Caught on Tape: Police Beat and Taser 'Gentle' Mentally-Ill Homeless Man to Death

[ktlight]

A shocking video has been released allegedly showing police officers tasering and beating a homeless man to death who they claim was resisting arrest.

Though the video is not clear, eye witnesses say the homeless man - Kelly Thomas, 37 - was unable to put up any resistance and was lying on the ground on his front when the attack took place on July 5.

His screams and cries for his father can be heard amid the tasering noises.'

For minutes after he was unconscious one officer jumped in the air and drop kneed him in the throat two times, also after this they turned him onto his stomach and smashed his face into the concrete repeatably, this is the worst police brutality i've ever heard of, complete and blatant murder. Also tazed 5 times to make him unconscious and hit in the head with the flashlights, these men in uniform may not be the norm but they should face jail time.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ljYNgLnpxM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ljYNgLnpxM&feature=player_embedded

[Lord Sidious]

Just remember folks, citizens arrest DOES not exclude the police or anyone else.
I have threatened police with that and it does NOT go down well as they know I am right.

[Ria]

I would like to know what would be the right wording to make citizens arrest. What would be the way to go about it.
So many Police seem to be out of there minds, to be behaving like this.
Is something else controlling there behavior?

[Lord Sidious]

I would like to know what would be the right wording to make citizens arrest. What would be the way to go about it.
So many Police seem to be out of there minds, to be behaving like this.
Is something else controlling there behavior?

The first thing you need to know is what you are arresting them for.
You would say to them ''I am placing you under arrest for ................''
You tap them on the shoulder to make physical contact, that way, if they try to leave, they are at least resisting, at worst, escaping lawful custody.
Also, anyone else interfering becomes an accesory.
Be aware that if you arrest anyone, they are in your custody until you can hand them over to a public officer and you are responsible for their wellbeing in all it's aspects.
I don't know how many people have ever done it, but I have never gotten past the threaten stage as cops can see I am not messing around and I have the physical ability to take them down.

[RMorgan]

What a bunch of cowards...They see an innocent man getting killed and do nothing.

[Maia Gabrial]

Murdering bastards....There had better be an investigation. Any word on this, ktlight?

[ktlight]

Murdering bastards....There had better be an investigation. Any word on this, ktlight?

Homeless man killed in Fullerton police brawl; witnesses sought


Investigators are seeking witnesses to a brawl involving Fullerton police that led to the death of a homeless man.

Kelly Thomas, 37, became involved in an altercation with officers (links to video that contains strong language) at the Fullerton bus depot July 5 that left him in critical condition on life-support.

He died five days later at the UC Irvine Medical Center in Orange.

Responding to reports of someone breaking into cars, officers had confronted Thomas, a transient well-known to merchants and officers in downtown Fullerton.

The Orange County Register reported that Thomas, who suffered from schizophrenia, began to struggle as officers tried to search him and that Thomas sustained head and neck injuries.

Thomas’ father, a retired Orange County sheriff’s deputy, has asserted that officers used excessive force to subdue his son, who was unarmed, slight and of medium height.
After seeing his son's injuries and talking with witnesses, Thomas told the Register his son "was brutally beaten to death."

"When I first walked into the hospital, I looked at what his mother described as my son ... I didn't recognize him," Thomas said. "This is cold-blooded, aggravated murder."

Thomas, citing witnesses, said officers hit his son with the butts of flashlights even after he stopped moving.

He said his son was probably off his medication and didn't understand officers' commands.

A spokesman for the Orange County Coroner's office declined to discuss the case but said an autopsy of Thomas had been completed and the results forwarded to investigators.

Witnesses are asked to call Stan Berry, an investigator with the Orange County district attorney’s office, at (714) 347-8813.

A department spokeswoman declined to release details about the case pending the completion of its investigation.

source
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/07/witnesses-sought-in-fullerton-police-altercation-that-left-man-dead.html

[Lord Sidious]

Might be time to raise the Bonnie Blue Flag again soon.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2F-drjUwNU&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjOIFGrYtaE&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbTjbLliL00

[king anthony]

Just remember folks, citizens arrest DOES not exclude the police or anyone else.
I have threatened police with that and it does NOT go down well as they know I am right.

With a truly free and sovereign human being there is no such thing as a “citizen’s arrest” – for this is still a part of the system that is. Self-reliance and accountability is reflected by those who are truly free – and for those who have worry of breaking laws, I say, turn the flag of the land upside down thus voiding any laws and authority.

[Lord Sidious]

Just remember folks, citizens arrest DOES not exclude the police or anyone else.
I have threatened police with that and it does NOT go down well as they know I am right.

With a truly free and sovereign human being there is no such thing as a “citizen’s arrest” – for this is still a part of the system that is. Self-reliance and accountability is reflected by those who are truly free – and for those who have worry of breaking laws, I say, turn the flag of the land upside down thus voiding any laws and authority.

As you would know, when it comes time for the courts, it is your strawman that performed the arrest and he is always part of the system as that is who created him.

[Marsila]

with all these videos and stories i'm starting to think "human" cloning has already been made, except they removed freewill and intelligence, and hired all these "hollow" human like creatures in the police! These are 100% not men, or anywhere near what a man is.

i hope they never ever get to have another restful night's sleep!!

[king anthony]

As you would know, when it comes time for the courts, it is your strawman that performed the arrest and he is always part of the system as that is who created him.

NO!

When it comes to the courts, the “strawman” is still part of the system and if people are truly free from it then it matters not of the “strawman”. People need to break away from this social conditioning/programming that has been imposed. The Common Law, “strawman” and such, has proven to fail and will only do harm to those who rely on it as they reclaim their freedom or are free.

The whole “strawman” movement is an illusion (something that I have never advocated myself) – I have never used such nonsensical thought, wording or theory when I have faced “them” – which I have done alone. I have simply not consented to jurisdiction – “period”. The “strawman” is still within “their” jurisdiction.

If one “walks away” (from the system), they walk away completely – not in part. In Natural Law there is no “strawman” – this is only found in Common Law, and Common Law (as you already know) is part of the system (under the “king’s rule”).

***Post addition***

I qualify myself as someone who had graduated law, practiced law (example, prosecuted) and have been speaking out against “them”. I stand alone while “the minions” of “the few” have my vehicle surrounded with weapons (wanting me to exit my vehicle, while others watched like cowards). I stood alone in tax court (not being my area of expertise) and challenged authority (governments, such as releasing sensitive information; during which time things occurred as they did with “V”). I stood alone when “they” publicly accused me of being a sexual offender (several times; the last time using my elementary teacher’s card to resolved this; however, not until my reputation was compromised). I stand alone when, they call me a murder suspect in public and in private say, “oops”. I say my words not as an armchair quarterback; rather from firsthand – and have survived not using Common Law “strawman” nonsense.

[Lord Sidious]

As you would know, when it comes time for the courts, it is your strawman that performed the arrest and he is always part of the system as that is who created him.

NO!

When it comes to the courts, the “strawman” is still part of the system and if people are truly free from it then it matters not of the “strawman”. People need to break away from this social conditioning/programming that has been imposed. The Common Law, “strawman” and such, has proven to fail and will only do harm to those who rely on it as they reclaim their freedom or are free.

The whole “strawman” movement is an illusion (something that I have never advocated myself) – I have never used such nonsensical thought, wording or theory when I have faced “them” – which I have done alone. I have simply not consented to jurisdiction – “period”. The “strawman” is still within “their” jurisdiction.

If one “walks away” (from the system), they walk away completely – not in part. In Natural Law there is no “strawman” – this is only found in Common Law, and Common Law (as you already know) is part of the system (under the “king’s rule”).

So you say no, then agree with me?
And it is no illusion, I have my own experience in that area.
But to each their own beliefs.

[king anthony]

But to each their own beliefs.

I say, I do not have the luxury of beliefs and no I have not agreed as you still remain within the system and promote it.

[Maia Gabrial]

Thank you, ktlight!

[Lord Sidious]

But to each their own beliefs.

I say, I do not have the luxury of beliefs and no I have not agreed as you still remain within the system and promote it.

So you say.
I don't ''promote'' the system, but what I try to do is show people who don't yet know how to detach from it how they can work within it.

[Lifebringer]

Re: Caught on Tape: Police Beat and Taser 'Gentle' Mentally-Ill Homeless Man to Death
I would like to know what would be the right wording to make citizens arrest. What would be the way to go about it.
So many Police seem to be out of there minds, to be behaving like this.
Is something else controlling there behavior?


Yes it is something else controlling their behavior. It is the comfort in knowing that that the fraternal order of Police will not turn in their brother, even if he/she is mentally disturbed, because they know this, they continue, but video and your own eyes don't lie. A lot of what happens in our neighborhoods the questions always are why did they have to "dog the human out?" Its even worse when it happens to a minority, if they protested everyone that was killed by police, they wouldn't have workers on the job, or business. IT WOULD SHUT COMPLETELY DOWN after 10 days.

[Snoweagle]

Wake up call everybody. Consider this comment:
Serves the son of a bitch right.
Who would want to live in a community that not only watches the attack, videos it, whilst discussing Las Vegas and then promotes fear and anguish within the rest of the population by bitching, whining and booing indignantly about lawful this and that. Did not the black community kick off a major riot in LA for something similar?
Why didn't the crowd interfere? Because they were saving their own backsides. Glad it wasn't me attitude. Lucky it was him tonight eh honey.
No damn wonder the US Constitution is almost worthless with armchair activists.

The US is pretty damn good at worshiping it's death machine boot stomping around the world on the slaughter of the British Empire and they complain when one man dies in despicable circumstances and they were watching. Please write to the Police Force and advise them in future would they conduct their business out of the public gaze as they do elsewhere.

I have to agree with Lord Anthony that people need to wake up and redress their priorities and focus on the "we" and not the "me". It was that poor bastards turn that night, whens your turn and remember, as you take that kicking we might watch it you tube too from the people watching yours.

[Jake]

Wake up call everybody. Consider this comment:
Serves the son of a bitch right.
Who would want to live in a community that not only watches the attack, videos it, whilst discussing Las Vegas and then promotes fear and anguish within the rest of the population by bitching, whining and booing indignantly about lawful this and that. Did not the black community kick off a major riot in LA for something similar?
Why didn't the crowd interfere? Because they were saving their own backsides. Glad it wasn't me attitude. Lucky it was him tonight eh honey.
No damn wonder the US Constitution is almost worthless with armchair activists.

The US is pretty damn good at worshiping it's death machine boot stomping around the world on the slaughter of the British Empire and they complain when one man dies in despicable circumstances and they were watching. Please write to the Police Force and advise them in future would they conduct their business out of the public gaze as they do elsewhere.

I have to agree with Lord Anthony that people need to wake up and redress their priorities and focus on the "we" and not the "me". It was that poor bastards turn that night, whens your turn and remember, as you take that kicking we might watch it you tube too from the people watching yours.

Snoweagle,,, I definately feel your passion. I am an American, and I loathe the police system. That does NOT mean that i step in when I see police brutality. Police in America carry guns,, AND THEY USE THEM!!! There would be nothing that I would rather see than these cops face the same punishment that they are dealing out on the streets. In America, if you step in between a cops bullets and an alleged criminal,,,, you will simply take the bullet, and you will NOT be a hero to anyone!!! I have been beaten by cops for no reason. I have family members that have been beaten by cops. The situation is not an open/shut ordeal. The communities in L.A. DID start riots, in an uproar over the Rodney King beating,,, it just led to more violence and arrests of folks in that community. And more divisiveness. Is your solution more violence??


Serves the son of a bitch right.

I have considered your comment,,, I think you a way off base. I, for one, loathe every incident of this kind. I have stepped in PLENTY of times to stop fights and beatings from occurring. Not with the cops... American cops WILL SHOOT YOU DEAD!!! Call me a coward if you want to... call me an armchair activist,,, call me a death machine worshiper... We as Americans have learned not to pick battles with cops in the streets. :) Best regards,,, Jake.

[Snoweagle]

To correct any misunderstanding; I used that statement to provoke comment, thereby promoting debate. I abhor the incident and feel immense sorrow for the loss of life.
Very soon, the incident is likely to be common place. It concerns me that the streets of the US are not teeming with crowds to stop this, and the other abuses, that fill our thoughts with fear and loathing everyday. After all, does Detroit not resemble Palestine these days. The surreptitious destruction of a city, not by a military but simply a debt to a bank.
Comparatively, are we not witnessing the collapse of the morality and conviction of a culture by the arguments we churn that prevents us from stopping these atrocities?

No I will never call anyone coward. Nor would I expect anyone to sacrifice their lives foolishly. The essence of my argument, or opinion, is unless the US stands in unity and collapses the existing financial structure that entraps it, humanity will fail, we lose. The Elite will take it all. The Queens own Corporatocracy of the British Empire has all but won the day even now. Coincident with the events of confusion around 2012.

So when I hear or see events as this mans death, the TSA or glorifying military news being considered daily normals for the populations consideration in the media and internet, it saddens and frustrates me. Nor do I insult your bravery or courage but you must agree this must stop. The Police are currently allowed, and apparently encouraged to run amok. With impunity. So if the US population are not going to pick battles on the streets, which I agree is wise, how do you propose to resolve this problem?

Here in Europe we have a similar state intrusion expanding its tentacles throughout all aspects of our lives too. The populations here are as confused as they have no voice. Those that stand up and make a difference also end up dead. Corruption is rife here too. People are doing the most mundane jobs, producing nothing, checking someone else's work in a merry go round of nothingness, all for a wage to keep earnings coming into the household. They will do anything to resolve their financial debts. Very soon, by Monday I hope, the global economy will collapse and the events in this you tube video we discuss here will pale into insignificance.

Two months ago I went to the bank to kick up a stink about bank charges and when my business was done with the Manageress, a fiery encounter she wouldn't forget, we chatted calmly about our families and futures and she suddenly burst into tears and leant across the table and in aspirated whisper blurted out "what is happening", "what can we do" and a series of other questions. Everybody is frightened. She and other bank staff were terrified for themselves and families.

So again returning to topic, how far does this go? It doesn't matter how brave you, "as an individual", are. When will our communities unite again? How many must die before that happens?

A major problem Project Avalon has with this wonderful forum is that it breeds confusion. Each of us seek our most precious understanding of our consciousness within the "me", yet the machinations of the Elite are embarking on the slaughter of the "we". A paradox or dichotomy? I don't give a damn! I would rather see and participate within a movement that reestablishes our disappearing humanity. This is what drives my passion.

So Jake, no offense, but I am not off base. If the US cops are able to shoot innocent, unarmed bystanders that voice their opinion that isn't the cops fault, it's every US citizens fault for allowing the degradation of your law enforcement. Yes, we have it here too though not at the limit you experience in the US. It must change and we must find a way to make that happen.

[Jake]

To correct any misunderstanding; I used that statement to provoke comment, thereby promoting debate. I abhor the incident and feel immense sorrow for the loss of life.
Very soon, the incident is likely to be common place. It concerns me that the streets of the US are not teeming with crowds to stop this, and the other abuses, that fill our thoughts with fear and loathing everyday. After all, does Detroit not resemble Palestine these days. The surreptitious destruction of a city, not by a military but simply a debt to a bank.
Comparatively, are we not witnessing the collapse of the morality and conviction of a culture by the arguments we churn that prevents us from stopping these atrocities?

No I will never call anyone coward. Nor would I expect anyone to sacrifice their lives foolishly. The essence of my argument, or opinion, is unless the US stands in unity and collapses the existing financial structure that entraps it, humanity will fail, we lose. The Elite will take it all. The Queens own Corporatocracy of the British Empire has all but won the day even now. Coincident with the events of confusion around 2012.

So when I hear or see events as this mans death, the TSA or glorifying military news being considered daily normals for the populations consideration in the media and internet, it saddens and frustrates me. Nor do I insult your bravery or courage but you must agree this must stop. The Police are currently allowed, and apparently encouraged to run amok. With impunity. So if the US population are not going to pick battles on the streets, which I agree is wise, how do you propose to resolve this problem?

Here in Europe we have a similar state intrusion expanding its tentacles throughout all aspects of our lives too. The populations here are as confused as they have no voice. Those that stand up and make a difference also end up dead. Corruption is rife here too. People are doing the most mundane jobs, producing nothing, checking someone else's work in a merry go round of nothingness, all for a wage to keep earnings coming into the household. They will do anything to resolve their financial debts. Very soon, by Monday I hope, the global economy will collapse and the events in this you tube video we discuss here will pale into insignificance.

Two months ago I went to the bank to kick up a stink about bank charges and when my business was done with the Manageress, a fiery encounter she wouldn't forget, we chatted calmly about our families and futures and she suddenly burst into tears and leant across the table and in aspirated whisper blurted out "what is happening", "what can we do" and a series of other questions. Everybody is frightened. She and other bank staff were terrified for themselves and families.

So again returning to topic, how far does this go? It doesn't matter how brave you, "as an individual", are. When will our communities unite again? How many must die before that happens?

A major problem Project Avalon has with this wonderful forum is that it breeds confusion. Each of us seek our most precious understanding of our consciousness within the "me", yet the machinations of the Elite are embarking on the slaughter of the "we". A paradox or dichotomy? I don't give a damn! I would rather see and participate within a movement that reestablishes our disappearing humanity. This is what drives my passion.

So Jake, no offense, but I am not off base. If the US cops are able to shoot innocent, unarmed bystanders that voice their opinion that isn't the cops fault, it's every US citizens fault for allowing the degradation of your law enforcement. Yes, we have it here too though not at the limit you experience in the US. It must change and we must find a way to make that happen.


If the US cops are able to shoot innocent, unarmed bystanders that voice their opinion that isn't the cops fault,

?????????????

I absolutely disagree. For the sake of debate,, let me flip that logic on you,,, Could you not say that any atrocity done by the US the fault of the victimized country based on the fact that they 'let' it happen?? I CERTAINLY DO NOT THINK SO. I agree with you on the 'us' vs 'me' school of thought. But I do NOT take fault for these criminals with badges abusing people on the streets. That is a bit silly... ;) IMHO...

perhaps I am missing something... please explain it to me. :)

[Calz]

I will throw out a bone ... not in defense of those that abuse powers.

We have heard from some over the years that as we get into "end of the cycle" times people will start to go "crazy".

Well ... the "earth changes", in the opinion of some, are due to changes in magnetism. Magnetic pole is moving faster and faster. Magnetosphere has weakened significantly.

That effects people's brains as well.

We are seeing stories like this more and more frequently now. Police often at the center but even TSA agents throwing a woman into a wall etc etc.

Something to consider???

[Davidallany]

So you say no, then agree with me?
Most interesting, isn't it? how would you deal with that?
It's like saying No, yes.

[Referee]

I am deeply saddened by this video. I live here and we can not get fair and just oversight over these officers. This is not the America I grew up in anymore.

[SavannahSkye]

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Caught on tape: Police beat and taser 'gentle' mentally-ill homeless man to death

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019225/Kelly-Thomas-Police-beat-taser-gentle-mentally-ill-homeless-man-death.html#ixzz1TfL1dQBB

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/07/27/article-2019225-0D2F8E7E00000578-169_468x286.jpg

A shocking video has been released allegedly showing police officers tasering and beating a homeless man to death who they claim was resisting arrest.
Though the video is not clear, eye witnesses say the homeless man - Kelly Thomas, 37 - was unable to put up any resistance and was lying on the ground on his front when the attack took place on July 5.
His screams and cries for his father can be heard amid the tasering noises.
The video was shot by a student in Fullerton, California. Kelly Thomas was beaten so badly he died in hospital several days later.
According to Gawker, Thomas - who suffered from schizophrenia - caught the attention of the police after someone reported that a burglar was breaking into cars parked near a Fullerton bus station.
When officers approached Thomas in the depot parking lot and tried to arrest him, he resisted.
After that reports diverge.
Police will not issue a statement saying the issue is under investigation but they did say that six officers were involved and two 'suffered broken bones in the fight'.
However, they recently retracted that statement saying that it was only 'soft tissue damage'.

Eye witnesses at the scene claim the six officers tasered him five times and beat him beyond recognition, which the disturbing photo of him in hospital shows.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019225/Kelly-Thomas-Police-beat-taser-gentle-mentally-ill-homeless-man-death.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/07/27/article-2019225-0D2FB9E800000578-142_468x286.jpg



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ljYNgLnpxM

Follow the Kelly Thomas story here: http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/tag/kelly-thomas-beating/


Im sickened to the core by this incident, protect and serve?
This was MURDER!
God bless this poor poor man  

[SavannahSkye]

One of the things that got to me about this incident is the lack of media attention across the pond, it was reported by a British paper, and judging from the lack of discussion on other boards I use, I guess TPTB want to keep it that way. This happened on the 6th of July, over 3 weeks ago and its just trickling into the MMS

Hopefully its now getting out there, the FBI are investigating, I only hope they will listen to the witnesses and bring this poor mans killers to justice. (excuse me while I sit and ponder that...do I think there will be a fair investigation? Sadly no I dont)

You know last weekend, we buried one of our young men in the small town I live in, his death was drugs related, many people dont have sympathy because of this, but still a young man person died, his family and friends still grieved.
This young man had lots of friends his own age, many who hadnt encountered death so close, many where inconsolable at his funeral.
One of his friends lives across from me, and the night of the funeral, he flipped. He was hysterical in the street, screaming and crying, and his girlfriend was trying to guide him home. Anyhoo he woke me up, so I went outside to see if I could help him, as I got to him, his parents came, and we helped him home. As they were getting him through the garden gate, the police arrived. I turned and crossed the road, leaving the police to help mum and dad in with him.
The next thing, the police had dragged him through the gate, and as I turned I saw two officers take him to the floor, once down one pushed his knee into the boys back, and pulled his arm back to cuff him. By now the girlfriend was hysterical, mum and dad too. I crossed back and asked the officers why they were doing this, and one of them told me to 'F*UCK off home' As you can imagine I was gobsmacked!
Two more officers pulled up and assisted getting this young man (18) up, I once again turned to go back home, as I did I turned my head to say something to his mum, he was still screaming and shouting, and one officer punched him in the face so hard his feet left the ground and he fell. A female officer then put her knee in his back and pulled his arms so far back I thought they would break, girlfriends hysterical, mum too, dads outraged, but still in his garden, the officers, were on the pathway.
Instinct kicked in, I ran over and screamed at the woman officer to ease back on his arms, and get off him, three police vans pull up.

One male officer got his baton out, and pushed in in my face and told me to get in my house, as he was telling me this, he was pushing me backwards, 4 times he put his hands on me, 4 times he pushed that stick in my face.

Two officers grabbed the girlfriend, literally took her off her feet and forced her face down over the bonnet of a patrol car, they used that much force they broke her nose and fractured her cheek bone.

I told them I was going to support any complaint his or her parents filed and would file my own for assault, the same guy pushing me laughed in my face and said' you think they will believe a drunken junkie over us?'
When I told him, I was in fact a nurse, who was sleeping in my bed at the time the incident started his attitude changed, he tried to insult my intelligence by saying the lad was resisting arrest, and he thought I was drug crazed and feared for his safety...BS!

The outcome was the lad suffered a broken leg and arm, fractured wrist on other arm, extensive cuts and bruising to his back and torso. Black eyes, shattered cheekbone (I assume as a result of the punch) The girlfriend suffered the injuries I mentioned

All in all there were 12 police officers at the scene, and I swear it was like watching a mob attacking, only this time the police were the mob. I compared this incident with some of the videos you see of American police on you tube!!

I was visited by senior officers the next day, who couldnt do enough for me, the apologies however did not come from the officer who put his hands on me. Needless to say all 3 complaints were filed, regardless of the senior staff trying to butter me up.

[ktlight]

I was visited by senior officers the next day, who couldnt do enough for me, the apologies however did not come from the officer who put his hands on me. Needless to say all 3 complaints were filed, regardless of the senior staff trying to butter me up.

So sorry, Savannahskye, about the ordeal you went through. I wish you every success in bringing those thugs to justice.

[grapevine]

As far as I am aware no police officer has been disciplined for the murder of Jean Charles Menezes in 2005, when 8 bullets were pumped at very short range into his head in mistaken identity for a terrorist in UK. Seems to be a one way closed shop ............

[ktlight]

As far as I am aware no police officer has been disciplined for the murder of Jean Charles Menezes in 2005, when 8 bullets were pumped at very short range into his head in mistaken identity for a terrorist in UK. Seems to be a one way closed shop ............

Menezes picture 'was manipulated'

Police have been accused of manipulating a photo of Jean Charles de Menezes so it could be compared to that of one of the 21/7 bomb plotters.
The image had been "stretched and sized" to form a composite image of the Brazilian and Hussain Osman to show the jury, prosecutors told the Old Bailey.

Mr de Menezes was shot dead after being wrongly identified as one of the men who targeted London's transport system.

The Metropolitan Police denies breaking health and safety laws.

Mr de Menezes, 27, was shot seven times in the head on a train at Stockwell Tube station on 22 July 2005, after being wrongly identified as Osman.

The Met Police said the composite picture was created to illustrate the difficulties officers would have had in differentiating between the two men.

'Serious allegation'

But Clare Montgomery QC, prosecuting, told the court it had been altered "by either stretching or resizing so the face ceases to have its correct proportions".


Making the image brighter has changed the image
Michael George, forensics consultant
Forensics consultant Michael George told the court that the police composite appeared to have a "greater definition" than the two images used to produce it.

He produced an alternative composite, which was shown to the jury, in which the two faces had different skin tones and their mouths and noses were not aligned.

Ronald Thwaites QC, defending, asked Mr George whether there had been any manipulation "of the primary features of the face".

Mr George replied: "I don't believe there has been any... but making the image brighter has changed the image."

The court heard the composite was compiled using a 2001 identity card photograph of Mr de Menezes and a photo of Osman taken by police in Rome, where he was arrested.

The judge, Mr Justice Henriques, told the jury that a "serious allegation has been made that a picture has been manipulated so as to mislead".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7048756.stm

[SavannahSkye]

I was visited by senior officers the next day, who couldnt do enough for me, the apologies however did not come from the officer who put his hands on me. Needless to say all 3 complaints were filed, regardless of the senior staff trying to butter me up.

So sorry, Savannahskye, about the ordeal you went through. I wish you every success in bringing those thugs to justice.

What makes my blood boil is I worked in a place where we patch these victims up, (A&E) I saw first hand the total disregard of peoples rights by the police, I saw the damage they do to people, I also on occasion have seen them laughing at, and mocking their victims. I have on occasion been reprimanded for defending the victims, and giving the police officers doing the mocking a piece of my mind!
So one sided were my seniors in the Trust I worked for, I resigned and am now retraining as a pediatric nurse, that way unless I have a safe guarding issue regarding a child, I dont have to have contact with any police officer in my line of work.

[ktlight]

I was visited by senior officers the next day, who couldnt do enough for me, the apologies however did not come from the officer who put his hands on me. Needless to say all 3 complaints were filed, regardless of the senior staff trying to butter me up.

So sorry, Savannahskye, about the ordeal you went through. I wish you every success in bringing those thugs to justice.

What makes my blood boil is I worked in a place where we patch these victims up, (A&E) I saw first hand the total disregard of peoples rights by the police, I saw the damage they do to people, I also on occasion have seen them laughing at, and mocking their victims. I have on occasion been reprimanded for defending the victims, and giving the police officers doing the mocking a piece of my mind!
So one sided were my seniors in the Trust I worked for, I resigned and am now retraining as a pediatric nurse, that way unless I have a safe guarding issue regarding a child, I dont have to have contact with any police officer in my line of work.

Savannahskye, just be aware that NHS management is Common Purpose trained.

[SavannahSkye]

So true...so bloody true ktlight.

[Lord Sidious]

One of the things that got to me about this incident is the lack of media attention across the pond, it was reported by a British paper, and judging from the lack of discussion on other boards I use, I guess TPTB want to keep it that way. This happened on the 6th of July, over 3 weeks ago and its just trickling into the MMS

Hopefully its now getting out there, the FBI are investigating, I only hope they will listen to the witnesses and bring this poor mans killers to justice. (excuse me while I sit and ponder that...do I think there will be a fair investigation? Sadly no I dont)

You know last weekend, we buried one of our young men in the small town I live in, his death was drugs related, many people dont have sympathy because of this, but still a young man person died, his family and friends still grieved.
This young man had lots of friends his own age, many who hadnt encountered death so close, many where inconsolable at his funeral.
One of his friends lives across from me, and the night of the funeral, he flipped. He was hysterical in the street, screaming and crying, and his girlfriend was trying to guide him home. Anyhoo he woke me up, so I went outside to see if I could help him, as I got to him, his parents came, and we helped him home. As they were getting him through the garden gate, the police arrived. I turned and crossed the road, leaving the police to help mum and dad in with him.
The next thing, the police had dragged him through the gate, and as I turned I saw two officers take him to the floor, once down one pushed his knee into the boys back, and pulled his arm back to cuff him. By now the girlfriend was hysterical, mum and dad too. I crossed back and asked the officers why they were doing this, and one of them told me to 'F*UCK off home' As you can imagine I was gobsmacked!
Two more officers pulled up and assisted getting this young man (18) up, I once again turned to go back home, as I did I turned my head to say something to his mum, he was still screaming and shouting, and one officer punched him in the face so hard his feet left the ground and he fell. A female officer then put her knee in his back and pulled his arms so far back I thought they would break, girlfriends hysterical, mum too, dads outraged, but still in his garden, the officers, were on the pathway.
Instinct kicked in, I ran over and screamed at the woman officer to ease back on his arms, and get off him, three police vans pull up.

One male officer got his baton out, and pushed in in my face and told me to get in my house, as he was telling me this, he was pushing me backwards, 4 times he put his hands on me, 4 times he pushed that stick in my face.

Two officers grabbed the girlfriend, literally took her off her feet and forced her face down over the bonnet of a patrol car, they used that much force they broke her nose and fractured her cheek bone.

I told them I was going to support any complaint his or her parents filed and would file my own for assault, the same guy pushing me laughed in my face and said' you think they will believe a drunken junkie over us?'
When I told him, I was in fact a nurse, who was sleeping in my bed at the time the incident started his attitude changed, he tried to insult my intelligence by saying the lad was resisting arrest, and he thought I was drug crazed and feared for his safety...BS!

The outcome was the lad suffered a broken leg and arm, fractured wrist on other arm, extensive cuts and bruising to his back and torso. Black eyes, shattered cheekbone (I assume as a result of the punch) The girlfriend suffered the injuries I mentioned

All in all there were 12 police officers at the scene, and I swear it was like watching a mob attacking, only this time the police were the mob. I compared this incident with some of the videos you see of American police on you tube!!

I was visited by senior officers the next day, who couldnt do enough for me, the apologies however did not come from the officer who put his hands on me. Needless to say all 3 complaints were filed, regardless of the senior staff trying to butter me up.

You know Savannah, they will get theirs, I can tell you.
You know how I know?
They sound very arrogant and very clumsy and both of those are achilles heels.
They will try that to the wrong individual one day, then they will get a taste for themselves.

[SavannahSkye]

Im sure they will Lord Sidious, til then Ill be the pain in the ass that stands up to them. ;)

[Snoweagle]

Re: Jake - "I absolutely disagree. For the sake of debate,, let me flip that logic on you,,, Could you not say that any atrocity done by the US the fault of the victimized country based on the fact that they 'let' it happen?? I CERTAINLY DO NOT THINK SO. I agree with you on the 'us' vs 'me' school of thought. But I do NOT take fault for these criminals with badges abusing people on the streets. That is a bit silly... "

Therein lies the problem. How we perceive our individual responsibilities. Like you and most other honest, fair minded people we have conducted our lives in the belief we were all working for the greater good. Only recently, have we "become aware" of the debacle of politics and the integrated financial custodians that truly govern us. Our emerging awakening, for which I am truly grateful, of mankind's ancestry delights me enormously, whilst a comparison of our present pre-disaster realisation mimics many cataclysms of mankinds past.

Now for either of us, or any of us, to step back and state, "it's not my fault" is clearly a misnomer. Whilst it is true, I agree, that we have been hoodwinked by secrecy, we must acknowledge that no single individual can be held to blame. ie punishing a "Hitler" figure after an atrocity does not absolve all others.
We collectively, accepted the "churn" of political guidance in the selection of our authority figures, yet most of us were more focused on our daily lives and chose to leave that type of shenanigans to the simpletons that enjoyed that lifestyle. We were concerned naturally that the candidates we selected, acted in the manner and purpose we selected them for. Whilst we squirmed from time to time at change, for the larger part, most accepted, arguably, as we couldn't be arsed making a fuss. We went with consensus.

Now our world is facing annihilation. Across every sphere of known humanity. We must take individual responsibility for each and every atrocity that occurs, for failure to do so implies adjoinment to any wrong doing. It is inescapable. Inseparable. Hiding in shadows, denying accountability or covering debate with clever diatribe does not provide absolution.

Separate note: My research included and not limited to "The Encyclopaedia of Genocide". By working back through the "LIES" that exists between front and back cover and working through each country as listed at the United Nations, cross referencing corporate growth and chronology of markets is most enlightening, especially to OUR collective naivety.

So yes, I feel guilty as hell that an American citizen was beaten to death by societies protectors in front of passive obedient crowds. Ashamed. Disgusted. But that's me. I will not challenge another's conviction though I have an opinion, previously stated, that WE are responsible. We have allowed our cultures to degenerate by authorising the greedy to act in our name. It's fact. Am only stating the obvious.

Until we chose collectively to coalesce our thoughts away from denial then this will continue unabated. History reeks of examples.
When the badge of authority knocks on your door, will you consider my comments "silly".

[Jake]

Re: Jake - "I absolutely disagree. For the sake of debate,, let me flip that logic on you,,, Could you not say that any atrocity done by the US the fault of the victimized country based on the fact that they 'let' it happen?? I CERTAINLY DO NOT THINK SO. I agree with you on the 'us' vs 'me' school of thought. But I do NOT take fault for these criminals with badges abusing people on the streets. That is a bit silly... "

Therein lies the problem. How we perceive our individual responsibilities. Like you and most other honest, fair minded people we have conducted our lives in the belief we were all working for the greater good. Only recently, have we "become aware" of the debacle of politics and the integrated financial custodians that truly govern us. Our emerging awakening, for which I am truly grateful, of mankind's ancestry delights me enormously, whilst a comparison of our present pre-disaster realisation mimics many cataclysms of mankinds past.

Now for either of us, or any of us, to step back and state, "it's not my fault" is clearly a misnomer. Whilst it is true, I agree, that we have been hoodwinked by secrecy, we must acknowledge that no single individual can be held to blame. ie punishing a "Hitler" figure after an atrocity does not absolve all others.
We collectively, accepted the "churn" of political guidance in the selection of our authority figures, yet most of us were more focused on our daily lives and chose to leave that type of shenanigans to the simpletons that enjoyed that lifestyle. We were concerned naturally that the candidates we selected, acted in the manner and purpose we selected them for. Whilst we squirmed from time to time at change, for the larger part, most accepted, arguably, as we couldn't be arsed making a fuss. We went with consensus.

Now our world is facing annihilation. Across every sphere of known humanity. We must take individual responsibility for each and every atrocity that occurs, for failure to do so implies adjoinment to any wrong doing. It is inescapable. Inseparable. Hiding in shadows, denying accountability or covering debate with clever diatribe does not provide absolution.

Separate note: My research included and not limited to "The Encyclopaedia of Genocide". By working back through the "LIES" that exists between front and back cover and working through each country as listed at the United Nations, cross referencing corporate growth and chronology of markets is most enlightening, especially to OUR collective naivety.

So yes, I feel guilty as hell that an American citizen was beaten to death by societies protectors in front of passive obedient crowds. Ashamed. Disgusted. But that's me. I will not challenge another's conviction though I have an opinion, previously stated, that WE are responsible. We have allowed our cultures to degenerate by authorising the greedy to act in our name. It's fact. Am only stating the obvious.

Until we chose collectively to coalesce our thoughts away from denial then this will continue unabated. History reeks of examples.
When the badge of authority knocks on your door, will you consider my comments "silly".

I have to step back for a moment. Your are a poet. Thank you. I see, now, where we disagree. I have to admit, I feel guilty as hell too. Not literally guilty for a murder, but guilty and ashamed and disgusted and i lament any violence like this. In an overall sense, yes i feel guilty. But I still say, moreover,,, especially in the context of personal responsibility,,, WE DO NOT DOWNPLAY THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF THOSE POLICE AND THEIR DECISIONS TO MURDER.

I do get what you are saying. Thank you for the eloquent response. Jake.

P.S.
When the badge of authority knocks on your door, will you consider my comments "silly".

(I am Cherokee,,, please do not assume that I do not know about the badge of authority coming and knocking! ;)) You are awesome, Snoweagle.

[king anthony]

So you say. I don't ''promote'' the system, but what I try to do is show people who don't yet know how to detach from it how they can work within it.

My apologies for the wind background noise and the video quality - there was no wind that I noticed, when I made the recoding and I did not hear it until long after.

I briefly discuss, as can be seen/heard by my “speed-talking”, as I had much to say in under six minute, the "freedom movement" and a citizens arrest; which was inspired by a discussion in a thread.

I point out how people have attempted to benefit from manipulating "the system" from within and how and why doing this is failing. Using the citizen's arrest example, I go through each step of the process one would be faced with from the conception of such arrest (making sure it is done properly) / laying of a charge, to what could happen when it is over with.

Of course, there have been cases where the system will aid those (that are not police) who have made such arrest and laid a charge; however, the system will do so if it is in the best interest of the system and the case does not undermine the system.

Of course, there are always exceptions, that is until "the few" and "their" minions work out the loopholes in "their" system. Understand this, that anyone can argue but not everyone can be persuasive; and yes, most will argue based on ego (which is their emotion) and fail - and when these people fail they either point fingers or say "you're entitled to...".

It can almost be understood, and I emphasize "almost", how people can say, "you're entitled to..." when it comes to the discussion of such topics of UFOs, "those others" (a.k.a. ETs) and the purpose of human beings. However, to impose such statement towards common knowledge, based on common fact, regarding common civilization is nothing more then the reflection of one's ego being bruised.

The bottom-line being, one cannot have their cake and eat it; in other words, one cannot say "I am sovereign" and then say (to the system they do not wish to be a part of) "help me, for I'm an idiot". Why is it so difficult for people to accept the words of another; as if to imply it is impossible for someone to actually know something, have understanding of it and be willing to share it!?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PAGfFLROnI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PAGfFLROnI

I briefly expand on and discuss the "freedom movement" by addressing the "strawman". For clarity, the "strawman" is a real thing, or can be if/when one accepts it... by choice. I mention how these types of arguments have failed as no one has been successful, which I know some may dispute.

Yes, there are hidden video recordings of what appears to be success in courts with people claiming authority over the courts after a judge "abandons" the courtroom. As well, there are other videos of people having liens against the government, while not truly giving an account of what happened afterwards. For most of these cases, if not all, have not had accurate "follow ups".

A good example is the person who had been recording police and then trying to manipulate the system (from within) as a defense; what truly happens to those who make an attempt to manipulate the system from within is found with the said person who (recently) went to jail for such recording and such defenses. Many other cases of the courts not accepting Common Law arguments exist and such are on an up rise - what I have been saying all along is now a reality more and more.

Yes, I have discussed, or mentioned Common Law and done so because most wanted to use that. I will point out that I always stated I promote Natural Law and not the bastardized version of it. People cannot see how they are contributing to the demise of freedom and how things are (and will be) by discussing and using the system against itself.

Take for example the small population of those who believe in censorship. Focusing on the Christian community as an example, they were (are) the first to point their fingers and say, "that is wrong", "that should not be" and "no more, for we are looking after the best interest of all people" - these same people had censored themselves right out of what is acceptable (example, no more "Lord's Prayer"). This also opened the door to how things are now, for now it is "do what thou wilt" as "everyone is entitled to...".

One should note my point on how "the system" (belonging to "the few") has had time to adjust and amend "their" "laws" to resolve any such loops holes - so before anyone starts by posting videos (of what others appear to have done) make note that the aftermath of such "minor stories" are truly unknown.

As with such case-law as, "First National Bank of Montgomery v. Jerome Daly" (when a bank attempted to foreclose on a defaulted mortgage), "the system" had amended itself since so that such arguments cannot be used again. For as with any real living thing, survival (self-preservation) became paramount with the artificial living thing known as "corporation"; thus, "the few" have made it difficult, if not impossible, to use such arguments again.

Who controls "the system"!? Better yet, with whom does "the system" belong!? I say, people are free to do what they want; however, one should make an informed decision - again, making an informed decision is a choice and one cannot make such decision without fact(s).

I conclude the video with an example from a movie, where one of the main female characters is the voice of reason, based on knowledge and understanding – most of the “town’s folk” ignored her. In the movie, most ignore her firsthand experience and relied on what they "believed" - all belief is hope that one is correct; hope is the impossibility of reason.

I close off by pointing out how the ego of the masses has been (somewhat) satisfied with "do what thou wilt" and do not even realize it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCpZjGah7j8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCpZjGah7j8

[Lord Sidious]

Citizens arrest means you take them and hand them to the police, you don't prosecute them yourselves. In a lot of places, there is no ability to have private criminal prosecutions.
The crown doesn't traditionally seek costs in criminal prosecutions.
One CAN say they are sovereign and seek help, does anyone alive know it all?
And I hear you saying about being a part of the system that people are claiming they aren't a part of. I never connected those two things, you did.

[king anthony]

Citizens arrest means you take them and hand them to the police... ...I never connected those two things, you did.

I say, with some respect, that your own words are divided; there are those who know and those who think they do – and those who think they do speak based on ego while amazing the most with nonsense.

[Lord Sidious]

Citizens arrest means you take them and hand them to the police... ...I never connected those two things, you did.

I say, with some respect, that your own words are divided; there are those who know and those who think they do – and those who think they do speak based on ego while amazing the most with nonsense.

By all means, drop the cryptology and speak straight, tell me what you mean, so I don't have to run the posts through the CIA central database so I know what you are on about. :p
Then we can talk.

[king anthony]

By all means, drop the cryptology and speak straight, tell me what you mean, so I don't have to run the posts through the CIA central database so I know what you are on about.

I say, my words are clear; anytime one’s ego has been “touched”, fingers point - followed by negative comments in an attempt to divert and make one’s problem another’s. I say again (as I have posted these words before); some have understanding of my words and some do not – am I responsible for either!?

Your ego based words have a tone, which is disrespectful; you could have simply asked for clarification. You make claim against me, yet are one who makes vague words leading people along. You post about anger/forgiveness in your “Judgment thread”, yet rather then turn a flag upside down you burn it – each act has a completely opposite meaning.

For clarity, my point being, your words are emotion based. I have not disrespected you.

[Marsila]

By all means, drop the cryptology and speak straight, tell me what you mean, so I don't have to run the posts through the CIA central database so I know what you are on about.

I say, my words are clear; anytime one’s ego has been “touched”, fingers point - followed by negative comments in an attempt to divert and make one’s problem another’s. I say again (as I have posted these words before); some have understanding of my words and some do not – am I responsible for either!?

Your ego based words have a tone, which is disrespectful; you could have simply asked for clarification. You make claim against me, yet are one who makes vague words leading people along. You post about anger/forgiveness in your “Judgment thread”, yet rather then turn a flag upside down you burn it – each act has a completely opposite meaning.

For clarity, my point being, your words are emotion based. I have not disrespected you.

you are two people on the same side with two very different minds, and "style" of expressing yourselves, because of the way your lives have played out so far. i don't think anyone is insulting anyone tbh, and even if someone think they are being "disrespected" on the interent it is much better to think otherwise...ie always think the best of a situation rather than the worst and life will look better. anyway i think i will be quite here.

but i appreciate both KA's videos and do take note of some of LS's law notes, there is no one clear way on how to deal with everything.

[Lord Sidious]

By all means, drop the cryptology and speak straight, tell me what you mean, so I don't have to run the posts through the CIA central database so I know what you are on about.

I say, my words are clear; anytime one’s ego has been “touched”, fingers point - followed by negative comments in an attempt to divert and make one’s problem another’s. I say again (as I have posted these words before); some have understanding of my words and some do not – am I responsible for either!?

Your ego based words have a tone, which is disrespectful; you could have simply asked for clarification. You make claim against me, yet are one who makes vague words leading people along. You post about anger/forgiveness in your “Judgment thread”, yet rather then turn a flag upside down you burn it – each act has a completely opposite meaning.

For clarity, my point being, your words are emotion based. I have not disrespected you.

Keep ya hair on kingnugget, you will look funny without it.
I was just messing with you as I always do.
Listen, you attributed things to me in your vid that I didn't say, then post more stuff here.
And no, you didn't disrespect me.
My post wasn't meant in that vein either, hence this guy. :p
I am still struggling with the judgement thing, I haven't mastered it yet.
You will notice I didn't claim that I had.