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raymond
1st August 2011, 04:30
The time will come, very soon, when a nation is measured by the amount of consciousness and human development its citizens possess.

GDP, military strength, sizes of tall buildings, these are all measurement indicators which belong to the old world, not the new one.

Davidallany
1st August 2011, 04:33
human development
Hi can you explain about this please?Thank you.

Omni connexae!
1st August 2011, 14:39
The time will come, very soon, when a nation is measured by the amount of consciousness and human development its citizens possess.

Who will measure such things and how will they measure them?

Eric J (Viking)
1st August 2011, 14:45
I like your 'vision' Raymond...soon.

viking

Rocky_Shorz
1st August 2011, 14:55
it is an easy thing to watch...

entitlement - enlightenment the two go hand in hand as a Country moves forward taking care of its poor that gives the time for creativity and spirituality for the population...

a country moves backwards as they take away benefits the poor need to survive... skyrocket in crime and chaos is the result...

People hide in fear, lowering vibrations... Government spending rises moving closer towards a police state...

mekiac
1st August 2011, 15:03
Who will measure such things and how will they measure them?
We could ask Eternal_One :behindsofa:

Apart from that:
Seperation from other countries -> mistrust -> necessity of being able to defend oneself -> seeing that the others are armed -> mistrust -> ....

As long as we are seperating us from others, we will keep measuring with money and power and lock the door of our house
As soon as we find out that we are one big family -> no need of any kind of measurement

However, no war, no GDP, no locks, i also think it will become true soon

RedeZra
1st August 2011, 16:57
Who will measure such things and how will they measure them?
We could ask Eternal_One :behindsofa:

Apart from that:
Seperation from other countries -> mistrust -> necessity of being able to defend oneself -> seeing that the others are armed -> mistrust -> ....


the problem is not so much about separation or even isolation... but bombing sovereign states to oblivion

besides what is it that you want behind the sofa lol

K626
2nd August 2011, 11:12
The time will come, very soon, when a nation is measured by the amount of consciousness and human development its citizens possess.

GDP, military strength, sizes of tall buildings, these are all measurement indicators which belong to the old world, not the new one.

You can easily see the young nations and the old nations at a glance.

love

K

Chucky
2nd August 2011, 13:15
How about we just all see no borders and you will then see one world, one people and one goal. To better ourselves and assist eachother and the city,s will reach the stars in peace!!!

ulli
2nd August 2011, 13:36
How about we just all see no borders and you will then see one world, one people and one goal. To better ourselves and assist eachother and the city,s will reach the stars in peace!!!

Well, that's exactly what the globalizers are striving for.
The question is, can humanity find the balance point between oneness and diversity.
Right now there are more people striving to preserve their cultural and national sovereignty than ever before.
Imagine, the US becoming "the former United States"....
The same way we are now speaking of the former Soviet republics.

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Here is an interesting article:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/linda-leaming/the-debt-ceiling-happines_b_914514.html?utm_source=DailyBrief&utm_campaign=080111&utm_medium=email&utm_content=BlogEntry&utm_term=Daily%20Brief



Recently the UN General Assembly adopted a resolution on happiness. Spurred by the tiny Himalayan nation of Bhutan, the country that coined the term "Gross National Happiness," the resolution has 66 nations as sponsors including the UK. The resolution urges member nations to develop their own more balanced approach to economic growth that takes well-being and human happiness into consideration.

Good news, no?

It's the way of the world that this little triumph was completely overshadowed by the mass murders in Norway, the debt ceiling fight in the US, the famine in Somalia, and the Murdoch hacking scandal in the UK, to name but a few of the world's worries.

"What role should happiness play in development?" asked the UN General Assembly to no one. We were too distracted, horrified, frustrated, and captivated, and doing what it takes to make it through our days. We hardly have time to even think about being happy. Or balanced. And if you have balance and any sort of happiness in your life, chances are you don't watch a lot of news.

Late at night, alone in the dark, we'll concede that happiness is the thing we want most, along with peace of mind. But happiness and a centered life elude us. Happiness is always the target, the reason we do what we do. But we seem to be shooting in the dark.

It's been said more than a few times, by Robert Kennedy, by The Fourth King of Bhutan, and many others, but it bears repeating: what a country produces, its Gross National Product, is not a very good way to measure how well a country is doing. Measuring products doesn't address human needs.

Bhutan's prime minister Jigmi Thinley, who recommended the adoption of the resolution on happiness at last year's General Assembly, believes "our economic models are greatly, deeply flawed" and unsustainable. You'd never get an American politician to even come close to saying something like that. The level of dysfunction exhibited by our political leaders as they spin their wheels and posture in Washington over the vote on debt ceiling is beyond the pale. It's going to cost us more than money.

Everyone knows we're running out of money and time and we have enough stuff. Bhutan's petition to put happiness on the UN agenda challenges the very definition of how we determine well-being, by attempting to measure happiness and spiritual development as well as economic prosperity. Bhutan uses four main indicators: equitable economic development, cultural preservation, good governance and ecology and all have equal weight when making policy. Any decision made by the government has to hit at least two of the goals. Why is that any more implausible than putting all of our eggs in an economic basket?

It's a brilliant albeit difficult concept, and Bhutan is trying to make it work, while its government makes an enormous change from monarchy to parliamentary democracy. Most people have no idea the country of Bhutan even exists. Some who know it think it's Shangri-la and this is dangerous because it holds the country to a higher standard. My sadness is that the country could become merely a target for people with political agendas, opportunistic journalists, and others, and the real message of the UN resolution will get lost. Whatever you think or don't think about Bhutan, remember this: happiness is all you ever really wanted. And what we have now doesn't work.

Anno
2nd August 2011, 13:43
Don't 'the others' already measure us like that? They like to hide the fact that they use things like Numerology, Astrology etc but you always get the odd story coming through about a famous person paying a numerologist to change their name or a rich stock broker that has a personal astrologer on their board.

They have to choose where to start wars and where to place negative things like bases so surely the consciousness of those in the area would be key to their ability to hide in plain sight. The same goes for choosing who to try and corrupt. If they approached everyone like a teenager looking for a dealer they'd soon be exposed. They must have some other way of measuring the potential of 'the force' in any individual.

Most of us get fed 'Superstition' so we don't bother so maybe we could try to figure out what the tools are and how to use them so we can use them ourselves?

Chucky
2nd August 2011, 14:01
Thats true the one world order is a concept only though. The fear is simply because it is fear driven world order that is trying to take a foot hold. As a responsible race and an individual this concept means unity and all as one and one as all. We are united and independant.
I feel that as the bad guys try to divide and conquer us as they have for centurys we are seeing now the times where the 2 opposing groups are truly becoming seperated now. The Dictaorship New World Order against the Responsible evolved world understanding order is standing up and taking form now. It feels like merely the final showdown of controllers against the Free Spirited. So New World Order really is coming but which side is the one for this time here and now. We evolve then we move up and open new doors as a race with no need to control or be controlled. We all stand tall in ourselves and by eachother. I feel thats a goal we are getting closer to now.... Chucky



How about we just all see no borders and you will then see one world, one people and one goal. To better ourselves and assist eachother and the city,s will reach the stars in peace!!!

Well, that's exactly what the globalizers are striving for.
The question is, can humanity find the balance point between oneness and diversity.
Right now there are more people striving to preserve their cultural and national sovereignty than ever before.
Imagine, the US becoming "the former United States"....
The same way we are now speaking of the former Soviet republics.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Here is an interesting article:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/linda-leaming/the-debt-ceiling-happines_b_914514.html?utm_source=DailyBrief&utm_campaign=080111&utm_medium=email&utm_content=BlogEntry&utm_term=Daily%20Brief



Recently the UN General Assembly adopted a resolution on happiness. Spurred by the tiny Himalayan nation of Bhutan, the country that coined the term "Gross National Happiness," the resolution has 66 nations as sponsors including the UK. The resolution urges member nations to develop their own more balanced approach to economic growth that takes well-being and human happiness into consideration.

Good news, no?

It's the way of the world that this little triumph was completely overshadowed by the mass murders in Norway, the debt ceiling fight in the US, the famine in Somalia, and the Murdoch hacking scandal in the UK, to name but a few of the world's worries.

"What role should happiness play in development?" asked the UN General Assembly to no one. We were too distracted, horrified, frustrated, and captivated, and doing what it takes to make it through our days. We hardly have time to even think about being happy. Or balanced. And if you have balance and any sort of happiness in your life, chances are you don't watch a lot of news.

Late at night, alone in the dark, we'll concede that happiness is the thing we want most, along with peace of mind. But happiness and a centered life elude us. Happiness is always the target, the reason we do what we do. But we seem to be shooting in the dark.

It's been said more than a few times, by Robert Kennedy, by The Fourth King of Bhutan, and many others, but it bears repeating: what a country produces, its Gross National Product, is not a very good way to measure how well a country is doing. Measuring products doesn't address human needs.

Bhutan's prime minister Jigmi Thinley, who recommended the adoption of the resolution on happiness at last year's General Assembly, believes "our economic models are greatly, deeply flawed" and unsustainable. You'd never get an American politician to even come close to saying something like that. The level of dysfunction exhibited by our political leaders as they spin their wheels and posture in Washington over the vote on debt ceiling is beyond the pale. It's going to cost us more than money.

Everyone knows we're running out of money and time and we have enough stuff. Bhutan's petition to put happiness on the UN agenda challenges the very definition of how we determine well-being, by attempting to measure happiness and spiritual development as well as economic prosperity. Bhutan uses four main indicators: equitable economic development, cultural preservation, good governance and ecology and all have equal weight when making policy. Any decision made by the government has to hit at least two of the goals. Why is that any more implausible than putting all of our eggs in an economic basket?

It's a brilliant albeit difficult concept, and Bhutan is trying to make it work, while its government makes an enormous change from monarchy to parliamentary democracy. Most people have no idea the country of Bhutan even exists. Some who know it think it's Shangri-la and this is dangerous because it holds the country to a higher standard. My sadness is that the country could become merely a target for people with political agendas, opportunistic journalists, and others, and the real message of the UN resolution will get lost. Whatever you think or don't think about Bhutan, remember this: happiness is all you ever really wanted. And what we have now doesn't work.

ulli
2nd August 2011, 14:33
Chucky, I'm totally with you on that.
And I know it is coming, no one can stop it, it is the divine will,
either with the controllers out of the way, completely, or spiritually transformed.

And especially if we have contact with other worlds, our world will need to have representation at the highest level.

Chucky
3rd August 2011, 00:42
Yep I can say and understand what Alex Collier means when he said ( Where focus goes Energy flows) So we must individually right now stand up for our rights but try not to keep trapped in the fear game on the news and the rest of it...Cheers!


Chucky, I'm totally with you on that.
And I know it is coming, no one can stop it, it is the divine will,
either with the controllers out of the way, completely, or spiritually transformed.

And especially if we have contact with other worlds, our world will need to have representation at the highest level.