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Tony
18th July 2011, 13:35
Confidence.

For some spiritual paths are full of flowers, bells and whistles, for others quite ordinary, just a few rocks. It all depends on what is needed. Our path is the result of past accumulated actions and reactions together with what is happening in the present moment. This karma is due to much puffed-upness.

What is happening to us is quite precise, and points to 'our' journey back. Other's views maybe helpful to reflect and study, but our path is our and theirs is theirs. We are all unique, though we may share a journey for a while.

The way back is letting go of our accumulated adornments we have acquired, they are no longer needed. This forum is very good as a catalysis (help to undergo change) but it can become a hindrance to actual experience. We are in danger of adorning ourselves with other's dreams.
In a group there is always much blustering going on, “It is like this! No! It is like that!”

Our innate wisdom has many qualities, and it manifests in many ways. Sometimes profound, sometimes funny, sometimes a little crazy. This usually depends on the situation - the needs of others, which is an expression of compassionate energy. This carries a great deal of responsibility.

Confidence is in accepting ones lot (Karma) be it good or bad. We all wish it were better, but what happens, is the way it just is...=justice! Our path maybe very complex or very simple or somewhere in between, all we have to do is note and accept it. Letting go, is just opening up, into infinite unelaborated consciousness.

Of course we don't always get this right!

If we lack confidence we will not be able to liberate these thoughts and emotions, so we may need a firm platform to work from.

Having a high view or deep meditation may not be helpful if it is a mind-made view or meditation. We can become conceited, which is not a remedy, but only serves to create more problems. We may develop power, but if we lack compassion our afflictions will not be destroyed. If the path doesn't free us from the afflictions then it is not considered to be the perfect path for us. So maybe we should review from time to time what in fact we are holding onto.

Our conduct should be one of continuity of sitting meditation so whatever arises is self liberated . Any holding on is the occupation of ego. Remember ego is just consciousness, driven by like or dislike or indifference.

Suppose you practise meditation and can rest one-pointedly or can visualise clearly without wavering, if this is coming from a dualistic mind it is not the right view, and there is still a subtle I and ego fixation. Because of that, everything becomes part of that ego fixation – it makes it even worse than before because we develop spiritual conceit on top. Spiritual materialism.

If you really know the key point of self-liberation then anything that arises will be liberated, all the afflictions (including the happiness you feel from achieving the practice) and also the antidotes. After washing with soap which is the remedy, we wash off the soap, which is the letting go.

When a thought arises it is a seeming thought. It is only a thought if there is clinging to that thought which produces thinking, then reaction, then emotions, then confusion and then suffering.
Everything depends. Everything depends on something else. We, pure cognisant essence do not depend on any thing. We just are.

Maybe that is what is meant by higher self? Finding that is easy, it's just there. Quite ordinary. It's pure perception. The difficult part is to stop puffing it up, this only creates problems. The way to find what we are looking for is to stop reacting, stop be complicated. This only creates karma. Karma is the adornment.

Have confidence in merely being.

EileenCookies
18th July 2011, 13:47
Hi Pie, I noted you like to talk about consciousness (...just in passing noted this....I have a sense of humor).

You seem to jump around with different disciplines. Sometimes is just surfacy stuff (like this one) and sometimes it is about one of the many Eastern practices available.

I took a glance at your profile as well.

Do you go out with this information (teach it in public?) or study on your own?

Tony
18th July 2011, 14:45
Hi Pie, I noted you like to talk about consciousness (...just in passing noted this....I have a sense of humor).

You seem to jump around with different disciplines. Sometimes is just surfacy stuff (like this one) and sometimes it is about one of the many Eastern practices available.

I took a glance at your profile as well.

Do you go out with this information (teach it in public?) or study on your own?

I study on my own. Sorry that this is superficial, I will just have to try harder....but ..but..this was all about not trying too hard. I'm just saying at the same thing from different angles which might help someone.

shijo
18th July 2011, 14:56
Tony if thats superficial or surfacy id hate to see you write something profound,had to read the bloody thing three times, but i get the gist, ta, Shijo.

Jayke
18th July 2011, 18:19
A little poem about surfacy stuff lol kind of sums up what we do on this forum.


Flower petals are numerous in our hands, love
I have a ton in my hand
And you have a ton as well
And with it daytime
We can create something special for us
A special moment for our love
We can create, for the time being, our own
lovely tale
Especially in this time of this magical summer

So after a little time has passed
You nod to me
And I smile at you

We scatter flower petals across the ocean surface
Letting them float on top of the water
And letting them drift away

After a few moments
Smiling at each other
We walk away
Ready to enjoy what's left of this day

Jayke
19th July 2011, 20:28
Discovered another qoute today which seems to have relevance to this thread...Manly P Hall keeping it short, sweet and full of wisdom.


'when the eyes of the body are opened, the sight of the soul is obscured'

adds new depth to the word 'insight' I feel...to the see the light inside oneself regardless of the conditions our eyes meet in the external world.

Tony
19th July 2011, 20:57
In true confidence, is unconditional happiness. When you know, nothing can disturb you, so generosity wells up.
One tiny mosquito can put that to the test!!!!!!

sshenry
19th July 2011, 22:24
Hi Pie, I noted you like to talk about consciousness (...just in passing noted this....I have a sense of humor).

You seem to jump around with different disciplines. Sometimes is just surfacy stuff (like this one) and sometimes it is about one of the many Eastern practices available.

I took a glance at your profile as well.

Do you go out with this information (teach it in public?) or study on your own?

Its interesting you should mention this - I'm currently reading a book called "ONE DHARMA" by Joseph Goldstein about how the dispparate Buddhist traditions are actually begining to homogenize back into their original form now that they have come to the west. Very interesting read :)

Davidallany
19th July 2011, 22:35
As long as one is awake in every thought speech and action, karma vanishes.

Jayke
20th July 2011, 07:03
Its interesting you should mention this - I'm currently reading a book called "ONE DHARMA" by Joseph Goldstein about how the dispparate Buddhist traditions are actually begining to homogenize back into their original form now that they have come to the west. Very interesting read :)

The homogenization process has already been completed, by a western student of Nan Huai-chin.
Nan Huai-Chin has been recognised as a fully self realized enlightened master by taoist, zen and buddhist traditions...most people in the west haven't heard much about him because he only works in China helping the chinese government resolve conflicts...although he does have a book published in english which took over 7 years to translate 'diamond sutra explained' (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Diamond-Sutra-Explained-Huaijin-Nan/dp/0971656126).

Bill Bodri said he spent, I think it was 20 years in china studying the lessons of this man and has done a great job of compiling and cross correlating everything he learned with systems found in the west and put it all together in his ebook measuring meditation (http://www.meditationexpert.com/measuringmeditation.html), a bit pricey but the content is invaluable. With over 700 pages though if anyone is serious about reading it, just PM me your email address and I'll forward it to you.

Tony
20th July 2011, 08:12
Morning Jayke,
What you say is interesting. I will contact you and I look forward to reading his work.

I just feel moved to address something. It is difficult for people nowadays to know who to listen to, a lot of western gurus have set themselves up, and I'm sure they can all be helpful. But, ...the but is coming. The problem is that there are a huge guru supermarket out there. The other problem is finding students! When I say students I mean Dharma practitioners. This is not an easy subject to discuss. If one knows the words, one can easily set oneself up as a teacher. If you are a little charismatic it makes this easier.
People are desperate and have a longing for knowledge and to feel good about themselves. In these times this is wonderful!!

The problem comes with the words. There is a literal meaning and an expedient meaning. Then there are the nine meanings - same words different meanings, depending on the vehicle. A teacher has to be be one the ball, to see if the students are getting too tight or too loose. Too many teachers just repeat words, an new student can be beguiled and admire the teacher for the supposed insight, but it is just repeating words. It is a mind filled mine field. The teacher has to be aware of the clinging attitude of student, as this is a huge part of the process...letting go.

I admire anyone that repeats the words of the masters, but the information has to be dropped, to experience the knowledge. Then through the knowledge wisdom is realised.
Hence the pray, may confusion dawn as wisdom. Too many people acquire the answers, but have no questions. Over forty years I've seen this happen again and again.

There is a video of someone questioning the Dalai Lama asking, "Why do so many westerners leave their brains outside the door, and fold their hand too readily?" People are too quick to join in, therefore feel vulnerable because they haven't gone through a process. They get defensive and competitive. You can see this happening on the forum, this is all because people learn some words.

I sort of blame this New Age thing, telling people "You are the Light!" "Just believe!" "You are enlightened!" you know the sort of thing. The thing is, this is perfectly true.. but no yet.
All people will get is a nice polish enlightened ego. This is what the Illuminati have. Word like love, compassion kindness, are just words, we have to mean it.
The only reason I write on this forum is so when people do go to the Dharma centres, no one can lord it over them and pull the wool over their eyes, using unfamiliar words.

Tony
20th July 2011, 10:18
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...36544608625413

This is a video from Romans last post. MANIPULATION OF MATRIX ILLUSION.
From a site called illuminatimatrix.wordpress.com

It is VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVery important to understand.

Meesh
20th July 2011, 10:45
In true confidence, is unconditional happiness. When you know, nothing can disturb you, so generosity wells up.
One tiny mosquito can put that to the test!!!!!!

Reminds me of this youtube video: Will try to embed, my first attempt, but here is the link

http://youtu.be/JuFZ-DUx71w

JuFZ-DUx71w

Tony
20th July 2011, 10:49
Dear Meesh,
That was excellent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!