This rattled my cage when I read it

[Daft Ada]

This is from page 22 in these FBI documents on the FBI site, Released under the freedom of information act. Note the date is 1947. follow this link for the Original.

http://vault.fbi.gov/UFO/UFO%20Part%201%20of%2016/view


http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j114/Wedgehog/Page22.jpg

[Carmody]

point #9, how to reach them: John Logie Baird created 'television' to be able to reach and communicate with spirits or dimensional beings. By 1945, he had created a High Definition video transmission system which is beyond our current best HDTV standards. Not only created, it was ready for production, ie a done deal. That's about 65 years ago.

His personage and work capacities were shifted into radar work.

[stegosaur]

Does anyone understand point 8? I don't, and apparently Google isn't esoteric enough either to define Lokes or Talas....

[bearcow]

Does anyone understand point 8? I don't, and apparently Google isn't esoteric enough either to define Lokes or Talas....

this might help

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paatala_loka

quasi-physical worlds where lesser immortals reside

[Taurean]

It's highly likely that Arthur C. Clarke would have been involved with anything to do with the development of Radar.

[Zepheriah]

This is incredible, damn you for showing me this! My afternoons will never be free aghain!

[Daft Ada]

Hee Hee :biggrin1: yes I found it quite time consuming, but a hell of a read, it all started with Hoover at the FBI being worried that the Army wouldn't give him information about any Flying Disks that they found and in fact J Hoover wrote in his own hand on one of the documents, Page 45 I think, he wrote "I would do it, but before agreeing to it we must insist upon full access to discs recovered. For instance in the ?? (possibly IN) case the Army grabbed it & would not let us near it for cursory examination"
Reading the documents from earlier than page 45 will make you understand what he meant by "I would do it"

And doesnt the fact that J Edgar Hoover writing in his own hand "we must insist upon full access to discs recovered." Show that he certainly believed they existed.

[FraterJames]

Does anyone understand point 8? I don't, and apparently Google isn't esoteric enough either to define Lokes or Talas....

As I understand it (from a Western occult/estoteric perspective) the Lokas / Talas are the unfolding worlds associated with a particular world on the tree of life.

To elaborate, the tree of life is made up of the following 4 worlds:

Atziluth - Spiritual / Archetypal World
Briah - Mental / Creative World
Yetzirah - Astral / Formative World
Assiah - Physical / Material World

and so the Lokas and Talas are the worlds which unfold within the 4 worlds mentioned above. For example, Earth is in a Loka unfolding in Assiah.

Bringing this back to the FBI document, it seems to make the point that the aliens are not actually from another planet but from another Loka (world) which probably resides in Assiah (just like Earth resides in Assiah).

I know that sounds a bit complicated, but hopefully it helps :)

[Carmody]

Does anyone understand point 8? I don't, and apparently Google isn't esoteric enough either to define Lokes or Talas....

this might help

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paatala_loka

quasi-physical worlds where lesser immortals reside

According to the Vishnu Purana,[2] seventy thousand Yojanas (a unit of measurement) below the Earth's surface lie the seven realms of Patala, which are located one above the other. Each of them extends ten thousand Yojanas. In Vishnu Purana, they are named as from the highest to the lowest as: Atala, Vitala, Nitala, Garbhastimat, Mahatala, Sutala and Patala. In Bhagavata Purana and Padma Purana, they are called Atala, Vitala, Sutala, Talatala, Mahatala, Rasatala and Patala. The Vayu Purana calls them Rasatala, Sutala, Vitala, Gabhastala, Mahatala, Sritala and Patala.[2] The seven Patalas as well as the earth above them is supported on the head of the tamasic (dark) form of god Vishnu, the thousand-headed serpent (Naga) Shesha.[2][4] Sometimes, Sesha is described to reside in the lowest region of Patala, instead of below it.[7] Below the regions of Patala, lies Naraka, the Hindu Hell - the realm of death where sinners are punished.[2]

From the link.

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This is interesting as this corresponds to the God Typhon, the thousand eyed beast of the lower hells, in Greek Mythology. Also 1000. 10x10x10 which describes a cube, which is a platonic solid which has 6 pyramids within, all facing each other. Pyramid and cube, both platonic solids, or fundamentals of mathematics and geometry.

Which creates the core central point of an x-y-z spin of a vortex, which creates particles as we know it. (6 pyramids facing each other)

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/pyramidvortex.jpg

Basically, oscillating longitudinal scalar waves at their meeting point form a spin. thus the vortex of the 3D matter or particle. And it is slower than the infinitely huge and FTL (Faster Than Light) longitudinal waves that it is made up from.

Thus..... matter, gravity, particles, time (across particles), gyroscopic effects, Fibonacci (golden ratio), lattice structures, complex impedance, voltage, polarity, inductance, etc, etc, etc.

From the top of a pyramid, if electrified by a Van de Graaff generator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_de_Graaff_generator) (or Tesla coil), we get a dual helix spiral of DNA or in this case a dual strand of energy or plasma.

We have two strands of DNA, or one energetic form of the top of one pyramid. Ie, we live in one dimension of awareness and access, the rest are off in different directions.

They talk about 12 strands of DNA 'becoming activated'?

That just happens to correspond to the total number of strands in the 6 pyramids that face each other. Remember each has a dual helix of energy spiraling off it, when energized. This is fact, not conjecture, on the energetic helix point. (see the pyramid and Van De Graaff generator bit above)

Which is how the yellowbook, regarding basic geometry ( mind driven dimensional and time-line 'viewing device') of Dan Bursich's mention was (from my understandings) built upon, as basics go.

I hope that some of you are using your noggins to look into what I just said, as logic goes. Just explore a bit.

I'm speaking of odd connections within the scope of "idea formation".....but what I'm saying might be a bit jaw dropping for some of you.

When we look within, to the center of the now moment, we gain access to the others.

Central Station.

The doorway is deep inside. The doorway is in both directions. However, there is more than one door at that 'central station' .....so be careful what your intent opens. THe filter of your ego blocks clean access, it colors.

Thus the scalar longitudinal waves that form this dimensional polarization that we call 3d reality, and the ego function tied to this bodily or 3d particle point of 'existence- in time'.

Drop the fear vibration or 'angular access point' to and within you, and their (or is it an extension of 'you'? or both?) access and power --falls away.

Thus our ability to transcend timelines, time, and dimensions when we access our inner door.

And thus, connected to the Hindu swastika :

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/HinduSwastika.svg/180px-HinduSwastika.svg.png

And we know the Nazi's flipped it into a mirror image.... and turned it 45 degrees.

(edit, sid corrected me, they did not flip it?)

[Carmody]

Just gently pushing the pile forward.

Move too fast and disaster is the outcome. ego conflict.

One must dissolve the ego's influence on their own.

One must come forth from the egg on their own, it cannot be done for them.

Which is the basis of the entire totally obtuse affair of this current situation.

[Lord Sidious]

And thus, connected to the Hindu swastika :

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/HinduSwastika.svg/180px-HinduSwastika.svg.png

And we know the Nazi's flipped it into a mirror image.... and turned it 45 degrees.

In that case, you know nothing.
The swastika that went to europe with the first ''europeans'' is exactly as you see that, but it is also as it is on the NSDAP flags.
There is even an ornament in the sutton hoo treasure that is like your one with a wreath around it, exactly like the SS banners, except the space of a millenia seperates them.

[seehas]

brilliant scientists back in these days, they found out all this information over 60 years now ... some folks are out of disneyland since a pretty long time now ;)

great to read the interdimensional stuff, it took me a while to get there and they know this since such a long time


wow

[Carmody]

And thus, connected to the Hindu swastika :

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/HinduSwastika.svg/180px-HinduSwastika.svg.png

And we know the Nazi's flipped it into a mirror image.... and turned it 45 degrees.

In that case, you know nothing.
The swastika that went to europe with the first ''europeans'' is exactly as you see that, but it is also as it is on the NSDAP flags.
There is even an ornament in the sutton hoo treasure that is like your one with a wreath around it, exactly like the SS banners, except the space of a millenia separates them.

You're right Sid, I mixed that bit up with some other things.....

However, the cheek of using it, in the first place. Reasons? Certainly not public ones. I could not remember if they had reversed it or not, and all I had to do is go check. My Bad.

[Lord Sidious]

And thus, connected to the Hindu swastika :

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/HinduSwastika.svg/180px-HinduSwastika.svg.png

And we know the Nazi's flipped it into a mirror image.... and turned it 45 degrees.

In that case, you know nothing.
The swastika that went to europe with the first ''europeans'' is exactly as you see that, but it is also as it is on the NSDAP flags.
There is even an ornament in the sutton hoo treasure that is like your one with a wreath around it, exactly like the SS banners, except the space of a millenia separates them.

You're right Sid, I mixed that bit up with some other things.....

However, the cheek of using it, in the first place. Reasons? Certainly not public ones. I could not remember if they had reversed it or not, and all I had to do is go check. My Bad.

I would suggest to you, that they used that symbol for a very good reason.
The question is, why do you attibute it to cheek?

[ViralSpiral]

I would suggest to you, that they used that symbol for a very good reason.


Sanskrit svasti (sv = well; asti = is), meaning good fortune, luck and well-being?

[Lord Sidious]

I would suggest to you, that they used that symbol for a very good reason.


Sanskrit svasti (sv = well; asti = is), meaning good fortune, luck and well-being?

Yes, it means that.
No, that isn't why they used it.
Well, the exoteric reason is, but I want the REAL reason.

[Davidallany]

The swastika that went to europe with the first ''europeans'' is exactly as you see that, but it is also as it is on the NSDAP flags.
Maybe the original European artist who copied the drawing first got confused due to alcohol intoxication, and flipped it over?

[Unified Serenity]

I hope anyone reading this understands that this was one individual writing to the FBI. It's not an FBI document saying what ufo's are, who the aliens are or anything. I guess we can all be famous and start writing to the FBI about our beliefs then have someone do a FOI on said topic and try to give credence to our experiences or beliefs. I am not saying what I feel about what's said in that documents at the FBI, but I am cautioning people to not think it's anymore valid than what you or someone else believes, heck for that matter, why would you believe anything coming from the "Official Government" alphabet soup gang?

The truth is out there, but one person's truth is another person's fantasy, drug induced experience, chemical inbalance, or charismatic prelude to the second coming of Christ. Just seek for yourself, investigate with a bit of skepticism, and always walk in love.

Serenity

[Lord Sidious]

The swastika that went to europe with the first ''europeans'' is exactly as you see that, but it is also as it is on the NSDAP flags.
Maybe the original European artist who copied the drawing first got confused due to alcohol intoxication, and flipped it over?

The original town that our ancestors built, Arkaim, is in the shape of a triskelion.
They are all the same.
The flipped ones are those that are from other traditions, but the swastika was given to us.
Question for you David. Have you heard of EMVs?

[Carmody]

And thus, connected to the Hindu swastika :

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/HinduSwastika.svg/180px-HinduSwastika.svg.png

And we know the Nazi's flipped it into a mirror image.... and turned it 45 degrees.

In that case, you know nothing.
The swastika that went to europe with the first ''europeans'' is exactly as you see that, but it is also as it is on the NSDAP flags.
There is even an ornament in the sutton hoo treasure that is like your one with a wreath around it, exactly like the SS banners, except the space of a millenia separates them.

You're right Sid, I mixed that bit up with some other things.....

However, the cheek of using it, in the first place. Reasons? Certainly not public ones. I could not remember if they had reversed it or not, and all I had to do is go check. My Bad.

I would suggest to you, that they used that symbol for a very good reason.
The question is, why do you attribute it to cheek?

This seems to go back to, with regard to modern aspects and connections...to the German explorations in archeology in Mesopotamia (cuneiform tablets, etc), which became an exploration of the Torah, and the discovery that the first 5 books of the Torah where not written by someone by the name of Moses and that at best, someone named Moses compiled them.

This opened the door to academic and scientific questioning of origins, which is what entailed. Around the 1880's IIRC.

Which moves us forward to wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. The questioning of religion and the removal of middle eastern derived systems of precious metal control, banking houses, pirates and elitists, wars, and the permanence of unquestioned and non-evolving (unchanging permanence, ie purposeful systems of unchanging dogma as a control system-slavery through religion as a lever and mechanism) religious structures.

Thus... Nazi's in outer space, underground bases, and the current US directions and directives, via the US banking and elitist houses, all tied to the bank of England, Rothschilds, and Israel, etc, etc, etc . Not the perfect capsule explanation, but I think you might get the point.

A considerable amount of information is needed to explain all of that. The key, in the modern sense of a chapter of unfolding in this continual flow, is apparently the Mesopotamian explorations of German Archeologists in the 1880's, and the date is sometime in 1902.

The name is Delitzcsh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Delitzsch), and the work is called "Babel und Bibel".

[Lord Sidious]

I am told they are still there, still working in the area once known as mesopotamia.

[Carmody]

I am told they are still there, still working in the area once known as mesopotamia.

And that Germany was digging in conjunction with Iraqi archeologists in 14 different archeological digs, all considered important finds, regarding the origins of humans.

That the biggest and most important was the 400 acre site outside of Baghdad.

That the 14 dig sites ended up (apparently!) being US bases run by US corporations when they moved into Iraq in 2003, that the archeological finds of the Germans and the Iraqi's were what the sacking of the Baghdad museum were all about, on the night of the 'invasion' (the initial firestorm) in 2003...

And that the 400 acre dig-site, considered to be THE MOST IMPORTANT ARCHEOLOGICAL FIND IN ALL HUMAN HISTORY, regarding the revelations of humankind's true history...well that somehow disappeared..and we ended up with some thing called 'the green zone'..just outside of Baghdad, a 400 acre fortress created by the Americans.

I hope that this begins to make a bit more sense to people.

The problem is the obtaining of a scorecard to figure who's who --and what their given agendas are.

I was talking about this back in 2005, which was part of what seemingly earned me a personal visit.

And that the 'nut' to be cracked regarding unfolding and understanding what is going on with the middle east and the rest of the world, is contained, to some extent, in these last few posts.

[Davidallany]

Question for you David. Have you heard of EMVs?
I have not my Lord. What is it?

[Davidallany]

And that Germany was digging in conjunction with Iraqi archeologists in 14 different archeological digs, all considered important finds, regarding the origins of humans.

That the biggest and most important was the 400 acre site outside of Baghdad.

That the 14 dig sites ended up (apparently!) being US bases run by US corporations when they moved into Iraq in 2003, that the archeological finds of the Germans and the Iraqi's were what the sacking of the Baghdad museum were all about, on the night of the 'invasion' (the initial firestorm) in 2003...

And that the 400 acre dig-site, considered to be THE MOST IMPORTANT ARCHEOLOGICAL FIND IN ALL HUMAN HISTORY, regarding the revelations of humankind's true history...well that somehow disappeared..and we ended up with some thing called 'the green zone'..just outside of Baghdad, a 400 acre fortress created by the Americans.

I hope that this begins to make a bit more sense to people.

The problem is the obtaining of a scorecard to figure who's who --and what their given agendas are.

I was talking about this back in 2005, which was part of what seemingly earned me a personal visit.

And that the 'nut' to be cracked regarding unfolding and understanding what is going on with the middle east and the rest of the world, is contained, to some extent, in these last few posts.
In Buddhism the Swastika represents returning to home, the god inside. Maybe they have been digging in Iraq to retrieve the original DNA labs, that founded current humanity through Shem, Ham and Japheth?

[Davidallany]

It's highly likely that Arthur C. Clarke would have been involved with anything to do with the development of Radar.
Arthur C. Clarke was probably an esoteric and occult knowledge researcher/ practitioner. He spent part of his life in solitude in Sri Lanka, writing books? or supervising underground research into the occult?
http://top-10-list.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Arthur-C.-Clarke.jpg

[58andfixed]

Download the document in PDF format.

7.3 MBytes.

http://vault.fbi.gov/UFO/UFO%20Part%201%20of%2016/at_download/file

- 58

[Lord Sidious]

I am told they are still there, still working in the area once known as mesopotamia.

And that Germany was digging in conjunction with Iraqi archeologists in 14 different archeological digs, all considered important finds, regarding the origins of humans.

That the biggest and most important was the 400 acre site outside of Baghdad.

That the 14 dig sites ended up (apparently!) being US bases run by US corporations when they moved into Iraq in 2003, that the archeological finds of the Germans and the Iraqi's were what the sacking of the Baghdad museum were all about, on the night of the 'invasion' (the initial firestorm) in 2003...

And that the 400 acre dig-site, considered to be THE MOST IMPORTANT ARCHEOLOGICAL FIND IN ALL HUMAN HISTORY, regarding the revelations of humankind's true history...well that somehow disappeared..and we ended up with some thing called 'the green zone'..just outside of Baghdad, a 400 acre fortress created by the Americans.

I hope that this begins to make a bit more sense to people.

The problem is the obtaining of a scorecard to figure who's who --and what their given agendas are.

I was talking about this back in 2005, which was part of what seemingly earned me a personal visit.

And that the 'nut' to be cracked regarding unfolding and understanding what is going on with the middle east and the rest of the world, is contained, to some extent, in these last few posts.

One of the things looted from the museums, was an original babylonian talmud.
The us army sent a special forces a team in to get it and they did.
Why would they want that, do you think?



Question for you David. Have you heard of EMVs?
I have not my Lord. What is it?

Google James Horak + emv.

[Carmody]

If I had to guess, that as a source of the formation of law and rules for living, it says some very different things than the current Babylonian predominant Talmud.


But anyone can guess that with a bit of reading. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud)

[modwiz]

I am told they are still there, still working in the area once known as mesopotamia.

And that Germany was digging in conjunction with Iraqi archeologists in 14 different archeological digs, all considered important finds, regarding the origins of humans.

That the biggest and most important was the 400 acre site outside of Baghdad.

That the 14 dig sites ended up (apparently!) being US bases run by US corporations when they moved into Iraq in 2003, that the archeological finds of the Germans and the Iraqi's were what the sacking of the Baghdad museum were all about, on the night of the 'invasion' (the initial firestorm) in 2003...

And that the 400 acre dig-site, considered to be THE MOST IMPORTANT ARCHEOLOGICAL FIND IN ALL HUMAN HISTORY, regarding the revelations of humankind's true history...well that somehow disappeared..and we ended up with some thing called 'the green zone'..just outside of Baghdad, a 400 acre fortress created by the Americans.

I hope that this begins to make a bit more sense to people.

The problem is the obtaining of a scorecard to figure who's who --and what their given agendas are.

I was talking about this back in 2005, which was part of what seemingly earned me a personal visit.

And that the 'nut' to be cracked regarding unfolding and understanding what is going on with the middle east and the rest of the world, is contained, to some extent, in these last few posts.

The point you are making here, Carmody, is covered at some length and intelligence at bibliotecapleyades in the area on exopolitics. I would be greatly surprised if you do not already know most, or more, of what is covered there.

Here is the main page:http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_middleeast.htm

This page is loaded with very informative papers that will get you up to speed and save Carmody a knock on his door.

Here is some information germane to the point Carmody is making: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/esp_exopolitics_J_1.htm\

Here is a bonus post that will keep you going for days:http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_humanitymanipulationalien.htm#menu

[winston smith1971]

I hope anyone reading this understands that this was one individual writing to the FBI. It's not an FBI document saying what ufo's are, who the aliens are or anything. I guess we can all be famous and start writing to the FBI about our beliefs then have someone do a FOI on said topic and try to give credence to our experiences or beliefs. I am not saying what I feel about what's said in that documents at the FBI, but I am cautioning people to not think it's anymore valid than what you or someone else believes, heck for that matter, why would you believe anything coming from the "Official Government" alphabet soup gang?

The truth is out there, but one person's truth is another person's fantasy, drug induced experience, chemical inbalance, or charismatic prelude to the second coming of Christ. Just seek for yourself, investigate with a bit of skepticism, and always walk in love.

Serenity

You are right after i read your post i reread the document an it actually says he thinks it will be disregarded.It was captured craft or shot down it was just some guys opinion, gutted i thought this may of been proof of inter dimensional craft or demon type that steve qualye etc. mention.

[Carmody]

I am told they are still there, still working in the area once known as mesopotamia.

And that Germany was digging in conjunction with Iraqi archeologists in 14 different archeological digs, all considered important finds, regarding the origins of humans.

That the biggest and most important was the 400 acre site outside of Baghdad.

That the 14 dig sites ended up (apparently!) being US bases run by US corporations when they moved into Iraq in 2003, that the archeological finds of the Germans and the Iraqi's were what the sacking of the Baghdad museum were all about, on the night of the 'invasion' (the initial firestorm) in 2003...

And that the 400 acre dig-site, considered to be THE MOST IMPORTANT ARCHEOLOGICAL FIND IN ALL HUMAN HISTORY, regarding the revelations of humankind's true history...well that somehow disappeared..and we ended up with some thing called 'the green zone'..just outside of Baghdad, a 400 acre fortress created by the Americans.

I hope that this begins to make a bit more sense to people.

The problem is the obtaining of a scorecard to figure who's who --and what their given agendas are.

I was talking about this back in 2005, which was part of what seemingly earned me a personal visit.

And that the 'nut' to be cracked regarding unfolding and understanding what is going on with the middle east and the rest of the world, is contained, to some extent, in these last few posts.

The point you are making here, Carmody, is covered at some length and intelligence at bibliotecapleyades in the area on exopolitics. I would be greatly surprised if you do not already know most, or more, of what is covered there.

Here is the main page:http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_middleeast.htm

This page is loaded with very informative papers that will get you up to speed and save Carmody a knock on his door.

Here is some information germane to the point Carmody is making: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/esp_exopolitics_J_1.htm\

Here is a bonus post that will keep you going for days:http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_humanitymanipulationalien.htm#menu

. bump