Sinkhole or Advanced Weaponry

[Hummingbird]

Hello all,

In Guatemala over the last few days there has been a tremendous storm that has rocked the country.. my wife is from Guatemala and her family told her it rained for 3 days straight.

This is a link to a video of a "sinkhole" supposedly created by the rain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nni68iqI7WA

Looks like a clean cut to me, similar to the other holes that goerge green referred to in his camelot interview..
There are huge cave system under that region occupied by, who knows what kind of beings.
possible part of the war over the underground stargates etc that camelot witness's have been saying. Would love everyone's opinion

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If it was Military related I'm sure the storm was created as a cover up so no one could see, because they definitely couldn't have pulled that off in the broad daylight or night for that matter..

[Rocky_Shorz]

wow that is amazing, and 200 ft deep...

It does look perfectly cut in a circle...

Black hole particle from CERN popping out the other side of the earth? They did say they will be learning what the affects are for 10+ years...

[Rocky_Shorz]

http://s.ngeo.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/211/cache/guatemala-city-sinkhole_21110_600x450.jpg


Depending on the makeup of the subsurface layer, the Guatemala sinkhole "could eventually enlarge and take in more buildings," he said.

Typically, officials fill in sinkholes with large rocks and other debris. But the 2010 Guatemala sinkhole "is so huge that it's going to take a lot of fill material to fill it," Currens said.

"I don't know what they're going to do."

story link (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/06/100601-sinkhole-in-guatemala-2010-world-science/)

[Rocky_Shorz]

This one was from 2007...

http://s.ngeo.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/211/cache/guatemala-city-sinkhole-2007_21118_600x450.jpg


After rumbling for weeks, part of a poor Guatemala City neighborhood plummeted some 30 stories into the Earth on Friday.

The reportedly 330-foot-deep (100-meter-deep) sinkhole swallowed about a dozen homes and is so far blamed in the deaths of three people—two teenagers, found floating in torrent of sewage, and their father, who was pulled from the chasm.

Rainstorms and a ruptured sewer main may have caused the sinkhole, officials in Guatemala told the Associated Press. After the collapse, the seemingly bottomless depths gave off tremors, sounds of flowing water, and the scent of sewage.

Feb 2007 Sinkhole story (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070226-sinkhole-photo.html)

[Rocky_Shorz]

so how far are these sunkholes from the ancient Mayan stargate?


The itinerary will be flexible and we will follow Don Alejandro inner guidance to some very special sacred places. Elizabeth and Don Alejandro will pick us up at the airport and take us to our hotel in Antigua, old capital of Guatemala. Next morning we will start our sacred pilgrimage by visiting the cave of Mon Cuan. At this cave we go down into Mother's Earth Womb where we will do an opening Mayan Initiation and rebirth ceremony. Overnight in the area and then on to the Dimensional tunnel of Lankin. We will then visit the sacred temples of Tikal and the surrounding areas of Uaxactun and Topoxte. We will stay longer in the Tikal to have more time at the Park to experience the jungle at night and do ceremonies during the day. We will be in Tikal for the Harmonic Concordance Stargate - the total Lunar Eclipse of November 8th when six stars form a Grand Sextile - Star of David pattern in the sky.

story (http://www.joytravelonline.com/tikal1.htm)

[Hummingbird]

Thanks for the idea's rocky.. Me and my wife could be relocating there in the future so we will be doing some investigating.

[Rocky_Shorz]

this is close to where they were doing the stargate ceremony...

http://www.maya-archaeology.org/pre-Columbian_Mayan_archaeological_sites_Maya_ruins_archaeology_museums_El_Peten_Guatemala_Central_Ameri ca_ecology_national_parks/stelae_Group_Q.jpg

maybe you are right and there is something very powerful close to these round sinkholes...

we are slowly getting closer and closer to 2012, and once again a reminder of the Mayans...

[Luke]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cenote
Seems this is related

[Rocky_Shorz]

maybe we should map out the sinkholes and look at them in a line like this to see if we can predict where the next one will appear...

[Rocky_Shorz]

7 sinkholes...

or could it be the 7 seals slowly breaking...

[Graybush]

In "The 2012 Enigma by David Wilcock Pt. 03" at 0.11, it shows a map referencing "natural star gates". On a line between one that is located at the infamous Bermuda triangle, and one that is located on the tropic of Capricorn, in the south Pacific, roughly lies... Guatemala.
I may be reaching, but as soon as I saw the story of this new sink hole, i thought of that map for some strange reason. There is an awful lot of volcanic activity, and plate shifting going on in this region.
My 2 cents!

[Rocky_Shorz]

I always thought the center of power for the Mayans was in Peru, but now I'm starting to wonder if it is here instead...

during the great flood did they migrate up to Peru and wait for it to subside before moving back? if Noah's ark landed at 13K feet, there are very few mountains that would stay above it...

the Andes in Peru is almost 21,000

[Anchor]

When I saw the pictures in the news, my first reaction (and therefore usually the one I pay most attention to) was "Woah - that aint natural!".

John..

[Rocky_Shorz]

they talk of underground caves with power crystals 150' long in this area, you think they are discharging and blowing holes outward?

[Wood]

I always thought the center of power for the Mayans was in Peru, but now I'm starting to wonder if it is here instead...

I think the Mayas used to live in southern Mexico (Yucatan, etc) and the countries to the south (like Guatemala), but not getting into South America. It was the Incas who were in Peru.

EDIT: maybe you are right and it was a migration but I think at the time the spaniards started conquering America both the Mayans and the Incas were alive and they were two different nations (or empires).

[Anchor]

Why have we no pictures of inside yet. You would think that someone would want to go down there (lowered down on a rope even!) with a big torch and a camera.

[Hummingbird]

Sink holes to me form in non circular breaks, very random and lopsided. The storm is on the news but nothing on the haarp hole..

I know were I am they are controlling the weather, The sky will be blue and clear in the morning( weatherman says" summer is here folks"), and they are already chemtraling when i get up at 5 am.. Then by 10 or 11 clouds start forming out of thin air.. I am going to be contacting my local weatherman and dip him in reality, a thick sauce.

[Hummingbird]

My wife's grandmother told a story of going to Tikal ( Tikal is close to the border of belize and were there are sacred temples that Rocky mentioned) Her daughter and sister went deep into jungle to see the ruins, they say they saw a short man wearing only handmade underwear with a man who they swear was taller than any man they have ever saw, 7 ft plus.When the men saw them, they ran fast threw the jungle like animals. Many say that in these areas an ancient people still hide in the jungle, deep in the jungle in the area were they found that huge pyramid last year covered in foliage.

My wife's uncle is the outcast of the family( because he doesn't bow to the church) he lives near tikal and has become friends with the indigenous and has actually married a woman of the tribe, very interesting. we will be visiting him this year, I would love to show them Avatar translated

[cloud9]

I wouldn't say this is made with weaponry but that these sinkholes are already there and the big amounts of water or other means are just opening them, they are way too round perfect, nor just at the rim but all the way down, also a natural hole I think would be getting narrower going towards the bottom? These ones just seem as cut with some kind of tool, the walls of the hole are just too.... perfect (again).
Now, my question is: where are the soil and debris going? If they stop at 200 feet, would it mean they are really 400 feet deep and now filledl with 200 feet of soil from above?
How many sinkholes are they?
Are they being filled?
Are there people investigating them? As in looking at the bottom and seeing what is in there?

[Snowbird]

It looks like it was made from an underground vertical drilling machine.

[DonnaA]

Well I lived in Florida USA my whole life and there are a lot of sink holes there, (so much so you have to insure your home for them) none of them have ever been perfectly round like these supposed sink holes... This IMO is NOT a natural formation. I too would also like to see "inside" :)

[Wood]

The two sinkholes in a map (Guatemala 2007 and 2010): http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=sinkhole&sll=14.641389,-90.578156&sspn=0.313904,0.359459&ie=UTF8&ll=14.640061,-90.498505&spn=0.156953,0.114326&z=13

[Kulapops]

Sinkhole.

Why ?

Because that answer is the most boring.

K

[DonnaA]

The two sinkholes in a map (Guatemala 2007 and 2010): http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=sinkhole&sll=14.641389,-90.578156&sspn=0.313904,0.359459&ie=UTF8&ll=14.640061,-90.498505&spn=0.156953,0.114326&z=13

Now that is really interesting... right in line with each other... I wonder what is under the ground over there??? Have there been other sink holes? Thanks for the info!

[Kra]

We are all dying to know what's in there... to see some footage, but i don't think that's going to happen. In the news they say it's about 120 +/- feet deep (if i'm not mistaken). They haven't said anything about how they figured that and when. I think it's deeper than that.

http://www.worldinterestingfacts.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/most-amazing-hole-in-the-world-guatemala-sink-hole.jpg

http://www.nachi.org/images10/Guatemala-Sinkhole.jpg

http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/wp-content/guatemala-sink-hole.gif

[DonnaA]

Have you ever heard of the "Rods of God" space weapon? You can google it. I wonder if this may be the "testing" grounds for this weapon... sure would fit...

[Kra]

DonnaA this is not the only sinkhole in Guatemala. There is another one. Actualy the pictures posted in my previous post are from 2007 that's the 2007 sinkhole (i have confused the sinkholes).

This is the "latest" sinkhole:
http://www.geekosystem.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/sinkhole-aerial-guatemala.jpg

http://www.geekosystem.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/guatemala-sinkhole.jpg

[Kra]

I've heard about other sinkholes around the world and saw a few but those aren't like these from Guatemala. There is something with Guatemala...

[Rocky_Shorz]

keeping the distances the same, the 7th hole will be in what looks like a remote jungle area...

does anyone know if there are any ancient temples in that area?

[onawah]

They reported on CNN just now that the latest sinkhole in Guatalmala is real (not Photoshopped) and was caused by saturation from rain. They said that running water from an underground stream can be heard coming from the bottom.

[DonnaA]

According to what I know ALL sinkholes are caused by rain. The problem with these holes is they are too perfectly round... they looked cut out... this is not how nature works, at least not in my experience. We have running water all over the place underground. That is why people dig wells for water, so that makes perfect sense there would be water down there. :)

Rocky mentioned 7 holes? Where are the other ones? I just know of the 2...

[Northern Boy]

7 sinkholes...

or could it be the 7 seals slowly breaking...

I hardly think so

[Rocky_Shorz]

http://www.maya-archaeology.org/pre-Columbian_Mayan_archaeological_sites_Maya_ruins_archaeology_museums_El_Peten_Guatemala_Central_Ameri ca_ecology_national_parks/stelae_Group_Q.jpg



I mentioned 7 because of these, 7 pillars standing next to circles perfectly round like the 2 sinkholes...

This picture is looking at the 2nd one so I looked across the map positioning them like you see in this photo...

if a 3rd sinkhole happens maybe the Mayans knew of underground power centers that are slowly turning on as we approach the end of their calendar...

[Rocky_Shorz]

"It sounded like a bomb was dropping. Boom!" said Carlos Gutierrez, 58, of the crater, which measured 130 feet in diameter...


Neighbors said the ground had been shaking for weeks after a huge sewer pipe burst, making the ground underneath the houses unstable.

2007 Story Link (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2333586020070223)

[DonnaA]

Since when are sewer pipes buried 200 feet down?

Also, the first guy said it sounded like a bomb went off... that would IMO justify the weapon I mentioned earlier... maybe?

[Kulapops]

Amazing hole. it's just that... c''mon.. if it's a laser beam... why test it in the middle of Guatemala ?? You'd want to do it in a remote location with no publicity.

But it's a fascintating artefact. Wow.
It has the wow factor.

So does Everest.

K

[DonnaA]

Amazing hole. it's just that... c''mon.. if it's a laser beam... why test it in the middle of Guatemala ?? You'd want to do it in a remote location with no publicity

True... unless maybe you wanted to see how the public would react, or how they would try to explain it away? Possibly? :confused:

I don't believe it is a sinkhole. But that is just my opinion. :)

[cloud9]

I wonder what happened to the first one, Has it been filled already? I can't find pictures of the place and how it looks now.
I don't think they did research on the first one but now being 2 of them it would be well worth it for some university or independent group to take a closer look.

[Kulapops]

Donna A.... Spiral over Norway.. Sinkhole in Guatemala... Blue cheese in San Fransisco...

We have no way of knowing

So we can state humble opinions till the cows come home. What does that achieve?

From a pragmatic point of view, I think that the truth is always less interesting than the story... so a beam weapon = story for me. Bad drainage = truth.

K

[Humble Janitor]

I'm guessing this has to do with the hollow earth theory?

[Tamara]

I can't believe there has been little to no publicity on this - ARE PEOPLE BLIND? How many have seen this story on the news? Doesn't anyone care that a giant well made un-natural hole suddenly appeared in the earth?

Does anyone know if anyone else (whistleblowers, etc) have spoken out about this? I can't seem to find anything on Camelot about it, but maybe I'm missing something. Let's keep this thread updated if possible.

[cloud9]

I think it's just empty space underground as a cavern, not necessarily a sacred or mysterious place big enough for the 2 openings. Still the fact they are so perfect makes you wonder...

[pilotsimone]

This is an exciting and interesting thread! I like these.

[cloud9]

Hummingbird, could you please ask your relatives to find out a little more about what happened to the first hole? Is it still open? Closed? Was there any investigation at all? We don't have a way to know because it's not news anymore and we don't know people in Guatemala. Thanks.

[Rocky_Shorz]

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Mirny diamond mine, Siberia
Este impresionante agujero mide 525 metros de profundidad y tiene un diámetro superior a 1.200 metros. This stunning hole measures 525 meters deep and has a diameter greater than 1,200 meters. No en vano posee el título de mina abierta más grande del mundo. Not for nothing has the title of largest open mine in the world. No se puede sobrevolar el agujero debido a que los helicópteros pueden ser aspirados por él. You can not fly over the hole because the helicopters can be sucked by him. Para apreciar su magnitud, observa la flecha roja en la imagen de abajo; señala a un enorme camión. To appreciate its magnitude, observed the red arrow in the picture below, drawn to a huge truck.

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Great hole Kimberlay, South Africa

Probablemente la mayor excavación a mano (sin grandes máquinas) del mundo. Probably the biggest excavation by hand (without big machines) in the world. De esta mina, de 1.097 metros de profundidad, salieron cerca de 3 toneladas de diamantes antes de ser cerrada en 1914. This mine, 1,097 feet deep, left about 3 tons of diamonds before being closed in 1914. La cantidad de tierra que tuvieron que quitar los trabajadores se estima en unos 22'5 millones de toneladas. The amount of land they had to remove the workers is estimated at 22.5 million tonnes.

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Great Blue Hole, Belize

Situado a unos 96 km de Belice, en Centro América, este fenómeno geográfico es conocido como "agujero azul". Located about 96 km from Belize, Central America geographical phenomenon known as "blue hole." Hay agujeros azules por todo el mundo, pero ninguno tan imponente como este. There are blue holes around the world, but none as impressive as this. En la superficie, este agujero perfectamente circular tiene 402 metros de diámetro y su profundidad en el centro alcanza los 145 metros. On the surface, this perfectly circular hole is 402 meters in diameter and its depth in the middle reaches 145 meters.

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[Rocky_Shorz]

on May 22nd, 2010 a person wrote...


In February 2007 opened a large sink in a poor neighborhood in the northeast of Guatemala City, killing three people. El hundimiento fue 100,5 m (330 pies) de profundidad, y al parecer fue creado por el fluido de una alcantarilla disolviendo la roca debajo. The sinking was 100.5 m (330 ft) deep, and apparently was created by the fluid in a culvert beneath the rock dissolving. Como resultado, un millar de personas han sido evacuadas de la zona. As a result, a thousand people have been evacuated from the area. [20] El agujero del fregadero desde entonces ha sido mitigado y planes para desarrollar en el sitio se han propuesto. [20] The sink hole has since been mitigated and plans to develop the site have been proposed.

[Rocky_Shorz]

The hole 30 meters deep that had swallowed a three-story house in the Guatemalan capital may have been the result of an "undue burden" of water in the soil, caused by rains from the storm Agatha and sand of a volcanic eruption , authorities said.

El colapso del terreno, ocurrido el fin de semana en medio de la tormenta que dejó 156 muertos en el país, abrió un agujero de 21 metros de diámetro y 31 metros de profundidad en medio de la ciudad, pero no hubo víctimas porque la casa estaba deshabitada en ese momento. The collapse of the land, which occurred over the weekend amid the storm that left 156 dead in the country, opened a hole 21 meters in diameter and 31 meters deep in the middle of the city, but there were no casualties because the house was uninhabited at the time.

"Es posible que exista alguna conexión entre la excesiva recarga hidráulica del sistema de drenajes y el ingreso de arena volcánica" de la erupción del volcán Pacaya el jueves pasado, señaló la estatal Coordinadora Nacional para la Reducción de Desastres (Conred) en un comunicado. "There may be some connection between the excessive recharge water drainage system and the influx of volcanic sand" of the Pacaya volcano erupted last Thursday, said the state National Coordinator for Disaster Reduction (Conrad) in a statement.

Conred indicó que "la información disponible hasta el momento, no permite establecer la condición del sitio previo a la recarga de agua proveniente de la tormenta", debido a que aún hay mucha agua acumulada en el área. Conrad said: "The data available so far does not allow site condition prior to the recharge of water from the storm," because there are still plenty of water accumulated in the area.

La Conred, que investiga las causas del fenómeno, impuso una zona de restricción de 100 metros en el lugar y autorizó el ingreso a los sólos habitantes de casas vecinas que necesitan sacar bienes personales. The Conrad, which investigates the causes of the phenomenon, imposed a restriction zone of 100 meters in place and authorized the entry for the sole inhabitants of neighboring houses that need to take personal property.

"Esta investigación se realiza por medio de un radar de penetración terrestre. Se espera reconocer las condiciones del subsuelo, con énfasis en determinar la estabilidad del terreno y de esa manera confirmar la extensión de la zona preventiva", agregó el ente. "This research is performed by a ground penetrating radar. It is expected to recognize the ground conditions, with emphasis on determining the stability of the ground and thus confirm the extent of the defensive zone," the body.

Los geólogos también buscan determinar las condiciones en que se encuentra un colector de aguas servidas para establecer si es posible o no reconstruir en la zona. Geologists also sought to determine the conditions under which there is a sewage collector is possible to establish whether or not to rebuild in the area.

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The regions in Guatemala are in a "state of calamity" as was declared by President Colom after the Pacaya volcano, located some 40 kilometers south of Guatemala City, increase your activity. (Todos los enlaces llevan a artículos en español a menos que esté señalado de otra manera). (All links lead to articles in Spanish unless otherwise stated).

Ayer el volcán Pacaya incrementó su actividad después de un pequeño temblor; la llegada de una tormenta tropical en la cima de éste generó una peligrosa combinación de deslizamientos de agua, ceniza y piedras. Yesterday the Pacaya volcano increased its activity after a small earthquake, the arrival of a tropical storm on top of it generated a dangerous combination of water slides, ash and rocks. Hoy la situación es mucho más grave, puesto que los dos pequeños temblores, la tormenta tropical y la erupción del volcán afectan a gran parte de la población. Today the situation is much more serious, since the two small earthquakes, tropical storm and volcanic eruption affecting much of the population. Más de 30 diferentes accidentes de tránsito han sido causados por ceniza, baja visibilidad y lluvia, 3 personas están desaparecidas y una ha sido reportada muerta : el cuerpo de Aníbal Arcila, un camarógrafo que fue golpeado en su cabeza por una avalancha de escombros provenientes del volcán mientras reportaba en la explosión, fue encontrado mientras cibernautas sintonizaban los canales de video en línea . More than 30 different traffic accidents have been caused by ash, low visibility and rain, three people were missing and one was reported dead : the body of Anibal Arcila, a cameraman who was beaten on his head by an avalanche of debris from the Volcano as reported in the explosion, was found while surfers tuned video channels online . Otras veinte personas han sido reportadas como heridas, y localidades han sido evacuadas. Twenty other people have been reported injured, and villages have been evacuated.

La discusión sobre el desarrollo de los sucesos ha tenido lugar en blogs , twitter , identi.ca usando la etiqueta #pacaya, así como en un foro de música . The discussion on the development of events has taken place on blogs , twitter , identi.ca using the tag # pacaya, as well as a music forum . Ceniza cayendo del cielo no es algo extraño en el país, pero es la primera vez que sucede en Ciudad de Guatemala. Ash falling from the sky is not something strange in the country, but the first time this has happened in Guatemala City. El aeropuerto fue cerrado hasta el 31 de mayo, debido a la arena de volcán en el campo y la ceniza en el aire, posiblemente recordando a la gente las nubes de ceniza generadas por el volcán Eyjafjallajökull en Islandia, por la cual fue interrumpido el tráfico aéreo en Europa el mes pasado. The airport was closed until 31 May due to the sands in the field of volcano and ash in the air, possibly reminding people of the ash clouds generated by the Eyjafjallajökull volcano in Iceland, which was interrupted by traffic European air last month.

El volcán de Pacaya es un destino turístico popular [eng] y la gente camina al lado de las vertientes de lava asando malvaviscos y realizando excursiones en el área. The Pacaya volcano is a popular tourist destination [eng] and people walk next to the lava slopes of roasting marshmallows and making excursions in the area. Entonces, ¿Cómo luce ahora este incremento de la actividad volcánica? Vivo en Guatemala reportó : So how it looks now this increase in volcanic activity? live in Guatemala reported :

Actualmente se producen explosiones cada segundo y alcanzan hasta 500 metros de altura sobre el cráter. Currently there are explosions every second and reach up to 500 meters above the crater. Las columnas de ceniza llegan hasta 1 mil 500 metros de altura y se dispersan hacia el Oeste y Sur-Oeste sobre las aldeas El Rodeo y El Patrocinio. Ash columns reaching up to 1000 500 meters in height and spread to the west and south-west on the villages of El Rodeo and El Patrocinio. También se reporta caída de ceniza en Amatitán, San Francisco de Sales, Calderas, Los Pocitos y San Vicente Pacaya. It is also reported ash fall in Amatitán, San Francisco de Sales, Boilers, and jogging and San Vicente Pacaya.

El Cuerpo de Bomberos de Guatemala reporta en su blog que muchos suburbios populares incluyendo Amatitlan, Villa Nueva y San Miguel Petapa están severamente afectados por la arena. The Fire Department of Guatemala reported on his blog that many popular suburbs including Amatitlan, Villa Nueva and San Miguel Petapa are severely affected by the sand. El blogger Chitiore provee fotos de la arena negra cayendo del cielo , videos y vínculos útiles para mantenerse informado de la situación en desarrollo. The blogger Chitiore provides pictures of the black sand falling from the sky , videos and useful links to stay informed of the situation developing.

Hasta ayer, la ceniza que cayó sobre la ciudad fue un evento pintoresco, aunque no es completamente extraño en Guatemala, como podemos ver en el siguiente video donde un joven permanece afuera mientras la ceniza seca bufa golpeando los techos y otras superficies. Until yesterday, the ash that fell on the city was a picturesque event, though not entirely surprising in Guatemala, as we see in the next video where a young man stands out as the dry ash comic hitting the ceiling and other surfaces.

original story (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&langpair=es|en&u=http://es.globalvoicesonline.org/2010/05/29/guatemala-volcan-pacaya-provoca-estado-de-calamidad-nacional/&prev=/translate_s%3Fhl%3Den%26q%3D%2BPacaya%2Bvolcano%26sl%3Den%26tl%3Des)

[Hummingbird]

They dont care about testing things in the public eye, they flew to "airplanes" into the to biggest most populated buildings in the country in the most watched city in the world. Im sure they have no worries about a country that they have devastated threw economic Imperialism. They also used haarp to cover there ass with the huge storm, so no one was outside. Our contacts there live in very small town in the jungle so they are kinda secluded and unplugged from the big citys' media etc.

Like i Mentioned on page 2 they are still Indigenous Mayan hiding in the jungle with very tall men, like many have said the mayan maybe had a connection to the draco, and could be were they got the advanced information of galactic cycles. If so there dna was most likely manipulated, which maybe explains the mass blood sacrifices.

So intern with the hollow earth theory, and maybe we are some of the only beings that live only on the surface of the planet. Who knows what or who is down there that the Illuminade are interested in..

Thanks every great input