Are the Grey ETs really evil?

[pharoah21]

Last night I had an extremely difficult time getting to sleep. I felt very anxious all night, and just wasn't having a very peaceful night. At about 3:40 am, I woke up because I had to visit the boys room (don't you hate when that happens) and I wasn't in the best of moods, knowing how hard it was going to be to get back to sleep.

After a little while, when I had my eyes closed, a grey alien appeared to me. It's important to note that I have trouble visualising anything at all in my mind, or creating any images, so after seeing this, I knew I was being visited in a way, this was not imaginary. He looked at me and telepathically asked, "Do you really think we're all bad?" I said to him "I think it would be foolish to say that ALL of you are bad, or that all of you are good." I then felt an awkward silence, and I suddenly realised, that regardless of the way this being looked, he was my brother. All the animals, trees, and people of the world are my brothers and sisters, and I realised that even if they are not on Earth, I believe these beings also have a soul, a spirit, and that automatically makes me and him, brothers of the same kind.

So I felt the urge to do, something that I have never heard about before. I walked up to the being, and I hugged him. I thought, if he is good, I can do this, if he isn't, well, what's the worst that can happen to me? There was quite a strong emotional connection as I did this, and we both started levitating, then floating upwards in to the sky, as I fell in to a VERY deep, deep sleep.

[KosmicKat]

Does anyone really choose evil? Surely they choose whatever they choose because they see some good in it. For the people we call insane their actions are the rational response to an insane world.

[pharoah21]

Does anyone really choose evil? Surely they choose whatever they choose because they see some good in it. For the people we call insane their actions are the rational response to an insane world.

That's very true. However, most people describe the greys as evil, meaning that they are not looking out for our best interests, or that they can't get along with humanity.

I think otherwise........

[Flasky]

Oh Pharoah21, thanks for sharing that with us. That made me cry...

Despite the grumpiness, I am happy you decided to act with such love! I felt it even from just reading about your experience. And yes, in your position I would have hugged the guy as well.

Is this first time you have been so aware to have been visited?

And on a more superficial level, what did his 'skin' feel like? Which Grey was he - tall, short etc...

And finally - unfortunately we have created such a negative, to be feared, image of Greys thanks to the media/movies and whatnot, for generations - not to forget, all the negative reported experiences of abductions of Greys...It affects as all in some way.

That's why I am also glad you were able to go beyond that...*tear*

I'd love for you to talk more about the experience if there is anything else you'd like to share with us... :)

[etheric underground]

Hi Pharoah 21. What a vivid memory....
I believe your understanding of the connection to all things including the
greys rings true my friend.
Just because they sit in a different level of energy and have been known to
do some terrible things, does not mean they are separate from us.
In actual fact you only have to look at the human race to see how we think we are so
different from each other, whether through race or religion or financially. But ultimatley
we are all of the same flesh and blood and creed.
thank you for your story ..... Love this sort of thing.

[pharoah21]

@Flasky, I have been visited before, but I only have one memory of this, thanks to a memory that surfaced while inbetween the awake/asleep state one morning. I can't really tell you what his skin felt like, the only thing I can remember is the intense emotional connection I had with him, like hugging a long lost brother, it was a beautiful feeling, especially when I started elevating. I believe he was average height, as I didn't feel tall, or short when I was looking at him, he was exactly at my level, and I'm 6'2. But who knows, as it was not an experience I had in the physical 3d Earth world, it must have been on the astral plane or something along those lines.

[Aurelius]

Something that bugs me about Grey's (or most of these advanced species for that matter) is their technology is so good that they are capable of evoking strong emotion in us .. ie. we feel strong emotions of love or calmness at the "flick of a switch" on their end. This makes it very difficult for us to see the trees from the woods. ie. be able to tell good from bad. I know it is generally accepted that if you feel deep down inside yourself you will know the answer but this isn't easy when they throw their tech at you.

[Davidallany]

a grey alien appeared to me
They came to check on the experiment most likely. They have not visited me in a long time, or maybe they perfected memory wipe technology. Thank you for sharing this pharoah21.

[Tigressa]

Some people say that the Greys are beings who were created out of something that originally had the capacity for compassion and that they are doing all these experiments and taking ovum, sperm etc. so that their own species will one day be a more love filled and compassionate race. I don't know if it is true, but I suppose it's a possibility.

I had visions of using their technology for my own ends repeatedly, I know they got a bit irritated when I removed the devices they had placed in my field. Irritation is an emotion? I am sure there are some good and well intentioned greys out there. It's a more interesting choice than being nasty and low vibration energy too. Surely a creature without much emotion and some intelligence could choose to act in a moral way out of pure curiosity - and then find they like it?! It's a big universe anyway. What a nice experience pharaoah21!!! Love is the binding agent of the universe in my view. You are holding the universe together with your love, well done!

[steveofengland]

I read a post on here recently about greys and abduction for hybrids, and the poster mentioned something about the grey parents not being able to understand why their grey human hybrid is having tantrum. At that point I it became obvious to me that they can feel lovefor their child, if I was taken I would show them nothing but kindness even if they wanted to harm me. But I have never had any ET experiences whatsoever no matter how open to it I try to be.

[D-Day]

Hi pharoh21, unfortunately I suspect nobody on this forum will be able to answer your question with absolute certainty. The fact of the matter is that even those who have had personal experiences with "some" of these beings won't be able to definitively say that ALL OF THEM are of a particular persuasion, either good or bad.

As I understand it there are at least a few different types of greys, each residing in different star systems and therefore would likely have evolved independently from one another. Logic tells me that if this is the case then each of them would have developed their own set of beliefs, constructs, paradigms, agendas etc etc.

In all likelihood there are probably billions of these beings coexisting with us in this, our universe. So to suggest that they are all evil, insidious and manipulative would be like saying all human beings are loving, caring and respectful... we all know this unfortunately is not the case.

Therefore, I think we can safely assume that there is likely to be great diversity amongst such a group of beings, just like that which can be observed in our own species.

[Lost Soul]

I'm given to believe that all soul bearers are brothers/sisters and are from the divine source, the Creator. Hence the old Altantean saying, "One in all things, all things in one." We are all interconnected and this includes the animals, plants, trees, rocks, water, air and the heavens.

Even though some soul bearers are more advanced scientifically, they may be spiritually lagging. We need look no further than our own humankind for an example. We still slaughter animals (and I'm a self-confessed hypocrite meat-eater) much like the reptiles are supposed to enjoy dining on us.

It is a matter for the soul bearing entity to return to the Creator and follow in the Creator's footsteps. Sounds simple, but it's tough.

[pharoah21]

I saw past all this technology stuff during this experience, when I made the decision to hug him, I did it based on the fact that I knew he had a soul, part of the divine in him. One thing I didn't mention (I'll be honest, I didn't think you guys would believe me but here it goes) is that he seemed to be in a bit of an upset state when he visited me, I can only tell you this because it's the vibe I read when he came to me. He seemed a bit hopeless. I've never heard of anyone describing an experience with a grey that involved any emotion on their end, but I will only give you this information because it seemed very true to me at the time.

When he asked, 'Do you think we're all evil?' It's like he was looking for a specific answer, for me to say, 'No, I believe you are good.' This is why I felt the awkward silence after my initial answer, because I felt like I hurt him, and it gave me the urge to see what was beneath the skin, which resulted in the hug. I do think it affected him, because I was levitating upwards as this happened, and I definitely don't start floating during strong emotional experiences.

I blacked out straight after though so I can't tell you what happened following this.

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grey human hybrid is having tantrum.

The only abduction experience that I can recall, was of a sexual nature, so it's possible that I have hybrids of my own up there. Could I have been visited by my son? Could that explain the emotion involved?

[steveofengland]

I'm not in a position to comment on that but try and find the other thread about greys, it goes along the lines of them trying to breed themselves with human dna. though if their tech is as good as has been reported you would think they would have an easier way of doing it?

[Flasky]

Could I have been visited by my son? Could that explain the emotion involved?


Wow, that is quite the concept! I am following the thread but I must admit, I am really out of my depths at this point.

I've only had one experience with Greys (and here is me assuming they were Greys because I never saw them I just felt them there - how I know it was them them goes beyond me.) and even if it wasn't a particular nice one - no sexual stuff were involved.

Now that's one touchy subject. I think you are very strong to have opened up about it and I am actually very thankful that you did. I find it incredible, even with that experience, you were able to turn to the Grey with love.

I mean, I understand one is not the same to all....But I guess it reasonable to say it is human nature to become diffident/scared once aware (or remembering) of certain traits the attacker/abuser may have had that another person may have. For example, a male abuser - and after you have trouble staying around men because of the traumatic experience.

I don't want to invade your privacy with questions about it - but for you to turn around like this and even suggest for it be your 'son' (I find it a positive thing) really gets me in the heart.

And yes - it could very well explain the emotion behind it. But I'd suggest to meditate/investigate on it for further answers....I am assuming it should be a repeat business scenario as he will also feel the bond towards you...I think.

:) ....You're cool!

[Tigressa]

The only abduction experience that I can recall, was of a sexual nature, so it's possible that I have hybrids of my own up there. Could I have been visited by my son? Could that explain the emotion involved?

This is very possible from my own experience. I have an emotional time dealing with Orion issues as I have a daughter there. I meditate on her and send her love. You can discover this for yourself - let us know how you go!

[pharoah21]

Thanks so much guys, also @Flasky (you're cool!), when you first asked me wether they were the short or the tall greys, it could very well have been the tall ones if you see it like this: I'm only 22, so I couldn't have any potential hybrid children up there that are older than say, 8 or so. But if they were the tall, 8-10 ft greys, well a child could very well be 6ft, also considering the fact that his human father is a little taller than most at 6'2. There was a child like vibe about him to, but he definitely didn't look human in the slightest.

I well definitely meditate on this Tigressa, thanks for the advice, I will try to re-connect with this being, whoever he is, and report back to you guys if appropriate. And I wouldn't have shared this experience with you guys if I didn't feel comfortable, it's a credit to all the members and mods for creating such a good forum.

Blessings :p

[Tigressa]

Thanks so much guys, also @Flasky (you're cool!), when you first asked me wether they were the short or the tall greys, it could very well have been the tall ones if you see it like this: I'm only 22, so I couldn't have any potential hybrid children up there that are older than say, 8 or so. But if they were the tall, 8-10 ft greys, well a child could very well be 6ft, also considering the fact that his human father is a little taller than most at 6'2. There was a child like vibe about him to, but he definitely didn't look human in the slightest.

I well definitely meditate on this Tigressa, thanks for the advice, I will try to re-connect with this being, whoever he is, and report back to you guys if appropriate. And I wouldn't have shared this experience with you guys if I didn't feel comfortable, it's a credit to all the members and mods for creating such a good forum.

Blessings :p

Just a thought - I am not sure that time runs at the same pace between dimensions, it's possible the being is younger or older I suppose. Good work, you are so young and wise! Blessings to you too.

[DNA]

Hi Pharoah21

The only problem I have with your story, is you failed to include the two page explanation in which forests of logs previously in your butt hole were dislodged and placed in your boxer shorts.

Is this an excerpt from a previously told story where the excrement found in your bedding was explained in screaming detail? I ask because I just have a hard time taking this story seriously without the "oh my god" factor and then the pooping in your pants being included. :)

On to the answer to your question, "are all greys evil?"
First evil must be defined. Were the first humans who practiced cannabilism for survivals sake evil?
If your answer is no, then I would say the answer to your question is no, if your answer is yes, then I would say the answer to your question is yes.

[Tigressa]

Hi Pharoah21

The only problem I have with your story, is you failed to include the two page explanation in which forests of logs previously in your butt hole were dislodged and placed in your boxer shorts.

Is this an excerpt from a previously told story where the excrement found in your bedding was explained in screaming detail? I ask because I just have a hard time taking this story seriously without the "oh my god" factor and then the pooping in your pants being included. :)

SERIOUSLY? Are you drunk? I don't get it. What has a forest in one's underwear (??) to do with... anything? I am actually curious. Please do respond. Quickly. I want to go to bed in a minute and I will be up all night wondering how excrement, trees and the grey's moral predisposition are linked in your world?

[Tane Mahuta]

Does anyone really choose evil? Surely they choose whatever they choose because they see some good in it. For the people we call insane their actions are the rational response to an insane world.

That's very true. However, most people describe the greys as evil, meaning that they are not looking out for our best interests, or that they can't get along with humanity.

I think otherwise........


The same could be said of us Humans. "Are We Evil?" As we treat other living creatures with malice & cruelty.

The Negative Masters see us as no different than animals!.

"Are the Greys really evil?".....I say No! because....

We allow & enjoy the harming of others lessor than we....

But feel violated when the situation is reversed.....

nuff said

TM

[DNA]

Hi Pharoah21

The only problem I have with your story, is you failed to include the two page explanation in which forests of logs previously in your butt hole were dislodged and placed in your boxer shorts.

Is this an excerpt from a previously told story where the excrement found in your bedding was explained in screaming detail? I ask because I just have a hard time taking this story seriously without the "oh my god" factor and then the pooping in your pants being included. :)

SERIOUSLY? Are you drunk? I don't get it. What has a forest in one's underwear (??) to do with... anything? I am actually curious. Please do respond. Quickly. I want to go to bed in a minute and I will be up all night wondering how excrement, trees and the grey's moral predisposition are linked in your world?

Being as you didn't enjoy my attempt at humor here I'll get right to the point.
I felt there was a certain measure of shock missing from the original message is all.
I can't help but to feel it is human nature to suffer a certain amount of psychological trauma in the even an alien entity shows up at your bedside.

[pharoah21]

Hi Pharoah21

The only problem I have with your story, is you failed to include the two page explanation in which forests of logs previously in your butt hole were dislodged and placed in your boxer shorts.

Is this an excerpt from a previously told story where the excrement found in your bedding was explained in screaming detail? I ask because I just have a hard time taking this story seriously without the "oh my god" factor and then the pooping in your pants being included. :)

SERIOUSLY? Are you drunk? I don't get it. What has a forest in one's underwear (??) to do with... anything? I am actually curious. Please do respond. Quickly. I want to go to bed in a minute and I will be up all night wondering how excrement, trees and the grey's moral predisposition are linked in your world?

Being as you didn't enjoy my attempt at humor here I'll get right to the point.
I felt there was a certain measure of shock missing from the original message is all.
I can't help but to feel it is human nature to suffer a certain amount of psychological trauma in the even an alien entity shows up at your bedside.

I can appreciate where you're coming from, but first of all I need to clear something up. I never mentioned this entity was physically at my bedside. Read the original post again, and you will notice that I wrote I saw this being as I closed my eyes, it approached me telepathically if you will, but I could see it, as I spoke with it. Maybe this is why I wasn't scared, and besides, to me fear is nothing but a snake with no fangs, completely harmless when you truly understand your predicament.

I'm sure that, while severely outnumbered, there are many people out there who were not extremely scared while making contact.

[DNA]

Hi Pharoah21

The only problem I have with your story, is you failed to include the two page explanation in which forests of logs previously in your butt hole were dislodged and placed in your boxer shorts.

Is this an excerpt from a previously told story where the excrement found in your bedding was explained in screaming detail? I ask because I just have a hard time taking this story seriously without the "oh my god" factor and then the pooping in your pants being included. :)

SERIOUSLY? Are you drunk? I don't get it. What has a forest in one's underwear (??) to do with... anything? I am actually curious. Please do respond. Quickly. I want to go to bed in a minute and I will be up all night wondering how excrement, trees and the grey's moral predisposition are linked in your world?

Being as you didn't enjoy my attempt at humor here I'll get right to the point.
I felt there was a certain measure of shock missing from the original message is all.
I can't help but to feel it is human nature to suffer a certain amount of psychological trauma in the even an alien entity shows up at your bedside.

I can appreciate where you're coming from, but first of all I need to clear something up. I never mentioned this entity was physically at my bedside. Read the original post again, and you will notice that I wrote I saw this being as I closed my eyes, it approached me telepathically if you will, but I could see it, as I spoke with it. Maybe this is why I wasn't scared, and besides, to me fear is nothing but a snake with no fangs, completely harmless when you truly understand your predicament.

I'm sure that, while severely outnumbered, there are many people out there who were not extremely scared while making contact.

Oh, I didn't get that, this makes more sense then.
I've been approached by non-physical et's and it is far less traumatizing than having an actual flesh and blood there.
Something about the brain being able to present plausible deniability about the whole thing. LOL :)
I dunno, but it seems to work for me. :)

[Tigressa]

:unsure:


Hi Pharoah21

The only problem I have with your story, is you failed to include the two page explanation in which forests of logs previously in your butt hole were dislodged and placed in your boxer shorts.

Is this an excerpt from a previously told story where the excrement found in your bedding was explained in screaming detail? I ask because I just have a hard time taking this story seriously without the "oh my god" factor and then the pooping in your pants being included. :)

SERIOUSLY? Are you drunk? I don't get it. What has a forest in one's underwear (??) to do with... anything? I am actually curious. Please do respond. Quickly. I want to go to bed in a minute and I will be up all night wondering how excrement, trees and the grey's moral predisposition are linked in your world?

Being as you didn't enjoy my attempt at humor here I'll get right to the point.
I felt there was a certain measure of shock missing from the original message is all.
I can't help but to feel it is human nature to suffer a certain amount of psychological trauma in the even an alien entity shows up at your bedside.

Thank you, that's so much better, I was worried for a second there.. Xx.:high5:

[Amity]

Well think about it this way.. If you were being attacked by something for whatever reason like it's need to eat you to survive and you harm or kill it in self defence you are looking out for the best interest of the attacker? No. You are looking out for your own interest. Does that make you evil?

[Someoneson1]

I recently had a dream in which a grey was walking by me. He/she turned and we made eye contact and we staired at each other. The feeling was equal our gaze met in the middle there was not fear (which in my opinion is the base of evil intent) aknowledgment of each other as equals was the feeling. It's very hard to explain.

I felt empowered yet calm. I've never had an experience like this and have just recently read the book of enki (the dream came first) and it got me thinking of noahs ark and the whole 2012 rescue idea.

Honestly .... There is one creator for all energy fear or evil is the opposite of love. My body is temporary, to fear loosing it makes me evil or selfish. My conscience is pure thought and not in any danger from anything but my choice to believe in fear or lack.

Thanks for sharing

[Davidallany]

conscience is pure thought

Someoneson1, I would like to clear something you mentioned, I am glad that you did.

Conscience is not pure thoughts. Conscience is you with the absence of thoughts. Thoughts are the attributes of the mind. Many thanks for giving me the opportunity to address this briefly.

[Someoneson1]

conscience is pure thought

Someoneson1, I would like to clear something you mentioned, I am glad that you did.

Conscience is not pure thoughts. Conscience is you with the absence of thoughts. Thoughts are the attributes of the mind. Many thanks for giving me the opportunity to address this briefly.

Thanks David. I remember asking who am I during the beginning of my awakening six years later while reading a course in miracles. Two word were ..... Hmm downloaded on or in my mind one evening. "PURE THOUGHT" not thoughts but thought I knew immediately this was the answer to my question we are one is the idea.

Ahh perception ... thanks david

[Tony]

Are greys evil?
They probably need cheering up, perhaps a change of colour would do the trick!

[Sidney]

Hi Pharoah21

The only problem I have with your story, is you failed to include the two page explanation in which forests of logs previously in your butt hole were dislodged and placed in your boxer shorts.

Is this an excerpt from a previously told story where the excrement found in your bedding was explained in screaming detail? I ask because I just have a hard time taking this story seriously without the "oh my god" factor and then the pooping in your pants being included. :)

On to the answer to your question, "are all greys evil?"
First evil must be defined. Were the first humans who practiced cannabilism for survivals sake evil?
If your answer is no, then I would say the answer to your question is no, if your answer is yes, then I would say the answer to your question is yes.


I know this is going to sound incredibly weird, but a couple weeks ago I dreamed I was pooping logs. :embarassed::embarassed::embarassed::jaw: I swear I am telling the truth. ironic...

[Davidallany]

Are greys evil?
They probably need cheering up, perhaps a change of colour would do the trick!
I love English humor, thank you sir, Tony.

[Mulder]

I doubt they are all evil & I'd guess they'd have free will to choose goodness like we have.I think showing love to an evil thing is pointless. Its like "praying for the devil to repent" - it simply won't happen. I've never had any experiences with Grays, so who knows what I'd do if one appeared - other than I'd suddenly KNOW aliens exist then!

[another bob]

Greetings, Friends!

If one's only experience of humans was via a group of renegades, one might conclude that humans in general were similarly predisposed to the traits and tendencies exhibited by that one small group. In fact, there are all sorts of grey species roaming about the galaxies, just as there are all sorts of humans at various levels of developmental adaptation appearing, abiding, and disappearing throughout the cosmos. The totality of the universal manifestation is truly beyond our comprehension. Glory to that!

Blessings!

[KiwiElf]

Depends which greys you're talking about - there are several variations/species and from various reports, some are negative, some are neutral, some are positive. Bit like asking is the human race good or evil? ;)

[Xenos]

I saw greys too, a lot of time, but not only them. And i'm surprised that nobody speak about Dan Burisch... you can find the interview on Avalon Project (we have it in french, didn't check for the other language), because as far as I know he's right.

The grey are human like you and me. So spread the word that the gray are "evil" is to conclude that we are all "evil"... they are spacetime traveller and wants to survive, that's why they travel in the "past" or in spacetime possibility (if you understand me) to heal their people.

Those people, as Dan say and it is true, they are from a different spacetime frame you see ? They are what we can say, "ancient military of the black project". They went on Zeta Reticuli because Earth had a very big problem, a catastrophe. So from this point and as human, they did their life and broke the law in their futur to survive. All under survelliance of our creators. So they created different spacetime frame with new decision, new goals to join. That's why we have different "species" of grey, but in fact they are all human but coming from diffrent spacetime frame :) Nice isn't it ? :)

They are like us. They have their inner "God" too, so they can understand and from this point, they can change. And they changed :) That's why, from now all the black project belong to us, and that's why they speak about stuff you know, because the "grey" help in a greater political view (if human from our spacetime frame doesn't want to change, they can beat him for exple) to change our futur and to become what we are. Conclude the experience... the project.

So, if we change, we will change the futurand we will create new spacetime frame, so we all have to work together to do the coolest and the greatest job that we will ever do.

A tv show "Outcast" is close to their history. Watch it and maybe you will understand them.

[Omni]

"Are the greys really evil?"

I think so, yes. Really the epitome of evil in my experiences lately. (the 4 foot tall clone ones).

[Xenos]

"Are the greys really evil?"

I think so, yes. Really the epitome of evil in my experiences lately. (the 4 foot tall clone ones).

Since I rode your experience on the forum, very interesting and I lived stuff like you, but not so much torture. I would like to know if for you they are alive ? Because the experimentation have a meaning. Here... to torture you has they did and maybe still doing... what is the meaning ?

I kept a point in my mind about your story. Your not a human or your soul is from somewherelse... ok. So why your people should torture you ? Maybe because they are not and you can represent a threat to their project, because the greys has to be bad, but you seem to be sweet, clever, a good man.

That's why and since yesterday, I don't think that they are real greys, but biological machine to make you think and believe that they are greys, but behind their is human from a faction of the black project. Really nasty one, but they will all condamn to death... soon. It seem that their is nothing to do with them... their arrogance and cruelty doesn't have limits.

You should try something too when you visualize them, they come in your mind. You should try to kill them. If they do what you said, so you can do it as I did and it works :) But kill with no pity, no forgiveness.

Since I rode your text on the other thread, they came in my mind and they want to keep you because you are a valuable person. And it is better for them to keep you under control to see you... free and to become a real danger. That's why I don't think that the real greys are doing what you are suffering, they are copy.

Edit: I check your youtube account and this : Music Enhancing Mind Control Technology is a joke ? You want that your mind control works better ? You don't want to be free or your tottaly set up ? That's sad. So you are rich now ? Because it is little treason no ? What do you think ?

I understand now people of the french secret services saying "hard to believe people like you"... now I understand.

[selcuk2150]

excellent experience .. I think I have had many experiences like the one you had.. Somehow I don't think they are evil .. But some powers want us to think about greys as they were evil .. I believe the evil is not up in the sky but amongst us ...

[pugwash84]

I don't think humans can judge a whole race by the few who have made contact. I have seen cruelty taken place on earth for example battery hens, to me this is cruel and to others it's not and they buy the eggs because they are cheaper. I prefer the free range eggs. We are still the same race though, the human race, but both with very different views. Not all french like garlic and not all chinese people are good with maths and technology. To judge a whole alien race would be just as racist as those comments. I believe that aliens are all different with different ideas and personal views, even the animals on the earth have different personalities. I have known some dogs who love a lot of attention and some who just like to be quiet. Some who bounce around a lot and some who sleep a lot. If animals and humans have different personalities then I find it hard to believe that aliens don't. I also believe that there is no good and evil people or aliens. We may do things that are bad and things that are good, but it doesn't make the person or alien bad or good. This universe is too complex to put things in to catergories of good and bad and we should speak to aliens and humans with an open mind and not judge people or aliens by the way they look, try to be deeper than that. Try to treat others how we would like to be treated and try to set a good example and show love in hope that others will follow this lead xx

[<8>]

Hi..

I think nothing is really evil, but we play different parts in this game, as good or evil. Thats how we experience this reality.
Having said that, I lookt at the stargate series not long ago and I notice that they promoted the greys over and over saying "you have to love those guys"

I am far from paranoid, but i know how much they love to sell their story. All throughout the stargate series they promote the greys as, "The saviors and protectors"
And ya, "you have to love those guys" goes like a mantra throughout a + 10 year series.

P.S keep your mind sharp, that's all i'm saying..

[Eagle Eye]

It's what they do thats define if they are evil or not.

[DreamsInDigital]

I think anyone that thinks greys are not a dangerous and parasitic race that needs to flat out be eliminated is naive. There are no "good" or "innocent" greys. They're parasites.

[svein magne]

wow thanks for sharing this

[Alex Laker]

I would think that there is a split much like in human society with some good and some evil. Perhaps they have evolved past this concept, I do not know. However, I would like to share a dream. The only dream I can remember in which there was a grey alien. It was one of the strangest dreams I've had, and it was evil. Pure evil. Horrible.

Basically, I think the Earth was being invaded by a race of grey aliens. I was in a small town I did not recognise, in a country I did not recognise. These aliens had the ability to shut off electronics with their mind. To cut what felt like a long story short, I was in a car with a group of friends, who come to think of it, I did not recognise. These aliens could appear out of nowhere, and one so happened to track down our car, and shut it off. We knew immediately what was happening, and so we ran. I, however, tripped and fell, and was unable to escape. The alien then proceeded to render me paralysed while it quite literally kissed me, and sucked out my soul. The feeling is extremely vivid in my mind. I felt as every inch of my being was taken from me. I felt my lungs deflate and then beyond, as if I became frozen in time, and my eyes glaze over. I felt like I had died, and then I woke up.

I sincerely hope they're not like this.

[DreamsInDigital]

That sounds proximity close though. The ET/ED's I've been in contact with for a very long time, have been hunting the Greys for well a extremely long time. And, one of their allied races (allies of my ET/ED's) caught an Grey's ship leaving Terra, they had many boxes with souls in them, about 100,000 or 1,000,000 (might possibly of been only 1,000 I am not entirely sure of the precise numbers on that ship) children (human) and similar amount of hybrids of human/greys. They're (the greys) technically a hybrid of Reptoid and Insectoid races.

[Alex Laker]

That sounds proximity close though. The ET/ED's I've been in contact with for a very long time, have been hunting the Greys for well a extremely long time. And, one of their allied races (allies of my ET/ED's) caught an Grey's ship leaving Terra, they had many boxes with souls in them, about 100,000 or 1,000,000 (might possibly of been only 1,000 I am not entirely sure of the precise numbers on that ship) children (human) and similar amount of hybrids of human/greys. They're (the greys) technically a hybrid of Reptoid and Insectoid races.

Then I hope it stays a dream.

[Houman]

Those that are conscious and not PLF (programed life forms) have a choice (as humans do)... just look at us we have both criminal and benevolent elements in our society...
Furthermore "greys" is perhaps too vague (perhaps as vague as "humanoid" given the number of sub-groups/species if I can use that term)
Houman






Last night I had an extremely difficult time getting to sleep. I felt very anxious all night, and just wasn't having a very peaceful night. At about 3:40 am, I woke up because I had to visit the boys room (don't you hate when that happens) and I wasn't in the best of moods, knowing how hard it was going to be to get back to sleep.

After a little while, when I had my eyes closed, a grey alien appeared to me. It's important to note that I have trouble visualising anything at all in my mind, or creating any images, so after seeing this, I knew I was being visited in a way, this was not imaginary. He looked at me and telepathically asked, "Do you really think we're all bad?" I said to him "I think it would be foolish to say that ALL of you are bad, or that all of you are good." I then felt an awkward silence, and I suddenly realised, that regardless of the way this being looked, he was my brother. All the animals, trees, and people of the world are my brothers and sisters, and I realised that even if they are not on Earth, I believe these beings also have a soul, a spirit, and that automatically makes me and him, brothers of the same kind.

So I felt the urge to do, something that I have never heard about before. I walked up to the being, and I hugged him. I thought, if he is good, I can do this, if he isn't, well, what's the worst that can happen to me? There was quite a strong emotional connection as I did this, and we both started levitating, then floating upwards in to the sky, as I fell in to a VERY deep, deep sleep.

[Sesan]

I think anyone that thinks greys are not a dangerous and parasitic race that needs to flat out be eliminated is naive. There are no "good" or "innocent" greys. They're parasites.

DreamsInDigital would you consider the inclusion of Dan Burisch's account of humans from our future as greys? The description would be very similar to the classic grey. I hope that there are some that are at some level "good."

[jorr lundstrom]

Its like discussing if ticks are evil. Well they carry and spread viruses causing TBE
Tick Borne Encephalities, a deadly disease to us. I suppose they are trying to
survive and get along as best they can. However they can only cause harm to
us. Not all ticks carry the virus, but how do you know which do? Bye the way,
its said there are only about 300 greys in 70 vehicles left in in our area.
Decreasing all the time, somebody definitely pictures them as not wanted here,
even if MIC sees them as nice buddies.


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[kersley]

I have to agree with Jorr.
If we visited a new planet and came into contact with another race of humans, in turn pass over some deadly virus which cause many of them to die.
Would this mean we are evil? of course not, but if we kept on going back there knowing this is a fact, that would make us evil.

What about emotions? The greys seems to be lacking emotions, is this by choice?
How do you tell a cat not to kill and eat the mice,when it was designed to do just that?

Emotion is the key. any beings out there without emotions would be dangerous to us here on this planet. in fact many humans here on earth who lacks emotion are extremely dangerous to the rest of us.
The name Bush springs to mind. I can think of many others. How and why they do these evil things is beyond me. The part of emotion which carries love and care is simply not present..

[InCiDeR]

In my opinion, I think we approaching the idea of the Greys wrong.

The human brain often have the tendency to structure the surrounding in an understandable way. Therefore we are likely to read human behaviour and thought processes in, for example, pets.

Do we really believe pets thinks like us?
Are there ANY animal on this planet that we REALLY believe thinking as humans?

So for me, I willingly admit that I have no clue whether the Greys are evil or not... and nor do I consider that question applicable on the Greys...

They could be acting out of a cosmic principle or a physical constant of the universe that we have not yet discovered or maybe never will! They might even just participate in their home planets most popular sport... collecting alien bodies!

I think the best answer would be no answer, and instead remember who we are and where we are... AM I EVIL? :bathbaby:

[DreamsInDigital]

I think anyone that thinks greys are not a dangerous and parasitic race that needs to flat out be eliminated is naive. There are no "good" or "innocent" greys. They're parasites.

DreamsInDigital would you consider the inclusion of Dan Burisch's account of humans from our future as greys? The description would be very similar to the classic grey. I hope that there are some that are at some level "good."
I'm sorry but there aren't any "good" greys, nor do I agree in anyway with Dan Brusich's account of humans from our future as greys. It doesn't match up in anyway with the years of research i've done, nor does it with the 27yrs of consistent contact I've had and information I've received from ET/ED's or my own soul memories. Something to consider, after a very short period of time DB had been "gotten to" by various sources and became unreliable as a whistle blower very early on. So it's difficult if not impossible to trust much of what he says concerning ET's and their involvements here. The ET/ED's I'm in contact with and every single one of their Allied Worlds races have "Shoot on sight" orders concerning Greys and for a very good reason, they need to be wiped out completely. As well the Regressive varieties of Reptoids.

[Blue Fox]

I don't think that the Greys should be eliminated folks. I do know the one who abducted me looked at me as if I was an insect and I did not feel any love from him only contempt like I was a frog or some other animal that he was going to dissect.

[DreamsInDigital]

I don't think that the Greys should be eliminated folks. I do know the one who abducted me looked at me as if I was an insect and I did not feel any love from him only contempt like I was a frog or some other animal that he was going to dissect.
We can think all we want, one way or another. I'm just stating what I know to be facts. They're going to be exterminated completely it's for the best possible outcomes and safety of the entire galaxy if not the whole universe. They don't belong here and neither do the Dracos and Hydras, they're from another universe also and are going to be exterminated.

[RAPBRASIL]

Dear pharoah21,

Warm Greetings!

My experiences for many years have changed my understanding along the way. When I was younger, I was covered with fear and had to lose consciousness before they could manifest. The next morning there was most certainly blood either on my pillow or the tip of my nose. As awareness and spirituality increased, I was able to resist losing consciousness. I was then able to sense their presence. They left and was replaced with more forcefull beings... that is when I would wake up with a sore body. Sexual Experiments were done. These beings even tried to enter my body. Only my spiritual vibration stops them from controlling me. Be very wise as to which are your own thoughts and feelings as they tend to place false feelings. The greater your self consciousness, the better for you. Just remember that if their intentions were noble, I am certain we as souls would help them openly.

[Cilka]

If you get high on psychedelics then you can also experience an alien abduction. Alien abductions do not have to be only physical. If you are afraid of aliens then stay away from drugs.

[solo]

No they are not evil, of cause not. I receive a short message once from a Grey. My brother and I have been holding a circle (meditation night) once a week for quite a few years now, and have had many visitors - human and non-human.
One night we had a group of greys make their appearance, and the vibrations of the room changed dramatically. I forget the question I asked but I wont forget the answer. One grey said - WE ARE NOT MONSTERS AS SOME SAY WE ARE - ITS YOUR FEAR THAT PORTRAYS US AS MONSTERS. FEAR IS THE MONSTER.

[Endity]

That is quite a powerful statement solo. I had chills go up my spine. Wise words from our friends above. I would give anything to be able to have a close relationship with them but sad to say I feel it not within my power :(

[marique3652]

Hi pharoh21, unfortunately I suspect nobody on this forum will be able to answer your question with absolute certainty. The fact of the matter is that even those who have had personal experiences with "some" of these beings won't be able to definitively say that ALL OF THEM are of a particular persuasion, either good or bad.

As I understand it there are at least a few different types of greys, each residing in different star systems and therefore would likely have evolved independently from one another. Logic tells me that if this is the case then each of them would have developed their own set of beliefs, constructs, paradigms, agendas etc etc.

In all likelihood there are probably billions of these beings coexisting with us in this, our universe. So to suggest that they are all evil, insidious and manipulative would be like saying all human beings are loving, caring and respectful... we all know this unfortunately is not the case.

Therefore, I think we can safely assume that there is likely to be great diversity amongst such a group of beings, just like that which can be observed in our own species.

From my own experiences with being abducted repeatedly as part of their ( I do not even know for sure the species, only through reading did I figure out what I Think the are) "breeding" program, I came to the conclusion that it is VERY difficult not demonizing or vilifying their intrusion into one's life against one's will. I was abucted first when I was eight years old and playing hide and seek with a friend in the middle of the day in the field behind my house. The abductions happened until I was no longer of child bearing age, in short most of my adult life as well. I am not going to go into all my history with my abductions and experiences as it would take up waaay too much space. I can honestly say that I demonized them in my mind as my experiences began to surface through hypnotherapy that I was driven to seek to put the shattered pieces of my childhood back together, and to deal with the things that were done to me as soon as I became of child bearing age, and to deal with all I had become due to my multiple "takings". Memories would surface when I least expected it, sometimes as daymares while fully awake, often as horrendous nightmares where you cannot wake up no matter how you try, and sometimes just out of the blue I would remember things, kind of like pieces of a jigsaw puzzle where the pieces would line up all by themselves and fit together.

Only after I was able to let go or dilute of all my rage, indignation, and feelings of isolation, paranoia and anxiety about all that happened to me that I was able to begin to really grow as a loving human being with compassion for all of God's creations.....I was a very troubled and emotionally numb person for a long period in my life. It was so hard because all of the negativity that being abducted causes is the toughest thing in the world it seems, to deal with and certainly it seems the lonliest thing to deal with immaginable. You are victimized against your will and turned into a human lab rat and treated like one. No such thing as personal privacy, you are totally naked and vulnerable and unable to stop anyting no matter how painful. If you tried to share your experiences and reach out to get close to anyone you are labeled as a nut job or delusional. You can't sleep at night and live in fear every hour of every day just waiting to get that ringing in your ear and then lose your ability to control your body in any way, one minute you are in one place and all of a sudden it is like time is suspended and you are in this horrible and terrifying nightmare over which you have no control whatsoever, all the while dealing with creatures that are terrifying to look at and even worse to smell which is like rotting moldering eggs and a sicky sweet/acidic smell like rotten oranges basting in vinegar or sulfur. Their smell I will never forget nor will I never forget the touch of their skin which felt like touching a squishy substance yet it was dry and cracked feeling at the same time (impossible to describe, maybe like touching an elephant with a bad case of edema comes to mind, lol). I will not paint a rosy picture of the experiences because they were so dreadful in every way to me and I can not think of a single thing to candy coat it. It was so easy to hate and detest them and wish harm to them...so easy. But all that fear and hatred is just as destructive to ones soul as the actual abductions. It is so hard to live so bitter and angry and feeling like a victim. At times I was not sure who I was more angry at, the species that claimed me as a biological experiment or my fellow humans for not believing me and shunning me and labeling me as a fraud or as a delusional nut job. All that anger can eat a person alive. I realized that if I was to have any chance of a happiness in my life that I had to deal with the anger, bitterness and rage. That was really really difficult to do. I prayed every night of my life for forgiveness to come to my heart so I could move forward, and it took me many many many years to come to peace about all that occured, and to realize that I will never understand an nth degree of why I was chosen to have all that stuff happen to me. I grew to realize I had to have faith that there was a purpose and that hating was not the answer. I learned to have compassion and that made all the difference. People used to tell me that I had chosen to have those experiences as a soul agreement with the grays and my thoughts on that was it was total bull****...of course the people trying to sell me on that idea probably meant well, but I just did not buy into it. Maybe it is true though, who knows. Sounds like a cop out though, kind of like I will make your life living hell and make you wish you were dead every day but you will thank me for it, yeah rigghttt....as Bill Cosby used to say....But hating like I did was not the answer. I just hope some day I will know WHY it all happened to me. How often I asked my self and the universe WHY ME, what did I do to deserve this???? Hope it was for a good cause. I am sure there are progeny of me out there somewhere and I hope they are well, that is all I can say. Maybe They are the reason why...In this lifetime I just hope I will know. Sorry for the ramble, this topic is very much the story of my life.

I do agree with D-Day that not all members of any species are bad or ill intentioned. In my case I feel that the species that took me did it for the survival of their species, they told me that telepathically many times....I DO believe that and so I forgive, I have to if I am to survive at all. Humans do things to their own fellow humans that are unconscienable and horrible for far less important reasons, so I cannot hate them all, I just hate what they did to my life. It boils down to we are all part of the "one" and love and compassion for every one and every species is the only thing that really matters. Love trumps every time.

[Endity]

Marique thank you for sharing your story. You are a truly brave human being, I am sure the past no matter how horrific the experience was it will fade to white and heal. Keep that love in your heart. Proud of ya!!

[marique3652]

Marique thank you for sharing your story. You are a truly brave human being, I am sure the past no matter how horrific the experience was it will fade to white and heal. Keep that love in your heart. Proud of ya!!

Thank you so much Endity. I do not know if I am brave or not, just a survivor. I thought of myself as a coward most of the time because I wanted to kill myself to make it all stop but did not dare to do so, truthfully. I was afraid they would somehow get my soul, and then what, I asked myself? Guess I can say my cowardise is what kept me alive for many years....offing myself would have been easier I thought many times but I did not dare. That is the truth. So maybe not so brave, but I am a survivor if nothing else. I just feel compelled to finish it out so maybe some day I can know the answers I seek.

[Endity]

Marique thank you for sharing your story. You are a truly brave human being, I am sure the past no matter how horrific the experience was it will fade to white and heal. Keep that love in your heart. Proud of ya!!

Thank you so much Endity. I do not know if I am brave or not, just a survivor. I thought of myself as a coward most of the time because I wanted to kill myself to make it all stop but did not dare to do so, truthfully. I was afraid they would somehow get my soul, and then what, I asked myself? Guess I can say my cowardise is what kept me alive for many years....offing myself would have been easier I thought many times but I did not dare. That is the truth. So maybe not so brave, but I am a survivor if nothing else. I just feel compelled to finish it out so maybe some day I can know the answers I seek.

I am very sure you will find the answers you speak. I think no matter if you feel it was cowardice or for whatever reason why you stayed you did. To me that does not show a sign of weakness but a big sign of strength. Just remember keep strong, not matter how severe the pain on trauma to the body and mind your soul is always yours to keep. Best wishes and positive thoughts being sent to you :)

[Ry.com]

if something tried ana l probing me id call it evil :(

[Rocky_Shorz]

Last night I had an extremely difficult time getting to sleep. I felt very anxious all night, and just wasn't having a very peaceful night. At about 3:40 am, I woke up because I had to visit the boys room (don't you hate when that happens) and I wasn't in the best of moods, knowing how hard it was going to be to get back to sleep.

After a little while, when I had my eyes closed, a grey alien appeared to me. It's important to note that I have trouble visualising anything at all in my mind, or creating any images, so after seeing this, I knew I was being visited in a way, this was not imaginary. He looked at me and telepathically asked, "Do you really think we're all bad?" I said to him "I think it would be foolish to say that ALL of you are bad, or that all of you are good." I then felt an awkward silence, and I suddenly realised, that regardless of the way this being looked, he was my brother. All the animals, trees, and people of the world are my brothers and sisters, and I realised that even if they are not on Earth, I believe these beings also have a soul, a spirit, and that automatically makes me and him, brothers of the same kind.

So I felt the urge to do, something that I have never heard about before. I walked up to the being, and I hugged him. I thought, if he is good, I can do this, if he isn't, well, what's the worst that can happen to me? There was quite a strong emotional connection as I did this, and we both started levitating, then floating upwards in to the sky, as I fell in to a VERY deep, deep sleep.

it is the one thing they are jealous of Humans for, and why they spend so much time watching over us...

In all of the spirits I have met through the travels, never once have I seen a grey...

they are more like biological robots...

hard to explain, but they can't say been there done that, one reason they are so connected to many, hoping to learn how to have one...

they think it is part of our living being, not understanding it is what we are part of...

[bogeyman]

I have read many things about these "Grey" types. Some accounts say their form are just bio-suits, and there really form is underneath, other accounts they are a form of biological robots. Some say there were created by higher intelligences. But it seems there are many different types of these "Greys", maybe this difference is a form of hierarchy?

[MistahMojoRisin]

Pharoah21,
Great story, thank you for sharing.
1) great outlook on the situation. We are all connected. Loving all including those who are precieved to be lower vibration (or some may call evil or service to self) is a healthy way of dealing with discomfort. We are all connected in my view and just like in our world we have many humans and to judge all for the actions of a race is unfair.
2)Recently some Grey's or/and Reptilians have been observing me more as I grow spiritually and psychicly and All I can do is clear, protect an send love but heal others affected by there lower vibrations.
3) Given my past/other lives it would be easy for me to HATE them or Reptilians but ultimatly sending them love or showing them how peace and love works is the best solution at this time (For me).

I applaud you on many levels, Somone said only you can decipher what this means to you and I agree. Thank you for sharing your story and I send you my gratitude and joy for what you have done with your friend.

[freespirit]

Last night I had an extremely difficult time getting to sleep. I felt very anxious all night, and just wasn't having a very peaceful night. At about 3:40 am, I woke up because I had to visit the boys room (don't you hate when that happens) and I wasn't in the best of moods, knowing how hard it was going to be to get back to sleep.

After a little while, when I had my eyes closed, a grey alien appeared to me. It's important to note that I have trouble visualising anything at all in my mind, or creating any images, so after seeing this, I knew I was being visited in a way, this was not imaginary. He looked at me and telepathically asked, "Do you really think we're all bad?" I said to him "I think it would be foolish to say that ALL of you are bad, or that all of you are good." I then felt an awkward silence, and I suddenly realised, that regardless of the way this being looked, he was my brother. All the animals, trees, and people of the world are my brothers and sisters, and I realised that even if they are not on Earth, I believe these beings also have a soul, a spirit, and that automatically makes me and him, brothers of the same kind.

So I felt the urge to do, something that I have never heard about before. I walked up to the being, and I hugged him. I thought, if he is good, I can do this, if he isn't, well, what's the worst that can happen to me? There was quite a strong emotional connection as I did this, and we both started levitating, then floating upwards in to the sky, as I fell in to a VERY deep, deep sleep.

I don't think they are evil.But I do think they are Stupid

[eileenrose]

I had a visit from one (in the ether).

A grey, I mean.

I was startled. Up until then they were just an idea. Becoming a real living breathe reality wasn't what I had in mind. Luckily I havn't had any visits since (remotely).

Can't say I'd go out to lunch with one. There wasn't nothing nice or friendly in it's aura. Just cold calculation....like a machine on steroids.

Whatever dimension they reside in, it isn't this one. All I can say on the topic.

And regarding if they are evil, all machine type entities are way past evil.

[ED209]

This story is very nice. I like it. And I believe it. And thank you for sharing. I feel sorry for the alien and you were nice to show him compassion. But I don't care if some aliens are individually good if they are working collectively on some vile reproductive project that only serves them and creates disjointed families. You shouldn't have to meditate to talk to your child, you should just get to talk to it. Who do they think they are using people like that? They don't even bother to ask for volunteers, they just take people, right? If they asked nicely, I bet some people might volunteer to help them with there gene pool problem. They violate all sorts of basic human rights and then have the nerve to ask for empathy or forgiveness? If aliens were earth humans they would be charged with rape, abduction, trespassing, operating without a medical license, stalking, cruelty, and harassment. I have very negative feelings towards aliens. :-(

[Spiral]

Having just read this whole thread, its 2 cents time, as an experiment/program myself ;

Evil is a relativistic conception, and is not really worth bothering with, nasty or unpleasant is a better reference.

As for Greys, well there are different races of them, tall & small, and some are more of a tan / brown colour, then there are the much more commonly encountered PLFs (programmable life forms) used extensively by Reptoids & the NSA , they all have their own agendas, codes of conduct etc etc

When you hear an abduction account & they say "I looked in its eyes, and it had no soul ", thats because its a PLF (they also have rounder eyes)

Most people talk about the hybrid breeding program, but there are other programs that are stranger, darker & much less known.

[Haujeancontactee]

Last night I had an extremely difficult time getting to sleep. I felt very anxious all night, and just wasn't having a very peaceful night. At about 3:40 am, I woke up because I had to visit the boys room (don't you hate when that happens) and I wasn't in the best of moods, knowing how hard it was going to be to get back to sleep.

After a little while, when I had my eyes closed, a grey alien appeared to me. It's important to note that I have trouble visualising anything at all in my mind, or creating any images, so after seeing this, I knew I was being visited in a way, this was not imaginary. He looked at me and telepathically asked, "Do you really think we're all bad?" I said to him "I think it would be foolish to say that ALL of you are bad, or that all of you are good." I then felt an awkward silence, and I suddenly realised, that regardless of the way this being looked, he was my brother. All the animals, trees, and people of the world are my brothers and sisters, and I realised that even if they are not on Earth, I believe these beings also have a soul, a spirit, and that automatically makes me and him, brothers of the same kind.

So I felt the urge to do, something that I have never heard about before. I walked up to the being, and I hugged him. I thought, if he is good, I can do this, if he isn't, well, what's the worst that can happen to me? There was quite a strong emotional connection as I did this, and we both started levitating, then floating upwards in to the sky, as I fell in to a VERY deep, deep sleep.

The greys are neither good nor evil, they just follow orders. The greys and insectoids which aren't really insects are biological slaves employed by other races who need them to do vast amounts of work that they don't have the manpower to handle.

[melpizza]

I also have been an abducted, many times, and thats what happened to you, you were abducted. As you said, you floated upward, then after you don't recall anything. Look at it from this perspective, they did their experiments on you without your consent and knowledge; thats not ok, thats rude. Because you are probably a kind hearted person you naturally want to extend kindness to all. Do not freely give away your power of self without consent or something in return. Because you remember this incident tells me you are developing an integration of mind/soul, thats why you remember, many do not. No "brother" would be secretive and do things to you without your knowledge. I urge you to reconsider your feelings, you are a powerful being don't let yourself be used as someone's doormat.

[Kristin]

Unfortunately we are not dealing with a level playing field. We do not know the agenda, and perhaps only know pieces of it. Under those circumstances, we are not on equal footing in terms of why they do what they do and unfortunately have not been given an invitation nor a choice in the matter. That's not very positive, nor is it neighbourly. We are defined by our free will, when freedom is compromised (and remember a cage can be full of velvet and cushions but it is still a cage) our free will has been taken away. The rest are descriptives: slaves, food, cattle, lab experiments, whatever we are to them.

On the larger view though, yes, we are all related to some measure in that we share the same spaces and are made of the energy of the universe. Infinite. So do we love our captors? Do we question them? Do we try to go against their imposition? Well, why not all three? Is not love capable of questioning force and power and is not love bringing knowledge into dark places? Sure, love your neighbours but don't allow them to get away with your freedom, autonomy, and your will.

My two cents.

From the Heart,
Wormhole

[ernesto]

In my opinion, the question is tricky.
If we consider that bodies are not the real beings, but a vehicle for the "soul" or whatever you may call it, to "play" the game in the phisical universe, the question loose sense.
Certain civilizations in the phisical universe may be comprised by members using all kind of bodies, and in some cases those bodies are like our uniforms, comunicating a diferent rank.
In such a case certain being could be promoted, changing his or her body to another which might mean "an upgrade" or a "promotion" to another rank.
If we could "translate" the question to our phisical world here in earth, it would be like asking:
Are people driving Ford trucks, really evils?
Would you change your personality by changing your car?
I think not, although some car advertisement may say the oposite!

Ernesto

[Nanoo Nanoo]

There is a simple answer.

Are the whites evil? Answer, some are and some arent

Are the blacks evil? Answer, some are and some arent

Are Americans evil? Answer, some are and some arent

Are Aliens evil, Answer some are and some arent even within the same species. Even those in society that appear to be most evil have had moments of clarity and changed for the better.


And yes i have seen a good version of a grey, but a differing faction. They are a common model for hirarchy to copy as worker bees. Copy as in manufacture as subordinates.

N

[modwiz]

Absolute evil? I think that is a grey area of consideration. :pound:

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Absolute evil? I think that is a grey area of consideration. :pound:

Boom tish! lol

[Ry.com]

with humans your rite but with grey aliens you dont know what there agenda is

[ernesto]

with humans your rite but with grey aliens you dont know what there agenda is
But... do you really know humans agenda?
If so, please tell me!

E

[Diddibigeni]

The only conscious/wakeful memory I have regarding these little guys involved a tiny blue "grey". I didn't sense anything evil at all.

[Simon]

The greys that I have been visited by are more like little robots, the Programmed Life Forms of researchers, when I was around 3 1/2 years old I called them " the little helpers" because they helped the mantis doctors. As I got older I just called them " the little ones" it was only in 2009 that I started to call them The Greys. But I have also been visited by "greys" with small eyes who taught me stuff. I dont like the PLF and I have struck one across its face ( a slap- not a punch) I could not use my mind against it because I was in this world not there's - the little one was trying to pull me toward an opening and I was cross. I have been taken to see a white winged reptile by a little one - who after he messaged me " do you know who this great lord is ?" then fully prostrated himself down on the floor like what you guys call the felony position - only he was being subserviant to his lord. So I have never been hurt by a little one and i can not say if they are evil - I dont like them because they told me that they were "humans" in the future, or at least one possible future and I think they sold out the human race for "gifts" so I dont like them. Also the mantis that collects me regular said that their crashes at New mexico brought the Orion Cubes which nearly cost humanity its destruction cos humans played around with time.

[Daughter of Time]

Since greys are a slave race, then they do what their masters command them to do.

Some of the things they do to humans can definitely be considered evil. Would they do such things if they were not commanded to do them?

Are they commanded to extract ova and sperm and run other experiments on humans out of their own volition, or is it their job to do such things? Do they have a choice in the matter? Are the ova and sperm used for their own survival? This would not be too difficult to understand. But what about the other things they do which appear to be downright sadistic? Do those things feed them? Or do they feed their masters? Does anyone know what goes to greys' minds as they do what they do?

They appear to be compassionless. Is this because they lack emotions as we humans know them? Or is it because they don't really care that they hurt some of us?

It's hard to say whether they are evil or whether the evil resides with their masters. It's a grey area!

[Prodigal Son]

Does anyone really choose evil? Surely they choose whatever they choose because they see some good in it. For the people we call insane their actions are the rational response to an insane world. Evil people make choices that benefit themselves, or others in their loop such as friends and family, at the expense of others. So the "good" they see is for themselves or those they know and not humanity in general.

[Chris Gilbert]

They're not "evil" in any sense that most humans might think of it, but their sense of morality is quite different from ours, and many don't have much regard for things like individual thought/expression.

[pugwash84]

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This video is probably not real or it would have been taken down by now but I do believe they are working with the governments. xxx

[Wind]

I don't think that they're all evil. There are what... 57 different ET races visiting Earth? Don't judge a book by it's cover.

[modwiz]

No. More like rebels without a cause. Really. This should prove very helpful: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51702-Threat-Assessment-and-Analysis-with-Crystal-Clark-James-Horak-Randy-Maugans&p=580240&viewfull=1#post580240

[Eram]

The greys that I have been visited by are more like little robots, the Programmed Life Forms of researchers, when I was around 3 1/2 years old I called them " the little helpers" because they helped the mantis doctors. As I got older I just called them " the little ones" it was only in 2009 that I started to call them The Greys. But I have also been visited by "greys" with small eyes who taught me stuff. I dont like the PLF and I have struck one across its face ( a slap- not a punch) I could not use my mind against it because I was in this world not there's - the little one was trying to pull me toward an opening and I was cross. I have been taken to see a white winged reptile by a little one - who after he messaged me " do you know who this great lord is ?" then fully prostrated himself down on the floor like what you guys call the felony position - only he was being subserviant to his lord. So I have never been hurt by a little one and i can not say if they are evil - I dont like them because they told me that they were "humans" in the future, or at least one possible future and I think they sold out the human race for "gifts" so I dont like them. Also the mantis that collects me regular said that their crashes at New mexico brought the Orion Cubes which nearly cost humanity its destruction cos humans played around with time.

Hi Simon,

Welcome on Project Avalon.

your story and name remind me of some youtube's that I saw some time ago about a man that had encounter with mantis and grey beings..

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Is it possible that you and the man in the youtube are one and the same?

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I dont know if this has been said before inthis thread but greys are a " type " model worker bee. They do vary depending on functional needs as requested by the breeder.

They come in so many shapes and forms from tiny ones that fit in the palm of your hand. The largest iv seen was about 3-4 foot tall. It had small eyes and large ears, long nose and couldnt walk properly, it waddled. It was a doctor scout, or monitoring companion.

I think " evil " as a description is often used when people do not understand the function of the being. I guess i find it hard to label something that has always been nice to me.

Greys have specific functions they are given. Because they are generally amsub servient class they are often given the " dirty " jobs. Like the guy that has to dart a tiger and prep it for surgery at the zoo.

I guess when people are full of fear their experience changes. How they see it is different to perhaps what its function is.

N

[Kiforall]

My Daughter had a dream on Wed night about an imprisoned 'alien' it was on a table, strapped down and was being experimented on. She said it was in Russia.
It asked her for her Love so it could die and end the torture it was enduring.
My Son has also had dreams about aliens in America and Germany, very similar messages coming through.

I myself don't do aliens at the moment but the theory I have is that if they are working for the badpeople at the moment and see us awakening maybe they want to change sides?

If they are aware of humanities awakening could they be looking for forgiveness?

Have they realized that Love is something that they have never experienced and as it grows within us they are panicing that they are all tarred with the same brush.

My daughter sent love to the alien all the next day and in her dream that night it came back and thanked her, it had died in the Lab and the pain was over. It told her everything was alright now.

If the Grays are asking for our forgiveness and compassion, how long will it be before entities that are controlling them alos realize the time has come to choose the light side ;)

Zoe x

[pharoah21]

Wow......it's been a long time since my last visit here. Really loving all the responses this thread is getting, very interesting conversation happening. The whole E.T thing is so fascinating, but it's so hard to get a grip on what is REALLY happening. Everyone's got their own theory and beliefs, I feel like the more I read the less I know.

[Youniverse]

Evil is only a concept we developed in duality. And the concept is fluid, changes over time. I have a friend that has dreams like this and shares great insights into the Gray, Pleiadians, Annunaki, etc. and he says the Grays are actually us in what we'd call our distant future. And when you listen to Jim Sparks and others you get the sense these beings are very unemotional and probably do not really appreciate our concept of good and evil. Something else he said I found interesting was that the so-called abductees are future Grays that made an agreement with their contemporaries to have these experiments or specimen taking or whatever they do here now done.

[Shade]

Considering Avalon at large and the nature of this thread I don't suppose me telling a strange story will look too much out of place : )
Quite a few years ago now, I had a fight. A big one. My energy was high and my crown as bright as they come. And I took on the greys and a few others as well - because they were standing inbetween this planet and her inhabitants in wearing their own crown. I fought to say get the hell off our planet and away from our sovereignty. Suffice to say that after a few days of intense war I got blasted with a time-space bomb that blasted me into as many pieces as there are things. And I cannot even state adequately the damage it did.. I could barely get out of bed for a few years and I lost the ability to feel as well. Every body I had except my physical one was utterly destroyed. And I mean totally. (and I will add that I also became "linked" to their Montauk, Philadelphia and assorted black-op 'time' experiments bullsh*t as a result of this as well)

What happened though was interesting. There are a number of layers also, with which to understand what happened from the lower ones in which there are players and separations and the higher ones where the universal alchemist ate the ripe fruit I was and deposited my seed into the underworld draw so I could grow again without illusion.. and head of my own tree of life. Which is exactly what happened. [Many shamanic initiations involve getting ripped apart and eaten into the daal the belly of the goddess, which for me at that time was my entry from 5D [perfection], which I had mastered, into 6D - the first hell. 5D is also the mirror line between 1 and 10, the higher scalar perfection. 6D is when the mirror shatters and you pass through it]. In being shattered into as many pieces as things I became grown up and through all things, from the beginning of time to the end of it. Individuation involves knowing your individuations as all indivudations, or your individuation isn't one in all scalars as a fractal. And consciousness travels, knows itself through self embedded fractals. In so saying, I became all space-time. yeah I know.. wtf but hey if I can't say this sh*t on Avalon where the f*ck CAN I say it eh????

When I see the greys now I am not just looking at them from the inside out, from me to them, but also from behind them from the end of time back to me [from all outside in]. And what I know of them is that they really are not what they appear to be. They are projections from the DNA based human-Earth consciousness field and particular manifestations of every arrangement of energy [in condensed form] which brings about potentially the human timeline becoming that which is 'them'. They are purely human projects - they are not real as in a creature which really comes from 'out there'. They are real to the touch etc. but they are NOT from anywhere else but US. If that part of the human 'bodies' was healed and rearranged into a balanced harmonious life supporting field structure - the greys would fade away. They would die. They would stop visiting us. etc. In the sense of a Macro Earth Field - they aren't 'out there' they are 'in here'. Are they evil???? Well in the sense that they are a manifestation, a representation, a product of that which does NOT support health and beauty and wholeness and individuated sovereignty in each being on the Earth and respect for all life upon it.... they are not 'healthy'.. no. And the best response... in all seriousness? Pay them no mind or energy in their persona as Greys. And if you do... see through to their real form - the body of you, of us and the Earth which in all reality wants to return to its healthy and harmonious state. Which doesn't contain greys.

So are they parasites? I would have to agree that they are. Are they us from the future? In some senses they are, but the future is now, and is space. All time is, is space[forms] in arrangement and how the arrangements produce scalar music and are perceived by each other form. I think an important thing about it is that they are not individuals, they are illusions. Respect where respect is due, and to waste energy on illusions is parasitic to the health and wellbeing of all life on Earth.

[Youniverse]

Considering Avalon at large and the nature of this thread I don't suppose me telling a strange story will look too much out of place : )
Quite a few years ago now, I had a fight. A big one. My energy was high and my crown as bright as they come. And I took on the greys and a few others as well - because they were standing inbetween this planet and her inhabitants in wearing their own crown. I fought to say get the hell off our planet and away from our sovereignty. Suffice to say that after a few days of intense war I got blasted with a time-space bomb that blasted me into as many pieces as there are things. And I cannot even state adequately the damage it did.. I could barely get out of bed for a few years and I lost the ability to feel as well. Every body I had except my physical one was utterly destroyed. And I mean totally. (and I will add that I also became "linked" to their Montauk, Philadelphia and assorted black-op 'time' experiments bullsh*t as a result of this as well)

What happened though was interesting. There are a number of layers also, with which to understand what happened from the lower ones in which there are players and separations and the higher ones where the universal alchemist ate the ripe fruit I was and deposited my seed into the underworld draw so I could grow again without illusion.. and head of my own tree of life. Which is exactly what happened. [Many shamanic initiations involve getting ripped apart and eaten into the daal the belly of the goddess, which for me at that time was my entry from 5D [perfection], which I had mastered, into 6D - the first hell. 5D is also the mirror line between 1 and 10, the higher scalar perfection. 6D is when the mirror shatters and you pass through it]. In being shattered into as many pieces as things I became grown up and through all things, from the beginning of time to the end of it. Individuation involves knowing your individuations as all indivudations, or your individuation isn't one in all scalars as a fractal. And consciousness travels, knows itself through self embedded fractals. In so saying, I became all space-time. yeah I know.. wtf but hey if I can't say this sh*t on Avalon where the f*ck CAN I say it eh????

When I see the greys now I am not just looking at them from the inside out, from me to them, but also from behind them from the end of time back to me [from all outside in]. And what I know of them is that they really are not what they appear to be. They are projections from the DNA based human-Earth consciousness field and particular manifestations of every arrangement of energy [in condensed form] which brings about potentially the human timeline becoming that which is 'them'. They are purely human projects - they are not real as in a creature which really comes from 'out there'. They are real to the touch etc. but they are NOT from anywhere else but US. If that part of the human 'bodies' was healed and rearranged into a balanced harmonious life supporting field structure - the greys would fade away. They would die. They would stop visiting us. etc. In the sense of a Macro Earth Field - they aren't 'out there' they are 'in here'. Are they evil???? Well in the sense that they are a manifestation, a representation, a product of that which does NOT support health and beauty and wholeness and individuated sovereignty in each being on the Earth and respect for all life upon it.... they are not 'healthy'.. no. And the best response... in all seriousness? Pay them no mind or energy in their persona as Greys. And if you do... see through to their real form - the body of you, of us and the Earth which in all reality wants to return to its healthy and harmonious state. Which doesn't contain greys.

So are they parasites? I would have to agree that they are. Are they us from the future? In some senses they are, but the future is now, and is space. All time is, is space[forms] in arrangement and how the arrangements produce scalar music and are perceived by each other form. I think an important thing about it is that they are not individuals, they are illusions. Respect where respect is due, and to waste energy on illusions is parasitic to the health and wellbeing of all life on Earth.

Hmmm, an intriguing perspective for sure. Much of that makes sense compared to what I've heard of the Grays. I've heard that they are not Ets or Aliens in the sense that most of us understand them. They may indeed be some kind of entity/projection from another dimension that tunnels into our realm for whatever reason. They seem to come from a dimension that is outside of this reality altogether. I'm no expert on them for sure(is anyone really?), that's just something I've heard. So they are merely time-travellers moving along a certain timeline? I don't know.

[Shade]

There's a reason they have no insides - because they don't [not in body or any other measure]. There's a reason they have no alimentary canal and they are so interested in ours. And I mean that as in they are represented in our reality as having no insides because they are insideless, they are hollow, metaphorically speaking - they have no full bodied reality, they are a shell (many describe them as such). It is all coded I think, in interpretation.

What I find interesting is how much reality they have been given within...like if you dream something up.. make a projected entity as these guys are, how much consciousness do they infact have? They struggle to make sense of themselves, in a limited fashion I think. Strange that I see them as robots but not as in a mechanised life form but one which cannot be anything other than that which is projecting it - our inner psyche. They are OUR robots but now they have been given life - fixing up projected physical entities can be an extremely difficult task and has been known about for a very long time. What they are doing to us is exactly what we are doing to ourselves and our planet and our animals. They express what humanity suppresses both within and without. And the likeness to ants? That is exactly the DNA in the Earth-human holographic projector that we chose to personify them.

[TrumanCash]

Most Grays are just low-level workers, even the tall ones. They are spiritual beings just like us except they have different kind of bodies. They are mostly just doing what they have been programmed to do and are just doing what they are told to do. Not much of a life, eh? You might compare them to the train engineer driving the Jews to Auschwitz--they're just doing their job. They are implanters--both psychological and physical implants--and they have been implanted themselves and are just carrying out their programming which began millions of years ago.

There are a few tall Grays that are involved with higher levels of administration on this planet as was reported by Phil Schneider who attended the real UN meetings underground where a panel of tall Grays oversaw the meeting.

For more information you can visit my MATRIX REVEALED thread or read my books, which are free of charge.

Best Wishes,
Truman L. Cash

[Hervé]

...


"They are us from the future"


I have been chewing on that one for a very, very long while...


Beside the sci-fi versions that warp time on itself into pretzels, there is a literal way of looking at it that could be true as seen from the greys' wishful-thinking perspective.


And that comes from their own history as recounted below by Franz Erdl:








The sorrowful history of the Grays


Usually I write about my personal experiences only and avoid quoting stuff which I don't really know much about. In this case I make an exception because a book, which I read a long time ago is the missing link to our own experiences with the Grays. I forgot the name of the author, but I remember he was an US-Military remote viewer. He drew the following conclusions:



once, the Grays used to live on their own planet
they fell prey to an invasion, which they haven't been aware of
unsighted, another race (probably Reptilians) caused catastrophes on their planet
when survival on their planet was almost impossible, the intruders appeared like saviours
the condition for their "help" was the obedience of the Grays


Alex Collier goes into more details on how the greys were about to disappear as an ethnic group because the lizzies got onto their case (and planet) and turned the females of the grey's species infertile and therefore unable to reproduce and provide for "containers" for their souls. Then the lizzies stepped in and proposed the greys with their cloning technology in exchange for their subservience.


That was million if not billion years ago.


So, here we are, on earth right now... and the female of our species is being assaulted from all fronts, from forced sterilization to HPV and other vaccines as well as medications, cosmetics, GMOs, etc, to get her infertile and unable to procreate those "useless eaters" as part of "Agenda 21" AKA depopulation program.


Then, all these stories of cloning and genetic engineering, etc, to which he lizzies are touted as being the master wizards of, for their genetic manipulation feats... so that the clones they tweak have an inherent inability to display emotions to be expressed or even permit emotions to be processed.


And there we go... right where the greys were million or billion of years ago... so, indeed, they are us form the future because that's the route we are taking for us to be like them in our future IF we fall for the lizzies' scam. Hence the "wishful-thinking" part of the equation since it depends on the time-line we engage on.


This gives a better understanding as to why the suppression of teachings and knowledge about reincarnation got replaced by the "one-lifetime-shot-at eternal-salvation" inculcating that one has got only one chance to make it to paradise and OBEY or else it's straight to hell! But that, too, is too hopeful, so, lately, it's being replaced by the theory of evolution and the materialism dialectic of "You are just a body, bud, and nothing else. At the end of your life, that's that, just nothingness awaits you, so better make the most of it now!"


Don't believe me. Take a look a those materialism dialecticians' "bible," DSM-5 where any emotion expressed outside of normalized "status quo" is deemed a disorder and therefore due to some chemical imbalance as a result of some genetic flaw no one can do anything about since one is born with it and will die with it... "Here, take this pill, it'll make you feel better!" ... and we end up with people seeing nothing wrong with shooting whole school dead since it's all a video game anyway, or "maya" or "illusion," etc.


So... do we want to be "them" in our projected future?

[TrumanCash]

Excellent post, Amzer! Yes, they sure seem to be pushing extremely hard now to implement the Agenda 21, drug-induced, 1984-style NWO, which to me does feel like the current Grays' way of life with infertility and emotionless, robotic behavior.

Thanks for your Franz Erdl quote. I found it very intriguing because a few months ago I recovered the memory of being a Gray and being abducted off my home planet. My life there was more like we live today, with families, etc, and not like the current Grays' monotonous life. I was abducted, not by Reptilians, but by another race of beings that had fat, bulbous-looking bodies--kinda reminded me of the Stay Puft Marshmallow guy (except I wasn't white). After being abducted in a Gray body, I had to "agree" to be implanted to work for these Stay Puft guys. This was a very, very long time ago. Later on, I actually incarnated in this bulbous-body race and attempted to carry out a Hitler-like crusade to annihilate all Grays (apparently acting out my previously implanted programming). The answer to my crusade was that my spaceship was blown up with me in it! LOL!

TLC



...


"They are us from the future"


I have been chewing on that one for a very, very long while...


Beside the sci-fi versions that warp time on itself into pretzels, there is a literal way of looking at it that could be true as seen from the greys' wishful-thinking perspective.


And that comes from their own history as recounted below by Franz Erdl:








The sorrowful history of the Grays


Usually I write about my personal experiences only and avoid quoting stuff which I don't really know much about. In this case I make an exception because a book, which I read a long time ago is the missing link to our own experiences with the Grays. I forgot the name of the author, but I remember he was an US-Military remote viewer. He drew the following conclusions:



once, the Grays used to live on their own planet
they fell prey to an invasion, which they haven't been aware of
unsighted, another race (probably Reptilians) caused catastrophes on their planet
when survival on their planet was almost impossible, the intruders appeared like saviours
the condition for their "help" was the obedience of the Grays


Alex Collier goes into more details on how the greys were about to disappear as an ethnic group because the lizzies got onto their case (and planet) and turned the females of the grey's species infertile and therefore unable to reproduce and provide for "containers" for their souls. Then the lizzies stepped in and proposed the greys with their cloning technology in exchange for their subservience.


That was million if not billion years ago.


So, here we are, on earth right now... and the female of our species is being assaulted from all fronts, from forced sterilization to HPV and other vaccines as well as medications, cosmetics, GMOs, etc, to get her infertile and unable to procreate those "useless eaters" as part of "Agenda 21" AKA depopulation program.


Then, all these stories of cloning and genetic engineering, etc, to which he lizzies are touted as being the master wizards of, for their genetic manipulation feats... so that the clones they tweak have an inherent inability to display emotions to be expressed or even permit emotions to be processed.


And there we go... right where the greys were million or billion of years ago... so, indeed, they are us form the future because that's the route we are taking for us to be like them in our future IF we fall for the lizzies' scam. Hence the "wishful-thinking" part of the equation since it depends on the time-line we engage on.


This gives a better understanding as to why the suppression of teachings and knowledge about reincarnation got replaced by the "one-lifetime-shot-at eternal-salvation" inculcating that one has got only one chance to make it to paradise and OBEY or else it's straight to hell! But that, too, is too hopeful, so, lately, it's being replaced by the theory of evolution and the materialism dialectic of "You are just a body, bud, and nothing else. At the end of your life, that's that, just nothingness awaits you, so better make the most of it now!"


Don't believe me. Take a look a those materialism dialecticians' "bible," DSM-5 where any emotion expressed outside of normalized "status quo" is deemed a disorder and therefore due to some chemical imbalance as a result of some genetic flaw no one can do anything about since one is born with it and will die with it... "Here, take this pill, it'll make you feel better!" ... and we end up with people seeing nothing wrong with shooting whole school dead since it's all a video game anyway, or "maya" or "illusion," etc.


So... do we want to be "them" in our projected future?

[Melatonin]

''Evil'' is a human concept.
Nevertheless, anything that disturbs people in their bedrooms at 3 AM and/or teleports them to some spaceship (in 3rd or 4rd density) in order to mistreat them / experiment on them against their will is evil in my book. Many people end up having serious psychiatric problems after the contact with grays.

(And please don't write ''we experiment on rats'' or ''we eat chicken''; well... I'm a vegetarian and don't like people mistreating animals or experimenting on them)


Grays are masters of manipulation.
They can evoke nice feelings, they can put false memories / dreams in your head (so you don't recall all the pain they did to you during the ''experimenting'' session).

It's in grays' agenda to find people who will promote them as ''nice beings'', and the contact with them as ''something desirable''.

This is just an example of Stockholm syndrome.


Stockholm syndrome, or capture–bonding, is a psychological phenomenon in which hostages express empathy and sympathy and have positive feelings toward their captors, sometimes to the point of defending them. These feelings are generally considered irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims, who essentially mistake a lack of abuse from their captors for an act of kindness.

---
There might be some goodish gray-like creatures, but I think these are
gray-human hybrids (who can feel sorrow, happiness, compassion because they are partly human).

[taotetim]

i guess its the same as saying are humans evil, alot of people dont like th
e child eating enteties but most humans eat anything that moves and wear the hides/skins. my friend is a caring father and upstanding model in the community but works in a chicken processing plant, i would imagine alot of animals think of humans much like way humans view some et races. just playing devils advocate. namaste

[Alexis]

Hi, Thanks for this post.
According to Anton Parks, the Grey ( Parks name them the MIMINU) are an stump of workers created by the Reptilians ( GINA'ABUL: reptile in Sumérian)
They are their slaves.
I give this link: Anton Parks by Gerry Zeitlinhttp://www.zeitlin.net/EndEnchantment/Secrets.html
Bye Bye

[bonnyhut]

The tall biological greys have a soul as far as I know. There are very few of them left. The small hybrid greys have no soul (in the way humans do) and they do most of the human experimentation, abductions and are the workers for the reptilians.

They have the ability to manipulate, control and wipe the human mind. I would not trust them.

I would, and have, set an intention to delete all contracts, agreements, permissions and invitations made with the greys (and close all gates) (including all other races that are not here for your best and highest good... )across all areas of space and time and non space and perhaps connect to a extraterrestrial group that you can trust. Im not saying they are all bad but are your thoughts yours or theirs... "a permission slip" for them to abduct you.

Obama and Hitler are also our brothers but would you trust them?
No contract.

[Molly]

Not sure if they actually can re-create humans or not. I'm unable to have anymore children & I can't be cloned due to RH negative blood but I'm still watched/visited.. so really I've got no clue what their interest is.

[Shane]

Only as evil as much as pencils are evil... Which they are not.

Evil people can use them to write, though.

(Assuming the "greys" mentioned are the common short, bobble-head "greys".. )

Some races are "all the same" but most (known) are a mixed bag like us.. Wherein some are "good" and others are evil. In my experience, no races are pure/all evil. (Although it's possible some are, all.) I wouldn't call the common "greys" evil or "good" or anything. Biological machines for the most part. (not as a rule)

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Only as evil as much as pencils are evil... Which they are not.

Evil people can use them to write, though.

(Assuming the "greys" mentioned are the common short, bobble-head "greys".. )

Some races are "all the same" but most (known) are a mixed bag like us.. Wherein some are "good" and others are evil. In my experience, no races are pure/all evil. (Although it's possible some are, all.) I wouldn't call the common "greys" evil or "good" or anything. Biological machines for the most part. (not as a rule)


Bingo! ... asking if Greys are evil is like asking, are human beings evil.

[Molly]

hehehe :p

http://www.prosportstickers.com/product_images/x/333_i_m_only_half_evil_sticker__27138.jpg

[GreenGuy]

I have had the idea for some time that the greys are not aliens at all but our own descendants, coming back from a future earth that's so polluted and radioactive that they have mutated into the form we see. They have advanced technology but can only reproduce in the laboratory. They can travel through time, and they come back to try to repair their DNA and possibly to alter the processes that led to their world being so damaged. Not saying I believe this is true, but since it first occurred to me I find that it explains a lot.

[DNA]

Not sure if they actually can re-create humans or not. I'm unable to have anymore children & I can't be cloned due to RH negative blood but I'm still watched/visited.. so really I've got no clue what their interest is.

I've never heard the theory about not being able to clone RH negative folk. Curious though :spy:

[GSW128]

Wonderful experience!! If you don’t mind me asking, what color was his skin? I’m curious because I was visited by what I believed to be a Grey back in December 2010. He was about 3 to 4 foot tall, extremely skinny with the large head and large dark almond-shaped eyes. But the color of his skin was a bit different from the Grey’s we have been accustom to seeing; he had greenish-blue skin that was somewhat translucent, almost like he was glowing in the dark, just a bit. The communication between us was completely telepathic, like an instant download. Anyway, about a year later after doing some research I realized he was not a Grey at all, but an Arcturian. According to Edgar Cayce the Arcturian’s fifth/sixth density beings and are by far the most advanced civilization in our galaxy; of course I would imagine everyone here would already know this about the Arcturian’s…

[The Castellan]

I would not say so. I'm not gonna judge an entire species.
Let me meet some and hang out with em for a bit.

I personally hope they are NOT time traveling humans, since that would be soooooo disappointing, since I am looking for aliens, NOT more humans.

Also, I heard the black eyes are actually protective lenses of a sort.

[birddog]

There are many many species of 'grays'. And, just as all people are different, look different, may have differences in speech and languages, and customs, or be of the better or worse variety (and individual choice), so, humans and aliens have that in common. Personally, I have seen (close up) many aliens...I prefer to refer to them as 'other world beings', because that is what they are. Most of them are much higher evolved and of a higher intelligence than we are, and are benevolent in nature. The good aliens would never trade technology with underdeveloped and less evolved worlds like Earth, because they would abuse the power, and may destroy themselves or others. Castellan, you are right. Behavior is in the individuals, but this (local) alien gray race is in trouble as they are dying out. They are fighting for their lives and we are in a sense doing the same. There is a silent struggle going on. Worse than that..look what the humans are doing to each other. The humans are poisoning the water with Fluoride, and other chemicals, vaccines are tainted, chemo is poison, when there are better cures for cancer, and they are not released to the public, our air is sprayed with chemicals, our food is tainted....people are causing unnecessary wars for causes other then what we are being told, humans are abducting humans...the list goes on and on. If we are going to turn this around, then we should first stop the human factor that is doing this to all of us, for without this, it could not have gone this far.
One more thing, and very important..Earth should have been much further advanced in technology...both advanced and conventional...but GREED...stopped it.

[andresrx1782]

Something that bugs me about Grey's (or most of these advanced species for that matter) is their technology is so good that they are capable of evoking strong emotion in us .. ie. we feel strong emotions of love or calmness at the "flick of a switch" on their end. This makes it very difficult for us to see the trees from the woods. ie. be able to tell good from bad. I know it is generally accepted that if you feel deep down inside yourself you will know the answer but this isn't easy when they throw their tech at you.

Yes, both technology and telepathy can achieve this.




a grey alien appeared to me
They came to check on the experiment most likely. They have not visited me in a long time, or maybe they perfected memory wipe technology. Thank you for sharing this pharoah21.

Here in Colombia I have noticed that most male abductions go until the thirties and across long intervals between them. With some cases getting telepathic check ups at least twice a year, reserving physical abductions for specific circumstances or individuals.

[The Castellan]

There are many many species of 'grays'. And, just as all people are different, look different, may have differences in speech and languages, and customs, or be of the better or worse variety (and individual choice), so, humans and aliens have that in common. Personally, I have seen (close up) many aliens...I prefer to refer to them as 'other world beings', because that is what they are. Most of them are much higher evolved and of a higher intelligence than we are, and are benevolent in nature. The good aliens would never trade technology with underdeveloped and less evolved worlds like Earth, because they would abuse the power, and may destroy themselves or others. Castellan, you are right. Behavior is in the individuals, but this (local) alien gray race is in trouble as they are dying out. They are fighting for their lives and we are in a sense doing the same. There is a silent struggle going on. Worse than that..look what the humans are doing to each other. The humans are poisoning the water with Fluoride, and other chemicals, vaccines are tainted, chemo is poison, when there are better cures for cancer, and they are not released to the public, our air is sprayed with chemicals, our food is tainted....people are causing unnecessary wars for causes other then what we are being told, humans are abducting humans...the list goes on and on. If we are going to turn this around, then we should first stop the human factor that is doing this to all of us, for without this, it could not have gone this far.
One more thing, and very important..Earth should have been much further advanced in technology...both advanced and conventional...but GREED...stopped it.

I say, instead of cloak and dagger mentality, as well as paranoia......I say BOTH humanity and these endangered greys make OFFICIAL contact and become friends and help each other. Misery always likes company, and you can't get as miserable as humanity. I mean the whole of StarTrek lore was various alien races coming together to form a united federation of planets, in order to help each other out and prevent getting rubbed out by some holier than thou smegpots.

And I think higher worlds outta trade with Earth....how can a world evolved if it's not allowed to evolve? As you said, technology should be more advanced than what we have...but the bad guys in charge (Who are just other humans, who know how to trick everyone else) prevent any evolving and developing through artificially created and maintained status qous. A species can't advance is all they are doing is working their asses off 12 hours a day, just to keep the banks from taking away their homes and throwing them out on the streets, not to mention being kept dependent on mineral slime as the primary source of energy....a mineral slime that wars have been fought over. And as you say, Birddog, the bad guys are causing all this havoc and destruction, HOW can humanity get any better if humanity is not ALLOWED, simply because the bigger, stronger monkeys don't wanna lose their throne? And regular people can't do it alone.....we need outside help. The big, strong monkeys running the military industrial complex is simply too powerful.....you try taking on a black uniformed, high school drop out flunky carrying an assault rifle when all you got is what? Mostly likely nothing. As I said, it's like trying to stop a sherman tank with spitwads, it just won't happen.

Hence why I say that the good aliens MUST come, and come soon....hell, right about NOW would be fantastic. And we'd befriend those aliens out there and if there are any baddies out there, then all the MORE reason to befriend the good ones and each species helps the other. I'll be more than happy to meet and help a grey if she/he/it needs help....hell, I am more willing to trust an alien than most humans today.

[Milneman]

I would not say so. I'm not gonna judge an entire species.
Let me meet some and hang out with em for a bit.

I personally hope they are NOT time traveling humans, since that would be soooooo disappointing, since I am looking for aliens, NOT more humans.

Also, I heard the black eyes are actually protective lenses of a sort.

Every time I hear someone say "I really want to meet them!" or "I really want to see one!" a part of me cringes a little bit because having met some, this is not an experience you want to wish on yourself.

This is not a cool thing, a fun time, or a billy meier ride. It would be like wishing you could be shot with a tranquilizer dart, have blood/semen/tissue samples taken (btw, the anal probes? tissue samples from the bowels. Figure that one out and you'll know more about what's going on. Ever stick a tooth-pick into a cake to see if it was done?)

Up until about a year ago, I had an unavoidable terror, fear, anxiety about certain places that was held hand in had with overwhelming desires of fondness for the same locations. I'd love and loathe the idea of going. Things changed for me when a very tall "lady" stepped through a door and walked 12-15 million light years into my bedroom and shut the other doors. She's been quietly watching what's been going on in my life for the last few months and doesn't show up as often as she used to, but she's not a grey. She's not like anything I've ever known or experienced. She's the closest thing to pure love and joy that I've come across in this world.

I've been thinking long and hard about this question, I can't remember if I've posted here or not. There are questions about ethics and morality that come into play, and an obvious lesson we as humanity should really be looking at is this: we have a unique opportunity to be in the middle. We are experiencing on one side what it's like to exploit an animal as a natural resource and hold it in a different light of ethical judgement, and on the other side low and behold there are (may) be beings of greater potential that are doing the exact same thing to us humans. So we know what it's like to be a cow, and a cattle rancher. You would think given that experience we would take better care of the ranch!

Not so.

Castellan, cherish the experiences of your life as they exist. Consider the possibility that the reason you are here right now, experiencing life the way you are right now, has a purpose and a reason. Those of us who have been involved as 'cattle' in the abduction experience, and there are a few of us here on the board, would I think never wish this on anyone. When you get beyond the terror of it, you find yourself objectified as a part of an experiment. When you get past the objectification, you're merely a cog in a plan, a rather small insignificant cog, like a bit of bacteria on a petri dish that can simply be burned off, washed away, and re-used.

But when you get past that, you realize that the plan they have is so far from what will really happen. They're rowing against the current, the current is winning. All we have to do, all we ever had to do, is swim downstream....or float and enjoy the ride. :)

Are they evil?

Define evil.

[The Castellan]

Castellan, cherish the experiences of your life as they exist. Consider the possibility that the reason you are here right now, experiencing life the way you are right now, has a purpose and a reason.

Nope, not gonna. Don't see anything to cherish. Living on a planet that's no better than a toilet, surrounded by STUPID APES called mainstream humanity. Everyone's kept in the dark because those knuckle draggers in chevrons and/or fancy suits don't consider us 'worthy' of knowing, or having better technology. And from as far back as I remember, all I was getting my ass kicked on daily basis by every jerk, punk and smeghead in both school and work. All we have are too many questions and NOT enough, if any, answers. Those aliens are zipping about the galaxy in bitchin' starships, and I'm stuck on this rock, and the only 'official' space travel one sees is nothing but low earth orbit for the past 40 years and instead of know what's out there, all we are doing is pondering and guessing as to what's out there.

So, you'll forgive my pragmatism and me NOT cherishing life so far, since it offers NOTHING, just one big, fat disappointment after another. Nobody cherishes living in the ghetto, and to me, Earth is the galactic equivalent of "da hood". Right now, I just want to give 'the current' you speak of the middle digit. I said it once, I'll say it again, I know that what I need lays out there, amongst the stars, and NOT here, on this flea spec dust ball. My burning need is to meet alien life, set foot on alien soil and see the wonders of the cosmos.....NOT do something dull trivial and ineffective as hand holding the stupid apes of the world, be some martyr in a hopeless crusade, or something else because "It's my destiny" or "purpose" or some smeg. I don't see any purpose and reason being frustrated and or living on a planet which is the equivalent of the bad neighborhood of crackheads and crooked cops.

So, I stand by what I say of wanting...no, check that....NEEDING to meet aliens.

[birddog]

The good ETs do not want to deal with people who are afraid. The bad ETs like it if you are afraid. You can say one thing and mean another, and they will know the difference. They can read your intentions. Look at the TV and the movies. You are being conditioned to deal with the fact that there are many ET races. The only reason that there hasn't been a formal disclosure is that the government wants to keep it secret. That is it in a nutshell. Most races of ETs are good. :)
The higher worlds will not trade with Earth, as those who want the technology (agencies) will keep it for themselves and use it against you, me, and everybody. But, there are ETs who will trade...but they are not the ones we should be dealing with. I won't go into the details.
There was talk a while back about a false flag op concerning ETs, and maybe a false attack. If this scenario occurs, know it is either unfriendly ETs or humans piloting ET craft. Either way, take cover and stay away from it.
One day, it is also my hope the Earth 'takes it's place' in the galactic family, and the safety of the 'organizations'. We (as a planet) have to change our ways if we want that, and we have a long way to go. For one, we have to stop abusing technology, stop hurting one another, and be at peace.

[Milneman]

Castellan, cherish the experiences of your life as they exist. Consider the possibility that the reason you are here right now, experiencing life the way you are right now, has a purpose and a reason.

Nope, not gonna. Don't see anything to cherish. Living on a planet that's no better than a toilet, surrounded by STUPID APES called mainstream humanity. Everyone's kept in the dark because those knuckle draggers in chevrons and/or fancy suits don't consider us 'worthy' of knowing, or having better technology. And from as far back as I remember, all I was getting my ass kicked on daily basis by every jerk, punk and smeghead in both school and work. All we have are too many questions and NOT enough, if any, answers. Those aliens are zipping about the galaxy in bitchin' starships, and I'm stuck on this rock, and the only 'official' space travel one sees is nothing but low earth orbit for the past 40 years and instead of know what's out there, all we are doing is pondering and guessing as to what's out there.

So, you'll forgive my pragmatism and me NOT cherishing life so far, since it offers NOTHING, just one big, fat disappointment after another. Nobody cherishes living in the ghetto, and to me, Earth is the galactic equivalent of "da hood". Right now, I just want to give 'the current' you speak of the middle digit. I said it once, I'll say it again, I know that what I need lays out there, amongst the stars, and NOT here, on this flea spec dust ball. My burning need is to meet alien life, set foot on alien soil and see the wonders of the cosmos.....NOT do something dull trivial and ineffective as hand holding the stupid apes of the world, be some martyr in a hopeless crusade, or something else because "It's my destiny" or "purpose" or some smeg. I don't see any purpose and reason being frustrated and or living on a planet which is the equivalent of the bad neighborhood of crackheads and crooked cops.

So, I stand by what I say of wanting...no, check that....NEEDING to meet aliens.

Just wrote a 10 page paper relative to this.

Why is it everyone, or at least it seems everyone, rather than work on changing where we are, what we are, what we think, what we produce, how we produce, what we consume, how we consume, how we power, what we power with, either considers that a) we'll just keep going and pretend nothing will change or b) suffer from the Avatar syndron of thinking this world is just dead n' we should move on or more importantly c) why would an advanced species of extra terrestrial be interested in anyone with even one iota of negativity let alone a planet full of so called intelligent beings? Life, you will find, offers much to those who engage it. Generally my experience shows me that those who suffer disappointment after disappointment tend to be...well...forgive the generalization, spoiled. It's not a mom n' dad thing that makes us this way, it's what our society since the 50's-60's has done, created us this way, having the power to effect change but also having empowered four little words way beyond what they really should have power to do:

"I don't want to."

Good luck mate. If you end up meeting ET's, I'd be pleased to hear about it. Although, pragmatist that I am, I somehow doubt it. Never seen a ghost when I wanted to, but believe you me...when I never expected or looked for it? BOO! ;)

Cheers!

[The Castellan]

Castellan, cherish the experiences of your life as they exist. Consider the possibility that the reason you are here right now, experiencing life the way you are right now, has a purpose and a reason.

Nope, not gonna. Don't see anything to cherish. Living on a planet that's no better than a toilet, surrounded by STUPID APES called mainstream humanity. Everyone's kept in the dark because those knuckle draggers in chevrons and/or fancy suits don't consider us 'worthy' of knowing, or having better technology. And from as far back as I remember, all I was getting my ass kicked on daily basis by every jerk, punk and smeghead in both school and work. All we have are too many questions and NOT enough, if any, answers. Those aliens are zipping about the galaxy in bitchin' starships, and I'm stuck on this rock, and the only 'official' space travel one sees is nothing but low earth orbit for the past 40 years and instead of know what's out there, all we are doing is pondering and guessing as to what's out there.

So, you'll forgive my pragmatism and me NOT cherishing life so far, since it offers NOTHING, just one big, fat disappointment after another. Nobody cherishes living in the ghetto, and to me, Earth is the galactic equivalent of "da hood". Right now, I just want to give 'the current' you speak of the middle digit. I said it once, I'll say it again, I know that what I need lays out there, amongst the stars, and NOT here, on this flea spec dust ball. My burning need is to meet alien life, set foot on alien soil and see the wonders of the cosmos.....NOT do something dull trivial and ineffective as hand holding the stupid apes of the world, be some martyr in a hopeless crusade, or something else because "It's my destiny" or "purpose" or some smeg. I don't see any purpose and reason being frustrated and or living on a planet which is the equivalent of the bad neighborhood of crackheads and crooked cops.

So, I stand by what I say of wanting...no, check that....NEEDING to meet aliens.

Just wrote a 10 page paper relative to this.

Why is it everyone, or at least it seems everyone, rather than work on changing where we are, what we are, what we think, what we produce, how we produce, what we consume, how we consume, how we power, what we power with, either considers that a) we'll just keep going and pretend nothing will change or b) suffer from the Avatar syndron of thinking this world is just dead n' we should move on or more importantly c) why would an advanced species of extra terrestrial be interested in anyone with even one iota of negativity let alone a planet full of so called intelligent beings? Life, you will find, offers much to those who engage it. Generally my experience shows me that those who suffer disappointment after disappointment tend to be...well...forgive the generalization, spoiled. It's not a mom n' dad thing that makes us this way, it's what our society since the 50's-60's has done, created us this way, having the power to effect change but also having empowered four little words way beyond what they really should have power to do:

"I don't want to."

Good luck mate. If you end up meeting ET's, I'd be pleased to hear about it. Although, pragmatist that I am, I somehow doubt it. Never seen a ghost when I wanted to, but believe you me...when I never expected or looked for it? BOO! ;)

Cheers!

Already seen several ghosts, thank you. And being disappointed does not mean spoiled.....it means you work your ass off, giving it your all, 100%, and what is the end result.....little or nothing. Think about Disclosure Conference 2001.....we came so close to getting some progress....yet a little thing called 9-11 CONVENIENTLY happened and instead of the world learning about aliens.....we're killing Muslims, bailing out banks, got a big brother policy that Jay Edgar Hoover could only masturbate about, and a paranoia/stupidty in mainstream western society that is equal to that of the duck and cover era.

And that's just one many, many disappointments.....need I say more?


Oh, and why would anyone help someone else full of negativity? Last time I looked, those fellows helping out the homeless, and sending food and other stuff to third world countries would seem to count. People who struggle with hunger or disease, I think, would quality as being full of negativity. Come on over to the projects down on the east side, or Detroit in general....I'll SHOW you negativity coming out of the locals' ears, dude.

[Chester]

are humans evil? some might say some are.

[The Castellan]

are humans evil? some might say some are.

Julius Caesar
Ramses
Ganges Khan
Attila the Hun
Vlad Dracula
The guys running the Spanish Inquisition and the the witch hunts of Europe and Salem
Napoleon Bonaparte
Hitler
The Bilderburgers
The Rockefellers
Big Oil
Big Pharma
The Military Industrial Complex


I've yet to see the real life equivalent of Darth Vader, Jabba the Hutt, Xurr of the Kodan, Daleks, and other power mad alien conspirators and great fleets of Zargon warships leaving havoc on destruction wherever they tread.

Need I say more?

[The Castellan]

Just the other night, I had this interesting dream. I was walking down a long hallway, the walls on both sides were see through, like glass. On both sides, I saw greys, dozens on greys, going about their business....one of them was working out on a stationary bike of all things.....anyhow, I walked from one end of the hall to another. I don't know if they noticed me or not, but I made it to the exit without any hostilities.

[Chester]

I was once "dreamducted" by 5 Greys. They wanted to implant me. I was real happy about it too. I asked them to show me the implant and they did. It was about 1.5 inches long, was shaped like a crescent moon, was and was made of some shiny, black material like glass. At the time I had the dream, I had had many nose bleeds where I haven't had nosebleeds in years and years. The stopped not too long after this dream. This happened in May or June of 2012.

[findingneo]

Is it any wonder why members of FREE, refuse to talk about or accept any possibility of negative Grays (or their associates), most common during the abduction phenomenon, when those that have put themselves in charge of that particular arm of disclosure, are hardly objective?

Make the statistics fit the paradigm it seems, and go for it.
https://www.facebook.com/starfamilyconference/videos/1416530478454487/?hc_ref=ARTW-7j9OaxjZxh2W6fIq1CDC-UF7kUZAlLGpRzUIv2c9X_PVxfZchF17DwESzJRLBM&fref=gs&dti=1745433722365786&hc_location=group

[findingneo]

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[seehas]

and who do you label as a grey at all, i bet there are as many different "grey" labeled looking humanoid beeings out there as human-ETs and not all have the same agenda and maybe not even all are containers filled with a soul.

you cant judge evil or bad based on the container


maybe some other planets have the same discussion about earth humans ;) ... well i wouldnt come here for a visit based on our history

[seehas]

Happy about being implanted Sammy? Sounds like they perhaps gave you an implant that made you chill even under duress. Any problems with the sinus cavities now? Not even one bit miffed that they probably stuffed something up your nose and made it bleed?

this remembers me about abductees that had a soul contract from a past life, maybe he came here to help his people that would explain the emotions.

beeing scared of your own people is not the easiest task to do, who knows in how many abductions that could be the case since so many "new" humans are here right now.

[Hazelfern]

If I may ask, why did Sammy go on sabbatical? What exactly does that mean, sabbatical?
Sammy at one point was Sam? Just trying to weave through.

[Bill Ryan]

If I may ask, why did Sammy go on sabbatical? What exactly does that mean, sabbatical?
Sammy at one point was Sam? Just trying to weave through.

[Mod hat on]

A sabbatical is just a temporary break from the forum. Members do that for all kind of reasons... just to let others know they won't be around for a little while.

It's like hanging a 'Gone Fishing' sign on your cabin door. :) They may be gone from anything from half a day to several weeks or months, depending on what's happening at their end in the 'real' world. See also here:


http://projectavalon.net/FAQs.htm#37

http://projectavalon.net/gone_fishing_1.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/gone_fishing_2.jpg

:focus:

[Bill Ryan]

Happy about being implanted Sammy? Sounds like they perhaps gave you an implant that made you chill even under duress. Any problems with the sinus cavities now? Not even one bit miffed that they probably stuffed something up your nose and made it bleed?

[Mod hat on.]

Ahem. That was a really nasty, barbed little post.

Not okay. You may have noticed that Sammy went on sabbatical soon after.

Can't you recognize that when Sammy wrote "I was real happy about it too", he was being heavily ironic, to make the point how UNhappy he was??

Please read it again, this time taking just a little more time and care.


I was once "dreamducted" by 5 Greys. They wanted to implant me. I was real happy about it too. I asked them to show me the implant and they did. It was about 1.5 inches long, was shaped like a crescent moon, was and was made of some shiny, black material like glass. At the time I had the dream, I had had many nose bleeds where I haven't had nosebleeds in years and years. The stopped not too long after this dream. This happened in May or June of 2012.

[Hazelfern]

The reason I asked is personal, horribly so. So much that I decided to delete what I posted.

[findingneo]

For the record, Bill, I have read your personal message and it referencing the above message from you. I fully admit, I was completely oblivious to hurting his feelings.

I have apologized to Sammy directly, and no I was not aware that I was the cause of him going on Sabbatical. Yes, I made a mistake by being flippant with a comment that I mistook as flippant, so I did not see the harm I potentially caused.

I would like to say however that I am not nasty. I did not intend to hurt Sammy, it was a mistake on my behalf. I wholeheartedly apologize t him for that. For you to judge me so harshly, is a mistake also. It hurt. And, it is untrue.

However, seeing as you feel that way about me and have made comments to me about my "streaming of consciousness" way of communicating, and that you do not like the way I communicate, and the fact that you perceive me as nasty, I no longer feel welcome. I no longer feel like expressing myself in a place that I perceived safe to do so. I don't feel that about any forum members, but I don't stay in someones place if I am not welcome, and as this is your place, I need to leave.

Give me a couple of days to say goodbye to some lovely folk I have made friends with and whose company I have greatly enjoyed. And I request to then be retired.

Thank you everyone, and for the opportunity to spend time in your company. I really loved it. FN

I request you leave my "stream of consciousness" post here for a couple of days before removing it Bill. Thank you

Thanks for the opportunity Bill and co., for me to be part of PA even if in the end, I don't meet the requirements. I have until now, really enjoyed speaking with so many thought provoking, intelligent folk. I have learned a lot. Thanks guys.

[findingneo]

Very sorry to hear that your mum and you had to go through that trauma Hazelfern. x

[Hazelfern]

Thanks FN. This misunderstanding is my fault. I personalized your comment to Sammy. Shouldn't have done that! I haven't a clue how Sammy feels, but it struck a chord with me. Can you tell? I am not all that fond of the 3 fingered peeps. Too controlling for me.

[Spiral]

Are Greys evil ?

It's a bit of a loaded question & not one that a yes or no answer will fit, even though yes they are evil.

Before I upset anyone, these points are only my opinion, but it is based on first hand experience of these things & research.

The main problem in understanding what they are is getting past the "ET" and "Alien" mindset, there is a reason why there is so much effort made to push the ET paradigm, and it's not popular.

These so called "aliens" are not from another planet, solar system or galaxy, they are from right here, but brought into being by another creator in competition with our creator.

These "aliens" are very keen to get people seriously into the occult & various pagan practices (inc new age stuff), all of which have (broadly) the same MO, that is they try to control reality through will & manipulation of the subtle energy fields like the astral light (put something in, take something out), they are also into channeling & other such things such as talking to the dead which are more than odd things to get people into if they were actually "aliens".

Anyone with experience of these beings (or has read enough) knows that they can read your mind & alter your reality in very disturbing ways, usually to cause as much stress & upset as they can....I think that the sexual experiences some people report are about messing with the mind & stress levels (PTSD) rather than hybrids, which have all the hallmarks of mind games.

It seems they also depend on our "beliefs" too, they try to encourage such belief as much as possible, which is why they never let anyone get evidence that will prove their existence to anyone other than those they want to mess with.

Another example of using our beliefs is entering this realm via cupboard / wardrobe doors, this is an ontological trick, because they don't have a door in there, the possibility of a door is however in our mind, and just like Schrodinger's cat the contents of your wardrobe is one your mind can control the reality of !

Another way to think of them is they are like the orcs in LOTR, they are at the bottom of a chain that has some very nasty things further up, (or down would probably be more accurate lol), and they are the creations of a sinister power that can really only exist as a parasite to mankind.

As for where they live or come from, I think John Keel was the nearest on that one, my take on it is that our realm is like a raft on a background of energies that go beyond what we can see or measure, and thats where they are, off the edges of what we or our machines can perceive.

[Bill Ryan]

It's an excellent question.


When we take our dog to the vet for an injection because we're moving to another country — and it's scared and howling, and we can't possibly explain to it what our intentions are — is this evil?
When we abduct and relocate a bear that's been causing dangerous problems near a park campground, is this evil?
When we capture and tame an animal and place it in a circus (or even in a seaquarium) for our entertainment, is this evil?
Are we evil to be eating animals that have been taken to the slaughterhouse, or trawled out of the sea by huge factory ships?
Are we evil to hunt and kill animals simply for pleasure?





* I considered embedding some photos. But such is the difficult balance we all live in, with many of us raising our blind eyes to our telescope, some may genuinely consider them offensive — even though these things happen all around us, every day, all over the world, and, complicit or not, we are often the beneficiaries.
These are all uneasy compromises that grossly interfere with the natural order, because we humans want to engineer our world to our liking. After all, we have the power to do so. And — we consider we own everything that co-exists with us.

Maybe in another order, we're considered by other beings to be rather like the animals we control. Intelligent animals, but still inferior.

This photo might make us all think a little; it moved me beyond words the other day.




https://www.worldpressphoto.org/sites/default/files/styles/gallery_main_image/public/archive/2015/singles/NA/4/lxkrvuhdilnunoyu3ewh.jpg?itok=8EGahXmr

[avid]

This image is horrendous, but I’ve seen that look many times, trying to rescue terrified starving or injured cats and a dreadfully neglected dog chained to a tree in a November storm, left to die. The rewards seeing the relief in their little faces when I feed them, and look after them, but not trapping them, is immense. They voluntarily return, look well and happy in my ‘space’, and my neighbour adopted the dog, who looked like a walrus on stilts in the end, I walked with him for miles, chasing grey squirrels round our local park. Phew... things can get better. :cat::dog::clapping:
Sorry, sneaked off-topic a bit...

[Molly4US]

Happy about being implanted Sammy? Sounds like they perhaps gave you an implant that made you chill even under duress. Any problems with the sinus cavities now? Not even one bit miffed that they probably stuffed something up your nose and made it bleed?

Having been accosted etc by gangstalkers for many years, I read Sammy's post to be quite literal with no sign of sarcasm. The reason being is that on numerous occasions the gang-members/abductors of me, had a hand-held device which emitted a frequency which numbs out all adrenal responses, both physical and mental. It also emits a frequency which somehow promotes your mind in nearly instantly making a least pejorative conclusion over what is happening.We are complex creatures with many experiences and educations so that our mind instantly comes up with multiple takes on any matter, then we put a percentage of probability on each conclusion, and go from there on reaching our opinion, or "take" on something.

A number of times the person using the frequency device stated things like, "Do you understand?", in a very calming voice. I was not calm and non-combative deliberately. I would have screamed and ran, but the device hijacks those abilities out of the mix, and adds something which enforces your own thought-scenario possibility. Only ones most trusting scenario, which is usually that of the situation at hand being so horrible that this creep must be an undercover agent making some desperate act to save the nation. You know that the scenario is probably baseless....it is not a conclusion..... it is more like an entrained pedophilic trust slithered in. Yet it is the one they hook and stick, then cause instant amnesia of the whole thing while your mind is momentarily processing these calculations in your mind.

It honestly seems that our thoughts and endocrine response and feelings result in unique frequencies. Thus, some of these gangmembers/abductors seem to be seeking some sort of profound frequency which I believe they are trying to harness for the purpose of heterodyning it onto people at-will.

A Cultivation, then Harvesting of frequencies. I would name one of the frequencies: Confounded/Disoriented Childhood Neccessity for Blind Faith (harvested from co-morbid compounded trauma, and the processing for sense simultaneously). The orchestrated situations cause a mental and physical paralysis of their own; hence adding another co-morbidity of convenience: Like layered mirrors. Imposed and superimposed imposters. Psy-ops done dirty for false-flag purposes.

If you have ever watched the movie, "Lord of the Flies", there is the end scene with Ralph standing on the beach.....all hope seems to be lost, all the boys have reverted to followers and participators in bloodshed and hunting of each other. Simon and Piggy have already been killed and Ralph is being chased by all the other boys with spears. Ralph, standing on the beach, heartbroken, crushed, all his best friends dead or turned against him, no grown-ups commanding civility, yet he knows the grown-ups are out there far away, he knows what the grown-ups would have expected of their behavior and had been carefully taught to them as children, and he wonders how the others lost their humanity, and remains vigilant to maintain the principles of higher ideals, humanness vs animal.

I am also a witness of who and where some distribution of these weapons was taking place. I contacted some military agencies, homeland security, and the FBI, and PD. So, hopefully, things will be set right.

After multiple assaults from bad people using such frequency devices, I was very sick and injured, possibly with bio-terrorist virus as well. Some "good" ones took me a few times to do something medical or take a sample so that they could help (that was my take which I think is accurate).

I believe that the enemy has hi-jacked our Judiciary system and is trying to Suggest we simply use a frequency system to separate "useful people" from "useless". Revolting.

Here is a scary thought like a Twilight Zone episode: What if the frequency reader can't pick up emotionless psychopaths so they would be the only survivors. Icky.

[findingneo]

How many times do I have to say I am sorry? I took that one post out of context. I have 3 different friends who are being abducted. They all have kids. One had a teenage daughter who is abducted whenever she stays with her mum. Another has come into puberty and has started to be taken. When I asked them how they feel about it, they said they were not too bothered as they were still fine, (even with the nightmares and night terrors). That response to Sammy (which was a faux pas) was with a background of knowing folk I care about and their kids are being hurt in many ways. I feel they must have been implanted with something to stop a survival response because if it were me, I would want to ring the perpetrators bloody necks. I want to protect these people. That is how I made that mistake. Call me nasty, or whatever you want. It was not meant in the way you think. I want it to stop.

[Molly4US]

The survival response would involve a lot of adrenal gland use.....a lot of adrenaline with no outlet to seek to stop the events from happening. I have been there and nearly ended up with adrenal failure, anxiety and panic attacks at night which mirrored the heart-rate distortions already being superimposed upon me by the DEW's. Another response when helpless is frozenness. I get and have that a lot. With frozenness one is better capable of relying on the Lord, and staying healthy in body and mind while praying for resolution, and calmly reporting the things one can to the proper authorities. In other words we have a "long-haul" problem at hand, it seems. If you are a bicyclist you need to know how far the race is in order to set your pace. Young ones need an example of calm and steadiness to build Foundation while adults need it for stability and endurance.


Here are the beginning lines of the Serenity Prayer which help(ed) me with my current Trauma and PTSD which are super relevant to help quell panic, and help to not become "too winded" in the terror:

"God, grant me the serenity...
to accept the things I cannot change
the courage to change the things I can,
and the wisdom to know the difference."

the rest is super too.

Putting up a security system would be nice. Also, a camera system mounted from a compassionate neighbor's home. Though, Aliens, can probably defy our technology; though it would be quite something to get a picture of some. But, if it is a human (which was true in my case), then reporting Aliens would make anyone sound weird. Some gangmembers in my neighborhood have devices which can disrupt security systems which is why I suggest a camera mounted elsewhere. I wasn't able to do that myself as I was brain injured and unconscious a lot when the mysteries at my house took place. Some gang members who I encountered had shrouds which rendered them invisible when they stood still. The technology available is pretty creepy. Tredding carefully....keeping ones wits......giving the human possibilities more weight than alien.....There are still some things that many police departments don't take seriously.

[Innocent Warrior]

How many times do I have to say I am sorry? I took that one post out of context. I have 3 different friends who are being abducted. They all have kids. One had a teenage daughter who is abducted whenever she stays with her mum. Another has come into puberty and has started to be taken. When I asked them how they feel about it, they said they were not too bothered as they were still fine, (even with the nightmares and night terrors). That response to Sammy (which was a faux pas) was with a background of knowing folk I care about and their kids are being hurt in many ways. I feel they must have been implanted with something to stop a survival response because if it were me, I would want to ring the perpetrators bloody necks. I want to protect these people. That is how I made that mistake. Call me nasty, or whatever you want. It was not meant in the way you think. I want it to stop.

I just want to point out that Bill described your post as nasty, not you. I understand Bill's post to be about taking more care, not about you being nasty.

I hear you about your post BTW.

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