What is the "White Light" we see when we die?

[ktlight]

"To understand what inspired this question, see the following excerpts from another forum by someone who goes by the screenname, Martin Gman.

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From http://www.near-death-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=24316:

"It is inevitable that we are ALL going to die at some point so what you are about to read could save you a million more trips back to this War torn Earth plane of Existence.

I will not go into enormous detail at this particular point but let me assure you that this information is correct and is one of the most Fundamental tools of the "Unseen Hands" for keeping Human Souls in the Physical world time and time again or as others call it "Reincarnation".

This thing what keeps returning us to all the suffering of World Wars and Third World Famines etc, is asolutely so simple its been staring us in the face for Thousands of years..This Simple tool is called "The White Light."

This famous White Light is what we are "supposed" to go to when we die and is "supposed" to take us to our true home or vibration of the soul. NDEs will give us a glimpse of this and OBEs can actually enter this light.

Well let me "Enlighten" you (pardon the pun).

The White Light is nothing but an interdimensional Soul Catcher. I will guarantee you if you enter this upon death you will eventually reincarnate. Some people might want this to happen (materialistic people perhaps) but true spiritual warriors avoid this like the plague and fight against the many years and lifetimes of suffering that goes on in the Physical world.

We can all Pretend that our lives are great and life is fantastic, but deep down we all know that our loved ones will depart from us and every human soul on the planet will suffer from some kind of negative Emotion at some time in thier life.

If you had a choice in the matter what would you do? would you come back to Planet Earth and face the harsh reality of mass control and Fear or would you choose to go back to your true place of birth "The Source" or oneness with your so called God!! I know where I will be going.

Before anyone of you condemn my posting just wait five minutes and way this theory up, after all its been virtually staring us in the face.

"What happens if you dont go into the Light then, Do you become an earthbound spirit or trapped in purgatory or the lower Astral etc etc"

NO it is the biggest lie in History. When your time is up and eventually get to cross over (As we all forget it could happen tomorrow or in 50 years) and youve left the Physical body, Stop, look around, Look up there will be a blinding white light above, Look to the sides of it and there is a Golden light. The Golden light is the way to the Source and it bypasses the great void.

All the Spirits in the Afterlife are still in enslavement (albeit a less dense one) and the Astral + Spirit worlds are actually illusions of the collective consciousness of ALL matter (not just Human). Spirits STILL dont realise they are manipulated even in other dimensions. Spirits STILL dont realise that ALL mankind and everything else is connected. Only those at the source can be truly free.

If you think im a crackpot or in need of help please would you remember this ONE thing.

The white light is designed to keep us enslaved and to be reborn again to continue the "Slave Race" of humanity. Go for Gold, End of Story.

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I have been a student of many discliplines..Metaphysics, Classic and Quantum physics, Mysticism, Ufology, Parapsychology and Occult practises so yes ive heard just about every theory known in the public domain.

I have been a successful Astral projector for 14 years now and I have seen many things Good and Bad.

I stumbled across this forum and (I am not trying to offend anybody) found many misguided and misinformed souls. Let me make it clear that I am not Religious in any form and do not condemn anybody who is.

The present Human Race (especially in the West) have been bombarded with egotistical, meglomaniac beings driven purely by greed and power. This represents our Governments and Religions right down to the Local Gangbangers to the Fake so called Psychics and healers etc.

We have been bombarded with "New Age Messiahs" and New Age theories many which are Harmless but some which are not. We are in a time where we just dont know what to believe!!

I entered the world of Astral Projection because of this. I just had to make my own mind up and witness it first hand instead of the local Clergy telling me *beep* like I would not go to Heaven if I didnt Repent (Bulls***). I have met thousands of Non Physical beings most who were Positive and some Negative….

When I watch a T.V psychic perform it makes me cringe, not because I dont believe him/her but because He or She is being used to manipulate the Masses and the info given is about 0.000001 of what is realy happening on the "other side". This is what I found...

1.There is no Hell after death (The Physical world we live in is Hell and the Lower Astral is the Mirror Image)
2.The Dead are no different to what we are (Different Frequency) and are still controlled in seperate Kingdoms or Belief systems.
3.There are no E.Ts as such but only Interdimensional Beings (Ufos are Reality Skip vehicles)
4.The Physical,Astral,Spirit Realms are all collective Illusions have all been Manipulated at some point but now it is changing."

[ROMANWKT]

Thank you ktlight I would like to copy and paste this soon, very good stuff, thank you. for my other post.

regards
roman

[Calz]

Gotta love it when the universe does that.

I posed that exact question last night in another thread:


A lot of the OBE material talks about helping "lost souls" along their way.

Somewhat off-topic ... but in another thread it is suggested that "going to the light" after passing may not be the best answer implying that is part and parcel of what binds us to reincarnate here.

Any thoughts?

[ulli]

In another thread where I was talking about the chain of coincidental books that came my way...the books being by Bishop Pike and making contact via mediums with his deceased son Jim, and the other one was the autobiography of one of those mediums, Ena Twigg.
In her book she writes about finding Bishop Pike's lost soul just after he passed away, after having been caught for one week in a dust storm in Israel...
I no longer have that book, unfortunately.

She wrote that as she went into her trance she found him, totally lost in a greyness, and that she guided him out of that so that he could continue his journey.

[Billy]

The recycling of souls is great problem within humanity, This is different to reincarnation because the soul is trapped and has no choice when it is continually recycled, I remember having this discussion with Charles months ago when the depopulation of humanity was being discussed, If we can educate humanity about soul recycling and prevent this from occuring, break the cycle as they say, then the worlds population would find its own balance.

[Lisab]

I agree with this. Even the dimensions have been hi-jacked. I read something interesting before that entities like guides and "archangels" etc can't move on or ascend themselves while we still think we need them. They've got their own programmes to deal with.
When I was pregnant with my second son I started seeing energy or auras around people and objects i thought yay I'm seeing auras! These days I'm more careful in my assumptions. It's a matrix and we all need to breathe thru it consciously every day to unhook. also releasing and forgiveness. On some level were just as responsible for accepting it in the first place. X

[Tane Mahuta]

"
I entered the world of Astral Projection because of this. I just had to make my own mind up and witness it first hand instead of the local Clergy telling me *beep* like I would not go to Heaven if I didnt Repent (Bulls***). I have met thousands of Non Physical beings most who were Positive and some Negative….

1.There is no Hell after death (The Physical world we live in is Hell and the Lower Astral is the Mirror Image)
2.The Dead are no different to what we are (Different Frequency) and are still controlled in seperate Kingdoms or Belief systems.
3.There are no E.Ts as such but only Interdimensional Beings (Ufos are Reality Skip vehicles)
4.The Physical,Astral,Spirit Realms are all collective Illusions have all been Manipulated at some point but now it is changing."


Hi kLight, good post, here's what I see,

0 - You state that you've met thousands of non physical beings, if so, your questions would already have been answered.(my thinking)

1 - There is no death, we are all spiritual beings, having a human experience. The spirit is eternal!! To describe the meaning of hell?
very difficult because there are so many different meanings to different people.

2 - "The Dead", you mean the souls/spirits?. When the physical body has ceased to operate. We leave it behind and the life that you
lived determins your placement in the higher astral planes.

3 - Et's & their craft are physical(5th dimensional beings). 6th Dimensional beings are that of light, including their craft.(my thinking)

4 - As far as I know, only the 3rd dimension is being manipulated. I have read that in the 5th dimension, good & evil can co-exist,
but one cannot effect the other & vice verse(my thinking)

side note#

We are already in the 4th dimension(that of time). When we eventually wake up, those that
are ready will be going the the 5th dimension(my thinking)


nuff said

TM

[ktlight]

0 - You state that you've met thousands of non physical beings, if so, your questions would already have been answered.(my thinking)
TM

Hi Tane Mahuta, It was Gman who said, not me.

[Tane Mahuta]

0 - You state that you've met thousands of non physical beings, if so, your questions would already have been answered.(my thinking)
TM

Hi Tane Mahuta, It was Gman who said, not me.

No worries, just another thing I forgot to mention!!

The white light that we see when we die is the ET's stealing your sole to be recycled!

Don't go to the light people....don't go to the light!!...Do a u-turn, & head out to heaven!!

forget the feelings of "bathed in a beautiful light", "intense love"...... Frickin B/S mate!!


nuff said

TM

[Tenzin]

Suppose we find ourselves in the situation when we get to choose to go in or not, wouldn't our predominant emotions/consciousness determine the outcome?

From my understanding, correct me if I am wrong since I have not personally experience that state YET in this lifetime, but when encountered, which we certainly will in the future, our emotions are pretty much on 'free reign' mode and our habitual inclination will drive us back into that light.

[RedeZra]

When your time is up and eventually get to cross over (As we all forget it could happen tomorrow or in 50 years) and youve left the Physical body, Stop, look around, Look up there will be a blinding white light above, Look to the sides of it and there is a Golden light. The Golden light is the way to the Source and it bypasses the great void.

The white light is designed to keep us enslaved and to be reborn again to continue the "Slave Race" of humanity. Go for Gold, End of Story.



skip the white light and go for gold glitter ?!

fine I'll make a note of that in the back of my head

'go for gold gold gold...' ; )

[Lord Sidious]

"
I entered the world of Astral Projection because of this. I just had to make my own mind up and witness it first hand instead of the local Clergy telling me *beep* like I would not go to Heaven if I didnt Repent (Bulls***). I have met thousands of Non Physical beings most who were Positive and some Negative….

1.There is no Hell after death (The Physical world we live in is Hell and the Lower Astral is the Mirror Image)
2.The Dead are no different to what we are (Different Frequency) and are still controlled in seperate Kingdoms or Belief systems.
3.There are no E.Ts as such but only Interdimensional Beings (Ufos are Reality Skip vehicles)
4.The Physical,Astral,Spirit Realms are all collective Illusions have all been Manipulated at some point but now it is changing."


Hi kLight, good post, here's what I see,

0 - You state that you've met thousands of non physical beings, if so, your questions would already have been answered.(my thinking)

1 - There is no death, we are all spiritual beings, having a human experience. The spirit is eternal!! To describe the meaning of hell?
very difficult because there are so many different meanings to different people.

2 - "The Dead", you mean the souls/spirits?. When the physical body has ceased to operate. We leave it behind and the life that you
lived determins your placement in the higher astral planes.

3 - Et's & their craft are physical(5th dimensional beings). 6th Dimensional beings are that of light, including their craft.(my thinking)

4 - As far as I know, only the 3rd dimension is being manipulated. I have read that in the 5th dimension, good & evil can co-exist,
but one cannot effect the other & vice verse(my thinking)

side note#

We are already in the 4th dimension(that of time). When we eventually wake up, those that
are ready will be going the the 5th dimension(my thinking)


nuff said

TM

If ''satan'' is the lord of this world, wouldn't that suggest that this is hell?
It certainly looks like it to me.

[Ian Gordon]

OK, I will put myself out to be shot down, but I will re tell a personal experience from some 30years ago when as an 18 year old, before I was aware of spiritual journeys white light's etc (although I cannot rule out having some media contact which I had pushed to the back of my mind). My view on the world was very much science based.
The event, I was quiet ill at home and called out the doctor, a locum turned up without my history and injected me with drugs which I reacted to. In brief I died and the doctor brought me back on the living room floor!!
My personal experience (it maybe different for each of us I dont know) was a darkness and a bright light the experience was like what I would now call an OBE, but the sense of peace and calm was so great that I still cant really express it in words. The passage of time was a different scale, I had a conversation as I was given the choice to go back to my body or go on (into the light although I dont think it was given a name or discussed as we both knew) I dont know who I was speaking to it was just a higher been, once again no introductions, we both knew the set up. Looking back I still dont know but it didnt matter, was it higher self, was it god was it the collective....dont know but it didnt matter what label was on it, the level of the conversation was above that, if you can follow.
The nature of the conversation was also strange for an 18year old, as it was done with a calm and understand and dare I say a sense of love which was above the level that I or any other teenager was operating at, a bit hard to explain really.
I add of course I decided to come back, my free will
I hope my experience will aid your discussion, I dont know if this is typical or unique or whatever rational explanation maybe used etc, but for me it is my truth.
Ian

[Calz]

The white light that we see when we die is the ET's stealing your sole to be recycled!

Don't go to the light people....don't go to the light!!...Do a u-turn, & head out to heaven!!

forget the feelings of "bathed in a beautiful light", "intense love"...... Frickin B/S mate!!


nuff said

TM

What a fantastic thread (already) :)

Wonder if that was referred to in Lord of the Rings when Smeagle, guiding Frodo and Sam to Mordor, states "Don't look into the lights"??? (eyes of the dead under the swamp water)

Anyway first time I came across anything along these lines was in Val Valerian's 5th book in the Matrix series a few years back.

http://www.energygrid.com/spirit/2008/05ap-matrixv.html (site of review not from the author).

Really *pissed me off* too cuz I had gotten to the space where I was comfortable facing death as there was really no longer any doubt (for me) about the immortality of the soul. :angry::mad2::frusty:

Val was (is) a big fan of Robert Monroe's OBE material and "reality paradym". He suggests rather than taking the "tunnel of light" go to what Monroe (and staff) refer to as "Level 27". Apologies to anyone not familiar with Monroe's books/concepts.

What I am getting to is ... if not the tunnel of white light ... ***THEN WHERE***???

I heard another suggestion recently of heading for the galactic core.

[Carmen]

As I understand it, to go to the light is to go to the third level which is light, electrec, positive/negative, male/female in other words one is still in duality. Thus still on the wheel of reincarnation. It depends very much or probably entirely on the level of consciousness one has attained on earth as to which level one resonates with. The seven seals/chakras of the human body line up with the levels of consciousness and we operate on those various levels. The first three lower levels are the levels of duality, of man. Unless one has expanded into the fourth level of unconditional love where they are also balanced in their male and female aspects or their female/male aspects they are bound to the lower levels of reincarnation. To somehow go to the upper levels or dimensions would be devastating to the person and the dimension. Where all runaway thoughts are instantly manifested would be very destructive. In this way heaven is guarded from those not qualified to enter. That is why it is so important to do the work here, to clean up our act. It is our marvellous opportunity and it is what we come here to do.

We can live in a 3D body here but operate in consciousness in the higher levels. What Christ did when he ascended was to raise the vibration of his 3D body to the same level/vibration as his seventh level mind, and disappeared from this realm.

[Calz]

Thank you Carmen.

I also wondered whether or not going into the tunnel was an "open option" ... or as you imply, an option based on your progress.

[Enquiring1]

Hmmm this is interesting cause I thought that the only way to get off the wheel was to obtain enlightenment (whatever that is) whilst incarnate in this phyiscal world.

KTLight its funny you mention the golden light, I wonder if that is why man has such a obsession with gold.

Ah I just read Carmans post we must have posted a the sametime. Thanks for that.

[Carmen]

Yes, that is correct in my understanding Enquiring1. This earth is our great opportunity.

The last Hathor Material which Viking posted has some very good advice on where and what to do at physical death if one is unsure and has an option.

[Enquiring1]

Thanks for that Carmen.

Oh boy I got some work to to.............. :P

[Calz]

Thanks for that Carmen.

Oh boy I got some work to to.............. :P

I expect that can be shared by most since we are "still here".

[pharoah21]

I can't help but agree with Carmen here, I do believe that we will go where we resonate.

I had an answer to a question I had come to me today. Regarding all the talk about heaven and hell in the bible, (which I'm sure must have some truth to it), Jesus stated that Hell is eternal for the evil (or something like that) where there is weeping, and gnashing of teeth. I thought, this must be Earth, as Jesus also stated that Satan was Lord of the World. So maybe eternity in Hell is actually reincarnation for the evil, or for those who operate at a lower vibration. Once we can learn how to raise our vibrations, we will resonate with one of the higher realms.

It sounds quite logical. Also look in to the fact that Hell is always described as a fiery place, which I believe is an analogy. Think about how boiling water, purifies it.

Do you see what I'm getting at? Once we can operate on a higher vibration, we don't need to worry about the colour of light or which tunnel we take, we will automatically go where we deserve to go.

[TraineeHuman]

In some traditions, and in my personal observation, there are actually seven levels of "enlightenment". And an individual experiences the first level once all their chakras begin to glow with bright white or silver light instead of dull grey. After they experience the first level, their chakras start to change to include the golden light, one after the other, up to the oversoul chakra, which sits about 8 inches above the top of the head. The individual experiences the fourth level of enlightenment when all the chakras have the golden light.

That golden light is just the light of the higher heavens, the higher divine or universal worlds. I think the point is, though, that after you die you won't feel secure about letting go into the golden light unless you already know through direct experience that it's pure bliss. As I believe the Tibetan Book of the Dead tries to explain in a somewhat cryptic way, to get into the golden light you need to feel very, very happy about not only letting go of any form or identity or point of view, but even of any difference between "I" and "me", or between subject and object.

[Nathalie]

I hate to drop a hair in everyone's soup, but do we take this as the New Gospel? Death 2.0? To white light, we need to upgrade to gold glitter? No ET's? How very disappointing! We're all pretty much riding the same train here, or we wouldn't be in this forum. We have similar beliefs. So we've heard things here and there throughout our life, so then we form opinions which are then transformed into beliefs, yes? Why? Because they resonate! But what if we had been mislead all along? Let's just say for argument's sake (I'm just playing devil's advocate here), that this is just like religion. We are manipulated into believing what we believe (or know) today. To what end? No idea. But thruth is, other than the ones who had a NDE (who know up to a point, because they did come back) no one knows what happens after we die. I find this a fascinating subject, but let's not forget it's only conjecture at this point. Sometimes, just to scare myself, I wonder what if there's nothing at all?? Imagine that?? Would that suck? But somehow, I don't feel that way...

[Calz]

I hate to drop a hair in everyone's soup, but do we take this as the New Gospel? Death 2.0? To white light, we need to upgrade to gold glitter? No ET's? How very disappointing! We're all pretty much riding the same train here, or we wouldn't be in this forum. We have similar beliefs. So we've heard things here and there throughout our life, so then we form opinions which are then transformed into beliefs, yes? Why? Because they resonate! But what if we had been mislead all along? Let's just say for argument's sake (I'm just playing devil's advocate here), that this is just like religion. We are manipulated into believing what we believe (or know) today. To what end? No idea. But thruth is, other than the ones who had a NDE (who know up to a point, because they did come back) no one knows what happens after we die. I find this a fascinating subject, but let's not forget it's only conjecture at this point. Sometimes, just to scare myself, I wonder what if there's nothing at all?? Imagine that?? Would that suck? But somehow, I don't feel that way...

OBEs are not death so there is some truth there.

NDEs, the ones that do experience *SEEING* the tunnel of light, I have never heard of any opting out and cruising around to have a look elsewhere.

I like the gold glitter :)

[phillipbbg]

How you have lived in this life will determine your choices when you eventually pass and are faced with these choices......

Look within your self and the way you have lived your life and you will know how easy your decision will be..... Ain't free will a bitch...:)

[Nathalie]

I'm not saying I don't believe, I'm just saying "What if". I like to question everyone and myself and my beliefs. It's annoying, I get it. And gold glitter rocks, but I've never heard of it either.

[phillipbbg]

It interest me that it has to be GOLD... why not green trees or what ever.... its all symbolism... like I say what you do in the present is what resounds through time past , present and future.

[Billy]

How you have lived in this life will determine your choices when you eventually pass and are faced with these choices......

Look within your self and the way you have lived your life and you will know how easy your decision will be..... Ain't free will a bitch...:)

I agree with you. Whatever belief system we have chosen to manifest on earth,is what we manifest when we walk through the other side of the doorway after life. I think the reason we have the problem with the recycling of souls has more to do with our earthly phyical or material attachments while we journey here on earth.

OK there maybe a soul catcher or false while light after we pass, but that catcher can only hold you if you have not released all the physical/material attachments here on earth. If your attachments are earth bound then you return to earth. If you have created a belief system where you embraced the bigger universal picture. Have lived a life with acts of kindness, And have the knowledge that we all belong to the universal family. Then you will see what you have manifested within your belief system.

The reason that the PTW continue to recycle their souls within their so called pure blood line family,They try to hold on to their attachments of money/greed, power and control of humanity this is because that is what they choose to believe therefore they manifest this recycling time after time, never moving forward.

Live well, Have fun with acts of kindness, have no judgements or attachments, think of the bigger universal picture and embrace the universal family. Then you will be able to choose where you will be after you walk through that door.

[Realeyes]

Brilliant thread Ktlight! I so love your mind!

Thank you for being so courageous in sharing an Initiate’s secret about the truth of the white Light Tunnel! I too have found the same outrageous truths in my own out of body experiences – the deception gets so big. Well done for putting it into words so eloquently!

I also have something I would like to share on this exceptionally vital topic, but cannot find the right words at the moment. This thread has made my day, it is rare to meet others who have discovered this calibre of knowledge. :hug::rapture:

[Carmody]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?5402-Soul-harvester

Try to read it to the very end before you decide to post.

[Carmen]

I think the controllers/religions have done a great job!!!! in scaring the bejesus out of us if we stray off "their" line. e.g. the boogie man has been taught to kids from day one in many forms. Soul harvesting is another one. Fear based!! Whatever 'their" plans are, once a person is awake and aware they are plugging into an evolutionary progress that thwarts any sort of 'harvesting' I have no doubt that the creeps that have controlled this planet for far too long have some sort of dastardly plans to do all sorts of ghastly things to fearfull, victumized humans. Once a person is on their 'soul journey' they are beyond control. Its important to expand "out of" the first three levels of consciousness, which in short are; sex, pain and power. At the fourth level of unconditional love, beyond duality, we are definitely on our way.

[Tane Mahuta]

If ''satan'' is the lord of this world, wouldn't that suggest that this is hell?
It certainly looks like it to me.


Hi Sid! This wouldn't be a hell if you worship "Satan". But in saying this, in one way you are correct.

TM

[Tigressa]

The white light? I thought it was yourself.
"O nobly-born, when thy body and mind were separating, thou must have experienced a glimpse of the Pure Truth, subtle, sparkling, bright, dazzling, glorious, and radiantly awesome, in appearance like a mirage moving across a landscape in spring-time in one continuous stream of vibrations. Be not daunted thereby, nor terrified, nor awed. That is the radiance of thine own true nature. Recognize it." The Tibetan Book of the Dead.

[BonnieS]

Thank you Ktlight. I agree with your enlightening Quote. I believe we began as spiritual beings somewhat naive, but possessing great energy. But we misused this energy and were captured and made less effective and to forget our native abilities. Thus returning to the physical universe and planet Earth as we were programmed. So now, as you advise, head for the "gold" light.

[Finefeather]

Wow, this is an old thread...
There is no golden light next to a white light when you die. The idea of been trapped into a cycle of reincarnation if you enter the white light is just plain ignorant and untrue. There are no traps anywhere to capture you, there is no one out to get you when you die to force you to do anything, you are free. Only your own preconceived ideas may present some difficulty, but there is always help.
The tunnel and white light that we experience is actually the great in-breath which takes place when the 3D consciousness retracts into the monad or higher self.
The further we go into it the greater becomes our consciousness and memory of our other lives and the more we understand the meaning of life.
The tunnel we experience is the layers of realm which we pass through towards the centre of our being, the home of our true self, the Spiritual Being.
The white light is the point of singularity or centre of the Spiritual Being, the real you, which is pure light. Just like the quantum particle.
Love to all
Ray

[bearcow]

The white light that people see at the time of death is the the Akasha, the fifth element. End of story.

Like finefeather said with different words, it is the recapitulation of the soul into the higher self, or spirit

Not everybody sees it, depending on their karma

Sometimes it amazes me on the amount of sheer paranoia that is propagated as "truth" on this forum.

Many of you are literally, your own worst enemy

[observer]

Click-on forwarding icon to see Finefeather's comment #35.

Au contrair, mon ami, Finefeather.

The evidence simply does not support your interpretation.


Click on forwarding icon to see ktlight's Opening Post comment.

Thank you ktlight for this most unexposed revelation.

For those members wishing to do further research into what the Opening Post is reporting, I offer a "repaired" link to the source material:

http://www.near-death-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1762

For those members wishing further insight into this subject, it would be advisable to read the entire thread from the "Near-Death and the Afterlife Discussion Forums", and pay particular attention to the comments within the thread posted by Martin Gman.

If one looks at the several mile high tower (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/01archives/Soul_Catcher_Moon.htm)on the 'Dark Side of the Moon', and then researches what Dr Joseph Farrell is saying about the "Grid of the Gods", one will quickly realize this telepathically implanted thought process has been going-on for a very long time.... possibly all the way back to the Dawn of Man.

I, personally, have been aware of the "Golden Light of Love" for quite some time. It has been my interpretation from the available evidence that the "White Light" is a trap.

This "trap" is manipulated from an antenna on the Moon that dates back into remote antiquity. The "grid of the gods" matrix that exists on this planet was erected to work in conjunction with this "soul catcher" antenna on the Moon.

The modern evolution of this matrix is the H.A.A.R.P. program and all the associated cell towers distributed about the globe.

Further Research:
For a greater understanding of what the Moon actually is:
David Icke: Truth Frequency Radio Interview - "The Moon Matrix":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JjjaL23nGU
(Pay particular attention to what David is saying at about the 43 minute mark)

For an overview of this well documented 'Grid Matrix, and a greater understanding as to why it was erected:
Dr. Joseph P. Farrell: 4 Part Interview on "The Grid of the Gods":
Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMk1k-AD25Y
(Follow the other parts in YouTube)

If one applies the information David Icke is reporting, to the evidence that Joseph Farrell is exposing, one can clearly see this system dates back to the Dawn of Man.

Take a listen to what Robert Morningsky has been saying about the 'White Light':

Robert Morningsky: "The Terra Papers, The Real Star Wars":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTUuQtwAomM
(Listen to what Morningsky is saying around the seven minute mark)

[zenith]

There's nothing I doubt more than someone elses opinion about
what exists between myself and the essence of my being.


Peace

[ED209]

I am definitely going into white light if it means that I will be reincarnated. Life here is so interesting. I don't want the gold glitter constant state of bliss that you are talking about. A constant state of anything sounds so boring. And after a while, the constant bliss would lose its potency and not really seem all that blissful anymore, but rather mundane. An eternity of mundane is not for me. Reincarnation offers both ups and downs, good and bad experiences, but it is only through the bad experiences that we can appreciate the good. I would rather take my reincarnation chances on love, friendship, trees, oceans, animals, compassion, and learning new things than wander into the glitter place.

[Finefeather]

I was hunting high and low for a suitable video and found this which I thought would be a good one for this thread.
Real people telling their story,...not stories from those who's sole purpose in life is to place fear into our lives.

Love to All
Ray


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=A292PF-bseA#!

[778 neighbour of some guy]

I was hunting high and low for a suitable video and found this which I thought would be a good one for this thread.
Real people telling their story,...not stories from those who's sole purpose in life is to place fear into our lives.

Love to All
Ray

That was very comforting, thank you for posting it Ray.

Edgar

[observer]

I was hunting high and low for a suitable video and found this which I thought would be a good one for this thread.
Real people telling their story,...not stories from those who's sole purpose in life is to place fear into our lives.

Love to All
Ray


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=A292PF-bseA#!

Ray, my brother,

Since you and I have only been interacting for a short while, I'll grant you the benefit of the doubt where it comes to making comments filled with subjective 'witnessing'.

I am well aware of most of what you comment on, as I spent the best part of my adult life (well over 30 years) pursuing the knowledge to be found within the Astral, or more appropriately, the Akashic Records. I too, was once an adherent 'believer' in the telepathically transmitted message, so you can't possibly show me anything that is new and revolutionary when it comes to 'witnessing' for the cause.

About twenty years ago, I began pursuing 'objective' evidence that would confirm the primordial message contained within the 'channeled' communication, i.e. "There is a Bright New Dawn" just over the horizon. (or, any of the many convoluted reinterpretations of this primordial message found within the theologies of the ages)

After over twenty years of searching for objective evidence, I can report to you, there is none to support your hypothesis.

Everything concerning telepathically transmitted thoughts is 'subjective'. These 'witnessing' stories are all a wonderful way to support your theology, but they offer no foundational evidence that the message is Truth. All these testimonies do is support one's faith.

I could show a vast display of 'objective' evidence that supports the hypothesis: "the Astral is controlled, hyperdimensionally, by a matrix". This conclusion would be an interpretation, therefore also, subjective. However, the majority of evidence available, dating all the way back into antiquity, supports the understanding that this particular three dimensional reality has been manipulated (controlled) by hyperdimensional entities, since the Dawn of Man.

One can contort this very real evidence any way one wishes, the fact still remains the Human Species has been controlled.


I was hunting high and low for a suitable video and found this which I thought would be a good one for this thread.
Real people telling their story,...not stories from those who's sole purpose in life is to place fear into our lives.
[emphasis added by observer]
Love to All
Ray




Living in a state of 'warm-and-fuzzy' may be the objective of many members, here on Avalon. However, in my humble opinion, Avalon is about revelation.

After well over ten thousand years of obscene control, it is now time to put an end to failed theologies. It is my objective to present this alternative point of view to a membership that seems perfectly content to ignore this trail of evidence, and remain asleep to these issues - the precise agenda of those hyperdimensional entities who are manipulating the Astral, so to confuse the Masses.

In conclusion to your reply to comment #37 , I simply say: show me the evidence as was done in the research offered in the comment you are replying to.

[Akasha]

A rather more down to Earth answer to the thread question may be Rick Strassman's theory of a massive amount of DMT being secreted by the pineal gland at or near the point of death.

From Wiki:

Dr. Rick Strassman, while conducting DMT research in the 1990s at the University of New Mexico, advanced the controversial hypothesis that a massive release of DMT from the pineal gland prior to death or near death was the cause of the near death experience (NDE) phenomenon. Several of his test subjects reported NDE-like audio or visual hallucinations. His explanation for this was the possible lack of panic involved in the clinical setting and possible dosage differences between those administered and those encountered in actual NDE cases. Several subjects also reported contact with 'other beings', alien like, insectoid or reptilian in nature, in highly advanced technological environments[13] where the subjects were 'carried,' 'probed,' 'tested,' 'manipulated,' 'dismembered,' 'taught,' 'loved,' and even 'raped' by these 'beings.' Basing his reasoning on his belief that all the enzymatic material needed to produce DMT is found in the pineal gland (see evidence in mammals), and moreover in substantially greater concentrations than in any other part of the body, Strassman ([13] p. 69) has speculated that DMT is made in the pineal gland. Currently there is no published reliable scientific evidence supporting this hypothesis and as such, it is merely a hypothesis.

Apologies if this is at odds with the flavour of the OP.

[heyokah]

I was hunting high and low for a suitable video and found this which I thought would be a good one for this thread.
Real people telling their story,...not stories from those who's sole purpose in life is to place fear into our lives.

Love to All
Ray


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=A292PF-bseA#!

Ray, my brother,

Since you and I have only been interacting for a short while, I'll grant you the benefit of the doubt where it comes to making comments filled with subjective 'witnessing'.

I am well aware of most of what you comment on, as I spent the best part of my adult life (well over 30 years) pursuing the knowledge to be found within the Astral, or more appropriately, the Akashic Records. I too, was once an adherent 'believer' in the telepathically transmitted message, so you can't possibly show me anything that is new and revolutionary when it comes to 'witnessing' for the cause.

About twenty years ago, I began pursuing 'objective' evidence that would confirm the primordial message contained within the 'channeled' communication, i.e. "There is a Bright New Dawn" just over the horizon. (or, any of the many convoluted reinterpretations of this primordial message found within the theologies of the ages)

After over twenty years of searching for objective evidence, I can report to you, there is none to support your hypothesis.

Everything concerning telepathically transmitted thoughts is 'subjective'. These 'witnessing' stories are all a wonderful way to support your theology, but they offer no foundational evidence that the message is Truth. All these testimonies do is support one's faith.

I could show a vast display of 'objective' evidence that supports the hypothesis: "the Astral is controlled, hyperdimensionally, by a matrix". This conclusion would be an interpretation, therefore also, subjective. However, the majority of evidence available, dating all the way back into antiquity, supports the understanding that this particular three dimensional reality has been manipulated (controlled) by hyperdimensional entities, since the Dawn of Man.

One can contort this very real evidence any way one wishes, the fact still remains the Human Species has been controlled.


I was hunting high and low for a suitable video and found this which I thought would be a good one for this thread.
Real people telling their story,...not stories from those who's sole purpose in life is to place fear into our lives.
[emphasis added by observer]
Love to All
Ray




Living in a state of 'warm-and-fuzzy' may be the objective of many members, here on Avalon. However, in my humble opinion, Avalon is about revelation.

After well over ten thousand years of obscene control, it is now time to put an end to failed theologies. It is my objective to present this alternative point of view to a membership that seems perfectly content to ignore this trail of evidence, and remain asleep to these issues - the precise agenda of those hyperdimensional entities who are manipulating the Astral, so to confuse the Masses.

In conclusion to your reply to comment #37 , I simply say: show me the evidence as was done in the research offered in the comment you are replying to.



Talking about the battle of our souls, listen to Sun Tzu.

-So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.

-If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.

-If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.

[sdv]

There are scientists who insist that NDEs are simply brain function as we die, but they have not been able to prove this, nor have they been able to explain those experiences that do not fit their hypothesis:

Here's a video (the beginning is a bit flaky but it gets much better) that looks at the science, and the questions that science cannot answer (the Pam Reynolds story is inexplicable):

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Dr Eben Alexander (a neurosurgeon) had an experience during a coma that he could not explain with all his scientific knowledge of the brain. This is a transcipt of an interview with him (scroll down and you will find the audio). What he does not say in the interview is that he found out after he woke up that the woman he saw was his sister, whom he had never met nor had ever seen a photograph of (he had been adopted and only found his birth family after she had died). I highly recommend this interview as an intriguing explanation (as best as we can in human terms) of consciousness.

http://www.skeptiko.com/154-neurosurgeon-dr-eben-alexander-near-death-experience/

I have become intrigued not about the similarities in NDE experiences but in the differences, because I think that sometimes the real useful information is in anomalies.

Enjoy!

[sdv]

So, is the white light good or bad? Maybe there is no such thing as good and bad after death, but just what we choose to believe and experience.

[avid]

ahhh - back to the giant tower/statue on the moon..? (observer)
and back to this wonderful colourful film
O6ggirhnTm4
enjoy again....
as for the white light - for me - any light would be a blessingl :-)

[sdv]

I found an account of a woman who had an NDE and did not experience the white light or the tunnel (she saw a golden light). She was not religious or spiritual, and was surprised to meet Jesus in the golden light. She said something olong the lines of 'This is a mistake. I am not one of yours'! He replied something along the lines of 'But I am one of yours'.

Her account perhaps supports two hypotheses:

1 It was a real experience. If the NDE was a hallucination caused by the dying brain and the release of DMT, she would not have seen Jesus as this was not part of her belief system.

2 It was a real experience, but a trap to send her back to a prison planet. The form of Jesus was used to communicate with her because she would be more likely to accept it as a real experience of death.

Whatever ... not everyone does see the white light or even the tunnel, so I think we are missing the point when we say that the white light is bad and the golden yellow is good (getting caught up in details and not understanding the experience).

:rapture:

[Tony]

So-called death.

This is a very brief account from the Tibetan Buddhist point of view...it's quite colourful! Facing death and beyond is really a psychological event, it is as natural as birth, so that's ok.

What we call death is called Bardo in Tibetan, meaning gap..in between. There is the bardo experience happening all the time - it's part of our psychological make-up. We see life as one continuous event. 'This is my life'. But it's more like a cine film with individual frames, held together by karma. Karma is the glue that holds it all together, maintained be 'consciousness' at a gross level. Each moment there is a gap for a new life, but we hold on dearly to what we think we are because we are used to it. It's so familiar it seems real...!?

There are six psychological profiles for sentient beings: human, animal, hungry ghost, jealous God and God realm. These are attitudes we hold. Each has both a wisdom style and neurotic style.

There are six major bardo moments. Bardo of life, bardo of dying, bardo of after life, bardo of becoming, bardo of dream and the bardo of meditation.

Depending on the training one has done in one's life time will dictate what is recognised in the bardo states. This is why repetition of practice is so important. These bardo moments are moments one can recognise one true nature and become enlightened. Or, go to a higher realm to complete training. Or, which is what normally happens to sentient beings, we fear the bright lights and try to escape them, not being able to face the truth.

The so-called death period lasts for up to 49 days or seven weeks more or less. Most of us are driven on by karma, our neurotic style. Practitioners recognise that all projections as have“NO” reality.

The basis of these six psychological profiles are buddhas wisdoms: they are your essence. But the profiles also have a negative side. These Buddhas are represented by deities of brilliant coloured lights. In the first week after death, each deity will come towards you as a light. These are of peaceful in appearance, and will invite you to recognise the projection as your true nature. If you recognise this, you will become a buddha. At the same time a soft coloured light of our neurosis will appear, but it is inviting you to the lower realm of the negative aspect of the deity.

In the second week the deities return in their wrathful aspect: this is intense love, to prevent you from becoming distracted. If you looked up Avalokiteshvara and Mahakala they are one and the same, the peaceful side and the wrathful side. You always have a choice. That's if you know you have a choice.

After that, it's a matter of choosing a new incarnation - but again, because we practised just reacting in life, we are driven on by our self imposed karma. It is said the precious human life is as difficult to achieve as a blind turtle coming up from the bottom of the ocean once every hundred years and sticking its head through a rubber ring floating on the surface.

You can now see why reacting through emotions: fear, pride, anger, jealousy, desire and ignorance can cause us much suffering and little or no control.

What we have to see is that this so-called death process is happening all the time, and it is our consciousness that is holding this illusion together.




Tony

[Hermite]

True story. A friend of mine's mother passed away last year. The woman had 12 children who mostly all live in town here and her husband had passed 10 years ago. His name was Alfred. The woman was in failing health and was in hospital and unconscious. Three of her daughters were at her bedside. She suddenly sat up, eyes wide open, and said, "Alfred! I'm coming." Then she fell back and was gone. So, I don't know about lights but evidently loved ones are there for you. Gives me hope.

[eileenrose]

re: "Depending on the training one has done in one's life time will dictate what is recognised in the bardo states. This is why repetition of practice is so important. These bardo moments are moments one can recognise one true nature and become enlightened. Or, go to a higher realm to complete training. Or, which is what normally happens to sentient beings, we fear the bright lights and try to escape them, not being able to face the truth." (Pie, 2 posts above)

Very true (though bardo isn't a term I am use to using and repetition of what practice Pie? I assume (for me anyway) become awake and aware here on earth).

I did have several interesting experiences. For example, I helped a man cross over when I was younger in Bali (no doctor's available to help him....3rd world hospitals are nuts). He felt fear (overriding fear) and I helped as best I could, from this side. I even felt the fear he was generating a full hour after he had passed on and I had to leave the area he died in.....it was a very overriding feeling that I couldn't shake (you could sense it for a good couple of hundred yards in either direction....again...stuff no one wants to talk about....the locals hid and fled....didn't want any part of it.....finally....after he was very dead, an ambulance showed up.....or what they refer to as one.....god help anyone who lives there).

[Vitalux]

This is a really interesting thread and I am glad that I took the time to read it.
I spent about 24 hours pondering about it before I replied.

I don't see this dimension as a bad place, but rather a great spot to gain a heck of a lot of experience from.:bathbaby:
How could we really understand how to interact with other individual entities, such as ourselves, if we never really had a chance to discover between cause and affect by the experience of it.

I was thinking about this while I was waiting for a friend in a parked car.
If we are being subjected to some kind of abduction by gray aliens, than where is really the forced labor? If there is, they are doing a darn good job at keeping us living high on the hog.:tea:

I see that through mutual cooperation we build and learn to interact effectively for a common goal.
Rather that goal be for clean water, a swimming pool, a pizza or a new car.

Myself, I can appreciate that some kind of entity went to a lot of work to make this place livable for us.
Speaking for myself, I don't need to work, I get paid to do nothing but discover both the external world and my internal world.:hippie:


I have encountered enough spirituality by first hand experience that I am aware we are a "soul" that just happens to temporarily trapped (with amnesia) in a physical body.

However, if I am able I plan to avoid jumping into the white light when my soul makes it final leap from this meat sack. :angel: I would prefer to study this dimension thing for a bit.
Perhaps even study it from the ground up.
After all, if I get bored, I know I can always jump into the white light.
I am just not so sure that once I jump into the white light, I am able to jump back out very easy.

The hardest part of my conscious soul living in this body is my lack of free will and ignorance while I experience things from this perspective.:tsk:

[observer]

ahhh - back to the giant tower/statue on the moon..? (observer)
and back to this wonderful colourful film
O6ggirhnTm4
enjoy again....
as for the white light - for me - any light would be a blessingl :-)

Thank you avid,
....for showing the members this extremely relevant video. If any member wishes to view the point I was attempting to make in comment #37, slide the timer in avid's video over to the 49 minute mark.

For those members wishing to view the evidence I presented in comment #37, click here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?26572-What-is-the-White-Light-we-see-when-we-die&p=564689&viewfull=1#post564689).

Here's an additional short video for the members to review that is narrated by Richard Hoagland:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_4lH_tsac4
Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_4lH_tsac4

Please take note:

Our Solar System is strewn with ancient artifacts dating far-back, before our records of civilization began.

The evidence supports a telepathic manipulation of thought running concurrent with every known civilization discovered on this planet - to date. These telepathic manipulations are no different than the RF mind control operations that are being reported contemporarily.

These modern techniques are nothing more than ancient technology morphed into our present era.

For further evidence of these conclusions, see here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50407-GFL-channel-Greg-Giles-admits-he-was-scammed&p=566084&viewfull=1#post566084).

....and, here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50407-GFL-channel-Greg-Giles-admits-he-was-scammed&p=562264&viewfull=1#post562264).

In summation:

There is not a shard of 'objective' evidence to support the claim from any of Humanity's Theologies that there is a wonderful eternity awaiting any individual - if only one would believe. This summation includes all of Humanity's Theologies. I'm not limiting this observation to only a few theologies.

On the contrary, the available evidence suggests an eternity, including an a$$-biting-loop of birth-death-rebirth - here within this particular reality. The evidence suggests an hyperdimensional manipulation of our reality through the clever manipulation of thought using physics we are just now (within the past 100 years) rediscovering. Or, dare I say, we are being redirected to.

No one alive on this planet today can report having gone to a separate reality, spent an eternity there, and then returned to this place of Obscene Evil for any sort of pleasurable visit. No one can make that claim and offer 'objective' evidence to support such an assertion.

If one doesn't believe what I'm reporting.... If one doesn't have a moment of doubt regarding their theology, than ask that Iraqi mother, sitting in the bombed-out rubble of her home, holding the lifeless body of her dead infant.... ask her if she feels as though her thoughts created her present reality.

I'm suggesting we live within a controlled matrix. I'm suggesting there is no escape (with little exception) from this matrix until the entire Mass of Humanity wakes-up to the control mechanism binding our eternal souls to this matrix.

Only by shining a light on this control mechanism can the Mass of Humanity ever hope to ascend out of this obscenity.

As a footnote to all those members expressing what a wonderful place this particular reality is, and those expressing a desire to return - given the option - I would only reiterate: there is no guarantee the next time back will not be just as much a nightmare, as this time around was a pleasure for you.... like that Iraqi mother....

[mahalall]

Hopefully, for many the final dying process is one we have come to develop acceptance too, so can pass with peace. Observations note that those who have lived with this wisdom, their light pass's out softly.

It is for those that face death through acute trauma that can be overwhelmed by the surge of nora/adrenaline, endorphine's and tryptamine enzymes which cause a powerful surge of energy (described as light).

An intriguing aspect of this, is the effect it has on those who are present, (present: momentary awareness with close contact)
One gets flashes of your own karmic imprint For good or for bad it can be quite shocking!

One can begin to understand why Bhamins/priests/occultist's should reframe from sacrificing humans (vedic purushamedha) because ultimately they will be empowering themselves to be seen in hell realms, a place such methods of insight belongs!



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purushamedha