Water: What everyone Needs To Know What Your Drinking!

[WhiteFeather]

Synchronistically yesterday while working i ran into a person whom i first met and had great knowledge with respect to the water that we drink on a daily basis. She explained to me that most of the bottled water and tap waters that we drink are very low in PH or thus acidic and poison. Which causes the body to have an acidic body instead of a normal PH body, Why i state this is that if our body has a normal PH level many diseases and cancers simply cannot grow in a balanced PH body. I told her that i drink Poland spring water at least 2 liters a day, she stated that poland spring and many other waters have a high acid level in them and to stop drinking it for it is worse than drinking soda, and it is actually poisoning and reducing your Ph levels. I know this resonated with me, because in one of my posts here on the forum i threaded (that if we have a normal Ph level cancer cannot grow). Heres The link http://www.b17.com.au/copy.asp?sect=q3&page=ph and this site is simply Fantastic to say the least. Anyways i had asked her what she thought was a good water, she stated that she uses a water called Kangen- which means in Japan Return to original.... i asked her where i could purchase it, she said you use a filtration system and its not cheap but she stated that many people whom have had diseases such as Loopis, Diabetes, Carpell Tunnel Syndrome(sorry if i spelled this wrong), muscle aches, joint aches and other illness have been cured by this type of alkalized ionized water just by drinking it, fantastic to say the least. I am presenting this thread to the forum as a Think Tank if you will. Let me know what research you come up with if so, and see if this resonates with you. I believe we are being poisoned by many of these major water companies Poland Spring, Disani etc etc... and we have to simply change our water to become healthier and disease free. I just hope many people can get alot from this thread as i have. I will be looking to purchase a Kangen water filtration system possibly in the near future, but again she stated it can be very expensive, not sure of prices yet. I just wanted to get this out to everyone, and hope you could get something off this post. If anyone else has prior knowledge of this, please contribute it would be much appreciated to everyone im sure of it.

In Light ~Whitefeather~


Bottled Water PH Chart:
http://www.fit4maui.com/water/pu/bottled_ph.html
Kangen
http://kangen.net/
Other Kangen Site:
http://www.water-rx.com/kangen-water.html

[nearing]

Apple Cider Vinegar is very acidic but is said to alkalize the body. Remember that the stomach itself contains the highest lowest pH acid known to biology (HCL). I think that water pH really doesn't matter much.

My professional opinion is that what you put in your stomach doesn't matter much but if you were to bypass the stomach and go directly into a vein, then the pH would matter.

I have been drinking distiller water (pure H2O) for a decade. BTW, we don't get our minerals from water, but from the food we eat. ;)

[WhiteFeather]

Most bottled waters are highly acidic as is most delivered 'office cooler' water which is either purified water or Reverse Osmosis water. Remember, our body needs to maintain a pH balance of 6.8 to 7.4. Anything we ingest that is below that means our bodies have to work that much harder an/or borrow calcium from our bones to help balance our pH.

[nearing]

None of those waters are as acidic as the acid already in your stomach. Or even some orange juice.

If you are worried about getting any of those diseases mentioned in the OP, have your mercury amalgams removed, eat only organic foods, get rest and meditate.

Just drink distilled water. Countertop distillers pay for themselves quickly if you normally buy bottled water. ($150-400).

[Isthatso]

Also you can purchase PH test strips where you can check your ph level. Then you can experiment on water and food to see how best to maintain the correct level.

Taking 1 tsp of baking soda (bicarbonate of soda) in a glass of water daily also reduces acidity. Apple cider vinegar has many health benefits, particularly when taken with honey.

Warm wishes...

[nearing]

Oh and if you are worried about keeping the calcium in your bones - be sure to take more magnesium a day than calcium. Magnesium keeps the calcium where is should be and away from the places you don't want it (kidneys, arteries, gallbladder, brain).

[Carmen]

Water in plastic bottles is not advisable. Takes on the poisons from the plastic. Victor Schelburger (wrong spelling but correct sound!) book "Living Energies" is a fantastic book on water as well as other elements of nature.

[Flash]

Whitefeather,
Thanks for bringning the awareness about alkaline waters. Those are good for health obviously.

However, the Kagen water site you refer to is own by Enagic, which is a multi-level companies selling through the pyramid like structure. My ear buzzed when I checked the site and could not come out with any, but any pricing. This always smell fishy to me, unless you are a consultant company pricing on services to be tailormade, which is not the case for a product at all.

Your contact must have been in that multilevel company or undertaking.

Therefore I went further and came up with a comparative analysis here, Kaygen water myths and facts.

http://www.costpluswater.com/catalog/articles.php?tPath=25


Myth Five: Kangen* or Enagic ionizers cost more because they are better.
The Jupiter Orion and the LIFE 5000 are priced between $1495 & $1895 and offer some important user friendly features that are missing with the Enagic. Certain alkaline water ionizers are better and stronger than others and the Enagic range are decent models, but when you have a MLM company that pays eight levels down you have to create an artificially high price because Enagic and up to eight representatives need to make money from every single sale.


The article mentioned above is from a competitor, so shop aroung before buying.

There is other systems that are not sold by multilevel companies that may do the job as well. What they are saying is that Enagic over sell, by claiming "facts" that are true for all other companies, and some that are borderline true.

This does not take off the fact that alkaline waters are good for you.

[nomadguy]

The only issue I see with drinking distilled water is that it leeches minerals from your body over time.

[nearing]

The only issue I see with drinking distilled water is that it leeches minerals from your body over time.

that is a an old wives tale. There is no physiological way for that to happen. :-)

[Calz]

Best way I have come across to go alkaline is referred to as the "master cleanser lemonaide diet". This goes beyond water but ties in with the discussion here.

Amounts to a specific type of fast lasting anywhere from a few days up to a month. I have gone a couple weeks several times. Lots of information out there ... here is one site:


http://www.thelemonadediet.com/services.html

[Carmen]

I would steer well away from drinking only distilled water. Victor Schelburger explains it very well in his book "Living Energies" Water is something that grows and matures naturally. Distilled water is baby water and it will leach minerals from your body, to grow itself. I really recommend the book. There is much to learn about water and its properties and aliveness. Some old wives tales are wise not just tales!

[WhiteFeather]

Whitefeather,
Thanks for bringning the awareness about alkaline waters. Those are good for health obviously.

However, the Kagen water site you refer to is own by Enagic, which is a multi-level companies selling through the pyramid like structure. My ear buzzed when I checked the site and could not come out with any, but any pricing. This always smell fishy to me, unless you are a consultant company pricing on services to be tailormade, which is not the case for a product at all.

Your contact must have been in that multilevel company or undertaking.

Therefore I went further and came up with a comparative analysis here, Kaygen water myths and facts.

http://www.costpluswater.com/catalog/articles.php?tPath=25

[QUOTE]Myth Five: Kangen* or Enagic ionizers cost more because they are better.
The Jupiter Orion and the LIFE 5000 are priced between $1495 & $1895 and offer some important user friendly features that are missing with the Enagic. Certain alkaline water ionizers are better and stronger than others and the Enagic range are decent models, but when you have a MLM company that pays eight levels down you have to create an artificially high price because Enagic and up to eight representatives need to make money from every single sale.


The article mentioned above is from a competitor, so shop aroung before buying.

There is other systems that are not sold by multilevel companies that may do the job as well. What they are saying is that Enagic over sell, by claiming "facts" that are true for all other companies, and some that are borderline true.

This does not take off the fact that alkaline waters are good for you.[/QUOTE
Thanks Flash and everyone that commented, i am going to check out my health store and see what type of water they sell as well. The place i go to is pretty knowledgeable with many things and fair in price. The girl i ran into that informed me of the water thingy stated that the alkalized/ionized water is much healthier for you, im going to ask my health food store, see what they say. Water is sacred. Much love/thanks to All that responded.

[kevlor]

your on the right track - whitefeather - ph level of your body is all important. a huge number, if not all, the natural cures all relate to the bodys ph level. like MMS for instance, bi-carb of soda, apple cider vinegar, etc.

another related subject is - the memory of water -
also to be considered - magnetic water -
not to mention - volume of daily intake -

before i spent big money on a water filter, i would first chase more information about the real benefits of quality water to your body, you wont get this information from a company selling a product. its more a learning experience if you are that way inclined. best of luck ... kev

[WhiteFeather]

Thanks for a great response all. I am going to check out my local health food store and see if they sell ionized/alkalized water. Again i appreciate this response. Water is sacred to say the least. Much Love and Thanks.

[nearing]

I infuse my PURE H2O with energy myself.

It cannot leach minerals from your body. This isn't my opinion. I am a medical professional with knowledge of human physiology.

If anyone has some research papers proving distilled water (pure water) to actually be bad for you, please inform all of us with a link.

And if you just cannot believe that it won't leach minerals, place a few drops of liquid minerals in your distilled water to put your mind at ease.

Again, I reiterate - very acidic liquids and foods are said to alkalize the body (vinegar, greens, etc) - this makes sense to me as the body is always pushing to be in equilibrium. If you introduce acid to the body it produces base to counteract. So by this thinking, if you introduce a base (alkaline water or baking soda, etc), the body will actually counter it with producing acid.

The body wants to be neutral at baseline so keep this in mind when thinking of buying something that you think will keep you at one end over other.

[13th Warrior]

I infuse my PURE H2O with energy myself.

It cannot leach minerals from your body. This isn't my opinion. I am a medical professional with knowledge of human physiology.

If anyone has some research papers proving distilled water (pure water) to actually be bad for you, please inform all of us with a link.

And if you just cannot believe that it won't leach minerals, place a few drops of liquid minerals in your distilled water to put your mind at ease.

Again, I reiterate - very acidic liquids and foods are said to alkalize the body (vinegar, greens, etc) - this makes sense to me as the body is always pushing to be in equilibrium. If you introduce acid to the body it produces base to counteract. So by this thinking, if you introduce a base (alkaline water or baking soda, etc), the body will actually counter it with producing acid.

The body wants to be neutral at baseline so keep this in mind when thinking of buying something that you think will keep you at one end over other.

nearing,

Why is demineralized water more corrosive requiring special faucets and fittings?

[nearing]

Hi 13th Warrior. I have not heard that but I am not a plumber either. I would gave to ask what kind if pipes it us in and what kind of chemicals and minerals are in said corrosive water. Surely, you are not talking about distilled.

But I wouldn't presume to compare a building's plumbing with a living body either. ;)

[13th Warrior]

Hi 13th Warrior. I have not heard that but I am not a plumber either. I would gave to ask what kind if pipes it us in and what kind of chemicals and minerals are in said corrosive water. Surely, you are not talking about distilled.

But I wouldn't presume to compare a building's plumbing with a living body either. ;)

I came across a study some 6 years ago and cannot find the exact one for the moment.

The same material i've read repeats the same information that distilled water is good to drink if you are doing a dextox/cleans of the body but, should not be consumed for more than 1 month period. People who consumed distilled water were found to be mineral deficient even with suplimentation.

Here are a couple quick links:

This one from a doctor

http://glowing-health.com/water-and-hydration/distilled-water-dangers.html


This one from the World Health Organization

http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/dwq/nutdemineralized.pdf

[nomadguy]

heh heh heh, how do "old wives" get old?

[nearing]

Hi 13th Warrior. I have not heard that but I am not a plumber either. I would gave to ask what kind if pipes it us in and what kind of chemicals and minerals are in said corrosive water. Surely, you are not talking about distilled.

But I wouldn't presume to compare a building's plumbing with a living body either. ;)

I came across a study some 6 years ago and cannot find the exact one for the moment.

The same material i've read repeats the same information that distilled water is good to drink if you are doing a dextox/cleans of the body but, should not be consumed for more than 1 month period. People who consumed distilled water were found to be mineral deficient even with suplimentation.

Here are a couple quick links:

This one from a doctor

http://glowing-health.com/water-and-hydration/distilled-water-dangers.html


This one from the World Health Organization

http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/dwq/nutdemineralized.pdf

I will preface this with the fact that I am at work now and cannot give as much time to this as I'd prefer.

At first blush, the WHO article is old and even states it is not for citation, as well it shouldn't be as it only speaks of 'may be's nothing definitive is written there that I can see. Also, they extoll the use of fluoride in water, which should be clear to any thinking person that is bunk.

The one from the doc was troubling right from the get go - he says that RO water is the same as distilled water. Blatantly false. It seems he was hired to write an opinion piece for these water filter manufacturers.

I'd like to see real research. Studies published in peer reviewed journals.

Again, anyone worried about this issue at all can put a drop of liquid minerals in their pure distilled water and know they are drinking the best that nature can offer with none of the contaminants of modern industry.

:cheer2:

[nomadguy]

some old wives tales for ya -
http://www.snyderhealth.com/water_ionizers/distilled_and_reverse_osmosis_water.html
http://www.jigsawhealth.com/resources/magnesium-mineral-deficiency - "Fluoridated, softened, and distilled water depletes magnesium." -
http://yourorganicgardeningblog.com/who-says-distilled-water-is-safe-to-drink/

I am still researching this and have not made up my mind as of yet. However I think that spring water is the best choice by far.

[13th Warrior]

The one from the doc was troubling right from the get go - he says that RO water is the same as distilled water. Blatantly false. It seems he was hired to write an opinion piece for these water filter manufacturers.



Can you outline for me how they are different?

[conk]

The only issue I see with drinking distilled water is that it leeches minerals from your body over time.
Not true. Not true. Not true. Not true. Not true. Oh yeah, not true. Jeebus, will this old myth ever die?

RO water is filtered water and thusly cannot eliminate every conceivable compound. Distilled water is evaporated and contains nothing but water. RO is good water, just different from distilled.

[nearing]

Thanks Conk.

There is no peer reviewed controlled study showing distilled is anything but good for you. Opinions do not count, especially opinions stated on sites that sell RO filters or other bottled waters.

[13th Warrior]

Thanks Conk.

There is no peer reviewed controlled study showing distilled is anything but good for you. Opinions do not count, especially opinions stated on sites that sell RO filters or other bottled waters.

VS

Those selling distilled water...

[nearing]

Thanks Conk.

There is no peer reviewed controlled study showing distilled is anything but good for you. Opinions do not count, especially opinions stated on sites that sell RO filters or other bottled waters.

VS

Those selling distilled water...

find me ANY peer reviewed controlled studies from any medical journal stating RO or distilled is bad for your body.

Key words: peer reviewed controlled study

[conk]

The only issue I see with drinking distilled water is that it leeches minerals from your body over time.
Not true. Not true. Not true. Not true. Not true. Oh yeah, not true. Jeebus, will this old myth ever die?

RO water is filtered water and thusly cannot eliminate every conceivable compound. Distilled water is evaporated and contains nothing but water. RO is good water, just different from distilled.

Sorry, upon re-reading, my post has a smartazz ring to it. Not intended.

Is not distilled water the same as rain water? Is rain water harmful if consumed? Surely not. The ground/Earth likely does impart some energy and life to water as it meaders and flows, but I do not think rain water collected in a barrel would be harmful. As Nearing said, simple add minerals. Or a small amount of real sea salt or a few grains of rice.

We can add energy to treated water by storing it in an oval shaped glass or clay vessel, and stirring it briskly causing a vortex. Use a wooden spoon to stir and let it stop swirling of it's own accord. There is a way to energize it using magnets, but I've forgotten the 'recipe'.

[13th Warrior]

Thanks Conk.

There is no peer reviewed controlled study showing distilled is anything but good for you. Opinions do not count, especially opinions stated on sites that sell RO filters or other bottled waters.

VS

those selling distilled water...

find me ANY peer reviewed controlled studies from any medical journal stating RO or distilled is bad for your body.

Key words: peer reviewed controlled study


find me ANY peer reviewed controlled studies from any medical journal stating RO or distilled is good for your body.

Key words: peer reviewed controlled study

[nearing]

Thanks Conk.

There is no peer reviewed controlled study showing distilled is anything but good for you. Opinions do not count, especially opinions stated on sites that sell RO filters or other bottled waters.

VS

those selling distilled water...

find me ANY peer reviewed controlled studies from any medical journal stating RO or distilled is bad for your body.

Key words: peer reviewed controlled study


find me ANY peer reviewed controlled studies from any medical journal stating RO or distilled is good for your body.

Key words: peer reviewed controlled study

Let's see how long you can go without H2O, which is what distilled water is and as conk pointed out rain water too. (the study of this would be unethical, obviously)

[13th Warrior]

Thanks Conk.

There is no peer reviewed controlled study showing distilled is anything but good for you. Opinions do not count, especially opinions stated on sites that sell RO filters or other bottled waters.

VS

those selling distilled water...

find me ANY peer reviewed controlled studies from any medical journal stating RO or distilled is bad for your body.

Key words: peer reviewed controlled study


find me ANY peer reviewed controlled studies from any medical journal stating RO or distilled is good for your body.

Key words: peer reviewed controlled study

Let's see how long you can go without H2O, which is what distilled water is and as conk pointed out rain water too. (the study of this would be unethical, obviously)

Rain, distilled and RO do not stay pure for long; they will imediately start to accumulate compounds from the environment; air pollution, BPA from plastic etcetera...

Water is the universal solvent made more potent by purity.

Look, i'm not saying not to drink H2O; I'm saying people might want to reconsider why/how much distilled or RO water they may be consuming. You will only accept certain peer reviewed facts to the contray of what you believe; beliefs based upon none of the former...this is by definition hypocracy.

I have nothing further to contribute to this debate.

[nearing]

not sure why there is a debate at all. :hippie: our bodies need water they don't need environmental contaminants. RO and rain gets you almost to pure, and distilled IS pure.

I don't know of any studies proving distilled 'leaches' anything from the body, nor do I know of any anecdotal evidence. I know many, many people who drink both rain and distilled (sometimes distilled rain) and have for decades and are healthy.

All I have seen to the contrary is opinion without even anecdotal evidence, let alone real research.

Have a good day!

[Carmen]

Has anyone ever asked the Water? After all it is a living thing. It is the blood of the earth. Victor Schauberger did. He sat with it and 'became' it to know its properties. The "experts" in his day all ignored his knowledge and advice and proceeded to use and abuse the earth and water to the point of its utter destruction!!!!

One does not learn best from Universities and such. One learns best by getting out in nature and being with it. Observing it. It reveals its secrets to those of patience and sincerity. Those who are not full up with there own knowledge and assumptions!!

Thank you for this thread, it has prompted me to reread Schaubergers books and study the subject in more depth.

[Calz]

Let us not forget the fine work of Masaru Emoto with his work on water.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masaru_Emoto
http://www.hado.com.au/masaruemoto.htm

Len Horowitz had been doing years of amazing research as well (although it would seem he may have been "compromised" recently by the "bad boys").

http://www.drlenhorowitz.com/evolve_interview.html

Bottom line ... there are some things we can do with water to improve it regardless of source. Yes best to get the best quality possible as a starting point.

[WhiteFeather]

I will reiterate about distilled water as it contains nitrates here in NY after being distilled for several days, i would not drink distilled water here in NY. *Reason how i know is this, I have a 55 gallon fish tank in which i raise an Oscar fish (his name is Skippy and yes he is a Red Oscar LoL ) whom is aproximatey 14 inches in length, raising such a huge fish as an Oscar requires constant water changes, around 25 gallons a week. So what i did was put several 5 gallon water bottles filled with tap water and let stand for several days thus to distill it and add to my tank. When i tested the distilled tap water, i accidentally noticed the Nitrates were extremely high. Needless to say i would not drink distilled water here in NY. And they say the water comes from the Catskill mountains from upstate NY which is fine, but loaded with garbage when its sent and piped into to our homes for consumption. I do use tap water for Skippy but use a water treatment known as Prime which removes chloramines metals etc. from the tap... Hope this helps and keep this thread alive. Thanks all for the great info you have provided for me and many others that are viewing this Thread.
~WATER IS TRULY SACRED~

[Virgo]

I happened to drive through Poland, Maine yesterday on my way to bring my son to Jr. Maine Guide camp at Bryant Pond. We drove right by the Poland Spring Water facilities, may be their HQ's? I believe they've been bought out my Nestle years back? We have a reverse-osmosis filter system for our drinking water. Mainly to filter out the Uranium in the water. Well is 400' foot deep in bedrock.

We still buy Poland Spring Water types in plastic bottles for convenience I guess. I can understand why plastic may not be the best for the possibility of leeching chemicals. My kids have aluminum hiking type water bottles. I'm sure glass is the best container for water, but can anybody recommend the best way to store water on the go. I don’t think glass bottles would last long around the kids.

[nearing]

I will reiterate about distilled water as it contains nitrates here in NY after being distilled for several days, i would not drink distilled water here in NY. *Reason how i know is this, I have a 55 gallon fish tank in which i raise an Oscar fish (his name is Skippy and yes he is a Red Oscar LoL ) whom is aproximatey 14 inches in length, raising such a huge fish as an Oscar requires constant water changes, around 25 gallons a week. So what i did was put several 5 gallon water bottles filled with tap water and let stand for several days thus to distill it and add to my tank. When i tested the distilled tap water, i accidentally noticed the Nitrates were extremely high. Needless to say i would not drink distilled water here in NY. And they say the water comes from the Catskill mountains from upstate NY which is fine, but loaded with garbage when its sent and piped into to our homes for consumption. I do use tap water for Skippy but use a water treatment known as Prime which removes chloramines metals etc. from the tap... Hope this helps and keep this thread alive. Thanks all for the great info you have provided for me and many others that are viewing this Thread.
~WATER IS TRULY SACRED~
Letting water sit for 5 days in an open container will let the chlorine dissipate but it will not distill it. You must boil the water, capture the steam and then let the steam cool back into water. THEN you will have pure H2O without contaminants including nitrates.

[nomadguy]

sorry Conk, not buying it(no offense).
There is a huge difference between rain water and distilled (dead) water.

I received this information from a doctor whom was prescribing distilled water to a close relative, with the distilled water the doctor also prescribed
>>> magnesium, and they were only to drink distilled water for a time to rid of certain minerals that were built up in their body.
You see, the distilled water was attracting the minerals from cells in their body. Most of all certain organs.
However if you do not have excess amounts of mineral in your body the Distilled water can begin to take from your body, the minerals you need regularly... Like magnesium. These are the same minerals the patient was trying to balance as the levels of these minerals(mercury and copper in this case), were to high.
Also the doctor mentioned that when your body is low in magnesium you cannot process other vitamins an minerals, so you can become mineral deficient in general. This can become a sort of syndrome and it is really not good. Regular low energy, occasional toxic shock, migraines, not an enjoyable state of being for anyone.
In particular > being magnesium deficient can cause your body to have trouble processing Vitamin D, an essential for your health.
ref - http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/magnesium-deficiency-reduces-effectiveness-of-vitamin-d-in-the-prevention-of-disease-according-to-magnesium-expert-dr-carolyn-dean-md-nd/

Also I DO NOT think that rain water is generally safe. That depends on a great deal of factors. IE the air in your environment, and you might as well include things like chemtrails. As it is well known that water droplets form around small particulates in the atmosphere. Those particulates can also be toxic particles that can make rain water not-so-good.

I lean towards Masaru Emoto's studies ~ water is sacred and it carries imprints from its history.
Also, I think that beyond all of our current knowledge is the information that water is fractal, and that this shape is representative of the electron bond that determines what state water is in and what it attracts or is attracted to.

[nearing]

I happened to drive through Poland, Maine yesterday on my way to bring my son to Jr. Maine Guide camp at Bryant Pond. We drove right by the Poland Spring Water facilities, may be their HQ's? I believe they've been bought out my Nestle years back? We have a reverse-osmosis filter system for our drinking water. Mainly to filter out the Uranium in the water. Well is 400' foot deep in bedrock.

We still buy Poland Spring Water types in plastic bottles for convenience I guess. I can understand why plastic may not be the best for the possibility of leeching chemicals. My kids have aluminum hiking type water bottles. I'm sure glass is the best container for water, but can anybody recommend the best way to store water on the go. I don’t think glass bottles would last long around the kids.

Stainless steel would be my choice after glass. :-)

[nearing]

For those fond of Doctor's opinions:


"Distilled water is the greatest solvent on earth. (It is) the only water that can be taken into the body without damage to the tissues.  What we as scientists and the public have never realized is that minerals collected in the body from water are all inorganic minerals, which cannot be assimilated (digested) by the body. The only minerals that the body can utilize are the organic minerals (from fruits and vegetables). All other types of minerals are foreign substances to the body and must be disposed of or eliminated.  Today, many progressive doctors prescribe distilled water to their patients. All kidney machines operate on distilled water." - Allen E. Banik, M.D. Author, "The Choice is Clear"
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"Distilled water should be used if the usual water supply (tap or bottled) contains more than 20 mg. of sodium per liter."   American Heart Association(1986)
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"When distilled water enters the body, it leaves no residue of any kind. It is free of salts and sodium. It is the most perfect water for the healthy functioning of the kidneys(83% water). It is the perfect liquid for the blood (83% water), the ideal liquid for the efficient functioning of the lungs (86% water), stomach, liver (85% water) and other vital organs. Why? Because it is free of all inorganic minerals. It is so pure that all liquid drug prescriptions are formulated with distilled water.  Dr. Paul Bragg, N.D. Ph.T., from his book: "The Shocking Truth About Water
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"Water Hardness" is the underlying cause of many, if not all, of the diseases resulting from poisons in the intestinal tract.  These (hard minerals) pass from the intestinal walls and get into the lymphatic system, which delivers all of it's products to the blood, which in turn, distributes to all parts of the body. This is the cause of much human disease.  Dr. Charles Mayo (Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minnesota)
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"The greatest damage done by inorganic minerals (hard)---plus waxy cholesterol and salt---is to the small arteries and other blood vessels of the brain (75% water). Hardening of the arteries and calcification of blood vessels starts on the day you start taking inorganic chemicals (and minerals from tap water) into our bodies."  Dr. Paul Bragg, N.D. Ph.T., from his book: "The Shocking Truth About Water"
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"The body's need for minerals is largely met through foods, not drinking water."     -  American Medical Journal
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"The best system to purify water is quality distillation, which boils the water into steam to kill organisms and also remove impurities"  -  The Great Book of Health Secrets: 1991 Boardroom Reports Inc
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"Distilled water is the purest form available. Distilled water helps to excrete excessive heavy metals from the body."
Who Killed Candida?; 1991 Vicki Glassburn
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"These is only one water that is clean, steam distilled water.  No other substance on our planet does so much to keep us healthy and get us well as water does."
Dietary Wellness; 1993 Dr. James Balch, M.D.

[WhiteFeather]

Nearing, your winning us over. Knowledge is power. Great Threads my friend. Great threads!

[nomadguy]

very informative Nearing and White Feather. Good stuff!

[Connecting with Sauce]

There is an amazing thread at AV1 about this people should check out...

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7340

Also a guy called Professor Ron Cusson duscusses energising water with a volixer which has had magnet pairs added to it to energise it! worth researching some of his interviews on www.oneradionetwork.com

[Dawn]

Here are several bits of information for this thread
1. I have a histamine reaction to most bottled waters, but especially Dasani and Aquafina. I couldn't figure out why until I ran into an article from a reliable source that disclosed that water companies often add acetone to the bottled water, which they are not required to state on their labels. The same is true of bottled wines and juices, which I am highly alergic to. The only bottled waters I have found that I am not allergic to are Fiji and Icelandic waters... so if you are without the ability to treat your water on the road these may be 'safe'

2. I own a Kangen machine... and I can tell you unequivocally that the models such as Jupiter and so on are NOT good... and are in fact dangerous. The reason is that the cheaper products spray coat platinum on their plates (unlike the Kangen machine which has dipped plates with a thick coating of platinum). The problem is that these very thin coatings wear off within 2-4 years and the underlying titanium plate interior, which is electrified, creates toxic water. A number of people have been hospitalized from drinking water made with inexpensive machines of this type where the platinum wore off. One person even died from this issue. About my Kangen, it really worked to change some health issues I had, however I am not using it where I live as the natural tap water is very alkaline and the machine doesn't seem to be able to do much with the water here.

3. I moved here a year ago and found the water to be the 'driest' water I have ever experienced. I have resolved this after some experimentation. Let me first explain what I am talking about. When I water my garden with the city water it does not soak into the ground for as much as 2-3 hours! Really, it just sits on top of the ground, even though the soil is filled with organic compost and very soft and friable. I had never seen anything like this before in my 60 years of gardening! The solution? After thorough research I purchased donut shaped grade 8 ceramic magnets with one flat face as NORTH and the other flat face as SOUTH. I threaded the hose through the magnet with the water coming IN through the NORTH and OUT through the SOUTH. The magnets cannot be strong neodymium ... they must be the weaker grade 8 ceramic magnets in order to structure the water properly. As soon as the magnets were placed around the water hose... VOILA... wetter water. And, my garden plants had shown signs of stress in the form of yellow leaves immediately became healthy. Of course I treat my drinking water in the same way as well.

4. Are you aware of vortexing your water? This simple procedure has shown to completely change the structure of water, making the molecules more like the Emoto's good water pictures. There are inexpensive devices available on the internet to accomplish this. However I now simply use a household funnel with one of the doughnut shaped class 8 ceramic magnets attached over the funnel spout. My homemade water funnel is really rudimentary as I have just held the magnet in place by wrapping a rubber band around the funnel base below the magnet. I simply pour my home filtered/ozonated water into the funnel over a large jug, and the water spins merrily around the funnel before emptying out past the magnet. My body really likes the water made this way.

5. And finally, if you wish to become alkaline you will have to do much more than drink alkaline water. Although I have been drinking alkaline water for years I could not get my body Ph down without raw foods, and lemon or apple cider vinegar water to start each day out.

[1159]

Quote Nearing Again, I reiterate - very acidic liquids and foods are said to alkalize the body (vinegar, greens, etc) - this makes sense to me as the body is always pushing to be in equilibrium. If you introduce acid to the body it produces base to counteract. So by this thinking, if you introduce a base (alkaline water or baking soda, etc), the body will actually counter it with producing acid.

The body wants to be neutral at baseline so keep this in mind when thinking of buying something that you think will keep you at one end over other.

I think it's counter productive to dissent over the pros and cons of drinking distilled water, as scientifically there is a difference in opinion. Nearing believes it is advantageous, but also adds that she 'infuse my PURE H2O with energy myself' That does makes a difference. I quoted Nearing's above comment, because she is right when she states 'the body is always pushing to be in equilibrium. She will be aware that pure distilled water is chemically a vacuum and thus readily attracts ionic mergers through the process of osmosis. That being the case, free radicals and other ions in the body are attracted from their high concentration to the low concentration of distilled water. It is well known by the medical community that consuming large amounts of DI water (>2 liters) in a short time frame (8 hours) can disrupt the electrolyte balance sufficiently to show up in standard blood work. Put simply, this is a potential state of leeching through the balancing of ionic concentrations. We are not completely certain that the kidneys counteract this leeching effect at the elimination statge or not. Nearing, you will have your opinion on this, but it is not shared by everyone. Some people are very much against the ingestion of pure H2O for the above reasons. I state this, not as an argument but for a balanced opinion from 15 years as a water purification engineer dealing in RO systems, deionisation and similar technologies.

Having said all that, there is a big problem with water and the simplest and most obvuious is that most people don't drink enough, or believe that drinking beverages or pop is just as good. This is a complete mistake as most commecial beverages are laced with toxins and sugar, as we a all know. Bottled water is so badly commecialised that it's not worth considering, especially if it's in a plastic container. Tap water is poisoned with dosing contaminants like chlorine, bromides, flourides and TOCs and well water is probably contaminated with agricultual/ industrial run-off contamination. Basically, we're stuffed which ever way we turn, not even mentioning the energetics of water that has such an effect on our systems (ref:Dr. Emoto).

To balance this conversation towards the positive, we should remember that the human body is very tolerant of 'a minor case of contamination' It's very capable of removing most toxins, provided thay are not prolific, reproductive or severly pathogenic. With this in mind, I personally adopt a simple process of cleanup removing THMs (trihalomethanes) TOCs Total organic compounds) and other toxic contaminants, while leaving the beneficial mineral balance in tact in the water. In my opinion, that is not in alignment with Nearing, I advise against RO (reverse osmosis), distillation or other methods of pure water. Yes, nature does provide this level of purity, but only in small doses through the condensation effect. This is quickly counterbalanced as minerals are attracted back to the pure water through RO. Nature does not specialise in purity, but always seeks to achieve environental balance. We should follow that model for optimum health

There are many under-sink filters and jug filters on the market that major on removing the high levels of contaminants that are harmful while leaving beneficial minerals. These are quite adequate for good health, alowing the wonders of your body to a little bit of clean up work itself.

[Tane Mahuta]

I would steer well away from drinking only distilled water. Victor Schelburger explains it very well in his book "Living Energies" Water is something that grows and matures naturally. Distilled water is baby water and it will leach minerals from your body, to grow itself. I really recommend the book. There is much to learn about water and its properties and aliveness. Some old wives tales are wise not just tales!

Hi Carmen, Viktor Shauberger. Did a bit of research regarding his vortex theories,don't know how I missed this book.
downloading the book now.

Here a link to the file.

http://www.4shared.com/get/8NEPiBgQ/Living_Energies_-_Viktor_Schau.html

[Fina]

I have dowsed tap water from 6 different areas / water treatment plants in my area. 4 are 'bad' for me, and 2 are 'ok'. Sadly, the 2 that are okay would require lengthy boat journeys to collect...

There was a chap visiting our area from abroad a couple of years back who dowsed, and he reckoned our tap water was responsible for a lot of local health problems, didn't know what was in it/ what was wrong with it, but he recommended {for us} exposing water you're going to drink / cook with to a Rife machine / Frequency Generator at 10,000Hz.

I stick my filter jugs next to my Frequency Generator on 10,000Hz and after a while, when I test by dowsing, it goes from 'bad', to 'good'.

Anyone have any ideas as to what might be happening?

I have tried to track down an independent lab to test different water samples, but when I contacted one & they discovered it was "potable water" they refused, saying they had a policy of not testing potable water... now why would that be, hmm??

Guess I'll have to try & track down a trustworthy lab outwith the UK / EU...

[Arrowwind]

I would not drink distilled water without adding minerals to it.
we in fact do acquire some minerals from the water we drink... and the water we drink should be as close to natural stream or spring water as possible for genetically, historically, this is mostly what the human race has survived on and what we are best adapted to.
Consider Fluoride. Ever see fluorosis of the teeth from people who live in areas where there are high concentrations of natural fluoride in the water? Also Iron, which can be very dangerous if it is at high levels in the water.
Magnesium water is good for you as is sulpher water for some people and people go to specific hot springs to absorb these minerals for their healing benefits.

Although the minerals in water are inorganic they are still utilized by the body. If they are in excess or if there are other problems in the body minerals can get deposited here and there, assisting to form plaque in the arteries and stones in the kidneys

But in general good water has a benefiical mix of minerals... magnesium being the most desirable.

Consider what Masauru Emotos says about distilled water... according to his photographs... it lacks vital force, and is essentially dead. Water should be imprinted with the imprints of mother nature, and minerals is a part of that.

If you drink photonic water or magnetized water (a different process with equally good results) the minerals change somehow energetically and can be better utilized by the body. Photonic water is the way to go if you are going to process your water in any way. I have put a post on photonic water in the forum that deals with food and water in the survival section. This has proven out in agriculture with higher yeilds just by processing the water with the photonic system or the magnetic system.

www.photonicwater.com (http://www.photonicwater.com)

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[Arrowwind]

Here are several bits of information for this thread
1. I have a histamine reaction to most bottled waters, but especially Dasani and Aquafina. I couldn't figure out why until I ran into an article from a reliable source that disclosed that water companies often add acetone to the bottled water, which they are not required to state on their labels. The same is true of bottled wines and juices, which I am highly alergic to. The only bottled waters I have found that I am not allergic to are Fiji and Icelandic waters... so if you are without the ability to treat your water on the road these may be 'safe'

2. I own a Kangen machine... and I can tell you unequivocally that the models such as Jupiter and so on are NOT good... and are in fact dangerous. The reason is that the cheaper products spray coat platinum on their plates (unlike the Kangen machine which has dipped plates with a thick coating of platinum). The problem is that these very thin coatings wear off within 2-4 years and the underlying titanium plate interior, which is electrified, creates toxic water. A number of people have been hospitalized from drinking water made with inexpensive machines of this type where the platinum wore off. One person even died from this issue. About my Kangen, it really worked to change some health issues I had, however I am not using it where I live as the natural tap water is very alkaline and the machine doesn't seem to be able to do much with the water here.

3. I moved here a year ago and found the water to be the 'driest' water I have ever experienced. I have resolved this after some experimentation. Let me first explain what I am talking about. When I water my garden with the city water it does not soak into the ground for as much as 2-3 hours! Really, it just sits on top of the ground, even though the soil is filled with organic compost and very soft and friable. I had never seen anything like this before in my 60 years of gardening! The solution? After thorough research I purchased donut shaped grade 8 ceramic magnets with one flat face as NORTH and the other flat face as SOUTH. I threaded the hose through the magnet with the water coming IN through the NORTH and OUT through the SOUTH. The magnets cannot be strong neodymium ... they must be the weaker grade 8 ceramic magnets in order to structure the water properly. As soon as the magnets were placed around the water hose... VOILA... wetter water. And, my garden plants had shown signs of stress in the form of yellow leaves immediately became healthy. Of course I treat my drinking water in the same way as well.
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Watch out for the ceramic magnets. they do wear out. Not sure about the small ones like you are using but the bigger systems they use for agriculture have to have the magnets replaced about every 12 to 15 years. I think you are on the right track in all of your post.

But regarding body PH. You cannot change the ph of the blood. Even the slightest variation can send one kareening off to the hospital.
The ph of saliva and urine can change and that is what is monitored when trying to adjust ph. These fluids and their ph are reflective of a promise for a better state of health

I have a great water machine for sale called a Regency II , I used it when I was in Salt Lake City but no longer need it. $400, original cost $600. I kept the ph of my water there at a 10. Still works great.

[nomadguy]

energy and water have some sort of relationship that we cannot see. And this has puzzled scientists and inquiring people for centuries. The elites may know a thing or two about this However ->
I have seen nasty toxic tap water water change to clean energetic water from praise and music alone.
With that being said, what process is happening within this occurrence?
I wonder... Is it molecular? Is this a process of ion exchange. Or could it be that water is responsive to consciousness. Adding that when water comes into contact with energy that is fractal, or is that of bliss or love, the combination creates an effect on water that is good for all life.

[realitycorrodes]

Sorry read the first page. Did not have time to read the others. Apologies if this has been mentioned. The bodies main way of maintaining ph balance if through breathing. If the body is acidic - it has high levels of co2 - then the body starts hyperventilating to blow it off, which makes the body (blood) alkaline. If the blood in the body is too alkaline the breathing rate slows and co2 builds up. I researched this a long time ago and the people (scientifc people) that I came across on the internet stated that the whole alkaline diet thing is the latest pseudo science scam to remove money from gullible desperate people. The bodies ph level is extremely fragile and is maintianed by the bodies own biofeedback mechanisms (breathing!!!!) to within very small parameters - any major deviences from within those parameters makes an individual extremely sick immediately i.e. you would know about it. So come on guys, drop the superstitious fear based mind control and start doing the inner work of removing your own self created "self deception". Gotta start some time.

[Arrowwind]

Sorry read the first page. Did not have time to read the others. Apologies if this has been mentioned. The bodies main way of maintaining ph balance if through breathing. If the body is acidic - it has high levels of co2 - then the body starts hyperventilating to blow it off, which makes the body (blood) alkaline. If the blood in the body is too alkaline the breathing rate slows and co2 builds up. I researched this a long time ago and the people.

Too bad you didn't take the time to read the other posts... as you would have learned that the ph of urine and saliva can be controled with an alkaline diet or baking soda. It is not clear what ramifications this may have on the whole system but it is clear that for some people making these two body fluids alkaline has a powerful healing effect of some very serious diseases.


The PH of the blood it tightly regulated and yes, respiration is a huge factor in that, but not the only factor... and as I said in a previous post deviation in PH outside of a very very narrow perameter can cause serious distress leading to hospitalization, even death if not corrected.

The intake of huge amounts of baking soda do not seem to break the constraints of bood ph. Read Vern's cancer cure story here:
http://phkillscancer.com/ (http://phkillscancer.com/)

Do not misconstrue how people talk about getting alkaline and what is actually happening. Most people who attempt this are not clear on what they are doing and they certainly are not making their blood alkaline.

The alkalinization of urine and saliva needs research. Those who have successfully maintained high ph of urine and saliva have cured cancer. I cannot say that it will cure all cancer. Research needs to be done. Many failures in these techniques could be the fault of non compliance or not doing it correctly.