Greys, The Fourth Dimension And Your Soul's Energy

[DNA]

You know the AI model serves as a nice construct in helping to analogize the concept of why I think the greys may be here.

If folks are not familiar with the concept of the fourth dimension (http://www.kahealani.com/articles/fourth_dimension.html)I have provided a link on the word for you.



This is a realm of distortions and illusions, influence from the forces of darkness, a place where many aspects of your own shadow side dwell, and the realm of hungry ghosts (vampyric / vampiric entities). It's also the realm of DreamTime.
Maha (Great) Maya (Illusion) is quite prevalent in the Astral planes. The astral dimension contains all the properties of both physical incarnation and spiritual information in a no-time no-space realm of freedom of instant transformation


It has been my hypothesis for some time that the grey's visiting our planet may in fact be gathering human chi, life force, spiritual essense. The use for this is quite simple in my opinion.
It is being used as energetic sustainance for those who wish to live forever in a manner.

As a ghost, we are not forced to cross over to the other side.
What if there are those who have attained the technological and financial means to insure that they would live forever in a manner of speaking. By using greys as an intermediary to harvest life force energy that "ghosts" per se are without, and through means unknown to us, project the energy to waiting individuals in the fourth dimension.

The fourth dimension is pliable, it is a place where "the power of intention" is immediate. It is for all intents and purposes virtual reality, except, that it is real, self sustaining, timeless, won't break down, and pervasive and extending to all known places where life exists in the universe.

The greys have left "clues" if you will to their machinations.

1. They claim to work for someone else, to be doing the bidding of an unknown or unseen force.
2. They call human life forms "containers". They have been quoted as saying this many times over.
3.They are often referred to as biological robots. What better custodian than long lasting self replicating non-sentient beings devoid of ethics to perform such a task?


This concept has been echoed some what by the Gnostics in their description of the Archons.

Anyway, not trying to be disturbing, just fleshing out an idea.

DNA

[D-Day]

Exactly.

Your "idea" is by no means an unfounded hypothesis. IMO it is the unfortunate truth of the matter and most likely fact!

At least for some of the greys... but not all of them I suspect.

[Jayke]

I really feel there could be something to it...I had an experience with a grey once although I just kind of shrugged it off as being a part of my imagination at the time...looking at it from this perspective though it actually makes sense.

I shared a story on Bills Gaia thread a while ago about a spiritual awakening experience I had after going through an operation at the hospital several years ago, what i left out of that story is that for about 36 hours after the experience there was a part of my vision that could still see strange phenomena going on in the astral realm that boggled my mind a bit at the time...when I returned home from the hospital, I stepped in through the front door, looked up the stairs and at the top of the stairs looked to be an astral being, when it caught me looking though, it kind of just darted across the hallway out of view. I figured i was still tripping from the anaesthetics and so unpacked my bags and went upstairs to get some sleep. As I switched the light out and climbed under the covers I noticed an ethereal grey stood at the end of the bed...it looked real yet had that definite ethereal quality to it. I watched it watching me for a few moments and after a while I got bored and eventually said "can I help you with something?"...it stayed silent, standing there and continuing to stare...so after a few more moments I'd had enough and just said as politely as possible..."look, I'm injured, I need to rest and recover and get my energy back...haven't got time for this so if you don't mind I'd like you to leave...goodnight and let me sleep". I closed my eyes and when I opened them again it was gone.

After that I never saw or heard it again, it was the first and last time in my life I'd ever seen anything grey-like yet with it being in an ethereal form I just figured it for nothing, just a hallucination brought on by the experiences from the hospital...your hypothesis though makes me see things in a slightly new light...certainly opens up a new realm of possibility to say the least...thanks for posting DNA.:alien:

[Artemesia]

This is from my post on the Andov Pane video thread, but worth repeating. I include it here because once you get past the idea that 'all greys are bad', things get better. More expansive. Its just another locked down thought. That's not to say there are things worth being aware/cautious about. In the lower astral realms, not all beings are nice. Just like Earth. No surprise there, its where discretion comes in. At the same time, its also important to move beyond the 'everyone says so' conditioning and what I'll term intergalactic racism. One has to remember to take individuals as individuals.

Anyhow, here's just another perspective....


The other idea I have issue with is that Grey's are all bad. I agree, there has been a lot of manipulation and negative dealings with these beings. However, and I refer to some James Gililand material here, there is evidence that the Greys are really just a race of beings who chose to pursue knowledge and intellectualism at the TOTAL expense of their own emotional bodies. As a result, they are a race that is dying, are being born soulless, and are now trying to correct this lack of foresight on their own parts and save themselves from extinction by hybridizing with humans to regain their emotional bodies. As a result of all this, they are rather cold and unfeeling in their dealings with humans. Imagine how those eager Gray parents feel when they finally 'receive' their hybrid child, which they beleive will be the key to their future, and they have to deal with their first temper tantrum. I'm just saying, there is compassion in order here. And seeing them as all bad is just as low a vibration as those alien groups who have given up on humanity because of our own ignorances. I totally understand the point of view, and its not that it doesn't have sound 'reasoning' and 'experiential evidence' to back it, I'm just saying, we have to move beyond it. For those of us who have had interactions with Grays, you can choose to be a victim in the interaction, and you will experience the worst that has to offer, the 'abduction' ritual at its finest. There is some other ground to stand upon though. Teaching others who have forgotten how to love, how to love again though they may have forgotten or chosen not to love, is powerful work and much needed across the races of the universe which have interacted here on Earth over the eons. There are indeed some grays worth avoiding. There are also some that are learning the rough way with younglings that are emotionally charged in a non-emotive race and they could use our compassion and assistance in learning how to save themselves, just as the circle makers are teaching us how to do the same. When the mental blocks vanish, and we allow the energy to flow, we find ourself someplace entirely new. This is the key to the influx of energy from the galactic core. Tangible, sturdy, structural supports are the key. It includes expanding beyond the old 'rote' truth of 'watch out for the Grays'.

[DNA]

I really feel there could be something to it...I had an experience with a grey once although I just kind of shrugged it off as being a part of my imagination at the time...looking at it from this perspective though it actually makes sense.

I shared a story on Bills Gaia thread a while ago about a spiritual awakening experience I had after going through an operation at the hospital several years ago, what i left out of that story is that for about 36 hours after the experience there was a part of my vision that could still see strange phenomena going on in the astral realm that boggled my mind a bit at the time...when I returned home from the hospital, I stepped in through the front door, looked up the stairs and at the top of the stairs looked to be an astral being, when it caught me looking though, it kind of just darted across the hallway out of view. I figured i was still tripping from the anaesthetics and so unpacked my bags and went upstairs to get some sleep. As I switched the light out and climbed under the covers I noticed an ethereal grey stood at the end of the bed...it looked real yet had that definite ethereal quality to it. I watched it watching me for a few moments and after a while I got bored and eventually said "can I help you with something?"...it stayed silent, standing there and continuing to stare...so after a few more moments I'd had enough and just said as politely as possible..."look, I'm injured, I need to rest and recover and get my energy back...haven't got time for this so if you don't mind I'd like you to leave...goodnight and let me sleep". I closed my eyes and when I opened them again it was gone.

After that I never saw or heard it again, it was the first and last time in my life I'd ever seen anything grey-like yet with it being in an ethereal form I just figured it for nothing, just a hallucination brought on by the experiences from the hospital...your hypothesis though makes me see things in a slightly new light...certainly opens up a new realm of possibility to say the least...thanks for posting DNA.:alien:

I love stories like this.
Do you think the pain killers they were giving you had anything to do with altering your perception enough to see beyond the veil so to speak?

I've had one scenario where I saw a grey in my room while I was in bed, much as you did.
I was waking up from a night's sleep and I had sleep paralysis. But it wasn't complete, I could open my eyes and I had 10% use of my arms.
In my bedroom doorway was a tall grey.
He was phantasmagoric, transparent, ghost like.
He was also just looking at me. For some reason I had the impression that he didn't know I could see him, and that I was supposed to not be seeing him/this for my own sanities sake, so with all the strength I could muster I raised a hand and pointed at him and said through poor articulated lips "I see you".
I repeated this a few times and he actually put his hands up palms towards me like he understood me and backed out of the room.

I was still in this state of paralysis when he poked his head around the door again.This scared the bejesus out of me and I began shouting again very poorly "I see you".
Bloody terrified I was.
And then the paralysis was gone and I jumped out of bed and ran to the front door checking the house for the bugger.
Found nothing of course.
Though I wager he could have been in the living room peering at me the whole time and I wouldn't have seen him now that I was awake and all.

[DNA]

This is from my post on the Andov Pane video thread, but worth repeating. I include it here because once you get past the idea that 'all greys are bad', things get better. More expansive. Its just another locked down thought. That's not to say there are things worth being aware/cautious about. In the lower astral realms, not all beings are nice. Just like Earth. No surprise there, its where discretion comes in. At the same time, its also important to move beyond the 'everyone says so' conditioning and what I'll term intergalactic racism. One has to remember to take individuals as individuals.

Anyhow, here's just another perspective....


The other idea I have issue with is that Grey's are all bad. I agree, there has been a lot of manipulation and negative dealings with these beings. However, and I refer to some James Gililand material here, there is evidence that the Greys are really just a race of beings who chose to pursue knowledge and intellectualism at the TOTAL expense of their own emotional bodies. As a result, they are a race that is dying, are being born soulless, and are now trying to correct this lack of foresight on their own parts and save themselves from extinction by hybridizing with humans to regain their emotional bodies. As a result of all this, they are rather cold and unfeeling in their dealings with humans. Imagine how those eager Gray parents feel when they finally 'receive' their hybrid child, which they beleive will be the key to their future, and they have to deal with their first temper tantrum. I'm just saying, there is compassion in order here. And seeing them as all bad is just as low a vibration as those alien groups who have given up on humanity because of our own ignorances. I totally understand the point of view, and its not that it doesn't have sound 'reasoning' and 'experiential evidence' to back it, I'm just saying, we have to move beyond it. For those of us who have had interactions with Grays, you can choose to be a victim in the interaction, and you will experience the worst that has to offer, the 'abduction' ritual at its finest. There is some other ground to stand upon though. Teaching others who have forgotten how to love, how to love again though they may have forgotten or chosen not to love, is powerful work and much needed across the races of the universe which have interacted here on Earth over the eons. There are indeed some grays worth avoiding. There are also some that are learning the rough way with younglings that are emotionally charged in a non-emotive race and they could use our compassion and assistance in learning how to save themselves, just as the circle makers are teaching us how to do the same. When the mental blocks vanish, and we allow the energy to flow, we find ourself someplace entirely new. This is the key to the influx of energy from the galactic core. Tangible, sturdy, structural supports are the key. It includes expanding beyond the old 'rote' truth of 'watch out for the Grays'.

Thank you for your post Artemisia :)
I hear you sister, I know what your saying. I don't like do demonize things either. It's all shades of gray :drum: oh yea :)

You might dig my Parasitic Non-Organic Multidimensional Beings (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21614-Parasitic-Non-Organic-Multidimensional-Beings) threads.
Being as your a Castanedan aware of the lower dimensionals and all.

[Flash]

[SIZE=3]Anyway, not trying to be disturbing, just fleshing out an idea.

DNA

My wicked sense of humour: you said "fleshing out" and idea. Are we the idea (energy) fleshed out?

Your use of word was, in my opinion, quite appropriate to the topic here. lol

As for the Greys, i truly don't know what to think, but I am reading with great interest.

[Jayke]

At the time I felt it was a combination of the drugs thinning the veil and me meditating through the pain of the surgery, which stilled my mind to be perceptive enough and be open to the experience. I always agreed with Robert Anton Wilson and Terence Mckenna who both say that drugs open up new circuits in the brain, install new software or download new operating protocols...all the native indians and indigenous tribes have their preferred hallucinogenics teas and things they enjoy consuming...as long as we use the key to unlock the door then leave the door unlocked as we return to reality. I've seen far too many people, including close family and friends, who've locked the door everytime they return and end up being dependant on the key in order to re-access those states and levels of awareness instead of just being able to walk through those doors at will.

I do find it interesting that I felt a very neutral emotion throughout the whole experience though...I think i agree with Artemesia, maybe that's why we call them greys...because they look at you like the vulcans out of star trek...emotionless. Must be our emotions that colour the experience and inform them on how to react. With the principle of free will in place does that mean we either give them permission to interfere with us with our fear or do they offer us assistance when we feel love...like Flash said, do we flesh them out with the energy of our thoughts and emotions. Just looking more closely at the word 'interfere' don't we pronounce it 'in t fear' by moving in to a state of fear does that give them the signal to interfere with us giving us the karmic opportunity to learn about the intrinsic nature of fear and teach us how to be unafraid...or maybe I'm just reading too much into it :)

[Maia Gabrial]

Not drug induced, but I had my own experience with 2 beings, one of them being a female Gray. The other female chose to stay invisible....I awakened out of sleep to see the Gray sitting at the foot of my bed. Don't know how long they were there, but they seemed confident being in my room. The invisible voice was telling the other one that I was "an alpha". Don't know what came over me, maybe a little bit of dark humor, but I chose to growl and show teeth like a wild animal at the Gray when she prepared to lift me out of bed. The Gray backed away from me. Then both disappeared quickly. I get a chuckle out of this memory every time.... LOL

[Fred Steeves]

I chose to growl and show teeth like a wild animal at the Gray


Sounds like they were correct in you you being an alpha wolf Maia, I'd back off too. BTW, you're looking pretty good for 58, what's your secret? :dance:


Cheers,
Fred

[Maia Gabrial]

Hey Fred,
:becky:
Maia