Escaping from the Matrix

[ROMANWKT]

Paul has just merged my 2 posts "Manipulating the Matrix" and "Escaping the Matrix" onto one thread, It all deals with the same questions, answers, speculation.


I went through this website nearly 2 years ago, and found very important information from what seems a brilliant mind at connecting the dots with ancient occult knowledge, words, and numerology.

Its a must read, this site, it will take a week, but its worth it when you see all the manipulation coming together, very much an eye opener for some here.

Watch the video first http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-6226036544608625413

Then the second http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHUTGt_lExc

Go to the website, and start from the beginning on the right side of the page live URLs from 1 to 60 http://illuminatimatrix.wordpress.com/

At the last content page 60 it talks about ELENIN.

This to me was and is still is important knowledge to me.

Its all applicable to now, at whats happening.

My regards to you all
roman

[Tony]

Watch this video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ROMANWKT]

Escaping the Matrix

I was going to write “It all nonsense part 2” which would of shown us how to properly and fully MANIFEST IN THE MATRIX, but decided not to as the changes are coming and the system is geared against us, our accumulation is of no use and a nonsense.

What do I mean by that??

The Matrix entices your senses, it is body supportive, its not spirit/consciousness supportive.

It is used against us to deplete us by giving away our personal power to illusionary objects outside of ourselves, that means Gods, doctrines, education, wealth, Ego, hence with no elevation of our true selves, only depletion.

The Matrix is collapsing, falling apart, the end of the program is about to happen at the end of this cycle, and it’s about to reboot itself for the new cycle, from window XP, to the new window vista / win 7 as an example.

The Matrix is mathematical, and the mathematics are being used against us, by design.

The very language that we speak has vibrations of negative orientation that is being used against us, by design.

The Matrix is a corruption and is designed to corrupt.

Your true state is ZERO, Nothingness by Beingness, we are now trapped, not understanding how to release ourselves from these cycles.

Life in the Matrix is designed to keep all of humanity in the 3 lower chakras by music, TV newspapers, films, Celebrities, magazines, overindulgent of food, money, and sex etc.

All materialism is in lower vibration, that’s why the Matrix is a corrupting force against spirit/consciousness

Your program on the release of the body is designed to trap you for your journey into the light and tunnel for you to be recycled back into the Matrix. You have to die consciously and in beingness state. You don’t envisage a haven or hell, or anything, as what you create you will then become trap to you. Your mind will create anything and everything in this state just as a person who has OBE (out of body experience). You will create a God, Jesus, Mohamed, Krishna, and Buddha, your dead relatives, poppy fields and the gates of haven, and every Demon you can imagine. You must be in a state of beingness, no push or pull and allow, things will follow without you following the Matrix program and creating another trap for yourself by your still illusionary creative mind. Allow thing to happen, but don’t go to the light, that’s a setup for a Matrix trap.

Even if I am wrong, I am right, because any contribution from you will become your trap.

People who have died and returned, met Jesus and all of their family which they created and then came back wrote a books by the hundreds, joining some religious orders and perpetuating bu££$hit for evermore. It’s a trap, it’s the Matrix.


If you haven’t read this post from me yet, it shows how to get rid of all garbage and gain beingness

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15834-Its-all-nonsense-part-1


This is another active post at the moment, if you are not interested to go further on this post, just watch the first video.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?25605-Manipulation-of-the-matrix-an-illusion

So what do you think????????????????

My Regards to you all as always
roman

[DarMar]

Yesterday i watched this video and i must say this guy is on right track.
All that he said i knew in inner me and observing is my way of living since childhood, this came as intuitive part to me in early ages.
I dont get hot or cold, or nerved. There is no negative or positive, there is only perspective.

For example, friend come to my place and outside is hot as they say.. well its summer apparently :)
They are all sweating like mad and im feeling pleasant temperature.. They ask me how can i stand this temperature?
my answer was: it is not hot outside, it is just movie "they" sold you, and you buyed it! :)

all knowledge i took from thought patterns because they are out there floating in space.
Also many times ppl who know me asked me question how do i achieve things in life?
because every human specialises in something.. you have good guitar player, a good car driver, a good cook... yet i do all these things with ease.
i play guitar, bass, keyboard, drums, drawing, painting, doing 3D grapics, animation, programming, software engineering, mechanics, know to repair broken electronics, build engine i even built my guitar =) and thats just part of it.
Today i exist in this realm as most humans does and yet i dont have bank accounts, ID, birth paper, mortgages.... nothing
I earn for living very well, approx 5 times larger ammount of money than average pay that someone receives in this country.
Yet i get paid in way i call "solar payement" .. money on sun or in hand, no banks no taxes and stuff like that.
And i never earn doing the same job!
To me life is like play, a one awesome play.
I do not accept anyone to lead me, i do not accept to lead anyone.
It is something very similar what Bill described when he told that we release ourselves from struggling to know and simply let ourselves go.


In overall ROMANWKT, one big thanks for this video cause this guy tells that very well and i didnt seen it yet.

[Tane Mahuta]

Escaping the Matrix


So what do you think????????????????

Good Post Roman......here's what I see!!

Firstly let's simplify things...

This is a game, just a game, & we....the human race,...are the players
(through our own ignorance).

"Dont Play the Game!!.....Don't Buy!!.....Ask Why......Don't Comply!!


TM

[ROMANWKT]

Escaping the Matrix


So what do you think????????????????

Good Post Roman......here's what I see!!

Firstly let's simplify things...

This is a game, just a game, & we....the human race,...are the players
(through our own ignorance).

"Dont Play the Game!!.....Don't Buy!!.....Ask Why......Don't Comply!!


TT


Hi Tane Mahuta

Agree 100%

regards
roman

[christian]

nucleus = new clay of us?! why not :juggle:

[NancyV]

I agree with you, Roman, that the light can be a trap. In my years of out of body travels I was aware that beings of light and love AND negative beings attempt to control others. There are a multitude of traps you can fall into and they can either be manipulated by love or fear/light or dark. I reached a state where I was not able to be easily influenced or pulled by anything and it was a learning process. I also had a near death experience about 4 years after I started regularly travelling out of body and I did not see a tunnel of light or feel the pull of the light at that time. I had gotten to a point where the light did not hold much fascination for me and could not influence me. The place I went to was a higher vibrational dimension where we were mostly connected but there was still some slight separation. It's difficult to describe in words.

Probably the most valuable aspect of my learning has been to let go of beliefs. Of course my mind and body have preferences, but these are transitory and relatively unimportant. If you have a belief in a power or being that is "higher" or more powerful than you are, you are open to being manipulated and controlled and you WILL be manipulated by others if you are open to it. In order to not be manipulated there is a state of being where you remain detached and unaffected by the games others are playing, here and in other dimensions. Even if you participate in the play it's just for fun. Occasionally I like to play games here on earth and get involved in a heated debate or discussion, but the bottom line is...I don't really care what happens. I do not want to control what goes on in this world or elsewhere and I do not desire to change things to suit a belief that all is not as it should be.

I don't know (and don't care) why we exist within a matrix. Most dimensions have a matrix of sorts, either more or less dense depending on the frequency of the dimension. The games that go on are battles for energy, which is basically how most people live here in the Earth matrix where it's a constant battle for control and power (energy). The only place I've been where there were no energy exchanges or games going on was within the source. All energy within the source simply is itself. Some dimensions have very few games going on and seem extremely peaceful and blissful, but as long as there is any separation of beings there are energy exchanges. There are no separate beings competing for energy within the source because there is nothing else but Oneness...and I am the Oneness.

[ROMANWKT]

Thank you NancyV you have managed to put this important information beautifully, I really love the way you have expressed your self with practical knowledge, thank you,you have said it better than I ever could.

My greatest regard to you
roman

[WhiteFeather]

Life is a ride you can get on and off anytime you want, and many know this. This is what I call the value of awakening (when we get off the ride) and realize The Matrix is just an illusion in keeping the sheep asleep.

I can no longer watch the Tell-Lie-Vision any longer, it just insults my intelligence, and actually disturbs me to say the least. I feel the programming going on, even the radio as well and newspapers which are also controlled by The Matrix System.

Great Post OP 5 Stars. Thank You

[robert]

Escaping the Matrix


So what do you think????????????????

Good Post Roman......here's what I see!!

Firstly let's simplify things...

This is a game, just a game, & we....the human race,...are the players
(through our own ignorance).

"Dont Play the Game!!.....Don't Buy!!.....Ask Why......Don't Comply!!


TT

HI Tane, i totally agree with you 100%

What is Non-Compliance?
"It is important for the well being and continuation of our free way of life that you consider this. In the spirit of freedom loving people everywhere, if you feel there is somthing wrong stand with us all.
A week of non compliance starting on the 12th till the 19th of september 2011 (and beyond) is being planned. Stock up locally, don't feed the corporate beast,
sit back and spend time with family and friends, create your own reality and find real solutions."
"People of the world, we are not one, not two, but many, and we require your assistance if we are to change things. We all know something is wrong, very wrong infact.
This is your planet, not the sole posession of corporate fat cats and banking cartels that assume they control us, our very existence, and our everyday movements. If, like us, you feel that enough is enough, then we urge you to stand with us, as one, stand up and be counted for humanity, for your children and grandchildren regardless of what you feel you beleive is wrong.
This is where we must set our differences aside and say no as a race of loving, caring men and women. This our chance, our one final chance to stand up and tell our alleged masters that we will tolerate no more, no more persecution of our freedoms, our thoughts and our everyday lives.
People of the world look around you, are you happy with the things you see, are you happy to leave this world in the situation we now find ourselves in."

A very warm welcome to the global non compliance website

http://www.noncompliance.co.uk/index.php

And i love the way their forum is built.

I invite you all to visit this site and maybe share your ideas, i know this might be a very small step or a rock in the pound, but big waves starts by small ripples.

[Tony]

Do not be lazy! Read illuminatimatrix.

Copy and paste onto your "open office" or whatever you have, for better reading.
This is so important!!!!!!!!

Tony

[Marikins]

This is interesting stuff. Just viewing the first video. Although I am in agreement with a lot of the ideas there are two things that weaken his argument:

1. He refers to the hexagon formed by the paths of three electrons around the nucleus as significant which it would be if there were only atoms with three electons and those electronic paths were on the same plane. But molecules have varying electrons and orbital planes don't they?

Edit: this is clarified in materials on website.

2. Although I do agree words and syllables as spoken have discrete and meaningful frquencies and can thereby act as keys and influencers, his linkage of the ancient ones to English is a bit specific. 'thought' equals 'Toth' only in English which I do not believe to be considered an ancient root language.

I am a bit put off by the linkages and presentation being somewhat hypnotic in their own right.
Still it is very valuable and I thank you Roman for posting it and Tony for championing it.

[Marikins]

I have just finished a first pass at the Illuminatrix material and it seems to me hardcore truth. To be honest I didn't get all the kabbalistic mumbojumbo but the general ideas are profound. Luckily I had just been reading John the Gnostic's new book in progress ( http://www.thegnosticpapers.org/ (www.thegnosticpapers.org/)) so my mind wasn't completely blown.

Question: Do you think it is necessary or even wise to study the kabbalistic stuff? Would that not be admitting the Luciferian building blocks of their thought reality into your reality?

[161803398]

Someone told me how to make a spell. You write down the word; spell it correctly; then you say it; this is a SPELL.

[NancyV]

Roman, today I was listening to a youtube recording of a 14 part talk by Robert Morning Sky. In part 13:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK4oUTLgBPQ&feature=related

at around 9:40 he says:

"Every time we shed the mortal the mortal coil, every time we go through another life, we are taken into the light and there we are reprogrammed. ...... So with great respect, do not go to THE light, go to YOUR light."

The entire 3 hours and 14 parts are fascinating. It's been many years since I listened to Robert Morning Sky and I had forgotten that he has a large amount of knowledge about so many of the deceptions going on surrounding our origins and history. He concurs with you that the light is a part of the matrix that recycles us back into the earth plane.

If it is true that "the light" is a trap or can be a trap then it means that most of the New Age type philosophies are actually leading one into being further controlled and trapped while thinking you are finding enlightenment. I have to laugh at the cosmic joke of it all! I think one is most able to escape being trapped when one believes nothing absolutely and trusts no one including so called godlike or benevolent beings of "light". You really have to be mentally and emotionally strong and have a sense of humor to resist both the dark AND the light.

Nancy :)

[bearcow]

"Every time we shed the mortal the mortal coil, every time we go through another life, we are taken into the light and there we are reprogrammed. ...... So with great respect, do not go to THE light, go to YOUR light."

it is your light, it is the most material aspect of your spirit

this is very important for the average person to understand.

you would be doing a great disservice to people if you convinced them that the light commonly seen in near death experiences should be stayed away from

[Jayke]

Without light, we'd have nothing, be nothing, we'd return to the void of nothingness, return to the source...some people might see escaping to that void of nothingness as the only true liberation, the only true escaping of this prison reality...but once we escape to nothingness what is there to do, what is there to create, what is there any purpose for anything...we can all be a loving, blissful, harmonious unity but I might be the odd one out when I say that I love this game we're all playing in, if it's a prison then I just want to tip my hat to the warden and say thankyou for throwing me in a prison that has so much potential for me to create whatever experience I'd like to go through in life...and I'd like to thank the luciferians for building such a challenging society where it forces us to look for new resources inside ourselves and discover aspects of ourself that may have remained hidden if we were born somewhere more harmonious.

One of the trials our ancestors had to go through before they were allowed into the great pyramid was to dive into a pool full of crocodiles and then emerge from the water in a different place than where they went in, all the crocodiles had been fully fed so they wouldn't have been hungry enough to hunt. But the initiates didn't know that, they had to summon enough courage to dive into the water and risk being eaten alive. 7 temples, with 7 trials the intitiates had to go through, symbolising the 7 chakras of the body...should they succeed they were welcomed into the great pyramid to undergo the final trial, physical death by pyramid energy...transforming them into an immortal spirit, which could reincarnate at will or travel the cosmos. Western society has been set up in a way that we don't need to go through the various trials within the temples, the trials have been brought to our doorstep... all we have to do is step out the house and the challenges begin. I'm grateful for that, everyone is now given the opportunity to achieve enlightenment not just the select few lucky enough to be chosen by the priests.

This thought based reality has just as much potential for liberation as it does enslavement. Only those who buy into being slaves will be enslaved, those of us who know how to shape our own realities will live life on our own terms. It's all just a matter of perspective and reclaiming the power to think for yourself without being influenced by the limiting thoughts of others. If it's all just a game we may as well make our own rules and enjoy ourselves while we're here. Like Nancy said previously, being detached from the games of others allows us to play without trapping ourselves in our own games, keeping that connection to source allows us to live at our best while we're here without getting too attached to anything thereby slipping back into the cycle of rebirth.

[ROMANWKT]

I have just finished a first pass at the Illuminatrix material and it seems to me hardcore truth. To be honest I didn't get all the kabbalistic mumbojumbo but the general ideas are profound. Luckily I had just been reading John the Gnostic's new book in progress ( http://www.thegnosticpapers.org/ (www.thegnosticpapers.org/)) so my mind wasn't completely blown.

Question: Do you think it is necessary or even wise to study the kabbalistic stuff? Would that not be admitting the Luciferian building blocks of their thought reality into your reality?

As you heard Marikins with the kabbala you push molecules at a time to make changes??????

regards
roman

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Someone told me how to make a spell. You write down the word; spell it correctly; then you say it; this is a SPELL.

Its not complete without turning your spell to a sigil??

regards
roman

[ROMANWKT]

Roman, today I was listening to a youtube recording of a 14 part talk by Robert Morning Sky. In part 13:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK4oUTLgBPQ&feature=related

at around 9:40 he says:

"Every time we shed the mortal the mortal coil, every time we go through another life, we are taken into the light and there we are reprogrammed. ...... So with great respect, do not go to THE light, go to YOUR light."

The entire 3 hours and 14 parts are fascinating. It's been many years since I listened to Robert Morning Sky and I had forgotten that he has a large amount of knowledge about so many of the deceptions going on surrounding our origins and history. He concurs with you that the light is a part of the matrix that recycles us back into the earth plane.

If it is true that "the light" is a trap or can be a trap then it means that most of the New Age type philosophies are actually leading one into being further controlled and trapped while thinking you are finding enlightenment. I have to laugh at the cosmic joke of it all! I think one is most able to escape being trapped when one believes nothing absolutely and trusts no one including so called godlike or benevolent beings of "light". You really have to be mentally and emotionally strong and have a sense of humor to resist both the dark AND the light.

Nancy :)

No I had not seen the video of Morning Sky, I will take a look later, thank you for that confirmation, there are problems waiting even after death, there are entities waiting.
have you seen this video from my other post

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-6226036544608625413

Thank you and regards

roman

[sygh]

This is very important information; leastwise, it is to me. I had written another response previously to this but was knocked, losing everything I had written. Now I have other responsibilites and cannot expound. Well, suffice it to say this is the best explaination I have heard concerning transending the 3-D.

Bryan cracks me up. What a hoot he is. In the first video posted, you can tell Bryan gets more and more purturbed, as he goes further into explaining atum, etc..., at those who have used this "secret" knowledge for their own carnal delights.



got to go now...love

[Mark]

Your true state is ZERO, Nothingness by Beingness, we are now trapped, not understanding how to release ourselves from these cycles.

Is this really so? Are we not One instead? Everything else, I would generally agree with.

[Maia Gabrial]

Thank you, Roman for your great post. Makes much sense to me. I agree that so much is being used against us to keep us enslaved to the system. If you get to see Viking's thread on Robert Morning Sky, you might tie it into what you've said here. One thing that he said was to NOT go to the light (the way we've been taught). It's a trap to reprogram us back into the enslavement system by advanced beings who know us too well....That's how we've been trapped for thousands of lifetimes here.... I think it synchronizes with what you said very well....

I think one of my situations ties in with what you've said....Every time I rebelled against something in the system, it turned out to be the best thing I could have done for myself....For instance, I abandoned ALL religions because it had become so much garbage knowledge that none of it served me.....What a weight off my shoulders that was! I've been happily on a spiritual quest ever since....
I like being a rebel. It's how I've grown the most...More people should do it....

[bearcow]

the thing that he said was to NOT go to the light (the way we've been taught). It's a trap to reprogram us back into the enslavement system by advanced beings who know us too well....That's how we've been trapped for thousands of lifetimes here....


this thread is the most disturbing one i have come across on this forum, it is really the worst spiritual advice anyone could give regarding the afterlife.

there is a control matrix on this planet but denying the astral body union with the eternal spirit is not a way to escape the cycle of rebirth.

[NancyV]

the thing that he said was to NOT go to the light (the way we've been taught). It's a trap to reprogram us back into the enslavement system by advanced beings who know us too well....That's how we've been trapped for thousands of lifetimes here....


this thread is the most disturbing one i have come across on this forum, it is really the worst spiritual advice anyone could give regarding the afterlife.

there is a control matrix on this planet but denying the astral body union with the eternal spirit is not a way to escape the cycle of rebirth.
I understand what you're saying here but unless you've actually experienced how the light can be used to trap people, either in out of body travels or in near death experiences, it's difficult to think that the LIGHT could possibly be something negative at times. In my more new age days I was a great believer in light and love, but until I experienced how beings on other dimensions can appear to you as beings of light and love but really be attempting to trap you, I wouldn't have believed myself that going into the light was possibly not a good thing.

Since I've only had a near death experience I still don't know what happens after actual death. I assume it's similar to many reports of near death experiences where there is a tunnel of light which people go into and are met by loved ones, angelic beings, etc. My near death experience was not like that. I did not give one thought to anything about my earthly life because it seemed so very insignificant compared to the greater reality. In my many years of out of body travels I also found that beings who seem to be almost godlike and glowing with "light" can be just as deceptive as those who are more obviously demonic or negative.

Because intense light is a higher frequency we are naturally drawn to it so it can be used to entrap us. The key is to wait a bit, look around, don't get pulled in the first direction that attracts you. You have all of eternity to explore when you are out of body and there is no one that will be judging you and no schedules to keep. Ultimately you will sense where the highest frequency is if you do not run to the first attractive light or high frequency as soon as you feel the pull towards it. Discernment is still needed when you leave your body or die. I also do not think there is only ONE way to unite with the Source. We can take different paths, we can explore, learn, have fun along the way. After you merge with the Source you will come back somewhere into the creation again. It's an eternal cycle between oneness and creation but when you are in the creation you are still part of the oneness.

[Hervé]

the thing that he said was to NOT go to the light (the way we've been taught). It's a trap to reprogram us back into the enslavement system by advanced beings who know us too well....That's how we've been trapped for thousands of lifetimes here....


this thread is the most disturbing one i have come across on this forum, it is really the worst spiritual advice anyone could give regarding the afterlife.

there is a control matrix on this planet but denying the astral body union with the eternal spirit is not a way to escape the cycle of rebirth.

Hi bearcow!

I understand your concern, as "going toward the light" has become the most pushed propaganda for millenia.

Consider another tack on this: That this tunnel of light is nothing more than the beam used to perform abductions by whatever ETs, militaries or whoever wants to appropriate itself some foot soldiers in this 3D.

Check this author and his website and read his experience with abductions and the"light." He comes to similar conclusions as do Roman, Nancy or Morningsky:

http://web.archive.org/web/20110208115750/http://matrixrevealed.com/

The "light" is not your spirit... YOU are it! And you are sovereign!

[bearcow]

when people see their life flash before there eyes in the near death experience, it is part of the recapitulation of the sum total experience of the astral personality back into the spirit of the individual. This accumulation of perspectives helps the spirit grow on it's own plane of existence. there are forms of light that are in the astral that are illusory which can lead to problems, but generally speaking if a person has no outstanding karmic debts to pay off, the spirit will descend to reel in it's investment, so to speak. the trick is to bind the spirit to the astral body, and at a later stage of development the etheric body, so you can become a true human being.


You have all of eternity to explore when you are out of body and there is no one that will be judging you and no schedules to keep.

Discernment is still needed when you leave your body or die
your karma will largely determine what happens to you after you die as at least 99.999 percent of humanity does not have the capacity to sustain/stabilize their waking awareness for a long period in the astral after they die. your physical/etheric body is a template and helps stabilize the capacity for conscious awareness while in the astral realm. the average former human ghost experiences reality from a more unconscious dream like perspective.

an example was given to the masses for consideration in the last star wars movie. the character qui gon jinn (notice the characters name) returned from the netherworld of the force and taught yoda and obi wan to retain their individuality after death. This is not possible for the average joe on the street. they should go to the light when they die.

[bearcow]

The "light" is not your spirit... YOU are it! And you are sovereign!

your personality is sovereign from your spirit unless you cultivate a connection between the polar opposites


Consider another tack on this: That this tunnel of light is nothing more than the beam used to perform abductions by whatever ETs, militaries or whoever wants to appropriate itself some foot soldiers in this 3D.

if this is what you earnestly believe, then so be it.

[Hervé]

[...]
...they should go to the light when they die.

... and turned into Soylent Green once again? Another name for that is "Soul Harvesting."

[PHARAOH]

ROMANWKT, You've hit this one out of the park so hard the ball has yet to drop. Mucho thanks brother.

[ROMANWKT]

"Every time we shed the mortal the mortal coil, every time we go through another life, we are taken into the light and there we are reprogrammed. ...... So with great respect, do not go to THE light, go to YOUR light."

it is your light, it is the most material aspect of your spirit

this is very important for the average person to understand.

you would be doing a great disservice to people if you convinced them that the light commonly seen in near death experiences should be stayed away from

Hi bearcow

That exactly what we should all be trying to do is to establish the truth as far as we can conscientiously, there is nobody here on earth right at this moment confirming any truth as yet, because they are dead.

[ROMANWKT]

Without light, we'd have nothing, be nothing, we'd return to the void of nothingness, return to the source...some people might see escaping to that void of nothingness as the only true liberation, the only true escaping of this prison reality...but once we escape to nothingness what is there to do, what is there to create, what is there any purpose for anything...we can all be a loving, blissful, harmonious unity but I might be the odd one out when I say that I love this game we're all playing in, if it's a prison then I just want to tip my hat to the warden and say thankyou for throwing me in a prison that has so much potential for me to create whatever experience I'd like to go through in life...and I'd like to thank the luciferians for building such a challenging society where it forces us to look for new resources inside ourselves and discover aspects of ourself that may have remained hidden if we were born somewhere more harmonious.

One of the trials our ancestors had to go through before they were allowed into the great pyramid was to dive into a pool full of crocodiles and then emerge from the water in a different place than where they went in, all the crocodiles had been fully fed so they wouldn't have been hungry enough to hunt. But the initiates didn't know that, they had to summon enough courage to dive into the water and risk being eaten alive. 7 temples, with 7 trials the intitiates had to go through, symbolising the 7 chakras of the body...should they succeed they were welcomed into the great pyramid to undergo the final trial, physical death by pyramid energy...transforming them into an immortal spirit, which could reincarnate at will or travel the cosmos. Western society has been set up in a way that we don't need to go through the various trials within the temples, the trials have been brought to our doorstep... all we have to do is step out the house and the challenges begin. I'm grateful for that, everyone is now given the opportunity to achieve enlightenment not just the select few lucky enough to be chosen by the priests.

This thought based reality has just as much potential for liberation as it does enslavement. Only those who buy into being slaves will be enslaved, those of us who know how to shape our own realities will live life on our own terms. It's all just a matter of perspective and reclaiming the power to think for yourself without being influenced by the limiting thoughts of others. If it's all just a game we may as well make our own rules and enjoy ourselves while we're here. Like Nancy said previously, being detached from the games of others allows us to play without trapping ourselves in our own games, keeping that connection to source allows us to live at our best while we're here without getting too attached to anything thereby slipping back into the cycle of rebirth.


I do not disagree with your feelings and opinion, Its the poor 99.99 % of the human race that take this crap called life so seriously, look at the suffering everywhere,its painful to all existence.

regards
roman

[ROMANWKT]

Your true state is ZERO, Nothingness by Beingness, we are now trapped, not understanding how to release ourselves from these cycles.

Is this really so? Are we not One instead? Everything else, I would generally agree with.

Yes Rahkyt
we are one, the holder of the one is just relinquishing its hold from the Matrix, where is it going??????? ------------when the Matrix requires you to return and serve.

regards
roman

[ROMANWKT]

I have just finished a first pass at the Illuminatrix material and it seems to me hardcore truth. To be honest I didn't get all the kabbalistic mumbojumbo but the general ideas are profound. Luckily I had just been reading John the Gnostic's new book in progress ( http://www.thegnosticpapers.org/ (www.thegnosticpapers.org/)) so my mind wasn't completely blown.

Question: Do you think it is necessary or even wise to study the kabbalistic stuff? Would that not be admitting the Luciferian building blocks of their thought reality into your reality?

Yes you would be participating in their manipulation of others will, so they use other plonkers to do the deeds for them as not to infringe their Karma.

regards
roman

[ROMANWKT]

when people see their life flash before there eyes in the near death experience, it is part of the recapitulation of the sum total experience of the astral personality back into the spirit of the individual. This accumulation of perspectives helps the spirit grow on it's own plane of existence. there are forms of light that are in the astral that are illusory which can lead to problems, but generally speaking if a person has no outstanding karmic debts to pay off, the spirit will descend to reel in it's investment, so to speak. the trick is to bind the spirit to the astral body, and at a later stage of development the etheric body, so you can become a true human being.


You have all of eternity to explore when you are out of body and there is no one that will be judging you and no schedules to keep.

Discernment is still needed when you leave your body or die
your karma will largely determine what happens to you after you die as at least 99.999 percent of humanity does not have the capacity to sustain/stabilize their waking awareness for a long period in the astral after they die. your physical/etheric body is a template and helps stabilize the capacity for conscious awareness while in the astral realm. the average former human ghost experiences reality from a more unconscious dream like perspective.

an example was given to the masses for consideration in the last star wars movie. the character qui gon jinn (notice the characters name) returned from the netherworld of the force and taught yoda and obi wan to retain their individuality after death. This is not possible for the average joe on the street. they should go to the light when they die.

Bearcow have you been and come back, where do you come with all this info, from what sources and what other films??????????????? what ever, you're still in the Matrix even in the astral, how far has one has to raise themselves beyond the grasp of the matrix?

regards
roman

[Jayke]

I do not disagree with your feelings and opinion, Its the poor 99.99 % of the human race that take this crap called life so seriously, look at the suffering everywhere,its painful to all existence.

regards
roman

Which is precisely why the enlightened ones, once having broken free from the matrix...always return back into it in order to teach and appease the suffering of others. From the enlightened perspective we're all one, if someone you see is suffering that means there's an aspect of you that's suffering, it's our duty as the 00.01% to stop attaching labels to experience thereby using our thoughts to shape reality. If you believe crap is synonymous with life, then life will be crap...if we're aware enough to see the gold in the bottom of the cesspit then life can be golden.

Would existence agree that it experiences pain or is it too busy existing to think about the experience it's having, it's amazing how quickly pain disappears when we just stop feeding it the energy of our attention...without thought, pain is just another sensation, sensations like the Buddhists tell us are impermanent thereby are just part of the illusion. If we remove our awareness from any concept of pain does that mean pain then ceases to exist...any decent hypnotist would tell you that appears to be so, pain only exists within the mind of the observer and by taking control and being aware of every thought that comes into our mind, we can completely erase pain and suffering out of our reality.

When you can see the joy of suffering, the beauty of pain, the richness of being poor...that's when we can really break free from the prison matrix, connect with our source and then be the architects of our own prison paradise.

[ROMANWKT]

I do not disagree with your feelings and opinion, Its the poor 99.99 % of the human race that take this crap called life so seriously, look at the suffering everywhere,its painful to all existence.

regards
roman

Which is precisely why the enlightened ones, once having broken free from the matrix...always return back into it in order to teach and appease the suffering of others. From the enlightened perspective we're all one, if someone you see is suffering that means there's an aspect of you that's suffering, it's our duty as the 00.01% to stop attaching labels to experience thereby using our thoughts to shape reality. If you believe crap is synonymous with life, then life will be crap...if we're aware enough to see the gold in the bottom of the cesspit then life can be golden.

Would existence agree that it experiences pain or is it too busy existing to think about the experience it's having, it's amazing how quickly pain disappears when we just stop feeding it the energy of our attention...without thought, pain is just another sensation, sensations like the Buddhists tell us are impermanent thereby are just part of the illusion. If we remove our awareness from any concept of pain does that mean pain then ceases to exist...any decent hypnotist would tell you that appears to be so, pain only exists within the mind of the observer and by taking control and being aware of every thought that comes into our mind, we can completely erase pain and suffering out of our reality.

When you can see the joy of suffering, the beauty of pain, the richness of being poor...that's when we can really break free from the prison matrix, connect with our source and then be the architects of our own prison paradise.

My meaning was their belief in the Matrix as being all there is that is sold to them, and they have bought it lock stock and barrel.

35 years ago I started my seeking with negative and positive thinking and the results thereof.

I always had a problem with walk-inns. We have Zero proof as well as the releasing from the matrix, mostly hearsay, and according to whom??????????

It did not change a thing for the 99% that is still unanswered by you, I know you're not an STS, so where is you're STO.?????

regards
roman

[Eternal_One]

This thread point out interesting facts, but get the conclusions in a totally 'fear' based way.

The matrix as you call it, you agreed to be part of it. If you are volunteer to go to jail, can you say you are trapped?

There is a way to get out of this matrix, but its not by 'refusing' to play and quitting the game, its by getting better at playing at it.

Understanding everything is illusion is the key for not suffering.

The matrix is teaching you, not enslaving you. Pain and all the 'crap' you see are just catalysts. Without bad there cant be any good.

Everything is a learning experience, thats how this matrix has been designed, and YOU are even the one that designed/is designing your own life.


The fact that the people in OBE or during NDE see different things? The light change shape not for deception, but because it adapt to the person belief.
Having an NDE is too a part of a learning experience. If the people then get religious crazy afterwards, its because it was the necessary catalyst for their own growth.

Saying the light should even be avoided is not something I would advice.

[ROMANWKT]

This thread point out interesting facts, but get the conclusions in a totally 'fear' based way.

The matrix as you call it, you agreed to be part of it. If you are volunteer to go to jail, can you say you are trapped?

There is a way to get out of this matrix, but its not by 'refusing' to play and quitting the game, its by getting better at playing at it.

Understanding everything is illusion is the key for not suffering.

The matrix is teaching you, not enslaving you. Pain and all the 'crap' you see are just catalysts. Without bad there cant be any good.

Everything is a learning experience, thats how this matrix has been designed, and YOU are even the one that designed/is designing your own life.


The fact that the people in OBE or during NDE see different things? The light change shape not for deception, but because it adapt to the person belief.
Having an NDE is too a part of a learning experience. If the people then get religious crazy afterwards, its because it was the necessary catalyst for their own growth.

Saying the light should even be avoided is not something I would advice.

I see you have fallen for the duality trap, and the catalyst trap, tell me something outside this. you're well read thats all I see as myself, you're in auto mode. I am in the process of abandoning all the auto crap that I had absorbed over the years.look around you.

regards
roman

[Eternal_One]

look around you.

regards
roman

Stop looking around you, but start looking inside.

[ROMANWKT]

look around you.

regards
roman

Stop looking around you, but start looking inside.

I have done long before you were born, all your answers are according to whom.

regards
roman

[Jayke]

[QUOTE=Jayke;268575]

My meaning was their belief in the Matrix as being all there is that is sold to them, and they have bought it lock stock and barrel.

35 years ago I started my seeking with negative and positive thinking and the results thereof.

I always had a problem with walk-inns. We have Zero proof as well as the releasing from the matrix, mostly hearsay, and according to whom??????????

It did not change a thing for the 99% that is still unanswered by you, I know you're not an STS, so where is you're STO.?????

regards
roman

At a certain point service to self (I'm guessing that's what STS meant) and Service to others just becomes service to source, the two are interlinked, by freeing ourselves from the shackles of tyranny...it inspires others to liberate themselves also.

[ROMANWKT]

[QUOTE=Jayke;268575]

My meaning was their belief in the Matrix as being all there is that is sold to them, and they have bought it lock stock and barrel.

35 years ago I started my seeking with negative and positive thinking and the results thereof.

I always had a problem with walk-inns. We have Zero proof as well as the releasing from the matrix, mostly hearsay, and according to whom??????????

It did not change a thing for the 99% that is still unanswered by you, I know you're not an STS, so where is you're STO.?????

regards
roman

At a certain point service to self (I'm guessing that's what STS meant) and Service to others just becomes service to source, the two are interlinked, by freeing ourselves from the shackles of tyranny...it inspires others to liberate themselves also.

You have to prove source, if it is, or is not you?
My biggest point here is not to have a dig at you, it is that we are all just parrots here, and we have as humanity not moved on even with all the so called knowledge.

STS STO correct

regards
roman

[Maia Gabrial]

Dear NancyV,
Thank you for sharing your personal experiences on this subject. And you've said it better than I could backed by your NDE.
George Kavassilas says that on the higher levels of the 4th dimension, the beings can switch from dark to light to suit their purposes which means whatever it takes to trap a being....Robert Morning Sky says that people can be tricked with promises of love, peace and loved ones waiting for them at the end of the tunnel....The whole thing is getting them to go to the light any way possible....I admit that this idea takes a person out of their comfy zone big time.

[Ponta]

I'm fascinated by the whole reinsertion into the matrix. This is something I've been thinking about alot, and have noticed a few symbols particularly this one that has confirmed this aspect of our reality for me. Why would there be a hexagram in the negative space of the "recycle" sign? How about to associate one of the most powerful subconscious symbols with the idea of going around and around so that it just seems "natural" when we die and our mind is drastically searching for meaning to attach to what it's perceiving? "Oh? I'm supposed to go back again to learn my lesson and complete my cycle? oh that seems right...."

http://www.clean-energy-ideas.com/recycle/media/recycling_logo.png

[ROMANWKT]

I'm fascinated by the whole reinsertion into the matrix. This is something I've been thinking about alot, and have noticed a few symbols particularly this one that has confirmed this aspect of our reality for me. Why would there be a hexagram in the negative space of the "recycle" sign? How about to associate one of the most powerful subconscious symbols with the idea of going around and around so that it just seems "natural" when we die and our mind is drastically searching for meaning to attach to what it's perceiving? "Oh? I'm supposed to go back again to learn my lesson and complete my cycle? oh that seems right...."

http://www.clean-energy-ideas.com/recycle/media/recycling_logo.png

Hi Ponta
I think you are on the right track, they had been preparing us for thousands of years for an Armageddon, floods, new dawn, catastrophes, you name it, and we are in it hook line and sinker, look at our forum, we are doing their work for them daily here, no wonder we are allowed by them to say what we want, it all has the right programing, even on the release of the body they had already told you that you will go to some haven if you good and hell if you are a bad slave for them, we are and have been subliminally bombarded from birth.

I do not think that we are awake as we think we are.http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-6226036544608625413

Good comment Ponta
regards
roman

[ROMANWKT]

I have been getting some vibes from people thinking that I am some spiritual nut.
I have had 38 different kind of jobs I can prove it with my tax reports. I have seeked knowledge by learning as many different things that interested me as a young guy.

I have only been fired once and that was not my fault as I was protecting a guy that was being bullied daily in this establishment, I have always left at my accord when I got the gist of what was what. I look at the people who have worked in these places a long time and look at the life style they lead and the cars that they drive, literally all were being ripped off, and their jobs now had them by their goolies.

When I was 30 years old I was introduced to the mystery of negative and positive polarity thinking, that started the whole quest for me to find what the hell was all this about, and my relation to outside of myself as called reality.

It had been a hell of a journey that cost me personally my social life and my first marriage. (No children thank your God, hes/shes it’s not mine).

I have never stopped, but on many occasions wanted to badly, for it had almost destroyed everything that was then important to me.

35 years ago, I became a bodyguard / professional driver. I still do this work today, look at my picture, you wouldn’t think so, and I still got my nose and teeth.

The money was good, (its not now) and I enjoyed many things, good perks.

I first started under contract with the MOD (ministry of defence) UK for the USA navy all star generals driving them about and military airports and always governor square and the USA embassy.
I left and then went private with Middle Eastern Royal families

In my days, I used to drive many celebrities, for top of the pops, film premiers and House of Lords parliament, you name it and our team was there.

My Job description is that I drive fancy cars, and fancy people.

I have now been with a High Society Middle Eastern family (privately) for 23 years; I am still there and working. I do get lots of time off to pursue the knowledge and truth, as they travel a lot and I am now also responsible for their interest here in the UK.

Now why am I telling you this, I am just an ordinary guy trying to find the truth which has been my burn for a long time, and I cant find it, because it does not exist, well not the way we are thought about our reality and beyond, there is so much dis-info and speculation, and so much parrot fashion repetitive nonsense, that I really do doubt that anybody knows all, in this realm while alive.

There are people more gifted than me with getting and figuring out historical and ancient knowledge where we do see some truths popping out, that cover an extraordinary psychological ploy against humanity, we need to find out and make the changes, how many paradigms must a person go though to get to some level of actual truth.

I invite you all to contribute any way shape or form, but I wish to use discretion in the conversation, big time, but with respect, I dearly do not wish to offend anybody, and if I had I apologise.

I would like you all to see this short video, which has resonated with me, as I have found this information long time ago, but this guy put it so well its worth watching and listening.

Also its up to you all to follow on if you wish with his website which he put ancient subliminal that has programmed our reality by the hands of the controllers for thousands of years.

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-6226036544608625413

My regards to you all in pursuit of knowledge
roman

[<8>]

Dear Romanwkt..

I am happy that you found this knowledge to be the right path to walk for you.
I guess you suggest this info is true or maby parts of it?

[ROMANWKT]

Dear Romanwkt..

I am happy that you found this knowledge to be the right path to walk for you.
I guess you suggest this info is true or maby parts of it?

Hi 8

No sir I seek no path or doctrine,I seek the truth.

When I said it had resonated with me was the part of global subliminal programing which would be part of our subconscious consensus to our reality unknowingly, by the controllers of the Matrix.

And which part did not resonate with you???? is the purpose of this thread.

please read one of my other post http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15834-Its-all-nonsense-part-1
my regards
roman

[<8>]

Hi there again..

I only askt if this info was true or perhaps parts of it..

I dont judge. I only are a bit Curious how you look at this.

[bearcow]

Bearcow have you been and come back, where do you come with all this info, from what sources and what other films??????????????? what ever, you're still in the Matrix even in the astral, how far has one has to raise themselves beyond the grasp of the matrix?


i have studied from a master who was dead for 3 days and came back like christ supposedly did. This process is known in christian terms as the transfiguration. There is a technical reason for 3 days, it supposedly takes at least this long for the hun, the primal part of the astral body to "putrefy" and allow the phoenix to rise from the ashes, so to speak. he taught me to draw the spirit back into the astral/etheric/physical body. the method is called ling bao bi fa. this is not the only way to break the chains of rebirth, however.

[Hervé]

... this is not the only way to break the chains of rebirth, however.


:lock1::dance::lock1:

[Calz]

the thing that he said was to NOT go to the light (the way we've been taught). It's a trap to reprogram us back into the enslavement system by advanced beings who know us too well....That's how we've been trapped for thousands of lifetimes here....


this thread is the most disturbing one i have come across on this forum, it is really the worst spiritual advice anyone could give regarding the afterlife.

there is a control matrix on this planet but denying the astral body union with the eternal spirit is not a way to escape the cycle of rebirth.

Hi bearcow!

I understand your concern, as "going toward the light" has become the most pushed propaganda for millenia.

Consider another tack on this: That this tunnel of light is nothing more than the beam used to perform abductions by whatever ETs, militaries or whoever wants to appropriate itself some foot soldiers in this 3D.

Check this author and his website and read his experience with abductions and the"light." He comes to similar conclusions as do Roman, Nancy or Morningsky
:

http://www.matrixrevealed.com./

The "light" is not your spirit... YOU are it! And you are sovereign!

I can only offer 2nd hand material on this.

The Matrix book series (coincidental name to the thread?) by Val V. suggests in volume V (5) much the same as is suggested here.

Don't follow the light.

Suggests the light and the dark are alike in that there are souls that experience life in a linear fashion vs those that experience lives concurrently.

He suggests the light and dark both do not want us (humans who experience many lives at once) to advance beyond those who retain memories (unlike us) yet have a linear sequence to their lives.

No idea. Just passing along as it seems to fit with this thread.

[ROMANWKT]

Hi there again..

I only askt if this info was true or perhaps parts of it..

I dont judge. I only are a bit Curious how you look at this.

Hi 8
I see we have a bit of a language problem, I sorry on my part.

I will tell you how I look at it by my understanding, the only value we have to the controllers of the matrix is that we unknowingly support the very Matrix that we are caught in, they use our power of creation that we all have , to sustain the illusion, they do this by subliminal suggestion on a global basis, creating their empire here by our creative capacity subconsciously,everything from education to spiritual teaching are geared to sustain the whole illusion by our ignorance of the workings of the illusionary Matrix. its subliminal and and subconscious, and we the humanity are the power behind it.

They are playing a very risky game if they follow the Georgia Guide stone of 500 million people, as they will create such darkness in this illusionary realm like they had never seen before, its all supported by all of us unknowingly, if people released themselves from the matrix, their illusionary empire collapses, they will not allow that, and many had said that they wait for dying people in the astral to bring them back, we are their power source.

There is more, there is always more

regards to you 8

roman

[ROMANWKT]

Bearcow have you been and come back, where do you come with all this info, from what sources and what other films??????????????? what ever, you're still in the Matrix even in the astral, how far has one has to raise themselves beyond the grasp of the matrix?


i have studied from a master who was dead for 3 days and came back like christ supposedly did. This process is known in christian terms as the transfiguration. There is a technical reason for 3 days, it supposedly takes at least this long for the hun, the primal part of the astral body to "putrefy" and allow the phoenix to rise from the ashes, so to speak. he taught me to draw the spirit back into the astral/etheric/physical body. the method is called ling bao bi fa. this is not the only way to break the chains of rebirth, however.

Hi bearcow
Your studies and information are very interesting and I wish you expanded on your knowledge here, the floor is yours, it also sound that you are dealing with the old Christian teaching which is not the corrupt one as is now.are you following Gnosis. You are sticking to your understanding hard and fast, good, please explain more.

regards to you
roman

[ROMANWKT]

... this is not the only way to break the chains of rebirth, however.


:lock1::dance::lock1:

Hi Amzer Zo

Yes I agree if that's what you mean that there are many ways to the same result, the problem is, what result, and according to whom is the conclusion and the outcome that a result will be attained, when we have problems comprehending our reality here, never mind being in full mental control in the astral??

There are literally hundreds of ways to go nowhere.

regards
roman

[Tony]

It is for everyone to look for their path home, only to realise they are already there. Going nowhere in now here.

[ROMANWKT]

It is for everyone to look for their path home, only to realise they are already there. Going nowhere in now here.

Thank you pie'n'eal

That's really whats its all about, love the way you expressed that truths in your thread,http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?25953-Courage-to-go-beyond-vanity. all starts from Zero, its always there, its the real now. all else is imposed by ourselves and others.

Regards to you as always
roman

[greybeard]

Nothing ever happened- only the mind "moves"
Chris

[ROMANWKT]

Nothing ever happened- only the mind "moves"
Chris

Thank you Chris

Yes exactly so, all is mind and mind is all there is, the rest I will leave for you Chris to fill in the blanks.

My regards to you Chris as always
roman

[Jayke]

You have to prove source, if it is, or is not you?
My biggest point here is not to have a dig at you, it is that we are all just parrots here, and we have as humanity not moved on even with all the so called knowledge.

regards
roman

Feel free to dig a little deeper roman...it's through the digging that we uncover the hidden treasures. humanity is moving all the time, escaping the cycles of rebirth is something that all religions had at their core before they were perverted by the wannabe controllers...all I'm saying is that not all of this reality is controlled by them, they by no means have won the complete indoctrination of our souls, we still have choice and the free will to exercise those choices. People escape from the matrix all the time, to prove source you only have to look at things like Tesla who proved source in a scientific way to create free energy devices, Buddhism is science of the mind guiding the way back to source, the book kyballion by three initiates outlines the seven constants that exist within source. Alchemy is the science of breaking free of the matrix and becoming one with source. Every spiritual tradition and every enlightened master at the core say the same things, they all say source exists and give us guidance on how to connect/become one with it. The only person you have to prove source to is yourself and as you find that proof within yourself your mind slips into a completely new paradigm of what's possible within this matrix reality...

All these sciences and philosophies have been suppressed or distorted by the wannabe rulers...this is the information they fear because they know it's what is going to wake people up to the possibility of who or what we really are. It's only the ego aspect of mind that sees the world in a static state, to say humanity isn't moving is a perception of the static mind, once you tap into the mind of possibility then you begin to see the matrix in a whole new way...humanity like everything else moves in cycles, seeing a humanity that isn't moving is seeing a humanity based on the projections of ones own ego, I'd agree that polarity thinking is a waste of time, obviously polar opposites cancel each other out, there's nothing creative in a perfect balance of opposite thought. There is a way to overcome this polarity of thinking in order to create our reality in a more efficient way but i'll save it for another post, requires a bit more depth to go into and i've gone over it on the forum already

I enjoyed your thread on releasing, I discovered releasing several years and spent about 4 years in a constant state of release until I discovered that empty nothingness of no thought, no attachment, no emotion...that place of empty liberation, while in that state though I recognised that there was something missing, releasing into nothingness is not enough for the human spirit, it's in our innate ability to create or allowing creation to flow through us that we find the most joy...life is a process of release and create, breathe in and breathe out. Alchemy is actually very similar to releasing although it adds one extra step...instead of releasing energy outside of ourselves, it understands that everything out there is actually in here...so instead of releasing that energy they actually reclaim it, take ownership of it, process it and transform it...cycle it back into ourselves in a purified state that adds new energy to our being. Through this we create and release in the same cycle of movement. escaping the void, opting out of the matrix is only one part of this cycle...at some point we have to return from that nothingness and start to transform the matrix, purify it and reclaim it as our own creation. Only then can we experience freedom in it's true dynamic, empty and unified state.

[<8>]

Hi ...

Thanks for replaying.

What you wrote i agree 100% 1 thing i have been thinking about is that they gonna kill the most of us. (well the stones say it) And i know all about the slow killing in the air food water and so on.
But if you think about it, they hade the last 50 years to do it, if you think about the tecknologi and what they have done in a small scale. (well in there eyes anyway) They are and have been masters of making wars all over the world . All i say is that i got a feeling they like to kill a few millions here and there and suggest to the rest it is right and scare them through suggestions. That we can die the next min if we not giv away the last freedom we have left.

I suggest they (or something they serve) feed of fear, and thats why we have the history we have and what we see to day. If they realy whant to kill us all, or 80% or whatever. We be dead in a few min whid there new weapons of to day.

P.s I take that as a (yes) :P

[ROMANWKT]

You have to prove source, if it is, or is not you?
My biggest point here is not to have a dig at you, it is that we are all just parrots here, and we have as humanity not moved on even with all the so called knowledge.

regards
roman

Feel free to dig a little deeper roman...it's through the digging that we uncover the hidden treasures. humanity is moving all the time, escaping the cycles of rebirth is something that all religions had at their core before they were perverted by the wannabe controllers...all I'm saying is that not all of this reality is controlled by them, they by no means have won the complete indoctrination of our souls, we still have choice and the free will to exercise those choices. People escape from the matrix all the time, to prove source you only have to look at things like Tesla who proved source in a scientific way to create free energy devices, Buddhism is science of the mind guiding the way back to source, the book kyballion by three initiates outlines the seven constants that exist within source. Alchemy is the science of breaking free of the matrix and becoming one with source. Every spiritual tradition and every enlightened master at the core say the same things, they all say source exists and give us guidance on how to connect/become one with it. The only person you have to prove source to is yourself and as you find that proof within yourself your mind slips into a completely new paradigm of what's possible within this matrix reality...

All these sciences and philosophies have been suppressed or distorted by the wannabe rulers...this is the information they fear because they know it's what is going to wake people up to the possibility of who or what we really are. It's only the ego aspect of mind that sees the world in a static state, to say humanity isn't moving is a perception of the static mind, once you tap into the mind of possibility then you begin to see the matrix in a whole new way...humanity like everything else moves in cycles, seeing a humanity that isn't moving is seeing a humanity based on the projections of ones own ego, I'd agree that polarity thinking is a waste of time, obviously polar opposites cancel each other out, there's nothing creative in a perfect balance of opposite thought. There is a way to overcome this polarity of thinking in order to create our reality in a more efficient way but i'll save it for another post, requires a bit more depth to go into and i've gone over it on the forum already

I enjoyed your thread on releasing, I discovered releasing several years and spent about 4 years in a constant state of release until I discovered that empty nothingness of no thought, no attachment, no emotion...that place of empty liberation, while in that state though I recognised that there was something missing, releasing into nothingness is not enough for the human spirit, it's in our innate ability to create or allowing creation to flow through us that we find the most joy...life is a process of release and create, breathe in and breathe out. Alchemy is actually very similar to releasing although it adds one extra step...instead of releasing energy outside of ourselves, it understands that everything out there is actually in here...so instead of releasing that energy they actually reclaim it, take ownership of it, process it and transform it...cycle it back into ourselves in a purified state that adds new energy to our being. Through this we create and release in the same cycle of movement. escaping the void, opting out of the matrix is only one part of this cycle...at some point we have to return from that nothingness and start to transform the matrix, purify it and reclaim it as our own creation. Only then can we experience freedom in it's true dynamic, empty and unified state.


Bravo Jayke

That was wonderfully put and expressed, yes I understand what you are saying and agree with it all, I really cannot disagree with anybody, once I know their understanding, and from that point then It really is their free choice to believe and move in any direction that they choose, and long as they hurt no one or interfere with others will. You may accuse me of interfering with people by pushing this type of information down their throats, but I beg you to understand why? You have a very good understanding, I will leave it at that. BUT the 99% will affect your presence here as their consensus given freely in ignorance overrides the power of !%, but should not on a personal basis.

I understand where you are coming from on the releasing, the emptiness and a void that can occur. That should of left you with the power to create as the spirit drives you, for we are creative beings as you put it. I don't know if you took the advantage of creating what you wanted, or had you still resistance to your object of desire. 5 point has to be tested at all period of focused manifesting. 1 check attachment, 2 check aversion, 3 check approval, 4 check control, 5 check security/safety/survival, any of these 5 will interfere with ones manifestation.

As I said at the beginning of this thread that I was going to write part 2 on how to manifest properly and with understanding in the Matrix,but at the moment everybody here is being bombarded at whats suppose to be coming in the next few months.

Thank you for your contribution Jayke
My regards to you
roman

[bearcow]

Nothing ever happened- only the mind "moves"
Chris

perhaps rather than say the mind moves, it would be clearer to say that it reverts back to it's natural state of being. the mind does not move, the 4 primordial elements dissolve back into the the 5th, and pure unimpeded awareness comes into being. This is more about enlightenment though, one does not have to become enlightened to no longer be reborn. the master john chang is not enlightened, however he is powerful enough that he can choose or not choose to be reborn on this planet. they are really 2 different states of achievement. enlightenment is far more difficult to reach.

[ROMANWKT]

Hi ...

Thanks for replaying.

What you wrote i agree 100% 1 thing i have been thinking about is that they gonna kill the most of us. (well the stones say it) And i know all about the slow killing in the air food water and so on.
But if you think about it, they hade the last 50 years to do it, if you think about the tecknologi and what they have done in a small scale. (well in there eyes anyway) They are and have been masters of making wars all over the world . All i say is that i got a feeling they like to kill a few millions here and there and suggest to the rest it is right and scare them through suggestions. That we can die the next min if we not giv away the last freedom we have left.

I suggest they (or something they serve) feed of fear, and thats why we have the history we have and what we see to day. If they realy whant to kill us all, or 80% or whatever. We be dead in a few min whid there new weapons of to day.

P.s I take that as a (yes) :P

That is a Yes 8 I agree

The world wide organization has had 60 years to build their cities underground all over the world, it has taken them that time to control all food ,energy,medication,etc. the technology they had then would of wiped them out, so they were not ready to use it, now they are and as you said 8 the target is 80% removal, to run their illusory empire.

They have been murdering people for thousand of years, they are getting ready for the ending of this great cycle. and yes they have and do create fear and suffering, which without that they have poor control in in directing humanity down the sewer.

It has been said that this planet is a chicken farm and we are the chickens to do as they will, probability of alien interference from the very start of humanity and so the experiment goes on, but we are slowly catching up with the understanding of whats going on, maybe a little to slow??

I by now have little problem in dying, but I do have a problem in returning to this illusory crap empire that they wish to create. NOT INTERESTED, PERIOD.


Thank you 8 for your comments very interesting
My regards to you
roman

[Hervé]

... this is not the only way to break the chains of rebirth, however.





:lock1::dance::lock1:


Hi Amzer Zo

Yes I agree if that's what you mean that there are many ways to the same result, the problem is, what result, and according to whom is the conclusion and the outcome that a result will be attained, when we have problems comprehending our reality here, never mind being in full mental control in the astral??

There are literally hundreds of ways to go nowhere.

regards
roman

... and getting there (nowhere) fast!

Initially I was just hinting at: How come there is that chain of rebirths that needs to be broken if it is something "one agrees to..." yada dada daya...? :jester:

[<8>]

Hi Romanwkt..

This is maby of topic... But if you not heard this from Jordan Maxwell, how he see the world to day. I think he describes the world we live in to day in a great way.
I recommend this.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaaE_3h6N54
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaaE_3h6N54

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

Nothingness, just complete darkness.
This could explain why folk who have been asked what did they see when they died.

But, if there was nothing, how come they can remember?
I think, there for I am.

It doesn't add up.
Existing in complete darkness, silence with not a single thought but full of love & all knowing. Sounds like a huge contradiction to me.

[ROMANWKT]

Hi Romanwkt..

This is maby of topic... But if you not heard this from Jordan Maxwell, how he see the world to day. I think he describes the world we live in to day in a great way.
I recommend this.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaaE_3h6N54
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaaE_3h6N54

Thank you 8

I have followed Jordan for many years, and last year bought all his files that he collected for years in his computer, I like him and his work, but he has no answers for me, and I don't trust him. His basic last find was the absolute proof that there will be a NEW DAWN and that the Vatican and the Illuminati have been in the collusion for hundreds of years to bring this about, to me he is part of the dis-info. he is not what he show himself to be.

Thank you and regards
roman

[ROMANWKT]

Nothingness, just complete darkness.
This could explain why folk who have been asked what did they see when they died.

But, if there was nothing, how come they can remember?
I think, there for I am.

It doesn't add up.
Existing in complete darkness, silence with not a single thought but full of love & all knowing. Sounds like a huge contradiction to me.

Hi Bryn ap Gwilym

All is a contradiction to what we have been thought, I think there fore I am is your ego which is created by you in this realm the Matrix, when they died they were in the astral realm the matrix.

There is no nothing there is the state of beingness, a state of purity, a state of all that is.

regards to you
roman

[ROMANWKT]

Hi all, to continue,

All light belongs to the matrix, its a corruption so is your love, as love ,expressed love. There are over 3,500 chemicals in your factory the brain, its part of your senses and there are more that 5, your emotions are part of the illisionary makeup in the matrix, your FEELING trigger the chemicals for love and emotion, all masters teaching regards emotion as a block,false and corruption of your being. and books written by many famous authors stating that we the humans are a envy of the alien species is nonsense and set us apart for our not weakness but corruptibility from our own chemical factory, the brain that is responsible for all the illusions and all the spiritual delusions experienced by man. We all therefore believe in our spiritual delusion as something real and true, there is no such thing a divine or divinity or any such thing , it was introduced to us by some religious grovelling of something being mightier than us, a chemical experience to propagate a realm of some nonsense holiness that is just a creation and assisted by your mind.

SO WHAT DO YOU THINK???

regards to all
roman

[Jayke]

I think you've summed it up pretty well, I got to ask though...beyond the matrix, what else is there?

[ROMANWKT]

I think you've summed it up pretty well, I got to ask though...beyond the matrix, what else is there?

Why has there to be something else??????

Hi Jayke, my regards
roman

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

If there is a matrix & that is an illusion then something must be beyond the illusion.

[Jayke]

Why has there to be something else??????

Hi Jayke, my regards
roman

Why has there to be a matrix? what happens when the veil is lifted?

[ROMANWKT]

Why has there to be something else??????

Hi Jayke, my regards
roman

Why has there to be a matrix? what happens when the veil is lifted?

I was just about to just say "the truth" and my daughter replied behind me with "mindlessness" and she is only 14 years old, not bad I think, and that will probably piss some off.

regards
roman

¤=[Post Update]=¤


If there is a matrix & that is an illusion then something must be beyond the illusion.

same as above

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

"mindlessness"

You could be right, but then again you could be so far off the mark that you are in a totally different multi-verse.
Being brought in existence by an observer with idle hands created thought. This can not be undone for information is forever, only the personality can extinguished, so mindlessness can never be obtained again.

[ROMANWKT]

"mindlessness"

You could be right, but then again you could be so far off the mark that you are in a totally different multi-verse.
Being brought in existence by an observer with idle hands created thought. This can not be undone for information is forever, only the personality can extinguished, so mindlessness can never be obtained again.

All the great minds in quantum say that energy cannot be destroyed but can be changed, we are energy, whats the change, anybody here Knows???????

regards Bryn ap Gwilym
roman

[Dawn]

ROMANWKT: the video link above is a dead end. Could you check and repost it? Meanwhile I'd like to comment on the following quote from Robert Morningsky:

"Every time we shed the mortal the mortal coil, every time we go through another life, we are taken into the light and there we are reprogrammed. ...... So with great respect, do not go to THE light, go to YOUR light."

I personally spend a lot of time just being in a place where there is no apparent light. In this place there are rich thick fluids which arise, flow, and dissolve again. In this place there is simply flow. Is it light? Is is energy? I don't question what it is when there. And there is no 'going to' it... it is simply there and I find my awareness to be within it. I think instructions to 'go to your own light' are misleading, because since you simply ARE... where would you GO? Being still, just BEING allows me to simply be aware of what is always there.

I have died a couple of times in this life, and during one of these times I viewed a reality that was created to serve those who wished for a Christian Heaven. In this reality everyone was worshiping a being who had set himself up to appear to look as though he was the ONE CHRIST. I knew as I saw it, that it was a trap to be avoided (by me) at all costs. However, those who were participating in it seemed quite happy with their choice to be there.

So, if someone chooses a trap they wish to experience... is this a problem? However, for those of us who have decided to leave this particular trap... well that is what this discussion is all about.

[HORIZONS]

the thing that he said was to NOT go to the light (the way we've been taught). It's a trap to reprogram us back into the enslavement system by advanced beings who know us too well....That's how we've been trapped for thousands of lifetimes here....


this thread is the most disturbing one i have come across on this forum, it is really the worst spiritual advice anyone could give regarding the afterlife.

there is a control matrix on this planet but denying the astral body union with the eternal spirit is not a way to escape the cycle of rebirth.

Hi bearcow!

I understand your concern, as "going toward the light" has become the most pushed propaganda for millenia.

Consider another tack on this: That this tunnel of light is nothing more than the beam used to perform abductions by whatever ETs, militaries or whoever wants to appropriate itself some foot soldiers in this 3D.

Check this author and his website and read his experience with abductions and the"light." He comes to similar conclusions as do Roman, Nancy or Morningsky
:

http://www.matrixrevealed.com./

The "light" is not your spirit... YOU are it! And you are sovereign!

I can only offer 2nd hand material on this.

The Matrix book series (coincidental name to the thread?) by Val V. suggests in volume V (5) much the same as is suggested here.

Don't follow the light.

Suggests the light and the dark are alike in that there are souls that experience life in a linear fashion vs those that experience lives concurrently.

He suggests the light and dark both do not want us (humans who experience many lives at once) to advance beyond those who retain memories (unlike us) yet have a linear sequence to their lives.

No idea. Just passing along as it seems to fit with this thread.

My thoughts exactly - The M5 materials have been arising in my thoughts as I am reading through this thread - and in fact many of the threads on Avalon. The perspective of an M5 understanding changes how you view many things - thus a Conscious Observer of the times seems to be a good place to be.

[Jayke]

Gotta love the kids roman, full of wisdom, no wonder the would be rulers do their best to keep them suppressed


So, if someone chooses a trap they wish to experience... is this a problem? However, for those of us who have decided to leave this particular trap... well that is what this discussion is all about.

I'm just curious Abundant Traveller, if say you're a person who has decided to leave this particular trap...what are your intentions for choosing to leave? what experiences have you been through that would make you want to bow out with grace and respect? Does it come from a place of wanting to give up or just a feeling that you no longer need it anymore?

[Calz]

the thing that he said was to NOT go to the light (the way we've been taught). It's a trap to reprogram us back into the enslavement system by advanced beings who know us too well....That's how we've been trapped for thousands of lifetimes here....


this thread is the most disturbing one i have come across on this forum, it is really the worst spiritual advice anyone could give regarding the afterlife.

there is a control matrix on this planet but denying the astral body union with the eternal spirit is not a way to escape the cycle of rebirth.

Hi bearcow!

I understand your concern, as "going toward the light" has become the most pushed propaganda for millenia.

Consider another tack on this: That this tunnel of light is nothing more than the beam used to perform abductions by whatever ETs, militaries or whoever wants to appropriate itself some foot soldiers in this 3D.

Check this author and his website and read his experience with abductions and the"light." He comes to similar conclusions as do Roman, Nancy or Morningsky
:

http://www.matrixrevealed.com./

The "light" is not your spirit... YOU are it! And you are sovereign!

I can only offer 2nd hand material on this.

The Matrix book series (coincidental name to the thread?) by Val V. suggests in volume V (5) much the same as is suggested here.

Don't follow the light.

Suggests the light and the dark are alike in that there are souls that experience life in a linear fashion vs those that experience lives concurrently.

He suggests the light and dark both do not want us (humans who experience many lives at once) to advance beyond those who retain memories (unlike us) yet have a linear sequence to their lives.

No idea. Just passing along as it seems to fit with this thread.

My thoughts exactly - The M5 materials have been arising in my thoughts as I am reading through this thread - and in fact many of the threads on Avalon. The perspective of an M5 understanding changes how you view many things - thus a Conscious Observer of the times seems to be a good place to be.

That was a tough one. You work on overcoming any fear of death because it is clear the soul goes on. All those NDEs coming back with amazing information. Just follow the Light ... just follow the light ...

Finally get to that space then WHAMMO. :frusty:

As mentioned I really have no idea. :noidea: Not suggesting that as a "reality" for anyone else. Up to each to cross whatever bridge they come to along their own chosen path.

Great thread Roman. Lots to chew on.

[<8>]

Dear friend..

I think Jordan Maxwell are 1 of the most important eye opener in this world. And most of the big names out there now use his work to open peoples eyes. In short, i think it is a first step to open your eyes Jordan helps. After that you have to work wid your self..
And if you meen that he is a dis-info for that he think that it is no hope for humans? I think if you spend 50 years study like he has, i can understand why he thinks that. Look at the world and its history.
Jordan have not moved on. And i think we can all be happy for that.

Me personally take what feels right for me from people, Bad or God.. There is allways some truth i can use..

[ROMANWKT]

ROMANWKT: the video link above is a dead end. Could you check and repost it? Meanwhile I'd like to comment on the following quote from Robert Morningsky:

"Every time we shed the mortal the mortal coil, every time we go through another life, we are taken into the light and there we are reprogrammed. ...... So with great respect, do not go to THE light, go to YOUR light."

I personally spend a lot of time just being in a place where there is no apparent light. In this place there are rich thick fluids which arise, flow, and dissolve again. In this place there is simply flow. Is it light? Is is energy? I don't question what it is when there. And there is no 'going to' it... it is simply there and I find my awareness to be within it. I think instructions to 'go to your own light' are misleading, because since you simply ARE... where would you GO? Being still, just BEING allows what me to simply be aware of what is always there.

I have died a couple of times in this life, and during one of these times I viewed a reality that was created to serve those who wished for a Christian Heaven. In this reality everyone was worshiping a being who had set himself up to appear to look as though he was the ONE CHRIST. I knew as I saw it that it was a trap to be avoided (by me) at all costs. However, those who were participating in it seemed quite happy with their choice to be there.

So, if someone chooses a trap they wish to experience... is this a problem? However, for those of us who have decided to leave this particular trap... well that is what this discussion is all about.


Hi The Abundant Traveler

Firstly I had checked every single link in this thread and they all seem to work perfectly for me, so I don't know what the problem with your access, I hope it starts working for you.

You are the third person in this thread to mention the very same line from morningsky, I have as yet not seen the video, but have the link here in this thread, I will watch it, but i am holding back for a reason.

The reason being that I am So interested in what you have to say than morningsky, I have no books, no written note pads, I have absolutely no information of what I had gathered over the years in my possession,I have read just about everything, and seen mostly all that I wanted or needed to see, and I just about heard it all, most if not all the information that I get here is so repetitive to me, that all that is left is personal experiences of other people as yourself.
I carry this jigsaw in my mind and all I have collected to have some provable golden nuggets of knowledge, and am putting these pieces together from a beginning to an end.

Unless morningsky had died as you had then I will listen to possible new account of his experience.


I personally spend a lot of time just being in a place where there is no apparent light. In this place there are rich thick fluids which arise, flow, and dissolve again. In this place there is simply flow. Is it light? Is is energy? I don't question what it is when there. And there is no 'going to' it... it is simply there and I find my awareness to be within it. I think instructions to 'go to your own light' are misleading, because since you simply ARE... where would you GO? Being still, just BEING allows what me to simply be aware of what is always there.

I envy your control and the experience you had, I envy your awareness in the experience. the difficulty here is were you on the outside looking in. or mindful of not controlling events in mind still locked in the matrix. I would say you were still within the matrix.

Your awareness of the people worshiping is wonderful, and yes that would of been their choice, but we are here to assert not whats right or wrong, but what is.

Would you of said that these entities knew the difference of what is, even though they were happy to continue with their illusion and delusion of an mental construct reality.

Did you have any empathy for them being totally oblivious to a doctrined program.

I would like to know more about how you felt and where you were and are.

Very interesting experience thank you and regards to you
roman

[ROMANWKT]

Dear friend..

I think Jordan Maxwell are 1 of the most important eye opener in this world. And most of the big names out there now use his work to open peoples eyes. In short, i think it is a first step to open your eyes Jordan helps. After that you have to work wid your self..
And if you meen that he is a dis-info for that he think that it is no hope for humans? I think if you spend 50 years study like he has, i can understand why he thinks that. Look at the world and its history.
Jordan have not moved on. And i think we can all be happy for that.

Me personally take what feels right for me from people, Bad or God.. There is allways some truth i can use..

Like I said 8 I like the guy and his work which i followed him for years with his religious and occult disclosures, and I know about his work in other field that people had used him for many years without thanks, but the man lacks depth for me, yes he found and explained, there was always something missing that he could of moved a person on to real truth, and not disclosure only, he seems to have noting to say outside that for me, I will not tell you why I distrust him, it does not belong here.

Thank you for your interest 8 and my regards
roman

[Davidallany]

I know that this is not for everyone, but I'd like to suggest that since one lives in this reality, one needs to eliminate shackles one by one to the path of freedom.
The human body is dependent on few things for survival, food is the most important thing, water then shelter then clothes. For these necessities one is made to work most of the time doing something not interesting, but necessary to survive.

The security or insecurity of having food, for oneself is a hindrance to a large step towards freedom from the construct, of course there is water and shelter to also need. But one step at a time.
For those interested I suggest Sun-gazing techniques, these techniques will eventually eliminate all needs to ingest food, thus freeing one from the need to work long hours as a slave in exchange for paper money and imaginary credit, that buys Genetically Engineered poisoned food. Please for those interested check out the thread related. The Matrix is here, it's real and solutions are presenting themselves at an increasing frequency.

[NancyV]

"Every time we shed the mortal the mortal coil, every time we go through another life, we are taken into the light and there we are reprogrammed. ...... So with great respect, do not go to THE light, go to YOUR light."

I personally spend a lot of time just being in a place where there is no apparent light. In this place there are rich thick fluids which arise, flow, and dissolve again. In this place there is simply flow. Is it light? Is is energy? I don't question what it is when there. And there is no 'going to' it... it is simply there and I find my awareness to be within it. I think instructions to 'go to your own light' are misleading, because since you simply ARE... where would you GO? Being still, just BEING allows me to simply be aware of what is always there.

I have died a couple of times in this life, and during one of these times I viewed a reality that was created to serve those who wished for a Christian Heaven. In this reality everyone was worshiping a being who had set himself up to appear to look as though he was the ONE CHRIST. I knew as I saw it, that it was a trap to be avoided (by me) at all costs. However, those who were participating in it seemed quite happy with their choice to be there.

So, if someone chooses a trap they wish to experience... is this a problem? However, for those of us who have decided to leave this particular trap... well that is what this discussion is all about.
I understand what Robert Morning Sky means when he says "your light", but to me it's not necessarily "light", more like energy although one could interpret it as light, especially if you have the BELIEF that light leads to a god who is greater than you. You go where your energy pulls you because your vibrational frequency, awareness and degree of independence determine what you will be attracted to or caught up in. You will be attracted to exactly where you need to be. It's difficult to describe these things in words. LIGHT doesn't mean there what we think it means here just as LOVE doesn't mean there what we think it means here.

I have also come across several different types of "places" which seemed like heavens where beings were happy and worshiping some supposedly divine being. I was not pulled to stay but I felt they were where they wanted to be. If they were trapped then it was a trap they accepted and it was as it should be. I see no problem with any choices any being makes about their experiences in the creation in any dimension or on earth. When I say "traveling" in other dimensions that word also doesn't describe what it is like "going" from one frequency into another. But it is a convenient word that we can relate to here. Our minds have a hard time grasping things that are not linear or within the illusion of time.

When merged with the Source I was everything and nothing, peace and potential, light and dark... all at the same time. That doesn't explain it very well in words, but it was a combination of being eternally static and at rest in nothingness along with the constant energy of the creation flowing out of and flowing back into the Source. These states seem like they cannot coexist but I have experienced this allness and nothingness and it does not feel contradictory, it simply IS.

If you are not heavily programmed in your human life with strong beliefs I think you have a better chance of avoiding traps in all dimensions. Beliefs and fears usually manifest. However the games can be great fun along the way as you are becoming more of who you are, which is everything and nothing.

[Eternal_One]

ROMANWKT: the video link above is a dead end. Could you check and repost it? Meanwhile I'd like to comment on the following quote from Robert Morningsky:

"Every time we shed the mortal the mortal coil, every time we go through another life, we are taken into the light and there we are reprogrammed. ...... So with great respect, do not go to THE light, go to YOUR light."


I have died a couple of times in this life, and during one of these times I viewed a reality that was created to serve those who wished for a Christian Heaven. In this reality everyone was worshiping a being who had set himself up to appear to look as though he was the ONE CHRIST. I knew as I saw it, that it was a trap to be avoided (by me) at all costs. However, those who were participating in it seemed quite happy with their choice to be there.

So, if someone chooses a trap they wish to experience... is this a problem? However, for those of us who have decided to leave this particular trap... well that is what this discussion is all about.

The light is simply your higher self... You really have to go to it. Sooner or later.

What is called death, even of the smallest and apparently most inanimate thing, is merely a change of form and condition of the energy and activities which constitute it. Even the body does not die, in the strict sense of the word.

When you die, your soul slumber and after you reviewed your life you go On the other side: The astral plane or others planes. This depends upon your own belief and your own spiritual advancement. There are many planes, and different sublevels.

All of this is a mental creation, the same here its a dream too. Once you are bored of it or done with it, your soul slumber again and then you are reincarnated, and repeat the loop until you finally reach the last "level".

There are many many astral planes (even many planes higher than the astral), and each plane is inhabited by entities sharing the same belief. Thats why there is a christian heaven, hell, or whatever you wish to believe. This is not a 'trap' so to speak, this is just your mind manisfesting whatever you want to believe for your OWN growth.

However when there, someone from a 'higher' level can lower his vibration to visit the others plane, but can never go higher than your own, unless your reincarnate. So, you will be able to meet your relatives and everybody.




Some of these lower Astral sub‑planes are filled with Astral forms of disembodied human beings, the higher principles of whom are still attached to the Astral body, and which are held earth‑bound by reason of the attraction of the material world.
In this region also dwell for a time the very scum of disembodied human life, having every attraction to hold them down to the things of the material world, and nothing to draw them upward. Higher and higher rise the scale of planes and sub‑planes, until at last are reached the realms of the blessed—the temporary abiding place of those who have attained a high degree of spiritual development, the “heaven worlds” which the religions of the race have sought to define according to their creeds and traditions. And, just as in the creeds of the race have been postulated the existence of “hells” to oppose the idea of “heaven,” so in the Astral world, as might be expected, are to be found certain lower planes in which dwell the disembodied souls of persons of brutal natures and tendencies, in which the inevitable result of their earth‑life is worked out. But these hells of the Astral are not eternal— the disembodied soul in turn may work out into a better environment—may be given “another chance.”

In short, on the great Astral plane are to be found conditions corresponding with nearly, if not all, of the conceptions formed by the mind of man in connection with the religions of all times and places. These conceptions have not arisen by mere chance— they are the result of the experience of certain of the race who in some way established psychic connection with some of the many Astral Planes, each of whom, according to his own nature and inclinations, reported his experiences to his fellows, who afterward incorporated them in the various religions of the world. It will be remembered that every race of human beings has had its traditions of the “place” of departed souls, the description varying greatly and yet all agreeing in some particulars.

Once more we must caution the student against confounding the idea of the Astral Plane with the idea of place or places. There is no such place as the Astral Plane. The Astral Plane is neither up nor down, neither north, south, east or west. It lies in no special direction—and yet it lies in all directions. It is, first, last, and always, a state or condition and not a place. It is rather a phase or degree of vibration, rather than a portion of space.
Its dimensions are those of Time—not those of Space. When we use the words; "region;" "realm;" "higher or lower;" "above or below;" we employ them merely figuratively, just as we speak of "a high rate of vibration," or "a rate or vibration above that, etc."


Seek and serve the One creator, and nothing else.

[greybeard]

Agree with Eternal_One.

Eventually you are left with one prayer.

"Beloved God how may I serve you?"

Namaste

[Dawn]

Hi Roman, so glad I checked into this thread to read your replies back to me. Your questions are great paths for me to allow energy to seep into and possibly find a gem as this occurs. You asked, did I/ do I have empathy for those caught in things like the 'False Heaven for Christians'? Great question.

ANSWER: Every day I see many people who are totally caught in so many concepts and negative programming that they can barely wiggle for the binding ties. When I first saw this, I wished to help everyone awaken, however I soon realized this is simply meddling on my part. My experience is that when the student is ready they will ask a question, then I gladly help them to see and give them tools to begin to dig themselves out of the hole they are in. I have been pretty public in the past and this caused me to come under very intensive psychic and personal attack. I have also functioned as a seer in this lifetime, and my primary role in this case is to travel with people into their other dimensions to free them from energy that is causing them to be stuck here. This is something anyone with a certain level of awareness can do for another, if asked. Yet I never offer unless the asking comes first.

I love the saying 'When a great master travels through the marketplace a thief will see only his pockets'. So I walk quietly among the sleepers, causing an energetic earthquake by simply being who I am. And I am always available for any who wish to begin to awaken.

As for where I am. I am on my moment-to-moment path, as we all are. I am a point of awareness in the event horizon and thus am also god/goddess co-creating this reality. On a more personal note, about a year and a half ago I walked away from a life that no longer resonated with me. At age 59 I simply packed a suitcase and got into my car and drove away. Due to the rules in this reality, there are many entanglements left from the old life that I am patiently unraveling. Lots of legal stuff, and lots of financial stuff. Meanwhile, I traveled without funds or a home for about 7 months, then found myself invited to stay someplace that felt like a good fit. And I am still in this place nearly one year later. My new life is very simple, which allows me to continue to untangle myself from the last tendrils of my old life.

I don't really have any answers... just many questions. And... by the way... I read what you wrote about releasing. Thank you very much. I have done much releasing in the past using many many many tools, yet I had never deliberately released from the 3rd chakra or dan tien before. After reading your article I immediately sat and released for over an hour from this area of my body. Then my body slept (likely to reorganize) for 2 hours. I am still using the technique with wonderful results. Thank you again. I have been asking the universe for a way to begin a new life, now that the old one is gone... your writing was part of my answer... I know that in order to begin a new pattern this clearing is very important.

Where have I been in the past? What a fun question! I have spent 9 years in an 'enlightented state' of some sort, where my body slept less than 90 minutes daily while I remained fully consciousness, after which I arose and walked in the nearby woods until the sun arose the next morning. I worked to raise the consciousness of the silicon valley where I lived each morning as the sun arose. From the awareness level I had, this was easy and possible. During the day I worked in the business world and easily made millions of dollars. And the releasing I did to get to this point? I ran the microcosmic orbit backwards for a number of months culminating in a complete erasure of all programming. I had the option to remain a breatharian at that time, however I chose to eat, so that I could mingle with other people during their social gatherings around food. I have to say, Roman, that this decision is perhaps the one I regret making most, and it is one that I intend to reverse. We will see what I am able to manifest. After this 9 year period the energies on the planet changed, or perhaps I did... anyway my life is very different now. I no longer have the extent of power or freedom I once enjoyed during that time. I also know that I was directly targeted and I had to learn to deal with some very negative dark beings for a number of years. I could go on... however, you get the general idea.

I really enjoy you and your input. What a wonderful being you are to interact with.

[Dawn]

Hi Roman, I'd like to add to what I wrote about the Christian Heaven I saw. In it everyone was giving their personal power or chi to the 'Christ' because they did not believe they were infinite or powerful themselves. In turn the 'Christ' fed off the energy of the worshipers. Meanwhile, there were no challenges or creativity beyond being bliss-ed out continuously. Why did this appear to be a trap? Because those in it were completely deluded as to what was really going on. They lived to feed a giant parasite which paraded as greater than they were.

Was it part of this matrix... probably another level of it. And, as I saw it, it was created in the earth reality I am a part of by programming these people to go there upon death. I know most Christians aren't that gullible, but many were... which is why this bardo existed. Were they all playing a game? It certainly seemed so. Perhaps the game is 'hide who we are from ourselves' so we can have 'fun' finding ourselves again later? To mess around with a group such as this definately did not feel safe to me. I didn't feel big enough at the time to take this on and change it... and really, wouldn't that have been meddling? One more thing... I believe that simply being aware of the truth of something in an awake state, changes consciousness. So, seeing this reality for what it was/is, likely caused some sort of change in it.

[Davidallany]

one does not have to become enlightened to no longer be reborn.
How do you know?

[Davidallany]

Beloved God how may I serve you?
Now if we love each other like we do a god,the world would be a nice place. Our devotion and service should be directed to Humans more than to a god.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

Wonderful thread! I was drawn here quite suddenly this afternoon and I am about to view the initial links only now... Fascinating posts. Here is an excerpt from Tom Kenyon's site "The Hathors". After describing how most people enter into the heavens or afterlifes conditioned by their beliefs, some have another choice. I post it, as it addresses the idea of the Void in an interesting way.... Thanks again for all who are seeking the truth here:

"As with the other two transition states of consciousness, the death realm has a void point, and its dominant features are stillness (silence) and darkness. All possibilities exist within the Void, but no actuality is in existence. It is like the acorn of an oak tree. The oak, the giant tree itself, is potentially within the acorn, but it does not yet exist.

So when you find yourself in the Void, which you will recognize by the fact that you are utterly alone in darkness and utter stillness, know that you are in the central nexus of your creative powers.

What you choose to create next will determine the course of your destiny and what worlds you will inhabit or realms of existence you will reside in. This is a critical juncture.

Many persons frightened by the darkness move to the light prematurely. And what they do not realize is that in their yearning they create the light. A portal opens before them, like a tunnel, and they can move into this tunnel of light, encountering those they have known before, thereby entering back into embodiment or other vibratory realms of existence without having fully understood the consequences. This is certainly one option open to you, and one that is often taken.

Another option, however, is to remain at the void point, residing in the Void itself, becoming aware of your Self as pure consciousness—transcendent to all phenomena.

If you reside in this state of awareness long enough without the need to create something, you will discover your identity as the great I Am. And from this point of awareness you can choose the circumstances of your embodiment. You can choose the worlds you will inhabit or the realms of consciousness where you will reside.

This latter method gives you the greatest opportunities, though it is the most difficult for most people. And the reason for this difficulty has to do with the fact that most humans find it uncomfortable to not have a body. The yearning for a body and the experience of the material world often draws a person from the Void prematurely. "

[johnf]

Not sure how i missed this thread since I have been reading a lot in here lately.
I have been pondering this one for decades since I had an Nde like episode brought brought on by a period of study of the Course in miracles.
A friend was reading a passage from the course that kept repeating the idea that now was the moment to drop my illusions, that "I" had been carrying these things around for eons allways seeking and never finding. After a very strange moment when i saw golden balls coming out of "me" and also some coming at me from the outside I found myself in a very still and peaceful infinite space. I saw light of various colors, and it waxed and wanned. The most striking part of this experience was the complete lack of physicallity or even concept or memory of what physical existence was. I was either perceiving this or perceiving the material world. I have a strong feeling that every being i have ever encountered was there somehow. In the months following this experience, I felt a very deep sense of loss, and have had this feeling come back in varying intensity since then. Also I have had a lot of opportunity to view this very tangible sense of disinterest and low opinion of physical existence that I had prior to this experience and haven't been able to shake since then. I think that the sense of bliss and exaggerated need for togetherness that is part of the human condition is, and a driving force behind all of our suffering. And i believe it comes from this layer of experience (of light and bliss) being so hard to penetrate and see as it actually is.
One idea that is pretty much heresy and blasphemy in spiritual circles to question is the idea of we are all one. I think that the dogmatic clinging to this idea as a replacement for a more basic realization of our true nature comes from this bliss and light state. I do not know anything but the basic perception that I am, although i can not say there are no others, only those others can percieve I am for themselves. If I could produce a tangible package of bliss and ecstasy and get another being to accept that as the most indispensable essence of them selves I have produced a foundation of eternal slavery for both of us, and can now fold all sorts of layers of thoughts into that package, that the other being will believe, including extreme compulsions for all imaginable behaviors. This includes all manifestations of the exaggerated feeling of separation that we know as fear, as well as the addiction to all things material as well as the viewing of each other as material to be owned and consumed that we see rampant in the world.
There is a pair of culprits here not one single one looks all shining and so desireble that that we must have it and the other makes us do anything to keep us from losing "it" , or losing the opportunity to get more of "it".
These two things , the infinite glob of blissfull togetherness, as well as the driving forcefull masses of fear of losing this togetherness and approval from others are not what we are, we are something in between these two that has no light of it's own, and has no need for light.
Without the light there is no darkness, there is no lack or fear , there is infinite constantly expanding space in which to create, and to experience, or not, and in which space we can simultaneously be and not be. As physical beings if we can achieve this freedom we will experience a clarity of choices in our very complicated and intense lives that opens up choices beyond the usual ones of greed, fear war, and this destructive compulsion to constantly invade and plunder the world we live in , and each other as powerfull sources of energy.

Wow it might take a while for me to decide whether i like what i just wrote!

[HORIZONS]

Wonderful thread! I was drawn here quite suddenly this afternoon and I am about to view the initial links only now... Fascinating posts. Here is an excerpt from Tom Kenyon's site "The Hathors". After describing how most people enter into the heavens or afterlifes conditioned by their beliefs, some have another choice. I post it, as it addresses the idea of the Void in an interesting way.... Thanks again for all who are seeking the truth here:

"As with the other two transition states of consciousness, the death realm has a void point, and its dominant features are stillness (silence) and darkness. All possibilities exist within the Void, but no actuality is in existence. It is like the acorn of an oak tree. The oak, the giant tree itself, is potentially within the acorn, but it does not yet exist.

So when you find yourself in the Void, which you will recognize by the fact that you are utterly alone in darkness and utter stillness, know that you are in the central nexus of your creative powers.

What you choose to create next will determine the course of your destiny and what worlds you will inhabit or realms of existence you will reside in. This is a critical juncture.

Many persons frightened by the darkness move to the light prematurely. And what they do not realize is that in their yearning they create the light. A portal opens before them, like a tunnel, and they can move into this tunnel of light, encountering those they have known before, thereby entering back into embodiment or other vibratory realms of existence without having fully understood the consequences. This is certainly one option open to you, and one that is often taken.

Another option, however, is to remain at the void point, residing in the Void itself, becoming aware of your Self as pure consciousness—transcendent to all phenomena.

If you reside in this state of awareness long enough without the need to create something, you will discover your identity as the great I Am. And from this point of awareness you can choose the circumstances of your embodiment. You can choose the worlds you will inhabit or the realms of consciousness where you will reside.

This latter method gives you the greatest opportunities, though it is the most difficult for most people. And the reason for this difficulty has to do with the fact that most humans find it uncomfortable to not have a body. The yearning for a body and the experience of the material world often draws a person from the Void prematurely. "

I will keep this in mind when I find myself in the darkness looking for that elusive light switch. ;) Thanks for posting.

[HORIZONS]

Not sure how i missed this thread since I have been reading a lot in here lately.
I have been pondering this one for decades since I had an Nde like episode brought brought on by a period of study of the Course in miracles.
A friend was reading a passage from the course that kept repeating the idea that now was the moment to drop my illusions, that "I" had been carrying these things around for eons allways seeking and never finding. After a very strange moment when i saw golden balls coming out of "me" and also some coming at me from the outside I found myself in a very still and peaceful infinite space. I saw light of various colors, and it waxed and wanned. The most striking part of this experience was the complete lack of physicallity or even concept or memory of what physical existence was. I was either perceiving this or perceiving the material world. I have a strong feeling that every being i have ever encountered was there somehow. In the months following this experience, I felt a very deep sense of loss, and have had this feeling come back in varying intensity since then. Also I have had a lot of opportunity to view this very tangible sense of disinterest and low opinion of physical existence that I had prior to this experience and haven't been able to shake since then. I think that the sense of bliss and exaggerated need for togetherness that is part of the human condition is, and a driving force behind all of our suffering. And i believe it comes from this layer of experience (of light and bliss) being so hard to penetrate and see as it actually is.
One idea that is pretty much heresy and blasphemy in spiritual circles to question is the idea of we are all one. I think that the dogmatic clinging to this idea as a replacement for a more basic realization of our true nature comes from this bliss and light state. I do not know anything but the basic perception that I am, although i can not say there are no others, only those others can percieve I am for themselves. If I could produce a tangible package of bliss and ecstasy and get another being to accept that as the most indispensable essence of them selves I have produced a foundation of eternal slavery for both of us, and can now fold all sorts of layers of thoughts into that package, that the other being will believe, including extreme compulsions for all imaginable behaviors. This includes all manifestations of the exaggerated feeling of separation that we know as fear, as well as the addiction to all things material as well as the viewing of each other as material to be owned and consumed that we see rampant in the world.
There is a pair of culprits here not one single one looks all shining and so desireble that that we must have it and the other makes us do anything to keep us from losing "it" , or losing the opportunity to get more of "it".
These two things , the infinite glob of blissfull togetherness, as well as the driving forcefull masses of fear of losing this togetherness and approval from others are not what we are, we are something in between these two that has no light of it's own, and has no need for light.
Without the light there is no darkness, there is no lack or fear , there is infinite constantly expanding space in which to create, and to experience, or not, and in which space we can simultaneously be and not be. As physical beings if we can achieve this freedom we will experience a clarity of choices in our very complicated and intense lives that opens up choices beyond the usual ones of greed, fear war, and this destructive compulsion to constantly invade and plunder the world we live in , and each other as powerfull sources of energy.

Wow it might take a while for me to decide whether i like what i just wrote!

Thank you for sharing your observation. I studied CIM for about a year or so and had some very strange experiences/feelings take place within me - eventually I gave up the study (for various reasons) but one thing that I noticed is that the will to keep on living, achieving, personal ambition and all the necessary elements to function in this life diminished within me in very drastic ways - my whole concept of life changed, and not for the better for me and others in my life, as I felt very alone and could see no point external existence. The individual me not connected to anything or anyone is a very strange feeling indeed. It does take a while to decide if we like what we see/wrote on some subjects, but this is one of the ways we learn who we are within ourselves. Keep on keeping on~

[johnf]

Not sure how i missed this thread since I have been reading a lot in here lately.
I have been pondering this one for decades since I had an Nde like episode brought brought on by a period of study of the Course in miracles.
A friend was reading a passage from the course that kept repeating the idea that now was the moment to drop my illusions, that "I" had been carrying these things around for eons allways seeking and never finding. After a very strange moment when i saw golden balls coming out of "me" and also some coming at me from the outside I found myself in a very still and peaceful infinite space. I saw light of various colors, and it waxed and wanned. The most striking part of this experience was the complete lack of physicallity or even concept or memory of what physical existence was. I was either perceiving this or perceiving the material world. I have a strong feeling that every being i have ever encountered was there somehow. In the months following this experience, I felt a very deep sense of loss, and have had this feeling come back in varying intensity since then. Also I have had a lot of opportunity to view this very tangible sense of disinterest and low opinion of physical existence that I had prior to this experience and haven't been able to shake since then. I think that the sense of bliss and exaggerated need for togetherness that is part of the human condition is, and a driving force behind all of our suffering. And i believe it comes from this layer of experience (of light and bliss) being so hard to penetrate and see as it actually is.
One idea that is pretty much heresy and blasphemy in spiritual circles to question is the idea of we are all one. I think that the dogmatic clinging to this idea as a replacement for a more basic realization of our true nature comes from this bliss and light state. I do not know anything but the basic perception that I am, although i can not say there are no others, only those others can percieve I am for themselves. If I could produce a tangible package of bliss and ecstasy and get another being to accept that as the most indispensable essence of them selves I have produced a foundation of eternal slavery for both of us, and can now fold all sorts of layers of thoughts into that package, that the other being will believe, including extreme compulsions for all imaginable behaviors. This includes all manifestations of the exaggerated feeling of separation that we know as fear, as well as the addiction to all things material as well as the viewing of each other as material to be owned and consumed that we see rampant in the world.
There is a pair of culprits here not one single one looks all shining and so desireble that that we must have it and the other makes us do anything to keep us from losing "it" , or losing the opportunity to get more of "it".
These two things , the infinite glob of blissfull togetherness, as well as the driving forcefull masses of fear of losing this togetherness and approval from others are not what we are, we are something in between these two that has no light of it's own, and has no need for light.
Without the light there is no darkness, there is no lack or fear , there is infinite constantly expanding space in which to create, and to experience, or not, and in which space we can simultaneously be and not be. As physical beings if we can achieve this freedom we will experience a clarity of choices in our very complicated and intense lives that opens up choices beyond the usual ones of greed, fear war, and this destructive compulsion to constantly invade and plunder the world we live in , and each other as powerfull sources of energy.

Wow it might take a while for me to decide whether i like what i just wrote!

Thank you for sharing your observation. I studied CIM for about a year or so and had some very strange experiences/feelings take place within me - eventually I gave up the study (for various reasons) but one thing that I noticed is that the will to keep on living, achieving, personal ambition and all the necessary elements to function in this life diminished within me in very drastic ways - my whole concept of life changed, and not for the better for me and others in my life, as I felt very alone and could see no point external existence. The individual me not connected to anything or anyone is a very strange feeling indeed. It does take a while to decide if we like what we see/wrote on some subjects, but this is one of the ways we learn who we are within ourselves. Keep on keeping on~

I think that both of our experiences contrat with those that might have had a stronger sense of connection with the phyical and a purpose in the physical that they grasped, that at least i do not. I think that there was a barrier I ran into that i have not been able to cross and so i work to learn more about things that may move me again forward and past that barrier.