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Cartomancer
20th July 2011, 22:09
I think it is possible that 911 was an occult ritual. I based this on the 209 degree alignment from Cleopatra's Needle to the Hexagonal Jewish American Heritage Museum (2+0+9=11). this angle matches the orientation of the hexagonal building as well as Central Park and the Avenue of the America's which the resulting line transects.

loveandgratitude
20th July 2011, 22:34
Mind Control Methodologies, Chaos Sorcery, 9/11 Occult Numerology, Gematria

The first link is the show hosted by Mark Passio, a former occultist who now wants to educate people on the symbology and numbers in occult ritual especially 9/11. An Amazing and very insightful report into 9/11 occult ritual. The show is from Oraclebroadcasting.com

http://mp3.oraclebroadcasting.com/Mark_Passio/Mark_Passio.2011-07-17_16k.mp3


This link is to previous show hosted by mark Passio on similar subjects about 9/11 and other occult rituals.


http://oraclebroadcasting.com/archives.php?who=Mark_Passio

Cartomancer
21st July 2011, 14:55
Hey, thank you very much for the information. I have heard of Mark Passio before. I also know there are a lot of other instances of the numerological 911 in the WTC saga. I will listen to the shows you sent. Thanks

cellardoor
21st July 2011, 20:21
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bATjvty5p8k
These kids are chanting the words KITE, HIT, STEEL, PLANE, MUST. Just before the attack, they then go on to say 'The pet goat'http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTxmHUX_KG2ymiU0RrKDsDfYs_euX9-R0vCh1Et0PYBBLGTNf58ug
look at bushes reaction to being told about the towers.
People need to open their eyes to the mockery we face from these lost souls.

Cartomancer
23rd July 2011, 22:54
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bATjvty5p8k
These kids are chanting the words KITE, HIT, STEEL, PLANE, MUST. Just before the attack, they then go on to say 'The pet goat'http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTxmHUX_KG2ymiU0RrKDsDfYs_euX9-R0vCh1Et0PYBBLGTNf58ug
look at bushes reaction to being told about the towers.
People need to open their eyes to the mockery we face from these lost souls.


Wow. I never put two and tow together on that aspect but it is spot on. If it looks, acts, and quacks like a duck...................

ocean
24th July 2011, 06:49
I am so grateful to you for this post....what an eye opener.

Cartomancer
24th July 2011, 18:05
I am so grateful to you for this post....what an eye opener.

Thanks for the kind words. Since I bagan to research geomancy I have found that it is directly tied to many things that happen in the world. Geomancy causes many "catch 22's" and explains many unexplainable events and activities. Think of the power and influence it would take to even secretly plan four or five large buildings in a major city. All of this is done in secret and the power associated with this is a real tangible thing to the people who worship this way. This goes way beyond being simply symbolic.

Cartomancer
13th September 2011, 14:57
I thought I'd get this one going due to the tenth anniversary of that dreadful day.

WhiteFeather
13th September 2011, 15:04
I think boy george bush was having difficulty reading the spelling words in that book. My perspective anyhow.

Logan
13th September 2011, 18:56
I strongly believe there was some occult underpinnings or basis in 9/11. All the "elite" in America are into some really dark stuff. Anyone seen Alex Jones' Bohemian Grove doc? Very unsettling.

I'd like to link a YouTube video here where the Allseeing Eye of Horus is formed at the during a 9/11 memorial service at Ground Zero.

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Anno
13th September 2011, 19:58
I love your threads and videos Cartomancer.

I have a special request. I noticed in one of your videos that in your Google earth you have an allignment that goes through Preston and a few places in the North of the UK. All the info I find tends to be about America. Can you share (or link us to) information about the UK, please? I'm personally more interested in the Northern Cities that were involved in the Slave/Wool route from Liverpool to Hull. They're full of buildings from around the 1800's that have flaming torches, obelisks, domes etc.

Cartomancer
14th September 2011, 02:02
I have been wanting to look into the UK. I am reading up on the history of the UK so I can have more insight. I have lived or spent time in many of the places I have made videos of including Williamsburg, Virginia. When I lived in VA I now regret driving by Jefferson's Poplar Forest many times and not stopping! I have family only a half hour from there.

I will dive into the alignment you suggest the next time I log on to Google Earth. Perhaps I could ask some questions about the towns and history involved if needed? I'm willing to bet the buildings you suggest are part of an alignment. Here I have noticed distinct phases of rebuilding and building new aligned structures. The F.D.R. administration is one phase and really since I have been studying this I think 911 marked the beginning of a new phase of value of this phenomena here in the US. Perhaps worldwide when you consider places like Astana Kazakhstan (sp?).

Also I'm sure you have heard of the book "The Old Straight Track" by Alfred Watkins. He was the first to identify the what is known as the St. Michael's ley line. I think he was also the first to use the term "ley line." I have heard from a few people in Britain that they disapproved of my use of that term. Why I'm not sure.

London is very interesting also. A line created by the hexagon in the ruins of Baalbek points an azimuth just north of London near the site of the upcoming Summer Games. The London Center Stone may have represented the Roman Axis of the city. The way Sir Chistopher Wren designed the city after the fires is said to have some symbolism incorporated into it. Stonehenge is interesting but infers all 360 degrees of the compass. I will do some Google Earth and revisit this post.

Anno
14th September 2011, 10:47
[...]Perhaps I could ask some questions about the towns and history involved if needed? I'm willing to bet the buildings you suggest are part of an alignment. Here I have noticed distinct phases of rebuilding and building new aligned structures.[...]

I'd be happy to as I'm sure a lot on here would. If it's a local place I can get you photographs, too. The building phases I'm noticing are in the 1100's when the Templars and Cistercians built, then again in the very late 1700's to early 1900's (but mostly in the 1800's). They're all the big impressive stone buildings with the torches and obelisks on that came in with Cotton/Slaves and run between Liverpool and Hull following the Canal and Railways.

Earlier than all of that you have the original Arthur legends centered around North Wales and Lancashire. People like Bryn and Lancelot know more about that than me though. Earlier than that you have all the megaliths and spiral/cross/sunwheel/cup and ring markings that go from Southern Ireland to North East England. Then there's the A roads that people claim are Roman but were in existence before they got here.

I think you're in the best place for people to fill in the gaps for you. Send me a message if you need any help. =]



[...]I have heard from a few people in Britain that they disapproved of my use of that term. Why I'm not sure.[...]

If there's something that can be disapproved of, there's a group of British people disapproving of it. I wouldn't worry about it. I've read The Old Straight Track and The Sun and the Serpent as well as seeing them mentioned in books on other topics like Megaliths and everyone has used the term Ley. The only complaint I've ever seen is that it's meant to mean Feild not track and someone is being pedantic. It's our national sport and the only one we invented that we're not now rubbish at.

Cartomancer
14th September 2011, 16:37
Thanks for the tips. I'm sure there is a depth of hidden information there waiting to be uncovered. Do you know anything about a Mr. Arkwright that was once a prominent Mason in Preston? Have you seen the movie "Secrets of the Illuminate?." Also watch my video linked below about the Grail in America if you haven't already. I have found some interesting sites in n. central England that may be part of the mystery of the "Shepard's Monument" at the Shugborough Estate. If you have seen the Codes movie I think the investigators in that film have missed a lot of important clues. I will get back w/ you in a few days. Thank you.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER9g_L9EQRc

finally there!!!
14th September 2011, 17:43
Id love to educate myself more on this subject because here in Ireland as Anno pointed out there is some some strange monuments placed around the place,for instance I live Dublin near a place called Killiney hill which looks out on Dublin bay and looks over the whole city of Dublin.This place has an obelisk and a pyramid right on the top of the hill.Now Killiney is one of the most poshest places to live in the whole of Ireland so to live in that area you need a lot of money and to make it even more mysterious there is a masonic lodge only down the road but wait there is more its common knowledge between the locals that there is rituals going on up in the hill,I have friends who witnessed people all dressed in black robes walking through the forest late at night.Even the local pub is called the druids chair!!The hill used to be named after queen Victoria.Id love to find out if it has some geomancy significance..

Solphilos
14th September 2011, 18:12
Just for the sake of clarity, it should be noted that what is being referred to in this thread is not related to Geomancy, which is a traditional form of divination and/or ritual involving the Earth element, not locations on the physical Earth itself. I'm not debating the content of the thread, only suggesting that a more appropriate term be used to avoid confusion, as this is an important detail.

Cartomancer
14th September 2011, 18:23
Just for the sake of clarity, it should be noted that what is being referred to in this thread is not related to Geomancy, which is a traditional form of divination and/or ritual involving the Earth element, not locations on the physical Earth itself. I'm not debating the content of the thread, only suggesting that a more appropriate term be used to avoid confusion, as this is an important detail.

ge·o·man·cy/ˈjēəˌmansē/
Noun: Divination from configurations seen in a handful of earth thrown on the ground, or by interpreting lines or textures on the ground.

Thank you for the kind, diplomatic way you presented your info. I use this term as an occult construct only known by few. The people who arrange these systems began doing it by using Henrich Cornelius Agrippa's and John Dee's methods. Agrippa developed a form of geomancy which Thomas Jefferson knew of and used in his large scale alignments. There is evidence that this form of geomancy has been used since ancient Egypt and kept secret.

I appreciate what you are saying and have run into this disagreement before. This is a form of divination that they don't tell you about therefore it is officially denied and undefined. Reading lines on the earth includes these long range alignments. In the past only a few would have the knowledge to even interpret these arrangements. Thank you very much. This is new information. If you don't agree I respect your opinion. :o -Cort

Cartomancer
14th September 2011, 18:34
Wow. I'll put that on the list of places to check out!

Paul D.
11th September 2023, 15:12
In my mind there's no doubt , that among other things , 9/11 was an occult ritual .In fact that aspect of it was my first field of study as it were. I've just come across C.A.Matthius https://amzn.eu/d/62A9PBl
via a reposted tweet .In this thread he argues that the day, 9/11 ,was specifically a "Thelemic occultic ritual "
Thelema being Aleister Crowley's religion or philosophy so to speak.

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Opening Text-

It is the 22nd anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attack and its time we discussed the references to Thelemic occultic ritual that make up the entirety of the day. It was all homage to Aleister Crowley.

First let's look at its title - 9/11:

Crowley explains in his book ‘GEM ATRIA’ 9. Most Evil, because of its stability.
11.The great magical number and the magic force itself.

Thus, in titling the ceremony as ‘9/11’, this is a nod to Crowley as code for the ‘Most Evil Magic Force Itself’.
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Journeyman
12th September 2023, 21:16
In my mind there's no doubt , that among other things , 9/11 was an occult ritual .In fact that aspect of it was my first field of study as it were. I[/TWEET]


I agree. It's an important point to make though because it goes to the heart of the powers that shouldn't be and the nature of this place. You still see people saying 9/11 was about money (they already have all they need) or power (that too). Sure they take the upside, but this was entirely about the ritual. The towers were built to be brought down, that's back in the late 40's. The real planning likely centuries before that.

Did you know 9/11 was new years day to the Ancient Egyptians and now the Copts?

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Michel Leclerc
12th September 2023, 21:29
Thank you Cartomancer.

I am interested in your work about relationships between geomancy and world events.

(I take it that with geomancy you refer to the divination art using 2 to power 4 tetragrams.)

Could you elaborate a little or point to books delving deeper into such incidences? Thank you in advance.

shaberon
12th September 2023, 23:58
The towers were built to be brought down, that's back in the late 40's. The real planning likely centuries before that.


Can you elaborate on this?

We were under the impression that the towers were built in the 70s with exceptionally re-inforced cores, making it next to impossible for them to fall.

Skyscrapers, generally, got popular around the 40s, and I am unclear about how their destruction might be planned before they were invented.

Bluegreen
13th September 2023, 01:05
The Most Dangerous Book in the World: 9/11 as Mass Ritual (2013) by S K BAIN


http://sm.blackgold.org/bookcover.php?id=Enki:869920&size=medium&isn=1937584194


In this shocking exposé, investigative researcher and author S. K. Bain explores the inconsistencies, coincidences, and historical precedents of the events of September 11, 2001, and reconstructs an occult-driven script for a Global Luciferian MegaRitual. Bain argues forcefully that the framework for the entire event was a psychological warfare campaign built upon a deadly foundation of black magick and high technology. The book details a view of the sinister nature of the defining event of the 21st century and opens a window into the vast scope of the machinery of oppression that the author asserts has been constructed around us.

https://sm.blackgold.org/Enki/869920
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Most-Dangerous-Book-World-Ritual/dp/1937584178/

Journeyman
13th September 2023, 14:08
The towers were built to be brought down, that's back in the late 40's. The real planning likely centuries before that.


Can you elaborate on this?

We were under the impression that the towers were built in the 70s with exceptionally re-inforced cores, making it next to impossible for them to fall.

Sorry, I was pushed for time and wasn't very clear. Am currently on my phone so this will also be brief, probably for the best!

My point is that not only was the bringing down of the towers an occult ritual, the plans date back* to the very conception, planning and building of the towers. They weren't built to increase office space or to generate revenue, though they'll happily bank those profits. They were built to form the final pieces of a carefully staged occult ritual, alongside the Washington arch, statue of 'liberty' central park obelisk and certain other buildings in Manhattan.

How to substantiate such a claim? Difficult, but a look at the personnel involved in the conception, the political powers brought to bear to secure the site, the transition from one tower to two, the other buildings of the Japanese architect, maybe taken together start to become suggestive.

There's plenty of people that have unpicked some of the ritual aspects in timing, alignment with heavens, correlations between concepts represented in masonic tracing boards and the buildings at WTC, the tower that replaced it etc. Chris Knowles, Mark Passio, Corey Daniels, doubtless others.


Skyscrapers, generally, got popular around the 40s, and I am unclear about how their destruction might be planned before they were invented.

Not the skyscrapers but the spiritual idea they were representing. They could've been two columns, pillars. There needed to be a difference between them though, the North Tower had an antenna that differentiated it from the south. That's the 'male' tower. Male / Female, Sun/Moon, Above/Below the opposites that are to be reconciled and unified. The male/female triangles can be found integrated into the design of the tower that replaced the twins.

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I just wanted to raise the idea that this wasn't some kind of additional aspect, it was the raison detre of not just the day itself, but the towers very existence. They built them with the intention of bringing them down, on that day at that time. As with everything they do they signalled as much, the picture of David Rockefeller is from Newsweek April 1967, his watch is set at 9:11:








*Likely long before is my guess

Journeyman
13th September 2023, 15:40
So as a ps to that last post.... I know videos are time consuming, but they're often the only readily available source of certain info. So Chris Knowles outlines some of his research in this interview with Robert Phoenix. Timestamped (https://youtu.be/W0FM8byJYHQ?t=1766)to spare you some intro and technical kerfuffles:

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Mark Passio, he's good on symbolism timestamped:
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Thomas Sheridan, a very engaging funny Irish pagan gives his take:
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At least some can be found not in video format:

Corey Daniels is a Phoenix based writer on occult matters:
https://thephoenixenigma.com/de-occulting-911-astrotheology-ritual-sacrifice/

MK Styliknski:

9/11: An Occult Ritual? I (https://infrakshun.wordpress.com/2015/05/04/911-an-occult-ritual-1/)
9/11: An Occult Ritual? II: Numbers & Symbols (https://infrakshun.wordpress.com/2015/05/08/911-an-occult-ritual-ii-numbers-symbols/)
9/11: An Occult Ritual? III: The Twin Towers (1) (https://infrakshun.wordpress.com/2015/05/10/911-an-occult-ritual-iii-the-twin-towers-1/)
9/11: An Occult Ritual? IV: The Twin Towers (2) (https://infrakshun.wordpress.com/2015/05/12/911-occult-ritual-iv-the-twin-towers-2/)
9/11: An Occult Ritual? V: (https://infrakshun.wordpress.com/2015/05/13/911-an-occult-ritual-v-new-order-of-the-oculus/)New Order of the Oculus (https://infrakshun.wordpress.com/2015/05/13/911-an-occult-ritual-v-new-order-of-the-oculus/)

shaberon
14th September 2023, 03:04
How to substantiate such a claim? Difficult, but a look at the personnel involved in the conception, the political powers brought to bear to secure the site, the transition from one tower to two, the other buildings of the Japanese architect, maybe taken together start to become suggestive.



I just wanted to raise the idea that this wasn't some kind of additional aspect, it was the raison detre of not just the day itself, but the towers very existence. They built them with the intention of bringing them down, on that day at that time.


Okay. Around 1960 you had a grand stepping in to power of David and Nelson Rockefeller.

David does not have an office of power but does have a lot of money and influence, and gets the Port Authority involved with his project, since they have extreme jurisdiction to condemn properties and otherwise make way for something big.


The possible sites are few since a large part of Manhattan has too much topsoil to support such structures. The place Mr. Rockefeller (https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/twin-towers-construction-photographs/) wanted to do it became rejected and replaced:


The project, developed by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, was originally planned to be built on the east side of Lower Manhattan, but the New Jersey and New York state governments could not agree on this location.

After extensive negotiations, the New Jersey and New York state governments agreed to support the World Trade Center project, which was built at the site of Radio Row in the Lower West Side of Manhattan, New York City.



So government does not specifically do anything Rockefeller says, but they make compromises.

What suggests that the intent is anything other than to re-vitalize an urban slum?

Or that this type of construction is something other than the intent to provide sturdy cores that are hurricane and earthquake-proof, capable of shedding a side if necessary:


https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/twin-towers-construction-photographs-08.webp



https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/twin-towers-construction-photographs-07.webp




One could certainly say, from one point of view, it was hated while it was being built. Despised as an edifice of capitalism. But I don't see what is telling us that Mr. Rockefeller or else who could have had such influence as to do the whole project for the purposes of destroying it.

He liked rich Jews but he loathed extreme Zionists. Most of the parties who appear close to the capability of actually destroying it do have strong partnerships with extreme Zionists.

So the motive is hard to see, it does not sound like anything he ever said or did, but then in a military view it is pretty similar to Pearl Harbor.

Journeyman
19th September 2023, 16:32
How to substantiate such a claim? Difficult, but a look at the personnel involved in the conception, the political powers brought to bear to secure the site, the transition from one tower to two, the other buildings of the Japanese architect, maybe taken together start to become suggestive.



I just wanted to raise the idea that this wasn't some kind of additional aspect, it was the raison detre of not just the day itself, but the towers very existence. They built them with the intention of bringing them down, on that day at that time.


Okay. Around 1960 you had a grand stepping in to power of David and Nelson Rockefeller.

David does not have an office of power but does have a lot of money and influence, and gets the Port Authority involved with his project, since they have extreme jurisdiction to condemn properties and otherwise make way for something big.


The possible sites are few since a large part of Manhattan has too much topsoil to support such structures. The place Mr. Rockefeller (https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/twin-towers-construction-photographs/) wanted to do it became rejected and replaced:


The project, developed by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, was originally planned to be built on the east side of Lower Manhattan, but the New Jersey and New York state governments could not agree on this location.

After extensive negotiations, the New Jersey and New York state governments agreed to support the World Trade Center project, which was built at the site of Radio Row in the Lower West Side of Manhattan, New York City.


So government does not specifically do anything Rockefeller says, but they make compromises.

What suggests that the intent is anything other than to re-vitalize an urban slum?

Or that this type of construction is something other than the intent to provide sturdy cores that are hurricane and earthquake-proof, capable of shedding a side if necessary:

One could certainly say, from one point of view, it was hated while it was being built. Despised as an edifice of capitalism. But I don't see what is telling us that Mr. Rockefeller or else who could have had such influence as to do the whole project for the purposes of destroying it.

He liked rich Jews but he loathed extreme Zionists. Most of the parties who appear close to the capability of actually destroying it do have strong partnerships with extreme Zionists.

So the motive is hard to see, it does not sound like anything he ever said or did, but then in a military view it is pretty similar to Pearl Harbor.

Sorry for the delay in replying.

Second things first, on this point:
Or that this type of construction is something other than the intent to provide sturdy cores that are hurricane and earthquake-proof, capable of shedding a side if necessary: - absolutely. There was talk from some post the event about the core and a single point of failure etc but it's way outside my wheelhouse and it wasn't my intention to imply that the actual construction of the towers in terms of structural design, material choices, construction techniques etc was anything other than the best that could be attained at the time of building. What the precise method of bringing them down was I don't know, probably many here who are more well versed in the arguments on that aspect.

On the first question, I don't have much in the way of details, it's awhile since I looked at this, but I know the actual process began late 40's rather than 60's and Rockefeller was involved from a relatively young age. I'll see if I've anything written down and come back.

However one part of my argument is already there in the analysis of the Manhattan skyline at the time of the event in the Chris Knowles presentation I linked. That's worth checking out, although I can try to precis if helpful.