Rothschild/Rockefeller Debt Crisis and the Popular Mandate

[Marsila]

An interesting perspective.

http://www.moneyteachers.org/Debt+Ceiling+Popular+Mandate.html



The Psychopaths know one thing for certain. we outnumber them 100:1. To keep us in line they use forced choices and the popular mandate. A popular mandate is a very powerful tool. It means we beg them to implement one of their solutions instead of implementing one of our own.

In order to arrive at a Popular Mandate they use opinion polls, media shills and fear mongering. The current debt crisis is a case in point. Now they have presented us with two manufactured solutions that are equally evil.

1. Raise the debt ceiling, destroy our credit rating, trigger inflation and higher interest rates to ultimately crash the economy.

2. Default on our debt payments and crash the economy right now.


Of course the American people will choose the lesser of two evils, and Congress will vote to raise the debt ceiling in the next few days, as I predicted they would when this whole manufactured crisis began. Only now, they will do it with the full support of the American people, or a popular mandate.

Americans need to understand that the Satanic Psychopaths created the current crisis through a combination of extremely loose credit, hedge funds and equity swaps. The banksters created massive amounts of consumer, commercial and mortage debt by ignoring the borrowers ability to pay, true value of the underlying assets, and over-all credit worthiness. Here is how the greatest theft in American history was carried out:

1. The Rothschild/Rockefellert Federal Reserve loosened interest rates, borrowing guidelines and capital requirements. Anyone that had a body temperature over 97 degrees was permitted to borrow more money than they could ever possibly repay. They knew that when they lent the money, it would never be repaid.

2. Banks, like Wells Fargo, sold the worthless paper to Hedge Funds like Mitt Romney's "Bain Capital". Probably at a discount.

3. Bain Capital and other Hedge Funds "swapped" the worthless paper, that never had a chance of being repaid, with Rothschild and Rockefeller controlled mutual funds, ETFs, Pension Plans and Insurance Companies. Companies that were once solid entities gave up real-estate, cash and other assets in exchange for the "toxic debt".

4. The Rothschild/Rockefeller owned Federal Reserve then raised interest rates to trigger the toxic side of these toxic assets. Now, mortgages and other investments that never had a chance of being repaid in the first place, went so far underwater that it was guaranteed that they would never see daylight. Borrowers began to default.

5. The American consumer was further savaged by opening up our borders to a flood of illegal immigrants to lower our incomes and guarantee our inability to pay.

6. Globalism was the nail in the coffin. By sending American jobs overseas, and flooding American retail establishments with cheap imported goods, the Psychopaths and their Globalist Allies reduced the standard of living in America to second world status.

7. Americas economy has functioned on credit card debt, unemployment checks, and government jobs ever since. As American citizens try to maintain a standard of living that their parents and grandparents were accustomed to, they go deeper into debt to the Rockefellers, Rothschilds and other Satanic Psychopaths..


The Solution is Clear:

1. The right thing to do is repudiate the interest on the debt, and any debts owed directy to the Federal Reserve bank. Since our Congressman are either bought off or being blackmailed for Bohemian Grove types of activities, this will never happen.

2. The remaining debt should be refinanced by a real Bank of the United States that is actually owned by the American Taxpayer, not a private corporation like the Fed.

3. Since a real Bank of the United States owned by the American Taxpayer would not pay interest to itself, and print an interest free currency, the United States could be in the black in a few short years.

4. Tariffs would need to be re-enacted so America could rebuild its manufacturing and retail base without having to compete with Third-world sweat shops that rely on virtual slave labor.

5. Illegal Immigrants would have to be expelled from the country and our military force would need to be brought home from North Korea to protect America's Borders.


This my friends is the Drockton Plan for Future Prosperity. It would involve driving out the Traitors and Parasites, or simply setting up a separate Republic free from their influence. Gold and silver as currency would be a further step towards decentralizing the money power, and placing it back into the hands of the people.

[pyriel]

The only real problem I see is at the end of the post.. The gold and silver part. You'll get rid of one group of Psychopaths that deal with paper money but create a new group of Psychopaths that will do the same with gold and silver forms of currency. Get rid of any form of currency permanently and you permanently remove that group of Psychopaths.

Similiar to the saying "Dont bite the hand that feeds you" Dont feed new forms of currency to a system that will bite you. (sooner or later)..... As of right now tho, the people do need to bite the hand that feeds them and damn hard at that.

[Camilo]

Sunday, July 31, 2011

More on Unconditional Acceptance
Many of you are unable to accept my teaching about loving those that are the most difficult to love. As a consequence, I have made the decision to continue this conversation. Not to condemn this way of thinking, but to help those chelas who can ascend to do so.

Polarity is the nature of duality. Good-bad, wrong-right, dark-light, etc. are all opinions from the human condition. Seeing the world in this way has its energy creating component, and this keeps man's opinions at this level of awareness. When a more expansive point of view is achieved, the same situation can be perceived in a different way. No longer is the one creating the difficulties considered to be the opposing counterpart to the one observing. Challenges are now seen as part of the human dance for growth in awareness. Those who deliver them are now viewed as givers of more than the difficulty – they are considered bringers of the next opportunity.

It may still appear that something dark has attacked you, but this is now considered an opportunity, not an outrageous act of corruption. Is there evil in the human experience? Yes – from one level of awareness there is. But the very same incident can be a gift of divine grace to those who are at a higher level of understanding.

I have often mentioned the controllers and the dark entities that are manipulating man's environment. I can see how the mention of these things would make it appear as though I considered their mode of existence to be evil. As I have never explained my own point of view, only mentioned them in the way that those in the lowest level of awareness could accept their existence, I must now tell you that the appearance of these actors in your drama comes with no criticism in my observation. Calling them controllers is merely my way of delineating the role they are cast in.

Yes, the controllers are destroying all things considered important to man. Why? So man can become more caring, more aware and more God-like in his energetic design. Opposing or controlling the controllers has never been an option, nor an outcome of raising man's consciousness. Only this type of control of human destiny can deliver the mature soul to ascension, because a mature soul can come to accept that God is the creator of everything, including the controllers.

After the negative attitudes AGAINST the dark are disolved, a new awareness develops, one that includes the ability to love the essence of all beings, irregardless of their behavior. Self love is accepting the dark in oneself. Unconditional love is giving love to all, no matter what.

Unconditional love is the light we talk about. Conditions on love dim that light. Are the conditions from dark creations dimming your light? Are you angry about the controllers? Anger dims your light. Are you afraid of the future? Fear dims your light.

Giving acceptance to all of God's creations leads to ascension. Can you accept the fact that God is behind the actions of the controllers? God is the creator of every part of the human drama – and each body is an integral aspect of this creation. Those learning how to love unconditionally are receiving many opportunities to choose love over the other attitudes that these conditions can evoke.

Portions of human memory include devastation and manipulations in man's drama. Once again, this is occurring, because man needs this devastation to learn about his True Nature - unconditional love. All who consider themselves too good to accept the dark behaviors of others are denying the negativity in their own acts of divisiveness. All negative thoughts against any other person, place or thing are creating negative energy.

Masters do not decide if the action of another is acceptable or unacceptable. They ask themselves: "What in me needs to be addressed?" If they are feeling negative about anything, they look inside themselves for the cause of that discomfort, they do not get angry at the one who has triggered these feelings. All uncomfortable feelings are an opportunity to discover the truth of a situation. Walking away, avoiding confrontation, acting above the situation, etc., all cause disharmony in one's energy field. Being clear about how one is feeling, and turning a discomfort into a healing, is the way of Mastery.

Please negate these negative attitudes against the controllers. Begin to observe how your own negative attitudes dim your light when you learn about their actions. Observe this, then drop the negativity. Your new inner attitudes will be the gateway to ascension.

I AM THAT I AM
Ascended Master Saint Germain
Channeled by Aruna

[ThePythonicCow]

Get rid of any form of currency permanently and you permanently remove that group of Psychopaths.
Does ceasing to eat cure all disease?

A form of currency is essential to complex economic activity.

Without it, trade mostly just happens between those we personally know well enough to trust (perhaps a couple hundred), and our civilization (and current human population) collapse.

[pyriel]

Get rid of any form of currency permanently and you permanently remove that group of Psychopaths.
Does ceasing to eat cure all disease?

A form of currency is essential to complex economic activity.

Without it, trade mostly just happens between those we personally know well enough to trust (perhaps a couple hundred), and our civilization (and current human population) collapse.

First is a tough one cause if you eat crap, you'll feel and look like crap. *you are what you eat* Ceasing to eat *may* cure all disease. There is the story of the man who hasnt ate or drank anything for 70+ yrs tho I do not know how often he gets sick, if at all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMLFLhw3UGs&feature=related
There was a recent post about him on the forums. They talk alittle about sun gazing also and there was a post on that recently also.

Currency isnt essential. If what Alex Collier says is true that most if not all ET races dont use any form of currency then why do we have too. To say what he has said before, "Why do we have to pay to live on a planet we were born on"
I think Currency is another form of Fear Mongering. This is seen daily. People fearing losing they're homes or they're car,trucks etc and many other things cause of not having the money to pay they're car loans or other bills..... So this form of Fear Mongering is ok?

I would agree with the last part. Sadly alot of people I think would only trade with only people they know unless someone or family was in severe need of food. Then I think they would help them. I dont think people are that damn cruel to turn them away. Now the thing is, you'll know people which in turn know people which in turn again, know people and on and on and on... So it's a toss up really. I dont really see a collapse happening. If there was one, I think it would be extremely small unlike what would likely happen with a dark star coming pass the earth. Then you'd see a huge fall.

Then again, who knows. We all are learning.

[GCS1103]

Sunday, July 31, 2011

More on Unconditional Acceptance
Many of you are unable to accept my teaching about loving those that are the most difficult to love. As a consequence, I have made the decision to continue this conversation. Not to condemn this way of thinking, but to help those chelas who can ascend to do so.

Polarity is the nature of duality. Good-bad, wrong-right, dark-light, etc. are all opinions from the human condition. Seeing the world in this way has its energy creating component, and this keeps man's opinions at this level of awareness. When a more expansive point of view is achieved, the same situation can be perceived in a different way. No longer is the one creating the difficulties considered to be the opposing counterpart to the one observing. Challenges are now seen as part of the human dance for growth in awareness. Those who deliver them are now viewed as givers of more than the difficulty – they are considered bringers of the next opportunity.

It may still appear that something dark has attacked you, but this is now considered an opportunity, not an outrageous act of corruption. Is there evil in the human experience? Yes – from one level of awareness there is. But the very same incident can be a gift of divine grace to those who are at a higher level of understanding.

I have often mentioned the controllers and the dark entities that are manipulating man's environment. I can see how the mention of these things would make it appear as though I considered their mode of existence to be evil. As I have never explained my own point of view, only mentioned them in the way that those in the lowest level of awareness could accept their existence, I must now tell you that the appearance of these actors in your drama comes with no criticism in my observation. Calling them controllers is merely my way of delineating the role they are cast in.

Yes, the controllers are destroying all things considered important to man. Why? So man can become more caring, more aware and more God-like in his energetic design. Opposing or controlling the controllers has never been an option, nor an outcome of raising man's consciousness. Only this type of control of human destiny can deliver the mature soul to ascension, because a mature soul can come to accept that God is the creator of everything, including the controllers.

After the negative attitudes AGAINST the dark are disolved, a new awareness develops, one that includes the ability to love the essence of all beings, irregardless of their behavior. Self love is accepting the dark in oneself. Unconditional love is giving love to all, no matter what.

Unconditional love is the light we talk about. Conditions on love dim that light. Are the conditions from dark creations dimming your light? Are you angry about the controllers? Anger dims your light. Are you afraid of the future? Fear dims your light.

Giving acceptance to all of God's creations leads to ascension. Can you accept the fact that God is behind the actions of the controllers? God is the creator of every part of the human drama – and each body is an integral aspect of this creation. Those learning how to love unconditionally are receiving many opportunities to choose love over the other attitudes that these conditions can evoke.

Portions of human memory include devastation and manipulations in man's drama. Once again, this is occurring, because man needs this devastation to learn about his True Nature - unconditional love. All who consider themselves too good to accept the dark behaviors of others are denying the negativity in their own acts of divisiveness. All negative thoughts against any other person, place or thing are creating negative energy.

Masters do not decide if the action of another is acceptable or unacceptable. They ask themselves: "What in me needs to be addressed?" If they are feeling negative about anything, they look inside themselves for the cause of that discomfort, they do not get angry at the one who has triggered these feelings. All uncomfortable feelings are an opportunity to discover the truth of a situation. Walking away, avoiding confrontation, acting above the situation, etc., all cause disharmony in one's energy field. Being clear about how one is feeling, and turning a discomfort into a healing, is the way of Mastery.

Please negate these negative attitudes against the controllers. Begin to observe how your own negative attitudes dim your light when you learn about their actions. Observe this, then drop the negativity. Your new inner attitudes will be the gateway to ascension.

I AM THAT I AM
Ascended Master Saint Germain
Channeled by Aruna

Hi, Camilo-

I would like to thank you for your interpretation of what is happening in our world. I will admit that I have not "ascended" so I'm not sure if I understand you correctly. Are you saying that God is behind all of these calamities and evils so that we, as humans, can get to a point where we have no anger or resentment towards those people that have made living on this planet a hellish place? That we have to accept what they have done to us with unconditional love towards them and that if we ascend we will see that they are not evil, but part of our spiritual growth? Am I interpreting what you are saying properly?

I'm not being flippant or sarcastic with you. I'm seriously trying to see if I am reading your post correctly. Is it your belief that there are no truly evil "beings" or "entities" behind our misery? If not, who decided to put a very tiny percentage at the top of the pole to rule over the rest of us with no thought of the human suffering going on around the globe and why would we embrace this? You are a very unique person that you are able to look around and see this as nothing more than our growing process. I'm a simple, unascended person who is much too jaded to unconditionally love the bankers, politicians and arrogant rulers of our planet.

I wish we could all be like you, on a different level of awareness, so that we could wake up every morning and look forward to a wonderful day.

[pyriel]

I question a very small part of Camilo's post. That is...

"Giving acceptance to all of God's creations leads to ascension. Can you accept the fact that God is behind the actions of the controllers? God is the creator of every part of the human drama – and each body is an integral aspect of this creation. Those learning how to love unconditionally are receiving many opportunities to choose love over the other attitudes that these conditions can evoke."

If God is behind the actions of the "controllers" then isnt that interfering with the free will of the controllers and every human. Then isnt this "saint Germain" who is telling us how to act, be, live, etc interfering with the free will of all humans regardless if he is correct or not?

lol.. Yes, I'm probably not understanding it at all or reading into it why to much or something...

[ThePythonicCow]

Ceasing to eat *may* cure all disease. There is the story of the man who hasnt ate or drank anything for 70+ yrs tho I do not know how often he gets sick, if at all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMLFLhw3UGs&feature=related

Currency isnt essential. If what Alex Collier says is true that most if not all ET races dont use any form of currency then why do we have too.
There may be other ways of human existence, quite unknown to me, which don't require eating. However, I am confident that if I stopped eating, I'd die of starvation soon thereafter (not -that- soon, I have some "reserves" ;).)

There may be other ways of organizing a civilization and its economy that don't depend on some currency as a general purpose medium of exchange. However, I am confident that this human civilization, on this planet at this time, would collapse (quite literally starving billions, I suspect) if we eliminated monetary currencies outright.

In both cases, one must bring the new way of being, if such exists, into being, then let the old way "die on the vine". If you just eliminate the old before bringing into being the new, you end up with not much.

[Camilo]

I question a very small part of Camilo's post. That is...

"Giving acceptance to all of God's creations leads to ascension. Can you accept the fact that God is behind the actions of the controllers? God is the creator of every part of the human drama – and each body is an integral aspect of this creation. Those learning how to love unconditionally are receiving many opportunities to choose love over the other attitudes that these conditions can evoke."

If God is behind the actions of the "controllers" then isnt that interfering with the free will of the controllers and every human. Then isnt this "saint Germain" who is telling us how to act, be, live, etc interfering with the free will of all humans regardless if he is correct or not?

lol.. Yes, I'm probably not understanding it at all or reading into it why to much or something...

I wouldn't say Saint Germain is (interfering with our free will) telling us how to act, be or live, he's just offering us his perspective as an ascended master on what's currently going on on the planet, but it's entirely up to us what we want to do with it. I think we should ponder his words as food for thought.

[pyriel]

Yes I have "reserves" also

Good thing I never said to end currencies outright. The world would need time to get things setup and in position then to get rid of all currencies.

As above, Things would have to be setup, etc. I never said to outright change it. Yes I could have said that all this has to be set up, put in place, etc but this should be common knowledge.

[craig mitchell]

Camilo,
The part I don't get is when the "controllers" continue their "role", (given to them by God) on and on across vast experiences, and never tire or want to do something different no matter the opportunity to do so, to the point that they get called back to source and absorbed, deconstructed into nothingness out of which all of this is built, WHAT THEN? I think this happens, and so, I can't quite imagine that it's part of the Divine Plan that these souls don't learn and climb out of their assigned role that is a necessary construct for duality

Do you know what I mean, and am I missing something here?

Regards, Craig

[Camilo]

Sunday, July 31, 2011

More on Unconditional Acceptance
Many of you are unable to accept my teaching about loving those that are the most difficult to love. As a consequence, I have made the decision to continue this conversation. Not to condemn this way of thinking, but to help those chelas who can ascend to do so.

Polarity is the nature of duality. Good-bad, wrong-right, dark-light, etc. are all opinions from the human condition. Seeing the world in this way has its energy creating component, and this keeps man's opinions at this level of awareness. When a more expansive point of view is achieved, the same situation can be perceived in a different way. No longer is the one creating the difficulties considered to be the opposing counterpart to the one observing. Challenges are now seen as part of the human dance for growth in awareness. Those who deliver them are now viewed as givers of more than the difficulty – they are considered bringers of the next opportunity.

It may still appear that something dark has attacked you, but this is now considered an opportunity, not an outrageous act of corruption. Is there evil in the human experience? Yes – from one level of awareness there is. But the very same incident can be a gift of divine grace to those who are at a higher level of understanding.

I have often mentioned the controllers and the dark entities that are manipulating man's environment. I can see how the mention of these things would make it appear as though I considered their mode of existence to be evil. As I have never explained my own point of view, only mentioned them in the way that those in the lowest level of awareness could accept their existence, I must now tell you that the appearance of these actors in your drama comes with no criticism in my observation. Calling them controllers is merely my way of delineating the role they are cast in.

Yes, the controllers are destroying all things considered important to man. Why? So man can become more caring, more aware and more God-like in his energetic design. Opposing or controlling the controllers has never been an option, nor an outcome of raising man's consciousness. Only this type of control of human destiny can deliver the mature soul to ascension, because a mature soul can come to accept that God is the creator of everything, including the controllers.

After the negative attitudes AGAINST the dark are disolved, a new awareness develops, one that includes the ability to love the essence of all beings, irregardless of their behavior. Self love is accepting the dark in oneself. Unconditional love is giving love to all, no matter what.

Unconditional love is the light we talk about. Conditions on love dim that light. Are the conditions from dark creations dimming your light? Are you angry about the controllers? Anger dims your light. Are you afraid of the future? Fear dims your light.

Giving acceptance to all of God's creations leads to ascension. Can you accept the fact that God is behind the actions of the controllers? God is the creator of every part of the human drama – and each body is an integral aspect of this creation. Those learning how to love unconditionally are receiving many opportunities to choose love over the other attitudes that these conditions can evoke.

Portions of human memory include devastation and manipulations in man's drama. Once again, this is occurring, because man needs this devastation to learn about his True Nature - unconditional love. All who consider themselves too good to accept the dark behaviors of others are denying the negativity in their own acts of divisiveness. All negative thoughts against any other person, place or thing are creating negative energy.

Masters do not decide if the action of another is acceptable or unacceptable. They ask themselves: "What in me needs to be addressed?" If they are feeling negative about anything, they look inside themselves for the cause of that discomfort, they do not get angry at the one who has triggered these feelings. All uncomfortable feelings are an opportunity to discover the truth of a situation. Walking away, avoiding confrontation, acting above the situation, etc., all cause disharmony in one's energy field. Being clear about how one is feeling, and turning a discomfort into a healing, is the way of Mastery.

Please negate these negative attitudes against the controllers. Begin to observe how your own negative attitudes dim your light when you learn about their actions. Observe this, then drop the negativity. Your new inner attitudes will be the gateway to ascension.

I AM THAT I AM
Ascended Master Saint Germain
Channeled by Aruna

Hi, Camilo-

I would like to thank you for your interpretation of what is happening in our world. I will admit that I have not "ascended" so I'm not sure if I understand you correctly. Are you saying that God is behind all of these calamities and evils so that we, as humans, can get to a point where we have no anger or resentment towards those people that have made living on this planet a hellish place? That we have to accept what they have done to us with unconditional love towards them and that if we ascend we will see that they are not evil, but part of our spiritual growth? Am I interpreting what you are saying properly?

I'm not being flippant or sarcastic with you. I'm seriously trying to see if I am reading your post correctly. Is it your belief that there are no truly evil "beings" or "entities" behind our misery? If not, who decided to put a very tiny percentage at the top of the pole to rule over the rest of us with no thought of the human suffering going on around the globe and why would we embrace this? You are a very unique person that you are able to look around and see this as nothing more than our growing process. I'm a simple, unascended person who is much too jaded to unconditionally love the bankers, politicians and arrogant rulers of our planet.

I wish we could all be like you, on a different level of awareness, so that we could wake up every morning and look forward to a wonderful day.

Hi GCS1103,

This is complex issue that requires extensive thinking. The reason I posted this message here is because I feel it deserves a chance to be pondered (not lightly) and for it to go into our conciousness. I believe we must have an opportunity to hear a different perspective regarding what goes on this planet.

[Lord Sidious]

The debt should NOT be refinanced.
It is a fraudulent debt, to refinance a fraudulent debt makes you an accessory to fraud during and after the crime.
No thanks.
It should be written off due to fraud and those responsible dealt with.

[phillipbbg]

Who invented the Credit Rating? and for what purpose?..

First you have to give people or countries something so that you can use it by threatening to take it away...... so if the credit rating was lowered then what? It is America that has lent the money in the first place !!! the US should be lowering the credit ratings of the banks that they lent the money to in the first place...........

Sometimes the world seems so upside down..... WAKE UP !!! if they default the US then what??? suddenly the invisible tiger has no teeth (which ever family it is)

[Camilo]

Camilo,
The part I don't get is when the "controllers" continue their "role", (given to them by God) on and on across vast experiences, and never tire or want to do something different no matter the opportunity to do so, to the point that they get called back to source and absorbed, deconstructed into nothingness out of which all of this is built, WHAT THEN? I think this happens, and so, I can't quite imagine that it's part of the Divine Plan that these souls don't learn and climb out of their assigned role that is a necessary construct for duality

Do you know what I mean, and am I missing something here?

Regards, Craig

Craig,
For a better and deeper view and ubderstanding on this topic, I invite you (and everyone else) to visit Saint Germain's website...

http://comptedesaintgermainsblog.blogspot.com

[pyriel]

Camilo,
The part I don't get is when the "controllers" continue their "role", (given to them by God) on and on across vast experiences, and never tire or want to do something different no matter the opportunity to do so, to the point that they get called back to source and absorbed, deconstructed into nothingness out of which all of this is built, WHAT THEN? I think this happens, and so, I can't quite imagine that it's part of the Divine Plan that these souls don't learn and climb out of their assigned role that is a necessary construct for duality

Do you know what I mean, and am I missing something here?

Regards, Craig

Craig,
For a better and deeper view and ubderstanding on this topic, I invite you (and everyone else) to visit Saint Germain's website...

http://comptedesaintgermainsblog.blogspot.com

"of the great white brotherhood" That alone makes me wonder. Bondage, servitude, followers, etc.. Sounds like a religion/organization and those usually have some odd agenda.

[Lord Sidious]

I would agree in totality with what is said on the front page of that blog.
I had a tarot reading done recently.
I was very lucky, the lady told me what the ''block'' is in my life.
Judgement.
And whomever wrote that article is on the same wavelength, they are telling you the truth, go with it.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UP1mXrr38Oc

See?
Ofra tells you the same thing.
Hatred is a form of anger and it WILL come back on you.
If you can release your hate, you will move past it into a much larger world.
I had a HUGE hatred of ''the jews'' most of my life, till about 18 months ago.
I woke up to myself and realised it was the bad jews that I really hated.
But then, I hated the bad everything.
Criminals to me, are like vandals, they destroy our beautiful world and limit the chances we have of enjoying it here.
I have to let go of this hate too, just as that author said.

[pyriel]

I agree, regardless of what they are doing, you just need to forgive them and let it go. Holding in any anger, hatred, etc for them isnt good, healthy and isnt going to get you to far.

[Marsila]

The debt should NOT be refinanced.
It is a fraudulent debt, to refinance a fraudulent debt makes you an accessory to fraud during and after the crime.
No thanks.
It should be written off due to fraud and those responsible dealt with.

Thank god someone noticed...

as for the hate etc etc, i didn't write the article and i do find bits of the way its written in funny. I am happy i never felt hatred towards any group any time of my life, but do get annoyed when i see the "official" story being told is so far different from the one in the background, and a recurring theme seems to be behind it.

Point is at the end of the day it is people causing problems for other people, so it is easy to deal with when one realizes it is not an invisible monster with super powers.

As to gold and silver, the reason of its value, is humans a long time ago decided they like it, as it made barter so easy.

[Herbert]

George Kavassilas covers everything discussed on this thread extrememly well here:

P.I.G. Radio Interviews Sam Mugzzi & George Kav...

Sorry, I only have dial-up so I can't figure out how to make the exact you tube site here but the above info should take you to it with search.
He makes perfect sense to me and clarrifies things extrememly well.

[pyriel]

George Kavassilas covers everything discussed on this thread extrememly well here:

P.I.G. Radio Interviews Sam Mugzzi & George Kav...

Sorry, I only have dial-up so I can't figure out how to make the exact you tube site here but the above info should take you to it with search.
He makes perfect sense to me and clarrifies things extrememly well.

This the video that your talking about?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq2Pu2xfAaY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq2Pu2xfAaY

[craig mitchell]

@LS,

I so resonate with your process, and when I catch myself hating all those things, situations, people, etc that you describe as your own inner blind spots that you are obviously overcoming, I say to myself, "I hate nothing and no one" (and repeat it to myself until I KNOW it or at least get close to total agreement!)

I have noticed that having been disgusted with all the smarmy, self satisfied, negative mo-fo's, OOPS!, there I go again!, stop it Craig, anyway what was I saying? Oh, I note that hating those that hate had (but less so than it used to, thank heavens) a certain seductive pleasure in doing so, and that's the lower self's need to separate, judge, and etc to maintain its identity, which is exactly what must and will be absorbed by the higher self! There is still a part of me that likes to point out the "evil ones" rather than look within

And yes, I am a bit jaded, having seen what I've seen, however I'm more and more willing to give it up! (with a little help from my friends)

Regards, Craig

[GCS1103]

@LS,

I so resonate with your process, and when I catch myself hating all those things, situations, people, etc that you describe as your own inner blind spots that you are obviously overcoming, I say to myself, "I hate nothing and no one" (and repeat it to myself until I KNOW it or at least get close to total agreement!)

I have noticed that having been disgusted with all the smarmy, self satisfied, negative mo-fo's, OOPS!, there I go again!, stop it Craig, anyway what was I saying? Oh, I note that hating those that hate had (but less so than it used to, thank heavens) a certain seductive pleasure in doing so, and that's the lower self's need to separate, judge, and etc to maintain its identity, which is exactly what must and will be absorbed by the higher self! There is still a part of me that likes to point out the "evil ones" rather than look within

And yes, I am a bit jaded, having seen what I've seen, however I'm more and more willing to give it up! (with a little help from my friends)

Regards, Craig

Well said, Craig.

[scotusa]

An interesting perspective.

http://www.moneyteachers.org/Debt+Ceiling+Popular+Mandate.html



The Psychopaths know one thing for certain. we outnumber them 100:1. To keep us in line they use forced choices and the popular mandate. A popular mandate is a very powerful tool. It means we beg them to implement one of their solutions instead of implementing one of our own.

In order to arrive at a Popular Mandate they use opinion polls, media shills and fear mongering. The current debt crisis is a case in point. Now they have presented us with two manufactured solutions that are equally evil.

1. Raise the debt ceiling, destroy our credit rating, trigger inflation and higher interest rates to ultimately crash the economy.

2. Default on our debt payments and crash the economy right now.


Of course the American people will choose the lesser of two evils, and Congress will vote to raise the debt ceiling in the next few days, as I predicted they would when this whole manufactured crisis began. Only now, they will do it with the full support of the American people, or a popular mandate.

Americans need to understand that the Satanic Psychopaths created the current crisis through a combination of extremely loose credit, hedge funds and equity swaps. The banksters created massive amounts of consumer, commercial and mortage debt by ignoring the borrowers ability to pay, true value of the underlying assets, and over-all credit worthiness. Here is how the greatest theft in American history was carried out:

1. The Rothschild/Rockefellert Federal Reserve loosened interest rates, borrowing guidelines and capital requirements. Anyone that had a body temperature over 97 degrees was permitted to borrow more money than they could ever possibly repay. They knew that when they lent the money, it would never be repaid.

2. Banks, like Wells Fargo, sold the worthless paper to Hedge Funds like Mitt Romney's "Bain Capital". Probably at a discount.

3. Bain Capital and other Hedge Funds "swapped" the worthless paper, that never had a chance of being repaid, with Rothschild and Rockefeller controlled mutual funds, ETFs, Pension Plans and Insurance Companies. Companies that were once solid entities gave up real-estate, cash and other assets in exchange for the "toxic debt".

4. The Rothschild/Rockefeller owned Federal Reserve then raised interest rates to trigger the toxic side of these toxic assets. Now, mortgages and other investments that never had a chance of being repaid in the first place, went so far underwater that it was guaranteed that they would never see daylight. Borrowers began to default.

5. The American consumer was further savaged by opening up our borders to a flood of illegal immigrants to lower our incomes and guarantee our inability to pay.

6. Globalism was the nail in the coffin. By sending American jobs overseas, and flooding American retail establishments with cheap imported goods, the Psychopaths and their Globalist Allies reduced the standard of living in America to second world status.

7. Americas economy has functioned on credit card debt, unemployment checks, and government jobs ever since. As American citizens try to maintain a standard of living that their parents and grandparents were accustomed to, they go deeper into debt to the Rockefellers, Rothschilds and other Satanic Psychopaths..


The Solution is Clear:

1. The right thing to do is repudiate the interest on the debt, and any debts owed directy to the Federal Reserve bank. Since our Congressman are either bought off or being blackmailed for Bohemian Grove types of activities, this will never happen.

2. The remaining debt should be refinanced by a real Bank of the United States that is actually owned by the American Taxpayer, not a private corporation like the Fed.

3. Since a real Bank of the United States owned by the American Taxpayer would not pay interest to itself, and print an interest free currency, the United States could be in the black in a few short years.

4. Tariffs would need to be re-enacted so America could rebuild its manufacturing and retail base without having to compete with Third-world sweat shops that rely on virtual slave labor.

5. Illegal Immigrants would have to be expelled from the country and our military force would need to be brought home from North Korea to protect America's Borders.


This my friends is the Drockton Plan for Future Prosperity. It would involve driving out the Traitors and Parasites, or simply setting up a separate Republic free from their influence. Gold and silver as currency would be a further step towards decentralizing the money power, and placing it back into the hands of the people.

I think this could be a solution:
1. The US treasury should reclaim all the illegal interest that has been parasite-ed off the American people by the FED since Dec 23rd 1913, lets say, U$8.3 trillion to date.
2. Reclaim all the interest that the FED have made on that money, which was rightfully the American people's, lets say another U$8.3 trillion
3. The Treasury should levy a U$8.3 trillion fine against the FED for illegal economic terrorist activities since 1913. This could be for a much longer period
4. Said U$24.9 trillion must be paid in Gold/Silver bullion to the US Treasury and deposited as collin tateral for the printing of US Treasury bank notes and burn all FED notes.
5. Eliminate all perpretators in these crimes from the public, government, justice, political, media etc sectors
6. Do the same with Canada, UK, Germany, Australia and French central bank systems

No more debt

[GCS1103]

I would agree in totality with what is said on the front page of that blog.
I had a tarot reading done recently.
I was very lucky, the lady told me what the ''block'' is in my life.
Judgement.
And whomever wrote that article is on the same wavelength, they are telling you the truth, go with it.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UP1mXrr38Oc

See?
Ofra tells you the same thing.
Hatred is a form of anger and it WILL come back on you.
If you can release your hate, you will move past it into a much larger world.
I had a HUGE hatred of ''the jews'' most of my life, till about 18 months ago.
I woke up to myself and realised it was the bad jews that I really hated.
But then, I hated the bad everything.
Criminals to me, are like vandals, they destroy our beautiful world and limit the chances we have of enjoying it here.
I have to let go of this hate too, just as that author said.

Thanks for the Ofra, Rob. I love to listen to her now too. She has a vey calming effect on me.

[DeDukshyn]

Get rid of any form of currency permanently and you permanently remove that group of Psychopaths.
Does ceasing to eat cure all disease?

A form of currency is essential to complex economic activity.

Without it, trade mostly just happens between those we personally know well enough to trust (perhaps a couple hundred), and our civilization (and current human population) collapse.

In my opinion an economy only becomes problematic due to "lending" money for more money, and the production of "money" not backed up by with something of intrinsic value. All financial problems stem from this. Get rid of it and a debt based economy controlled by a few is completely impossible. There was a British King who recognized this and during the majority of his rule made it illegal to lend money for money, but the bankers eventually took him down - can't recall which King - he created a system with "sticks" which were used for lending, but the system disallowed lending for profit. So we don't necessarily need to stop eating, but we do need frickin diet pretty bad ... and maybe a good fast to start it off with ;)

[craig mitchell]

Yea Marsila, I do like gold and silver, it's beautiful and non-corruptible but the problem is storage, as in where do I keep it so that I have control over it and no one else can get at it
I quit worrying about that when I decided that I'd best convert all my precious metal holdings into portable assets,and had them all put into my mouth, artfully scattered about of course!
Now I carry them with me always :eek::biggrin:

Regards, Craig

[Marsila]

True Craig, i always feel its those with nothing that have a lot of peace of mind with no worries about things being taken from them. some suggest those strange little safes that only open with the right fingerprint etc but who knows, i just try never to hold any money in banks such they are thieves as you know i experienced that first hand but luckily at an early age. so I just know where NOT to put things.

on the other hand land that you can grow food in, is always better, even better is that we don't always need land for that "Aquaponics (spelling?), containers etc all work, and good family and friends nearby are the best asset anyone could ever have : )

[daledo]

I quit worrying about that when I decided that I'd best convert all my precious metal holdings into portable assets,and had them all put into my mouth, artfully scattered about of course!
Now I carry them with me always :eek::biggrin:

Regards, Craig
http://billybobteeth.biz/products/Grillz%20Gold.jpg

Very interesting. Anything like this? lol I got a small mouth and had 6 permanent teeth removed when I was younger so I don't know how much precious metals I can fit in my mouth. ;)

[gripreaper]

I say, let it crash. A problem cannot be solved from the same level of consciousness which created it. Until the existing paradigm is dissolved, how can a new one emerge?

A complete global jubilee is necessary, as the 7 billion souls tell the elite that it's over, they have done a terrible job of running the planet, and send them back to where they came from.

Thank them for the opportunity to experience victim-hood, subjugation, pain and slavery, and move into a unified field of consciousness where "divide and conquer" and continued low level fear and pleasure energy is elevated to the heart, with empathy for all sentient beings.

I know, it sounds like a dream, but that is the nature of consciousness. It's a collective dream. We allowed the elite to subjugate us as everything is a conscious co-creation. We just have to decide what we want to create going forward.

[ThePythonicCow]

In my opinion an economy only becomes problematic due to "lending" money for more money, and the production of "money" not backed up by with something of intrinsic value. All financial problems stem from this. Get rid of it and a debt based economy controlled by a few is completely impossible.
Yes, that gets a lot closer to the problem. Agreed.

The monetization of debt paper has been a remarkably efficient tool for the excess concentration of power.

Someone else here (I forget who or where) suggested prohibiting the buying and selling of debt. Excellent idea (though obviously not one the current bastards in power would readily accept.)

[Maia Gabrial]

Hey Paul,
IMO I think as long as we have currency, there will always be greed. There'll always be people who will try to get as much of it as they can even if it's gold and silver.... We never learn. If we focus on other things besides working 9-5, paying bills, trying to outdo the Joneses, accumulating wealth and materiality, then we'd never get away from a greed based society. We need to look for a better way of life. Find what is truly more valuable in life: us. We really need to develop a way that can't be monopolised by the few. I also think that once we are off currency, life will slow down. People will discover how much they DON'T need anymore. This would eliminate alot of unnecessary businesses and corporations. We don't need no stinking banks either. Trade would be a completely different entity....
Honestly, I'd love to see a world where we value our knowledge and spirituality....
Hope you don't mind my saying so.....

[ThePythonicCow]

IMO I think as long as we have currency, there will always be greed.

I suspect greed pre-dates currency ;).

But ... short of something quite different than we what know in this material world, something perhaps along the lines of what free energy could do to base a complex civilization of abundance that Walt Frazier and others consider (I hope I have not mangled their thoughts too badly) ... removing currency would not just get rid of the ills of our civilization.

[TWINCANS]

Ceasing to eat *may* cure all disease. There is the story of the man who hasnt ate or drank anything for 70+ yrs tho I do not know how often he gets sick, if at all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMLFLhw3UGs&feature=related

Currency isnt essential. If what Alex Collier says is true that most if not all ET races dont use any form of currency then why do we have too.
There may be other ways of human existence, quite unknown to me, which don't require eating. However, I am confident that if I stopped eating, I'd die of starvation soon thereafter (not -that- soon, I have some "reserves" ;).)

There may be other ways of organizing a civilization and its economy that don't depend on some currency as a general purpose medium of exchange. However, I am confident that this human civilization, on this planet at this time, would collapse (quite literally starving billions, I suspect) if we eliminated monetary currencies outright.

In both cases, one must bring the new way of being, if such exists, into being, then let the old way "die on the vine". If you just eliminate the old before bringing into being the new, you end up with not much.

Years ago i read a suggestion that give-and-take between people be kept track of via a points system. The points would be based on actual demand, not hoarding like the stock market works. This could be applied to trade in either goods or services, and of course labour because that is simply a service being rendered.

It's just an idea. But we could brainstorm other ways to interract, other than currency. I tend to agree with Alex Jones that there are many ways to organize an enlightened civilization other than ours, and currency is too easily hoarded.

[ulli]

In my opinion an economy only becomes problematic due to "lending" money for more money, and the production of "money" not backed up by with something of intrinsic value. All financial problems stem from this. Get rid of it and a debt based economy controlled by a few is completely impossible.
Yes, that gets a lot closer to the problem. Agreed.

The monetization of debt paper has been a remarkably efficient tool for the excess concentration of power.

Someone else here (I forget who or where) suggested prohibiting the buying and selling of debt. Excellent idea (though obviously not one the current bastards in power would readily accept.)

France was one of the countries least affected by the crisis and that was because they had such a law partially in place, if I remember correctly.

[jp11]

Thanks Herbert for the info and pyriel for providing the link to the interview with George Kavassilas. I've just finished listening to all of it. Very uplifting info and right up my ally actually. It's been a while since I felt the desire to respond to anything...just reading as a guest rather than logging in and replying to anything. But after listening to this interview with the three of them it has confirmed what I've been doing lately. And for years I've been a rebel, not wanting to be controlled and/or told what to think, how to be, what to feel from even the so called light beings.

One thing George said struck a cord, the Saturn energies are about "conditional love" and controlling by guilt. Hmmmm...I guess I've had an inner knowing which was doing that rebelling.

Like I always feel compelled to say, thanks to all of you who contribute to this forum. I am honored to be a part of this community even though I choose to be silent for the most part.:grouphug:

[craig mitchell]

http://billybobteeth.biz/products/Grillz%20Gold.jpg

Oh man, and crapola! I didn't realize that the picture my dentist took of me just prior to leaving his office was circulating the internet!
I'm gonna have to have a little talk with him

Regards, Craig

ps daledo your post cracked me up, thanks for that

[pyriel]

In my opinion an economy only becomes problematic due to "lending" money for more money, and the production of "money" not backed up by with something of intrinsic value. All financial problems stem from this. Get rid of it and a debt based economy controlled by a few is completely impossible. There was a British King who recognized this and during the majority of his rule made it illegal to lend money for money, but the bankers eventually took him down - can't recall which King - he created a system with "sticks" which were used for lending, but the system disallowed lending for profit. So we don't necessarily need to stop eating, but we do need frickin diet pretty bad ... and maybe a good fast to start it off with ;)

nothing is impossible. to say so is pretty narrow minded... like that old saying, "nothing is impossible if you put your mind to it" or "if there is a will, there is a way"

[Davidallany]

There is the story of the man who hasnt ate or drank anything for 70+ yrs tho I do not know how often he gets sick, if at all
It's easy to practice this method, no force is needed. I was looking at the Sun for 10 seconds yesterday, one hour before Sunset, and got the most warm feeling from the rays, indescribable connection feeling. Results of Sun gazing should start showing within 6-9 months, during which normal eating continues. A thread about this subject is here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?26083-Amazing-The-Indian-Who-Doesn-t-Need-Food-or-Water-to-Survive--Scientific-Tests&p=270051#post270051

[bennycog]

Sorry scotusa :) But i could not resist lol is this the new avalon currency "collin tateral" it could replace gold gold nuggets i am not pointing out mistakes or anything because mine is bad on occasions too. It just made me laugh pretty well, and i like a good laugh so i had to thank ye :)

"4. Said U$24.9 trillion must be paid in Gold/Silver bullion to the US Treasury and deposited as collin tateral for the printing of US Treasury bank notes and burn all FED notes."

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great summary on the post too mate

[DeDukshyn]

In my opinion an economy only becomes problematic due to "lending" money for more money, and the production of "money" not backed up by with something of intrinsic value. All financial problems stem from this. Get rid of it and a debt based economy controlled by a few is completely impossible. There was a British King who recognized this and during the majority of his rule made it illegal to lend money for money, but the bankers eventually took him down - can't recall which King - he created a system with "sticks" which were used for lending, but the system disallowed lending for profit. So we don't necessarily need to stop eating, but we do need frickin diet pretty bad ... and maybe a good fast to start it off with ;)

nothing is impossible. to say so is pretty narrow minded... like that old saying, "nothing is impossible if you put your mind to it" or "if there is a will, there is a way"

I think you may have misinterpreted my post ... ? I was isolating a way to prevent corruption to the system to make it nearly "impossible" to induce a debt based society, by ensuring certain things be not allowed to happen - lending money for money to induce debt based economies - namely. This has happened from "international" financiers lending to royalty and governments to fight wars (mostly) for a fee - and then manipulating the global economy to ensure there is never enough money in the system for any country to repay the debt. Take away lending for fees evens the playing field again, and better yet, making lending to governments and royalty by "international bankers" illegal, will cut their known ways of manipulation - making it impossible to induce a global debt based economy (the system can still be screwed with - just not on a global magnitude) - where we currently are, effective safeguards are available when you understand the system a bit, just currently not very implementable.

[Tane Mahuta]

I would agree in totality with what is said on the front page of that blog.
I had a tarot reading done recently.
I was very lucky, the lady told me what the ''block'' is in my life.
Judgement.




What.....The Lord of the Sith, defender of the galaxcy! having to get his cards read!

"Now we are in trouble"

Money is created from nothing, we get charged interest on the monies(created from nothing).

The saying goes "Money is the root of all evil". To me...... money is the vessel to which evil
manifests itself

I'm more than happy to give my time freely to help some one else, if some one else could help me.

See no money required.

nuff said

TM