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Playdo of Ataraxas
22nd July 2011, 14:27
I came across a Fortean Times article that brought to my mind an experience I have had. The title of the article is: Men and Apes: Neanderthals at Seancés and Monkey Ghosts http://www.forteantimes.com/strangedays/ghostwatch/5710/men_and_apes.html

Below is a pertinent excerpt from the article, of which, I have had a similar experience that I recount below. I am curious to know if anyone has had a comparable experience.

Dr Okolowicz later wrote a book on the mediumship of Kluski. He speculated that, like Gooch’s Neanderthal, the figure had its origins in the subconscious mind of a sitter – namely himself – as he had a strong interest in fossil man.

Beyond these séance room examples, actual apparitions of prehistoric men are notable by their absence. Folklore avers many barrows and standing stones are haunted, but spectres are varied – including White Ladies and Black Dogs, but hardly ever the phantoms of their builders..... The shaggy ghosts of a prehistoric family were reputedly seen near Neolithic earthworks at Lustleigh Cleave on Dartmoor by a friend of folklorist Theo Brown (in Transactions of the Devon Association 1952, cited in “Shug Monkeys and Werewolves” by Jonathan Downes and Richard Freeman, in Fortean Studies vol.5, 1997). Feelings of terror experienced by a walker at Rhossily Bay, Wales, were attributed to energies stirred up by ‘old Stone Men’

Regarding the italicized section above, I too have experienced terror from what I thought to be an apparition of a Neanderthal while sitting in a cave in Jena, Deutschland. The cave is called die Teufelslöcher, or Devil's Cave. While sitting in there and meditating, I began to see the city structures dissipate before me and I felt like I was viewing what that area looked like thousands of years ago. The cave rests at the foot of der Kernberg, a sandstone mountain, and from the mouth of the cave the valley floor gently stretches about half a mile or so to the Saale River, a moderately large, slowly meandering, gorgeous river that runs through Jena and Thüringen. My vision led me down to the river bank and I saw what I assumed was a Neanderthal (similar to the description given in the FT article) gathering water by the river, and then I watched him trek back to the cave I was in. When he got back to the cave, he dropped the basket of water and became quite outraged at my intrusion into his abode. At that moment, I awoke from my revery and jumped with fright, and I could sense an angry, malignant presence in there with me, and I took off and ran to my flat as fast as I could, but the entire way back, I felt its breath on my neck! I have honestly never felt terror like that before, and I never again set foot anywhere near that cave. It really screwed with my head, as I had never had such an experience like that before. I learned why it was named the Devil's Cave! That's why this article got my attention. Has anyone else had a similar experience?

Mare
22nd July 2011, 16:39
When I was younger I got into a habit of staring into a mirror for as long as I possibly could. Yes I know most teenagers do! but this wasn't a narcissistic practice but a strange trance-like game I discovered quite by chance. The object was to stare without blinking for as long as you could and after a short while you would begin to observe streams of faces of all races and both sexes. It would always end the same way, me getting a fright with the face of what appeared like a neanderthal staring back. It seemed to be the very base of humanity and it's eyes would terrify me. Of course now I'm older I would probably view it differently but I do recall a medium friend of mine telling me that such a practice could be 'spirit-inducing' and must be performed with the mirror held under water. I haven't thought of this in years until reading your post - many thanks!

PurpleLama
22nd July 2011, 16:46
I have had others report seeing a similar vision around myself to that which Mare describes. Synchronisticly enough, Playdoh is one of those very individuals!

DNA
22nd July 2011, 16:49
I got a reading from a woman of whom I had heard a lot of good things from.
She was really cool.
She didn't tell you the future, she communicated with your higher self.
I could feel the presense of higher beings as soon as the session started.
During the course of which she desribed three of my guardian spirits.
The first two were inconspicuous enough, but the third she was having a hard time with.
After searching and trying to come up with the right words,,,she finally just spit it out.
The third is a hominid primate, a pre-human if you will. She said it was a neanderthal.
I laughed my ass off when she said that.
I've always joked to my friends I'm part neanderthal. Too funny.
And then I get this reading and it turns out I have a neanderthal guardian spirit. Too cool. :)

PurpleLama
22nd July 2011, 17:00
DNA, did you ever check out the Search for God books?

PurpleLama
22nd July 2011, 18:48
You know, Playdoh, if the Neanderthals were the compassionate ones who were engineered by Ea along with his own stock to form modern man, it well could have been one of your own ancestors you saw up there. Compassion you have head and shoulders above the rest of us,bro.


Of course, I had to be the one stuck with the low protruding forehead instead of the big heart.

Maia Gabrial
22nd July 2011, 20:17
Hey Mare,
Years ago, I belonged to a metaphysical group that practiced using a mirror and candle light to see our past selves.... It's interesting to see all those faces. IMO you were seeing all of your own faces...

Maia Gabrial
23rd July 2011, 18:42
I had a thought about ancient people. Why do scientists and archaeologists think that ancient man was unintelligent, uncivilized and backward? Who's to say that Neanderthal man wasn't a highly advanced being? Why do they assume he grunted instead of speaking on the level equal to or better than ours today?
This reminds me of a humorous drawing about a future archaeologist finding a toilet seat which he placed over his head and declared that it was a ceremonial headdress worn by the people of our times....

PurpleLama
23rd July 2011, 21:50
Intelligent neanderthals would turn the theory of evolution on it's head.