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Krullenjongen
31st July 2011, 12:36
'No porn or prostitution': Islamic extremists set up Sharia law controlled zones in British cities
Islamic extremists have launched a poster campaign across the UK proclaiming areas where Sharia law enforcement zones have been set up.
Communities have been bombarded with the posters, which read: ‘You are entering a Sharia-controlled zone – Islamic rules enforced.’
The bright yellow messages daubed on bus stops and street lamps have already been seen across certain boroughs in London and order that in the ‘zone’ there should be ‘no gambling’, ‘no music or concerts’, ‘no porn or prostitution’, ‘no drugs or smoking’ and ‘no alcohol’.
Hate preacher Anjem Choudary has claimed responsibility for the scheme, saying he plans to flood specific Muslim and non-Muslim communities around the UK and ‘put the seeds down for an Islamic Emirate in the long term’.
In the past week, dozens of streets in the London boroughs of Waltham Forest, Tower Hamlets and Newham have been targeted, raising fears that local residents may be intimidated or threatened for flouting ‘Islamic rules’.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019547/Anjem-Choudary-Islamic-extremists-set-Sharia-law-zones-UK-cities.html
They keep telling me that Islam is a peaceful and tolerant religion.
How is it then possible that people who follow the islamic rules more strict are so intolerant?
Tony
31st July 2011, 12:51
I just wonder if someone is just stirring up trouble.
Of course if I were a conspiracy theorist, and tried to be funny, I'd blame Stevie Wonder.
...My Sharia Law.....?
Lord Sidious
31st July 2011, 12:58
How is part three of the abrahamic fable any different than the other two?
Flash
31st July 2011, 13:11
May be British will have to take the path of France and vote it illegal to have: women covered and any significant signs of religion in public areas forbidden. The sharia law is very very very tough on women. Women you will have to give away your freedom and become mere objects, like a piece of bread, to be consumed, chewed on, etc. Even Turkey as been trying to stay away from this, with sometimes quite a lot of difficulties.
Tarka the Duck
31st July 2011, 15:59
I'm not saying this isn't based on fact, but it is from the Daily Mail (a right wing tabloid, known as the home of the scare story;))...it's not a "newspaper" that is known for letting accuracy get in the way of a good story.
modwiz
31st July 2011, 16:38
I just wonder if someone is just stirring up trouble.
Of course if I were a conspiracy theorist, and tried to be funny, I'd blame Stevie Wonder.
...My Sharia Law.....?
There is no question that someone is trying to stir up trouble. Absolutely no question.
Besides, what do any of us know about Sharia law that we didn't learn from the zionews. Hide your children, no, hide your porn, the Sharaiiff is comin' to town. When do we stop being so easily manipulated into mind paralyzing hysteria.
Remember, our controlled news hates Muslims and is at war with them. Somebody lights a match and the fire department gets called. We need to get a grip on ourselves.
fathertedsmate
31st July 2011, 17:25
EDF last week,sharia law this week,divide and conquer, summers here,unemployment high, distractions required to implement more of the police state, the shhepl will fall for it,
TWINCANS
31st July 2011, 17:32
It struck me last week that one way to push back to these instigations is to, as the kids say, be random.
It's hard to control the unexpected.
Random anyone?
Lord Sidious
31st July 2011, 17:49
Let me ask you avalonuggets a question, why do you think ''they'' brought the extremists into our nations?
Answer me that, which you know the answer and you will see the game.
seko
31st July 2011, 18:34
Let me ask you avalonuggets a question, why do you think ''they'' brought the extremists into our nations?
Answer me that, which you know the answer and you will see the game.
divide and conquer
Lost Soul
31st July 2011, 18:54
Lord Sidious - same thing is happening in America.
Lord Sidious
31st July 2011, 19:37
Lord Sidious - same thing is happening in America.
It is happening in all western nations.
161803398
31st July 2011, 19:54
They did the same in Ireland long ago....the English people and the Irish got along so well that most of the English they sent over there became hibernicized. Then they found a group in Scotland whose personalities did not gel with the Irish. The rest is history.
Davidallany
1st August 2011, 03:34
'No porn or prostitution': Islamic extremists set up Sharia law controlled zones in British cities
How is part three of the abrahamic fable any different than the other two?
Guess who likes to keep prostitution and porn alive?
I think it's time for Hollywood's favorite movie.
Mi1ZNEjEarw
math330
1st August 2011, 13:04
I'm not saying this isn't based on fact, but it is from the Daily Mail (a right wing tabloid, known as the home of the scare story;))...it's not a "newspaper" that is known for letting accuracy get in the way of a good story.
Exactly.
The Daily Mail is known over here as a knee jerk, reactionary, racist and inflammatory piece of sh1t.
Take anything you read in there with a huge pinch of salt.
And this is coming from a former employee ;)
Lord Sidious
1st August 2011, 13:08
I'm not saying this isn't based on fact, but it is from the Daily Mail (a right wing tabloid, known as the home of the scare story;))...it's not a "newspaper" that is known for letting accuracy get in the way of a good story.
Exactly.
The Daily Mail is known over here as a knee jerk, reactionary, racist and inflammatory piece of sh1t.
Take anything you read in there with a huge pinch of salt.
And this is coming from a former employee ;)
So you think these pics are fake?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/07/27/article-2019547-0D076F0C00000578-230_468x334.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/07/27/article-2019547-0D076F9700000578-162_468x312.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/07/27/article-2019547-0D076F6F00000578-268_233x423.jpg
Maia Gabrial
1st August 2011, 13:24
Well, isn't that preacher special....
As long as they keep their sharia in their own communities and only enforce it for their own kind, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. Just keep it away from the non-Muslim communities.....
modwiz
1st August 2011, 14:06
I read another article on it that was level headed. It stated that these stickers are little more than defacing of property. The local politicians are having them removed as fast as they can. Quotes from wannabe Imam's declaring their intent to impose Sharia law are only heard because ziomedia makes sure you hear it. Without support of the media this would be a nutjob in basement full of followers indulging in the equivalent of a circle jerk.
This whole story is nothing more than the media creating a story, using pictures of a person defacing a lampost, that Sharia law is being declared in a neighborhood near you, against your will. Whippings, limb aputations and beheading are next. Fear the Muslim! Fear all Muslims! Boo!
This story has worked, as a few posters hear at enlightened Avalon have gotten a bit of a stir from it. I am sure it was even more effective 'out there' in the land of the somnabulists.
News Flash! All news is suspect and most of it is pure mind-farking fear swill for you to take big gulps of and react with a mind incapable of reason because adrenaline reduces you to your more reptilian being.
sirac
1st August 2011, 14:24
i agree that they are hyping hysteria ... taking one part ignorance, and inflaming a whole society against another.
Ld Sidious, comments and inclinations very sharp as always....but why this:
"Let me ask you avalonuggets a question, why do you think ''they'' brought the extremists into our nations?
Answer me that, which you know the answer and you will see the game."
...more inflammation more fighting type of thing. but i feel sorry for the world window u brits have. the wood is merely being brought to be heaped on your fire.
in other world windows we actually see it as benefit to have the intermingling of the 3 abrahamic fables.
have a window of some compassion on these Sharia nuts. we have similarly established that the mass side of the religion of christianity is limited and for mass control and therefore for nutters. do you then not see that this Sharia thing is like the embarrassing thing which our muslim brothers hold in their train. i'd laugh it off before the Imam comes to me with his sword to cut off my hand. that is a bad interpretation (systemization & exercise) of a very good parable the muslims have given us. its parable states.. that in the Day of Judgement, every organ of ours which we have used for sin would testify against us..i.e. a hand will say...'yes with me, i was used to sin with' ...in other words it is a very high phase parable, complementary to the other two abrahamic religions phase parables. (but much still needs to be sorted from this milleu, esp. considering that when one looks at it with this cross-section, you'll see that of the 3, some or one says nothing on certain subjects)
Rocky_Shorz
1st August 2011, 15:02
reading a tabloid like this would create... Oslo...
hey Anon, tag this one to watch...
Rocky_Shorz
1st August 2011, 15:13
remember Christianity slaughtered Millions in the crusades...
Christian missions would appear in the worst neighborhoods to try and give hope...
I've never met a Muslim I didn't like...
the only ones I've ever known with horns are ones shown on TV...
again
and again
and again...
all Muslims are Christians...
all Muslims and Christians are Jews too...
so why are they fighting?
ulli
1st August 2011, 15:24
remember Christianity slaughtered Millions in the crusades...
Christian missions would appear in the worst neighborhoods to try and give hope...
I've never met a Muslim I didn't like...
the only ones I've ever known with horns are ones shown on TV...
again
and again
and again...
all Muslims are Christians...
all Muslims and Christians are Jews too...
so why are they fighting?
"Leaders of religion, in every age, have hindered their people from attaining the shores of eternal salvation,
inasmuch as they held the reins of authority in their mighty grasp.
Some for the lust of leadership, others through want of knowledge and understanding,
have been the cause of the deprivation of the people.
By their sanction and authority, every Prophet of God hath drunk from the chalice of sacrifice,
and winged His flight unto the heights of glory.
What unspeakable cruelties they that have occupied the seats of authority and learning
have inflicted upon the true Monarchs of the world, those Gems of divine virtue!"
~Baha'u'llah...Kitab-i-Iqan.
Carmody
1st August 2011, 15:52
the guardian has this on their website:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/jul/31/public-jury-campaign-feral-elite
Public jury campaign launched to take power away from UK's 'feral' elite
Britain is being run by a "feral" elite whose members are responsible for a series of crises – from phone hacking to the row over bankers' bonuses – which have scarred the country, a new, non-party group headed by the author Philip Pullman claims.
A 1,000-strong "public jury" should be selected at random to draw up a "public interest first" test to ensure that power is taken away from "remote interest groups" which currently treat the public with contempt, according to the group's declaration. The call for a public jury, which has been signed by 56 academics, writers, trade unionists and politicians from Labour, the Liberal Democrats and the Green party, is published in the Guardian.
Its signatories include Greg Dyke, former director general of the BBC, Caroline Lucas, the only Green MP who is also her party's leader, and the civil liberties campaigner and Labour peer Lady Kennedy. Guardian columnists Polly Toynbee and Madeleine Bunting have also signed the declaration.
ktlight
1st August 2011, 16:35
I just wonder if someone is just stirring up trouble.
Of course if I were a conspiracy theorist, and tried to be funny, I'd blame Stevie Wonder.
...My Sharia Law.....?
So funny, pie'n'eal.
Krullenjongen
1st August 2011, 16:43
I just wonder if someone is just stirring up trouble.
Of course if I were a conspiracy theorist, and tried to be funny, I'd blame Stevie Wonder.
...My Sharia Law.....?
There is no question that someone is trying to stir up trouble. Absolutely no question.
Besides, what do any of us know about Sharia law that we didn't learn from the zionews. Hide your children, no, hide your porn, the Sharaiiff is comin' to town. When do we stop being so easily manipulated into mind paralyzing hysteria.
Well if asking a difficult question is stirring up trouble then i guess i am.
I didn't see anyone making those remarks when the treads started about pedophile priests in the catholic church? Why can't i ask this question cause it really puzzles me?
And you both can try to be funny but you probably have never had your female friends cursed and spit at because someone from the islamic faith thought that their skirt was to short or drove into a street on friday to find it totally blocked by muslims who took over the street for their prayers. These thing just happen here.
Krullenjongen
1st August 2011, 17:02
It is very funny to see that after reading all your posts not even ONE person responded to my question.
That is the same as happens in the MSM and that says a lot to me.
GCS1103
1st August 2011, 17:10
I just wonder if someone is just stirring up trouble.
Of course if I were a conspiracy theorist, and tried to be funny, I'd blame Stevie Wonder.
...My Sharia Law.....?
There is no question that someone is trying to stir up trouble. Absolutely no question.
Besides, what do any of us know about Sharia law that we didn't learn from the zionews. Hide your children, no, hide your porn, the Sharaiiff is comin' to town. When do we stop being so easily manipulated into mind paralyzing hysteria.
Well if asking a difficult question is stirring up trouble then i guess i am.
I didn't see anyone making those remarks when the treads started about pedophile priests in the catholic church? Why can't i ask this question cause it really puzzles me?
And you both can try to be funny but you probably have never had your female friends cursed and spit at because someone from the islamic faith thought that their skirt was to short or drove into a street on friday to find it totally blocked by muslims who took over the street for their prayers. These thing just happen here.
Thank you for the post. You are on the unpopular, minority side of this issue on this forum, but that's what makes this place interesting- we can all post our views. Actually, you will notice that those of us that even address this subject, on both sides, make up such a tiny portion of the total membership which leads me to believe that they have no interest in Muslim/Jewish issues or they have a point of view but don't care to post it for fear of starting a rant war.
So for now, Krullenjongen, you and I will be the ones to question posts that originate from Arab newspapers that pass for objective stories, but I suspect, in the near future, there will be more members speaking out. Then all we can do is waste our time posting back and forth about nonsense while the elites sit back and laugh.
777
1st August 2011, 17:12
It is very funny to see that after reading all your posts not even ONE person responded to my question.
That is the same as happens in the MSM and that says a lot to me.
Which question? I wasn't privy to the last thread.......
Krullenjongen
1st August 2011, 17:26
It is very funny to see that after reading all your posts not even ONE person responded to my question.
That is the same as happens in the MSM and that says a lot to me.
Which question? I wasn't privy to the last thread.......
...............
They keep telling me that Islam is a peaceful and tolerant religion.
How is it then possible that people who follow the islamic rules more strict are so intolerant?
ktlight
1st August 2011, 17:47
It is very funny to see that after reading all your posts not even ONE person responded to my question.
That is the same as happens in the MSM and that says a lot to me.
Which question? I wasn't privy to the last thread.......
...............
They keep telling me that Islam is a peaceful and tolerant religion.
How is it then possible that people who follow the islamic rules more strict are so intolerant?
Krullenjongen, where I live, it is multicultural. Every day at 1pm, the pavement outside the local mosque is littered with worshippers, all facing East. Most of the local shops are owned by Arabs, all well attended. There is no sign of sharia law around, at least not on lamp posts or walls. If there were, I believe the council would be informed post haste and these would be removed. If anyone wanted to introduce sharia law or anything non-English, they would have to go through a process for it to happen, if at all.
Now and again, I hear about wanting to introduce sharia law into the constitution but, so far, nothing has come out of it.
ulli
1st August 2011, 18:19
What is behind everything is the exportation of culture, by those who have the greatest means to do so.
This will inevitably upset those who feel threatened by having their culture destroyed or manipulated.
"In regard to the export of culture, yes, you are right, the U.S. is not alone in this, but it leads the way through its capitalistic leverage of pop culture. No one does this as well as American corporations. They have set the world standard for monetizing content and brands. Other countries mimic this standard and add their weight. Collectively, the culture of capitalism reaches the Arab nations, China, North Korea, Southeast Asia, and the people of these countries – especially the new generations – are seduced by its allure.”
"
“There’s a persistent memory in the psyche of humans – particularly the weaker cultures that have been trampled on by nations bent on colonization. These grievous indignations to the weaker nations of the world have left a deep mark on their collective memory. It’s vital that this memory be erased or purged in order for humankind to become unified in its governance and fundamental systems.
“This event can be orchestrated or it may occur through natural means, but it’s generally agreed that an event must arise that galvanizes the world’s people to unite, and in this process, purge the memory of all peoples, but especially those who have been dealt with as victims of colonization.”
A good read here, about the agenda of the globalizers, and looking at all sides of the picture:
http://www.wingmakers.com/neruda4ex.html
modwiz
1st August 2011, 18:25
I just wonder if someone is just stirring up trouble.
Of course if I were a conspiracy theorist, and tried to be funny, I'd blame Stevie Wonder.
...My Sharia Law.....?
There is no question that someone is trying to stir up trouble. Absolutely no question.
Besides, what do any of us know about Sharia law that we didn't learn from the zionews. Hide your children, no, hide your porn, the Sharaiiff is comin' to town. When do we stop being so easily manipulated into mind paralyzing hysteria.
Well if asking a difficult question is stirring up trouble then i guess i am.
I didn't see anyone making those remarks when the treads started about pedophile priests in the catholic church? Why can't i ask this question cause it really puzzles me?
And you both can try to be funny but you probably have never had your female friends cursed and spit at because someone from the islamic faith thought that their skirt was to short or drove into a street on friday to find it totally blocked by muslims who took over the street for their prayers. These thing just happen here.
I am sorry you thought I was speaking directly to you rather than implicating your original source as being the fomenting fountain of fear farce.
I could have stickers made that my neighborhood is for witches only and all 'muggles' will be identified for ritual sacrifice later. All I would need is a news carrier to make it 'true' and thereby become a threat to all unmagical people.
This is my point. News carriers creating their own news and 'working' a cultural issue into a full blown attack on western civilization. We all need to be more discerning and better than that.
modwiz
1st August 2011, 18:50
I just wonder if someone is just stirring up trouble.
Of course if I were a conspiracy theorist, and tried to be funny, I'd blame Stevie Wonder.
...My Sharia Law.....?
There is no question that someone is trying to stir up trouble. Absolutely no question.
Besides, what do any of us know about Sharia law that we didn't learn from the zionews. Hide your children, no, hide your porn, the Sharaiiff is comin' to town. When do we stop being so easily manipulated into mind paralyzing hysteria.
Well if asking a difficult question is stirring up trouble then i guess i am.
I didn't see anyone making those remarks when the treads started about pedophile priests in the catholic church? Why can't i ask this question cause it really puzzles me?
And you both can try to be funny but you probably have never had your female friends cursed and spit at because someone from the islamic faith thought that their skirt was to short or drove into a street on friday to find it totally blocked by muslims who took over the street for their prayers. These thing just happen here.
Thank you for the post. You are on the unpopular, minority side of this issue on this forum, but that's what makes this place interesting- we can all post our views. Actually, you will notice that those of us that even address this subject, on both sides, make up such a tiny portion of the total membership which leads me to believe that they have no interest in Muslim/Jewish issues or they have a point of view but don't care to post it for fear of starting a rant war.
So for now, Krullenjongen, you and I will be the ones to question posts that originate from Arab newspapers that pass for objective stories, but I suspect, in the near future, there will be more members speaking out. Then all we can do is waste our time posting back and forth about nonsense while the elites sit back and laugh.
Show me a newspaper, any newspaper, that is objective and you will show me a paper with no sales and scant readership. Your comment about Arab newspapers somehow passing the smell test feels 'off' to me. Machiavelli has many pupils and once you understand how thay machine runs you will be able to sense when you are being guided. Arab newspapers are equally suspect. Especially when they say the particularly inflammatory, seemingly stupid, and self defeating things. I see real genius when that sort of slop gets printed/reported. Very subtle. Emotional slop for the readership is good for sales but the 'effects' of these views have others consequences. One is left with the now popular, cui bono?
Lord Sidious
1st August 2011, 19:29
I just wonder if someone is just stirring up trouble.
Of course if I were a conspiracy theorist, and tried to be funny, I'd blame Stevie Wonder.
...My Sharia Law.....?
There is no question that someone is trying to stir up trouble. Absolutely no question.
Besides, what do any of us know about Sharia law that we didn't learn from the zionews. Hide your children, no, hide your porn, the Sharaiiff is comin' to town. When do we stop being so easily manipulated into mind paralyzing hysteria.
Well if asking a difficult question is stirring up trouble then i guess i am.
I didn't see anyone making those remarks when the treads started about pedophile priests in the catholic church? Why can't i ask this question cause it really puzzles me?
And you both can try to be funny but you probably have never had your female friends cursed and spit at because someone from the islamic faith thought that their skirt was to short or drove into a street on friday to find it totally blocked by muslims who took over the street for their prayers. These thing just happen here.
Somehow, knowing Modwiz like I do, I think he was pointing in the direction of the media, not you.
...............
They keep telling me that Islam is a peaceful and tolerant religion.
How is it then possible that people who follow the islamic rules more strict are so intolerant?
Most of their intolerance comes from the old testament, not their qur'an.
I don't follow any religion, I like to think and feel for myself.
Why do I need someone else's discoveries/rules?
steveofengland
1st August 2011, 19:47
‘no gambling’, ‘no music or concerts’, ‘no porn or prostitution’, ‘no drugs or smoking’ and ‘no alcohol . that parts not so bad?
Rocky_Shorz
1st August 2011, 20:25
I just wonder if someone is just stirring up trouble.
Of course if I were a conspiracy theorist, and tried to be funny, I'd blame Stevie Wonder.
...My Sharia Law.....?
There is no question that someone is trying to stir up trouble. Absolutely no question.
Besides, what do any of us know about Sharia law that we didn't learn from the zionews. Hide your children, no, hide your porn, the Sharaiiff is comin' to town. When do we stop being so easily manipulated into mind paralyzing hysteria.
Well if asking a difficult question is stirring up trouble then i guess i am.
I didn't see anyone making those remarks when the treads started about pedophile priests in the catholic church? Why can't i ask this question cause it really puzzles me?
And you both can try to be funny but you probably have never had your female friends cursed and spit at because someone from the islamic faith thought that their skirt was to short or drove into a street on friday to find it totally blocked by muslims who took over the street for their prayers. These thing just happen here.
hard to believe Mohammad started a Religion that honored women...
Rocky_Shorz
1st August 2011, 20:29
I'd release a pack of puppies on em... ;)
Maia Gabrial
1st August 2011, 21:30
Fear the zionists, too.... Both are dangerous radicals.
Carmody
1st August 2011, 21:33
It is very funny to see that after reading all your posts not even ONE person responded to my question.
That is the same as happens in the MSM and that says a lot to me.
I think it is more along the lines of us not knowing what to do, or say. What can we, really?
I don't think that your situation is tenable. I do not think that such things (as you are dealing with) are correct, either.
The problem lies in those two try to take over the streets and the persons who spit on your friend.
The problem and the answer is in them, not us. We cannot answer for them or for this situation that has been thrust upon you.
Lord Sidious
1st August 2011, 21:40
Fear the zionists, too.... Both are dangerous radicals.
Ironically, they need each other to survive.
seko
1st August 2011, 21:52
Kullenjongen I understand that your female friends are getting a spit on her face for wearing a short skirt. It is not right. But if we do not answer your question may be is because we are not in your shoes and we don't know the answer.
Let me ask you, what is the answer to the situation you live in and your fellow countrymen and women???
What would you do about it???
steveofengland
1st August 2011, 22:39
Not sure if I dare even say this but some comments seem a tad racist? Are we not supposed tolove everyone the same and respect peoples beliefs and ways. I've been taught on this very forum to show love and compassion to all, even if they want to harm me. And I've not seen much of that in this thread.
Davidallany
1st August 2011, 22:42
Most of their intolerance comes from the old testament, not their qur'an.
I don't follow any religion, I like to think and feel for myself.
Why do I need someone else's discoveries/rules?
It's the same deity that TPTB gave our ancestors. A god like this is not a god, he's either a pretender or an imagination.
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These religeons are the soft cushion of TPTB to fall on in case the slaves try to break free from their grip.
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Lord Sidious
1st August 2011, 22:46
Not sure if I dare even say this but some comments seem a tad racist? Are we not supposed tolove everyone the same and respect peoples beliefs and ways. I've been taught on this very forum to show love and compassion to all, even if they want to harm me. And I've not seen much of that in this thread.
I don't love beliefs and ways that are negative.
I object to the treatment of women in the abrahamic traditions.
I don't have to respect that or tolerate it.
Davidallany
1st August 2011, 23:13
Fear the zionists, too.... Both are dangerous radicals.
All roads lead to Rome. An iceberg's base and main mass is the one that you don't see.
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GCS1103
2nd August 2011, 00:35
I just wonder if someone is just stirring up trouble.
Of course if I were a conspiracy theorist, and tried to be funny, I'd blame Stevie Wonder.
...My Sharia Law.....?
There is no question that someone is trying to stir up trouble. Absolutely no question.
Besides, what do any of us know about Sharia law that we didn't learn from the zionews. Hide your children, no, hide your porn, the Sharaiiff is comin' to town. When do we stop being so easily manipulated into mind paralyzing hysteria.
Well if asking a difficult question is stirring up trouble then i guess i am.
I didn't see anyone making those remarks when the treads started about pedophile priests in the catholic church? Why can't i ask this question cause it really puzzles me?
And you both can try to be funny but you probably have never had your female friends cursed and spit at because someone from the islamic faith thought that their skirt was to short or drove into a street on friday to find it totally blocked by muslims who took over the street for their prayers. These thing just happen here.
Thank you for the post. You are on the unpopular, minority side of this issue on this forum, but that's what makes this place interesting- we can all post our views. Actually, you will notice that those of us that even address this subject, on both sides, make up such a tiny portion of the total membership which leads me to believe that they have no interest in Muslim/Jewish issues or they have a point of view but don't care to post it for fear of starting a rant war.
So for now, Krullenjongen, you and I will be the ones to question posts that originate from Arab newspapers that pass for objective stories, but I suspect, in the near future, there will be more members speaking out. Then all we can do is waste our time posting back and forth about nonsense while the elites sit back and laugh.
Show me a newspaper, any newspaper, that is objective and you will show me a paper with no sales and scant readership. Your comment about Arab newspapers somehow passing the smell test feels 'off' to me. Machiavelli has many pupils and once you understand how thay machine runs you will be able to sense when you are being guided. Arab newspapers are equally suspect. Especially when they say the particularly inflammatory, seemingly stupid, and self defeating things. I see real genius when that sort of slop gets printed/reported. Very subtle. Emotional slop for the readership is good for sales but the 'effects' of these views have others consequences. One is left with the now popular, cui bono?
Modwiz-
Perhaps I wasn"t clear in what I was saying. I absolutely know that NO newspaper printed is without agenda or slant- whether it be an Arabic or Israeli newspaper. What I was trying to get across was that on THIS forum, all I ever see are quotes from Arabic newspapers when a post is started. Am I incorrect in this observation?
Flash
2nd August 2011, 01:40
Not sure if I dare even say this but some comments seem a tad racist? Are we not supposed tolove everyone the same and respect peoples beliefs and ways. I've been taught on this very forum to show love and compassion to all, even if they want to harm me. And I've not seen much of that in this thread.
I don't love beliefs and ways that are negative.
I object to the treatment of women in the abrahamic traditions.
I don't have to respect that or tolerate it.
Very good point, women are not well treated in any of the abrahamic traditions. As soon as you talk of fundamentalist, in any of these tradition, be it fundamental Mulsims, orthodox Jews, fundamentalist Christians as well, or the previous catholicism for example, women were not and often are still not well treated. When followed by fanatic, these religions all allow the choking of women power.
Kullenjongen, I had what was done to your girlfriend done to me, and believe me, I was not wearing a short skirt, I had just cut the guy inadvertently in trafic, he screamed I was a whore, did not stop swearing at me and spitted. Definitly Arab, but you know what, i saw this in hard core Christian as well as soon as you are different. Some people are just plain stupid wherever they are or wherever they come from. This is how women have been treated for milleniums. Some countries, cultures and most religions still support this.
As for the request to have sharia law in Britain, it is often asked under the religious rights cover. Be very careful, they are insistant, our western law do protect the right of religion and it was almost a done deal in Ontario, until international protest occured. Sharia is extremely hard on women, excessively discriminatory, it should not even be tought of.
Davidallany
2nd August 2011, 01:57
Religion none sense, a bunch of fabricated beliefs and rituals, stirs emotions in people to ultimately manipulate the human mind and body through the slavery of the heart. How can Humanity willingly accept slavery? by attacking it's heart, the door of innocence. What has been done to Humanity is heart breaking indeed.
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sirac
2nd August 2011, 05:49
Not sure if I dare even say this but some comments seem a tad racist? Are we not supposed tolove everyone the same and respect peoples beliefs and ways. I've been taught on this very forum to show love and compassion to all, even if they want to harm me. And I've not seen much of that in this thread.
I don't love beliefs and ways that are negative.
I object to the treatment of women in the abrahamic traditions.
I don't have to respect that or tolerate it.
Very good point, women are not well treated in any of the abrahamic traditions. As soon as you talk of fundamentalist, in any of these tradition, be it fundamental Mulsims, orthodox Jews, fundamentalist Christians as well, or the previous catholicism for example, women were not and often are still not well treated. When followed by fanatic, these religions all allow the choking of women power.
Kullenjongen, I had what was done to your girlfriend done to me, and believe me, I was not wearing a short skirt, I had just cut the guy inadvertently in trafic, he screamed I was a whore, did not stop swearing at me and spitted. Definitly Arab, but you know what, i saw this in hard core Christian as well as soon as you are different. Some people are just plain stupid wherever they are or wherever they come from. This is how women have been treated for milleniums. Some countries, cultures and most religions still support this.
As for the request to have sharia law in Britain, it is often asked under the religious rights cover. Be very careful, they are insistant, our western law do protect the right of religion and it was almost a done deal in Ontario, until international protest occured. Sharia is extremely hard on women, excessively discriminatory, it should not even be tought of.
all fish in one basket.
learn this distinguishment when i say....no need to throw the whip at a overconcept, it still has place and justification...
learn to distinguish between that part which is of the Word (of any 3 of the abrahamic 'fables') and that which is born from interpretation of man.
here i deal with an avalonian audience which disclaims spiritualism. on the other part there are those avalonian currents which centre on the spiritualism as revealed in the hinduic and buddic way. amongst those of that current i say their is a spiritualism which comes from the essence of the 3 abrahamic traditions. i contend for i know a future is still being formed. & if i will reincarnate i want a seed or sembelence of my soil when i return.
codify amongst yourselves what is of the external (man interpretation) and what is of the internal (normally that of such high stature that we can't even systemize its gains now for fear of misrepresentation)....Sharia part is the external part.
because it is external, be it discarded from amongst us. the aim in such would be to reduce the inflammatoriness associated with this. this is an international forum, not just for a certain elite which have grown from a certain soil (yes i refer to u in your world windows.)
Tane Mahuta
2nd August 2011, 06:28
Let me ask you avalonuggets a question, why do you think ''they'' brought the extremists into our nations?
Answer me that, which you know the answer and you will see the game.
divide and conquer
"Divide, Conquer & Fear!!"
TM
Tane Mahuta
2nd August 2011, 06:38
'No porn or prostitution': Islamic extremists set up Sharia law controlled zones in British cities
They keep telling me that Islam is a peaceful and tolerant religion.
How is it then possible that people who follow the islamic rules more strict are so intolerant?
Krull, I beleive that Islam is a peaceful & tolerant religion.......
It is HOW it has been interpreted that has become the problem....
TM
Maia Gabrial
2nd August 2011, 23:17
Lord Sidious,
I see the wisdom of what you've said. And they need the rest of us to get sucked into their vortex of hate.
Lord Sidious
2nd August 2011, 23:30
Lord Sidious,
I see the wisdom of what you've said. And they need the rest of us to get sucked into their vortex of hate.
Of course, what would theatre be without an audience?
Rehearsals?
sirac
3rd August 2011, 06:44
nother world window i have surmised,
certainly even lord class is present and called so.
-whispers-do they not see they are the future fire readyied for when this one burning within religions end. another world window. not merely real as people would want it. yes they also move across the earth, there yield is to high to deal with the voices of another cohort for circumspection yet
let me quickly amend though. i am moving to cause any stir i can. note that i merely part on even terms. i have noted u, and called u bound down to a certain world window. this could not be a real attack, no real heart to it. u maia, where at which point do u get to the vortex of hate. certainly their is one. but how and when do u surmise its pull on you. is it from amongst the voices that reason with you. or maybe certainly merely it is that vortex of hate which we know to be present there but that u have seemingly used as a weapon of time and place to irrelevate an undefined... otherwise nothing against Sidious's lord class designation..truely a true descriptor of his roat and intent within this forum
TigaHawk
3rd August 2011, 21:46
If this happens in Australia i'll be out ripping them off the lamp posts myself.
I still cannot get my head around why people immigrate over here - decide they dont like our culture/the way the place is run so do everything they possibly can to bring their own culture/laws over here. Sharia law has been mentioned here and there - but ive yet to see them step up the game and try the poster thing here.
It also amazes me they get upset that we do not like them wearing their... whatever you call it... over their heads. Us Australians, as part of our culture, who we are - see that thing as oppression. A means the men use to supress the women - under the guise that "Its a womans fault for "revealing herself" and "tempting" other men - and yeah if the men rapes that woman guess what - its the woman's fault! It's as if their whole law is designed around the women worshipping the men and being their unwilling slaves. I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS HOW IT IS - I am saying this what alot of Aussies think when we look at someone wearing a Burqua of Veil.
If i ever wanted to take a trip to their home country - i am aware/understand there are certain things i would have to conform too before i could go over tehre. IE I'd have to wear a Burqua and not hold my partners hand as we walk down the street, Id have to conform to their way of life to not offend - or get myself in serious trouble.
I do not understand why do not think they ahve to do the same when they come over here (Either holiday or moving here to live) - just because we do not have any way's that stand out. If we were to make thongs mandatory during summer that would be interesting. (The foot kind...:P)
Why can we not all accept that we all have different beliefes, likes and dislikes and let that be the end of it. Why must people try to force their way of life on everyone?
why why why why why :(
Krullenjongen
6th August 2011, 11:35
I just wonder if someone is just stirring up trouble.
Of course if I were a conspiracy theorist, and tried to be funny, I'd blame Stevie Wonder.
...My Sharia Law.....?
There is no question that someone is trying to stir up trouble. Absolutely no question.
Besides, what do any of us know about Sharia law that we didn't learn from the zionews. Hide your children, no, hide your porn, the Sharaiiff is comin' to town. When do we stop being so easily manipulated into mind paralyzing hysteria.
Well if asking a difficult question is stirring up trouble then i guess i am.
I didn't see anyone making those remarks when the treads started about pedophile priests in the catholic church? Why can't i ask this question cause it really puzzles me?
And you both can try to be funny but you probably have never had your female friends cursed and spit at because someone from the islamic faith thought that their skirt was to short or drove into a street on friday to find it totally blocked by muslims who took over the street for their prayers. These thing just happen here.
I am sorry you thought I was speaking directly to you rather than implicating your original source as being the fomenting fountain of fear farce.
I could have stickers made that my neighborhood is for witches only and all 'muggles' will be identified for ritual sacrifice later. All I would need is a news carrier to make it 'true' and thereby become a threat to all unmagical people.
This is my point. News carriers creating their own news and 'working' a cultural issue into a full blown attack on western civilization. We all need to be more discerning and better than that.
I'm sorry that i misunderstood you.
You are right in saying that the news can be easily created and hyped but i still think that this is part of a bigger picture.
Krullenjongen
6th August 2011, 12:06
Why do I need someone else's discoveries/rules?
This is my point exactly!
We discussed the concept of freedom in another thread you started and the point that i made there applies here too.
The thing i said there was "the freedom of one cannot restrain the freedom of another."
And this exactly what would happen if "they" would enforce sharia law in these neighborhoods.
This is also what happend when "they" took over the street for their Friday prayers.
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‘no gambling’, ‘no music or concerts’, ‘no porn or prostitution’, ‘no drugs or smoking’ and ‘no alcohol . that parts not so bad?
Bad or not who are they to lay these rules upon me???
It takes away my freedom to choose.
Krullenjongen
6th August 2011, 12:15
It is very funny to see that after reading all your posts not even ONE person responded to my question.
That is the same as happens in the MSM and that says a lot to me.
I think it is more along the lines of us not knowing what to do, or say. What can we, really?
I don't think that your situation is tenable. I do not think that such things (as you are dealing with) are correct, either.
The problem lies in those two try to take over the streets and the persons who spit on your friend.
The problem and the answer is in them, not us. We cannot answer for them or for this situation that has been thrust upon you.
I was hoping to encounter someone of the islamic faith that maybe could give me a insightfull answer about the interpretation of the islamic rules.
It seems like most actions are based om some interpretation of the rules.
I could explain why some of my more strict christian friends are not allowed to go to a restaurant on Sunday and why i don't follow those rules because my interpretation of those rules is different.
Why wouldn't a muslim be able to explain why some more strict muslims don't allow alcohol or smoking or short skirts for that matter?
Krullenjongen
6th August 2011, 12:27
Kullenjongen I understand that your female friends are getting a spit on her face for wearing a short skirt. It is not right. But if we do not answer your question may be is because we are not in your shoes and we don't know the answer.
Let me ask you, what is the answer to the situation you live in and your fellow countrymen and women???
What would you do about it???
"the freedom of one cannot restrain the freedom of another."
I am not a islamofoob or xenofoob they are all welcome here as the Dutch showed in the past.
In the sixties we invited lots of muslims to come and work here in the Netherlands and gave them everything they needed, which included room to build mosques for their prayer gatherings (something that is not allowed for christians in many muslim countries!)
But when they then say that i can't walk my dog within a hundred meters of their mosque because my dog is a unclean animal i say they go too far!
Not much i can do about it besides let my government know that the laws of our country should go before the law of any faith.
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Not sure if I dare even say this but some comments seem a tad racist? Are we not supposed tolove everyone the same and respect peoples beliefs and ways. I've been taught on this very forum to show love and compassion to all, even if they want to harm me. And I've not seen much of that in this thread.
I don't love beliefs and ways that are negative.
I object to the treatment of women in the abrahamic traditions.
I don't have to respect that or tolerate it.
Can you tell me which abrahamic traditions you mean?
Lord Sidious
12th August 2011, 02:31
Not sure if I dare even say this but some comments seem a tad racist? Are we not supposed tolove everyone the same and respect peoples beliefs and ways. I've been taught on this very forum to show love and compassion to all, even if they want to harm me. And I've not seen much of that in this thread.
I don't love beliefs and ways that are negative.
I object to the treatment of women in the abrahamic traditions.
I don't have to respect that or tolerate it.
Can you tell me which abrahamic traditions you mean?
All three, judaism, christianity and islam.
I don't discriminate, I dislike them all equally.:p
sirac
12th August 2011, 05:33
Greatings Sidious,...kindest greetings. Indeed i agree with you, i take in your disposition, i too have friends of same orientation, in socionic house these would be Alpha, & i do not disagree with them in disposition for they are the closest in a certain aspect-wise to me... its just when it comes down the line [in so to speak socionic processing]...that after it passes me, i deliver to the phase organism us: ..their is a secret part of the 3 parts,
i have seen in the shallow end of each part, that their is an eddy current keeping them in their respective shallow end. {now i hate narrative windows i have to impose to a single end..}
infact, i'm skipping alot of processing that might be irrelevant to u's now,
infact we have to be dangerously aware of religions, for in phase structure they permit and perpetuate the present phase structure of the earth {& now i hate saying such an absolutized statement in the open, for by logic window if u evaluate me, then u'd say why stir, just sh%t-up}
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