Explosion in Oslo

[Muzz]

A huge explosion rocked Oslo

video (http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article4180673.ece)

BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14252515)

http://media.aftenposten.no/archive/01514/_SCC-AIPub_G-Titte_1514824x.jpg

[Lost Soul]

Somebody lose a meth lab?

[Lord Sidious]

Removed for bad taste.
Sorry to anyone offended.

PS. When I posted the removed post, I didn't know of any casualties, that came later.

[Muzz]

This was a few days ago.

Norway backs Palestinian bid for UN recognition in September (http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/norway-backs-palestinian-bid-for-un-recognition-in-september-1.373914)

[Lost Soul]

Opps. Just read elsewhere that it was the Prime Minister's Office. Link (http://blogs.reuters.com/events/2011/07/22/explosion-rocks-oslo/)

[Muzz]

Best place to hide a meth lab, theyll never look there!

[Muzz]

Confirmed - one fatality

Talk of a car bomb on news reports

Just a thought but this will be good day for them to bury bad news. Attention from the Greek default oops sorry "bailout" will be diverted.

[<8>]

About time you blow something up in Norway to! Don't lose your grip on the dreams of the past. You must fight just to keep them alive.


My thaughts to (OldWorldOrder)

[Castaneda]

This reaks off a false flag operation. This last year the norwegian goverment has lost all support for the wars they are involved in. and the election is just around the corner.
talk about good timing.

This is just speculations from my side, but i really cant see why a "terrorist" would blow a bomb 30 min. after everyone has gone from work and its in th midlle of our vacation where 80% of all employes are off work.
It just dont make sense in any way. and its a lot more places in oslo where its a lot more people at this time. But time will show.
I just hope that the people in this country now will really understand that the time has come for peace..
I pray for the victims and may theyr soul find peace. La oss samles i bønn for de som har mistet sitt liv!

[jackovesk]

Oslo Explosion: One of Two Blasts Result of Massive Vehicle Bomb, Sources Say


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6XuRMt7tgc&feature=player_embedded

At least one of two explosions that rocked a Norwegian government building in Oslo today was result of a massive vehicle bomb, according to U.S. government sources on the scene.

Law enforcement officials told ABC News there were two blasts at the Norwegian capital and Norwegian news reported at least two people were killed. Several more were injured.

A government official told the BBC people were still trapped in the effected buildings.

The prime minister, whose office is in the building, survived the blast, a government spokesperson told The Associated Press.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkFYUP3aKbU&feature=player_embedded

A large explosion has hit near government headquarters in the Norwegian capital Oslo.

The blast is thought to have caused damage to the offices of Norwegian Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg and a number of other official buildings.

Witnesses have said several people were injured in the incident in the centre of the city.

PS - I hope the Norwegian Govt. calls the NWO's Bluff on another 'False-Flag' and starts exposing the Crooks...!

[Lucrum]

Too much chaos to say anything for sure right now, I think we just have to remain vigilant and let the initial shock settle. I'm not surprised or shocked that something happened, I've been waiting for it. However I'm sad on the behalf of the people that got caught in this.

Number of casualties is yet to be discovered, norwegian news speak of several dead. However there is still conflicting messages, so we just have to wait and see.

My condolances goes to the injured, killed and their families.

I live about 45 min from Oslo, so this is quite close to home now.

[Mad Hatter]

Watching at the moment. My heart goes out to all those suffering.
What I find strange is that the shockwave appears to have been big enough to take out glass in buildings for several blocks in all directions from epicentre yet damage to buildings seems relatively superficial except for maybe one.
The car they keep showing is way too intact to have been the cause. Besides how does a car bomb suck all that stuff out of offices onto street?
Apparently this was heard and felt some thirty minutes drive away!!

Do hope this wasn't because of a certain cartoon... :eek:

[Alan]

I told them guys, don't eat chilli AND curry in the same day.
Next time they will listen.

Oooh, more jokes please, this whole situation is HILARIOUS.

[Marsila]

wow, that is an unlikely country for this to happen in, but honestly it's not hard to see what excuses they will use.

Nothing ever happens in Norway, and people mind their business like no one else that it is easy to place a truck with a bomb somewhere and for others not to care in broad daylight.

Besides the Palestinian statehood, Norway has a large community of Pakistani Norwegians who were brought as labor for the oil industry, ofcourse those are mostly muslims. Also Norway has been accepting a large amount of Palestinian refugees from the west bank and Gaza over the past decades and also many of these are muslim, along with Iraqi's and Kurds and i don't know who else.

so don't worry, they have their little story about who did it already set since probably last month, about big terror in super peaceful country.

just sorry about any poor person that happened to be there at the wrong time.

[Lord Sidious]

I told them guys, don't eat chilli AND curry in the same day.
Next time they will listen.

Oooh, more jokes please, this whole situation is HILARIOUS.

Get a grip nugget, go read my posts before you get sarcastic with me.

[NancyV]

I'm surprised anyone seems to think they KNOW that this is a false flag event. If you think every bombing like this is a false flag event then I guess you don't think there are any problems at all with radical Muslim extremism. I have no idea if this was a false flag bombing or if the shooting outside the city at a youth camp shortly after the bombing where a lone gunman shot five people was another false flag event: http://www.montereyherald.com/breaking/ci_18529081 . Whether or not these two events were related remains to be seen.

This could be a legitimate Muslim extremist attack. Norway has had many threats from Muslims in the past and one just a week ago where a Muslim cleric said he would kill Norwegians if he was deported. I personally don't know if this was a terror attack or a false flag. If you have a belief system that every one of these events is a false flag because you believe all Muslims are peace loving victims of the PTB or elites, that seems to me to be equally as ignorant as those who believe that all mainstream news is truthful and governments don't lie. It's pretty obvious to me that there ARE many terrorists in the world, especially since my husband was an International counter terrorist agent. He may have been incorrect in his beliefs at that time that all terrorism was unjustified and governments did not often create terrorists through incorrect policies, but he KNOWS what terrorism is and that all terrorists do NOT work for the PTB or elites in governments.

Personally I don't think there is any justification for terror attacks no matter by whom they are done. Terrorism is the deliberate killing of innocent people to make a point or to take vengeance. It's not collateral damage, it's a random killing where you don't care who gets hit. The bombing in Norway was a terror attack. Norway has had many problems with Muslims. It's quite possible that this was an attack by a radical Muslim group and not a false flag event. It's also possible that it is a false flag event since the PTB and governments DO use terrorism to their advantage. Deciding which one it is with no real clue except a belief system seems pretty stupid to me. Just because we completely mistrust the PTB doesn't mean they do ALL the nasty things in the world.

Beliefs limit ones ability to see reality and allow one to be more easily manipulated.

[ghostrider]

a bomb a death and chaos, no matter the intent it's so sad when a single human life is lost.... what the hell is wrong with people? we share the same planet. death is not the answer.

[Operator]

I'm surprised anyone seems to think they KNOW that this is a false flag event. If you think every bombing like this is a false flag event then I guess you don't think there are any problems at all with radical Muslim extremism. I have no idea if this was a false flag bombing or if the shooting outside the city at a youth camp shortly after the bombing where a lone gunman shot five people was another false flag event: http://www.montereyherald.com/breaking/ci_18529081 . Whether or not these two events were related remains to be seen.


Look at the damage ... this is not the result of just a car packed with some explosives. If you want to blow something up the right way you
need to 'plant' the explosives carefully with skill and opportunity. This requires well organized professionals. Where do we find them ?

[NancyV]

I'm surprised anyone seems to think they KNOW that this is a false flag event. If you think every bombing like this is a false flag event then I guess you don't think there are any problems at all with radical Muslim extremism. I have no idea if this was a false flag bombing or if the shooting outside the city at a youth camp shortly after the bombing where a lone gunman shot five people was another false flag event: http://www.montereyherald.com/breaking/ci_18529081 . Whether or not these two events were related remains to be seen.


Look at the damage ... this is not the result of just a car packed with some explosives. If you want to blow something up the right way you
need to 'plant' the explosives carefully with skill and opportunity. This requires well organized professionals. Where do we find them ?
Many terrorist groups have bomb experts. My husband is a bomb expert. Could be anyone with the knowledge and skill. Assuming it has to be a government plot is choosing to have a belief without absolute knowledge.

[Marsila]

I'm surprised anyone seems to think they KNOW that this is a false flag event. If you think every bombing like this is a false flag event then I guess you don't think there are any problems at all with radical Muslim extremism.

It's pretty obvious to me that there ARE many terrorists in the world, especially since my husband was an International counter terrorist agent. He may have been incorrect in his beliefs at that time that all terrorism was unjustified and governments did not often create terrorists through incorrect policies, but he KNOWS what terrorism is and that all terrorists do NOT work for the PTB or elites in governments.

Personally I don't think there is any justification for terror attacks no matter by whom they are done.

Beliefs limit ones ability to see reality and allow one to be more easily manipulated.

Hi Nancy, firstly no one that i know of over here online, or offline is ever okay with killing people. Not only you personally. we're all unhappy about the dead of the explosion and what there families are going to go through now.

Also you come here telling people that they don't know, what they are talking about, but then go on to say that your source does(like your wrong but i'm right.)

Firstly i think its great you support your husband, secondly just because he was a "counter terrorism agent"...all that is telling me is that even if he had good intentions, he may have been used to carry on this labeling of people to avoid any real peace between people of different beliefs. who does this serve other than racists and the PTB.

yes there are people who blow things up that happen to be muslims (sometimes) who believe they are doing someone somewhere a favor...your not the only one who has family that deals with such stuff....but 90% of the time you will find a bigger thing behind them had brainwashed them into believing what they did is right.

lets not get into who made al-qaeda in the first place, or even funded the islamic brotherhoods in the middle east many years ago....and for something i know better i won't mention the US's worst kept secret in south america...the school of the americas.

all people who graduated from such "entities" were muslims etc or latin in the later case, and caused problems for those around them, but please don't tell me that they are working out of their own initiative.

labeling is so easy, telling yourself that you are on the "good side" is easy (when there is no good or evil really)

trying to read between the lines is the real hard part.

peace!

[Gustav]

Hmm, I heard on the news that a (BBC) crew was on the scene shooting some item about a possible terrorist attack.
That attacks are real I realize, That people getting killed are real I realize, That there are extreme muslims that have such feelings of hatred that they want to destroy or have little consideration in killing other humans I realize.

But,

Adding a lot of information up there is to me reason to at least remain alert to what will come forward.
- All news I heard up till now on the msm is named as speculative but... MUSLIMS, extreme muslims, TERRORISM, threats, EVIL, Death.. A reason for me to back up a little bit
- No claim has been made yet.
- there is a bbc crew filming an item about a possible attack following the threats in the last months/year?
- Popular support has vanished for wars and invasions
- Elections are around and during the last cycle not everything went as smooth as had to be the case (which is with as little ripples at all)
- Norway backs a palestinian state
- Norway is a rather highly independent country due to their oil, other resources and wealth (please do correct me if i'm wrong on that one) and can thus be more free in taking the decisions that really benefit them as a country.

All in all, the question most important that is nowadays asked too little: Qui bono? Qui really bono?

[MorgaineFallen]

Just after the attacks,a man dressed as a policeman startet shooting kids at a political youth-camp.The false policeman at the camp told youths to come nearer,said the bomb in Oslo was just the beginning and started gunning the kids down. As much as 25-30 may have been killed..
We live not to far from Oslo.
People have died!
Please stop the joking.
If you are seated far away,its so easy. But it is very insensitive,did not expect this from avalonians.
I am very sad right now and a little shocked..

[scootiep]

I told them guys, don't eat chilli AND curry in the same day.
Next time they will listen.

what a stupid thing to say you stupid nugget have some respect, i dont care about all of the other posts you have done or what your trying to say as you always talk in riddles and it gets quite boring to work out what your saying.

with comments like this you will just upset alot of people so stick to what your good at, not stupid jokes that are not funny at all.

[Maia Gabrial]

I just read that this bombing is being blamed on "Islamist" because it looked like something they'd do..... The desperate PTB want a war so badly with the Muslims that they'd get the medias to implicate them....My money's on Mossad as the culprits....

[<8>]

Just after the attacks,a man dressed as a policeman startet shooting kids at a political youth-camp..
About 25-30 are dead.

here are the place they killd the kids
http://gfx.aftonbladet-cdn.se/image/13363935/837/normal/55131e8953efe/o1.jpg

I know this is horrible things happening in Norway right now! And for the famelies its a nightmare!
And this is just the start my friends.

Breath and think back at history. Yuup its a bloody history

But i know why it happend. They have to put more fear in to people, so they can take away more freedom.

I personally will never buy in to the FEAR thing! Remember we cant die! We are Eternal!
You can kill us all i still keep laughting at ya!

[Malachi]

I told them guys, don't eat chilli AND curry in the same day.
Next time they will listen.

Oooh, more jokes please, this whole situation is HILARIOUS.

Get a grip nugget, go read my posts before you get sarcastic with me.

Crack jokes, when innocent people died, that's really bad - even from a Dark Lord. :(
Since then 20 more died in a fatal shooting in Norway. This situation is anything but funny.

[Carmody]

Within the confines of the given vehicle, one only needs to use a few sheets of 1/4"-3/8" welded steel to "direct" the blast. That's it. That's about all the expertise required.

[Carmody]

about 5 minutes ago:

7 dead at the bombing, 10 dead at the island youth gathering.

[NancyV]

I'm surprised anyone seems to think they KNOW that this is a false flag event. If you think every bombing like this is a false flag event then I guess you don't think there are any problems at all with radical Muslim extremism.

It's pretty obvious to me that there ARE many terrorists in the world, especially since my husband was an International counter terrorist agent. He may have been incorrect in his beliefs at that time that all terrorism was unjustified and governments did not often create terrorists through incorrect policies, but he KNOWS what terrorism is and that all terrorists do NOT work for the PTB or elites in governments.

Personally I don't think there is any justification for terror attacks no matter by whom they are done.

Beliefs limit ones ability to see reality and allow one to be more easily manipulated.

Hi Nancy, firstly no one that i know of over here online, or offline is ever okay with killing people. Not only you personally. we're all unhappy about the dead of the explosion and what there families are going to go through now.

Also you come here telling people that they don't know, what they are talking about, but then go on to say that your source does(like your wrong but i'm right.)

Firstly i think its great you support your husband, secondly just because he was a "counter terrorism agent"...all that is telling me is that even if he had good intentions, he may have been used to carry on this labeling of people to avoid any real peace between people of different beliefs. who does this serve other than racists and the PTB.

yes there are people who blow things up that happen to be muslims (sometimes) who believe they are doing someone somewhere a favor...your not the only one who has family that deals with such stuff....but 90% of the time you will find a bigger thing behind them had brainwashed them into believing what they did is right.

lets not get into who made al-qaeda in the first place, or even funded the islamic brotherhoods in the middle east many years ago....and for something i know better i won't mention the US's worst kept secret in south america...the school of the americas.

all people who graduated from such "entities" were muslims etc or latin in the later case, and caused problems for those around them, but please don't tell me that they are working out of their own initiative.

labeling is so easy, telling yourself that you are on the "good side" is easy (when there is no good or evil really)

trying to read between the lines is the real hard part.

peace!
If you inferred from my post that I believe my husband KNOWS what's going on in this case, you're incorrect. What I said was he knows there are terrorists that are not paid, controlled or directed by governments. He has dealt with or infiltrated several terrorist or extremist groups, such as the IRA. Even if he believed their cause is just there is no justification for killing random innocents like they used to kill children in school buses. As far as him being "used" by the governments he worked for, yes he was, obviously. I don't have a side and I won't say I am right because I don't know all the complexities of what's going on. I do know it's very complex though. I do not necessarily support what my husband has done but it was his reality at the time. He was basically a government terrorist. If they don't want to have a very short life a successful counter terrorist must be better at being a terrorist than the extremist terrorist group members. So he was very good at his job.

My point is that reaching a conclusion about anything is ignorant if you don't have the facts. The facts are most often hidden and sometimes unknowable. This tragedy in Norway could have been a radical terrorist event or it could have been backed or planned by a government. Pointing the finger at Mossad, the PTB, or the USA government is usually done because we don't trust them about anything. But if you reach a conclusion and make up your mind, then your mind is often closed to the reality that may or may not reveal itself later.

I also did not say that I am against killing people. I said there is no justification for killing innocents, although now that I think about it there might be situations where that would be absolutely necessary. But I am not completely against killing people in certain circumstances, so everyone is not against killing people.

Just because people may be brainwashed by others to do horrible things doesn't give them a pass. It sounds like you are trying to say that some governments, probably the US and UK among others, train terrorists so the terrorists get a pass because it isn't their fault. I don't buy that. It is true that our governments train terrorists. My husband was in on the training in Afghanistan of the groups that later became the Taliban and Al Qaeda. He was giving them sniper training and training in special forces techniques so they could overthrow the Russians. Later that training has been used against the US, so ironically our governments often train their own future enemies. But that doesn't mean you can solely blame the trainers for the later attacks of the ones being trained. Well, you can, but that would not quite be the total truth. Truth is multi layered and relative just as good and evil are relative.

So I stand by my statement that reaching a conclusion about who was behind the horrible attacks in Norway today is ignorant if you don't know the facts. Unless someone knows absolutely everything that happened and who did it, it's only an opinion based on a belief. By no means am I defending the PTB or any government but just because I detest them doesn't mean I like radical terrorists of any nationality or religion. Whomever did the bombing and killings today it was a horrific action. Innocent people were killed. It isn't funny no matter who did it. Personally I don't find it worthy of being joked about, although apparently some do. To each his own.

[Artemesia]

This could be a legitimate Muslim extremist attack.

Beliefs limit ones ability to see reality and allow one to be more easily manipulated.

NancyV, could you please define for yourself (and maybe for us) what exactly you BELEIVE a 'legitimate Muslim extremist attack' to consist of?

I personally can't possibly figure out what coherent thoughts would be behind this statement. Even basic reading for comprehension of this statement requires that I perceptually move into something known as 'social consciousness', which is the mindframe of rote beleifs that is the manipulated, manufactured version of reality the PTB have created for you to 'analyse' the world with, conveniently missing all the finer points and truths to behold.

If you have some enlightenment to share, please do.[COLOR="red"]

[Operator]

Within the confines of the given vehicle, one only needs to use a few sheets of 1/4"-3/8" welded steel to "direct" the blast. That's it. That's about all the expertise required.

Yes it is possible, so far I've only seen professionals using it ...

vu71g8F-pEg

Between 1:05 and 1:30 these guys will show how it's done.
(I regarded them heroes until I found out what they are really used for :mmph:)

But the explosion in Oslo doesn't look like a car bomb:

http://images2-telegraaf.nl/multimedia/archive/00873/oslo14_873468q.jpg

More like planted explosives on a higher floor.

[Seikou-Kishi]

This could be a legitimate Muslim extremist attack.

Beliefs limit ones ability to see reality and allow one to be more easily manipulated.

NancyV, could you please define for yourself (and maybe for us) what exactly you BELEIVE a 'legitimate Muslim extremist attack' to consist of?

I personally can't possibly figure out what coherent thoughts would be behind this statement. Even basic reading for comprehension of this statement requires that I perceptually move into something known as 'social consciousness', which is the mindframe of rote beleifs that is the manipulated, manufactured version of reality the PTB have created for you to 'analyse' the world with, conveniently missing all the finer points and truths to behold.

If you have some enlightenment to share, please do.[COLOR="red"]

I think NancyV means to say that the explosion could have been caused by Muslim extremists, rather than Intelligence agents pretending to be Muslim extremists. I accept the possibility, but I do not think it all that likely.

[cellardoor]

2+2=4+7=11 /2011 This is occult astronomy. False flag, just like 9/11 7/7.

[Lucc30]

Why again:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/oslo-police-conducted-bombing-exercise-days-before-terrorist-blast.html

And a person (confirmed ethnic Norwegian - male 32 years) in a police like uniform shooting youths a few hours later has also been observed nearby the explosion site in Oslo. At the youth rally there are found undetonated explosives. According to eyewitnesses (not confirmed) the man had said: "This is only the beginning!"

It is possible the explosion was an underground, near surface planted bomb. I know for a fact there was "sewer working" a couple of days before as I walked by the site.

Military personnel have secured the perimeters of our city. Wonder whats next?

[Marsila]

and killings today it was a horrific action. Innocent people were killed. It isn't funny no matter who did it. Personally I don't find it worthy of being joked about, although apparently some do. To each his own.

Hi again Nancy, firstly i don't appreciate it at all that you are trying to hint that i participated in the joking, because i did not,:( neither in my first or second post. It's not me to do such a thing. for the record one of my closest friends is Norwegian and was so near that explosion, i'm thankful she wasn't hurt. she also happens to be married to a muslim man which already put her at odds with her family, so i hope this doesn't affect them in anyway.

Though i do agree with you that we don't know who did it, just when they announce who did it, take that with a grain...actually a cup of salt.

Europes (mis)leaders (that's what we have all around the world misleaders) "need" terror attacks this year to take its people's attention away from debt, from the war in libya that they are participating in when they can't find jobs for their own population, to why they will convince their people that not recognizing palestinian statehood is good for their people. And i hope they don't get their way.

I did not say anything about your husband out of context with that we don't know he knows etc etc and i have no thoughts about it, he was a victim of the brainwash that takes place in EVERY country to try and enlist young people to do someone else's bidding, and i am happy that he sounds like he is by your, his family's side, where people belong.

Anyway this forum isn't really about current events, but helps take a note about them so we know the work that is ahead of us. We are all in it together and need to work on raising our vibrations to help Earth overcome this mess. Saying muslims, christians, buddhists jews, label 1, label 2, label 3, have a past expeirence of this bad thing and that, takes away from our energy and gives it to them.

again peace and much love

[MorgaineFallen]

The bomber / shooter;
Anders Behring Breivik
Right wing extremist.
An internet buzz insists he is also a freemason.

[Snowbird]

It matters not who did it. This dastardly deed is done.

They will never find the true culprit. That will never be allowed.

Between this heinous action and the horrendous gunning down of innocent little children, it appears as though someone somewhere is itching to start a war.

[NancyV]

This could be a legitimate Muslim extremist attack.

Beliefs limit ones ability to see reality and allow one to be more easily manipulated.

NancyV, could you please define for yourself (and maybe for us) what exactly you BELEIVE a 'legitimate Muslim extremist attack' to consist of?

I personally can't possibly figure out what coherent thoughts would be behind this statement. Even basic reading for comprehension of this statement requires that I perceptually move into something known as 'social consciousness', which is the mindframe of rote beleifs that is the manipulated, manufactured version of reality the PTB have created for you to 'analyse' the world with, conveniently missing all the finer points and truths to behold.

If you have some enlightenment to share, please do.[COLOR="red"]
There is a definition of "legitimate" which is: being exactly as purposed, neither spurious nor false. That's what I meant by legitimate. It could have been an actual muslim terrorist and not a government backed attack or government agent posing as a terrorist to create a false flag event. I could have said ACTUAL, but I said LEGITIMATE instead. Many words have multiple meanings.

Of course now it's reported that a Norwegian man did the shootings and perhaps was involved with the bombings. I assume there will be many who will beleive that he was an agent of some evil agenda of the PTB. It's possible that he was just a legitimate or actual insane person.

[NancyV]

and killings today it was a horrific action. Innocent people were killed. It isn't funny no matter who did it. Personally I don't find it worthy of being joked about, although apparently some do. To each his own.

Hi again Nancy, firstly i don't appreciate it at all that you are trying to hint that i participated in the joking, because i did not,:( neither in my first or second post. It's not me to do such a thing. for the record one of my closest friends is Norwegian and was so near that explosion, i'm thankful she wasn't hurt. she also happens to be married to a muslim man which already put her at odds with her family, so i hope this doesn't affect them in anyway.

Sorry you thought I was hinting that YOU were joking about it. I wasn't. My statement was in general about those who were joking, which at the very least was a bit tasteless. But I read your posts and I know you didn't joke about it. It's actually not my business if someone wants to joke about it or not, I was just expressing an opinion which doesn't really mean much. Everyone has a different sense of irony or humor and I'm sure those who were joking didn't really mean that they thought the incident was funny.

[Unified Serenity]

What new anti-terrorism bill was in the offing before this happened in Norway? Was there some group like the BATF there who is itching for more control and power and just needed the right crisis? Never let a good crisis go to waste remember. I may be confusing countries, but didn't Norway just basically tell the IMF to stuff it in accepting some new money program? Seems to me if this is correct it's called payback.

[Hervé]

Within the confines of the given vehicle, one only needs to use a few sheets of 1/4"-3/8" welded steel to "direct" the blast. That's it. That's about all the expertise required.

Yes it is possible, so far I've only seen professionals using it ...

vu71g8F-pEg

Between 1:05 and 1:30 these guys will show how it's done.
(I regarded them heroes until I found out what they are really used for :mmph:)

But the explosion in Oslo doesn't look like a car bomb:

http://images2-telegraaf.nl/multimedia/archive/00873/oslo14_873468q.jpg

More like planted explosives on a higher floor.

And, may be, some important, sensitive archives were located on that floor... like in Oklahoma...WTC7... Pentagon... wasn't there some interview of a Norwegian official somewhere on Avalon?

[Czarek]

Norway is an odd choice as a Muslim terror target:
•Norway has endorsed Palestinian statehood.
•Norway has excluded Isareli investments. As Haaertz reported last year:
Norway’s 450 billion euro oil-riches fund has excluded two Israeli firms involved in developing settlements ... on ethical grounds, Norway’s finance ministry said on Monday.
•Indeed, US Senator Lieberman has accused Norway of promoting anti-semitism
•Norway has also announced its plan to withdraw from the Libyan war

This is hardly the profile of a normal Muslim terrorist target. Therefore, many are alleging that it is another false flag terror attack.

source:

http://europebusines.blogspot.com/

[Operator]

Norway is an odd choice as a Muslim terror target:
•Norway has endorsed Palestinian statehood.
•Norway has excluded Isareli investments. As Haaertz reported last year:
Norway’s 450 billion euro oil-riches fund has excluded two Israeli firms involved in developing settlements ... on ethical grounds, Norway’s finance ministry said on Monday.
•Indeed, US Senator Lieberman has accused Norway of promoting anti-semitism
•Norway has also announced its plan to withdraw from the Libyan war

This is hardly the profile of a normal Muslim terrorist target. Therefore, many are alleging that it is another false flag terror attack.

source:

http://europebusines.blogspot.com/

Well I think Amzer Zo was right:


And, may be, some important, sensitive archives were located on that floor... like in Oklaoma...WTC7... Pentagon... wasn't there some interview of a Norvegian official somewhere on Avalon?

And the right question is also raised: Cui bono ?

If this is indeed the pattern that we expect then we have to wait and see how it plays out.

[Oxygen]

the number of dead at the island shooting is now said to be at least 80 .... with 7 dead in the Oslo bombing and safe to assume many critically wounded also , it will rise to above a 100 dead... mostly teenagers

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

Lets not get caught with internal fighting people. Lets just keep focused on this issues.

Lets please not forget there are other serious things goin on right now i.e the starving in eastern Africa. These things, like the PTB are all connected, and this could possibly be a false flag, but it is up to us to keep our eyes peeled and alert for things happening all over the world, and not isolating our vision.

I in no means with to downgrade the seriousness of this partuclar issue with my comments, but we need to stay awake during this incident also.

having said that, my heart goes out to all norwegians, their families, and anyone personally affected by this disgraceful tragedy.
PVM

[Little Ishta]

Found this.... guess who was watching?

http://youtu.be/606ll0Bovhw

[taurad]

haven't followed too closely yet (have been out all day)

two things pop up in my mind

- Leo ZAGAMI

- HAARP station


and I also bet my life, they will blame Norwegian Black Metal on any of this...

cheers

[Rocky_Shorz]

how many said I've seen him before...

http://riverdaughter.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/wikileaks-julian-assange.jpg

oops...

http://static.vg.no/uploaded/image/bilderigg/2011/07/23/1311378457373_34.jpg

[Castaneda]

8938

The man arrested responsible for the killing of over 80 kids at a political youth rally and the bomb in Oslo today. A freemason by 3dgr.

[Artemesia]

This could be a legitimate Muslim extremist attack.

Beliefs limit ones ability to see reality and allow one to be more easily manipulated.

NancyV, could you please define for yourself (and maybe for us) what exactly you BELEIVE a 'legitimate Muslim extremist attack' to consist of?

I personally can't possibly figure out what coherent thoughts would be behind this statement. Even basic reading for comprehension of this statement requires that I perceptually move into something known as 'social consciousness', which is the mindframe of rote beleifs that is the manipulated, manufactured version of reality the PTB have created for you to 'analyse' the world with, conveniently missing all the finer points and truths to behold.

If you have some enlightenment to share, please do.

I think NancyV means to say that the explosion could have been caused by Muslim extremists, rather than Intelligence agents pretending to be Muslim extremists. I accept the possibility, but I do not think it all that likely.

Well okay, thanks for speaking for someone else, whom perhaps you are a mirror for?!

Since it appears I must spell it out, the statement 'LEGITIMATE muslim extremist attack' is rife with nonsensical generalization, 'marketed' beleif statements sold to you by the blatently manipulative mainstream media and cognitively dissonant understandings of the terms being used. If you are employing, and therefore subscribing to the supposedly LEGITIMATE reality of a term like this, step one if you are serious about evolving your consciouness is to become aware that you're going to need to pull a major Cartesian dialogue with yourself and go back to first principles. Meaning, you are likely going to have to erase a LOT of programming that is influencing your mind and blocking your true awareness and perception of events unfolding in the world around you because you are obviously trying to explain away or cover up or hide from the fact that you are under some major mind control that is affecting your ability to articulate coherently without cognitively dissonant concepts being in the foreground of your conciousness.

Just my opinion.

And I only know this because a few years ago I would have been able to follow along that train of thought quite nicely, without missing a beat. Luckily, I got off that dead end track at the station somewhere in the desert, and trust me, its been a lot clearer, more full of truth and yes, my way of responding to these modes of thinking has gotten quite dry. Part of the terrain these days.[COLOR="red"]

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2+2=4+7=11 /2011 This is occult astronomy. False flag, just like 9/11 7/7.

Another numerological interpretation is

7 magic
22 master number
11 initiate

[Operator]

8938

The man arrested responsible for the killing of over 80 kids at a political youth rally and the bomb in Oslo today. A freemason by 3dgr.

Are you sure about the AND ?

[onawah]

See the thread at:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?25913-Federal-Reserve-Audit-Reaveals-16-trillion-in-unauthorised-loans-----&p=268237#post268237
"Federal Reserve Audit Reveals 16 trillion in unauthorised loans!!!!!

What was revealed in the audit was startling: $16,000,000,000,000.00 had been secretly given out to US banks and corporations and foreign banks everywhere from France to Scotland. From the period between December 2007 and June 2010, the Federal Reserve had secretly bailed out many of the world’s banks, corporations, and governments. The Federal Reserve likes to refer to these secret bailouts as an all-inclusive loan program, but virtually none of the money has been returned and it was loaned out at 0% interest. Why the Federal Reserve had never been public about this or even informed the United States Congress about the $16 trillion dollar bailout is obvious — the American public would have been outraged to find out that the Federal Reserve bailed out foreign banks while Americans were struggling to find jobs.

To place $16 trillion into perspective, remember that GDP of the United States is only $14.12 trillion. The entire national debt of the United States government spanning its 200+ year history is “only” $14.5 trillion. The budget that is being debated so heavily in Congress and the Senate is “only” $3.5 trillion. Take all of the outrage and debate over the $1.5 trillion deficit into consideration, and swallow this Red pill: There was no debate about whether $16,000,000,000,000 would be given to failing banks and failing corporations around the world."

http://www.unelected.org/audit-of-th...ecret-bailouts

http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/n...3-62060DCBB3C3

http://www.scribd.com/doc/60553686/G...-Investigation "

We know that false flag events often occur after a story like this surfaces, to draw attention away from it, so the public will not revolt. This story of the Fed audit could certainly qualify as one of those stories to be covered up at all costs, couldn't it? Though why Norway would be targeted is another question...

[onawah]

8938

The man arrested responsible for the killing of over 80 kids at a political youth rally and the bomb in Oslo today. A freemason by 3dgr.

80 kids? I thought it was 7.

[modwiz]

See the thread at:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?25913-Federal-Reserve-Audit-Reaveals-16-trillion-in-unauthorised-loans-----&p=268237#post268237
"Federal Reserve Audit Reaveals 16 trillion in unauthorised loans!!!!!

What was revealed in the audit was startling: $16,000,000,000,000.00 had been secretly given out to US banks and corporations and foreign banks everywhere from France to Scotland. From the period between December 2007 and June 2010, the Federal Reserve had secretly bailed out many of the world’s banks, corporations, and governments. The Federal Reserve likes to refer to these secret bailouts as an all-inclusive loan program, but virtually none of the money has been returned and it was loaned out at 0% interest. Why the Federal Reserve had never been public about this or even informed the United States Congress about the $16 trillion dollar bailout is obvious — the American public would have been outraged to find out that the Federal Reserve bailed out foreign banks while Americans were struggling to find jobs.

To place $16 trillion into perspective, remember that GDP of the United States is only $14.12 trillion. The entire national debt of the United States government spanning its 200+ year history is “only” $14.5 trillion. The budget that is being debated so heavily in Congress and the Senate is “only” $3.5 trillion. Take all of the outrage and debate over the $1.5 trillion deficit into consideration, and swallow this Red pill: There was no debate about whether $16,000,000,000,000 would be given to failing banks and failing corporations around the world."

http://www.unelected.org/audit-of-th...ecret-bailouts

http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/n...3-62060DCBB3C3

http://www.scribd.com/doc/60553686/G...-Investigation "

We know that false flag events often occur after a story like this surfaces, to draw attention away from it, so the public will not revolt. This story of the Fed audit could certainly qualify as one of those stories to be covered up at all costs, couldn't it? Though why Norway would be targeted is another question...

Murdered white youth are an especially shocking crime for the Western senses.

[161803398]

July 22nd is the Feast of Mary Magdalene. I dk if there is an occult equivalent of that.

[modwiz]

July 22nd is the Feast of Mary Magdalene. I dk if there is an occult equivalent of that.

Thank you for that. I was wondering which holy day the Satanists were offering a sacrifice for. I don't know if they need an equivalent, they just like to enact counter rituals to any christian observance.

The raw psychopathy and disregard for life is the signature of this bunch. Young people and terror provides even higher quality 'food' for their 4-D overlords, while providing much wanted cover for other things in the news.

BTW, The FM of Norway announced they would be supporting Palestinian statehood on 7/19/11.
http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/07/19/53408557.html

[Hervé]

Murdered white youth are an especially shocking crime for the Western senses.

... in contrast to Depleted Uranium bullets, stray and others, flying all over former Mesopotomia?

[modwiz]

Murdered white youth are an especially shocking crime for the Western senses.

... in contrast to Depleted Uranium bullets, stray and others, flying all over former Mesopotomia?

Exactly, DU and Muslims, that are not all white looking, is hardly cause for missing a baseball game, or a night's sleep.

[jcocks]

I'm angry. This sort of thing is the *LAST* thing we need right now! TPTB have no right to pull this sort of stunt.

I think focussed prayer is needed. It has to be the last time this happens. There's too much at stake now.

Who's in with me?

[modwiz]

Norway supports recognition of a Palestinian State.

On 7/19/11 the Norwegian Foreign Minister announced that his country would likely be recognizing a Palestinian State.

http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/07/19/53408557.html

[Carmody]

Norway supports recognition of a Palestinian State.

On 7/19/11 the Norwegian Foreign Minister announced that his country would likely be recognizing a Palestinian State.

http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/07/19/53408557.html

I wonder if this will cause them to have a change of heart?

Too Blatant.

However, we've seen worse turnarounds.

[onawah]

Norway supports recognition of a Palestinian State.

On 7/19/11 the Norwegian Foreign Minister announced that his country would likely be recognizing a Palestinian State.

http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/07/19/53408557.html

So that might be a possible reason for Norway being targeted in a false flag event, to distract from the Fed audit story.

[Carmody]

July 22nd is the Feast of Mary Magdalene. I dk if there is an occult equivalent of that.


This is interesting:

Mary Magdalene (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Magdalene) is considered by the Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican, and Lutheran churches to be a saint, with a feast day of July 22. The Eastern Orthodox churches also commemorate her on the Sunday of the Myrrhbearers. She is also an important figure in the Bahá'í Faith. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%27%C3%AD_Faith) (text from link below)


In the Bahá'í Faith, religious history is seen to have unfolded through a series of divine messengers, each of whom established a religion that was suited to the needs of the time and the capacity of the people. These messengers have included Abraham, the Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad and others, and most recently the Báb and Bahá'u'lláh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%27u%27ll%C3%A1h). In Bahá'í belief, each consecutive messenger prophesied of messengers to follow, and Bahá'u'lláh's life and teachings fulfilled the end-time promises of previous scriptures. Humanity is understood to be in a process of collective evolution, and the need of the present time is for the gradual establishment of peace, justice and unity on a global scale.

Bahá'í beliefs are sometimes described as syncretic combinations of earlier religions' beliefs.[20] Bahá'ís, however, assert that their religion is a distinct tradition with its own scriptures, teachings, laws, and history.[13][21] Its religious background in Shi'a Islam is seen as analogous to the Jewish context in which Christianity was established


Bahá'u'lláh was the founder of the Bahá'í Faith. He claimed to be the prophetic fulfilment of Bábism, a 19th-century outgrowth of Shí‘ism, but in a broader sense claimed to be a messenger from God referring to the fulfilment of the eschatological expectations of Islam, Christianity, and other major religions.

Bahá'u'lláh taught that humanity is one single race and that the age has come for its unification in a global society.

The back of the temple (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/Bah%C3%A1%27%C3%AD_gardens_by_David_Shankbone.jpg) in Haifa, Israel. look down to the right center. I think the guy's cleaning or taking relief.

[modwiz]

Norway supports recognition of a Palestinian State.

On 7/19/11 the Norwegian Foreign Minister announced that his country would likely be recognizing a Palestinian State.

http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/07/19/53408557.html

So that might be a possible reason for Norway being targeted in a false flag event, to distract from the Fed audit story.

Possibly but, a little overkill for just another scam at the Fed.

I think the Palestinian State recognition is a story of greater importance.

[jackovesk]

'A Madman's work': 87 dead in Norway attacks

A home-grown terrorist set off an explosion that ripped open buildings in the heart of Norway's government, and then went to a summer camp dressed as a police officer and gunned down youths as they ran and even swam for their lives.

Police say at least 80 people were killed in the shooting spree at the youth camp on the island of Utoeya where hundreds of youth were attending an event organised by the youth wing of Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg's Labour Party.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/a-madmans-work-87-dead-in-norway-attacks-20110723-1htu6.html

http://images.theage.com.au/2011/07/23/2511509/terror169-408x264.jpg
acted alone in both attacks. WTF..!


A police official said Anders Behring Breivik, a 32-year-old ethnic Norwegian suspect arrested at the camp on Utoeya island appears to have acted alone in both attacks. :nono:

``It seems like that this is not linked to any international terrorist organisations at all,'' he said.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because that information had not been officially released by Norway's police.

``It seems it's not Islamic-terror related,'' the official said. ``This seems like a madman's work.''

The official said the attack ``is probably more Norway's Oklahoma City than it is Norway's World Trade Centre.''

Described as 6ft tall and blond, Breivik is reported to have arrived on the island of Utoya and opened fire after beckoning several young people over in his native Norwegian tongue.

Reports suggest he was also seen loitering around the site of the bomb blast in Oslo two hours before the island incident - and also before the capital's explosion.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/explosion-at-office-of-norwegian-tabloid-newspaper-vg/story-e6frf7jo-1226100159686


Photo of him with a gun shooting at people.

http://politicons.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/NewImage25.png

(Full Screen Here)

http://i53.tinypic.com/23r263t.jpg

UPDATE: He has a Twitter account hereTwitter account here (https://twitter.com/#!/AndersBBreivik). He has only one tweet that reads: "One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100 000 who have only interests."

http://www.boingboing.net/2011/07/22/Screen-shot-2011-07-22-at-4.55.jpg

A Wikipedia page (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik) has been created about him.

Wiki Quote: "Following his apprehension, Breivik was characterized by officials as being a right-wing extremist"

Then this...


The suspect arrested in today's bombing and shooting attacks in Oslo is 32-year-old Anders Behring Breivik, who is believed to have links to right-wing extremist and anti-immigrant (read: anti-Muslim) organizations. (source: Sky News). And now, he has a Wikipedia page. The Daily Mail has photos.

Here's what Norwegian media are reporting as his Facebook page, and Twitter account. Looks like they were both just activated within the past week, which is all very suspicious.

Aftenposten notes that he is said to be a Conservative Christian and a Mason, and into hunting and bodybuilding.

He owned a farming company that had access to chemicals believed to have been used for bomb-making.

According to comments attributed to him on various Norwegian right-wing/anti-immigrant forums, he was a fan of an array of white supremacist and anti-Muslim pundits—including some from the US. Assuming it's legit, all of this makes early reports that Muslims were responsible for the attacks all the more regrettable.

http://www.boingboing.net/2011/07/22/oslo-terror-suspect.html


PS - ACTED ALONE??? Do you 'NWO Criminal Bastards' think the World is that 'Bloody Stupid'..!

ONE MAN 'SHOT' 80 PEOPLE after racing away from the bomb he set-off in Oslo??? C'Mon..!!! I don't think so..!!!

PSS - Oh I forgot he's a Freemason aswell...Go Figure???

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/07/23/article-2017709-0D1F33FB00000578-704_306x512.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2017851/Police-dismiss-initial-fears-Norwegian-terror-attacks-work-Islamist-organisations.html

ALL OF THIS INFORMATION conveniently found in less than 24hrs after the ATTACKS!

:nono:

PSSS - "FALSE FLAG" ANYONE..?

:yes4:

[Carmody]

Norway supports recognition of a Palestinian State.

On 7/19/11 the Norwegian Foreign Minister announced that his country would likely be recognizing a Palestinian State.

http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/07/19/53408557.html

So that might be a possible reason for Norway being targeted in a false flag event, to distract from the Fed audit story.

That is the mark of the hidden hand. Single move - Multiple Unfolding.

[loveandgratitude]

Norway to support Palestinians – Norwegian FM

Jul 19, 2011 10:16

Norway will support Palestinians who are set to press for recognition of the independence of their state by the United Nations, says the Norwegian Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Støre.

He was speaking following his talks in Oslo with the Palestinian National Administration Head Mahmoud Abbas.

Støre said he saw a likely recognition of Palestine’s independence by the United Nations as no hindrance to a peaceful settlement in the Middle East. He said the Palestinian-Israeli talks should continue irrespectively of the UN voting results.


MOSSAD ANYONE -- IS THIS A REVENGE BOMBING BY MOSSAD

[modwiz]

Norway supports recognition of a Palestinian State.

On 7/19/11 the Norwegian Foreign Minister announced that his country would likely be recognizing a Palestinian State.

http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/07/19/53408557.html



So that might be a possible reason for Norway being targeted in a false flag event, to distract from the Fed audit story.

That is the mark of the hidden hand. Single move - Multiple Unfolding.

Thank you Carmody, my thoughts EXACTLY. I was trying to keep it simple. My bad. 'They' are good at economy/results.

[loveandgratitude]

Norway supports recognition of a Palestinian State.

On 7/19/11 the Norwegian Foreign Minister announced that his country would likely be recognizing a Palestinian State.

http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/07/19/53408557.html


MODWIZ................You are already on to it...............I will second that.

[Rocky_Shorz]

they have photo's of the Island a support rally for the boycott against Israel was being held there before the attack...

the PM was going to speak at the gathering...


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/sites/default/files/imagecache/BlogsMainImage/store_utoya-570x320.jpg

PM on the island (http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/norway-jul-23-2011-0804)

[onawah]

they have photo's of the Island a support rally for the boycott against Israel was being held there before the attack...

the PM was going to speak at the gathering...

Well, that certainly explains it then!!

[onawah]

Norway supports recognition of a Palestinian State.

On 7/19/11 the Norwegian Foreign Minister announced that his country would likely be recognizing a Palestinian State.

http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/07/19/53408557.html

So that might be a possible reason for Norway being targeted in a false flag event, to distract from the Fed audit story.

Possibly but, a little overkill for just another scam at the Fed.

I think the Palestinian State recognition is a story of greater importance.


The Fed audit story is not "just another scam at the Fed", it's a $16 trillion scam! Suggest you read the whole thread at:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?25913-Federal-Reserve-Audit-Reaveals-16-trillion-in-unauthorised-loans-----

[modwiz]

Norway supports recognition of a Palestinian State.

On 7/19/11 the Norwegian Foreign Minister announced that his country would likely be recognizing a Palestinian State.

http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/07/19/53408557.html

So that might be a possible reason for Norway being targeted in a false flag event, to distract from the Fed audit story.

Possibly but, a little overkill for just another scam at the Fed.

I think the Palestinian State recognition is a story of greater importance.


The Fed audit story is not "just another scam at the Fed", it's a $16 trillion scam! Suggest you read the whole thread at:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?25913-Federal-Reserve-Audit-Reaveals-16-trillion-in-unauthorised-loans-----

I did. There are subtleties going on here. As someone else posted a little earlier. A twofer, as a minimum, is a style of hidden hands.

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they have photo's of the Island a support rally for the boycott against Israel was being held there before the attack...

the PM was going to speak at the gathering...


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/sites/default/files/imagecache/BlogsMainImage/store_utoya-570x320.jpg

PM on the island (http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/norway-jul-23-2011-0804)

Look at those fresh young faces holding that banner. I wonder if they are still alive?

[ghostrider]

the guy with three names, acted alone? 44,800.000 websites about this already? no one took a shot at him after the first 20 rounds or so? I need knee high boots and lots of toilet paper . they think these mk ultra nwo secret boy band bull%$# is gonna fly ? to all involved in this FALSE FLAG BS go to walmart get a two foot step ladder climb up on it and kiss my &^%

[Rocky_Shorz]

he called everyone together to hear his info on the bombings that just happened...

they were shoulder to shoulder in front of him when...


80 kids dead, haven't heard a count on injuries...

[ghostrider]

http://images.theage.com.au/2011/07/23/2511509/terror169-408x264.jpg
acted alone in both attacks. WTF..!


A police official said Anders Behring Breivik, a 32-year-old ethnic Norwegian suspect arrested at the camp on Utoeya island appears to have acted alone in both attacks. :nono:

``It seems like that this is not linked to any international terrorist organisations at all,'' he said.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because that information had not been officially released by Norway's police.

``It seems it's not Islamic-terror related,'' the official said. ``This seems like a madman's work.''

The official said the attack ``is probably more Norway's Oklahoma City than it is Norway's World Trade Centre.''

Described as 6ft tall and blond, Breivik is reported to have arrived on the island of Utoya and opened fire after beckoning several young people over in his native Norwegian tongue.

Reports suggest he was also seen loitering around the site of the bomb blast in Oslo two hours before the island incident - and also before the capital's explosion.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/explosion-at-office-of-norwegian-tabloid-newspaper-vg/story-e6frf7jo-1226100159686


Photo of him with a gun shooting at people.

http://politicons.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/NewImage25.png

(Full Screen Here)

http://i53.tinypic.com/23r263t.jpg

UPDATE: He has a Twitter account hereTwitter account here (https://twitter.com/#!/AndersBBreivik). He has only one tweet that reads: "One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100 000 who have only interests."

http://www.boingboing.net/2011/07/22/Screen-shot-2011-07-22-at-4.55.jpg

A Wikipedia page (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik) has been created about him.

Wiki Quote: "Following his apprehension, Breivik was characterized by officials as being a right-wing extremist"

Then this...


The suspect arrested in today's bombing and shooting attacks in Oslo is 32-year-old Anders Behring Breivik, who is believed to have links to right-wing extremist and anti-immigrant (read: anti-Muslim) organizations. (source: Sky News). And now, he has a Wikipedia page. The Daily Mail has photos.

Here's what Norwegian media are reporting as his Facebook page, and Twitter account. Looks like they were both just activated within the past week, which is all very suspicious.

Aftenposten notes that he is said to be a Conservative Christian and a Mason, and into hunting and bodybuilding.

He owned a farming company that had access to chemicals believed to have been used for bomb-making.

According to comments attributed to him on various Norwegian right-wing/anti-immigrant forums, he was a fan of an array of white supremacist and anti-Muslim pundits—including some from the US. Assuming it's legit, all of this makes early reports that Muslims were responsible for the attacks all the more regrettable.

http://www.boingboing.net/2011/07/22/oslo-terror-suspect.html


PS - ACTED ALONE??? Do you 'NWO Criminal Bastards' think the World is that 'Bloody Stupid'..!

PSS - Oh I forgot he's a Freemason aswell...Go Figure???

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/07/23/article-2017709-0D1F33FB00000578-704_306x512.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2017851/Police-dismiss-initial-fears-Norwegian-terror-attacks-work-Islamist-organisations.html

ALL OF THIS INFORMATION conveniently found in less than 24hrs after the ATTACKS!

:nono:

PSSS - "FALSE FLAG" ANYONE..?

:yes4:
simply BRILLIANT my good man.

[Ellisa]

In this morning's papers (July 23) we are being told that the total death toll is 87 dead in the two sites, ie the Oslo CBD and the Youth Camp. A photograph of the alleged gunman shows a blond, blue-eyed Norwegian man in his early 30s with a Norwegian name (that I should have noted!). Whilst he may be Muslim and of European appearance, or a front for some shadowy organisation, the article I read stated that this appears to be more likely to be "Norway's Oklahoma bombing than a Twin Towers incident".

This still leaves a large area for speculation, but perhaps it is a bit early to assume any certainty on the situation.

[Rocky_Shorz]

no, he was a right wing-nut that attacked a rally against Israel...

[Rocky_Shorz]

one thing I can tell all of you, that is what Norway and EVERYONE watching will think, a Zionist terrorist attack...

[Oxygen]

He has been active for a couple of years on a right-wing website , www.document.no ...... http://www.document.no/anders-behring-breivik/ <<<< this is a summary of his posts there.... All in norwegian... but apperantly nothing in his posts to suggest he was more than just talk and debate.
He moved from his apartment in Oslo 1 month ago , to a farm outside the city....

[Lucc30]

http://www.bt.no/nyheter/innenriks/Siste-nytt-om-terroraksjonen-i-Oslo-2541315.html
(Not confirmed: he was probably not working alone as observations says he was speaking in a headset during the massacre).
The best reliable website with short confirmed news updates (use google translate).

Anders Behring Breivik: Right-wing, christian conservationist, freemason, well educated and a successful entrepreneur. This reeks of Illuminati (bloodline) mind control.

Cui bono?

A tragedy!

[MorgaineFallen]

haven't followed too closely yet (have been out all day)

two things pop up in my mind

- Leo ZAGAMI

- HAARP station


and I also bet my life, they will blame Norwegian Black Metal on any of this...

cheers

Actually,before this monsters name was out,they d i d try to pin this on Norweigan Black Metal performers. There are many similarities in the persons police records though,so it was not very far fetched. My husband figured since the psycho likes WoW there will be a new heat in the "computorgames makes murderers"debate again...

[Lucrum]

My husband figured since the psycho likes WoW there will be a new heat in the "computorgames makes murderers"debate again...

He probably likes coffee too, does that make every coffee drinking person a potential psycopath? Heh...but you're right, just have to be something to blame.

I guess the worst part is, with the current punishments administered in Norway, he's looking at 21 years behind walls. It's our harshest punishment.
Don't you love it...

[DNA]

I'm surprised anyone seems to think they KNOW that this is a false flag event. If you think every bombing like this is a false flag event then I guess you don't think there are any problems at all with radical Muslim extremism. I have no idea if this was a false flag bombing or if the shooting outside the city at a youth camp shortly after the bombing where a lone gunman shot five people was another false flag event: http://www.montereyherald.com/breaking/ci_18529081 . Whether or not these two events were related remains to be seen.

This could be a legitimate Muslim extremist attack. Norway has had many threats from Muslims in the past and one just a week ago where a Muslim cleric said he would kill Norwegians if he was deported. I personally don't know if this was a terror attack or a false flag. If you have a belief system that every one of these events is a false flag because you believe all Muslims are peace loving victims of the PTB or elites, that seems to me to be equally as ignorant as those who believe that all mainstream news is truthful and governments don't lie. It's pretty obvious to me that there ARE many terrorists in the world, especially since my husband was an International counter terrorist agent. He may have been incorrect in his beliefs at that time that all terrorism was unjustified and governments did not often create terrorists through incorrect policies, but he KNOWS what terrorism is and that all terrorists do NOT work for the PTB or elites in governments.

Personally I don't think there is any justification for terror attacks no matter by whom they are done. Terrorism is the deliberate killing of innocent people to make a point or to take vengeance. It's not collateral damage, it's a random killing where you don't care who gets hit. The bombing in Norway was a terror attack. Norway has had many problems with Muslims. It's quite possible that this was an attack by a radical Muslim group and not a false flag event. It's also possible that it is a false flag event since the PTB and governments DO use terrorism to their advantage. Deciding which one it is with no real clue except a belief system seems pretty stupid to me. Just because we completely mistrust the PTB doesn't mean they do ALL the nasty things in the world.

Beliefs limit ones ability to see reality and allow one to be more easily manipulated.

Nancy almost all of the harm that's been laid at the feet of the "radical muslim extremist" has been a false flag.
And this being one of the few places that such folks happen to be the majority and not the minority in that opinion.

I'm sure now it is common knowledge that the supposed lone attacker set this bomb in conjuction with shootiing 80 people in a youth camp. (http://news.yahoo.com/witnesses-describe-scene-terror-norway-camp-010853069.html)

There is no way I'm buying this guy was working alone.
This screams of MKULTRA to me.
Especially given that the attack was a federal building and the children were the children of party politics.


from the linked article above


Survivors described a scene of sheer terror at the camp, which is organized by the youth wing of Norway's ruling Labor party. Hundreds of young people were eagerly awaiting a speech the prime minister was to give there Saturday.
Police said the man arrested in the shooting is Norwegian and had set off a bomb that killed seven people outside the prime minister's headquarters in Oslo, about 20 miles (35 kilometers) from the camp.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Oh boy ... I think words are inadequate...

Whats the point?? Why?

I can't imagine what our friends think of this!... Wheres the light guys? Those poor kids thought they were doing a good cause for humanity>>>trying to show the light for Palestine ect etc >>>

HELLO UP THERE ARE YOU WATCHING THIS >>>>>> TELL ME WHAT LESSON DO WE LEARN FROM THIS????

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

viking

[DNA]

Oh boy ... I think words are inadequate...

Whats the point?? Why?

I can't imagine what our friends think of this!... Wheres the light guys? Those poor kids thought they were doing a good cause for humanity>>>trying to show the light for Palestine ect etc >>>

HELLO UP THERE ARE YOU WATCHING THIS >>>>>> TELL ME WHAT LESSON DO WE LEARN FROM THIS????

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

viking

I have to agree with modwiz. There are brown people all over the world dying in droves, but when we see western clad white kids being killed it is some how more appalling.
And it is appalling, but this is kind of how the Yogoslavia thing hit people when Clinton decided to invade.
Rowanda and the Ivory coast were far more taxing in actual suffering and human death. Yet the US did nothing in those instances.

This is meant to have impact.
I'm sure we will find out soon enough how TPTB are going to try and funnel the energy from the outrage and shock generated from todays events.

[heyokah]

***
From OZ CONSPIRACY HOUSE

Oslo Terror: Whose Agenda Does It Serve?

Article by Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Friday, July 22, 2011


Today’s bombing in Oslo and a related mass shooting that occurred just outside the Norwegian capital are already replete with inconsistencies and questions that demand further inquiry into whose agenda this deadly attack serves.

Authorities have already said that the man who carried out the shootings at a youth camp in a nearby resort has direct ties to the earlier bombing in Oslo of a government building.

An eyewitness to the blast who was just 200 feet away from the explosion called into the Alex Jones show and stated that there was a “bomb sweep” of the area the day before the attack. Norwegian television also reported this story.

According to a Norwegian who emailed us, his father who is an explosives expert has analyzed the bombing scene and states that due to the pattern of the damage and debris, the blast was clearly underground.

There are also reports that the road was closed off in recent days for underground sewer works.
This is inconsistent with the official story that the blast was caused by a car bomb.

Friday was a public holiday in Norway and the building that was bombed was largely empty, which is why only seven people died.
The Daily Mail reports, “Fortunately, it is a public holiday in Norway and the offices are less busy than a normal weekday.”

Why would “terrorists,” who presumably want to kill as many people as possible, choose to bomb the building on a day when they know it will be almost empty?

Reports that the culprit of the mass shooting at a Labour youth camp outside Oslo, who early indications show killed at least 25 people, was a blonde-haired Norwegian man, fit perfectly into the recent propaganda campaign to hype the “white Al-Qaeda” as the most deadly terror threat.

Self-proclaimed security experts quoted by Reuters are already predicting the blame will “fall on both Islamists and right-wing extremists,” in some form of alliance that led to a “hybrid assault,” which in an of itself is a ludicrous notion but does serve to link anti-government sentiment amongst the host population with Muslim terrorism, which has been the goal all along.

As Kurt Nimmo reports, the man accused of leading the group blamed by some for the bombing, Mullah Krekar, has had dealings with the CIA previously, having been approached to work with them in 2005. Members of Krekar’s group, Ansar al-Islam, are veterans of the CIA-ISI collaborative war against the Soviets in Afghanistan.

Is the attack a slap on the wrist for Norwegian meddling in the globalist agenda? Norway is not a member of the European Union and its recent actions will have undoubtedly angered many of the power players amongst the global elite within that inner circle.

Specifically, Norway’s support for full Palestinian statehood, set to be voted on at the UN in September, Norway’s decision to reverse its support for the bombardment of Libya and withdraw completely from the NATO operation on August 1, and Norway’s move to freeze a $42 million dollar payment to Greece, an obvious hindrance to recent efforts to prop up the country’s dire debt crisis, are all massive issues that could have caused a fall out between Norway and the Anglo-American establishment.

http://www.ozconspiracyhouse.org/frontend/2011/07/23/oslo-terror-whose-agenda-does-it-serve/

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Update:

As far as my info goes.... there was no "public holiday" in Norway yesterday ......

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[Midnight Rambler]

Strange pic of the purp. Why would they decide to put out the picture in his Masons clothes? So every conspiracy nut (myself included :)) will get riled up?

http://www.geenstijl.nl/archives/images/grootdadert.jpg

[bennycog]

thanx jacko :) your on the ball mate

[Malachi]

***
From OZ CONSPIRACY HOUSE

Oslo Terror: Whose Agenda Does It Serve?

Article by Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Friday, July 22, 2011


Today’s bombing in Oslo and a related mass shooting that occurred just outside the Norwegian capital are already replete with inconsistencies and questions that demand further inquiry into whose agenda this deadly attack serves.

Authorities have already said that the man who carried out the shootings at a youth camp in a nearby resort has direct ties to the earlier bombing in Oslo of a government building.

An eyewitness to the blast who was just 200 feet away from the explosion called into the Alex Jones show and stated that there was a “bomb sweep” of the area the day before the attack. Norwegian television also reported this story.

According to a Norwegian who emailed us, his father who is an explosives expert has analyzed the bombing scene and states that due to the pattern of the damage and debris, the blast was clearly underground.

There are also reports that the road was closed off in recent days for underground sewer works.
This is inconsistent with the official story that the blast was caused by a car bomb.

Friday was a public holiday in Norway and the building that was bombed was largely empty, which is why only seven people died.
The Daily Mail reports, “Fortunately, it is a public holiday in Norway and the offices are less busy than a normal weekday.”

Why would “terrorists,” who presumably want to kill as many people as possible, choose to bomb the building on a day when they know it will be almost empty?

Reports that the culprit of the mass shooting at a Labour youth camp outside Oslo, who early indications show killed at least 25 people, was a blonde-haired Norwegian man, fit perfectly into the recent propaganda campaign to hype the “white Al-Qaeda” as the most deadly terror threat.

Self-proclaimed security experts quoted by Reuters are already predicting the blame will “fall on both Islamists and right-wing extremists,” in some form of alliance that led to a “hybrid assault,” which in an of itself is a ludicrous notion but does serve to link anti-government sentiment amongst the host population with Muslim terrorism, which has been the goal all along.

As Kurt Nimmo reports, the man accused of leading the group blamed by some for the bombing, Mullah Krekar, has had dealings with the CIA previously, having been approached to work with them in 2005. Members of Krekar’s group, Ansar al-Islam, are veterans of the CIA-ISI collaborative war against the Soviets in Afghanistan.

Is the attack a slap on the wrist for Norwegian meddling in the globalist agenda? Norway is not a member of the European Union and its recent actions will have undoubtedly angered many of the power players amongst the global elite within that inner circle.

Specifically, Norway’s support for full Palestinian statehood, set to be voted on at the UN in September, Norway’s decision to reverse its support for the bombardment of Libya and withdraw completely from the NATO operation on August 1, and Norway’s move to freeze a $42 million dollar payment to Greece, an obvious hindrance to recent efforts to prop up the country’s dire debt crisis, are all massive issues that could have caused a fall out between Norway and the Anglo-American establishment.

http://www.ozconspiracyhouse.org/frontend/2011/07/23/oslo-terror-whose-agenda-does-it-serve/

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Update:

As far as my info goes.... there was no "public holiday" in Norway yesterday ......

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well, I'm not buying into conspiration theories easily, but this is interesting. it seems that 07.22. is not a public holiday in Norway, but than why was the building empty? they say it was late on friday, that's why, but hmm...and the underground sewer works...

but what bothers me most, the 80 young victim on that island...I just can't comprehend why on Earth does anyone something like this. to kill 80 young people with cold blood, with a gun, really, this guy is...I don't know, I can't find the words. just look at the picture above, as he stands and the bodies around him, and the guy in the water who begs for mercy...really, this is horrible.

whoever is responsible for this, should be punished.

[Omni connexae!]

He played WoW, heres a thread he started on WoW forums ages ago: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/927077585?page=1

Conservatism = Anders Behring Breivik

[Lord Sidious]

I am getting the word that this guy was NOT a ''right wing extremist.''
He was a pro zionist, anti nationalist individual, the exact opposite of what a ''right wing extremist'' would be.
My contacts tell me he was probably a member or follower of the progress party.
They find it strange that he got automatic weapons and fertiliser too.

[Eric J (Viking)]

I am getting the word that this guy was NOT a ''right wing extremist.''
He was a pro zionist, anti nationalist individual, the exact opposite of what a ''right wing extremist'' would be.
My contacts tell me he was probably a member or follower of the progress party.
They find it strange that he got automatic weapons and fertiliser too.

http://cr4.globalspec.com/PostImages/200810/hit_nail_on_head_D09F6890-FA3D-476C-002B3D4C22F3A74A.jpg#nail%20on%20the%20head

viking

[Lord Sidious]

Getting news from Sweden now.
Another one is arrested just now.
He has been arrested outside a hotel where people were mourning the dead.
He was armed with a knife.
It looks like it isn't connected to the bombing, he is a member of the same youth group that were attacked.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Ut%C3%B8ya,+Norge&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sll=60.023831,10.251945&sspn=0.00167,0.005681&t=h&z=15

This is the island.

I am told Breivik rented a farm that the guys involved in armed robberies had rented not long beforehand.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NOKAS_robbery

[WhiteFeather]

Fear will seperate us, And Love just makes us whole. Our thoughts, prayers and Light to the ones effected by this tragedy.

[Lord Sidious]

I hear another report from one of the survivors that he appeared totally calm as he shot people down and changed magazines to reload.
This sounds eerily like port arthur.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)

[DoubleHelix]

Sounds like your typical Manchurian Candidate ! Terrible stuff, my heart goes out to the victims in Oslo!

[Omni connexae!]

anti nationalist individual

Hmm, anti nationalist? its plastered all over MSN that he was pro nationalist, not that MSM is to be trusted, but what has given you the idea that he's anti nationalist?

[Lord Sidious]

anti nationalist individual

Hmm, anti nationalist? its plastered all over MSN that he was pro nationalist, not that MSM is to be trusted, but what has given you the idea that he's anti nationalist so i can look further?

I am in a group conference right now with people in Sweden and Norway who are nationalists and know of this guy.

[Lord Sidious]

Just got given his tax details.
Very, very interesting.
He made nothing 2006 and suddenly had a huge amount in his bank account.
http://www.kjendis.no/skatt/sok/?op=Person&id=748647&ar=2009&urlnavn=ANDERS+BEHRING+BREIVIK
It is possible that it was an inheritance or something.

[WhiteFeather]

Just got given his tax details.
Very, very interesting.
He made nothing 2006 and suddenly had a huge amount in his bank account.
http://www.kjendis.no/skatt/sok/?op=Person&id=748647&ar=2009&urlnavn=ANDERS+BEHRING+BREIVIK
It is possible that it was an inheritance or something.

Interesting!

[taurad]

wow

right when i think i've seen a lot of weird events, comes this!!!

W T F!!!

i'm gonna be patient on this one...first i'm gonna wait for clean info, this one needs some serious dissection...

so far the data is very contradicting, possibly on purpose

1- lone gunman, performs two acts on 1 day, on two different locations

on the other hand he was wearing earpieces



2- right-wing extremist, ultra-nationalist

on the other hand open's fire on a anti-zionist rally?????!!!!!

on the other hand was probably a pro-zionist


3- his background,

32 years old mason

when has anyone ever seen a mason in robes getting caught RED HANDED, just hours after the deed...

one usually hears of a "conspiratorial" theory of masonry linked in things centuries ago and difficult to validate, often get ridiculed...

now you see this one in robes, just hours after the deed...


why are "THEY" allowing this happening????

maybe is a inner battle between masonry factions???

and all this in Norway, the calmest place in the world



i think they really upped the game to very high levels...getting very complicated


patience and cheers

[Arc]

haven't followed too closely yet (have been out all day)

two things pop up in my mind

- Leo ZAGAMI

- HAARP station


and I also bet my life, they will blame Norwegian Black Metal on any of this...

cheers

Leo Zagami popped up in my mind also. Specifically, related to this interview from 2008 - also around the time Bill and Kerry interviewed him I believe. After he started whistle-blowing on the Illuminati, he was getting a lot of trouble where he lived in Norway by the authorities.

At about 3:10 in the interview he starts talking about Norwegian authorities wanting to arrest him. At 3:50 he states Norway is acting as criminals against him and goes on to state he is going to unleash chaos in Norway, detonate bombs, make revolution, threatens the prime minister, etc. (if you want to listen to this, hurry and download the video in case it gets pulled off youtube). It gave me an eerie feeling when I heard this.

Does anyone else think there is a connection to recent events?

OIJZ_FlhCvU

[Laura Elina]

Whoever or whatever is behind this, it is a human tragedy first and most of all, all speculation aside, I feel a sting in my heart (mildly put), thinking we truly are capable of maneuvering things like this into reality (again and again and again...), enough has been enough for a long time now, there may be very few with tremendous power, but we chose to give it away and I feel a responsibility over that, I've been here a long time and I let this happen too, but it's time to stand up and start shaking people by their shoulders.. United we stand, divided we fall... Old saying, but bears repeating. We'll be together forever (in one way or another simply put) so we better start getting along with each other, even if it's as simple as saying hello to your neighbor and asking how they are, the building of a bridge starts with one stone and we (as a whole) are being rip apart by these horrendous things and are standing at the opposite ends of the universe it seems, staring and sizing each other up like animals (no offense).

The question is what are we going to do next?

I believe there is a little passage somewhere that says something like love conquers all...

And I know we know this here and a lot of people are probably saying "well duh". The people, who were lost in these incidents, let's wish them a safe journey from this point on.

[Jake]

(Regarding Leo Zagami)

WOW!!! This is quite creepy!!! he is PISSED at Norway!! Makes me wonder how many people are pissed at Norway!!

[heyokah]

Whoever or whatever is behind this, it is a human tragedy first and most of all, all speculation aside, I feel a sting in my heart (mildly put), thinking we truly are capable of maneuvering things like this into reality (again and again and again...), enough has been enough for a long time now, there may be very few with tremendous power, but we chose to give it away and I feel a responsibility over that, I've been here a long time and I let this happen too, but it's time to stand up and start shaking people by their shoulders.. United we stand, divided we fall... Old saying, but bears repeating. We'll be together forever (in one way or another simply put) so we better start getting along with each other, even if it's as simple as saying hello to your neighbor and asking how they are, the building of a bridge starts with one stone and we (as a whole) are being rip apart by these horrendous things and are standing at the opposite ends of the universe it seems, staring and sizing each other up like animals (no offense).

The question is what are we going to do next?

I believe there is a little passage somewhere that says something like love conquers all...

And I know we know this here and a lot of people are probably saying "well duh". The people, who were lost in these incidents, let's wish them a safe journey from this point on.

Thanks for your post....
Maybe this will be the answer ?

http://www.davidicke.com/articles/the-awakening-mainmenu-118/50759-awakening-the-world-every-heart-makes-a-difference

[Jay]

Apparently this is the lodge Anders Behring Breivik belongs to http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Johanneslogen_St._Olaus_til_de_tre_S%C3%B8iler

[Operator]

Perhaps there will be significance in what did NOT happen ...

1. He did NOT kill himself
2. Explosives on the island did NOT detonate

In the 9/11 event a lot of effort was put in covering the tracks ... that may have failed here.

[sigma6]

BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14252515)
http://media.aftenposten.no/archive/01514/_SCC-AIPub_G-Titte_1514824x.jpg[/QUOTE]

I saw this on RED ICE but they were quoting another newspaper, I can't see how everyone is missing this! The Toronto Star dropped all reference to his Freemason connection already, the spin is they are "trying to find an 'Islamic Connection"??, (does this guy look like he's got an Islamic connection??) Then speaking out of both side's of their mouth, the Chief (whoever) says the 'magic' codes words "appears to be the work of a lone 'madman'", and "Police believe he acted alone and is not connected to Islamist organisations" (Of course a top level Freemason cop is going to say that!) and yet at the same time (double speak) they say the vehicle and bomb indicate there HAD to be OTHERS involved.... Since they couldn't hide it, the article RED ICE references (so disappointed they didn't add there own comment to this obvious misdirection) http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=16169 ADMITTED he was a 'one time' Freemason! (Right! I guess so after this botch up... since this guy will NOT be 'graduating' any time soon...) I don't see them saying he was a "one time" Christian, so there is also the 'dump' on Christianity here, (like this has anything to do with it, unless you consider Freemasonry a form of religion) Listen, in Ontario, Canada in Toronto and Hamilton are FREEMASON strongholds! They have buildings the size of Castles or Schools around here... This guy WAS A FREEMASON!, carrying out a high level attack, with his looks, he was supposed to change costumes and blend in with the natives, and then there was supposed to be a huge backlash on the Muslims!! creating the justification to spend more millions attacking them! But he got CAUGHT, the cat is out of the bag, and he's now on his own... Norway was one of the only countries open to accepting the Palestinians as a Nation State. http://www.therightperspective.org/2011/07/23/norway-to-back-palestinian-state/ On the Toronto Star site, http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1029515--suspect-in-norway-attacks-described-himself-as-right-wing-christian the 'comments' tab disappears AFTER you sign up! Look I asked my friend, a Fireman of 33 years (total WASP) "so how many of your Bosses are Freemasons?" (I rib him a lot...) His response... He looked at me puzzled, and said "what do you mean? They're ALL Freemasons..." (as if it was the most obvious thing in the world...) Now think of all the Police Stations, all the Fire Depts, all the Hospitals, etc, etc,!! Another reason why things are 'backing up' ... the "rats are jumping out of the woodwork"... This guy was pulling a job for Illuminati, Bankster controlled Zionists, just like those British agents who got caught dressed as Arabs, arrested by Iraqi Police and then were Bulldozed out of the Jail by British Military in Iraq... same deal ... happening right in front of everyone faces, and people still listen to the interpretations of the Police????? You are getting a first hand exposure to how these people operate... !!!! your never gonna get it handed to you on a silver platter like this too often... I apologize if I am too strong here, but this really disturbs me...

[Taurean]

Hungerford, Dunblane etc. ? The question is what is the objective this time ?

more control measures ?

[Jay]

Per infowars: "In yet another example of how almost every major terror event is accompanied by a security drill focused around the same scenario, Oslo police were conducting a bombing exercise at a location near the Oslo Opera House just 48 hours before a terrorist blast hit a government building in the Norwegian capital." - are bombing exercises common in Oslo?

Another article says Anders had a twitter page with just one tweet on the 17 July stating ‘One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100 000 who have only interests.’ Article goes on to say that the Facebook and Twitter account were only recently set up which could mean that in a piece of grim pre-planning, he created his social media pages knowing that these would be scoured when he perfomed the atrocities and his name became known. Source: http://truthfrequencynews.com/?p=6853

...certainly more than a one-man/one mad-man action.....

¤=[Post Update]=¤

agree, for the making of more control measures - fascist type control measures that the public normally wouldn't accept.... unless in fear...

[Laura Elina]

Whoever or whatever is behind this, it is a human tragedy first and most of all, all speculation aside, I feel a sting in my heart (mildly put), thinking we truly are capable of maneuvering things like this into reality (again and again and again...), enough has been enough for a long time now, there may be very few with tremendous power, but we chose to give it away and I feel a responsibility over that, I've been here a long time and I let this happen too, but it's time to stand up and start shaking people by their shoulders.. United we stand, divided we fall... Old saying, but bears repeating. We'll be together forever (in one way or another simply put) so we better start getting along with each other, even if it's as simple as saying hello to your neighbor and asking how they are, the building of a bridge starts with one stone and we (as a whole) are being rip apart by these horrendous things and are standing at the opposite ends of the universe it seems, staring and sizing each other up like animals (no offense).

The question is what are we going to do next?

I believe there is a little passage somewhere that says something like love conquers all...

And I know we know this here and a lot of people are probably saying "well duh". The people, who were lost in these incidents, let's wish them a safe journey from this point on.

Thanks for your post....
Maybe this will be the answer ?

http://www.davidicke.com/articles/the-awakening-mainmenu-118/50759-awakening-the-world-every-heart-makes-a-difference


Yes, perhaps it is, a few hours and I will "tune in" so to speak. Thank you for posting the link. "You are all that I have", something to remember, when we look at each other in this wonderful world of ours, regardless of the turbulence we are in. A few minutes ago I was looking out the window, watching the lighting strike over the hills and the forest, wishing we would remember that the echo of the lighting (as powerful as it is) is merely a fraction of the power we hold within. It is time for that power to be released ..And miracles will happen. The future is ours to make, and only ours, so I'll see you there.

[Muzz]

Norway Police Fear Second Utoya Attack Gunman Might Be At Large

Further unconfirmed reports have suggested that a second gunman was involved in Friday's shooting rampage on Norway's Utoya Island, which occurred shortly after the bomb attack in downtown Oslo. Eyewitnesses of Friday's shooting rampage on Norway's Utoya Island have already said earlier on Saturday that there were two gunmen on the island.
more (http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=130518)

[Camilo]

Just after the attacks,a man dressed as a policeman startet shooting kids at a political youth-camp.The false policeman at the camp told youths to come nearer,said the bomb in Oslo was just the beginning and started gunning the kids down. As much as 25-30 may have been killed..
We live not to far from Oslo.
People have died!
Please stop the joking.
If you are seated far away,its so easy. But it is very insensitive,did not expect this from avalonians.
I am very sad right now and a little shocked..

I agree MorgaineFallen. I live in a country where we have an armed conflict and we live this kind of scenario in a daily basis. I guess none of you would be making jokes if you mother, sister, wife or kids were the victims in one of this events.

[Draco]

wow the bombs are back no surprise , does any one know if these blast were near Norway's large seed banks ?

[Muzz]

wow the bombs are back no surprise , does any one know if these blast were near Norway's large seed banks ?

If your talking about the doomsday seed bank I think its on the Island of Svalbard which is hundreds of miles to the north :)

[sigma6]

Hungerford, Dunblane etc. ? The question is what is the objective this time ?

more control measures ?

Absolutely Taurean that is ALL it is ever about... 'They' are running scared, getting desperate, if Benjamin Fullford's intel is to be believed (and I do see him as very credible http://benjaminfulford.net/about/ ) and I look at it this way.... I have this phrase which is easier to 'plug in' then the old 'Follow the money' and that is: - Look at the what, where, and how of anything that 'They' are "controlling the distribution" of... for ex. oil and electricity via the production of refineries and power plants (no competition, plus using our 'energy' (bonds, taxes...) or the banks (control the distribution of money, which we mistakenly think is our energy/labour/productivity, it's not! it's a valueless piece of paper thats representative value keeps diminishing!) or the (freemason) Court system (control of distribution of power) and in this particular example I would say it is the control of distribution of .... INFORMATION! - what you perceive via the media... A secret society by definition is ALL about control of Information, ie. knowledge is power... the 'Romans' are still here, and they still rule by force of power... and they let us know in a myriad different ways, but YES it is ALWAYS about CONTROL...

[modwiz]

Norway supports recognition of a Palestinian State.

On 7/19/11 the Norwegian Foreign Minister announced that his country would likely be recognizing a Palestinian State.

http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/07/19/53408557.html

So that might be a possible reason for Norway being targeted in a false flag event, to distract from the Fed audit story.

Possibly but, a little overkill for just another scam at the Fed.

I think the Palestinian State recognition is a story of greater importance.


The Fed audit story is not "just another scam at the Fed", it's a $16 trillion scam! Suggest you read the whole thread at:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?25913-Federal-Reserve-Audit-Reaveals-16-trillion-in-unauthorised-loans-----

I did. There are subtleties going on here. As someone else posted a little earlier. A twofer, as a minimum, is a style of hidden hands.

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they have photo's of the Island a support rally for the boycott against Israel was being held there before the attack...

the PM was going to speak at the gathering...


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/sites/default/files/imagecache/BlogsMainImage/store_utoya-570x320.jpg

PM on the island (http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/norway-jul-23-2011-0804)

Look at those fresh young faces holding that banner. I wonder if they are still alive?
Update!
For some reason the picture was cropped. It is no longer apparent that the banner is held by two boys and it read boycott Israel in Danish. It must have been a bandwidth issue.

Well, original picture has been restored. I guess being busy is good job security these days.

[jackovesk]

Whoever or whatever is behind this, it is a human tragedy first and most of all, all speculation aside, I feel a sting in my heart (mildly put), thinking we truly are capable of maneuvering things like this into reality (again and again and again...), enough has been enough for a long time now, there may be very few with tremendous power, but we chose to give it away and I feel a responsibility over that, I've been here a long time and I let this happen too, but it's time to stand up and start shaking people by their shoulders.. United we stand, divided we fall... Old saying, but bears repeating. We'll be together forever (in one way or another simply put) so we better start getting along with each other, even if it's as simple as saying hello to your neighbor and asking how they are, the building of a bridge starts with one stone and we (as a whole) are being rip apart by these horrendous things and are standing at the opposite ends of the universe it seems, staring and sizing each other up like animals (no offense).

The question is what are we going to do next?

I believe there is a little passage somewhere that says something like love conquers all...

And I know we know this here and a lot of people are probably saying "well duh". The people, who were lost in these incidents, let's wish them a safe journey from this point on.

Hi Laura Elina,

I too share your concern and pray for the people of Norway....

BUT...

I am 'Sick & Tired' of the WE STUFF..!

WE? Had nothing to to do with it! PERIOD!

Just STOP this WE STUFF will YA...!

I didn't DO IT!

YOU didn't Do IT!

WE didn't DO IT!

They 'BLOODY DID IT'..!

Who is THEY?

I am not exactly sure???

But it 'WASN'T US'..!!!

That's the type of 'DoubleSpeak' & 'Propaganda' the MSM wants you to believe, while THEY take away your Liberties, Freedoms & Human Dignity and your GOD given right to survive..!!!

I'll STOP right here before I lose it..!!!!!!!!

[sigma6]

Sorry meant to add the quote: it was in response to someone's post about how it "might have been a Muslim Terrorist attack" but we just can't know because it is "just too complex"... still searching for post...

I don't think it likely at all , the only 'connection' to "Muslim Terrorists" I can find is the media and the cops repeating over and over again - the possible connection to "Muslim terrorists"!!! But wait, if that isn't obvious enough, let's look at it logically, using simple common sense... Why would "Muslim Terrorists" bomb the only country that has publicly stated they would openly recognize a Palestinan State? That doesn't even make sense from even a superficial, first off, cursory analysis, this is not complex at all! (imo) ... It is blatant, in your face, and they screwed up big time, the guy is caught, the game is over, the jig is up, cat out of the bag... HELLOOO! and do you think they will shake him down? doubt it.... that Police Dept will have high level Freemason agents in their highest ranks, and the truth of any interrogations will never see the light of day... one more thing right off the top, this guy doesn't have anything even remotely akin to a 'nut job' profile, quite the contrary... so the best they can come up with for now is "right-wing extreme Christian" ... ouch.... the only way they can cover this is their old stand by... a 'dumbed down' spoon fed, de-sensitived general public of sheeple... that are just too 'confused' to understand...

[Lucc30]

This is so unbelievable tragic - the surviving eyewitnesses describes an inhumanly calm person performing a totally unemphatic behavior towards the victims.

The planning and execution all stinks of manchurian/MK-Ultra. The perpetrator cooperates willingly with the police.

The BBC World News are at the moment the most reliable and neutral (English speaking) news source.

[sigma6]

This is so unbelievable tragic - the surviving eyewitnesses describes an inhumanly calm person performing a totally unemphatic behavior towards the victims.
The planning and execution all stinks of manchurian/MK-Ultra. The perpetrator cooperates willingly with the police.
The BBC World News are at the moment the most reliable and neutral (English speaking) news source.

Possible, but unlikely, and don't agree about the "BBC" neutrality either... That doesn't jive because he is on the 'inside' (Freemason) If he was a 'Manchurian Candidate' it would be someone that would bolster the false image they are trying to create, like Mark Chapman (a nobody), or Sirhan Sirhan , I may be going out on a limb here, but I'd say he got caught by accident.... (yes sarcasm) but once caught of course he would co-operate, he needs to get to a 'contact' asap before someone (not in on it) 'wakes up' and beats him within an inch of his life for being such a scumbag. Do people still look up to and 'worship' the police? I'd rather deal with someone at least who has the guts to own up to the fact that they are a criminal, and at least accept the consequences of it... That is how bad it really is today folks, and our ignorance is the only thing keeping it going... The Freemasons of today (the ones who are in control, are evil, murderous and Satan worshipping. period, and if your donating to their 'fundraisers', God help you...)

[Laura Elina]

Whoever or whatever is behind this, it is a human tragedy first and most of all, all speculation aside, I feel a sting in my heart (mildly put), thinking we truly are capable of maneuvering things like this into reality (again and again and again...), enough has been enough for a long time now, there may be very few with tremendous power, but we chose to give it away and I feel a responsibility over that, I've been here a long time and I let this happen too, but it's time to stand up and start shaking people by their shoulders.. United we stand, divided we fall... Old saying, but bears repeating. We'll be together forever (in one way or another simply put) so we better start getting along with each other, even if it's as simple as saying hello to your neighbor and asking how they are, the building of a bridge starts with one stone and we (as a whole) are being rip apart by these horrendous things and are standing at the opposite ends of the universe it seems, staring and sizing each other up like animals (no offense).

The question is what are we going to do next?

I believe there is a little passage somewhere that says something like love conquers all...

And I know we know this here and a lot of people are probably saying "well duh". The people, who were lost in these incidents, let's wish them a safe journey from this point on.

Hi Laura Elina,

I too share your concern and pray for the people of Norway....

BUT...

I am 'Sick & Tired' of the WE STUFF..!

WE? Had nothing to to do with it! PERIOD!

Just STOP this WE STUFF will YA...!

I didn't DO IT!

YOU didn't Do IT!

WE didn't DO IT!

They 'BLOODY DID IT'..!

Who is THEY?

I am not exactly sure???

But it 'WASN'T US'..!!!

That's the type of 'DoubleSpeak' & 'Propaganda' the MSM wants you to believe, while THEY take away your Liberties, Freedoms & Human Dignity and your GOD given right to survive..!!!

I'll STOP right here before I lose it..!!!!!!!!


Yes, fair enough, thank you for replying to my post, and I will take that into consideration.

[sigma6]

I'm surprised anyone seems to think they KNOW that this is a false flag event. If you think every bombing like this is a false flag event then I guess you don't think there are any problems at all with radical Muslim extremism. I have no idea if this was a false flag bombing or if the shooting outside the city at a youth camp shortly after the bombing where a lone gunman shot five people was another false flag event: http://www.montereyherald.com/breaking/ci_18529081 . Whether or not these two events were related remains to be seen.


Look at the damage ... this is not the result of just a car packed with some explosives. If you want to blow something up the right way you
need to 'plant' the explosives carefully with skill and opportunity. This requires well organized professionals. Where do we find them ?
Many terrorist groups have bomb experts. My husband is a bomb expert. Could be anyone with the knowledge and skill. Assuming it has to be a government plot is choosing to have a belief without absolute knowledge.


What's wrong with "having a belief without absolute knowledge" ? I am always hearing these 'subtle assumptions' in your opinions, and I am questioning your logic, and this constant appeal of authority to "your husband the expert" is hard to fly by without any direct evidence... But getting back to the main point, if what you said is even logical, then NO ONE one would be justified in having any beliefs... !? So why are you even suggesting this? I don't know about the others but it just doesn't smell right to me... I think you are mistaking 'absolute knowledge' for one's understanding to the best of their knowledge, as expressed truthfully... two totally separate things... God has absolute knowledge, but I don't think he signed up here...

[Lucc30]

This is so unbelievable tragic - the surviving eyewitnesses describes an inhumanly calm person performing a totally unemphatic behavior towards the victims.
The planning and execution all stinks of manchurian/MK-Ultra. The perpetrator cooperates willingly with the police.
The BBC World News are at the moment the most reliable and neutral (English speaking) news source.

Possible, but unlikely, and don't agree about the "BBC" neutrality either... That doesn't jive because he is on the 'inside' (Freemason) If he was a 'Manchurian Candidate' it would be someone that would bolster the false image they are trying to create, like Mark Chapman (a nobody), or Sirhan Sirhan , I may be going out on a limb here, but I'd say he got caught by accident.... (yes sarcasm) but once caught of course he would co-operate, he needs to get to a 'contact' asap before someone (not in on it) 'wakes up' and beats him within an inch of his life for being such a scumbag. Do people still look up to and 'worship' the police? I'd rather deal with someone at least who has the guts to own up to the fact that they are a criminal, and at least accept the consequences of it... That is how bad it really is today folks, and our ignorance is the only thing keeping it going... The Freemasons of today (the ones who are in control, are evil, murderous and Satan worshipping. period, and if your donating to their 'fundraisers', God help you...)

Sorry, may be linguistic misunderstanding - but he the perpetrator was arrested quite clearly without any drama (not trying to kill himself) when the real police arrived. And no - I do not trust the police and their puppet masters are at all trustworthy - but I do believe there was a lot of the elite who was not informed beforehand about this planned (in my opinion) incident!

At this time we only have the information (besides the speculations from everywhere) coming from the (mainstream) media and at the time they are in fact trying their best to inform (in my opinion again) - not to give disinformation to a shocked tiny nation (not all Murdoch medias have their tendrils all over the world - we still have some small independent medias). BBC are in fact (as opposed to other news mediums) mirroring the firsthand experiences and witness statements (at this moment) - reflecting (near neutrality) the Norwegian alternative/mainstream reports.

'Report' is the keyword here - not the motives!!
And:
got caught by accident.... was not all the case here. There was no way he could possibly escape freely from this particularly island - after his executions have been ongoing for more than an hour. Period!

Besides; he is a low grade freemason. But I still believe strongly this was not a doing of his own, free will - rather coerced in some way or another! Anyhow - we will see the results of what we are to believe about this in a very short time. You should then make your own conclusions.
Still its a tragedy in a country where you can express your own, inhibited opinion to a ruling politician in your neighborhood, elevator or in the main shopping street of the Capital.

And yes - may god help us all and keep us discerned!!

[sigma6]

I just read that this bombing is being blamed on "Islamist" because it looked like something they'd do..... The desperate PTB want a war so badly with the Muslims that they'd get the medias to implicate them....My money's on Mossad as the culprits....

Now your talking! I can't believe some of the 'stuff' I am reading here, taking the MSM at face value?... what a joke! I am expecting and hope to see people here get up to speed ... a little note on counter intelligence (and no my better half isn't a secret agent...) but the first thing they do is go in the opposite direction, like the cunning linguist who states "Well not that I am advocating so and so, but..." and then the very next thing that comes out of their mouth is the very thing they are "not advocating"... so if you want to read through a great majority of propaganda, a simple rule to start with is; just read it as the mirror image opposite of what is being said... or another good one is to ask yourself; what are they avoiding saying, by saying this instead?... ie. look for the obvious stuff first, no need to get 'complex'... not at this stage... k.i.s.s.

[Flash]

I am truly sorry for the families and those that lost everything including their life. I am truly sorry for the parents of the children, they too lost everything. My heart goes with them all.

It could be a lone gunman, it could be organised through some groups (although the last thing it looks like is Muslem, this is definitly not imho), in terms of Masons, 3rd degree is extremely low. If it is, the poor guy is a puppet. Lots of 3rd degree masons do not know at all about other masons lifes.

It could be something from a wako, I have seen quite a few around in the world,

However, have you noticed how nobody talks anylonger about the 16 trillions the federal reserve had given to foreign banks and countries??? Quite a,seredipity event isnt'it?

[sigma6]

Why again:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/oslo-police-conducted-bombing-exercise-days-before-terrorist-blast.html

And a person (confirmed ethnic Norwegian - male 32 years) in a police like uniform shooting youths a few hours later has also been observed nearby the explosion site in Oslo. At the youth rally there are found undetonated explosives. According to eyewitnesses (not confirmed) the man had said: "This is only the beginning!"

It is possible the explosion was an underground, near surface planted bomb. I know for a fact there was "sewer working" a couple of days before as I walked by the site.

Military personnel have secured the perimeters of our city. Wonder whats next?

Right on, now this is getting closer to the meat and potatoes... thanks for these huge insights, I would call that an excellent observation, and it should be questioned due to the fact that it has great potential plausibility and it is highly correlated, I would love to see this thing blow wide open... but like you said, they have their people all over it, and we can certainly speculate why... (damage control...) 'our man' got himself caught red handed and he doesn't look too Islamic to me...

[Flash]

Gamers describe the shooter as a real good level headed guy

http://kotaku.com/5824082/guildmates-of-oslo-shooting-suspect-find-solace-in-world-of-warcraft-forums

he was also a neo-nazi it seems, has been member on neo-nazis forums

In French:
http://www.lepoint.fr/monde/l-homme-qui-a-terrorise-la-norvege-23-07-2011-1355578_24.php

[Lord Sidious]

Gamers describe the shooter as a real good level headed guy

http://kotaku.com/5824082/guildmates-of-oslo-shooting-suspect-find-solace-in-world-of-warcraft-forums

he was also a neo-nazi it seems, has been member on neo-nazis forums

In French:
http://www.lepoint.fr/monde/l-homme-qui-a-terrorise-la-norvege-23-07-2011-1355578_24.php

I can tell you right now, no doubt at all, he was no ''neo-nazi'' or any other type of ''nazi'' either.
I know people in Norway who you could label that and they told me he hated ''nazis'' and wrote on some site in Norwegian about it.
This report is rubbish.

[Chuck]

Something else to consider…

In the Project Camelot files, along with the Leo Zagami interview, Camelot published letters from a Norwegian political source as well as collaborative information from a separate source.
Norwegian politician: http://projectcamelot.org/norway.html
Collaborative source: http://projectcamelot.org/norway_update.html

They describe several underground bases being built in Norway, for the purpose of sheltering the elite in 2012. The plans were to begin to move them into these bases prior to 2012.

… A bomb threatening the ruling class of Norway would most likely have that effect of the government “going underground”. Ahem…
Was it poor planning that the bomb detonated when most were not there? Or perfect planning to allow the elite to move with ‘good reason’.

Watch what happens to the government elite in the coming weeks/months. Where do they go? Are they heard from?

[sigma6]

This is so unbelievable tragic - the surviving eyewitnesses describes an inhumanly calm person performing a totally unemphatic behavior towards the victims.
The planning and execution all stinks of manchurian/MK-Ultra. The perpetrator cooperates willingly with the police.
The BBC World News are at the moment the most reliable and neutral (English speaking) news source.

Possible, but unlikely, and don't agree about the "BBC" neutrality either... That doesn't jive because he is on the 'inside' (Freemason) If he was a 'Manchurian Candidate' it would be someone that would bolster the false image they are trying to create, like Mark Chapman (a nobody), or Sirhan Sirhan , I may be going out on a limb here, but I'd say he got caught by accident.... (yes sarcasm) but once caught of course he would co-operate, he needs to get to a 'contact' asap before someone (not in on it) 'wakes up' and beats him within an inch of his life for being such a scumbag. Do people still look up to and 'worship' the police? I'd rather deal with someone at least who has the guts to own up to the fact that they are a criminal, and at least accept the consequences of it... That is how bad it really is today folks, and our ignorance is the only thing keeping it going... The Freemasons of today (the ones who are in control, are evil, murderous and Satan worshipping. period, and if your donating to their 'fundraisers', God help you...)

Sorry, may be linguistic misunderstanding - but he the perpetrator was arrested quite clearly without any drama (not trying to kill himself) when the real police arrived. And no - I do not trust the police and their puppet masters are at all trustworthy - but I do believe there was a lot of the elite who was not informed beforehand about this planned (in my opinion) incident!

At this time we only have the information (besides the speculations from everywhere) coming from the (mainstream) media and at the time they are in fact trying their best to inform (in my opinion again) - not to give disinformation to a shocked tiny nation (not all Murdoch medias have their tendrils all over the world - we still have some small independent medias). BBC are in fact (as opposed to other news mediums) mirroring the firsthand experiences and witness statements (at this moment) - reflecting (near neutrality) the Norwegian alternative/mainstream reports.

'Report' is the keyword here - not the motives!!
And:
got caught by accident.... was not all the case here. There was no way he could possibly escape freely from this particularly island - after his executions have been ongoing for more than an hour. Period!

Besides; he is a low grade freemason. But I still believe strongly this was not a doing of his own, free will - rather coerced in some way or another! Anyhow - we will see the results of what we are to believe about this in a very short time. You should then make your own conclusions.
Still its a tragedy in a country where you can express your own, inhibited opinion to a ruling politician in your neighborhood, elevator or in the main shopping street of the Capital.

And yes - may god help us all and keep us discerned!!

Thanks for your responding sincerely Lucc, I think this is fantastic that you are there, eyes on the ground (congratulations for contributing your insights) I am a speculator yes, but I try to apply a logical rationale. I just don't think that 'average' folks realize how thick the 'fog' is getting, to be able see how information is being manipulated before their very TV sets, and most don't pro-actively deduce or guess at possible interpretations, other then what is 'suggested' to them.... they look up to authority figures as if they are somehow different from people like you and me, (ie. we all have human weakness) I am glad you share my sentiments about the police (they are a disgrace in my experience... and a Freemason stronghold...)

Now the idea he couldn't have escaped is interesting, and this is a big one, but I am going to suggest, that like the witnesses to the Kennedy assassination, whom said they saw a man, hand a rifle over to someone else and receive a jacket and zip it up (to cover a police uniform, according to other witnesses) http://www.4shared.com/video/idXfWQ6I/Evidence_Of_Revision_-_1_of_5_.html and that this could have been the plan, in fact think about it, it has the classic 'Freemason' 'Illuminati' (whomever 'they' are) signature all over it... they have repeatedly used the same time tested techniques... I am going to say he was supposed to move on to some location, and 'change costumes, possibly with a third party handler that would have taken the weapons... I am talking about a support group... But what you have suggested, I am not ignoring, I am just saying this is way too huge, and way too specific to be 'random' and therefore there had to be a plan, and this guy doesn't fit a 'suicide' profile... I would say he was motivated by a an inflated ego, was overly ambitious and manipulated by greed (what he would have received, had he pulled it off) I have heard it is very difficult to get past "3rd degree" and that they are having difficulty finding new recruits... so there may have been a "big offer for a big job" and he got sucked into it... either way imagine if he never got caught, we'd have to be listening to all the "it was the muslims did it" and unfortunately where Kennedy's assassins (with the help of the US agents, police etc) got away... this guy got CAUGHT... before he could make the 'switch'... But you are also right, I accept everything I am saying at this point as my own opinion and speculation and I am just curious how the media is going to spin it... I am going to predict they will completely play down his Masonic connection and even FAIL to mention it (see my other post) and harp on this non-existent, illogical "possibility" it was "Muslim terrorists" (by of course saying that they can't find a connection!)... thanks for giving me this opportunity to chat on this... peace brother...

[sigma6]

He has been active for a couple of years on a right-wing website , www.document.no ...... http://www.document.no/anders-behring-breivik/ <<<< this is a summary of his posts there.... All in norwegian... but apperantly nothing in his posts to suggest he was more than just talk and debate.
He moved from his apartment in Oslo 1 month ago , to a farm outside the city....

That takes money these days to have the luxury of moving out of an apartment and getting a farm....

[sigma6]

http://www.bt.no/nyheter/innenriks/Siste-nytt-om-terroraksjonen-i-Oslo-2541315.html
(Not confirmed: he was probably not working alone as observations says he was speaking in a headset during the massacre).
The best reliable website with short confirmed news updates (use google translate).
Anders Behring Breivik: Right-wing, christian conservationist, freemason, well educated and a successful entrepreneur. This reeks of Illuminati (bloodline) mind control.
Cui bono?
A tragedy!

Whoa! yet another amazing observation Lucc!... this thing is going to blow sky high.... I can't wait!!!! We live in a time when all will be revealed, even these bloody satan worshippers...

[MorgaineFallen]

At first the talk of hidden agendas and false flag,I just disregarded the info. Now I have read some more,and suddenly I dont know anymore.
Pamela Geller obtained a screenshot of the shooters fb-page,and yesterday when his name was revealed,someone has altered his fb and put "Christian" and "Conservative" in there. And I remember seeing his interests when my husband looked him up. Later in the night when I looked at his page it looked different..
Hey guys,you may actually be on to something here! :confused:

[sigma6]

Strange pic of the purp. Why would they decide to put out the picture in his Masons clothes? So every conspiracy nut (myself included :)) will get riled up?

http://www.geenstijl.nl/archives/images/grootdadert.jpg

Actually I'd say that those pics were done by 'initial' journalists who got to the info first, I have seen more recent articles that have removed the pic, and make NO reference whatsoever, so this thing is being massaged moment by moment, hour by hour, this has got to be devastating for the Illuminati, to have their man caught so inappropriately, seeing how this was somehow supposed to be blamed on the "Islamic Terrorists" "Al-quaida" (read US front for CIA)

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Just got given his tax details.
Very, very interesting.
He made nothing 2006 and suddenly had a huge amount in his bank account.
http://www.kjendis.no/skatt/sok/?op=Person&id=748647&ar=2009&urlnavn=ANDERS+BEHRING+BREIVIK
It is possible that it was an inheritance or something.

Interesting!

This backs up my intuition on what I am saying.... thanks for this LS...

[sigma6]

haven't followed too closely yet (have been out all day)
two things pop up in my mind
- Leo ZAGAMI
- HAARP station
and I also bet my life, they will blame Norwegian Black Metal on any of this...
cheers

Leo Zagami popped up in my mind also. Specifically, related to this interview from 2008 - also around the time Bill and Kerry interviewed him I believe. After he started whistle-blowing on the Illuminati, he was getting a lot of trouble where he lived in Norway by the authorities.
At about 3:10 in the interview he starts talking about Norwegian authorities wanting to arrest him. At 3:50 he states Norway is acting as criminals against him and goes on to state he is going to unleash chaos in Norway, detonate bombs, make revolution, threatens the prime minister, etc. (if you want to listen to this, hurry and download the video in case it gets pulled off youtube). It gave me an eerie feeling when I heard this.
Does anyone else think there is a connection to recent events?
OIJZ_FlhCvU

Absolutely, very high probability, nice connection... and I downloaded it thanks, might update my videos on Leo,

[Arc]

haven't followed too closely yet (have been out all day)
two things pop up in my mind
- Leo ZAGAMI
- HAARP station
and I also bet my life, they will blame Norwegian Black Metal on any of this...
cheers

Leo Zagami popped up in my mind also. Specifically, related to this interview from 2008 - also around the time Bill and Kerry interviewed him I believe. After he started whistle-blowing on the Illuminati, he was getting a lot of trouble where he lived in Norway by the authorities.
At about 3:10 in the interview he starts talking about Norwegian authorities wanting to arrest him. At 3:50 he states Norway is acting as criminals against him and goes on to state he is going to unleash chaos in Norway, detonate bombs, make revolution, threatens the prime minister, etc. (if you want to listen to this, hurry and download the video in case it gets pulled off youtube). It gave me an eerie feeling when I heard this.
Does anyone else think there is a connection to recent events?
OIJZ_FlhCvU

Absolutely, very high probability, nice connection... and I downloaded it thanks, might update my videos on Leo,

Yes, I am surprised that no one here seems to want to touch my correlation to this video - really Avalon?? really??? You do not see ANY connection to this???

Thank you, sigma6, for acknowledging the video as a possible clue. Look, I am not saying Leo is responsible, nor even for what, and as a whistle-blower on the dark forces of his past, I would say he is one of the good guys. I would suggest that the factions of the secret societies are now warring with each other. Those like Leo seem to want to come clean, and put the hidden info out there, and his opponents seem to want to proceed with the agenda of darkness. Don't you think the Freemason connection to the public suspect is not fishy?? As I say, I do not know who is who, or can sort out the alliances, but you will notice that Leo states that he is against the Norwegian Freemasons, yet Leo is one himself, with loyal followers - this is a civil war it would seem, inside the secret societies. Maybe Leo is being framed, maybe Leo is behind the agenda, and maybe not. I would not claim to know the conclusion, but only point out the eerie connection to this. I would think that Avalon members could help to connect the dots here - yet I am shocked how this thread/clue has been ignored so far by the intellectual 'regulars' here on Avalon. I would have thought this connection sparked some interesting debate... but I digress...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Sent out ideological book manuscript one hour before the bomb...

full manuscript (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/norge/1.7724781&hl=en&langpair=auto|en&tbb=1&ie=UTF-8)

with all the technology monitoring the net, this didn't set off alarms?


He also mentions that he has been helped to write the document of "brothers and sisters" in England, France, Germany, Sweden, Australia, Italy, Spain, Finland, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, the United States.
Interviews himself

The script also contains a long interview in which he answers questions like what he's thinking about that 95 percent of all Europeans will hate him for what he does and call him a terrorist...

[Rocky_Shorz]

this is the van he drove onto the island... written in English...

http://www.redicecreations.com/ul_img/16168whitevan.jpg

[Rocky_Shorz]

afflicto was here 30 minutes before the Killers last post Fri July 22nd, 12.51

I bet the hair on his arms was standing up and he was searching for why...


these are the ones that can help us, if we don't scare them away...

[Operator]

Sent out ideological book manuscript one hour before the bomb...

full manuscript (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/norge/1.7724781&hl=en&langpair=auto|en&tbb=1&ie=UTF-8)

with all the technology monitoring the net, this didn't set off alarms?


He also mentions that he has been helped to write the document of "brothers and sisters" in England, France, Germany, Sweden, Australia, Italy, Spain, Finland, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, the United States.
Interviews himself

The script also contains a long interview in which he answers questions like what he's thinking about that 95 percent of all Europeans will hate him for what he does and call him a terrorist...

How convenient ... like finding an intact passport from one of the 9/11 terrorists ... case closed :rolleyes:

[daledo]

Sent out ideological book manuscript one hour before the bomb...

full manuscript (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/norge/1.7724781&hl=en&langpair=auto|en&tbb=1&ie=UTF-8)

with all the technology monitoring the net, this didn't set off alarms?


He also mentions that he has been helped to write the document of "brothers and sisters" in England, France, Germany, Sweden, Australia, Italy, Spain, Finland, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, the United States.
Interviews himself

The script also contains a long interview in which he answers questions like what he's thinking about that 95 percent of all Europeans will hate him for what he does and call him a terrorist...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTB478fDCa4

Found the video with a little looking. His channel was taken down but this guy caught it in time to make a copy..

[Rocky_Shorz]

Sent out ideological book manuscript one hour before the bomb...

full manuscript (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/norge/1.7724781&hl=en&langpair=auto|en&tbb=1&ie=UTF-8)

with all the technology monitoring the net, this didn't set off alarms?


He also mentions that he has been helped to write the document of "brothers and sisters" in England, France, Germany, Sweden, Australia, Italy, Spain, Finland, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, the United States.
Interviews himself

The script also contains a long interview in which he answers questions like what he's thinking about that 95 percent of all Europeans will hate him for what he does and call him a terrorist...

How convenient ... like finding an intact passport from one of the 9/11 terrorists ... case closed :rolleyes:

he did drop and confess to everything, he expected to be martyred, not wounded...

police are wondering if he is covering for someone else by taking full credit and stating he acted alone, at the bomb site a second person was seen they are trying to track down.

fellow farmer?

[afflicto]

Hey all. So... what's up? I'm reading a document here, by Anders. it's called "A European Decleration of Independence"... I don't understand any of it though. It talks about politics and religion, primarily christianity and islamic.
Is this a False Flag operation??

[Rocky_Shorz]

hey afflicto, I've been looking for you...

your friend trashcan had a friend on the island, did you hear from her?


at this point don't worry about conspiracies, just make sure all your friends are ok...

[vortex surfer]

Hi, just a little update: According to a statement from Anders Behring Breiviks lawyer (Geir Lippestad), his client himself had said he thought it was horrible to commit the murders, but that it was a necessary thing to do.

Now, I'm on board with the idea of more people involved than just him (regarding the explosives on the island and the whole sequence of events there), but this statement - added to how willingly he gave himself up - just gave me this feeling of mind control.. It just seems too insane and contorted of a plan, with his various (alledged) online influences and "manifestos". Too "in your face". I don't know. Perhaps it's best to reserve from judging too much too early.

[Muzz]

Another take on it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJdNrkiapUM&feature=player_embedded#at=29



Norway Oil fund to boycott Israeli construction companies (http://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2010/08/24/norway-oil-fund-to-boycott-israeli-construction-companies/)




Norway is an odd choice as a Muslim terror target:

Norway has endorsed Palestinian statehood. See this, this and this

Norway has excluded Isareli investments. As Haaertz reported last year:

Norway’s 450 billion euro oil-riches fund has excluded two Israeli firms involved in developing settlements ... on ethical grounds, Norway’s finance ministry said on Monday.

Indeed, Senator Lieberman has accused Norway of promoting anti-semitism

Norway has also announced its plan to withdraw from the Libyan war

The summer camp where the shootings took place had just concluded a pro-Palestinian rally the day

Norway - Oslo Demands Relocation of Israeli Embassy Within a Year

[URL="http://www.zerohedge.com/article/terrorist-bomb-attack-oslo-norway-who-dunnit"]source (http://www.vosizneias.com/76816/2011/02/21/norway-oslo-demands-relocation-of-israeli-embassy-within-a-year/)

[afflicto]

hey afflicto, I've been looking for you...

your friend trashcan had a friend on the island, did you hear from her?


at this point don't worry about conspiracies, just make sure all your friends are ok...

How come you know that? you went on my facebook or something? :P
No I haven't heard from her. I just asked her though, waiting for a reply.

[Rocky_Shorz]

I was worried so looked around, scary picture mr Mod ;)

[Sierra]

hey afflicto, I've been looking for you...

your friend trashcan had a friend on the island, did you hear from her?


at this point don't worry about conspiracies, just make sure all your friends are ok...

How come you know that? you went on my facebook or something? :P
No I haven't heard from her. I just asked her though, waiting for a reply.

Let us know Affs, I hope she is okay ...

Sierra :wave:

[Hervé]

To add to the data dump bin: the building on fire, the one shown with heavy smoke coming out from the floor under a helipad... that's an oil company building.

[Siegfried The 7]

he was also a neo-nazi it seems, has been member on neo-nazis forums

In French:
http://www.lepoint.fr/monde/l-homme-qui-a-terrorise-la-norvege-23-07-2011-1355578_24.php


I find this very interesting being that this was in the news the day before this incident took place...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2011/07/21/2011-07-21_rudolph_hess_adolph_hitlers_nazi_confidante_exh umed_from_bavarian_cemetery.html


Also in the vid shown on CNN by an eyewitness there appears to be a UFO that can be seen hovering above for a few frames at about 00:08 seconds into the vid and then it disappears. Here is the original vid....



http://www.twitvid.com/RQNBF


Its rather weird that the news would also tell us that he was a freemason. Cant recall that being done before...

[taurad]

what a bloody mess this is!!!

in a country that banned The Colargol Bear kids show 30 years ago for a slim possibility of an object bearing the furthest of similarities to a knife!!!

that country is well-bred, well-fed, well-educated, best world standards for decades in rows...

so, how is this possible?!

welllllllll




ahhhh it also has some of the most active LODGES in the world...

the seed bank of the world

a very advangarde elitist bunker system

one of the HAARP stations of the world

advangarde in both poles

so it looks to me that ordinary norwegians are not interested...not enough motivation, very soft population...

i can't say the same about their ELITE thou

that's all folks

cheers

[NancyV]

I'm surprised anyone seems to think they KNOW that this is a false flag event. If you think every bombing like this is a false flag event then I guess you don't think there are any problems at all with radical Muslim extremism. I have no idea if this was a false flag bombing or if the shooting outside the city at a youth camp shortly after the bombing where a lone gunman shot five people was another false flag event: http://www.montereyherald.com/breaking/ci_18529081 . Whether or not these two events were related remains to be seen.

Look at the damage ... this is not the result of just a car packed with some explosives. If you want to blow something up the right way you
need to 'plant' the explosives carefully with skill and opportunity. This requires well organized professionals. Where do we find them ?
Many terrorist groups have bomb experts. My husband is a bomb expert. Could be anyone with the knowledge and skill. Assuming it has to be a government plot is choosing to have a belief without absolute knowledge.
What's wrong with "having a belief without absolute knowledge" ? I am always hearing these 'subtle assumptions' in your opinions, and I am questioning your logic, and this constant appeal of authority to "your husband the expert" is hard to fly by without any direct evidence... But getting back to the main point, if what you said is even logical, then NO ONE one would be justified in having any beliefs... !? So why are you even suggesting this? I don't know about the others but it just doesn't smell right to me... I think you are mistaking 'absolute knowledge' for one's understanding to the best of their knowledge, as expressed truthfully... two totally separate things... God has absolute knowledge, but I don't think he signed up here...
I didn't say it was wrong, I said it was ignorant. You may have all the beliefs you choose to have and more power to you. Many people have been falsely condemned because other people had a belief that they did something wrong. I mention my husband in this terrorist event because he's an experienced counter terrorist, just as other people mention sources who have experience in certain things. If you don't like me mentioning him, well I guess all I have to say about that is....tough.

[Rocky_Shorz]

they names the Kurds because of a cleric in Norway...

I was watching tweets from Kids who were there when it was happening and knew it was a native... full description of the attacker...

and was watching western media roll with the Islamic terrorist story...

[modwiz]

haven't followed too closely yet (have been out all day)
two things pop up in my mind
- Leo ZAGAMI
- HAARP station
and I also bet my life, they will blame Norwegian Black Metal on any of this...
cheers

Leo Zagami popped up in my mind also. Specifically, related to this interview from 2008 - also around the time Bill and Kerry interviewed him I believe. After he started whistle-blowing on the Illuminati, he was getting a lot of trouble where he lived in Norway by the authorities.
At about 3:10 in the interview he starts talking about Norwegian authorities wanting to arrest him. At 3:50 he states Norway is acting as criminals against him and goes on to state he is going to unleash chaos in Norway, detonate bombs, make revolution, threatens the prime minister, etc. (if you want to listen to this, hurry and download the video in case it gets pulled off youtube). It gave me an eerie feeling when I heard this.
Does anyone else think there is a connection to recent events?
OIJZ_FlhCvU

Absolutely, very high probability, nice connection... and I downloaded it thanks, might update my videos on Leo,

Yes, I am surprised that no one here seems to want to touch my correlation to this video - really Avalon?? really??? You do not see ANY connection to this???

Thank you, sigma6, for acknowledging the video as a possible clue. Look, I am not saying Leo is responsible, nor even for what, and as a whistle-blower on the dark forces of his past, I would say he is one of the good guys. I would suggest that the factions of the secret societies are now warring with each other. Those like Leo seem to want to come clean, and put the hidden info out there, and his opponents seem to want to proceed with the agenda of darkness. Don't you think the Freemason connection to the public suspect is not fishy?? As I say, I do not know who is who, or can sort out the alliances, but you will notice that Leo states that he is against the Norwegian Freemasons, yet Leo is one himself, with loyal followers - this is a civil war it would seem, inside the secret societies. Maybe Leo is being framed, maybe Leo is behind the agenda, and maybe not. I would not claim to know the conclusion, but only point out the eerie connection to this. I would think that Avalon members could help to connect the dots here - yet I am shocked how this thread/clue has been ignored so far by the intellectual 'regulars' here on Avalon. I would have thought this connection sparked some interesting debate... but I digress...

Personally. I think bringing Leo Zagami into this picture is like looking for mushrooms at the seashore.

[Operator]

To add to the data dump bin: the building on fire, the one shown with heavy smoke coming out from the floor under a helipad... that's an oil company building.

Why the dump bin ? The picture shows to me that an explosion (separate one ?) apparently took place on a floor in that building. Or is this the same as
WTC7 building story ? I just watched dutch tv news (delayed here in the Caribbean) and noticed that like 9/11 the authorities were in a rush to clean up
as quickly as possible.

While I am writing this another similarity comes to mind ... 9/11 was also on multiple locations.

[Hervé]

To add to the data dump bin: the building on fire, the one shown with heavy smoke coming out from the floor under a helipad... that's an oil company building.

Why the dump bin ? The picture shows to me that an explosion (separate one ?) apparently took place on a floor in that building. Or is this the same as
WTC7 building story ? I just watched dutch tv news (delayed here in the Caribbean) and noticed that like 9/11 the authorities were in a rush to clean up
as quickly as possible.

While I am writing this another similarity comes to mind ... 9/11 was also on multiple locations.

Sorry for the short cut... has to do with when computers crash and there is a memory dump where data are collected... I was just adding a bit of datum to the collection bin... does that make sense now?

The datum added being : it' an oil company occupying that building... well, occupied it...

[modwiz]

BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14252515)
http://media.aftenposten.no/archive/01514/_SCC-AIPub_G-Titte_1514824x.jpg


I saw this on RED ICE but they were quoting another newspaper, I can't see how everyone is missing this! The Toronto Star dropped all reference to his Freemason connection already, the spin is they are "trying to find an 'Islamic Connection"??, (does this guy look like he's got an Islamic connection??) Then speaking out of both side's of their mouth, the Chief (whoever) says the 'magic' codes words "appears to be the work of a lone 'madman'", and "Police believe he acted alone and is not connected to Islamist organisations" (Of course a top level Freemason cop is going to say that!) and yet at the same time (double speak) they say the vehicle and bomb indicate there HAD to be OTHERS involved.... Since they couldn't hide it, the article RED ICE references (so disappointed they didn't add there own comment to this obvious misdirection) http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=16169 ADMITTED he was a 'one time' Freemason! (Right! I guess so after this botch up... since this guy will NOT be 'graduating' any time soon...) I don't see them saying he was a "one time" Christian, so there is also the 'dump' on Christianity here, (like this has anything to do with it, unless you consider Freemasonry a form of religion) Listen, in Ontario, Canada in Toronto and Hamilton are FREEMASON strongholds! They have buildings the size of Castles or Schools around here... This guy WAS A FREEMASON!, carrying out a high level attack, with his looks, he was supposed to change costumes and blend in with the natives, and then there was supposed to be a huge backlash on the Muslims!! creating the justification to spend more millions attacking them! But he got CAUGHT, the cat is out of the bag, and he's now on his own... Norway was one of the only countries open to accepting the Palestinians as a Nation State. http://www.therightperspective.org/2011/07/23/norway-to-back-palestinian-state/ On the Toronto Star site, http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1029515--suspect-in-norway-attacks-described-himself-as-right-wing-christian the 'comments' tab disappears AFTER you sign up! Look I asked my friend, a Fireman of 33 years (total WASP) "so how many of your Bosses are Freemasons?" (I rib him a lot...) His response... He looked at me puzzled, and said "what do you mean? They're ALL Freemasons..." (as if it was the most obvious thing in the world...) Now think of all the Police Stations, all the Fire Depts, all the Hospitals, etc, etc,!! Another reason why things are 'backing up' ... the "rats are jumping out of the woodwork"... This guy was pulling a job for Illuminati, Bankster controlled Zionists, just like those British agents who got caught dressed as Arabs, arrested by Iraqi Police and then were Bulldozed out of the Jail by British Military in Iraq... same deal ... happening right in front of everyone faces, and people still listen to the interpretations of the Police????? You are getting a first hand exposure to how these people operate... !!!! your never gonna get it handed to you on a silver platter like this too often... I apologize if I am too strong here, but this really disturbs me...

I agree with your silver platter comment. This was either very sloppy or a test of our ability to see things. If we fail this test, things will start to really zip along. 'They' will think we deserve it for being so dense and laugh at the dead sheep. This shooter was a very useful idiot.

[Rocky_Shorz]

7 tons of fertilizer

his claim of 3rd degree Freemason is nothing, but he claimed upper echelon of Knights Templar...


why make a political statement before diving in their bunkers?


unless... like we were told they had a very small window to act in, have they missed it?

are they giving up on WW III, no astroid crashing into us...


their last resort was finding a Zionist Terrorist to attack a peaceful country to make a statement?

[modwiz]

I just read that this bombing is being blamed on "Islamist" because it looked like something they'd do..... The desperate PTB want a war so badly with the Muslims that they'd get the medias to implicate them....My money's on Mossad as the culprits....

Since you are mentioning bets (as in, my money's on...), ever hear of Shin Bet?

[modwiz]

Why again:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/oslo-police-conducted-bombing-exercise-days-before-terrorist-blast.html

And a person (confirmed ethnic Norwegian - male 32 years) in a police like uniform shooting youths a few hours later has also been observed nearby the explosion site in Oslo. At the youth rally there are found undetonated explosives. According to eyewitnesses (not confirmed) the man had said: "This is only the beginning!"

It is possible the explosion was an underground, near surface planted bomb. I know for a fact there was "sewer working" a couple of days before as I walked by the site.

Military personnel have secured the perimeters of our city. Wonder whats next?

Right on, now this is getting closer to the meat and potatoes... thanks for these huge insights, I would call that an excellent observation, and it should be questioned due to the fact that it has great potential plausibility and it is highly correlated, I would love to see this thing blow wide open... but like you said, they have their people all over it, and we can certainly speculate why... (damage control...) 'our man' got himself caught red handed and he doesn't look too Islamic to me...

An interesting little factoid. Only 20% of Muslims can read the Koran in the mother tongue, Arabic. So, although I get your point and am not here to criticize you in any manner, ( your observations have been cogent to me) I wanted to allow us all a moment to realize how much of the human family is Muslim, ( 1.4-1.5 billion according to wikipedia)
and that they come in every imaginable 'look'. That observation caused Malcom X to part with the Nation of Islam and their racist creed. That act cost him his life.

[Hervé]

There's that terrible thought that came to my mind... recalling this little line from my "big" picture thread:



[...]

Time has nurtured a troubled spirit, in the shadow of the black and red cross, unknown to everyone, daughter of the Nuremberg fugitives. She weaved crime against herself. Some give up on life for evil's love.

[...]


Could it... would it... nah... but thinking of it...

In short, more substantiated data are needed.

[modwiz]

he was also a neo-nazi it seems, has been member on neo-nazis forums

In French:
http://www.lepoint.fr/monde/l-homme-qui-a-terrorise-la-norvege-23-07-2011-1355578_24.php


I find this very interesting being that this was in the news the day before this incident took place...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2011/07/21/2011-07-21_rudolph_hess_adolph_hitlers_nazi_confidante_exh umed_from_bavarian_cemetery.html


Also in the vid shown on CNN by an eyewitness there appears to be a UFO that can be seen hovering above for a few frames at about 00:08 seconds into the vid and then it disappears. Here is the original vid....



http://www.twitvid.com/RQNBF


Its rather weird that the news would also tell us that he was a freemason. Cant recall that being done before...

Freemasons are the new bogeymen. As even Icke will tell you, most Masons are just regular guys in a fraternity. More private than secret. The web has every 'secret' there is in the group. Using Muslims every time will not work. A bigger and more varied smoke screen is required.

[Rocky_Shorz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i5VvLi1Bmo

Wilder, the one that the Oslo killer looked up to for guidance was at a meeting at the house of commons last year?

[Rocky_Shorz]

2nd suspect arrested was not the one, he was released...

[Flash]

For those interested, operation Gladio describes how western/Easrern countries, Nato, USA, ect infiltrate countries and do some terrorist work to have other group condemn or have the country take the direction that the state that did the operation wants, or act on the opinions and will of the population. It was described years ago by Italians confessing the infiltration of American amongst others in Italy and France, starting at the end of the las world war, until early 80's.

Very good history lesson, describing if extrapolating what may have happened in Norway.

Here a resume:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sipRkHktiTM&feature=related


Another video of a BBC report made in 1992 about how countries training locals, using ideas and groups, infiltrating, getting their own men to do some bombing or killing (special groups), etc. An in depth analysis by reporters like there is no more today. Very interesting.

If you do not want to listen to everything, I suggest starting at 1:30 min for the bombing explanations, whom the CIA pays and at which level, etc.

Then there is a third section following describing what the US is writing for their secret forces, as well as an attack done by US secretly on some police stations and army stations in Belgium, to change some political views of people and potentially destabilize the country.

It is to my idea the most interesting section because it was targetting regular working groups, military depot, and police offices and the bandits and terrorists were accused for months on. Arms robbed in the army depot were found in terrorists appartments later on. Of course, suspicion of the arms being deposited there by the American always remained.

Then they talked about using ultra leftists or extreme rigfht to destabilise the democratic regime in Belgium. The people who were young then and were used to push other agendas, and ended up with years in jail, are now asking who and why they were used.


At 1:49min. it describes an attack in Bologna years ago that made 80 death, that was sponsor by outside govenrments. Ring a bell?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fB6nViwJcM

[grapevine]

On the BBC live feeds yesterday one of the students said that they saw the policeman coming towards them and thought they were safe. Safe from what though? The bomb on the mainland, or something else? Not sure whether this is significant or not. If I saw a policeman coming towards me I wouldn't think I was safe - I'd wonder what on earth they wanted....

[Lord Sidious]

On the BBC live feeds yesterday one of the students said that they saw the policeman coming towards them and thought they were safe. Safe from what though? The bomb on the mainland, or something else? Not sure whether this is significant or not. If I saw a policeman coming towards me I wouldn't think I was safe - I'd wonder what on earth they wanted....

Excellent observation.
I wonder if anyone on the island had heard about the bomb?

[Midnight Rambler]

Another strange picture.http://www.geenstijl.nl/archives/images/uniform.jpg

Does someone here know what the decorations on his uniform mean. E.g. what's his rank?

-edit-

Here a link to a video from this guy removed by YouTube. (http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/1615541/596f7ebb/european_declaration_of_independence.html)

-edit- II

His manifesto (http://www.2shared.com/file/M-s-2fBD/2083-AEuropeanDeclarationofInd.html)

[Oxygen]

I got the impression that person had heard some shooting already , was scared and therefor relieved to see a policeman arriving on the scene.
Just before the shooting started there was a meeting where they were informed about the bombing in Oslo.... So at least some of them knew about that.

[Lucc30]

I got the impression that person had heard some shooting already , was scared and therefor relieved to see a policeman arriving on the scene.
Just before the shooting started there was a meeting where they were informed about the bombing in Oslo.... So at least some of them knew about that.

Spot on!

Latest news: Police have arrested six more people (at the same location) in the vicinity of Oslo believed (at this moment) to be connected to the twin attack.

UPDATE: The police have had raids on several different locations in Oslo and a farm (owned by the perpetrator) several miles north of Oslo (even though he has not been living there) used to cloak his then legitimate buying of six tonnes of nitrogenous fertilizer materials used in the political HQ bombing (now speculated to be a diversion - contrary to his aledgedly politically motives).

Scandinavian (Swedish as far as reports tells at the moment) as well as British intelligence and investigators are now in Oslo to support the investigations. Why?
Our own intelligence and investigators are really quite adequate (in standards) to handle this tragic situation. They have a very high conclusion percentage compared to other, bigger European countries (as a tiny nation - to easy to monitor a population right short of 5 million peoples). Why missed this particular one?

[Lucc30]

Deleted - double posting.

[taurad]

he was also a neo-nazi it seems, has been member on neo-nazis forums

In French:
http://www.lepoint.fr/monde/l-homme-qui-a-terrorise-la-norvege-23-07-2011-1355578_24.php


I find this very interesting being that this was in the news the day before this incident took place...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2011/07/21/2011-07-21_rudolph_hess_adolph_hitlers_nazi_confidante_exh umed_from_bavarian_cemetery.html


Also in the vid shown on CNN by an eyewitness there appears to be a UFO that can be seen hovering above for a few frames at about 00:08 seconds into the vid and then it disappears. Here is the original vid....



http://www.twitvid.com/RQNBF


Its rather weird that the news would also tell us that he was a freemason. Cant recall that being done before...

Freemasons are the new bogeymen. As even Icke will tell you, most Masons are just regular guys in a fraternity. More private than secret. The web has every 'secret' there is in the group. Using Muslims every time will not work. A bigger and more varied smoke screen is required.

i agree...as a matter of fakt, i've been thinking about that lately...it looks like this is the new entertaining term "du jour"...

the tags "mason" "freemasonry" "Illuminati" etc. usage has been growing exponentially!!!

i have a feeling these words r getting stripped of their full force...

it's time to get to recognize the new true LINGO

i'm opened to suggestions

cheers

[Fred Steeves]

Hi all, I haven't kept up with this thread til now, so I was sure to read all 9 pages before posting my 2 cents on the matter. This is too important to miss things, or double post. I've been looking at this event in a range far beyond Norway, more like a Prince Ferdinand type moment, only different.

Ever since Obama was "running" (ha ha) for president, the focus on terrosism in the U.S. began to shift from AlCIAda, to homegrown terrorism. I've been watching for two years now people like me being portrayed as potential threats. White, middle class, gun owner, likes Ron Paul, takes the Constitution seriously, pro small government, etc. I'm one of the worst of the worst for blatently displaying the old "Don't Tread on Me" tag on front of my truck. Very dangerous people indeed. Last week Alex Jones pointed out this new video courtesy of our friends at Homeland Security, a continuation of their new propaganda and scare program of "See Something, Say Something"

K7q3bWEvl7o

Just a couple days later, the Norway attacks. Coincidence? Dangerous middle class white guys. They could be ANYBODY!! They could be ANYWHERE!! They could be ANYONE!! Observe and report, like a good little East German citizen. Now I'm seeing on American news the term and threat of "homegrown terrorism" being bandied about gratuitously, because of course what happened in Norway is proof that this unfortunate problem still exists, even worse than Alqaida now. Tim McVeigh and the Unibomber are once again in the spotlight.

Just something to keep in mind as things "progress".

Fred

[Lucc30]

Now: Extremely high possibility #2 perpetrators (second one not dressed as a policeman) at island massacre - from eyewitnesses.

[Lucc30]

We've lost this forever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WERraYvhrhc&feature=autoplay&list=PLBF53A75191C512C0&index=31&playnext=3
Original lyrics: Ole Paus

My little country
(Our tiny country)
A small place - where a handful of peace are thrown out among the plains and the sea
My little country - where high mountains are planted between houses
- and peoples - and words.
:Where silence - and dreams they grow.
As an echo,
in barren soil.
My little country,
where the ocean is gently stroking the shore,
who caresses from coast to coast.
My little country, where the stars slip by and become a landscape when it is brightening,
while at night,
are pale - and - silent.

In Norwegian:
Mitt lille land
(Vårt lille land)
Et lite sted der en håndfull fred slengt ut
blant vidder og fjord
Mitt lille land,der høye fjell står plantet mellom hus,
og mennesker og ord.
Der stillhet, og drømmer gror.
Som et ekko,
i karrig jord.
Mitt lille land,
der havet stryker mildt om rygg,
som kjærtegn fra kyst til kyst.
Mitt lille land, der stjerner glir forbi og blir et landskap når det blir lyst,
mens natten,
står blek og tyst.

Hopefully I can bring the world communities heartfelt sympathy to our brothers and sisters - they need it.

[Muzz]

European police agency plans task force to help Scandinavians "tackle terrorism" (Problem, Reaction, Solution?) (http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=16183)

[Lucc30]

European police agency plans task force to help Scandinavians "tackle terrorism" (Problem, Reaction, Solution?) (http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=16183)

Exactly my thoughts as well.

[Hughe]

I don't buy the garbage report from MSMs. Two airplane crash didn't burn down the WTC buildings. It was staged by them.

Again one gun man can not kill 80+ health individuals in open field. Please use your logic and common sense.
It's extremely hard to kill a moving target. Unless the victims were all frozen to death on the spot or other shooters were there.

[christian]

from realistnews.net


Oslo Bombings Story According To MSM Is Already Debunked!

Today’s bombing in Oslo and a related mass shooting that occurred just outside the Norwegian capital are already replete with inconsistencies and questions that demand further inquiry into whose agenda this deadly attack serves.

Authorities have already said that the man who carried out the shootings at a youth camp in a nearby resort has direct ties to the earlier bombing in Oslo of a government building.
- An eyewitness to the blast who was just 200 feet away from the explosion called into the Alex Jones show and stated that there was a “bomb sweep” of the area the day before the attack. Norwegian television also reported this story.

- According to a Norwegian who emailed us, his father who is an explosives expert has analyzed the bombing scene and states that due to the pattern of the damage and debris, the blast was clearly underground. There are also reports that the road was closed off in recent days for underground sewer works. This is inconsistent with the official story that the blast was caused by a car bomb.

- Friday was a public holiday in Norway and the building that was bombed was largely empty, which is why only seven people died. The Daily Mail reports, “Fortunately, it is a public holiday in Norway and the offices are less busy than a normal weekday.” Why would “terrorists,” who presumably want to kill as many people as possible, choose to bomb the building on a day when they know it will be almost empty?

http://www.realistnews.net/Thread-oslo-bombings-story-according-to-msm-is-already-debunked
http://www.infowars.com/oslo-terror-whose-agenda-does-it-serve/

[Lucc30]

I don't buy the garbage report from MSMs. Two airplane crash didn't burn down the WTC buildings. It was staged by them.

Again one gun man can not kill 80+ health individuals in open field. Please use your logic and common sense.
It's extremely hard to kill a moving target. Unless the victims were all frozen to death on the spot or other shooters were there.

I agree - but please do remember this is a very tiny island (Utoya) - also with several tiny clusters of woods. The illegitimate policeman (perpetrator) gathered a large group on the shoreline (where the largest number of the victims were shot dead)
to 'inform' them about rumors about
shooting/fireworks/drills (his own shooting performance - or one person more, may be or may be not true) on the island and the bombing in Oslo - these were/are politically active youths - so for them there should be no reason at all to not trust the 'policeman'.

[Lucc30]

- Friday was a public holiday in Norway and the building that was bombed was largely empty, which is why only seven people died. The Daily Mail reports, “Fortunately, it is a public holiday in Norway and the offices are less busy than a normal weekday.” Why would “terrorists,” who presumably want to kill as many people as possible, choose to bomb the building on a day when they know it will be almost empty?

To make it explicitly clear: It was not a public holiday - rather the time when most of the population in Norway (in larger towns and the Capital city) have their common summer holiday. Therefore the minor amount of people at work at the time of the bombing.

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

Whats with the UFO sighting? A street lamp? as the lights seem to be hanging across the streets in Oslo by wire so this could easily be a mistake but thought I'd throw it in the mix, unless it's already been mentioned in this thread.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZoe37UCzyQ&feature=related

I'm guessing street lamp but really!! Not everything you see is what is real nowadays.

Ski-

[christian]

one gun man can not kill 80+ health individuals in open field. Please use your logic and common sense.
It's extremely hard to kill a moving target. Unless the victims were all frozen to death on the spot or other shooters were there.

He had 90 minutes to do this and the island left little chances for the people to escape, which probably enhanced people's panic and their feeling of being in a trap, thus paralyzing them or creating desperate behaviour among them. I served two years in the military and have some experience with handguns, rifles, etc. and I figure a talented marksman could do that in that time at that place, I don't want to give anyone ideas, though. None of the survivors reported about a second shooter yet. The island was packed with people, 500-600 must have been there, every 7th was killed (from what I read), it could have been quite some more, the way I see it.

The smoking gun here is the police, that only came after 90 minutes and hadn't snipers in the helicopter but flew over the island for a while, before they landed and captured him.

By any reasonable standard, there should have been a helicopter or a boat started immediately after the police got the first call and the guy should have been shot at the first opportunity.

[Lucc30]

Whats with the UFO sighting? A street lamp? as the lights seem to be hanging across the streets in Oslo by wire so this could easily be a mistake but thought I'd throw it in the mix, unless it's already been mentioned in this thread.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZoe37UCzyQ&feature=related

I'm guessing street lamp but really!! Not everything you see is what is real nowadays.

Ski-

Yes, quite correctly - a street lamp (sorry - I'm disappointed too).

I have been working in this street (Torggata - and pass trough it almost daily) - and if you analyze the video closely you will see a similar lamp further down the street. (There will be three or four lamps in this street before a square (YoungsTorget)). The disappearance of the 'UFO' (this time) seems like a play of the light (camera).

[Lucc30]

None of the survivors reported about a second shooter yet. The island was packed with people

@ Chiquetet: We don't know that for certain yet - (indirectly) according to friends of friends of the survivors - they describes for us very explicitly there was a second person shooting. True?

We do not know at moment (thankfully the heavy wounded victims are very well shielded from the media) - but it is plausible.
The chaos the survivors are telling us about does not rule out the possibility (second shooter - even may be (or not) - an insider 'youth') - that some of them (surviving victims) reporting the sound of shots from different directions. Could have been echos (not likely at this location) - but we still don't know at this time.

[jackovesk]

The smoking gun here is the police, that only came after 90 minutes and hadn't snipers in the helicopter but flew over the island for a while, before they landed and captured him.

By any reasonable standard, there should have been a helicopter or a boat started immediately after the police got the first call and the guy should have been shot at the first opportunity.

BINGO, chiquetet...!

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2011/07/24/1226100/958473-anders-behring-breivik.jpg

Timothy McVeigh type (Manchurian Candidate) all over again...Looks like Anders Behring Breivik knew a how to handle a gun..!

Looks like a 'Military Grade' weapon/scope to me..!

There is just way too much info surfacing in such a short period of time on this Psycho..! (Way too Much)!

PS - When it comes to a 2nd Shooter, it would be very easy for forensics to establish several different weapons used in the attacks! But somehow, I think that will be swept under the carpet aswell!

[Davidallany]

Removed for bad taste.
Sorry to anyone offended.

PS. When I posted the removed post, I didn't know of any casualties, that came later.
That's new my Lord, since when you have to answer to the senate, with your light saber and lightning bolts you make the senate :)

KKH9SlrYp98

Just a note about the explosion, maybe Bin Laden have risen from the dead and did it?

[Lucc30]

The smoking gun here is the police, that only came after 90 minutes and hadn't snipers in the helicopter but flew over the island for a while, before they landed and captured him.

@ Chiquetet again - sorry but they where really busy with the Capital city bombing.
But yes - they should have known and acted better ('terror attack reciepie' - diversion and attack stronger - at another place) than letting the local police handling it (at Utoya) before the severity of the situation was understood.

And precisely - why did the time pass so long? (45 mins. - first helicopter arriving after first reports from local police force to national forces) before arriving at Utoya (anti-terror police by boat (yes - after 90 mins.) - copter only observing as there are no tradition (the need never ever have been necessary before) to bring snipers in copters). (The tragic horror went on for 90 minutes at the island.) Still to long reaction time for what the public now understand as the bigger tragedy than the Capital bombing. My own opinion is (at the time) that a lot of the (Norwegian) elite did NOT know before hand about this incident.
The larger picture and motives (as with 9/11) will become a lot much more clearer with time.

And to tell about the place this happened - there is not even a village in the vicinity - only a cluster of a tourist camp place, a hotel, a gas station and the houses for the peoples working at these places. For most of the Norwegian citizens this is FAR away from the (more or less major) city - a place passing by without noticing on their way to ski resorts and cottages.
The reason for mentioning this (I do believe - as I can not say to often - even the national elite did not know) is why the national police arrived this late and DID not understood the seriousness of the situation.

[inzer0]

The bombing effected a few buildings, and it wasn't known which one was specifically targeted. the effected buildings were the ministry of finance, the ministry of petroleum and energy, and the prime ministers office.. This was curious to me so on a whim i googled "norway oil". and also norway finance.. among the first links to show up, was an article published on the 21st, the day before, entitled "Norwegian Antarctic oil claim may break international law", heres the link http://theforeigner.no/pages/news/norwegian-antarctic-oil-claim-may-break-international-law/
among further reading, there were alot of articles stating that norway's oil which is their major source of wealth, has been on a decline and they've been looking for other sources. one of these sources being the Barents sea in antarctica. among the articles is one entitled "Norway Oil Drillers Hit Record Dry Spell as Reserves Wane" link here http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-03-03/norway-oil-drillers-hit-record-dry-spell-as-reserves-wane.html another one is "Norway's oil challenge" http://gulfnews.com/gn-focus/norway/norway-39-s-oil-challenge-1.806207 and another about the arctic drilling http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/big-statoil-find-revives-norways-oil-future/article1967734/
those are just a couple articles but there are alot of them, upon reading about this, it seems to me, that norway was faced with a predicament of not being able to sustain its standard of living due to declining oil, so they went to go drill in antarctica, which apparently may be against international law. interesting that the first article was published the day before the bombing... i'm not trying to speculate here but could there perhaps be a connection? bombings are a good way of destroying documents.. what if the targeted building was infact the ministry of petroleum and/or the finance building...

[Carmody]

Hi all, I haven't kept up with this thread til now, so I was sure to read all 9 pages before posting my 2 cents on the matter. This is too important to miss things, or double post. I've been looking at this event in a range far beyond Norway, more like a Prince Ferdinand type moment, only different.

Ever since Obama was "running" (ha ha) for president, the focus on terrosism in the U.S. began to shift from AlCIAda, to homegrown terrorism. I've been watching for two years now people like me being portrayed as potential threats. White, middle class, gun owner, likes Ron Paul, takes the Constitution seriously, pro small government, etc. I'm one of the worst of the worst for blatently displaying the old "Don't Tread on Me" tag on front of my truck. Very dangerous people indeed. Last week Alex Jones pointed out this new video courtesy of our friends at Homeland Security, a continuation of their new propaganda and scare program of "See Something, Say Something"

K7q3bWEvl7o

Just a couple days later, the Norway attacks. Coincidence? Dangerous middle class white guys. They could be ANYBODY!! They could be ANYWHERE!! They could be ANYONE!! Observe and report, like a good little East German citizen. Now I'm seeing on American news the term and threat of "homegrown terrorism" being bandied about gratuitously, because of course what happened in Norway is proof that this unfortunate problem still exists, even worse than Alqaida now. Tim McVeigh and the Unibomber are once again in the spotlight.

Just something to keep in mind as things "progress".

Fred

Remember that the incredibly successful head of the East German Stazi....this guy manged to in the end, to have one out of every 6 east Germans spying for the organization, in some manner or another. He was so good at this... that the USA said that they could mange no insertion or probe into that system, it was so tight.


After the end of the 'cold war' they hired him to enact the same in the USA, via being employed in the depths of the DHS. This,as the DHS really came on line after 9/11. Thus, his directives and recipe book for paranoid fascist subversive control of the given state was adopted at the federal level at the deepest and most critical layers. They use his book and methods to do what they are doing today.

One little slip up: The Nazi's were financed by the US banking groups under the banner of the Federal reserve bank and via other industrialist and capitalists.

The banking group was called, IIRC, the Union Banking Corporation.

This was headed up by Senator Prescott Bush, the father of George Bush Senior,and the grandfather of George Bush Junior. An inquiry via the US senate(IIRC) was going to result in Prescott Bush being tried for treason, for this treasonous act, but that ended in a quiet miss.

OK. so we have, on record, us congressional record, the father and grandfather of Two US presidents being directly connected to the banking and corporate financing of the Nazis. To add, they were given a cease and desist order in 1942, but the secretly continued to finance the Nazis. So the offices of the presidency of the United states is involved the the death of US soldiers in Europe during the second world war. This, via Skull and Bones.

It gets crazier yet.

Another set of skull and bones member(s), the Dulles Brothers..... form the CIA and bring back the Nazi Scientists to the USA into black ops corporate and military programs. George Bush Senior goes on to be the Head of the CIA, and the President of the United States.

The Nazi's had a Huge spying apparatus in the Eastern Block when the wall or curtain fell, behind the soviet barricade or wall, when the second world war ended.

Now..the Nazi's were left in charge of and controlling their spy network in eastern Europe, specifically in eastern Germany. They reported to the CIA.

Point being that the Nazi's were still, in some vital ways --in charge of Eastern Germany. And beyond. and they began to work it. to build it, again.

So, the CIA says it had no penetration or resource in eastern Germany. That the mechanism was that good. Well, they already were directly involved.

They kept that information ,the Nazi, corporate banking black ops connection to the fascist and fascist methods and ways they had..they kept that out of the more grand scheme of the US governmental system.

George Bush Junior comes to power, regarding the US presidential offices. Now, who get hired by DHS?

Markus Wolf.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2004/061204wolfhired.htm

[Fred Steeves]

Just on a side note here, it's a shame with all the supposed "education" kids get these days, not to mention the terrorist hype they are pumped full of, that they aren't taught the most basic of survival skills. None of us are. Maybe it's just the potential scenarios that I run through my skull full of mush all the time, maybe I'm just weird that way, but when someone is walking around for 1 and 1/2 hours firing a gun at people, and there is no escape, there is a LOT of re-loading to be done. THAT is the only chance you have in that situation, wait for the shooter to spend a clip, and as soon as he goes to eject it to put in another, you go at the son of a bitch like there's no f*****k tomorrow; and that just may be the case.

Duck, cover, and wait for help just don't get it folks. Not just these poor kids, but society in general is ingrained with this foolish philosophy.


Fred

[TheSwede]

Alex Jones claim Infowars predicted it:
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Since they ran out of arab-terrorists to keep people in fear they are now warning the public that the most likely terrorists are blue-eyed blond people. Like this is a testrun before they start rolling it out in the US, if everything goes as planned and they get away with it.

Sounds suspicious if the government goes out with the warning that terrorists most likely are blue-eyed blond people now and then right after that this happens in Norway.

Like they wanna make us all fear EVERYONE and not just arabs.

Has anyone looked into this? Alex Jones have videos about it on hes channel.

[manny]

you go at the son of a bitch like there's no f*****k tomorrow...fred

maybe fred but you were,nt their.you can only speculate.
what has happened has happened.
how many shooters 1 or 2?
in a situation that only happens in movies.

my heart goes out to all those that have passed on and for their friends and familys.
as i,m sure yours does to.

but there is much more to this i believe..as many others do also.
hopefully the truth may come out.

question.why did the gunman give himself up?usually when these things happen the gunman nearly always kills himself at the end.
mindcontrol...came to mind?

[gsb67]

ex oriente lux

[Rocky_Shorz]

Just on a side note here, it's a shame with all the supposed "education" kids get these days, not to mention the terrorist hype they are pumped full of, that they aren't taught the most basic of survival skills. None of us are. Maybe it's just the potential scenarios that I run through my skull full of mush all the time, maybe I'm just weird that way, but when someone is walking around for 1 and 1/2 hours firing a gun at people, and there is no escape, there is a LOT of re-loading to be done. THAT is the only chance you have in that situation, wait for the shooter to spend a clip, and as soon as he goes to eject it to put in another, you go at the son of a bitch like there's no f*****k tomorrow; and that just may be the case.

Duck, cover, and wait for help just don't get it folks. Not just these poor kids, but society in general is ingrained with this foolish philosophy.


Fred

I'm sure that is what the 7 and 8 year olds were thinking...


I saw a shot from above of a camera taking pictures of the shooter with the kids in the water...


are you telling me a sniper couldn't have gotten that close and ended it? Friggen pilot should have dove at him... that is a time when heros are made, not news...

[Hervé]

Well, well, well... greasy, oily, slippery tracks:


To add to the data dump bin: the building on fire, the one shown with heavy smoke coming out from the floor under a helipad... that's an oil company building.

Here's Gordon Duff's take on this murder op:



Norway Notes – Updated (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/07/23/norway-notes/)

Breaking Story: The Second Tragedy is the Lies

By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor

“The attack in Oslo also came 65 years to the very day after the Israeli Irgun blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem”…Eileen Fleming

Remembering my manners and putting aside cheap journalism for humanity, the staff at Veterans Today offers its condolences and best to the families of the dead and the people of Norway. Every life is precious.

[…]



Israel has two difficulties with Norway that would be handled with a “false flag” terror attack. Certainly Anders Behring, the suspect in custody could easily be managed in a number of ways, led, perhaps assisted, augmented as it were. Any intelligence agency can do such things. One probably did. Israel’s difficulties are:

Norway’s national oil company has decided to boycott Israel because of the violence in Gaza. This is a huge issue with Israel, seen as a threat to their national security and is likely to draw a violent response. A car bomb near their oil company headquarters is very much a standard warning, “government to government” as it were. Adding the slaughter of children to it is a Mossad signature. All that might be found as a reminder is this 11 month old article from the Jerusalem Post (http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=185712):
Norway’s Ministry of Finance announced that the Norway Oil Fund divested from Africa-Israel Investments and Danya Cebus Ltd. on Monday.
The reason given is the companies’ construction in the West Bank.




The Norwegian Finance Ministry said, “The ethics council stresses that construction of settlements in the occupied territories violates the decision of the Geneva Convention regarding defense of civilians during war time. Several decisions of the UN Security Council and the International Court of Justice have reached the conclusion that construction of Israeli settlements in the Palestinian territories is prohibited.”

Norway is likely to vote for in favor of sanctions against Israel in the United Nations this September. Though America is expected to veto the initiative as the United States has done nearly 200 times before, there is a wrinkle this time that has not been there for years. Rupert Murdoch will not be able to work Israel’s corner, bribery, blackmail, propaganda, spying, the usual bag of tricks that are brought out for just such an occasion. Thus, a car bombing and the brutal slaying of scores of children, though they can’t be hung on Muslims as was the 7/7 London bombing, will or could act as a warning to Norway and others. In fact, there is no reason for this act to have occurred, not now, not there, not this severe, for any other reason that one.
That “one” is Libya and the warnings against NATO by Colonel Gaddafi.


Gaddafi is the most obvious suspect. He has made the threats. Here, Gaddafi threatens specifically to murder children in NATO Europe:
In an address relayed to some 100,000 supporters in Tripoli’s Green Square on Friday, Gaddafi urged NATO to halt its bombing campaign or risk seeing Libyan fighters descend on Europe “like a swarm of locusts or bees.”
“Retreat, you have no chance of beating this brave people,” Gaddafi said.
“They can attack your homes, your offices and your families, which will become military targets just as you have transformed our offices, headquarters, houses and children into what you regard as legitimate military targets,” he said.

Normally, Gaddafi wouldn’t be considered a likely culprit. However, Norway does have a large Muslim population and Libyan agents have been very active in Norway. Norway is considered Europe’s “softest” target, perfect for Gaddafi.

Even more telling is that despite his recent threats to perform terror acts exactly as the ones we have seen, he has never been mentioned, particularly when the “neocon” press has gone on its Islamophobic way. Gaddafi was spared?
Why, might we ask?

What if they both did it…

There are two things about Libya and Israel that are not commonly known. They have been friends, when they have needed each other at least, for decades. It hasn’t been a perfect love affair, they have traded weapons technology, germ, chemical and nuclear, and have covered for each other.

Gaddafi insults Israel, threatens them and then calls up Israel and says “I didn’t really mean it.” This has been going on forever.

You can take two positions on America’s press. One, that it is totally controlled by Israel or, “two,” that those friendly to Israel control 90% of it.

The press hasn’t mentioned Libya as a possible “evildoer.” This may well mean Libya did it and Israel helped.

Another less known piece of information is Libya’s love affair with the Republican Party, George W. Bush and, in Britain, Tony Blair.

This may well be the real reason that Obama and Cameron are trying to kill Gaddafi. Who wouldn’t, under those circumstances.

It gets even worse. Gaddafi is represented, secretly as is allowed by law, in the US by Rudy Giuliani.

Giuliani is one of Israel’s biggest friends.

The Norway attacks is a form of “two-fer” in that it serves both Libya and Israel equally.
The trail that supports this is circumstantial now. We said “now.”

Israel is famous for car bombs. Timing favors the Libyan threat and Israeli needs to intimidate.
The biggest “tell” is the news stories. Israel sent out her neocon surrogates in the media to push wild conspiracy theories involving Islamic militants.

Someone with the power to influence Israel’s friends in the press is covering for Colonel Gaddafi after his recent threat to stage an attack identical to the one we have seen.

What we can depend on?

Everything we hear from the mainstream media from now on will be a lie.


Comments:



Alexander
July 24, 2011 - 11:14 am (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/07/23/norway-notes/comment-page-2/#comment-250985)
Important : Records being Altered
Gordon,
[...]
I don’t buy the Libya connection because Norway is in the process of withdrawing from the NATO attacks on Libya,…they are in the forefront of getting NATO to stop BOMBING immediately, if anything Libya’s Gaddafi should be thanking them for their courageous stand AGAINST NATO.

[Lucc30]

The bombing effected a few buildings, and it wasn't known which one was specifically targeted. the effected buildings were the ministry of finance, the ministry of petroleum and energy, and the prime ministers office..

Please understand that the Capital city of Noway is very small compared to other nations Capitals (recently only passed half a million citizens here) and that the quarter affected have very few buildings and on a very small areal (again compared to other comparibles), and that it used to be possible to drive by, by car (meters from the PMs office).
So from our nations view it was not directed at any of the buildings but at the area - and from the view of the perpetrator hopefully affecting mostly of the area and buildings (he did managed that).


......there were alot of articles stating that norway's oil which is their major source of wealth, has been on a decline and they've been looking for other sources.

Quite correctly - but understand this as well; the Norwegian investments/funds are the largest in sum/moneys in the world (even larger than the US dept at this time (EDIT: got the wrong number here, its a bit lesser than one tenth of the US dept) - and no - I'm not proud of it at all - and have never seen a penny of it used).
Is it a possible motive? A threat to the NWO/global elite?
I (personally) do not believe so, as we as a nation are to US friendly. (Do not like as it is all in intelligence/military agendas.) Also, we are in close cooperation with the (- don't have a word for it- ) HAARP project. In fact, we have a HAARP constellation in our country (not proud of that either).

So all in all: a small nation - easy controlled, manipulated, free and democratic (apparently), rich beyond beliefs?! Motives from the global elite?
I do hope - but do not believe in - our nation political abilities (nor their lackeys or/and themselves being lackeys for the global elitees).

What I really do believe in - are the natives of THIS planet forces to prevent the agenda of the elite and our abilities to create one world (without the f****** 'order' agenda)!

Love to all my sisters and brothers!

[Fred Steeves]

you go at the son of a bitch like there's no f*****k tomorrow...fred

maybe fred but you were,nt their.you can only speculate.
what has happened has happened.


Hi manny, that's not speculation brother, that's just the way I roll. I've seen WAY too many of these events transpire over the years to think otherwise. Watching interviews of Colombine survivors was my tearful initiation. I cried like a baby watching a girl that was in the library there describe having a gun put to her head and hearing the question: "Are you ready to die"? If I had kids, I would teach them this. When the shooter runs out of bullets, he doesn't have a gun either.(temporarily) It may sound harsh, but if a few of those young men, or women would have rolled that way, there might just be far less body bags needed there.

I've carried a concealed firearm for several years now, so in say a restaurant type scenario I could end it fairly quickly. If I had no gun, I would do exactly as stated above, I'd wait till he emptied his clip and was fumbling around for another, then either take him out, or go down swinging. I would NOT wait my turn, or my wife's turn, to be shot like a rabid dog cowering under a table.

Please don't mistake this as an attack on those poor kids...God no...Just that people around the world, in all cultures, are being taught basically to duck and cover, not self defense. It was never taught to me, I had to figure it out the hard way on my own.

Fred

[Rocky_Shorz]

can everyone search around for any mention of a chopper in the air when this was going on, I think I know where the 2nd gunshots were coming from...

[manny]

if we as a small community,can see that this is all bull****.
then surlely the people of norway,the prime minister ect.
can see it also.

is there a deeper agenda?
to the tptb
we now know how you work.but the more you do the more we are awakekened to your schemes.
only you have to LIVE with what you are a part of.

[Lord Sidious]

Hi all, I haven't kept up with this thread til now, so I was sure to read all 9 pages before posting my 2 cents on the matter. This is too important to miss things, or double post. I've been looking at this event in a range far beyond Norway, more like a Prince Ferdinand type moment, only different.

Ever since Obama was "running" (ha ha) for president, the focus on terrosism in the U.S. began to shift from AlCIAda, to homegrown terrorism. I've been watching for two years now people like me being portrayed as potential threats. White, middle class, gun owner, likes Ron Paul, takes the Constitution seriously, pro small government, etc. I'm one of the worst of the worst for blatently displaying the old "Don't Tread on Me" tag on front of my truck. Very dangerous people indeed. Last week Alex Jones pointed out this new video courtesy of our friends at Homeland Security, a continuation of their new propaganda and scare program of "See Something, Say Something"

K7q3bWEvl7o

Just a couple days later, the Norway attacks. Coincidence? Dangerous middle class white guys. They could be ANYBODY!! They could be ANYWHERE!! They could be ANYONE!! Observe and report, like a good little East German citizen. Now I'm seeing on American news the term and threat of "homegrown terrorism" being bandied about gratuitously, because of course what happened in Norway is proof that this unfortunate problem still exists, even worse than Alqaida now. Tim McVeigh and the Unibomber are once again in the spotlight.

Just something to keep in mind as things "progress".

Fred

Remember that the incredibly successful head of the East German Stazi....this guy manged to in the end, to have one out of every 6 east Germans spying for the organization, in some manner or another. He was so good at this... that the USA said that they could mange no insertion or probe into that system, it was so tight.


After the end of the 'cold war' they hired him to enact the same in the USA, via being employed in the depths of the DHS. This,as the DHS really came on line after 9/11. Thus, his directives and recipe book for paranoid fascist subversive control of the given state was adopted at the federal level at the deepest and most critical layers. They use his book and methods to do what they are doing today.

One little slip up: The Nazi's were financed by the US banking groups under the banner of the Federal reserve bank and via other industrialist and capitalists.

The banking group was called, IIRC, the Union Banking Corporation.

This was headed up by Senator Prescott Bush, the father of George Bush Senior,and the grandfather of George Bush Junior. An inquiry via the US senate(IIRC) was going to result in Prescott Bush being tried for treason, for this treasonous act, but that ended in a quiet miss.

OK. so we have, on record, us congressional record, the father and grandfather of Two US presidents being directly connected to the banking and corporate financing of the Nazis. To add, they were given a cease and desist order in 1942, but the secretly continued to finance the Nazis. So the offices of the presidency of the United states is involved the the death of US soldiers in Europe during the second world war. This, via Skull and Bones.

It gets crazier yet.

Another set of skull and bones member(s), the Dulles Brothers..... form the CIA and bring back the Nazi Scientists to the USA into black ops corporate and military programs. George Bush Senior goes on to be the Head of the CIA, and the President of the United States.

The Nazi's had a Huge spying apparatus in the Eastern Block when the wall or curtain fell, behind the soviet barricade or wall, when the second world war ended.

Now..the Nazi's were left in charge of and controlling their spy network in eastern Europe, specifically in eastern Germany. They reported to the CIA.

Point being that the Nazi's were still, in some vital ways --in charge of Eastern Germany. And beyond. and they began to work it. to build it, again.

So, the CIA says it had no penetration or resource in eastern Germany. That the mechanism was that good. Well, they already were directly involved.

They kept that information ,the Nazi, corporate banking black ops connection to the fascist and fascist methods and ways they had..they kept that out of the more grand scheme of the US governmental system.

George Bush Junior comes to power, regarding the US presidential offices. Now, who get hired by DHS?

Markus Wolf.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2004/061204wolfhired.htm

Aha, you have an interest in Reinhard Gehlen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Gehlen
What does all this have to do with the Oslo terrorism?

[Rocky_Shorz]

Banking... Greece Bailout... Greece explosion...

just coincidences...

[nearing]

'A Madman's work': 87 dead in Norway attacks

A home-grown terrorist set off an explosion that ripped open buildings in the heart of Norway's government, and then went to a summer camp dressed as a police officer and gunned down youths as they ran and even swam for their lives.

Police say at least 80 people were killed in the shooting spree at the youth camp on the island of Utoeya where hundreds of youth were attending an event organised by the youth wing of Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg's Labour Party.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/a-madmans-work-87-dead-in-norway-attacks-20110723-1htu6.html

http://images.theage.com.au/2011/07/23/2511509/terror169-408x264.jpg
acted alone in both attacks. WTF..!


A police official said Anders Behring Breivik, a 32-year-old ethnic Norwegian suspect arrested at the camp on Utoeya island appears to have acted alone in both attacks. :nono:

``It seems like that this is not linked to any international terrorist organisations at all,'' he said.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because that information had not been officially released by Norway's police.

``It seems it's not Islamic-terror related,'' the official said. ``This seems like a madman's work.''

The official said the attack ``is probably more Norway's Oklahoma City than it is Norway's World Trade Centre.''

Described as 6ft tall and blond, Breivik is reported to have arrived on the island of Utoya and opened fire after beckoning several young people over in his native Norwegian tongue.

Reports suggest he was also seen loitering around the site of the bomb blast in Oslo two hours before the island incident - and also before the capital's explosion.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/explosion-at-office-of-norwegian-tabloid-newspaper-vg/story-e6frf7jo-1226100159686


Photo of him with a gun shooting at people.

http://politicons.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/NewImage25.png

(Full Screen Here)

http://i53.tinypic.com/23r263t.jpg

UPDATE: He has a Twitter account hereTwitter account here (https://twitter.com/#!/AndersBBreivik). He has only one tweet that reads: "One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100 000 who have only interests."

http://www.boingboing.net/2011/07/22/Screen-shot-2011-07-22-at-4.55.jpg

A Wikipedia page (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik) has been created about him.

Wiki Quote: "Following his apprehension, Breivik was characterized by officials as being a right-wing extremist"

Then this...


The suspect arrested in today's bombing and shooting attacks in Oslo is 32-year-old Anders Behring Breivik, who is believed to have links to right-wing extremist and anti-immigrant (read: anti-Muslim) organizations. (source: Sky News). And now, he has a Wikipedia page. The Daily Mail has photos.

Here's what Norwegian media are reporting as his Facebook page, and Twitter account. Looks like they were both just activated within the past week, which is all very suspicious.

Aftenposten notes that he is said to be a Conservative Christian and a Mason, and into hunting and bodybuilding.

He owned a farming company that had access to chemicals believed to have been used for bomb-making.

According to comments attributed to him on various Norwegian right-wing/anti-immigrant forums, he was a fan of an array of white supremacist and anti-Muslim pundits—including some from the US. Assuming it's legit, all of this makes early reports that Muslims were responsible for the attacks all the more regrettable.

http://www.boingboing.net/2011/07/22/oslo-terror-suspect.html


PS - ACTED ALONE??? Do you 'NWO Criminal Bastards' think the World is that 'Bloody Stupid'..!

ONE MAN 'SHOT' 80 PEOPLE after racing away from the bomb he set-off in Oslo??? C'Mon..!!! I don't think so..!!!

PSS - Oh I forgot he's a Freemason aswell...Go Figure???

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/07/23/article-2017709-0D1F33FB00000578-704_306x512.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2017851/Police-dismiss-initial-fears-Norwegian-terror-attacks-work-Islamist-organisations.html

ALL OF THIS INFORMATION conveniently found in less than 24hrs after the ATTACKS!

:nono:

PSSS - "FALSE FLAG" ANYONE..?

:yes4:

If these were 'youth' at a summer camp. Why don't any of them look like they are in bathing suits? why are they all in or near the water and not in swimming clothes? He is walking among them too, not shooting from afar, it looks very odd.

And I agree with whoever said he is a Manchurian Candidate. I do NOT think this man acted alone. I don't see how he could have.

[Davidallany]

At the end there is only truth, ascension is the truth. The fabricated events around the world are just an attempt to bring the vibrations down. They might as well give it up, they are running out of games, for to many who have seen the truth and were touched by it, third dimension tactics has no power over forth dimension matrix, some of us are already one leg over the other side. It's time to see these events for they truly are, TPTB is trying to influence the ascension process with the help of other entities by creating those events and all sort of other activities both on everyday reality and on the, behind the veil reality. The machines are running on full thruster all the time now and the magicians are working over time.

[Rocky_Shorz]

that is the second photo taken from above that I have seen...

http://politicons.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/NewImage25.png

who took the photos? was he getting direction from above? 2nd shooter in the sky?

[Lucc30]

....you go at the son of a bitch like there's no f*****k tomorrow....

Sorry - we as a nation are NO WAY AT ALL caving in to the barbarian way of death penalty. Not even in this case of terror, inhumanity and deeply sorrow.

MAN is not meant to rule the deaths of other man. Period!

[Lucc30]

Banking... Greece Bailout... Greece explosion...

just coincidences...

Sorry again - the Norwegians (peoples votes - 3 times)
opposed the EU. We are not at all in a position to bail out anyone by any directive(s).

[Lord Sidious]

....you go at the son of a bitch like there's no f*****k tomorrow....

Sorry - we as a nation are NO WAY AT ALL caving in to the barbarian way of death penalty. Not even in this case of terror, inhumanity and deeply sorrow.

MAN is not meant to rule the deaths of other man. Period!

I think you will find that Fred was talking about defending yourself on the spot, not executing criminals.

[Lucc30]

@ Nearing: Please read the tread before commenting/asking - the answers to your questions are all there.


If these were 'youth' at a summer camp. Why don't any of them look like they are in bathing suits? why are they all in or near the water and not in swimming clothes? He is walking among them too, not shooting from afar, it looks very odd.

[Lucc30]

TPTB.

To late - they are already TPTW! W=Wanted to be!!

[Lucc30]

....you go at the son of a bitch like there's no f*****k tomorrow....

Sorry - we as a nation are NO WAY AT ALL caving in to the barbarian way of death penalty. Not even in this case of terror, inhumanity and deeply sorrow.

MAN is not meant to rule the deaths of other man. Period!

I think you will find that Fred was talking about defending yourself on the spot, not executing criminals.

That was clarified in his second post - Anyhow the statement stands strong & clear!

(Hugs Fred - your views are agreeable and very understandable - would have done the same in situation.)

[manny]

please.
stop what if.
what has happened is done.
now what can we do to help to expose the truth.

[christian]

Banking... Greece Bailout... Greece explosion... just coincidences...

Sorry again - the Norwegians (peoples votes - 3 times)
opposed the EU. We are not at all in a position to bail out anyone by any directive(s).

Paul Watson from prisonplanet suggests, exactly because of this Norway is targeted by this globalist's false flag attack, he names 3 main reasons:

Norway backs the Palestinian path to statehood at the UN, where a vote on this is scheduled for early September
Norway announced they pull out of Lybia on 1st of August
Norway refuses to contribute money to the Greek bailout


But the big picture here is utterly complex and convoluted, with so many aspects and motives to it, I figure, it's like a strange boiling and steaming potion, and the 'elite' hopes they got the right ingredients and the right timing to make the potion what they want it to be, but I figure the potion's got a life of its own and humanity is waking up to the fact that the elite stages all kinds of acts, once that is understood it is not really necessary to get into their mindset of why they did it exactly or what exactly they did it for, because at the end, the elite's basic belief system and methods are utterly stupid, disregarding the great balance of all-that-is, disregarding that their games of oppression and exploitation will backfire on them.

[Rocky_Shorz]

another coincidence...


please.


now what can we do to help to expose the truth.



Jellyfish invade Israeli shores - Millions of giant jellyfish have been washing up on Israeli beaches, posing a threat to power plants...

link (http://english.aljazeera.net/video/middleeast/2011/07/2011724192513693698.html?utm_content=automateplus&utm_campaign=Trial5&utm_source=SocialFlow&utm_term=tweets&utm_medium=MasterAccount)

the real question is, what can't we do... ;)

[Lucc30]

Banking... Greece Bailout... Greece explosion... just coincidences...

Sorry again - the Norwegians (peoples votes - 3 times)
opposed the EU. We are not at all in a position to bail out anyone by any directive(s).

Paul Watson from prisonplanet suggests, exactly because of this Norway is targeted by this globalist's false flag attack, he names 3 main reasons:

Norway backs the Palestinian path to statehood at the UN, where a vote on this is scheduled for early September
Norway announced they pull out of Lybia on 1st of August
Norway refuses to contribute money to the Greek bailout


But the big picture here is utterly complex and convoluted, with so many aspects and motives to it, I figure, it's like a strange boiling and steaming potion, and the 'elite' hopes they got the right ingredients and the right timing to make the potion what they want it to be, but I figure the potion's got a life of its own and humanity is waking up to the fact that the elite stages all kinds of acts, once that is understood it is not really necessary to get into their mindset of why they did it exactly or what exactly they did it for, because at the end, the elite's basic belief system and methods are utterly stupid, disregarding the great balance of all-that-is, disregarding that their games of oppression and exploitation will backfire on them.

Can not agree more with your analysis - but it is to late in any regards. Every little or major thing the elite do/have done will wake up even more peoples and make the awakened more alert!


Norway refuses to contribute money to the Greek bailout No - we do not even have the rights to bail out Greece (tried that with Iceland and got politically snapped) - but we have the opportunity to bail them out with charity. The Greek politicians will rather be in pockets of (banksters/Rotshilds) EU (for their own, personal gain) regretfully.
This is certainly not the Greek peoples choice .

And to everybody else; you know very well that there is no such ting as coincidence.

[christian]

you go at the son of a bitch like there's no f*****k tomorrow...

I've carried a concealed firearm for several years now, so in say a restaurant type scenario I could end it fairly quickly. If I had no gun, I would do exactly as stated above, I'd wait till he emptied his clip and was fumbling around for another, then either take him out, or go down swinging.

I commend your courage, I think one is well advised to attack the attacker to end something like this - it takes nerves to act intelligently and bravely in such a situation, but it's obviously more worthwile than just bending over. But changing a clip lasts merely a second, so I figure it's quite a challenge to get at him in a scenario, where the shooter is not directly (within a few yards) surrounding with many people.

[Lord Sidious]

you go at the son of a bitch like there's no f*****k tomorrow...

I've carried a concealed firearm for several years now, so in say a restaurant type scenario I could end it fairly quickly. If I had no gun, I would do exactly as stated above, I'd wait till he emptied his clip and was fumbling around for another, then either take him out, or go down swinging.

I commend your courage, I think one is well advised to attack the attacker to end something like this - it takes nerves to act intelligently and bravely in such a situation, but it's obviously more worthwile than just bending over. But changing a clip lasts merely a second, so I figure it's quite a challenge to get at him in a scenario, where the shooter is not directly (within a few yards) surrounding with many people.

Factor in adrenaline and a sense of urgency and changing magazines doesn't sound so simple now.
Trust me, trying to do it as fast as possible with no experience or practise can mean huge screw ups.
Drop the magazine on its lip and you get feed errors meaning stoppages.
It isn't like the movies.

[Fred Steeves]

because at the end, the elite's basic belief system and methods are utterly stupid, disregarding the great balance of all-that-is, disregarding that their games of oppression and exploitation will backfire on them.


Spot on chiquetet, that's been simmering on me own pot for a while. When they go for their final check mate move, it had BETTER work, because if it doesn't, not only is it reversly check mate back on them, but the entire game board disappears as well. I don't think this is that move, but it's one building up to that. If I were the one of them who had to actually move that piece into the final (supposed) check mate position, I would be sweating, and have shaky fingers indeed.

Universal Law is a son of a gun...

Cheers,
Fred

[nearing]

@ Nearing: Please read the tread before commenting/asking - the answers to your questions are all there.


If these were 'youth' at a summer camp. Why don't any of them look like they are in bathing suits? why are they all in or near the water and not in swimming clothes? He is walking among them too, not shooting from afar, it looks very odd.


I did read the thread it didn't answer this: why are they all in or near the water and not in swimming clothes?

They are piled in the water!

And I second the question of who in the hell took that photo and why didn't they shoot him?

[christian]

you go at the son of a bitch like there's no f*****k tomorrow...

I've carried a concealed firearm for several years now, so in say a restaurant type scenario I could end it fairly quickly. If I had no gun, I would do exactly as stated above, I'd wait till he emptied his clip and was fumbling around for another, then either take him out, or go down swinging.

I commend your courage, I think one is well advised to attack the attacker to end something like this - it takes nerves to act intelligently and bravely in such a situation, but it's obviously more worthwile than just bending over. But changing a clip lasts merely a second, so I figure it's quite a challenge to get at him in a scenario, where the shooter is not directly (within a few yards) surrounding with many people.

Factor in adrenaline and a sense of urgency and changing magazines doesn't sound so simple now.
Trust me, trying to do it as fast as possible with no experience or practise can mean huge screw ups.
Drop the magazine on its lip and you get feed errors meaning stoppages.
It isn't like the movies.

I give you credit for adrenaline and urgency and for the fact that it's not like the movies. But I know how to change a clip, too, I served in the military and handled all kinds of weapons, one press of a thumb or finger, the old one goes out. And sticking a new one in is a no problem at all, I mean, I never actually saw someone messing that up, dropping the clip or whatever. So you gotta be really bad with your hands or shaking like a mixer to mess it up. From what transpired about this guy, he knew how to handle a gun. Feed errors are very rare as well, in my experience I never had one, never saw one. - If one of those cases would indeed occur, though, this of course would be the ideal time to get at him.

[christian]

The smoking gun here is the police, that only came after 90 minutes and hadn't snipers in the helicopter but flew over the island for a while, before they landed and captured him.

sorry but they where really busy with the Capital city bombing.
But yes - they should have known and acted better ('terror attack reciepie' - diversion and attack stronger - at another place) than letting the local police handling it (at Utoya) before the severity of the situation was understood.

As soon as they got the message, that there was a gunman shooting people, this would be top priority immediately, there must be at least one boat or helicopter and one or two snipers (and if there is no professional sniper at the police station right in that moment someone who feels like he is able to handle a rifle) left in Oslo and they would loose no time to get there and shoot him. This is life or death, you wouldn't loose any time, you would try to kill him as fast as possible. That's what the police is supposed to do in such a situation. It's not about understanding quantum physics, it could hardly be more simple.

No offense at you Lucc, I figure, especially because you are from Norway, right in the aftermath of something like this your mind might be all over the place, mine and many other's prayers are with you and your fellow Norwegians right now.

[Lucc30]

@ Nearing: Please read the tread before commenting/asking - the answers to your questions are all there.


If these were 'youth' at a summer camp. Why don't any of them look like they are in bathing suits? why are they all in or near the water and not in swimming clothes? He is walking among them too, not shooting from afar, it looks very odd.


I did read the thread it didn't answer this: why are they all in or near the water and not in swimming clothes?

They are piled in the water!

And I second the question of who in the hell took that photo and why didn't they shoot him?
Except that every place on earth are not necessarily very similar like the place you are from.............

Prepare - eat - chew - digest (and: at the end **** it as well) your own food. Sorry - just really tired of brothers who do not do their own investigations (or bother to even turn on the mainstream news channels).
Just clarifying.

And please do read the WHOLE tread carefully again - it is really all there.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Hunt for Britons linked to Norway killer Anders Behring Breivik
A hunt for possible British accomplices of the mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik is under way after it emerged that he began his deadly “crusade” after meeting other Right-wing extremists in London.
link (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8658664/Hunt-for-Britons-linked-to-Norway-killer-Anders-Behring-Breivik.html)

new info...

[Hervé]

Tarpley's take:



Norway Terror Attacks a False Flag: More Than One Shooter on Island; Oslo Bomb Drill Just Concluded; Was It NATO’s Revenge for Norway’s Decision to Stop Bombing Libya?

by Webster G. Tarpley, Ph.D.
TARPLEY.net (http://tarpley.net/)
Washington DC, July 24, 2011 – The tragic terror attacks in Norway display a number of the telltale signs of a false flag provocation. It is reported that, although the world media are attempting to focus on Anders Behring Breivik as a lone assassin in the tradition of Lee Harvey Oswald, many eyewitnesses agree that a second shooter was active in the massacre at the Utøya summer youth camp outside of Oslo. It has also come to light that a special police unit had been conducting a drill or exercise in downtown Oslo which involved the detonation of bombs – exactly what caused the bloodshed a few hundred meters away little more than 48 hours later. Further research reveals that United States intelligence agencies had been conducting a large-scale program of recruiting retired Norwegian police officers with the alleged purpose of conducting surveillance inside the country. This program, known as SIMAS Surveillance Detection Units, provided a perfect vehicle for the penetration and subversion of the Norwegian police by NATO.

A motive for the attack is also present: as part of its attempt to mount an independent foreign policy, including the imminent diplomatic recognition of a Palestinian state as part of a general rapprochement with the Arab world, Norway was leading the smaller NATO states in dropping out of the imperialist aggressor coalition currently bombing Libya. Norway was scheduled to stop all bombing and other sorties against the Gaddafi forces as out of August 1 at the latest.

Finally, the CIA limited hangout operation known as Wikileaks has already furnished a prefabricated off-the-shelf case for incompetence and malfeasance against the current Norwegian government that is doing all these things – in the form of a series of real or doctored dispatches which document the alleged negligence of this government in dealing with the terrorist threat, all in the view of US State Department officials.

VG of Oslo: “Several” Eyewitnesses Say there were Two Shooters on the Island
As noted, world press and media of the Anglo-American school have immediately battened onto Breivik as an archetypal lone assassin cast in the mold of Lee Harvey Oswald, Sirhan Sirhan, and so many others. The problem for the terror mythographs is that , in most of these cases, there is credible to overwhelming evidence that these figures could not have acted alone. Among more recent loan assassins, Breivik could be compared to Major Nidal Hasan of Fort Hood, Texas, whose shooting spree dates back to November 2009. Hasan is accused of having killed seven people. At the time, it was considered remarkable that Hasan had managed to kill so many armed soldiers on the military base. But early reports suggested that there were one or two other shooters in addition to Hasan. As usually happens, these extra shooters were soon expunged from the hegemonic media narrative.1 (http://tarpley.net/2011/07/24/norway-terror-attacks-a-false-flag/#f1-ref)

In the Norwegian case, the evidence that Breivik was not alone in claiming his fearful toll of victims is clear and convincing. Here are some excerpts from a report published by the Oslo newspaper VG:

“Several of the youths who were at the Utøya the shooting drama, told VG that they are convinced that there must have been more than one perpetrator. Marius Helander Røset believes the same thing: – I am sure that there was shooting from two different places on the island at the same time, he said.

Witnesses: – There were two people
Police believe Anders Behring Breivik (32) is the perpetrator who was dressed as a policeman , and have charged him for two terrorist attacks. Young people interviewed by VG describe an additional perpetrator – who was not wearing a police uniform. The person was following them around was 180 centimeters tall, had thick dark hair and a Nordic appearance. He had a pistol in his right hand and a rifle on his back. – I believe that there were two people who were shooting, says Alexander Stavdal (23)….

At the press conference Saturday morning opened the police said that there could have been several perpetrators and emphasized that there is an ongoing investigation.”2 (http://tarpley.net/2011/07/24/norway-terror-attacks-a-false-flag/#f2-ref)

The presence of a second shooter is of course most inconvenient for the lone assassin theory, since it represents incontrovertible evidence of a criminal conspiracy, the very thing which the media coverage is usually anxious to avoid. In the Norwegian case, the reports of a second shooter seemed to be persistent enough 36 hours after the main event so as to hold out some hope that the entire official version can be brought down on this particular.


Full article here: http://tarpley.net/2011/07/24/norway-terror-attacks-a-false-flag/

[Lucc30]

The smoking gun here is the police, that only came after 90 minutes and hadn't snipers in the helicopter but flew over the island for a while, before they landed and captured him.

sorry but they where really busy with the Capital city bombing.
But yes - they should have known and acted better ('terror attack reciepie' - diversion and attack stronger - at another place) than letting the local police handling it (at Utoya) before the severity of the situation was understood.

As soon as they got the message, that there was a gunman shooting people, this would be top priority immediately, there must be at least one boat or helicopter and one or two snipers (and if there is no professional sniper at the police station right in that moment someone who feels like he is able to handle a rifle) left in Oslo and they would loose no time to get there and shoot him. This is life or death, you wouldn't loose any time, you would try to kill him as fast as possible. That's what the police is supposed to do in such a situation. It's not about understanding quantum physics, it could hardly be more simple.

No offense at you Lucc, I figure, especially because you are from Norway, right in the aftermath of something like this your mind might be all over the place, mine and many other's prayers are with you and your fellow Norwegians right now.

No offense taken - that is one of the questions I ask myself; Why so long time & why no snipers from copters before the media copters where there already?

EDIT:

As soon as they got the message, that there was a gunman shooting people, this would be top priority immediately, there must be at least one boat or helicopter and one or two snipers (and if there is no professional sniper at the police station right in that moment someone who feels like he is able to handle a rifle) left in Oslo and they would loose no time to get there and shoot him.

UPDATE:
I consider and believe there was elite forces at play - but:
Please consider this - Norway is not Germany (how large are your population? About 90 millions or so citizens?) - Norway are a comparatively (global) village. Even though there must have been elite forces included in this grave incident that would be an adequate reaction time (as I have witnessed in national catastrophes).

But you know the tactics; shock - divert - suggest - gather - blame - solution(s)

[Hervé]

The smoking gun here is the police, that only came after 90 minutes and hadn't snipers in the helicopter but flew over the island for a while, before they landed and captured him.

sorry but they where really busy with the Capital city bombing.
But yes - they should have known and acted better ('terror attack reciepie' - diversion and attack stronger - at another place) than letting the local police handling it (at Utoya) before the severity of the situation was understood.

As soon as they got the message, that there was a gunman shooting people, this would be top priority immediately, there must be at least one boat or helicopter and one or two snipers (and if there is no professional sniper at the police station right in that moment someone who feels like he is able to handle a rifle) left in Oslo and they would loose no time to get there and shoot him. This is life or death, you wouldn't loose any time, you would try to kill him as fast as possible. That's what the police is supposed to do in such a situation. It's not about understanding quantum physics, it could hardly be more simple.

No offense at you Lucc, I figure, especially because you are from Norway, right in the aftermath of something like this your mind might be all over the place, mine and many other's prayers are with you and your fellow Norwegians right now.

The very act of the bombing should have sent the whole fleet of rotating wings flying...

[Hervé]

But then, again, "There was a bombing drill going on..." plausible deniability, again... too many of these drills going on at the same time as actual occurrences!

[Lucc30]

But then, again, "There was a bombing drill going on..." plausible deniability, again... too many of these drills going on at the same time as actual occurrences!

'Police' and their accomplices in crime were to busy.

Yes - 48 hours beforehand (as we know at the time).
But still all to suspicious - as these drills are a mark of any major 'terrorist' attacks. 9/11 - London - Madrid - you name them..............

[Lucc30]

Last news before bed and blowing out the candle lit for the victims, family, friends and all inhabitants of earth:
'The legal hearing (tomorrow) will probably be closed to the public/media' (contrary to what the perpetrator himself wanted)! Oh no - that is not even close to democracy. This small piece of information says it all: Very foul play at work!
You all know.

Updates when something new regarding this case - mainstream, but the most reliable media at the time - use Google trans. & for updates shortcut: press F5:
http://www.bt.no/nyheter/innenriks/Siste-nytt-om-terroraksjonene-2541876.html

[nearing]

@ Nearing: Please read the tread before commenting/asking - the answers to your questions are all there.


If these were 'youth' at a summer camp. Why don't any of them look like they are in bathing suits? why are they all in or near the water and not in swimming clothes? He is walking among them too, not shooting from afar, it looks very odd.


I did read the thread it didn't answer this: why are they all in or near the water and not in swimming clothes?

They are piled in the water!

And I second the question of who in the hell took that photo and why didn't they shoot him?
Except that every place on earth are not necessarily very similar like the place you are from.............

Prepare - eat - chew - digest (and: at the end **** it as well) your own food. Sorry - just really tired of brothers who do not do their own investigations (or bother to even turn on the mainstream news channels).
Just clarifying.

And please do read the WHOLE tread carefully again - it is really all there.

Excuse me Luc, I am not a brother. Not every place is similar to yours either. I would NEVER get my news from the MSM where I live. THEY LIE.

And I do not see the answer - but now you have made me not care anymore. Good day, Luc.

My prayers for the loved ones of the deceased and the hurt.

[Enquiring1]

2+2=4+7=11 /2011 This is occult astronomy. False flag, just like 9/11 7/7.

Good point. I wonder if this was also a satanic child Sacrifice.

This was a cruel evil act.

The Karma induced by the perpetrators will be ugly.

Norway as a whole is in my prayers.

[astrid]

http://www.vgtv.no/#!id=42455

Sorry if this has been posted, it's an "as it happened" clip of the bombing....

[Davidallany]

if we as a small community,can see that this is all bull****.
then surlely the people of norway,the prime minister ect.
can see it also.

is there a deeper agenda?
to the tptb
we now know how you work.but the more you do the more we are awakekened to your schemes.
only you have to LIVE with what you are a part of.
The majority of people like to give a face to the enemy so that they can retaliate and sleep better, because so far not everyone is willing to handle the truth.One would think that after all the lies, false accusations and manipulations, people will open their eyes and see the true enemy right where the money pours and orders to invade countries are made, one would think !
Do you think the American people will repeat the same mistake if the government decides to take them for another ride?

[Rocky_Shorz]

didn't see this one before...

http://twitter.com/#!/AndersBreivik

wonder if they found the link to London there...

[modwiz]

I have a feeling the MSM will not be reporting anything like this. Without all of the information people will be looking for mushrooms at the seashore.

These comments taken from an article/blog of Gilad Atzmon an Israeli who speaks for all decent people.

Devastatingly enough, in Israel, Behring Breivik found a few enthusiastic followers who praised his action against the Norwegian youth. In the Hebrew article that reported about the AUF camp being pro Palestinian and supportive of the Israel Boycott Campaign, I found the following comments amongst other supports for the massacre:

24. “Oslo criminals paid”

26. “It's stupidity and evil not to desire death for those who call to boycott Israel.’

41. “Hitler Youth members killed in the bombing of Germany were also innocent. Let us all cry about the terrible evil bombardment carried out by the Allied…We have a bunch of haters of Israel meeting in a country that hates Israel in a conference that endorses the boycott.. So it's not okay, not nice, really a tragedy for families, and we condemn the act itself, but to cry about it? Come on. We Jews are not Christians. In the Jewish religion there is no obligation to love or mourn for the enemy.”

Complete piece is here:http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/gilad-atzmon-was-the-massacre-in-norway-a-reaction-to-bds.html

This is all horrifyingly sad, for every decent human being on this planet. If information like the above ever made the nightly newscasts things would get extremely ugly. As intended the news will not look at certain festering sores. Instead they focus on Islamic extremism and now, domestic (you and me) terrorism. We as a civilization face many threats and we cannot afford to ignore any of them.

[Flash]

@ Nearing: Please read the tread before commenting/asking - the answers to your questions are all there.


If these were 'youth' at a summer camp. Why don't any of them look like they are in bathing suits? why are they all in or near the water and not in swimming clothes? He is walking among them too, not shooting from afar, it looks very odd.



I did read the thread it didn't answer this: why are they all in or near the water and not in swimming clothes?

They are piled in the water!

And I second the question of who in the hell took that photo and why didn't they shoot him?
Except that every place on earth are not necessarily very similar like the place you are from.............

Prepare - eat - chew - digest (and: at the end **** it as well) your own food. Sorry - just really tired of brothers who do not do their own investigations (or bother to even turn on the mainstream news channels).
Just clarifying.

And please do read the WHOLE tread carefully again - it is really all there.

Excuse me Luc, I am not a brother. Not every place is similar to yours either. I would NEVER get my news from the MSM where I live. THEY LIE.

And I do not see the answer - but now you have made me not care anymore. Good day, Luc.

My prayers for the loved ones of the deceased and the hurt.

From what I understood nearing, the kids were having a summer camp and were from the elected political party. They were preparing for the coming and speech of their prime minister. In such circumstances, they would be dressed and not in swimsuits and in the lake. I read/heard it in videos and articles posted in this thread.

Put apart that in the real north of the planet mosquitoes in summer are very voracious, when not swimming, you get dressed to avoid them, but I don't think this was the reason. This is my own experience.

Also, it seems that the first attacker was disguised in police officer and told the kid to come near the water, which they did (learned to obey to autorities, why not when nothing ever happens in your country).

They tried to excape the shooting by swiming away, then the killer started to shoot them in the water and get as much as possible. This is from postings in this thread and related articles.

In the helicopter were cops that were not armed to get down, because they do not have special units ready to go down from helicopters as American have. A deduction from the readings here.

It is a very small country where nothing ever happens, they are not trained/equiped to face these unexpected, for them, situations. Again a deduction from the readings here.

Who took that photo from high above, I do not know, I presume it iis the cops in helicopter. But I may be wrong.
If I am wrong, please, anybody here do not hesitate to correct me.

In most countries on the planet, individual people are not armed at all, they do not have private arms ownership rights in their constitutions. And it is illegal to own arms unless you have special permits for hunting for example. Therefore, when a shooter starts, the rest of the population cannot intervene, even if you see something happening and wish you could. The shooters in those countries almost always acquire their arms illegally, mostly if they are automatic weapons..

Nearing, I do wonder why it is so important for you to know why the kids are not in swimsuits or the fact that they are in the water. What have you seen or deducted that we may be not be seeing or that worth you getting angry at someone who has friends in the shooting?

[Humble Janitor]

False flag, plain and simple.

If you didn't think there was a conspiracy, think again.

They *will* scrub all accounts of a second shooter and a bomb drill 48 hours prior.

Mark my words.

This is not what they want you to think it is.

[Lord Sidious]

Hunt for Britons linked to Norway killer Anders Behring Breivik
A hunt for possible British accomplices of the mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik is under way after it emerged that he began his deadly “crusade” after meeting other Right-wing extremists in London.
link (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8658664/Hunt-for-Britons-linked-to-Norway-killer-Anders-Behring-Breivik.html)

new info...

Ok, this is getting interesting and silly at the same time.
The ''far right'' group they speak of is the english defense league.
This group is a front for the intelligence agencies in the uk.
And, like breivik, they are pro israel, anti muslim and hate ''nazis'' so you guys tell me.



MI5 is not currently involved in tracking down Right-wing extremists but sources admitted the attacks could force a change of tactics.
Yeah, they don't track em, just set them up.

This getting more and more like port arthur.
Martin Bryant just happened to go to the Tavistock Institute whilst in London.
He is also a ''lone nut'' gunman that did things impossible for one man.
And he was also blonde.

[Operator]

that is the second photo taken from above that I have seen...

http://politicons.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/NewImage25.png

who took the photos? was he getting direction from above? 2nd shooter in the sky?

I returned to this thread with the same thoughts. But I saw the discussion on this already started.
I cannot tell if a 2nd shooter was in a chopper ... but from other pictures I saw that the armed police force arrived by boat and apparently
90 minutes after the shooting started. But then I remembered these aerial pictures ... there was something in the air:

1.: so police could have arrived by air much quicker too
2.: he doesn't seem bothered by the aircraft overhead
3.: he's not shooting at the aircraft ... just continues undisturbed.

Just some points that makes one wonder ... :confused:

P.S. I am double confused because in my past I have made this kind of footage myself

[jcocks]

TPTB.

To late - they are already TPTW! W=Wanted to be!!

Yep. We're at the stage where the animal (TPTW) is cornered and knows its time is up. Now it's faced with the "fight or flight" situation - does it fight to try and stay in control, or does it run like hell. We're seeing the fight response. They're going to do whatever they can to derail the process that's underway now....but it's all in vain - they're just too pig-headed to see that :(

[Humble Janitor]

If anything, WE caught them at their game.

More accurately, the Norweigan press did.

Regardless, the less we're fooled by this ****, the more they scramble. Like rats in a short maze. They scramble.

There is no exit.

[Lord Sidious]

Gilad Atzmon: Was the Massacre in Norway a reaction to BDS?

I learned last night from an Israeli online journal, that two days before the Utoya Island massacre, AUF’s (Labour Party's youth movement) leader Eskil Pedersen gave an interview to the Dagbladet, Norway's second largest tabloid newspaper, in which he unveiled what he thinks of Israel.



In the course of the interview, Pedersen stated that he “believes the time has come for more drastic measures against Israel, and (that he) wants the Foreign Minister to impose an economic boycott against the country.”

Pederson went on to say, “The peace process goes nowhere, and though the whole world expect Israel to comply, they do not. We in Labour Youth will have a unilateral economic embargo of Israel from the Norwegian side.”

The AUF Labour Party Youth Movement have been devoted promoters of the Israel Boycott campaign, The Dagbladet newspaper reporting that “The AUF has long been a supporter of an international boycott of Israel, but the decision at the last congress, demands that Norway imposes a unilateral economic embargo on the country and it must be stricter than before.”

“I acknowledge that this is a drastic measure”, stated Pedersen, “but I think it gives a clear indication that we are tired of Israel's behaviour, quite simply”.

Yesterday we also learned that mass-murderer Anders Behring Breivik was openly enthusiastic about Israel. According to a variety of internet outlets, Behring Breivik was a regular poster on several Norwegian internet sites, notably the blog document.no, which is run by Hans Rustad, a former left-wing journalist. Hans Rustad is Jewish, extremely pro-Zionist, and warns against ‘Islam-isation’, violence, and other social problems he assumes to be connected with Muslim immigration.

Alongside the UK’s infamously Islamophobic Harry’s Place and other Jewish pro-war Zionist blogs, the observant amongst us are becoming more and more aware of an increasingly pervasive trend of Jerusalemite internet journals that -- ostensibly – like to give the impression of ‘rallying for the preservation of Western culture,’ and of ‘standing up for democratic values’. For the most obvious of reasons, these blog pages are almost exclusively focused on ‘the problem of Islam,’ and on Muslim migrants’ ‘troubled and reactionary’ communities and politics, whilst all the while, simultaneously, relentlessly and forcefully propounding a propagandistic Zionist agenda. Interestingly enough, other immigrants are routinely depicted on these blog pages as being 'harmless', or as 'positive contributors to society' -- you won’t find Hans Rustad or Harry Place criticising the Jewish Lobbies, the Lord Levy’s or the Russian Oligarchs’ disastrous impact on ‘Western culture’ or on ‘democratic values’ any time soon.

Gordon Duff wrote yesterday in “Veterans Today” that the “car bombing carries the signature of an intelligence agency. Nobody else bothers with such things.”

And indeed it is after all, pretty clear that a car bomb of such magnitude, and an operation of such sophistication is not exactly something a layman can put together with such apparent ease: it would surely take some specialist knowledge, and the question here is, who could provide such knowledge, and such a vast amount of lethal explosives?

I am not in a position at present to firmly point a finger at Israel, its agents, or its sayanim -- but assembling the information together, and considering all possibilities may suggest that Anders Behring Breivik might indeed, have been a Sabbath Goy.

Within its Judaic mundane-societal context, the Sabbath Goy is simply there to accomplish some minor tasks the Jews cannot undertake during the Sabbath. But within the Zion-ised reality we tragically enough live in, the Sabbath Goy kills for the Jewish state. He may even do it voluntarily.

Being an admirer of Israel, Behring Breivik does appear to have treated his fellow countrymen in the same way that the IDF treats Palestinians.

Devastatingly enough, in Israel, Behring Breivik found a few enthusiastic followers who praised his action against the Norwegian youth. In the Hebrew article that reported about the AUF camp being pro Palestinian and supportive of the Israel Boycott Campaign, I found the following comments amongst other supports for the massacre:

24. “Oslo criminals paid”

26. “It's stupidity and evil not to desire death for those who call to boycott Israel.’

41. “Hitler Youth members killed in the bombing of Germany were also innocent. Let us all cry about the terrible evil bombardment carried out by the Allied…We have a bunch of haters of Israel meeting in a country that hates Israel in a conference that endorses the boycott.. So it's not okay, not nice, really a tragedy for families, and we condemn the act itself, but to cry about it? Come on. We Jews are not Christians. In the Jewish religion there is no obligation to love or mourn for the enemy.”

The full facts of the Norwegian tragedy are, as yet, unknown, but the message should by now be transparently and urgently clear to all of us: Western intelligence agencies must immediately crackdown on Israeli and Zionist operators in our midst, and regarding the terrible events of the weekend, it must be made absolutely clear who it was that spread such hate and promoted such terror, and for what exact reasons.

http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/gilad-atzmon-was-the-massacre-in-norway-a-reaction-to-bds.html

[Hervé]

I returned to this thread with the same thoughts. But I saw the discussion on this already started.
I cannot tell if a 2nd shooter was in a chopper ... but from other pictures I saw that the armed police force arrived by boat and apparently
90 minutes after the shooting started. But then I remembered these aerial pictures ... there was something in the air:

1.: so police could have arrived by air much quicker too
2.: he doesn't seem bothered by the aircraft overhead
3.: he's not shooting at the aircraft ... just continues undisturbed.

Just some points that makes one wonder ... :confused:

P.S. I am double confused because in my past I have made this kind of footage myself

From what I understood Lucc30 as saying is that whoever was in that chopper was not armed as most police forces in Norway. Only the "Special Forces" are. Apparently nobody else bears arms/weapons.

Those Special Forces had to be rounded up and transported... but no copters to fly... no boats available... when locals were rescuing the kids with their boats... something squeaks to high pitch.

[dan i el]

http://whatreallyhappened.com/node/126310



NORWAY SHOOTER USED FRAGMENTATION BULLETS

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/E...4-13-06-29


Dr. Colin Poole, head of surgery at Ringriket Hospital in Honefoss northwest of Oslo, told The Associated Press the gunman used special bullets designed to disintegrate inside the body and cause maximum internal damage. Poole said surgeons treating 16 gunshot victims have recovered no full bullets.

"These bullets more or less exploded inside the body," Poole said. "It's caused us all kinds of extra problems in dealing with the wounds they cause, with very strange trajectories."

Ballistics experts say the so-called dum-dum bullets also are lighter in weight and can be fired with greater accuracy over varying distances.

Webmaster's Commentary:

Fragmentation bullets also make ballistic matching impossible, concealing the presence of multiple guns and multiple shooters.

[dan i el]

http://blog.balder.org/?p=1241

Quote:Sat 23 Jul 2011
Norway: Mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik is anti-racist, pro-homosexual and pro-Israel

Some comments about the ideological background of the Oslo bomber and Utoya shooter

If you have a website; please copy this post to your site, before my webhost again shuts me down for too much traffic.

Anders Behring Breivik - Freemason

Norwegian sources have identified the man who dressed up as a policeman shot perhaps as many as 80 or more innocent young people on the island of Utoya [Utøya] as the 32 years old Anders Behring Breivik. He is also alleged to stand behind the bomb in Oslo, which so far killed seven people,

The perpetrator was a regular poster on several Norwegian Internet media, notably the blog document.no, which is run by Hans Rustad1), a former left wing journalist. Hans Rustad is Jewish, and extremely pro-Zionist, and warns against islamization, violence and other problems connected with Muslim immigration. Many regular contributors on that blog naturally more or less share his views.

They represent an ideology where the importance of ethnicity is played down or dismissed completely, and the need for the preservation of Western cultural and democratic values is commonly used as the substitute key argument against immigration. Their rhetorics and activities are almost completely focused on Islam and Muslims; other immigrant groups such as Vietnamese, Chinese, non Muslim Africans and other groups are routinely painted as 'harmless', or even as 'positive contributors to society'.

This is the currently most popular strain of the anti-immigration movements in Europe, as represented by Geert Wilders' Freedom Party, the Danish People's Party, the Sweden Democrats, and in Germany the so called 'Pro-movement', of which Pro-Cologne (Pro-Köln) is one of the most active, as well as several recently new established parties with a similar ideology . In England the EDL is connected to this ideology, together with groups such as SIOE and its local chapters, The Danish Free Press Society and their magazine Sappho, and some others. Note that the SIOE uses the slogan: 'Racism is the lowest form of stupidity! Islamophobia is the height of common sense'.

This picture was taken on the island of Utøya the previous day

Their American allies are people such as Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer, Daniel Pipes, etc. The dedication to the Zionist cause, and their rejection of classical nationalist ideas such as the importance of ethnicity, sets them apart from the sincere nationalist parties such ad the British National Party, Front National (France), Jobbik (Hungary), and NPD (Germany - and the only clearly National Socialist inspired movement of those mentioned).

Their heroes are mainly Jews such as German Henryk Broder, the French Zionist Bernard Henry Levy, British Melanie Philips, Bernard Lewis, to mention just a few, and many more. The Flemish Nationalists fall somewhere in between, and are mainly traditional Nationalists with no love for the US, Zionism or Israel, who are trying to adapt to a new pro-Zionist image, inspired by the success of Geert Wilders' Freedom Party in Holland, and the Danish People's Party in Denmark.

Terror victims in Oslo

Members of the pro-Zionist groups and parties often paint their non philosemitic fellow nationalists as Nazis, anti-Semites and racists, copying the rhetorics the left wing PC-brigade uses against themselves, and try to present a more polished image towards the mainstream. They are also much better connected to mainstream politicians than the traditional nationalists, and at times are supported by mainstream newspapers, such as Jyllands-Posten in Denmark, as well as by right wing Jewish groups and individuals. The mainstream press usually judges these groups more favorably then traditional nationalists, who are invariably accused of being 'Nazis'.

Anders Behring Breivik, the Norwegian bomber and gunman also pursued this line of thought:

Posted on 2009-09-14 10:57:20 as a reaction to post by 'Caper'

Caper,

I didn't see that the EDL as it is today is what we would have wanted. But it is essential that the intellectual conservative forces (unofficially) offer political and ideological schooling to our youth between 15 and 25. Who else is to do that?

We cannot despise the young in society and refuse to come closer to them only because they lack ideological training, since it is exactly OUR (culturally conservative intellectuals) responsibility to do so.

Bawer [referring to homosexual anti-islamist Bruce Bawer] is probably not the right person to work as a bridge builder. He is a liberal anti-Jihadist, and in many ways not a culturally conservative. I have my suspicions about him being TOO paranoid [with reference to his homosexuality). It could seem as though he fears that 'cultural conservatives' will become a threat against homosexuals in the future. Therefore he refuses to take his chance to influence them into a positive direction? That seems completely irrational.

It has to be said that many organizations such as VB [probably referring to the Flemish nationalist party Vlaams Belang] needs to go through many 'reforms', before they reach our level.

Anyway, we are not in a position where we can pick and choose our partners. That's why we have to ensure that we influence other culturally conservatives to take our anti-racist pro-homosexual, pro-Israeli line of thought. When this direction has been taken we can take it to the next level.

The consolidation MUST continue, and people must contribute by influencing (in stead of isolating).

The above was translated from this page, where document.no has collected all posts by Anders Behring Breivik. So far it is not possible to read the seperate comments in the original thread; according to an announcement on the website, they changed IT-systems a few days ago, and are working on bringing the comments and the full posts back online. The URL to the article to which this comment belongs is here; maybe it will work later on.

Footnote:

1 I dislike Mr. Hans Rustad for at least one reason: He does not support freedom of speech when it comes to WWII history and the holocaust.

Total deathtoll at this moment 9:00 local Norwegian time: 91

Ps. Rumors

There are rumors on the internet that Anders Behring Breivik is identical with the well known conservative blogger Fjordman. This is denied by people who know him personally, and it is alleged that Anders Behring Breivik during some period has presented himself as Fjordman. More on the Swedish blog Realisten.se.

[Ella]

I just caught the end of the morning news here in Sweden, and the latest news about this is that he was part of a group of 12 people calling themselves the Knights Templar????!!!! Apararently they had a group of 12 on facebook of which he was a member, it is getting headline news here as another of the members was Swedish, and in their manifesto it says something like 'there are over 9000 traitors here in Sweden and we will execute every single one of them' (not the exact words, as I just heard the end of the report). Has anyone else heard this on the news? This is getting surreal.

[jackovesk]

http://www.vgtv.no/#!id=42455

Sorry if this has been posted, it's an "as it happened" clip of the bombing....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S225ga2hzpA

Thanks Astrid,

This is Important...So far this video is the 'Smoking Gun'..! In the Oslo Bombing

After watching the entire clip, some Important Questions need to be raised...

1. The Camera Man was only a couple of blocks away, but there was NO loud explosion?
2. Notice the windows of the corner Green building (top right) windows shattering to the shockwave of the blast? Yet no-one around was blown off their feet?
3. Within (Seconds) the Govt. PA System starts right on queue? To our Norwegian Avalonians WHAT WERE THEY SAYING?
4. Whilst the Camera Man moved closer to to 'Ground Zero' notice buildings in all (Different Directions) had their windows blown out?
5. Puff of Smoke rises above the Grey building that had the 'EGER' sign on it! Yet again 'No Sound'! Why?
6. Some Adjacent buildings had their windows 'Blown Out' YET whilst the Pedestrians 'Right Next To Them' are unaffected? Why?

I am No Expert..!

Call me 'Stupid', BUT if this was a Homemade 'Fertiliser' Car Bomb, the Blast Area would be confined to the immediate area, would it not?

Can a "SHOCKWAVE" from a Homemade 'Fertiliser' Car Bomb travel around corners (Blocks Away) shattering windows and unaffect the pedestrians standing 'Right Next To Them'???

NO, I did'nt Think So...!

So I URGE all our Avalonian 'Truthseekers' to Watch this Clip and see if you came to the same Conclusions I have?

PS - It's more in line with a sophisticated Military Grade EMP/Directed Energy Type Bomb...

NOT A...

Homemade 'Fertiliser' Car Bomb!!!