I had the "census knock" this morning, it's that time again, fellow Aussies...

[astrid]

This is going to be interesting.

I said no way am i filling this thing out.

The nice young man said he will have to send his supervisor around.

Bring it on.

[Flasky]

Oh! Lmao! Let us know how it goes....Still no census knocking at my door! :P

[pharoah21]

You'll do better if you fill it out...........

Date of birth: 14/27/1258

Religion: Spiderman

Occupation: Census disturbance officer............

If you know what I mean

[astrid]

There is a loop hole.

I might just happen to be out of the country that night

Either that or just not be at home....

[pharoah21]

Or you don't speak English

[astrid]

ALso .... you can now fill it in online too... but i noticed that is not openly advertised

[Lord Sidious]

You'll do better if you fill it out...........

Date of birth: 14/27/1258

Religion: Spiderman

Occupation: Census disturbance officer............

If you know what I mean

If you do that, you enter their realms and giving obviously fake info will result in fines.

[TigaHawk]

any way to avoid this? :(

[astrid]

I have a plan, basically if you are not home on the night of the 9th, you" fall between the cracks".

[pharoah21]

Wrap plaster around both arms and explain that you have an injury. You have no friends or family who are willing to help you sign.

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I feel like I'm back at school coming up with all these excuses

[Lord Sidious]

any way to avoid this? :(

Will you be in the commonwealth of australia on that night?

[sandy]

Hi Astrid,

Just thought i would share that I did not fill out my census here in Canada. Many phone calls, one visit, call from supervisor and threat of sending out someone to take my refusal in writing. This was 6 weeks ago now and I have heard nothing since then. The supervisor asked why I would risk going to jail as it is the law in Canada and one must fill it out and submit it. She affirmed that is is really not intrusive and asked for very little personal info.

I informed her that the stats go to Lockheed Martin who is nothing but a warring company, who then implements the info in the computer program they designed and then Lockheed Martin sends the info to Stats Canada. I informed her I see no reason that this company should have any personal information on me. (my understanding is that Canada, UK, Australia and other British colonized nations are using Lockheed Martin for their census gathering also)

My next line if they do call and threaten me again will be to ask to see the legislated law that says I must submit information to Lockheed Martin.

Hope this helps and yes push come to shove, I fully prepared to do a little time if need be. They will look like the idiots they are as I'm a retired female senior citizen. I could use a little time off from utilities, food, gas, etc and the financial break would be a boon:)

PS I have worked in provincial and federal penal systems as a counselor at different times in my career so yes I know what I'm getting into and know the ropes so to speak.

[Davidallany]

I had the "census knock " this morning, its that time again fellow Aussies....
They came knocking three weeks ago, I took the form and immediately threw it in the trash can. They left and have not returned.

[the_flyingboy]

i got the census and threw it in the bin

[Lord Sidious]

i got the census and threw it in the bin

What are you gonna tell em when they come to pick it up?

[pharoah21]

i got the census and threw it in the bin

What are you gonna tell em when they come to pick it up?

Don't answer the door.

[Lord Sidious]

i got the census and threw it in the bin

What are you gonna tell em when they come to pick it up?

Don't answer the door.

All of the avoidance of this won't solve it.
You need to deal with it.

[Operator]

any way to avoid this? :(

Often there is no legal support to make you participate, they hope you will feel pressurized enough.

We had a census here too this year. To begin with it was executed by volunteers taken out of the citizenry ...
They have insufficient background checked to inquire for such personal data.
They asked the most idiotic questions like how much mobile phones were in the house etc. I had to answer
them in 2 different places. On the first location I have only answered the most functional questions. On the
2nd location we avoided the interview twice. There was only one telephone call trying to get the interview
still. After we indicated that we were not obliged to participate the attempts stopped.

Well, see it as a test ... Are you indeed brave enough to say no ? Can we walk our talk ?

[jackovesk]

Hi Astrid,

I have never completed a 'Census' in my life...

As soon as I recieve one, it goes straight in the...

http://www.clker.com/cliparts/2/b/c/f/11971239281768335436doctormo_Put_Rubbish_in_Bin_Signs.svg.med.png

My gates are always locked...'Especially to Govt'..!

Plausible Deniablity is always a good defence...

e.g.

I posted it off, because I was not going to be here on the date of pick-up. Let the 'Bastards' earn their Money trying to chase it up themselves!

[pharoah21]

Fill in the form, with the most confusing spelling, and the worst handwriting you have ever written with. Make it impossible to read, but legally, you have completed it. Just another idea :cool:

[Davidallany]

Fill in the form, with the most confusing spelling, and the worst handwriting you have ever written with. Make it impossible to read, but legally, you have completed it. Just another idea
Lool, very funny. Me no Engrish.

[astrid]

Some great ideas, keep them coming.

The thing is too, if you say you will be not at home that night,
and therefore in their terms going to be possibly on a census in another household,
how are they going to check?

Surely they don't have the funds, manpower, to check the where abouts of everyone.

[NeverMind]

I had the "census knock " this morning, its that time again fellow Aussies....

I took the form and immediately threw it in the trash can. They left and have not returned.

:o

That was my reaction and my experience.
Then they left a notice in my mailbox informing me of their return.
Same reaction.
Then they left yet another notice, informing me that I could send the form by mail.
It followed the previous two notices into the trash bin.
My aunt heard about this and could not understand my reaction (because I am not known to be paranoid - that would have been easier to understand; I simply refuse to give bureaucracy any length of rope, or to make its life easier than it already is). She parroted the implicit threats from the second notice. I laughed aloud and did not say a word.

It ended there.
That was ten years ago. :)

I must add this happened in continental Europe, but then bureaucracy is one big global brotherhood that knows no boundaries.

People must remember this: nobody can force you, or even expect from you, to be home at any given time. It is in direct contravention of the Declaration of Human Rights, from 1948. (This does not apply to court orders, of course.)

So, you can simply not open the door when the come. You don't even have to pretend you're not home. You simply do not open the door.
That's it.

[NeverMind]

Surely they don't have the funds, manpower, to check the where abouts of everyone.


Of course not, but that's not even the point.
The point is that they have no right to check on your whereabouts, or if the whereabouts have been established all the same - which could only be done in a purely private, individual fashion (say the census man or woman sees you) - they cannot do a damn thing about it.

It's an important point worth remembering at all times.

[astrid]

Another idea, don't fill out the form and send it back.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGUvQgacE9c

[astrid]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1360987/Fears-UK-census-security-US-firm-processing-details-stole-Obamas-student-records.html

"Personal details in UK census to be processed by U.S. form which stole Obama's student loan records

Personal details collected in the 2011 national census will be processed in a plant run by an American firm whose staff were prosecuted for stealing President Obama’s student loan records.

Every householder in the UK is required to fill out the questionnaire next month, with those failing to comply facing a £1,000 fine or even jail.

Amid concerns over the safety of the data being collected by the Government, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) has repeatedly insisted that security is high.

However, The Mail on Sunday has learned that UK Data Capture Ltd, named in ONS reports as the sub-contractor in charge of processing census information, is
jointly owned by the examination board Edexcel and the US-owned firm Vangent, which both have a patchy record for data-handling.

Last year, Vangent, a multibillion- pound consultancy with a series of lucrative US government contracts, faced embarrassment when nine of its employees were
prosecuted for accessing President Obama’s student loan records.

The employees – all of whom were found guilty – had been working on an IT project at the US Department of Education, although many of the company’s other contracts in America are with the military.

Meanwhile, Edexcel has faced criticism for its alleged ‘dumbing down’ of exams and for losing scripts.

In 2002, a series of errors in Edexcel papers were described by then Prime Minister Tony Blair as ‘sloppy’ and ‘unacceptable’.

Last night, Alex Deane from the think-tank Big Brother Watch concerned by the involvement of the two firms in the handling of sensitive data at the census-processing plant in Trafford, Manchester"

[astrid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gyQPGkiG8Q

now we are cooking... creative form filling so our data is useless to them.

http://www.CountMeOut.ca

Scroll to the bottom and click on the fun options link , hilarious reading...

"Perhaps there is an artist hidden within you. You could take a pair of scissors and make two-inch cuts into the census form all around the edge, making a most attractive fringe that not only enhances the appearance of your census form, but also makes it difficult to feed into the Lockheed Martin-developed scanning system."

Use Google Translator to translate your responses into Swahili or some other exotic language. "

[pharoah21]

Another idea, don't fill out the form and send it back.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGUvQgacE9c

Tell them it was written with invisible ink, you couldn't find any other pen?:noidea:

[Draco]

census if it was just about numbers and building in fracture for the growth you don't need to be good at maths to realize that every 5 yrs you need to build all these things anyway why wait till the numbers are in and then go oh a lot more peopleare around lets start building now. They will be playing catch up forever. The forms should be way smaller and to the point no need to gather all the extra data unless u have other plans for it :P. waste of money and paper when they know how much more to build .

[astrid]

http://www.countmeout.ca/


The Top Ten List

Top 10 Canadian Census Form submission ideas and methods:


10 Submit your census in a Jar of clear jelly with a label: Merry Christmas Lockheed Martin. I suggest a bow on the jar for good measure

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9 Cut your filled form into Jigsaw puzzle pieces and submit the pieces (even by separate, serial numbered envelopes)


8 Take a picture or scan the filled form, reverse the negative/image and print (easy to do on computer image software with some other added digital effects) or Use incredibly tiny writing or fonts


7 Write your information on Styrofoam Popcorn (the packing stuff) and send


6 Use Pasta or other food products to fill the form


5 Put the form into a set of Russian Doll like boxes, ultimately to the size of a Sofa Box


4 To submit electronically as per their wishes, write a web link on the form which links to a website, which links to another website, which links to another website.....etc......etc....etc......which finally states that the information is printed/pasted on the inside of the original envelope submitted.


3 Send your information on audio tape or CD with a lot of padded information about your personal interests, hopes and dreams and the daily life of your dog


2 Fill the form out in Klingon and send along with the Klingon dictionary
And the number one suggestion..

1 ..feed the form to your cow and send your cow.

[astrid]

For those that need to see the Aussie links to Lockheed, i just located them.

http://www.spacetimeresearch.com/partnership-at-space-time-research.html

http://www.spacetimeresearch.com/customers.html

wow.... YOU tell me, what is a MAJOR arms producer doing collecting data for these govt organisations????

I had NO idea. It looks like they already have EVERYTHING on us, that's very scarey stuff.

[astrid]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21587-Lockheed-Martin-Hacked&p=231056&highlight=census#post231056

Lets not forget also that Lockheed Martin was hacked,
so that's another issue to consider here.
Quite frankly the whole thing stinks.

[Lord Sidious]

Another idea, don't fill out the form and send it back.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGUvQgacE9c

Now there is an observation and a half, he says the census is the modern domesday book.
It is exactly that.
And more.

[the_flyingboy]

i got the census and threw it in the bin

What are you gonna tell em when they come to pick it up?



i wont be home then plus i told them i will do it online

[Lord Sidious]

i got the census and threw it in the bin

What are you gonna tell em when they come to pick it up?




i wont be home then plus i told them i will do it online

Great.
So you accepted their offer to contract, intend to breach it and you lied to them as well?
This won't end well for you.
The law of attraction and rule of three is always in play.
You guys have to learn to STOP avoiding these issues, confront them, defeat them, move on.

[Anno]

We had this in the UK recently. There's no point coming up with crazy schemes or exotic plans. Either fill it in and send it back or put it in the recycling and ignore them. Each time they do it here the % of people who fill it in goes down.

Mine got recycled and I just ignored the people who came looking for it. Same with the TV licensing. They've started an investigation apparently but they've never been able to speak to me. I'm either out at work or I just ignore the front door if I'm not expecting anyone. If I get in to arguments or start filling things in then I'm inviting trouble.

Complete it or ignore it, simples.

[Tigger]

First of all, this is news to me [that there is another national census]. But then, I guess I have been too preoccupied of late with football and politics...

Call me idealistic and naive, but what possible harm can I be doing to myself by flying under the radar and giving these people some information they so desperately require? If I choose to give inaccurate information, who are they going to verify it with? Does it matter a toss? Is choosing to be confrontational about said census likely to make them leave me alone, or is it likely to draw attention to myself? Common sense would appear to fall to the latter.

Give them what they want - information. If you are comfortable with giving them accurate information, bully for you. If you are not, then feel free to lay red herrings all over the place. I doubt very much that people in black suits are going to come for you in the middle of the night claiming that you declared "Jedi" as your religion [please refer to the 2001 census where loads of rebellious souls declared they were indeed Jedi Knights].

Pick your battles. Just fill in the silly form. It will eventually be lost in a mountain of paperwork and you will become as innocuous as a drop in the ocean, which in my opinion is a good thing. Then go back to your meditations. This is not a battle worth fighting. It is a silly distraction which should be given the petty energy it deserves. Work instead on avoiding confrontation and save your energy for something much more significant - to you and to the planet as a whole. Just remember what you're doing here.

Namaste

[Lord Sidious]

I would say that if you fail to say no to the tyrant when you can, then don't be sad when you can't.

[Maia Gabrial]

Hey Pharoah,
I don't think the casts will help. They'll probably just offer to help fill it out for you....
Can you just throw it away?

[Maia Gabrial]

Or, instead of not answering the door, you could sneak out the back, come up beside the census guy as if you're out for a stroll and tell them that the person living at that address (meaning you) doesn't live there anymore. And that you don't know anything other than that....
Sounds good to me. How about you?

[Tigger]

I would say that if you fail to say no to the tyrant when you can, then don't be sad when you can't.

I don't believe the tyrant has any power unless you give it to him or her Lord Sidious. But then, I am not very interested in playing that game, although I agree and support a stance of non-compliance. I just council caution in the tactics. There are plenty of ways of skinning a rabbit (or is that a cat??). Just be careful about the battles you choose to fight.

[mesta0ptik]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGUvQgacE9c

These are the same two goon's that came to my house last week.

They told me a name they were looking for and asked if it was me and if I lived at the address they were visiting, of course my reply was 'No', therefore not confirming my identity.

It is a 'legal' requirement to complete the form and not a 'lawful' requirement. Legal suggests a contract of sorts of which I don't have with the Census.

I see the only way for them to pursue a £1000 fine is through confirmation or acknowledgement of a 'persons' identity. Assumptions are not enough to enforce fines. They knew I was the name and lived at the address, but they can only assume that they are correct.

Both forms received have been marked with 'No Contract - Return to Sender' although have not been returned via post yet.

I am enjoying the game for the time being!

Oh, I did ask them how they felt working for the biggest Arm's dealer in the world! - No response from the sheep!

[Fred Steeves]

Hope this helps and yes push come to shove, I fully prepared to do a little time if need be.

Now we're talking Sandy. A few months ago I had a sheriff threaten to take me directly to jail if I didn't go inside my house immediately. Wrong way to deal with this normally laid back guy. I promptly opened the tailgate on my truck, plopped my happy ass on it, and informed her I had the right to be there and wasn't going anywhere. Let's go to jail then...

It was amazing to see how fast they can be backed down by someone with a little education, and some backbone. They're used to being bullies.

Cheers,
Fred

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Just answer it honestly,
eg.
Eyes - two
Sex - yes please
place of birth - the hospital etc etc.

*just kidding, ask them to show you the law that states you must fill in the Census*

Hurritt

[Lord Sidious]

I would say that if you fail to say no to the tyrant when you can, then don't be sad when you can't.

I don't believe the tyrant has any power unless you give it to him or her Lord Sidious. But then, I am not very interested in playing that game, although I agree and support a stance of non-compliance. I just council caution in the tactics. There are plenty of ways of skinning a rabbit (or is that a cat??). Just be careful about the battles you choose to fight.

The philosophy is good, but let me tell you from experience, that they have the force they can and will use to force you to comply with whatever it is they want.
Unless you find your out.

[RMorgan]

This is easy...

Ask the census guy if he could help you to fill the form. He can´t deny it.

Then, use an auto-vanishing pen, like this one:

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/magical-vanishing-ink-ball-pen-2-pack-11009

The ink will completely disappear after an hour or so.

So, you´ll give him the filled form, he´ll be happy, you´ll be happy, everyone will be happy!

Cheers,

Raf.

[shadowstalker]

here in the good ol' usa (Notice I spell that with small letters) if you not there that day they keep coming back

[Artemesia]

There is a loop hole.

I might just happen to be out of the country that night

Either that or just not be at home....

What about what might be termed the 'Ruprecht' option.
There was a film released in the mid-1990s with Steve Martin and John Cleese where they played a team of swindlers playing the richies for fools on a fancy resort island getaway. Their most successful technique was to feign that they were brothers, Steve Martin being a severely mentally disturbed fellow who needed a cork on his fork to eat, "so he didn't hurt himself, or others" and ran around screaming "Oklahoma, Oklahoma!" while banging on pots.

These sheeple workers really can't understand why anyone wouldn't want to comply with their inanities, since to them they are simply doing what it takes to survive, no matter the agenda behind it all, which they don't look at. They view anyone who doesn't want to blindly comply like them as 'nutters.' So why not give them their divine mirror, ad nauseum. Messy hair, pudding smeared on the face, come out in your bathrobe and rant loudly about UFOs and earth changes and NWO census agents of the shadow government, blindly following the powers that be, their masters. Really do it up. If you play it right, some small tippit of useful information worth considering might actually soak into their waterlogged sponge minds. Sometimes the best technique is to give them what they want, and make it a deluge. An enlightened one, worth remembering, makes it all the more delightful.

Of course, that's just me. The local power company came by the other day trying to offer their services to enter my home and install compact florescent lightbulbs, kindly removing all my nice and expensive natural light wattage bulbs. I said to them, 'don't you know those things are really toxic'. They said, 'well yes, they are filled with mercury, so if they break its not very good'. I just smiled and closed the door. Next time.... 'RUPRECT' will answer though.

:)

[Fred Steeves]

Messy hair, pudding smeared on the face, come out in your bathrobe and rant loudly about UFOs and earth changes and NWO census agents of the shadow government, blindly following the powers that be, their masters. Really do it up. If you play it right, some small tippit of useful information worth considering might actually soak into their waterlogged sponge minds. Sometimes the best technique is to give them what they want, and make it a deluge. An enlightened one, worth remembering, makes it all the more delightful.



Hi Artemesia, I have a fairly vivid imagination, but your description here is the most disturbing picture to pierce my fragile eggshell mind since the spoof Charles video briefly describing Bill Ryan scrubbing pots and pans, hatless, in a French maid's uniform.:lol:

Have you spent some time contemplating your future performance? Can we have it on video?

Cheers,
Fred

[Lord Sidious]

Here is an amusing post from a friend of mine.


They sent my Census form back! AGAIN!!! In response to the question: "Do you have any dependents ?" I replied - "12 million illegal immigrants ; 3 million crack heads; 42 million unemployable people, 2 million people in over 243 prisons; and 535 more in the U.S. House and Senate. Apparently , this was NOT an acceptable answer.

[Mad Hatter]

Mad Hatter dons his quizical cap

Quick question for those in the 'know'... I have not yet done my UCC paperwork so am I correct in assuming the option of writing 'No Contract - return to sender' is not really viable in my case?

Mad Hatter proceeds with plan b, hunting for a black pen with a really really FAT tip...

Update
=====

Plan C - sdrawkcab ni dellif eb lliw tI

[Lord Sidious]

Mad Hatter dons his quizical cap

Quick question for those in the 'know'... I have not yet done my UCC paperwork so am I correct in assuming the option of writing 'No Contract - return to sender' is not really viable in my case?

Mad Hatter proceeds with plan b, hunting for a black pen with a really really FAT tip...

Update
=====

Plan C - sdrawkcab ni dellif eb lliw tI

Why do you think you need a UCC 1 to do that?
Also, NEVER begin a remedy if you don't know the WHOLE process.
Do you know what to do if they come back to you after that?

[astrid]

yeah, that the problem, im not keen on having to deal with these boffins more than once, and frankly even that is too much.

Why i'm liking the "not at home idea" more and more.

Usually i'm the " crazy dog lady" who never answers her door.

This is where i came unstuck as i was expecting a delivery of some eye of newt, and i opened the door.

[loveandgratitude]

The biggest reaction to the Cenus is the question about religion. The Atheist Foundation of Australia (www.atheistfoundation.org.au) is running a "MARK NO RELIGION" campaign which is likely to be dwarfed by the JEDI FAITH (www.thejedifaith.com)

This is inspired by the STAR WARS franchise - 70.000 Australians registered as JEDI's.

If you belief system is JEDI then answer as such on the cenus form. But if you would normally answer Anglican or Jewish or Buddhist or something else to the question "What is your religion" and for the cenus you answer JEDI, then this may impact on social services provision if enough people do the same.

Just think if you answer "Church of Flying Spaghetti" would we have more Italian Restaurants. After all religions do promote the most extradionary ideas.

[Mad Hatter]

Hi Lord Sid,

I'm about half way through the 500+ pages of homework you gave out last time this subject came up. It is to a large degree repeating a lot of what I had already studied, Shrout, Harris, Meynard etc.
I do realise that UCC has not yet been adopted here (last time I checked they were still talking about it), thus was wondering since I have not officially registered anywhere a claim of right and a statement of intent nor have I established first lien against any of my property I appear to be lacking the standing required to put the 'No Contract' case forward.

To make matters worse (as if Australian corruption of the judicial process was not bad enough) I am English by birth and Australian by choice...ie a boat person and only have permanent resident status....

Given that when I asked the person at the door if I was lawfully obliged to fill it out they said yes and presented a bit of paper indicating that the basis for the compulsion is derived from the 'Census and Statistics Act 1905' with a further implied threat of being fined up to $110 dollars per day plus a recorded criminal conviction for failing to comply when directed to do so.

The fact that no loss or harm occurs should I not do so can still lead to criminal proceedings is telling in and of itself with regard to the systemic abuse of law in the country.

Noting perhaps the wise words of another poster I should perhaps pull my head in and pick another battle for which I'm better prepared....

cheers

PS I know my first mistake was to take what was offered...I was woken up out of deep sleep and am unfortunately to old to instantly have my wits about at that point. :-(

[pharoah21]

All this talk about how to get around the census is stressing me out, looking for new ideas.

It makes me realise I am in a privileged situation, because I recently moved, and now no one knows where the hell I live lol.

[Fred Steeves]

Here is an amusing post from a friend of mine.


T

Trying to think where I have heard that term before.


Cheers,
Fred

[Lord Sidious]

Hi Lord Sid,

I'm about half way through the 500+ pages of homework you gave out last time this subject came up. It is to a large degree repeating a lot of what I had already studied, Shrout, Harris, Meynard etc.
I do realise that UCC has not yet been adopted here (last time I checked they were still talking about it), thus was wondering since I have not officially registered anywhere a claim of right and a statement of intent nor have I established first lien against any of my property I appear to be lacking the standing required to put the 'No Contract' case forward.

To make matters worse (as if Australian corruption of the judicial process was not bad enough) I am English by birth and Australian by choice...ie a boat person and only have permanent resident status....

Given that when I asked the person at the door if I was lawfully obliged to fill it out they said yes and presented a bit of paper indicating that the basis for the compulsion is derived from the 'Census and Statistics Act 1905' with a further implied threat of being fined up to $110 dollars per day plus a recorded criminal conviction for failing to comply when directed to do so.

The fact that no loss or harm occurs should I not do so can still lead to criminal proceedings is telling in and of itself with regard to the systemic abuse of law in the country.

Noting perhaps the wise words of another poster I should perhaps pull my head in and pick another battle for which I'm better prepared....

cheers

PS I know my first mistake was to take what was offered...I was woken up out of deep sleep and am unfortunately to old to instantly have my wits about at that point. :-(

The ''no contract'' deal has nothing to do with the UCC, it is a basic contract law statement.
And the UCC has been quoted in a high court decision, meaning it is now part of our laws here.
I know of people who have used it here, including myself and it will work.
One friend has the assets held under the strawmans name on his and debt collectors were attempting to seize some of them, until they saw they were secured by a UCC 1.
As for this 'Census and Statistics Act 1905' communism, the point is that applies to persons, no? Are YOU a person? Can they prove you are?

[TigaHawk]

Wahahahaha

I had just finished lecturing my other half about how he's not to go anywhere near the front door if someone knocks on it and to pretend we're not home if someone does.

I go out the door to find they've hung the Census form inside a bag on the doornob.

It's now in the bin.

It's awesome, i can deny ever recieving it and they have no proof that i got it. Some bratt of a kid probably took it, and they'll more than likely do it again if they were to hang another on my door :) :) :) :) :)

[Mad Hatter]

The ''no contract'' deal has nothing to do with the UCC, it is a basic contract law statement.
In which case upon return I would ask for proof in the form of a wet ink signature on a properely constructed contract...


And the UCC has been quoted in a high court decision, meaning it is now part of our laws here.
I know of people who have used it here, including myself and it will work.
One friend has the assets held under the strawmans name on his and debt collectors were attempting to seize some of them, until they saw they were secured by a UCC 1.
Good news indeed and I will check that out via Austlii. Case number might help..?.;)


As for this 'Census and Statistics Act 1905' communism, the point is that applies to persons, no? Are YOU a person? Can they prove you are?
Fascinating that almost all questions refer to persons in the asking...
No I am not a person, I have a person(Legal Fiction) in the form of a strawmen(birth certificate) etc...
They cannot prove I am, although I would run the risk of slipping up on the attempts at joinder...

I am angry enough to want do something(like walk my talk) but my wife is worried that as is so often the case they'll choose not to abide by their own rules. :(

Hmmm...still lookin for a taf nep

[Lord Sidious]

Hospital Products Ltd v United States Surgical Corporation [1984] HCA 64; (1984) 156 CLR 41 (25 October 1984)
http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/cases/cth/HCA/1984/64.html?stem=0&synonyms=0&query=uniform%20commercial%20code

[Lifebringer]

My dog ate it? Look best to say, I'm moving so I'll do it in the other state I'm moving to. That will send them off. by nex "state" I mean relm. Have a good day.

[spelsylver]

i refused to fill out the census last year. ( i live in the states) They came to my apartment building everyday for weeks looking for tenants in apartment #3 and i avoided them. After i realized they were not going to go away, i finally just told her to stop coming here because whoever they are looking for in apt #3 is not there and that it is vacant. she said according the landlord, apartment #3 was occupied. I said well lets go check! Walked her up to my apartment, knocked on the door (no answer obviously because i was standing right outside the door!). then i told her that i live in that apartment (pointed to my side door with no # on it) and that i haven't seen anyone come out of that door (pointing to my front door) since i moved in. Which is true because i always use the side door, and have never once used that front door. She was satisfied with my flexed truth. They stopped coming to my house after that day. ;)

[bluestflame]

no longer anonymous this year , i'm thinking UN database , finalising plans lot of interesting posts going round that seem to engage the emotions pushing ( manipulating ) people into filling out this years census , in light of current world events re: privacy , data retention etc , if it's important to THEM , that we fill it out , it should be a huge red flag to us

heard a mention the Oz govt were instructed by UN to sell off all public owned assets , CHECK

i rekon new census has something to do with finalising preperations with a name to go with the statistics , that worries me




https://www.efa.org.au/privacy/census-2016/


Census 2016
ABS CC-BY
ABS CC-BY

The Australian Bureau of Statistics is implementing a significant change for the 2016 Census, due to be conducted on 9th August.

While most people support the concept of the census, which is used as a key data source for all sorts of policy decisions across both public and private sectors, some people do have concerns about the privacy issues involved with of such a data collection project.

Such concerns tend to focus on the considerable intensity of personal data collected by modern Census forms, and by the legal obligation to answer every single question (except religion), irrespective of sensitivities.

The changes implemented for the 2016 Census are significant and are likely to increase privacy concerns.

AND


As reported by Independent Australia, former statistician Bill McLennan has said that the 2016 Census is, “without doubt […] the most significant invasion of privacy ever perpetrated on Australians by the ABS”. There are number of concerning changes to the 2016 Census. Mainly:

Every person’s identity will remain linked to the data collected, forever1
There is some debate over whether the retention period is four years, or indefinite. However, as former ABS staffer Ross Hamilton points out, the ABS is proposing only to update identifiable information based on the 2020 Census, not to strip identifying information entirely after four years.
This constitutes a massive expansion compared to last Census, when this applied to only 5% (1 million people) of the population.
The data about each person, from all available Census and ABS surveys, will be linked together1
This is the stated explanation for identifying information being held: that with it, the ABS may build up an extremely robust profile of each individual in the country by linking and cross-referencing the various datasets it has available to it.
This constitutes a massive expansion compared to last year where this applied to only 5% (1 million people) of the population.
Additional data will be expropriated from other sources and added to each person’s record1
This is entirely new, and very concerning. EFA has raised concerns over the breadth and depth of data already held by political parties, and taken together with the expansions in the ABS’s data collection and retention practices, it paints a very bleak picture of the future of privacy in Australia.
Individual data about people and households will be made available to researchers. Nominally it will be de-identified, but in practice it will be so rich that it will be readily re-identifiable. 1
This, again, is entirely new this year. As shown in recent research, de-identification of datasets is a very complex and involved process, which very often fails. In fact, so long as groups have another form of identifying information, de-identifying anonymised datasets has been shown to be fairly simple.
In some cases, the individual data that is released to researchers will even include address, and "anonymised versions of names" (whatever that means). 1
This is also new, or at least believed to be new, in 2016. As Roger Clarke notes, however, “[p]ossibly the ABS is already doing this, without public knowledge”.


Each of these features, individually, is a gross, unjustified and unacceptable intrusion into people's privacy, and the combination of them is a serious breach of trust.

Many Australians will be so angry at these breaches of trust that the ABS's reputation is may be irreparably damaged. More importantly, there is a real danger that many Australians will choose to provide inaccurate responses or to boycott the Census altogether, thereby putting at risk the entire project and the hundreds of millions of dollars it costs to run.

[Mike Gorman]

The Census is all online this time around - you have a logon number which is unique to each household and complete the form online. As if they do not already know where most of us are in any case - each bank account is tracked and monitored (crime prevention you know) I bet there will be a lot of 'informal' entries! David Icke's recent tour reveals that more Aussies are becoming aware of alternative narratives - Australia has always been an anti-authoritarian society, maybe lulled to sleep by too much beer/wine/food and the quest to have at least 2 SUV's in the driveway and of course an investment property - but just under the skin there is a strong rebel spirit, here's hoping it continues!

[heather6thsense]

An on line census will be carried on the 9th August here in Australia. In order to make a better future for Austalians. The authorities know everything about everyone, so, why the census? Is it more about civil obedience than anything else. Your thoughts....

[Bill Ryan]

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In the England and Wales census of 2001, there was a viral underground movement, protesting at the requirement to state one's religion, to say you were a Jedi.

390,127 people (almost 0.8%) stated their religion as Jedi, surpassing Sikhism, Judaism, and Buddhism, and making it the fourth largest reported religion in the country. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi_census_phenomenon

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/Jedi_census_phenomenon_2001.pdf/page1-926px-Jedi_census_phenomenon_2001.pdf.jpg

[heather6thsense]

Just wondering how they can fine you when the census form is addressed to the resident And it suppose to be confidential. Anyway, in my opinion the bin is the best place for it.

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Love this :sun:

[TargeT]

DakivOyBo-M

jeebus, that's almost as Orwellian as England is...

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

I have also asked this question Heather, and I don't think that they legally can fine you. I came across this information earlier today:


The Census and Statistics Act only gives the Statistician the power to REQUEST that a person fill up a form or answer questions (e.g. a Census or one of their periodic surveys).
The Act does have penalty provisions, but these are not directly connected to filling out the Census form on Census night or answering questions when a collector knocks on your door.
There are no penalties for refusing a REQUEST to fill out a form.
If you refuse the Statistician’s request he then has the power to DIRECT you to fill out the Census form or answer survey questions but he can only do that after you have refused his REQUEST per sections 10(4) or 11(3) of the Act. To direct you to fill out a form there is a strict legal process which the Statistician must comply with. The process is this. The Statistician must serve a formal, legally defined “Notice of Direction” in writing on you if you refuse his request.
• It can be sent by mail but it must be addressed to you, by name at your address. (It cannot be addressed to the Householder or the Resident)
• It must be in writing.
• It must give you at least 14 days to comply with the direction
• It must detail the penalties that can be imposed if you do not comply with the direction, and
• It must DIRECT you to fill out the form or provide answers to survey questions.
If you don’t comply with a (genuine) “Notice of Direction”, the Statistician can take you to court and a magistrate can impose heavy fines. The Statistician cannot impose a fine. The penalties in the Census and Statistics Act are for refusing a direction. There are no penalties for refusing a request for information.
This is important. If you refuse a request for information (as is your legal right) and you subsequently receive a (genuine) “Notice of Direction” then you must give them the information they want or you will be fined.

However, you do not have to give them your name, or the names of any people in your house unless you are directed to do so in a Notice of Direction. But, if they don’t have your name then they can’t issue a Notice of Direction to you!

The Bureau of Statistics does not like to issue a “Notice of Direction” to respondents as they like to claim that all respondents “willingly complied” with their request for information (regardless of how much angst their intrusive surveys caused to their hapless victims or whether their respondents only acted under duress). To avoid issuing Notices of Direction, they resort to dishonest tactics by sending letters to anyone who refuses their demands. These letters purport to be formal Notices of Direction, but in reality they are a dishonest bluff tactic which the Bureau uses to extract information under false pretences. If a letter is not a genuine Notice of Direction (i.e. it does not meet all of the conditions listed above) then it can be ignored. If you receive a letter from the ABS, ask them to confirm, in writing, that it is a formal “Notice of Direction” in accordance with the Census and Statistics Act.
The ABS may also resort to harassment tactics and bureaucratic thuggery by sending more senior officers to you home to “persuade” you to give them the information that they want. Ignore these people. If they are not collectors seeking information and they are not delivering a (genuine) Notice of Direction then they have no authority to come to your home or to request information from you"

[Dianamar]

some interesting information from the ACT Canberra

https://www.privacy.org.au/Papers/ABS-Census_2016_and_Privacy_v8.pdf

it appears there is a problem with asking for a name on statistical information.

as a name is not a part of any statistic.

[Citizen No2]

You could always offer them some fava beans and a nice chianti...... pfppfpfpffpfffffff!!


"A census taker once tried to test me............."


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Regards.

[Constance]

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[Tintin]

Perhaps this should be somewhere else on the forum but for now I'll pop this here as it's an Australian example of digital surveillance in near real-time.

Source: https://twitter.com/balancealways/status/1696069826542776724

1696069826542776724

Text:



AUSTRALIA - The City of Unley is rolling out surveillance on its residents.

The SMART control of citizens movements. You’ll be fine, as long as you agree with everything the government tells you to do, think and say.

What could possibly go wrong? 🤷‍♀️

[Inversion]

Over fifteen years ago a census taker came to our door and asked some questions. Before he walked away, he said this in a snide way, "We have a gift for you." In retrospect he was probably referring to the smart meters. They probably wanted actuate algorithms for their death equations. In September 2018 Kent Dunn said this "The Rand Corporation out of Dallas, Texas wrote Agenda 21 for the United Nations." That link no longer works.