the ones who kill themselves, as suggested by responders to this thread, wouldn't be the elitists - just the ones suffering because of them. Those who are suffering might avoid suicide if they were aware of Thomas Sheridan's Puzzling People. It is the most honest, down to earth explanation of psychopaths. More people might be able to get out of psychopathic business and personal relationships and keep living. Sheridan recommends just shunning these psychopaths who cause so much misery.

[truthseekerdan]

now if science proves that we have a soul and we move on after life in this vessel,how many suicides would there be ,people wanting to move on.
is it not better to have faith?

Suicide will get one right back in 'the game', and in a 'worse scenario'. One agrees to finish its 'mission' before incarnating in the physical -- so breaking that wont work towards spiritual learning progress...

[manny]

Omniverse

Nice thread you started. Unfortunately the ones who kill themselves, as suggested by responders to this thread, wouldn't be the elitists - just the ones suffering because of them. Those who are suffering might avoid suicide if they were aware of Thomas Sheridan's Puzzling People. It is the most honest, down to earth explanation of psychopaths. More people might be able to get out of psychopathic business and personal relationships and keep living. Sheridan recommends just shunning these psychopaths who cause so much misery.
lmao to shun people irrespective of their abnormality is to think yourself as a better and higher person.
if everyone was to shun those that they do not agree with then the psychopaths would be running free.
to love unconditionally is the way to feed the the soul and to help others who are more unfortunate than yourself.

who is a true psychopath you ,me are the polititions who send our brainwashed teenagers out to kill a false enemy for their own goals.
then we call them heroes.

now whos the ****ing psychopath........


to shun...please explain

[Billy]

I have always looked foreward to the day that science discovers that all of creation Is created from light.

Great thread The One, I look forward to everyones perpective

Bless you all,

EDIT:
Just caught up, Can i ask what this thread has to do with death and suicide. I thought The One was expressing eternity and life. perception Lol

[christian]

the difference you make in life ,you may not even know you have done it.
but to the other person involved it could be a massive change to their way of life;)
time will tell eventually;)

Time will tell eventually.

That reminds me of the line in the Matrix movie, when the Oracle tells Neo: "No one can tell you, if you are the chosen one. You have to know, like when you're in love, you feel it."

[manny]

is it not a personal experience for every individual

[truthseekerdan]

is it not a personal experience for every individual

And for everyone as a whole.

[christian]

lmao to shun people irrespective of their abnormality is to think yourself as a better and higher person.
if everyone was to shun those that they do not agree with then the psychopaths would be running free.
to love unconditionally is the way to feed the the soul and to help others who are more unfortunate than yourself.

who is a true psychopath you ,me are the polititions who send our brainwashed teenagers out to kill a false enemy for their own goals.
then we call them heroes.

now whos the ****ing psychopath........


to shun...please explain

We obviously both agree on having absolute love as the foundation of our deeds.

Sometimes you cannot really contribute to somebody's growth via communating or interacting with him directly, I figure. People who just act destructive, no matter what. So if you shun them, giving them the opportunity to work out their issues and protecting yourself from them, it's a win-win situation. Isn't it possible to shun someone based on absolute love?

It's like - people of the world, just don't listen to the orders of puppet politicians, don't play their games. As David Icke puts it, we are the foundation of the pyramid, if we stop supporting the system (shunning it) it falls apart. Why couldn't this be done with individuals as well?


is it not a personal experience for every individual

Well, of course?!

[manny]

lmao to shun people irrespective of their abnormality is to think yourself as a better and higher person.
if everyone was to shun those that they do not agree with then the psychopaths would be running free.
to love unconditionally is the way to feed the the soul and to help others who are more unfortunate than yourself.

who is a true psychopath you ,me are the polititions who send our brainwashed teenagers out to kill a false enemy for their own goals.
then we call them heroes.

now whos the ****ing psychopath........


to shun...please explain

We obviously both agree on having absolute love as the foundation of our deeds.

Sometimes you cannot really contribute to somebody's growth via communating or interacting with him directly, I figure. People who just act destructive, no matter what. So if you shun them, giving them the opportunity to work out their issues and protecting yourself from them, it's a win-win situation. Isn't it possible to shun someone based on absolute love?

It's like - people of the world, just don't listen to the orders of puppet politicians, don't play their games. As David Icke puts it, we are the foundation of the pyramid, if we stop supporting the system (shunning it) it falls apart. Why couldn't this be done with individuals as well?


is it not a personal experience for every individual

Well, of course?!
thank you ,you just opened a whole new perspective.

[Carmen]

Great thread Omniverse. As a child I wanted to somehow marry up creationism and evolution. It didnt make sense to me that these two ideas/beliefs were so separate, yet I also felt that both were true, somehow! As I started waking up I was absolutely delighted to realize the truth of both through quantum physics. The spiritual learning for me has been like a giant jigsaw puzzle as big as a house that I am gradually putting together the pieces of. Fascinating journey, fascinating learning. I think leading edge scientists understand the soul well. Its just that those in power at the moment are still traditionalists, but that too shall pass!! I have heard it said that science progresses one dead scientist at a time!! Nothing nasty about that, its just that as the old guard passes on the new young guns can bring forth there heretical knowledge

[Billy]

I commented about the soul in a previous thread. I hope this is not off topic.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread&p=211884#post211884

[Davy]

Here is a thought or felling I have had for a while now. Ok, what are the odds in the scheme of eternity or forever that you and I are experiencing life or something right now if we have not alwaysexperienced something. We just don't remember those things that happened before we entered the body that we currently reside in. We have always been and will alaways be??!

[Lisab]

We cant find out whats 'out there'until we find out whats 'in here' x