The Out of Body Experience

[Jake]

For those of you who know me,,, I have some more cool stuff regarding the OBE...

For those who don't,,, Hello, my name is Jake. I am a natural projector. The OBE has been a part of my life for as long as I remember. It is an untapped potential for all of us. There is an ET element to the events in my life... I have had thousands of fully conscious OBEs. This is a real phenomenon, and I will scream it from the rooftops until i am pure energy again. The Book of Jacob... (https://www.dropbox.com/s/i4gcn8fs4xlqp3r/The%20Book%20of%20Jacob.pdf?dl=0) it is free.

Wether you know me or not,,, you do not have to take my word for it. I started downloading video clips of my favorite speakers talking about the OBE. I started putting the clips together to make a video of them.

You do not have to take my word for it,,, It seems that I am standing on the shoulders of GIANTS. (with regards the delivery of my message.)

A special thanks to Bill Ryan, Robert Monroe, David Icke, David Wilcox, Alex Collier, Bob Dean, and Pane Andov.

This video has its own message,,, enjoy. Jake.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ-QII0CV0M

[Nyce555]

Thanks Jake! I am still learning a lot about myself during Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming. There are so many things I want to do while I am out of body, but sometimes I am blocked from seeing things and I try to use my consciousness to project myself to a specific location and I end up somewhere else. It is weird. I always wake up excited, but disappointed that I did not get to go to the place I wanted to go. Do you know what might be causeing this? I attributed it to an internal fear maybe holding me back from seeing certain things, but I am not sure.

[WhiteFeather]

Jake the video you linked isnt processed yet on YT. LMK when its up. Would love to see this.

[Jake]

Thanks Jake! I am still learning a lot about myself during Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming. There are so many things I want to do while I am out of body, but sometimes I am blocked from seeing things and I try to use my consciousness to project myself to a specific location and I end up somewhere else. It is weird. I always wake up excited, but disappointed that I did not get to go to the place I wanted to go. Do you know what might be causeing this? I attributed it to an internal fear maybe holding me back from seeing certain things, but I am not sure.

I know exactly what you are talking about. :) It still happens to me a lot. I have always kept a list of goals, in my journals. So that when I find myself conscious and aware, while out of body,,, I will not waste time playing, (putting my hands through walls,,, flying,,, etc.) and I will concentrate on a task. It helps to keep the experienced focused to our understanding of it. Any OBE, Astral projection, Lucid dream, or dream,,, will eventually move into a complete non-linear mode of expression,, meaning that it will be difficult to remember it when we 'get back'.

The thing is,,, is that there is always an OBE in progress,,, kinda hard to explain. There are different aspects of self operating at all times. Here in the physical, we do not understand completely what the hell is going on. Do NOT be surprised to find yourself awake and conscious, and in and unfamiliar place. Just try and go with the flow... I woke up once to find myself awake and aware, and in an unfamiliar place,,, This entire earth//human existence, is waking into an unfamiliar place. :):):)

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Jake the video you linked isnt processed yet on YT. LMK when its up. Would love to see this.

Sorry bout that. It is still processing. (dang youtube!)

[Nyce555]

[QUOTE=Nyce555;276433]Thanks Jake! I am still learning a lot about myself during Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming. There are so many things I want to do while I am out of body, but sometimes I am blocked from seeing things and I try to use my consciousness to project myself to a specific location and I end up somewhere else. It is weird. I always wake up excited, but disappointed that I did not get to go to the place I wanted to go. Do you know what might be causeing this? I attributed it to an internal fear maybe holding me back from seeing certain things, but I am not sure.

I know exactly what you are talking about. :) It still happens to me a lot. I have always kept a list of goals, in my journals. So that when I find myself conscious and aware, while out of body,,, I will not waste time playing, (putting my hands through walls,,, flying,,, etc.) and I will concentrate on a task. It helps to keep the experienced focused to our understanding of it. Any OBE, Astral projection, Lucid dream, or dream,,, will eventually move into a complete non-linear mode of expression,, meaning that it will be difficult to remember it when we 'get back'.

The thing is,,, is that there is always an OBE in progress,,, kinda hard to explain. There are different aspects of self operating at all times. Here in the physical, we do not understand completely what the hell is going on. Do NOT be surprised to find yourself awake and conscious, and in and unfamiliar place. Just try and go with the flow... I woke up once to find myself awake and aware, and in an unfamiliar place,,, This entire earth//human existence, is waking into an unfamiliar place. :):):)[COLOR="red"]

I am pretty good with moving around my house and I used to not be able to see my body lying in the bed, but now I can turn around and see myself and I always get a kick out of it and try to touch myself or I try to look at my hand see if it is translucent, which it always is. Last time I actually went outside my house and up the street. That worked out pretty good, but when I tried to project myself to the Great Pyramid, I think I ended up flying over London. I've never been to either place before. I ended up frustrated and projected myself back to my body. I guess I just need more practice. :) I better stick with mastering traveling around my town before I travel to another country. I also can't see people. I can hear sounds and voices, but I can never see who it is. That always annoys me too.

[Jake]

[QUOTE=Nyce555;276433]Thanks Jake! I am still learning a lot about myself during Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming. There are so many things I want to do while I am out of body, but sometimes I am blocked from seeing things and I try to use my consciousness to project myself to a specific location and I end up somewhere else. It is weird. I always wake up excited, but disappointed that I did not get to go to the place I wanted to go. Do you know what might be causeing this? I attributed it to an internal fear maybe holding me back from seeing certain things, but I am not sure.

I know exactly what you are talking about. :) It still happens to me a lot. I have always kept a list of goals, in my journals. So that when I find myself conscious and aware, while out of body,,, I will not waste time playing, (putting my hands through walls,,, flying,,, etc.) and I will concentrate on a task. It helps to keep the experienced focused to our understanding of it. Any OBE, Astral projection, Lucid dream, or dream,,, will eventually move into a complete non-linear mode of expression,, meaning that it will be difficult to remember it when we 'get back'.

The thing is,,, is that there is always an OBE in progress,,, kinda hard to explain. There are different aspects of self operating at all times. Here in the physical, we do not understand completely what the hell is going on. Do NOT be surprised to find yourself awake and conscious, and in and unfamiliar place. Just try and go with the flow... I woke up once to find myself awake and aware, and in an unfamiliar place,,, This entire earth//human existence, is waking into an unfamiliar place. :):):)[COLOR="red"]

I am pretty good with moving around my house and I used to not be able to see my body lying in the bed, but now I can turn around and see myself and I always get a kick out of it and try to touch myself or I try to look at my hand see if it is translucent, which it always is. Last time I actually went outside my house and up the street. That worked out pretty good, but when I tried to project myself to the Great Pyramid, I think I ended up flying over London. I've never been to either place before. I ended up frustrated and projected myself back to my body. I guess I just need more practice. :) I better stick with mastering traveling around my town before I travel to another country. I also can't see people. I can hear sounds and voices, but I can never see who it is. That always annoys me too.

It is good that you do not have problems with moving about,,, believe me, many folks (including myself) have had major problems with this. Looking at your hands (while out of body) and observing your astral body,, always brings more lucidity to the experience.

It took me a llllllloooooonnnnng time before I was able to visit the pyramids... I will say this.. Be careful what you ask for. you just may get it. :)

There are no limits to the travels we can pull off during OBE. Do not be surprised to find yourself in a strange place,,, chances are,,, YOU are already there. ;)

[Jake]

OK.. the video is up. Please enjoy!! I love you all. Jake.

[seehas]

great, thx for it, its bookmarked and on my towatch list :)


maybe we know us from the rooftops allready, these days it seems i spend more time in the astralplane then in real life.

[christian]

The video is extraordinary well done, explaining how astral projection is an ability that is perfectly natural for everyone, because we are more than a physical body.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGanBxNpDes

[WhiteFeather]

Jake/Chiquetet, awesome video bro thanks. All key speakers in that one.

[Limor Wolf]

I used to fly over the roofs and up to te sky over buildings,free as a bird while my mind directed me. When I woke up in the morning in my bed I felt exhilarated but sad.
It was the best feeling and it was the hardest,to be chained again to the heaviness of my body.
now I wonder if these were OBE experiences?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5cS39JdvqXk/S6wxJZ0cPvI/AAAAAAAAAC0/s5vf0Q1f8Ak/s1600/lucid-dream-flying.jpg

I learn a lot from you Jake on this subject.

Thanks for the video,it was varied and focused.

"One certainly has a soul; but how it came to allow itself to be enclosed in a body is more than I can imagine. I only know if once mine gets out, I'll have a bit of a tussle before I let it get in again to that of any other." ~ Lord Byron

[TraineeHuman]

Out of the body projection is something I believe everybody should learn at some stage. I first learned it over thirty years ago. Initially you struggle so very hard to “take off” and you’ll only experience a few seconds or so where you manage to defy gravity, so to speak. But just keep on practising, and practising, and soon enough you’ll really and truly wake up in the middle of a dream and discover you’re a mile or two above the surface of the earth in dark sky with no parachute. You’ll immediately think “I’ll crash into the earth”, and what you focus on, that’s exactly where you go, stat. So you prepare to die in the crash, but two seconds later you find you don’t die and so you do a U-turn from just beneath the earth’s surface, and now you can fly. That sensation of flying is quite a thrill. It’s not just flying, but highly joyful compared to the unhappy state most of us are conditioned to believe is our natural one. That’s one use of OBEs: they prove to you that your natural inner state is a state of feeling very, very good. And they keep proving that to you – which for some reason we keep on forgetting while we go about our business in this vale of sorrows.

I eventually found that it was more useful and beneficial – and natural -- to learn to travel in higher and higher dimensions, but that was all, in some sense, still a form of “flying”, or so it feels. (Not advisable if you are in public or in a moving vehicle.) The only difference is, you only need to go “up” a few dimensions and you no longer have a body, not even a subtle body (or not even a “soul”, I guess). Eventually I found the travel pretty much loses its novelty value. Instead, it’s a bit like driving or train travel: it’s just a means to an end, and the important action or information is at the destination, not in the trip.

[Carmen]

Thanks Jake. Utube only goes so far for me now and stops!!! Ahhh! Have read all the written material on your site and have downloaded the book. OOB fascinates me. I remember doing it as a kid, but would now like to do it again, consciously!

[manny]

ok Jake i,ve had a few experiences,but only in dreamstate.
about 2 years ago i went what i call the spinning motion.
i would be curled up in the featus position.in bed.i would start spinning slowly ,then going faster and faster.
i had no control over it.i ended up spinng on the ceiling spinning.until i found the window and flew out.
still i had no control over the flight.
i have never looked down at my self on my own body.

one other is that a friend of mine moved away.we were not in contact for about five years.
i had a dream where i flew to his new home and flew across a field,then hovered in front of his window.i was on a large field looking in.

a few month later i went up to his house.when i looked out onto the field,guess what it all came back.i had been there before,.
i told him the story and he believes me.

got a question.i only remember astral projection in the dreamstate.
i do,nt understand why the waking mind cannot experience this.
thanks

ps.or is it only a dsream about flying?

[Nervana]

I had an out of body experience when I was about 13 yrs old. I was sitting on a bed next to my boyfriend and two other people. In an instant I felt my back hit the ceiling and I remember looking down at everyone from above. This lasted for only a few seconds it seems, and I returned back. It was scary, because I was so young and did not understand what happened. I told my boyfriend what happened and asked him what was I doing at the time and all I remember him telling me was that I was looking off into space. That was over 37 years ago and I can still remember it so clearly. This has not happened again since. I wish I could do it again.

[christian]

I had a spontaneous remote viewing experience, when I was in Germany contemplating about where I would go in Mongolia (where I was about to go), when there would be a serious issue concerning earth changes and all that, I instantly saw a cave and its location seen from a village that I already knew. When I went there, I found the cave and most of the villagers didn't even know, that there was one.

I don't really go into this, though, I feel content, I got what I need, I'm guided and protected and with spiritual development come feats like OBEs and remote viewing eventually as a byproduct, I figure.

Jake, I'm enjoying your book, haven't finished it yet, I found something very amusing:

I'm very sensitive to the movement of subtle energies in and around my body. Slight movement or vibrations will get my attention every time! (Standing in front of an elevator freaks me out.)

[Realeyes]

Hi Jake,
Fantastic thread! Thank you for sharing your wisdoms - brilliant!

I too have had natural OBE's since a child. In 2001 I read William Bulhman's book 'Adventures Beyond the Body', that not only covers how to induce an OBE, he includes the quantum sciences to explain the process - I then became totally smitten in controlling my own OBE's - What an adventure! This entire World would be such a different place if everyone was consciously aware of who they are beyond the physical body; religions, governments, wars etc would all cease. Life has never been the same since for me - wonder is all around me! One realises instantly death is a fear based illusion - it is all Life, Life, Life expressions, flowing into new experiences and dimensions of awareness. I am now working on being conscious in all the dimensions, parallels etc, I go to throughout my sleep time and bringing those memories back here into my physical - my Soul is a very busy spirit I am discovering. It is so great to be alive!

[Jake]

I used to fly over the roofs and up to te sky over buildings,free as a bird while my mind directed me. When I woke up in the morning in my bed I felt exhilarated but sad.
It was the best feeling and it was the hardest,to be chained again to the heaviness of my body.
now I wonder if these were OBE experiences?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5cS39JdvqXk/S6wxJZ0cPvI/AAAAAAAAAC0/s5vf0Q1f8Ak/s1600/lucid-dream-flying.jpg

I learn a lot from you Jake on this subject.

Thanks for the video,it was varied and focused.

"One certainly has a soul; but how it came to allow itself to be enclosed in a body is more than I can imagine. I only know if once mine gets out, I'll have a bit of a tussle before I let it get in again to that of any other." ~ Lord Byron

Thank you, Limor. You are amazing. I have no doubts that you were/are having OBEs. I contend that many flying dreams are OBEs that we are remembering via the dream-states. There is a level of freedom to traveling outside of our bodies that is not matched with another experience, that I know of. I have to agree with Robert Monroe on this one. Just because one does not remember having an OBE,, it doesn't mean that one did not occur. :) I have always said that recurring flying dreams are indicative of OBEs. I love saying this,,, Limor "Welcome to Flight School!"


TraineeHuman Re: The Out of Body Experience
Out of the body projection is something I believe everybody should learn at some stage. I first learned it over thirty years ago. Initially you struggle so very hard to “take off” and you’ll only experience a few seconds or so where you manage to defy gravity, so to speak. But just keep on practising, and practising, and soon enough you’ll really and truly wake up in the middle of a dream and discover you’re a mile or two above the surface of the earth in dark sky with no parachute. You’ll immediately think “I’ll crash into the earth”, and what you focus on, that’s exactly where you go, stat. So you prepare to die in the crash, but two seconds later you find you don’t die and so you do a U-turn from just beneath the earth’s surface, and now you can fly. That sensation of flying is quite a thrill. It’s not just flying, but highly joyful compared to the unhappy state most of us are conditioned to believe is our natural one. That’s one use of OBEs: they prove to you that your natural inner state is a state of feeling very, very good. And they keep proving that to you – which for some reason we keep on forgetting while we go about our business in this vale of sorrows.

I eventually found that it was more useful and beneficial – and natural -- to learn to travel in higher and higher dimensions, but that was all, in some sense, still a form of “flying”, or so it feels. (Not advisable if you are in public or in a moving vehicle.) The only difference is, you only need to go “up” a few dimensions and you no longer have a body, not even a subtle body (or not even a “soul”, I guess). Eventually I found the travel pretty much loses its novelty value. Instead, it’s a bit like driving or train travel: it’s just a means to an end, and the important action or information is at the destination, not in the trip.


Hello, TranieeHuman. I could not have said it better myself, thank you. So, you are one too... ;) The human experience, rarely leads us to a place of pure joy and freedom. The fully conscious OBE demonstrates that joy and freedom and love ARE the most natural of human states. Everyone should endeavor to learn to project beyond their physical bodies. (There is a prize on the other side,,, hehe!)

The different level of the Astral require different 'bodies' to navigate. Physical body/etheric body/ light body/ NO body,, etc,,,, It is all a construct, anyways. Our bodies adjust to the density of the locale that we find ourselves in. I try not to think about it too much anymore. This physical world is, simply, dense astral. We have 'projected' ourselves into this one too!!

Thank you for sharing your knowledge regarding OBE. I have always said,,, one or two fully conscious OBEs, and you take back your power while at the same time, awakening into a new paradigm. And you do it by yourself, no government, no religion, no science to pretend that you need them. What a wonderful time to be alive. Jake.


Carmen
Re: The Out of Body Experience
Thanks Jake. Utube only goes so far for me now and stops!!! Ahhh! Have read all the written material on your site and have downloaded the book. OOB fascinates me. I remember doing it as a kid, but would now like to do it again, consciously!



Thank you, Carmen. I have no doubts that you remember doing it as a kid. I have no doubts that you are having OBEs when you sleep. (We all do,,) I have not written a 'how to' book yet. I have always had better luck with inspiring folks to remember their own! And it will happen naturally from there. We can read all of the 'how to' books in the world, eventually, it comes down to a decision, and a burning desire to remember and experience the OBE.


manny

Re: The Out of Body Experience
ok Jake i,ve had a few experiences,but only in dreamstate.
about 2 years ago i went what i call the spinning motion.
i would be curled up in the featus position.in bed.i would start spinning slowly ,then going faster and faster.
i had no control over it.i ended up spinng on the ceiling spinning.until i found the window and flew out.
still i had no control over the flight.
i have never looked down at my self on my own body.

one other is that a friend of mine moved away.we were not in contact for about five years.
i had a dream where i flew to his new home and flew across a field,then hovered in front of his window.i was on a large field looking in.

a few month later i went up to his house.when i looked out onto the field,guess what it all came back.i had been there before,.
i told him the story and he believes me.

got a question.i only remember astral projection in the dreamstate.
i do,nt understand why the waking mind cannot experience this.
thanks

ps.or is it only a dsream about flying?



Hello, Manny. Thank you for sharing. This is, by far, the most confusing aspect of Astral Projection. I have many dreams about flying, and energy, and telekinesis, and other astral abilities. I also have fully conscious, etheric projection. I also have everyday, ho-hum, normal dreams. I have always said that flying dreams, especially recurring flying dreams, are OBEs that we are remembering as dreams. Let me explain why I am sure that is the case.

(Bear with me on this.)

There are different aspects of self that are operating simultaneously on different levels. We are only aware of them operating one at a time. First, we have our waking minds. That is our physical awake, linear minds that we are privy to while we walk through our everyday lives. Next, there is the dreaming mind. That is, of course, the mind that we 'phase' into when we dream. It is always active and dreaming, we are only aware of it when we sleep. Then, there is the Projected self. Believe it or not, there is an aspect of us that is projected at all times. We can 'phase' or focus, back and forth between waking mind, dreaming mind, and projected mind. Most people are never aware of their projected self because the do not remember. You have to keep in mind here that there are folks who do not remember their dreams!!!

There is a sort of 'battle' going on between these different aspects of self. That battle has to do with what will be remembered by our physical waking minds. We can only remember one at a time. Our little brains cannot, or will not, interpret information from three different reference points, just one. So, while you are lying there going to bed, your waking mind is drifting off, your dreaming mind is already active and alive, and your projected double is out and about. When you wake up, (notice sometime) your mind 'phases' back into the physical waking mind, and you cannot remember clearly what you were 'dreaming'. Your 'dream' is still in progress.
OBE memory is much more fickle. Impossible to remember, almost. Because there is a struggle between your dreaming and waking minds, already. You can only download one set of memories for any given time period. There are sometimes brief episodes of bi-location, but mostly, our waking minds only allow us one set of memories for our sleeping periods.
That is why is will seem so damn convoluted. "Was it a dream? Was it an OBE? It seemed like a dream! But it was REAL, like and OBE! It must have been a dream!" That is our mind trying to make sense of it. You see? It is ALL a projection. Even our waking, physical realities,,, a projection. :)

Meditating and clearing our minds, is the best way to get the most out of the times when our minds are struggling to interpret events that are happening simultaneously.

I probably confused the hell out of everyone. Sorry. Robert Bruce explains it better than me. He calls it the 'mind split effect'.
http://www.astraldynamics.com/home/astral-projection-training/treatise-on-astral-projection/67-part-7.html
Somewhere up there,, is our Higher Self,, that is in control of it all.




Nervana

Re: The Out of Body Experience
I had an out of body experience when I was about 13 yrs old. I was sitting on a bed next to my boyfriend and two other people. In an instant I felt my back hit the ceiling and I remember looking down at everyone from above. This lasted for only a few seconds it seems, and I returned back. It was scary, because I was so young and did not understand what happened. I told my boyfriend what happened and asked him what was I doing at the time and all I remember him telling me was that I was looking off into space. That was over 37 years ago and I can still remember it so clearly. This has not happened again since. I wish I could do it again.



Awesome, thanks for sharing. That is much like my first fully conscious OBE. I was laying on the couch and got up and started walking around and such, before I started floating to the ceiling. It was as real as this world is. Amazing. Thanks. Jake.


chiquetet

Re: The Out of Body Experience
I had a spontaneous remote viewing experience, when I was in Germany contemplating about where I would go in Mongolia (where I was about to go), when there would be a serious issue concerning earth changes and all that, I instantly saw a cave and its location seen from a village that I already knew. When I went there, I found the cave and most of the villagers didn't even know, that there was one.

I don't really go into this, though, I feel content, I got what I need, I'm guided and protected and with spiritual development come feats like OBEs and remote viewing eventually as a byproduct, I figure.

Jake, I'm enjoying your book, haven't finished it yet, I found something very amusing:

I'm very sensitive to the movement of subtle energies in and around my body. Slight movement or vibrations will get my attention every time! (Standing in front of an elevator freaks me out.)



Ha! you caught that, huh? It really does freak me out! :)

Thank you for taking the time to read mee book! You know, Remote Viewing is much like OBE. Of course you are not in an 'etheric' sort of body, like in OBE, But the same mechanics apply. IMHO. It is more of a 'mental projection'. I have done that on rare occasion too. I am glad to hear that you went to the cave and found it! Verification is VERY empowering. ;) KNOWING that we are more than our human bodies is a big step. :)


Realeyes

Re: The Out of Body Experience
Hi Jake,
Fantastic thread! Thank you for sharing your wisdoms - brilliant!

I too have had natural OBE's since a child. In 2001 I read William Bulhman's book 'Adventures Beyond the Body', that not only covers how to induce an OBE, he includes the quantum sciences to explain the process - I then became totally smitten in controlling my own OBE's - What an adventure! This entire World would be such a different place if everyone was consciously aware of who they are beyond the physical body; religions, governments, wars etc would all cease. Life has never been the same since for me - wonder is all around me! One realises instantly death is a fear based illusion - it is all Life, Life, Life expressions, flowing into new experiences and dimensions of awareness. I am now working on being conscious in all the dimensions, parallels etc, I go to throughout my sleep time and bringing those memories back here into my physical - my Soul is a very busy spirit I am discovering. It is so great to be alive!



YES!!!!!!! My sentiments exactly. If we were ALL having OBEs this world is a much better place. We can start now, even. If we were all to spend a couple of hours TONIGHT, out of our bodies,,, then, TOMORROW is a much different day!!! Belief systems can, and will be shattered. This is the basis of my concept of a new revolution. We take back our power by waking up and realizing who the hell we really are!! Everything would change! You are exactly right. Thank you soooooo much for posting. Jake.

[Jake]

I found one of some guy in glasses and a robe (;)) talking about Astral Projection...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA0n2bEnaN8&feature=player_embedded

[Jake]

A little less known author and speaker. This man is the real deal. Jurgen Ziewe can explain astral projection and the higher realms with perfect clarity.


About meditation
Meeting your “Higher Self”
About consensus realities
OB travelers and permanent residents
OBE and psychic powers


http://vimeo.com/19830435

http://vimeo.com/19833810

http://vimeo.com/20134902

[Jake]

I cannot leave out OBE legend Robert Bruce. Robert is a friend of mine, and is more of an energy worker/healer these days,,, but The OBE has been a big part of it. Robert is the real deal too.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjos2-Acbw4&feature=BFa&list=PL0F7EFEB09634D990&index=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRZBZLTNlow&feature=BFa&list=PL0F7EFEB09634D990&index=2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B03QqoY78yo&feature=BFa&list=PL0F7EFEB09634D990&index=3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo-Txpd11Qw&feature=BFa&list=PL0F7EFEB09634D990&index=4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9rIDtcswjQ&feature=BFa&list=PL0F7EFEB09634D990&index=5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lpDaQMEdU8&feature=BFa&list=PL0F7EFEB09634D990&index=6

[Marsila]

Just finished reading the book, and have to say, well researched, easy to read, and your recounting of your own experience is so genuine! you make good points a long the way to. Thanks for taking the time to write it!

like you the first OBE were scary but not as scary as they were for you, as they weren't so clear to me, and i would get curious to that repetitive "anti-gravity" feeling inside of me (i did not know how else to describe that feeling in which the 'me' in this body was trying to get out and just float up) and didn't mind if it did not happen to often, such it seemed to happen in between being awake and sleeping but never during either. now it happens more often and im happy it does.

again great book because of the research, your own experience and well detailed journal and the glossary at the end, all put together in a real enjoyable way : )

[Jake]

Just finished reading the book, and have to say, well researched, easy to read, and your recounting of your own experience is so genuine! you make good points a long the way to. Thanks for taking the time to write it!

like you the first OBE were scary but not as scary as they were for you, as they weren't so clear to me, and i would get curious to that repetitive "anti-gravity" feeling inside of me (i did not know how else to describe that feeling in which the 'me' in this body was trying to get out and just float up) and didn't mind if it did not happen to often, such it seemed to happen in between being awake and sleeping but never during either. now it happens more often and im happy it does.

again great book because of the research, your own experience and well detailed journal and the glossary at the end, all put together in a real enjoyable way : )

Marsila, Thank you for taking the time to read my book. And thank you for your kind and supportive words. I do still get great fear when Out of Body. Not everytime, but sometimes. Many folks endeavor to rid themselves of fear altogether. My fear/panic reflex is alive and well. That is Okay.. The wonderful/amazing/profound experiences out weigh,,, by far,,, the negative experiences.

I wouldn't change a thing. I take for granted sometimes that folks do NOT have this experience. I am truly greatful. jake.

[Bridey]

Thank-you for these videos, can't wait to watch them.

Always wanted to know about my dreams but never really looked into too much. I lucid dream, astral projected only once and even tried remote viewing in my dreams. I have had OBE's two times to get away from gargoyle type creatures. Something that has just started happening to me is dreaming within a dream, being lucid, waking myself up but still being in my dream. I have dreamed on three levels now. Its very strange. I just kinda go with the flow.
One thing that does happen that I am confused about and I haven't been able to find information on it is.......when I close my eyes to go to sleep. I can fall asleep very very quickly. Less than a minute most nights. I just relax myself and look at the pictures behind my eyes. Sometimes its just shapes and colours but other times, its like I'm watching flip-art on a computer. Very detailed pictures of landscapes and faces, morphing into other faces. I'm lucid but very very relaxed. I ask friends or family if they have experienced this and they haven't. The pictures are so vivid and in colour most times. I'm not imagining the pictures....the pictures come to me. I just watch it like a movie. Has anyone ever had this before?

Thanks again for this great thread Jake and I look forward to the vids....

[Jake]

Thank-you for these videos, can't wait to watch them.

Always wanted to know about my dreams but never really looked into too much. I lucid dream, astral projected only once and even tried remote viewing in my dreams. I have had OBE's two times to get away from gargoyle type creatures. Something that has just started happening to me is dreaming within a dream, being lucid, waking myself up but still being in my dream. I have dreamed on three levels now. Its very strange. I just kinda go with the flow.
One thing that does happen that I am confused about and I haven't been able to find information on it is.......when I close my eyes to go to sleep. I can fall asleep very very quickly. Less than a minute most nights. I just relax myself and look at the pictures behind my eyes. Sometimes its just shapes and colours but other times, its like I'm watching flip-art on a computer. Very detailed pictures of landscapes and faces, morphing into other faces. I'm lucid but very very relaxed. I ask friends or family if they have experienced this and they haven't. The pictures are so vivid and in colour most times. I'm not imagining the pictures....the pictures come to me. I just watch it like a movie. Has anyone ever had this before?

Thanks again for this great thread Jake and I look forward to the vids....


Always wanted to know about my dreams but never really looked into too much. I lucid dream, astral projected only once and even tried remote viewing in my dreams. I have had OBE's two times to get away from gargoyle type creatures.

Hello, Bridey. Having one ore two (or more) memories of OBEs will help a lot with having future OBEs. You kind of have a 'foot in the door' there. Most people DO! It is just that they have dismissed it. I have witnessed people deny experiences and find away to argue them away. HA! :) Dream memory and OBE memory are damn strange.


Something that has just started happening to me is dreaming within a dream, being lucid, waking myself up but still being in my dream. I have dreamed on three levels now. Its very strange. I just kinda go with the flow.

Be careful with that one! I have had this discussion with Robert Bruce, and he has had the same type of profound dreaming experience. Your instincts are correct, best just to go with the flow. I had a dreaming experience that went on and on and on and on like that. It was cool at first, but then it got quite uncomfortable, NOT knowing wether I was dreaming or not. I did not know if I was dreaming or not,,,, and much of my days, even still, have this strange overview to it.!! Can you tell me for sure that you are not dreaming,,, right now? It is impossible for me. I believe THIS world to be 'dense astral', and just another created construct,, ie,,, a dream. Robert has had this same experience and it has had a profound impact on him as well.


One thing that does happen that I am confused about and I haven't been able to find information on it is.......when I close my eyes to go to sleep. I can fall asleep very very quickly. Less than a minute most nights. I just relax myself and look at the pictures behind my eyes. Sometimes its just shapes and colours but other times, its like I'm watching flip-art on a computer. Very detailed pictures of landscapes and faces, morphing into other faces. I'm lucid but very very relaxed. I ask friends or family if they have experienced this and they haven't. The pictures are so vivid and in colour most times. I'm not imagining the pictures....the pictures come to me. I just watch it like a movie. Has anyone ever had this before?

Oh, my goodness, yes. Do not lose the ability to do that. It is awesome! It shows a natural ability to be aware of creativity,,, And, it shows that you have a robust brow center. I don't know how much folks believe in the energy body and the chakra systems,,, but it becomes central in OBE work, at least from my school of thought. I stopped doing that long ago and it went away for a long time. Incedently, I started having loss of vision while out of body during that time period too. It is all connected.

I believe that awareness of physical reality is only about 1% of our total awareness capabilities. We are starting to wake up into a new reality,, and I am excited as hell. Cheers, Jake.

[Carmody]

Some of you folks reading the thread may have noted Rocky Shorz and I speaking on a similar subject, in another thread... as in what exactly are we DOING while OBE? Or... what are we recalling that our 'more full' self is doing while 'out there'?

Some of you may also recall or know of a comment by me, from ulli's thread on astrology. I make mention of the point that some of us are doing 'double duty'. What I meant by that is that we are incarnating while still doing work on and in the earth astral plane, while incarnated. Work that is separate, in some ways, from what we are doing while living the 'incarnated dream'.

Yes, this so called wakeful state is less complete than the higher self. ie, the you reading this is (generally) far more incomplete than the self that can fly or be OBE. This world is the dreamstate. The other is the reality.

However, THIS world (the you reading this now) belongs to THIS dreamstate, as 'amusement parks'/schools go, so it takes priority, to some extent. Meaning it is allowed a position of importance in the hierarchy of reality or awareness levels/systems.

[TraineeHuman]

I absolutely loved Jurgen Ziewe's videos. That's not just because it's all 100% based on his own direct experiences. One thing he makes very clear is that OOBEs aren't some gimmicky thrill ride. Rather, they are key to getting yourself out of the confusion most people experience after they die. They are key to understanding the whole world of the afterlife, which we will all find ourselves living in sooner or later.

One example was his comment that many dead people don't know or accept that they're dead. We don't realise that it's almost as hard for dead individuals to see us as it is for us to see them, and so many of them initially can't work out what's reality and what isn't. I've had the experience of encountering thousands of dead people who were totally confused, or fearful, and waiting, sometimes for decades, for someone to come along and point them in which direction it was best or good for them to go.

[Carmody]

another potential clue, a reading into potentials in the mechanics of the thing.... rears it's head.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?27141-Science-finds-an-anti-proton-ring-around-the-Earth

[Bollinger]

Without wishing to belittle or diminish in any way the phenomenon of "Out of Body Experience", could I please ask those who have had this experience and therefore can speak with authority on its veracity, one or two questions?

As we all know, the idea of the dualistic nature of human existence (i.e. body and soul) is nothing new and has probably been with us ever since mankind was able think. However, there are some undeniable realities that do not sit well with this phenomenon and I would like to draw from forum members, if I may, an explanation for these via some questions that I have formulated below.

There has been more than a suggestion that we come to this world in order to do "work" of some kind and perhaps even return again and again until that work is complete. I appreciate that we may not know or understand the ultimate purpose of that work or that we have been pre-initialised to forget what it was, it is sufficient only that we assume it has a "higher" purpose in order to proceed with the first question.

Q1. What possible purpose can we attach to the brief life of a child born fatally deformed or diseased or who dies within minutes of birth or in its mother’s womb?

I have also seen it written on this forum and served up in endless YouTube videos that some people are able to remove themselves from their bodies and visit other planes simply by the power of thought. You will appreciate that there are many fraudsters who claim many things for all sorts of reasons and I have no intention of accusing anyone here of that but it does prompt a question.

Q2. Why is it that while almost everyone on this planet (myself included) will confess and confirm without question or doubt to the existence and experience of dreaming in one’s sleep, only a very tiny few will take it any further and claim they were able to do it at will or otherwise, and call it astral projection? Should we not all be able to do this as easily as it is sometimes claimed it can be done? If not, why not?

As with any mystical experience, it is impossible to verify until and unless it happens to one personally. No amount of videos, books, articles or interviews is ever going to be sufficient when we are asked to make a serious investment in something that only has behind it "words" for evidence. Approaching this from another angle, it is entirely understandable that people will be taken in by such things simply because it provides ultimate hope and an alternative to a world that for the most part offers little more than drudgery and pain. This prompts question three.

Q3. If, as it is claimed, the astral body is happier, freer and more content when separated from the physical body and by all accounts it has the will to do whatever it likes, why does it bother to return? If it doesn’t return by its own volition, who or what forces it back?

There is also a noticeable lacking in people’s anecdotes about what they see, hear or experience when they are out of their bodies. When people dream they can often describe in a lot of detail what they saw, heard, ate and so on. However, we don’t appear to get the same degree of granularity when talking about out of body experiences. I don’t mean the usual "seeing yourself lying in bed" or "going up to space and meeting up with UFOs" because all those things are not beyond us to imagine for ourselves. I mean something that is unusual or sufficiently detailed, plausible but never claimed by anyone else before. The physiological reasons and explanations for dreaming have, let’s say, been studied and documented over many centuries now, so here is my fourth question.

Q4. Why can we not simply assume that these out of body experiences are just ordinary dreams? Is the mind not free to dream about anything it likes; whether it be flying, sitting on the toilet or having an astral projection?

Also, there is the element of the wish being father to the thought. If you so badly want to experience astral projection, you probably will. As we all know, the human mind is no stranger to illusion, self-deception and the ability to manufacture realities with which other people will readily identify. It is done in cheap theatre shows and even in the streets for the purpose of entertainment. If a magician or illusionist can deceive us so cleverly and easily, is it not even more likely that we are simply deceiving ourselves and others as well?

[Jake]

Without wishing to belittle or diminish in any way the phenomenon of "Out of Body Experience", could I please ask those who have had this experience and therefore can speak with authority on its veracity, one or two questions?

As we all know, the idea of the dualistic nature of human existence (i.e. body and soul) is nothing new and has probably been with us ever since mankind was able think. However, there are some undeniable realities that do not sit well with this phenomenon and I would like to draw from forum members, if I may, an explanation for these via some questions that I have formulated below.

There has been more than a suggestion that we come to this world in order to do "work" of some kind and perhaps even return again and again until that work is complete. I appreciate that we may not know or understand the ultimate purpose of that work or that we have been pre-initialised to forget what it was, it is sufficient only that we assume it has a "higher" purpose in order to proceed with the first question.

Q1. What possible purpose can we attach to the brief life of a child born fatally deformed or diseased or who dies within minutes of birth or in its mother’s womb?

I have also seen it written on this forum and served up in endless YouTube videos that some people are able to remove themselves from their bodies and visit other planes simply by the power of thought. You will appreciate that there are many fraudsters who claim many things for all sorts of reasons and I have no intention of accusing anyone here of that but it does prompt a question.

Q2. Why is it that while almost everyone on this planet (myself included) will confess and confirm without question or doubt to the existence and experience of dreaming in one’s sleep, only a very tiny few will take it any further and claim they were able to do it at will or otherwise, and call it astral projection? Should we not all be able to do this as easily as it is sometimes claimed it can be done? If not, why not?

As with any mystical experience, it is impossible to verify until and unless it happens to one personally. No amount of videos, books, articles or interviews is ever going to be sufficient when we are asked to make a serious investment in something that only has behind it "words" for evidence. Approaching this from another angle, it is entirely understandable that people will be taken in by such things simply because it provides ultimate hope and an alternative to a world that for the most part offers little more than drudgery and pain. This prompts question three.

Q3. If, as it is claimed, the astral body is happier, freer and more content when separated from the physical body and by all accounts it has the will to do whatever it likes, why does it bother to return? If it doesn’t return by its own volition, who or what forces it back?

There is also a noticeable lacking in people’s anecdotes about what they see, hear or experience when they are out of their bodies. When people dream they can often describe in a lot of detail what they saw, heard, ate and so on. However, we don’t appear to get the same degree of granularity when talking about out of body experiences. I don’t mean the usual "seeing yourself lying in bed" or "going up to space and meeting up with UFOs" because all those things are not beyond us to imagine for ourselves. I mean something that is unusual or sufficiently detailed, plausible but never claimed by anyone else before. The physiological reasons and explanations for dreaming have, let’s say, been studied and documented over many centuries now, so here is my fourth question.

Q4. Why can we not simply assume that these out of body experiences are just ordinary dreams? Is the mind not free to dream about anything it likes; whether it be flying, sitting on the toilet or having an astral projection?

Also, there is the element of the wish being father to the thought. If you so badly want to experience astral projection, you probably will. As we all know, the human mind is no stranger to illusion, self-deception and the ability to manufacture realities with which other people will readily identify. It is done in cheap theatre shows and even in the streets for the purpose of entertainment. If a magician or illusionist can deceive us so cleverly and easily, is it not even more likely that we are simply deceiving ourselves and others as well?

I completely love that you are being honest and passionate. And, you are right, the implications of what folks are saying about OBE are staggering. I appreciate your questions, and shall do my best to answer them.


Q1. What possible purpose can we attach to the brief life of a child born fatally deformed or diseased or who dies within minutes of birth or in its mother’s womb?


I could spend all day here talking about reincarnation and/or Karma. I will not do that. I believe that the nature of our existence has more to do with 'creation and experience'. Our primary 'mission' here is to experience. Period! We create and experience. Admittedly, We have gone off track quite a bit, and the quality of experience has been perverted. The dualistic nature of reality is as much a matter of perception today, as it was thousands of years ago. Those who create something very special will live in torment without being able to experience what they created. That is why we are here, to EXPERIENCE what has been created. And maybe bring back the experience to 'source' or 'god' of whatever amazing power that eminates this vast field of consciousness that we are a part of. The pain of a mother who loses a child like that, MUST be experienced by that person, or it wouldn't happen like that. The story is NOT over, just because of great pain and suffering.


Q2. Why is it that while almost everyone on this planet (myself included) will confess and confirm without question or doubt to the existence and experience of dreaming in one’s sleep, only a very tiny few will take it any further and claim they were able to do it at will or otherwise, and call it astral projection? Should we not all be able to do this as easily as it is sometimes claimed it can be done? If not, why not?

As for the first part of your question,,, Simply put, not that many people are remembering their experiences. :) You think YOU are confused about that... Here I am with thousands of memories of fully conscious OBEs,,, and I hardly ever meet someone who remembers more than one, or two. Let me flip it on you, and ask,,, why are you NOT having OBEs? It is speculated that there was a time in human evolution when we did not see color. As we evolved as a race, we began to see in color. Can you imagine the first humans that were effected, trying to explain what it was that they were seeing? What about before people started dreaming. Can you imagine how that must have been for the first people who dreamed?? How do they explain it to everyone else??? I believe that is what is happening with OBE and awareness of Astral states and the higher self. Everyone DOES project when they sleep, they are not yet aware of it. Key word,,, YET.


Q3. If, as it is claimed, the astral body is happier, freer and more content when separated from the physical body and by all accounts it has the will to do whatever it likes, why does it bother to return? If it doesn’t return by its own volition, who or what forces it back?

The astral states are a POINT OF VIEW, just like the physical waking states. They are both constructs of a much higher point of awareness and consciousness. The same could be asked of why we came 'here' in the first place. Yes, we do have a HIGHER SELF. We, as a race, used to be much more in touch with our higher selves. Now, however, we have trouble even accepting the fact of HS existence. We are not FORCED back. We have made that decision on a much higher level. Part of the importance of studying OBE and Astral Projection is that a bond is established with HS, and a spiritual of the most profound sort, begins.


There is also a noticeable lacking in people’s anecdotes about what they see, hear or experience when they are out of their bodies.

I have done waaaaayyyyy too much research, and heard waaaaaaaaayyyyy to many accounts of peoples Astral Journeys to agree with that. It is just not true. :) There are volumes and volumes of material out there regarding peoples description of Astral Projection.


Q4. Why can we not simply assume that these out of body experiences are just ordinary dreams? Is the mind not free to dream about anything it likes; whether it be flying, sitting on the toilet or having an astral projection?

My friend, You can assume anything that you want to. I have ordinary dreams all the time. It is NOT the same thing. Not by a long shot. The OBE is real. It is not required that you believe me. Have you ever RRREEEAAAALLLLYYYY tried to astral project. Most people can do it if they take the time to 'set the stage'. ie,,, Meditation/trance work/energy work/energy body work, etc... GONE are the days where I struggle with Proving it to folks. ;) A single fully conscious OBE, and you will be able to answer these questions for yourself. You have some of the most AMAZING experiences ahead of you. :)


Also, there is the element of the wish being father to the thought. If you so badly want to experience astral projection, you probably will. As we all know, the human mind is no stranger to illusion, self-deception and the ability to manufacture realities with which other people will readily identify. It is done in cheap theatre shows and even in the streets for the purpose of entertainment. If a magician or illusionist can deceive us so cleverly and easily, is it not even more likely that we are simply deceiving ourselves and others as well?

There is the element of wishful thinking. There is also an abusive human construct that serves to deceive people into denying their potential. I never asked for this to happen to me. I can appreciate it now, but this experience plagued my life, and I hated it for many years. I went to doctors and did everything that I could to try and stop it. Eventually, I had to accept it as a part of my reality. I decided to embrace it one day, and my torment stopped, and a greater journey began. There is a story unfolding throughout the universe, and we are a part of it. I will scream it from the rooftops until my days here are up! And you are free to ignore me. It is NOT just a matter of human potential, it is a matter of mustering the courage to EMBRACE our experiences and unlock the potential that we all have.

I hope I answered you questions. I am no guru, but I do have experiences in these matters. Best regards, Jake.

[Jake]

Some of you folks reading the thread may have noted Rocky Shorz and I speaking on a similar subject, in another thread... as in what exactly are we DOING while OBE? Or... what are we recalling that our 'more full' self is doing while 'out there'?

Some of you may also recall or know of a comment by me, from ulli's thread on astrology. I make mention of the point that some of us are doing 'double duty'. What I meant by that is that we are incarnating while still doing work on and in the earth astral plane, while incarnated. Work that is separate, in some ways, from what we are doing while living the 'incarnated dream'.

Yes, this so called wakeful state is less complete than the higher self. ie, the you reading this is (generally) far more incomplete than the self that can fly or be OBE. This world is the dreamstate. The other is the reality.

However, THIS world (the you reading this now) belongs to THIS dreamstate, as 'amusement parks'/schools go, so it takes priority, to some extent. Meaning it is allowed a position of importance in the hierarchy of reality or awareness levels/systems.

Thank you, Carmody. That is right on track with what my experience provides for me as truth. My sister likes to use the phraze 'multi-dimensionally-tasking'. I love the 'amusement park' analogy. (I never seem to get on the kiddy rides,,, I always jump on the one that goes up and down and up and down and spins and does circles and makes you feel like you are going to throw up! :)) Jake.

[Bollinger]

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There are volumes and volumes of material out there regarding peoples description of Astral Projection.
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Jake,

I thank you for taking the time to address the issues I put before you in my last post and would like to say that there is sufficient evidence here for me to take your words at face value rather than assuming some ulterior motive that usually accompanies claims of this sort.

Your words were delivered without agitation and you did not launch into attack mode simply because your beliefs or experiences were challenged. The presence of anger is invariably the first sign of dishonesty.

Anyway, I would just like to respond to one of your answers. Where you say:


There are volumes and volumes of material out there regarding peoples description of Astral Projection

I do not dispute that. I was really more interested in the granularity of what is included in those descriptions. So far as I understand it, OBEs are much more real and go beyond even the most lucid dream experience. As such, it should be possible to describe in much more detail what is seen, heard, said and any other astral entities (human or otherwise) with which one comes into contact and detailed conversations or thoughts that are exchanged.

Forgive my incurable pragmatism but it shouldn’t be difficult to provide irrefutable evidence for these claims. Here is the experiment. As I understand it, when in astral-state, you can pretty much go anywhere and possibly see anything or anyone. If that is the case, all that needs to happen (while in astral state) is for you to present yourself at someone’s house, read what it says on a note on a desk and tell them what it said the next day. What would be fantastic is if you did it with someone that you do not know. I can volunteer myself if you like. Would you be willing to do this? If so, let me know and I’ll write the note, (no more than about 10 words in capitals) and place it on my desk. I would be astounded, staggered and will fully embrace the reality of OBEs, if you can tell me the next day on this thread what I wrote on that note.

Please do not think I am trying to discredit you, trick you or challenge you or anything like that. You have my respect from one human being to another and that will not change whatever you decide.

Bollinger

[phillipbbg]

Thanks for the book, am 1/3 through it and enjoying it very much... I have had OBE 's in my child hood and a few years ago the most brilliant series of them but nothing over the past few years, I put this down to being in the grip of working for the man...so to speak. Recently I have been pushing myself into very deep levels of meditation and an interesting effect that has started to occur is a vibration in my chest and then about 10 min later I have a discharge in my left leg, not painful just like a release of energy.... I had put it down to the energy in my body clearing blockages, hut having read your experiences with the vibrations I am thinking it may be something more.... I would love it to become an entry process to OBE's ... it may take me on a different journey than what I had expected, it always amazes me that you aim to work on a certain path , you ask for help and end up going in the most weird paths but as time unfolds you come to realise you have been lead to what you wanted, even if it is not quite as you thought it would be.....

Will try to read the rest today.. just a genuine thank you for the insight...

[Deedee]

After progressing from the Lucid Dream State I now experience Out of Body States. I have had many out of body experiences which are personal in nature to the individual so sharing these will perhaps have no relevance to those looking to understand. This is an "experience" but the key is in "remembering". I could share some of my experiences with those interested - out of curiosity. For now I share a William Buhlman video for all of you to enjoy!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf-vMPn5TKE
Debra

[Jake]

Forgive my incurable pragmatism but it shouldn’t be difficult to provide irrefutable evidence for these claims. Here is the experiment. As I understand it, when in astral-state, you can pretty much go anywhere and possibly see anything or anyone. If that is the case, all that needs to happen (while in astral state) is for you to present yourself at someone’s house, read what it says on a note on a desk and tell them what it said the next day. What would be fantastic is if you did it with someone that you do not know. I can volunteer myself if you like. Would you be willing to do this? If so, let me know and I’ll write the note, (no more than about 10 words in capitals) and place it on my desk. I would be astounded, staggered and will fully embrace the reality of OBEs, if you can tell me the next day on this thread what I wrote on that note.

Please do not think I am trying to discredit you, trick you or challenge you or anything like that. You have my respect from one human being to another and that will not change whatever you decide.

Bollinger

Ha! Be careful what you ask for. :) I have done a lot of experimenting! Here is the result of one experiment that I did with folks online. http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?5247-Your-Mission-is...&p=47895#post47895 Feel free to read the entire thread,,,. If you want to do some experimenting, then that is fine. Simply write the words on the paper and leave it alone. you can put it in your desk, folded, I do not care. I will need more than a day! I am not a friggin X-man! lol:) I appreciate you giving permission, as I will not have it any other way!

Here is another one of my favorite experiments that I was able to verify. http://thebookofjacob.webs.com/apps/blog/show/6889833-the-king-of-clubs

I will put it on the top of mee list!!! You have to give me some time. I will report my findings here in this thread. Jake.

[Jake]

I would be astounded, staggered and will fully embrace the reality of OBEs,

I will hold you to it! :):):)

[strevane]

I contend that many flying dreams are OBEs that we are remembering via the dream-states. There is a level of freedom to traveling outside of our bodies that is not matched with another experience, that I know of. I have to agree with Robert Monroe on this one. Just because one does not remember having an OBE,, it doesn't mean that one did not occur. :) I have always said that recurring flying dreams are indicative of OBEs.

Thanks so much for this thread. Regarding your quote above, it has always been one of the most frustrating things in my life, that I will have many very realistic dreams of flying (my favorite thing), but cannot in 'real life'.
I read Robert Monroe many years ago and loved the idea of OBE's, and have even had the physical vibrations associated with it, but have never achieved it consciously. The idea that my many flying dreams were possibly actual astral trips is a wonderful and hopeful thought.

Thanks again, am currently reading your book.

[Bollinger]

Forgive my incurable pragmatism but it shouldn’t be difficult to provide irrefutable evidence for these claims. Here is the experiment. As I understand it, when in astral-state, you can pretty much go anywhere and possibly see anything or anyone. If that is the case, all that needs to happen (while in astral state) is for you to present yourself at someone’s house, read what it says on a note on a desk and tell them what it said the next day. What would be fantastic is if you did it with someone that you do not know. I can volunteer myself if you like. Would you be willing to do this? If so, let me know and I’ll write the note, (no more than about 10 words in capitals) and place it on my desk. I would be astounded, staggered and will fully embrace the reality of OBEs, if you can tell me the next day on this thread what I wrote on that note.

Please do not think I am trying to discredit you, trick you or challenge you or anything like that. You have my respect from one human being to another and that will not change whatever you decide.

Bollinger

Ha! Be careful what you ask for. :) I have done a lot of experimenting! Here is the result of one experiment that I did with folks online. http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?5247-Your-Mission-is...&p=47895#post47895 Feel free to read the entire thread,,,. If you want to do some experimenting, then that is fine. Simply write the words on the paper and leave it alone. you can put it in your desk, folded, I do not care. I will need more than a day! I am not a friggin X-man! lol:) I appreciate you giving permission, as I will not have it any other way!

Here is another one of my favorite experiments that I was able to verify. http://thebookofjacob.webs.com/apps/blog/show/6889833-the-king-of-clubs

I will put it on the top of mee list!!! You have to give me some time. I will report my findings here in this thread. Jake.

Marvellous, you are on. The words are written and on my desk. I am out Wednesday and Thursday but will be back Friday afternoon to read the results.

Thanks

Bollinger

[Forevernyt]

I would so love to be able to experience and remember an OBE. When I was younger, (in my teens), I looked into it and I even had a book once to help guide one to an OBE. Being young, I did not want to be bothered with the preliminary preparations of writing essays and delving into my feelings, I wanted to go flying. So, I skipped that part of the book and went to the section about how to set your mind frame and what to think about to induce an OBE. The book I read said, as you begin to relax, your mind goes into the hypnogogic state. When you feel your whole body begin to vibrate, you'll have a choice to consciously leave your body, or induce a lucid dream.

The one and only time I successfully got to this point, I induced a Lucid dream where I was Wolverine. Don't laugh, I was a teen and heavily into comics at the time. Since that point, I can sometimes manipulate or control my dreams if the need arises. I've done this a few times since then. But, I haven't tried doing an OBE. I would be very interested in doing this and I may perhaps delve more into it.

I have had dreams of flying, but not for a long time. They were some of the most joyful dreams I've ever had.

[Fred Steeves]

I currently have a new pondering on the obe flying thing Jake. Since you've put so much study into it, I'll tell you what I'm beginning to think, and it's pretty out there. I've posted this here before so I won't go into detail now, but recently over a several month period I went from being freaked the hell out sliding out of my body in sleep, to where after months of practice I could soar out into space at a whim. Then it just stopped for quite a while, nothing. Now just in the last couple of weeks, there have been 2 or 3 where it's happening again, but it's different.

Now I feel more "awake", maybe like only half asleep, and decide to try and lift up slowly and say, crawl on the ceiling. I can do it now, it's slow and tedious, but it is getting ever so slowly better. The theory is that I'm starting over again, but maybe this go round the experience is being dragged a little deeper into our 3-D environment. That would explain the rapid forgetting of recently well learned flying lessons. If that's indeed the case, wouldn't that open up a whole new realm of possibility?

So Jake our resident expert, what's your take on that brother?

BTW, can't wait to hear what's in Bollinger's note...

Cheers,
Fred

[Carmody]

"Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground...and miss." ~Douglas Adams

Flying is important to astral projection for one basic reason.

When flying one is disarming, consciously, actively, continually....one of the prime egoic functions.

Fear of heights, fear of confusion, defeat of this mechanism, in the continual, knowing state, but THROUGH the egoic or mind structure areas or passages.

For when you astral project, or go into that dimensional space, you bring a strong impression of the self, as a fully formed thing with specific integrations of the given self with the given environment. Defeating the internal unconscious expectations of gravity is a key sign that this 'defeat' or control of 'natural' mechanisms....is happening.

This mechanism is also a good thing, for it is the unconscious mechanism as a similarity, a large bubble of consciousnesses, these 7 billion dreamers..that allows this reality to exist. Thus, many who try to do psychic things in this space have to argue to a certain extent, with everyone else's dream.

This can be done, it just takes time, will, and a building and growing level of experience. Confidence becomes a normalized state and thus the literal projection of ability begins to take shape. That is the beginning. How far one goes after that is a personal thing of oh, say...time, desire, and inclination.

[Jake]

I contend that many flying dreams are OBEs that we are remembering via the dream-states. There is a level of freedom to traveling outside of our bodies that is not matched with another experience, that I know of. I have to agree with Robert Monroe on this one. Just because one does not remember having an OBE,, it doesn't mean that one did not occur. :) I have always said that recurring flying dreams are indicative of OBEs.

Thanks so much for this thread. Regarding your quote above, it has always been one of the most frustrating things in my life, that I will have many very realistic dreams of flying (my favorite thing), but cannot in 'real life'.
I read Robert Monroe many years ago and loved the idea of OBE's, and have even had the physical vibrations associated with it, but have never achieved it consciously. The idea that my many flying dreams were possibly actual astral trips is a wonderful and hopeful thought.

Thanks again, am currently reading your book.

Recurrent dreaming, and lucid dreams about flying, mixed with energy body sensations are clear signs of OBEs! I cannot stress this enough... MEMORY IS THE KEY... You are having OBEs,, Do not be surprised to wake up from a dream and lose the memory of it in a split second. Likewise,,, do not be surprised if you wake from a fully conscious OBE, and (in a split second) remember it as a DREAM... ;) Thank you for taking the time to read mee book...



Marvellous, you are on. The words are written and on my desk. I am out Wednesday and Thursday but will be back Friday afternoon to read the results.

Thanks

Bollinger

:)




The book I read said, as you begin to relax, your mind goes into the hypnogogic state. When you feel your whole body begin to vibrate, you'll have a choice to consciously leave your body, or induce a lucid dream.

The one and only time I successfully got to this point, I induced a Lucid dream where I was Wolverine. Don't laugh, I was a teen and heavily into comics at the time.

I have had dreams of flying, but not for a long time. They were some of the most joyful dreams I've ever had.

Ha, Thanks for opening up.. I can't laugh at all. I often have 'spiderman' dreams,,, where I am flying through the air, projecting webs from mee hands... The vibrational state is NOT required for OBE. In fact , only a small percentage of folks who experience OBE report the intense vibrational stage. I know I do! Your dreams about flying and being free and expressing so much joy, are not dreams,, they are MEMORIES.... ;)





I currently have a new pondering on the obe flying thing Jake. Since you've put so much study into it, I'll tell you what I'm beginning to think, and it's pretty out there. I've posted this here before so I won't go into detail now, but recently over a several month period I went from being freaked the hell out sliding out of my body in sleep, to where after months of practice I could soar out into space at a whim. Then it just stopped for quite a while, nothing. Now just in the last couple of weeks, there have been 2 or 3 where it's happening again, but it's different.

Now I feel more "awake", maybe like only half asleep, and decide to try and lift up slowly and say, crawl on the ceiling. I can do it now, it's slow and tedious, but it is getting ever so slowly better. The theory is that I'm starting over again, but maybe this go round the experience is being dragged a little deeper into our 3-D environment. That would explain the rapid forgetting of recently well learned flying lessons. If that's indeed the case, wouldn't that open up a whole new realm of possibility?

So Jake our resident expert, what's your take on that brother?

BTW, can't wait to hear what's in Bollinger's note...

Cheers,
Fred

FredS,, you are Awesome, brother, thank you for your input. I would say "Welcome to flight school!" but you have been there a while now...
The ability to drop 'in and out on a whim' will come and go. We are in charge of our experience,,, but there are natural, energetic conditions that must also occur before we have a fully conscious exit projection. IME,,, lately, You are having the same experience, with a more lucid perspective. it will get even better. !!! You will find yourself awake and lucid, and out of your body, and your 'flying lessons' will pay off. I have NO doubts. Jake.

[cathycapp]

I get it . . . living in a very conservative world where people think one is crazy if they speak of such a thing . . . regardless, I get it!
Blessings to you!

[Carmody]

Sometimes I take dogs out for walks.

If I'm staying at a relative's house and the given dog is stressed, I'll get up in the morning with the memory of taking the given dog out for a night long romp in the astral planes. Dogs understand this stuff, and they generally love it. They are also one hell of a lot smarter in that space. Not human, with regard to complexity of thoughts, but far more evolved. So the next day, when I get up, the dog comes after me in this world..More! more! more! They have a blast. What has to happen is that I have to make a world for them to be in, a construct.

I can do this with people, but I have to get close to them first. I can talk in people's heads accidentally, usually when I'm VERY po'd with them. They hear it. I can also do it purposely. Not dreams, broad daylight. Dreamwise, going out for astral jaunts with others is quite the picnic. With others, one has to be careful about any bodily interference in the communication. It can get cray enough when you are out there on your own.

Anyway, I should stop that and stick to the topic. It's difficult enough to deal with, for most folks.

[grapevine]

I stopped oob's after a frightening experience many years ago when, rather unexpectedly, I ended up in a place that looked like Earth but had creatures that were half human and half animal. The experience scared the **** out of me. I stress that this was not a dream although I've never heard about anyone else going where I went. I guess I went too far too soon. At the time there were no 'manuals' on oobs - all my friends regarded me as some sort of freak and so I suppressed it all.

I guess it would be nice if you could go with somebody else - a friend. Anybody done that? If you have then come and pick me up on the way, yes?? :)

[Jake]

I stopped oob's after a frightening experience many years ago when, rather unexpectedly, I ended up in a place that looked like Earth but had creatures that were half human and half animal. The experience scared the **** out of me. I stress that this was not a dream although I've never heard about anyone else going where I went. I guess I went too far too soon. At the time there were no 'manuals' on oobs - all my friends regarded me as some sort of freak and so I suppressed it all.

I guess it would be nice if you could go with somebody else - a friend. Anybody done that? If you have then come and pick me up on the way, yes?? :)

Even last night, I had a joint OBE with my Mom. I have been trying to come and get her for some time now. About a year,,,, Well we did it! Here is the condensed version...

Started as a lucid dream. Dad was driving,,, Mum and me were talking about wether or not it was a dream, I knew it was, she did not. anyways,,,, I proved it to her by moving something with my mind. We were in a convertible car,,, as soon as she realized that she could, she took off flying. The energy body sensations, and the 'alive electrical feeling in the air' were unmistakable. We were out of body!!! We were in the mountains somewhere way up high. I took of flying after her. She did not waste any time. we were at a point above the clouds and she dove straight into them. Like a kid playing. It was quite fun. I dove in too. She made her way back up to the cliff area and started having trouble flying. She were just hovering there. We were hovering in the air,,, that is when I phased back into mee body...

I got up and shot her an email. She will get it when she gets to the office. I had to lay there and remember every detail before the 'memory wipe' phenomenon occurred. It was a bit of a struggle to remember,,, but I did not let the memory fade. I haven't heard back from her yet. I am at the edge of mee seat, I hope to hell she remembers something. (While I was typing, mum emailed me back and said that she did have a vivid dream about clouds, but doesn't remember the whole thing.) Do you see??? This is an OBE that she barely remembered, but as a dream. I was THERE,,, I know it was not a dream... :):):)

Fear is the most common barrier to OBE. At least in my experience. I often find myself in strange, unforseen places. It can be quite scary at times. We don't always have the luxery of forethought in the astral. Everything is thought and energy and our experience will often change before we realize that WE were the ones who changed it. My fear/panic reflex is alive and well.



Sometimes I take dogs out for walks.

If I'm staying at a relative's house and the given dog is stressed, I'll get up in the morning with the memory of taking the given dog out for a night long romp in the astral planes. Dogs understand this stuff, and they generally love it. They are also one hell of a lot smarter in that space. Not human, with regard to complexity of thoughts, but far more evolved. So the next day, when I get up, the dog comes after me in this world..More! more! more! They have a blast. What has to happen is that I have to make a world for them to be in, a construct.

I can do this with people, but I have to get close to them first. I can talk in people's heads accidentally, usually when I'm VERY po'd with them. They hear it. I can also do it purposely. Not dreams, broad daylight. Dreamwise, going out for astral jaunts with others is quite the picnic. With others, one has to be careful about any bodily interference in the communication. It can get cray enough when you are out there on your own.

Anyway, I should stop that and stick to the topic. It's difficult enough to deal with, for most folks.

Carmody, you can chime in any time, you are a superstar. I will always appreciate your sharing. I would love to continue having folks tell their OBE stories here. From Beginner to Advanced,,, I want to inspire folks to embrace their experiences. It always helps when another advanced projector gives their input. thank you so much. :) I love that you are a dog person... ;) I have been on a romp or two with mee dogs. I remember one time playing in the park by my house with this beautiful golden retriever,,, we played for quite a while. I thought that this dog was Out of Body too, but when I phased back into body, I ran out to the field and saw the dog, way accross the field. That was great fun!!
My dogs will sometimes show up in the astral when I am having a bad or fearful experience. If only they could talk. Awesome, Carmody, thanks for sharing.

[Bridey]

Love this thread and I am learning a lot. Thank-you Jake. I have just dipped into the vids and I will eventually read all the links you have provided.

I just wanted to share what happened to me yesterday. This is dream related and if I am getting off course please let me know and I apologize in advance. I also wanted to thank you for getting back to me on this thread earlier. I will try not to dream in levels anymore!

Also I did some research on the flip art I see behind my eyes when falling asleep and I heard the term hypnagogic state or hypnagogic hallucinations. Its really interesting and I think that's what is happening. Perhaps you have heard of it....

Well anyways, not last night but the night before I had a dream I helped a nine year old boy who injured himself. He had a deformity on his left arm and I could tell right away it was broken. I remember thinking in my dream that it was the first person I helped after getting my level three first aid. (received the certificate in waking life about a month ago) Anyways, I woke up had a great day at the beach. Met some friends later in the day. Was at the park with my children and lo and behold a nine year old boy flew off the monkey bars and landed hard. He had a deformity on his left arm and I could tell right away it was broken. I performed first aid on him, kept him and his family calm and sent them off to the hospital. I played out my dream! I thought this was incredible and creepy all at the same time. I must have had a premonition? Wow!

[Carmody]

So you are getting into the astral planes.

And now you know...... that time is not linear.

Now..no matter what anyone says, your life is transformed. You KNOW the difference.

and your eventual conclusion will move to being something like the point that: people cannot be forced to know these things, otherwise they reflect it back at you in their duality..and learn nothing. They must experience it for themselves.

It is only creepy due to your body freaking out, your ego system. The ego is for keeping the body alive and safe, part of the mechanics of the system. It is creepy and frightening as your body is in the process of learning that it will end. But the occupant is freed from ending, and can begin the trick of discerning the separation and integration point/area of the occupant - with the avatar. And that given progress will move at a rate that only you can dictate--it is an internal matter, which is how it should be.

You have just learned that you can see through time, and in this case, regarding personal matters. You have a new toy, if you wish. However, be careful with it, regarding interference with others' paths.

It can also be seen as if you were given a review of a coming lesson in life, so that when the time came, the two of you would integrate on a specific path and way. And you did.

Your real question would be about such things as the question of 'time', dimensions, realities, all of that...

[Forevernyt]

Carmody, you're my hero.

[Fred Steeves]

Fear is the most common barrier to OBE. At least in my experience. I often find myself in strange, unforseen places. It can be quite scary at times. We don't always have the luxery of forethought in the astral. Everything is thought and energy and our experience will often change before we realize that WE were the ones who changed it. My fear/panic reflex is alive and well.




Interesting Jake, that reminds me of an odd one a few months ago. I was out for a little joy fly several thousand miles away, saw something on the ground far below that looked imteresting, and swooped in to explore. Turned out I had landed at a place like Checkpoint Charlie. It was a border with a wall, razor wire, guards with rifles, and I was apparently on the wrong side. OOPS! Thinking "well this sucks", I went to just fly the coop, and it was a big no go, nothing. I was stuck. So there I am thinking "what the hell is this, I can fly in but I can't fly out? F**k me".

Wound up getting out the old fashioned way, and once escaped the flying abilities came back, just enough to limp home, but it sure made me wonder why it suddenly wasn't fullproof. Maybe the fear factor you mentioned has something to do with it. Hmmmmm.

Cheers,
Fred

[Bridey]

Carmody, I think I have to read and re-read your post a few more times to truly understand what you are saying. Reading and computing doesn't come easy for me. I am more of a picture thinker. If you could show me in pictures, I would understand...ha!! No seriously, I mostly understand what you are saying. I suppose I just need to do more research on "ego" and "time".

I'm afraid your dealing with a complete amateur here in regards to understanding the astral realm. I'll do my homework. Thank-you for your comments.....

The dream I had now reminds me of one I had twenty years ago. I'll only comment briefly on it, if you don't mind. An evil man hit me over the head with a flashlight. Next thing I know I'm standing on a busy street corner, I see the same evil man and a white light shot from his forehead and hit me. A month or so later I saw the same man in waking life, just thirty years younger. He came into the pub I was working at and kept saying I had a gift and that I knew what he was talking about and now that I'm doing it to him. I kept saying I didn't know what he was talking about. This went on for ten minutes or so. He kept repeating I had a gift. Anyways next thing you know he started opening and closing his mouth cracking his jaw. Then he said" i didn't do that, you made me do it". Strange because I had a problem with my own jaw at the time where it wouldn't stop cracking every time I opened my mouth. My body went numb from my toes to my head, I walked away, came back a minute later and he was gone. I suppose I was seeing through time then as well.

Thanks for listening, I won't comment on anymore dreams unless they are OBE related. Don't want to take over the thread and get off topic.

Now off to do lots of homework!!!! Thanks!!

[FrankoL]

I stopped oob's after a frightening experience many years ago when, rather unexpectedly, I ended up in a place that looked like Earth but had creatures that were half human and half animal. The experience scared the **** out of me. I stress that this was not a dream although I've never heard about anyone else going where I went. I guess I went too far too soon. At the time there were no 'manuals' on oobs - all my friends regarded me as some sort of freak and so I suppressed it all.

I guess it would be nice if you could go with somebody else - a friend. Anybody done that? If you have then come and pick me up on the way, yes?? :)

I had similar experiences. Last one was two days ago. When I returned to my body I started shivering (for a long). Entities were like undeveloped human, ... big builded body, 100% evil. Still haven't figured it out what realm is that. Guess I have to learn my greatest fears...

Other than that, no one told here, there is a bunch of people (you can find many forums around in regards) searching for ”love” adventures. I guess thats why it is becoming so popular these days...(absolutely no need to take anyone else with you) :p

At the end 3d is our reality. All these mystical experiences are just extra help to understand ourselves. There is nothing more than that. On the top of that there is no absolute certainty that afterlife exists. Maybe eternal peace is what you will find. Big deal.

[Carmody]

As you said Frank, there is no saying what we will find. While here, the ego will keep us ignorant and most times.....full of fear.

I personally found that when I went as hard as I could and used self hypnosis to slowly peel the ego away from touching the controls, or interpreting the data for me, the fear dropped away completely, and more things became accessible. More things became possible.

More importantly, the ego structure was not giving me false imagery and false creations. I could see things as they were, not as my body/ego/avatar wanted or feared them to be.

for example, via the removing of the avatar's layered control system, you can get to where the super soldiers were and are.

This can be done via brainwashing or training, thus the government black ops programs.

Or, simply by knowing that it exists..and determining to do such a thing, with will..and self hypnosis techniques, what have you.

However, with regard to manifestation in this space, a few things are required. Genetics and the desire. Which also means astrology - Birth Charts. Right genetics, right person, right day (born). The given adept's blending and dance with the machine, the 'engine of god', must be a good fit, a good complimentary resonance. Then the opportunity of that, can be made into something.

[grapevine]

I stopped oob's after a frightening experience many years ago when, rather unexpectedly, I ended up in a place that looked like Earth but had creatures that were half human and half animal. The experience scared the **** out of me. I stress that this was not a dream although I've never heard about anyone else going where I went. I guess I went too far too soon. At the time there were no 'manuals' on oobs - all my friends regarded me as some sort of freak and so I suppressed it all.

I guess it would be nice if you could go with somebody else - a friend. Anybody done that? If you have then come and pick me up on the way, yes?? :)

I had similar experiences. Last one was two days ago. When I returned to my body I started shivering (for a long). Entities were like undeveloped human, ... big builded body, 100% evil. Still haven't figured it out what realm is that. Guess I have to learn my greatest fears...

Other than that, no one told here, there is a bunch of people (you can find many forums around in regards) searching for ”love” adventures. I guess thats why it is becoming so popular these days...(absolutely no need to take anyone else with you) :p

At the end 3d is our reality. All these mystical experiences are just extra help to understand ourselves. There is nothing more than that. On the top of that there is no absolute certainty that afterlife exists. Maybe eternal peace is what you will find. Big deal.

In the oob I mention above, it wasn't frightening first off. I was amongst a group of satyrs and wasn't scared at all. They were standing around drinking beer and being quite sociable. They either accepted my presence or (more likely) didn't sense I was there. It wasn't until I looked around me that my eyes locked on the goat. He saw me all right and that is when I got scared. Those staring yellow eyes with the black pupils will stay with me forever. He stood up and rushed around the table towards me. The only thing I could think of was to say the Lord's prayer but I couldn't remember the words and instead I managed The Lord is My Shepherd, but it came out distorted - like a record being played at the wrong speed. (I've wondered since whether that was evidence that I was in a lower vibration and if I had visited a higher plain I might have been speaking like I'd taken helium - lool ). Anyway, the 23rd psalm did the trick and I left that place and returned to my body. When I came to and sat up I had a nosebleed and the next day I had two black eyes. I think I got such a fright that I didn't re-enter properly.

I have mentioned my experience above in a previous thread. I had experienced small oobs since I was a child, although I never knew what they were and always thought I was spinning and falling out of bed. I was always too scared to let go and then one day I did and I hovered on the ceiling. I didn't have any control over my movements, however, I was just sort of suspended there, like a bent over floppy puppet. My control never got much better than that. On another occasion, while lying on my front sunbathing, I oob by turning around in my body but couldn't leave it and was stuck like that for (what seemed) ages, with my hair blowing over my astral eyes. After a while I managed to relax and turned back round again.

When I had the mega scary experience above I was living abroad and decided to go and visit my family in UK, so as soon as I got the buzzing in my ears and the spinning sensation, I mentally propelled myself up and thought I would be arriving at home. As if that wasn't bad enough, I confided in someone who purported to know all about astral travelling and (a) they had never had an experience like it and (b) they said I had seen Lucifer, as in Baphomet.

And that's why I'm scared to go again.

Tea anyone?

:)

[FrankoL]

As you said Frank, there is no saying what we will find. While here, the ego will keep us ignorant and most times.....full of fear.

I personally found that when I went as hard as I could and used self hypnosis to slowly peel the ego away from touching the controls, or interpreting the data for me, the fear dropped away completely, and more things became accessible. More things became possible.

More importantly, the ego structure was not giving me false imagery and false creations. I could see things as they were, not as my body/ego/avatar wanted or feared them to be.

for example, via the removing of the avatar's layered control system, you can get to where the super soldiers were and are.

This can be done via brainwashing or training, thus the government black ops programs.

Or, simply by knowing that it exists..and determining to do such a thing, with will..and self hypnosis techniques, what have you.

However, with regard to manifestation in this space, a few things are required. Genetics and the desire. Which also means astrology - Birth Charts. Right genetics, right person, right day (born). The given adept's blending and dance with the machine, the 'engine of god', must be a good fit, a good complimentary resonance. Then the opportunity of that, can be made into something.

Carmody, I know what are you talking about. I’ve already posted it somewhere else, … http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?22851-Dreaming-Ego-the-Avatar-and-reality-function&p=244095#post244095


You may probably know there are several realms when out of body. Demon or devil like realm is one of I was talking about. Ego has nothing to do with it. Have you ever been there?

Other than that you are right. I personally don't use any technique to overcome ego. Go figure that I don't even know how to meditate. I find it funny that people teach & learn such things... Only technique to be learned is to listen to yourself and to pay attention to certain moments. It doesn't matter if dream or real life event, does it? You only have to remember it. These are puzzles of your story. It is up to you to collect and draw a picture. No one will do it for you. Now you understand what is all about? 3D is really important.

Everything else is an illusion. For instance, if you have jumped into conspiracy theories you have to understand why. Collect what is needed and move forward. If not you have already been deceived. You bought new amusement theme. You see, distraction is part of this game and all realities around. Purpose is to not remain lazy. Where are you?

You will never get it how construct works. Remember never. It is not your job to resolve it.

In some point of you will understand that everything is just perfect and you can still play with everything at your disposal.

Sorry for going off the topic.

[Fred Steeves]

Hi Jake, waiting for news on word from your mom, and the Bollinger experiment. In the meantime, I wanted to share what I think was a progression of lucidness in my new round of flying dreams. Last night was very odd, many different oob's, one very successful, most not. Many time I seemed to actually awaken to attempting to leave the body, and I could feel and look at my legs, while lying in bed, rising straight up towards the ceiling, and just basically my head and shoulders still on the bed. Of course a totally impossible position.lol.

Finally after all these failed attempts, I found myself out doors standing on the ground, during daylight. I thought sure I was awake, and thought " o.k., this is it, it's time to levitate". There was none of the old flying around like superman, but I stood straight, arms to the side, palms facing out like in some kind of Zen meditative posture, and gently rose straight up about 50 feet. As I moved gently forward with body totally vertical, there were many trees around, and it became like a little agility test to weave in an out of them. I also passed by some unrecognizable family and I was like "hey!look at me!", but they didn't care. That was baffling, it seemed like a pretty bfd to me...

Anyway, eventually there came a clearing, and I realized then where I was. I was at the shoreline on the other side of the bay from where I live, and was looking north exactly in the direction of my house. This was the point where it became VERY lucid, albeit briefly. The first thing I thought looking over the water, and then going over it towards home was "look for landmarks, and remember them". Well, just then my vision became very blurry, all concentration was lost, and I woke up.

That's o.k. though, things are progressing nicely. Hell, maybe I'll beat you to Bollinger's note? HaHa!!!:lol:

Great idea for a thread Jake, not a lot of people out there to bounce these types of things off of.

Cheers,
Fred

[Carmen]

Ohhh! Fred, Im soo jealous!! LOL

[Jake]

Hi Jake, waiting for news on word from your mom, and the Bollinger experiment. In the meantime, I wanted to share what I think was a progression of lucidness in my new round of flying dreams. Last night was very odd, many different oob's, one very successful, most not. Many time I seemed to actually awaken to attempting to leave the body, and I could feel and look at my legs, while lying in bed, rising straight up towards the ceiling, and just basically my head and shoulders still on the bed. Of course a totally impossible position.lol.

Finally after all these failed attempts, I found myself out doors standing on the ground, during daylight. I thought sure I was awake, and thought " o.k., this is it, it's time to levitate". There was none of the old flying around like superman, but I stood straight, arms to the side, palms facing out like in some kind of Zen meditative posture, and gently rose straight up about 50 feet. As I moved gently forward with body totally vertical, there were many trees around, and it became like a little agility test to weave in an out of them. I also passed by some unrecognizable family and I was like "hey!look at me!", but they didn't care. That was baffling, it seemed like a pretty bfd to me...

Anyway, eventually there came a clearing, and I realized then where I was. I was at the shoreline on the other side of the bay from where I live, and was looking north exactly in the direction of my house. This was the point where it became VERY lucid, albeit briefly. The first thing I thought looking over the water, and then going over it towards home was "look for landmarks, and remember them". Well, just then my vision became very blurry, all concentration was lost, and I woke up.

That's o.k. though, things are progressing nicely. Hell, maybe I'll beat you to Bollinger's note? HaHa!!!:lol:

Great idea for a thread Jake, not a lot of people out there to bounce these types of things off of.

Cheers,
Fred

Thats awesome, Fred. That sounds like a classic flight school scenerio. Especially because you seemed to be 'rewarded' with heightened lucidity. The fact that you reminded yourself to remember landmarks is fascinating too. That means that you are pushing the envelope, so to speak, expanding that space where you can bring more linear thought to your OBE/Dream without ruining it. There is the initial place that one usually finds themselves in, when OBE. It is the Astral/energetic counterpart to the real world. It is very closely resembling the real world. Often, so close that you will never know the difference. I will usually only spend a minute of two in the astral realm before the experience will slip into a more 'astral' less 'linear' experience. This is the 'astral proper' and in many ways will resemble a dream. Especially when you get back in your body to remember it. I would say you are progressing fine. I can't wait for your report of the full blown, fully conscious exit projection.

As for mum. She only remembers a dream about being up in the mountains and in the clouds. She does not remember being lucid and out of body. I sure do. Dad had a dream about driving in the mountains too. That is why I say that a lot of dreams are much more than we remember them to be. Mum seemed to not be aware of me once she started flying around while OBE,,, she didn't remember that part. I almost knew that she would because of the way she lost awareness that I was there. She was having way too much fun.

As for the Bolinger experiment,,, I am dialing in... lol you may beat me to it. :) Last night I woke up to an OBE that was already in progress. Thats right, my astral 'double' was already out and about before I phased into it. anyways I found myself in an unfamiliar house, looking down the hall. I put my hand through a wall for a split second, it is always cool. I remembered my goal from this thread. I had no idea where I was. I went down a very short hallway. On the room on the right, at the end of the hallway, I could here people playing. Sounded like kids playing video games. I went through the door and was surprised to see my youngest daughter playing vids with her friend. I phased back and sat up in bed and wrote it down, so that i did not forget. When I was able to call her the next day. She told me that she WAS playing vids with her friend at that time, at her friends house. I have no idea what her friends house looks like inside, but I will get a description when I see her next. I will keep trying. the fact that I remembered it while out of body is promising.

[Mark]

Hi Jake, nice to meet you. It is good to find a thread of this orientation here now, since this is currently an area of my own experience I'm taking to the next level. Like you, I am a natural astral projector, as I have had "sleep paralysis" since I was about 7 or 8 years old that I can remember. I didn't find out what it was and begin to experiment consciously with it until I was in my early 20s and found Robert Monroe's book, "Out of the Body", at which point I was shaken to my core to find what I'd been experiencing for mos of my life described perfectly and to a tee. I look forward to reading your webpage and checking out your video. Thanks again for what you are doing to help those along the path of conscious awakening.

[Jake]

Hi Jake, nice to meet you. It is good to find a thread of this orientation here now, since this is currently an area of my own experience I'm taking to the next level. Like you, I am a natural astral projector, as I have had "sleep paralysis" since I was about 7 or 8 years old that I can remember. I didn't find out what it was and begin to experiment consciously with it until I was in my early 20s and found Robert Monroe's book, "Out of the Body", at which point I was shaken to my core to find what I'd been experiencing for mos of my life described perfectly and to a tee. I look forward to reading your webpage and checking out your video. Thanks again for what you are doing to help those along the path of conscious awakening.

Welcome to Avalon, my friend. It is perfect that you are here. I can't wait to hear some of your stories. It really helps peoples own awakening when they can hear others talking about theirs. Robert Monroes work has helped me out immensely. Gone are the days where we have to doubt ourselves and the awareness experiences that are occurring. This world is waking up and we are a part of it. I am excited. Jake.

[Maia Gabrial]

I believe we go out of body all the time. We're told that it's called dreaming.

[Carmody]

Hi Jake, nice to meet you. It is good to find a thread of this orientation here now, since this is currently an area of my own experience I'm taking to the next level. Like you, I am a natural astral projector, as I have had "sleep paralysis" since I was about 7 or 8 years old that I can remember. I didn't find out what it was and begin to experiment consciously with it until I was in my early 20s and found Robert Monroe's book, "Out of the Body", at which point I was shaken to my core to find what I'd been experiencing for mos of my life described perfectly and to a tee. I look forward to reading your webpage and checking out your video. Thanks again for what you are doing to help those along the path of conscious awakening.

Welcome to Avalon, my friend. It is perfect that you are here. I can't wait to hear some of your stories. It really helps peoples own awakening when they can hear others talking about theirs. Robert Monroes work has helped me out immensely. Gone are the days where we have to doubt ourselves and the awareness experiences that are occurring. This world is waking up and we are a part of it. I am excited. Jake.

I tell people that sleep paralysis is not demons, etc, so stop thinking and seeing it that way (slap! get a hold of yourself!), and running around telling everyone that's what it is. Sleep paralysis is a GOOD THING.

It is a sign that you are inside, still conscious, when the body is shut down. It is wholly associated with being in the physiological and psychological space required for astral projection. rejoice! You are right there! Dig in!

[Jake]

Hi Jake, nice to meet you. It is good to find a thread of this orientation here now, since this is currently an area of my own experience I'm taking to the next level. Like you, I am a natural astral projector, as I have had "sleep paralysis" since I was about 7 or 8 years old that I can remember. I didn't find out what it was and begin to experiment consciously with it until I was in my early 20s and found Robert Monroe's book, "Out of the Body", at which point I was shaken to my core to find what I'd been experiencing for mos of my life described perfectly and to a tee. I look forward to reading your webpage and checking out your video. Thanks again for what you are doing to help those along the path of conscious awakening.

Welcome to Avalon, my friend. It is perfect that you are here. I can't wait to hear some of your stories. It really helps peoples own awakening when they can hear others talking about theirs. Robert Monroes work has helped me out immensely. Gone are the days where we have to doubt ourselves and the awareness experiences that are occurring. This world is waking up and we are a part of it. I am excited. Jake.

I tell people that sleep paralysis is not demons, etc, so stop thinking and seeing it that way (slap! get a hold of yourself!), and running around telling everyone that's what it is. Sleep paralysis is a GOOD THING.

It is a sign that you are inside, still conscious, when the body is shut down. It is wholly associated with being in the physiological and psychological space required for astral projection. rejoice! You are right there! Dig in!

Thats exactly right. Sleep paralysis is our bodies way of keeping us from hurting ourselves, by acting out our dreams, when we sleep. It is simple. Our system paralysis itself, and some folks have the tendency to wake up when in this state. I had a sleep study once, complaining of waking during sleep paralysis. I learned a lot. Long story short, I experience 'alpha wave intrusion, indicating arousal. Alpha wave intrusion is fairly normal,, why I was becoming lucid and awake was the 'problem'. I was told simply not to worry about it. He told me that the OBEs were all in my head,,, funny,,, I had just had a consultation with a psychiatrist who assured me it was a medical problem. The only doctors that I trust, anymore, are the ones who come to me in the astral. ;)

[Jake]

Bollinger, Hello. I have had OBE activity for three nights in a row. You were on the top of my mind each time. The first night I had a wonderful shared OBE with my mum,,, that she didn't remember, really. The second night, I found myself in an unfamiliar house, i thought for sure it was yours... i was hoping,,, but it turns out i was at the house that my youngest daughter was staying the night at. It seems my mom and my daughter held precedent over seeking out the riddle of the ten words. I had a semi lucid dream after another OBE experience that I had last night,,,, This old lady handed me a note that had 10 words on it. I couldn't read it at first, i was counting the words. I forgot most of them. Here are the ones that I remember: PEACE LOVE HATE JOY PAIN. The lady in the dream scolded me and told me 'not to guess'. Words are often jumbled when trying to read them in the astral. I am still working on it. give me some more time. I was hoping that I would knock it out of the park, the timing was perfect, I always have more conscious OBEs, just days before a full moon. I will keep at it. Jake.

[Carmody]

Bollinger, Hello. I have had OBE activity for three nights in a row. You were on the top of my mind each time. The first night I had a wonderful shared OBE with my mum,,, that she didn't remember, really. The second night, I found myself in an unfamiliar house, i thought for sure it was yours... i was hoping,,, but it turns out i was at the house that my youngest daughter was staying the night at. It seems my mom and my daughter held precedent over seeking out the riddle of the ten words. I had a semi lucid dream after another OBE experience that I had last night,,,, This old lady handed me a note that had 10 words on it. I couldn't read it at first, i was counting the words. I forgot most of them. Here are the ones that I remember: PEACE LOVE HATE JOY PAIN. The lady in the dream scolded me and told me 'not to guess'. Words are often jumbled when trying to read them in the astral. I am still working on it. give me some more time. I was hoping that I would knock it out of the park, the timing was perfect, I always have more conscious OBEs, just days before a full moon. I will keep at it. Jake.

Yes, it is difficult as the side of the mind, the right hemisphere... is not about shapes and definition of separateness, it is about the co-joining of all aspects of reality.

This is how we astral project, on the basic level. So puling separation and separateness (lines, geometry, shapes definition, etc) out of that... is basically... a near impossible task.

Watch Jill Bolte Taylor's description of what happens when the left hemisphere shuts down. This will clearly illustrate why a note is very difficult to read.

This is essential viewing:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyyjU8fzEYU

[Bollinger]

Bollinger, Hello. I have had OBE activity for three nights in a row. You were on the top of my mind each time. The first night I had a wonderful shared OBE with my mum,,, that she didn't remember, really. The second night, I found myself in an unfamiliar house, i thought for sure it was yours... i was hoping,,, but it turns out i was at the house that my youngest daughter was staying the night at. It seems my mom and my daughter held precedent over seeking out the riddle of the ten words. I had a semi lucid dream after another OBE experience that I had last night,,,, This old lady handed me a note that had 10 words on it. I couldn't read it at first, i was counting the words. I forgot most of them. Here are the ones that I remember: PEACE LOVE HATE JOY PAIN. The lady in the dream scolded me and told me 'not to guess'. Words are often jumbled when trying to read them in the astral. I am still working on it. give me some more time. I was hoping that I would knock it out of the park, the timing was perfect, I always have more conscious OBEs, just days before a full moon. I will keep at it. Jake.

Hi Jake,

Thank you for trying. The experiment is obviously not over because we did not put any kind of time limit on it. I will therefore leave it for you to call when you think it is done.

The five words you put up above were in fact not in the list and though I myself have never had any direct out-of-body experience, I understand how it might be difficult - as I can't even tell when I'm dreaming that it is a dream let alone remembering what the dream was unless I wake up immediately after it.

I'll keep vigil on this thread for further information.

Many thanks

Bollinger

[Jake]

Bollinger, Hello. I have had OBE activity for three nights in a row. You were on the top of my mind each time. The first night I had a wonderful shared OBE with my mum,,, that she didn't remember, really. The second night, I found myself in an unfamiliar house, i thought for sure it was yours... i was hoping,,, but it turns out i was at the house that my youngest daughter was staying the night at. It seems my mom and my daughter held precedent over seeking out the riddle of the ten words. I had a semi lucid dream after another OBE experience that I had last night,,,, This old lady handed me a note that had 10 words on it. I couldn't read it at first, i was counting the words. I forgot most of them. Here are the ones that I remember: PEACE LOVE HATE JOY PAIN. The lady in the dream scolded me and told me 'not to guess'. Words are often jumbled when trying to read them in the astral. I am still working on it. give me some more time. I was hoping that I would knock it out of the park, the timing was perfect, I always have more conscious OBEs, just days before a full moon. I will keep at it. Jake.

Hi Jake,

Thank you for trying. The experiment is obviously not over because we did not put any kind of time limit on it. I will therefore leave it for you to call when you think it is done.

The five words you put up above were in fact not in the list and though I myself have never had any direct out-of-body experience, I understand how it might be difficult - as I can't even tell when I'm dreaming that it is a dream let alone remembering what the dream was unless I wake up immediately after it.

I'll keep vigil on this thread for further information.

Many thanks

Bollinger

Awesome, Bollinger. Last night I woke up paralyzed and vibing out of control. I lifted out of my body and paused as i looked around. My first thought was to locate and find the ten words. Before I could do anything, I was pulled straight up through the roof. I blacked out as I was going higher and higher... I have no memory of what happened. Sometimes the HS has the OBE planned out for 'you'. Other times you are in complete control. I will keep at it. And let you know. I appreciate your patients. I am still honing my craft. :)

[Bollinger]

Bollinger, Hello. I have had OBE activity for three nights in a row. You were on the top of my mind each time. The first night I had a wonderful shared OBE with my mum,,, that she didn't remember, really. The second night, I found myself in an unfamiliar house, i thought for sure it was yours... i was hoping,,, but it turns out i was at the house that my youngest daughter was staying the night at. It seems my mom and my daughter held precedent over seeking out the riddle of the ten words. I had a semi lucid dream after another OBE experience that I had last night,,,, This old lady handed me a note that had 10 words on it. I couldn't read it at first, i was counting the words. I forgot most of them. Here are the ones that I remember: PEACE LOVE HATE JOY PAIN. The lady in the dream scolded me and told me 'not to guess'. Words are often jumbled when trying to read them in the astral. I am still working on it. give me some more time. I was hoping that I would knock it out of the park, the timing was perfect, I always have more conscious OBEs, just days before a full moon. I will keep at it. Jake.

Hi Jake,

Thank you for trying. The experiment is obviously not over because we did not put any kind of time limit on it. I will therefore leave it for you to call when you think it is done.

The five words you put up above were in fact not in the list and though I myself have never had any direct out-of-body experience, I understand how it might be difficult - as I can't even tell when I'm dreaming that it is a dream let alone remembering what the dream was unless I wake up immediately after it.

I'll keep vigil on this thread for further information.

Many thanks

Bollinger

Awesome, Bollinger. Last night I woke up paralyzed and vibing out of control. I lifted out of my body and paused as i looked around. My first thought was to locate and find the ten words. Before I could do anything, I was pulled straight up through the roof. I blacked out as I was going higher and higher... I have no memory of what happened. Sometimes the HS has the OBE planned out for 'you'. Other times you are in complete control. I will keep at it. And let you know. I appreciate your patients. I am still honing my craft. :)

OK Jake, thanks for the update. I'll continue to keep vigil on this thread and if I may say, I actually, really hope you succeed; I really mean that.

Thank you so much for putting your head on the chopping block for someone you don't even know.

B.

[Fred Steeves]

Hi Jake, nothing new to report til last night. Everything that happened this time was not so much asleep, as more in a meditative state. Several unsuccessful attempts at exiting body, getting halfway out, then becoming too excited, and right back in. Eventually I was able to be ready and calm when the next opportunity came, and when it did I was in full control of my normal waking faculties. Hovering horizontally like superman above the bed and ready to go, zipping right through the outside wall seemed like a fun idea, so zip right through it I did. Very very cool!!!

Then it was daytime, and I slowly gained altitude up to maybe a few hundred feet, over a town, when I suddenly thought to remind myself "This is not a dream, you're awake, look around at everything, see what it looks like, and REMEMBER". Everything looked exactly normal, buildings, cars, parking lots, trees, except the last thing I thought to look at, the sky. It was hazy and hard to focus on. Something just wasn't quite right with it.

By this time I was crossing a coastline and heading out to sea. That didn't seem too exciting, so I took a nose dive, gained a LOT of speed, and swooped down within a few feet of the water, leveled off, and headed back. Right after that rush it began to fade, but before it did I found myself back in body, but also still flying briefly, trying to hold on to it. Talk about a split personality...

Much the rest of the night was spent trying to repeat, but was pretty much spent with the old half in/half out gig at very odd angles. You know? Like your head's on the pillow, but your legs and mid section are straight up trying to touch the ceiling. Very awkward,lol. What I learned from this though is that I can't MAKE it happen. A good analogy would be like trying to surf without a wave, you gotta wait til the time's right. Well, me anyway. It's more a letting go process. There's a certain tingling type sensation when the window of opportunity is open, then the trick is just to relax and ride the wave.

I'm very glad to have the opportunity to discuss these things with you Jake! Listening to your experience and suggestions with this has helped me leap frog some of the muddling through process, and to go straight to setting sights on being mindful of being conscious when it happens. Thank you for the nudges in the right direction, your insights have proven invaluable!!!

Cheers,
Fred

[kingmonkey]

According to a shamanic teacher who has spent his life researching healing and trauma that i have been reading about; it is very common to go out of body during traumatic experiences. He claims that if you revisit traumatic memories it is very common to see an image of oneself and not from the point of view of being in body. Part of the healing technique he devised for healing and research actually makes a point of getting back into body to fully experience the original trauma.(this has downsides too and there are alternatives) I found this very interesting when i first read about it. Of course what you are describing above is conscious out of body experiences but id just like to comment.

I know very little about actually trying for real. My Grandfather upon retirement started to read a lot of self help books and new age stuff out of curiosity and my mother getting them from the library. Now my grandad was the most down to earth , manual worker , real "meat and potatoes" kind of man. He was not into airy fairy stuff as he called it.

One day he was reading one of my mothers books and decided to give one of the exercises a try. He went out of body and found himself looking downwards at his own body! But he was terrified because he had not read the part about getting back into body, with that thought i think he returned. He told everybody about it but my grandmother thought he was crazy! Now for me even before i read about this stuff, if my grandad could do it then it existed!

Never tried it myself though....... maybe i inherited some of his skill......

[Jake]

Hi Jake, nothing new to report til last night. Everything that happened this time was not so much asleep, as more in a meditative state. Several unsuccessful attempts at exiting body, getting halfway out, then becoming too excited, and right back in. Eventually I was able to be ready and calm when the next opportunity came, and when it did I was in full control of my normal waking faculties. Hovering horizontally like superman above the bed and ready to go, zipping right through the outside wall seemed like a fun idea, so zip right through it I did. Very very cool!!!

Then it was daytime, and I slowly gained altitude up to maybe a few hundred feet, over a town, when I suddenly thought to remind myself "This is not a dream, you're awake, look around at everything, see what it looks like, and REMEMBER". Everything looked exactly normal, buildings, cars, parking lots, trees, except the last thing I thought to look at, the sky. It was hazy and hard to focus on. Something just wasn't quite right with it.

By this time I was crossing a coastline and heading out to sea. That didn't seem too exciting, so I took a nose dive, gained a LOT of speed, and swooped down within a few feet of the water, leveled off, and headed back. Right after that rush it began to fade, but before it did I found myself back in body, but also still flying briefly, trying to hold on to it. Talk about a split personality...

Much the rest of the night was spent trying to repeat, but was pretty much spent with the old half in/half out gig at very odd angles. You know? Like your head's on the pillow, but your legs and mid section are straight up trying to touch the ceiling. Very awkward,lol. What I learned from this though is that I can't MAKE it happen. A good analogy would be like trying to surf without a wave, you gotta wait til the time's right. Well, me anyway. It's more a letting go process. There's a certain tingling type sensation when the window of opportunity is open, then the trick is just to relax and ride the wave.

I'm very glad to have the opportunity to discuss these things with you Jake! Listening to your experience and suggestions with this has helped me leap frog some of the muddling through process, and to go straight to setting sights on being mindful of being conscious when it happens. Thank you for the nudges in the right direction, your insights have proven invaluable!!!

Cheers,
Fred

WWWWOOOOOWWWWW, Fred, You got it!!!! Exactly right,, REMEMBER! that is the key.. Congrats. You have stumbled upon one of the key elements to OBE that we have always talked about it 'OBE circles',, and that is,,, You cannot MAKE it happen. You can set the stage, prepare yourself mentally, morally, energetically,,,, There are energies involved that must be present, that are not controlled by us, perhaps controlled by nature. Your analogy about the surfer is right on... I used to say it was like flying a kite, with no wind. All of the energies are in place, but there is no wind.

Many times when attempting to exit, I will collapse back into my body in a heap of exhaustion. Many other times there will be a magnetic 'pull' back to my body. There is least resistance to an exit, just a couple of days before a full moon. Not sure why. I am glad that you appreciate the 'walk-throughs'... I am glad that you are embracing you experiences.


I found myself back in body, but also still flying briefly, trying to hold on to it. Talk about a split personality...

HA! I know just what you mean. It is called bi-location. Being aware of 'both' projected double and physical body, means that you were experiencing a moment of clarity, and looking down on both experiences from a higher perspective. Your higher self?? Many people get confused about HS... You ARE you HS. It is a matter of perspective. :):):)

Also, whenever I look up into the sky, (while out of body) it is always a different experience than in the physical. In the physical, we are just looking at clouds or the sky, or stars. In the Astral,,, It is a different phenomenon altogether. Everything is alive, and the air is energy. (not unlike the physical, we just do not realize it) Once you are out of your body, you can see the 'sky' for what it really is,, ALIVE!! Not, stars, clouds, sky,,,, Living, breathing, consciousness.

I am thrilled to hear your 'progress'.. (you have been having OBEs for a long time,,, just now getting used to it,,, eh?) ;) Imagine what an amazing day tomorrow would be, if we all remembered our OBE's, tonight!!!

I liken those of us who are having OBEs to those early humans who first started remembering their dreams. What an amazing time to be alive, for them... Granted,, the bulk of the population did not 'dream' (that they knew of) But the entirety of human kind dream now!!! We will all be having OBEs soon enough. It is a question of embracing our experiences, NOW, or passing them off to a future generation.

As long as we keep these types of dialogues going,, we will be helping others to transcend the physical, and REMEMBER!!

Thanks for sharing, Fred. You have inspired me, once again! Jake.

[Jake]

According to a shamanic teacher who has spent his life researching healing and trauma that i have been reading about; it is very common to go out of body during traumatic experiences. He claims that if you revisit traumatic memories it is very common to see an image of oneself and not from the point of view of being in body. Part of the healing technique he devised for healing and research actually makes a point of getting back into body to fully experience the original trauma.(this has downsides too and there are alternatives) I found this very interesting when i first read about it. Of course what you are describing above is conscious out of body experiences but id just like to comment.

I know very little about actually trying for real. My Grandfather upon retirement started to read a lot of self help books and new age stuff out of curiosity and my mother getting them from the library. Now my grandad was the most down to earth , manual worker , real "meat and potatoes" kind of man. He was not into airy fairy stuff as he called it.

One day he was reading one of my mothers books and decided to give one of the exercises a try. He went out of body and found himself looking downwards at his own body! But he was terrified because he had not read the part about getting back into body, with that thought i think he returned. He told everybody about it but my grandmother thought he was crazy! Now for me even before i read about this stuff, if my grandad could do it then it existed!

Never tried it myself though....... maybe i inherited some of his skill......

These abilities are latent in everybody. I am not special,, I promise you. The OBE is an untapped potential for all of us. What power would the PTB have against us if we were all to suddenly start having and practicing fully conscious Astral projection?? They would be exposed, and they know it. What a nightmare for them. In my opinion, it is only a matter of time. The world is waking up. Everything is changing. I am very excited.

[Forevernyt]

I so want to be able to do this. I need to watch the vids.

[Carmody]

Many other times there will be a magnetic 'pull' back to my body. There is least resistance to an exit, just a couple of days before a full moon. Not sure why. I am glad that you appreciate the 'walk-throughs'... I am glad that you are embracing you experiences.

According to one saying, "Women are horny (beginning) two days before a full moon, Men are horny two days after". Thus the moon, bracketed by Venus on one side and mars on the other. Feminine,Venus ...then the moon, emotions,peaked power... then mars the physical...back in the body again. Just an idea.

Blue, violet, then red.

they also say that the other dimensions are like a reversed mirror, to this world. That those memories or dreams come to us in and like a snapshot, and then we unravel them, we form time around them, as we shape what we saw, or interacted with.

So Fred, do you remember the FEELING of slipping out. How big you actually are? That weird buzz, the rush, like silk on skin, but through the entire body...

The feeling of being free of the pressures of the body, the sheer limits of the body and it's aches, pains, emotions, cranial wiring limits, etc..all being lifted?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5zVbzWgByk

[HORIZONS]

I hear that there is a Library on Focus Level 27 that can be accessed and has all the recorded works of the physical kept there for Astral students - ever been there?

[FrankoL]

I am really confused at the moment. Up to now I was 100% sure that greys and abductions are not real. I thought that somehow phenomenon is strictly related to OBEs (kind of defense mechanism). Now I don't know what to think. Let me explain:

Few days ago I was reading some other forum and 11:11 obsession. One poster explained that repetition, sequence numbers (111, 222, ...) are because of implant inserted into your body. Numbers themselves have no lofty significance (they are not coordinates, secret codes, gateways to other dimensions, or spiritual in any form)—they’re nothing more than trigger numbers. They’re there to make you remember your connection or involvement with extraterrestrials both in the past, and the near future. How is this done, you ask? By vibrational frequencies. When a digital readout tolls 11:11, 1:11, or 1:34 and 2:34 sequences etc., it emits a signal that is picked up by alien implants within your body.

Abductees share several characteristics:
- low body temperature
- migraine or pain on left side of the head (left eye, nose...)
- sufferings from insomnia or sleep disorders
- scars
- travel to remote place
- dreams of scouts, living with unknown people, metal transportation ...trains, buses
- obsession with UFO phenomena

Going back to subject it is astral projection or it's an abduction? Poster explained...


It’s both. A lot of abductees talk about traveling on the astral plane, from which they can look down and see their neighborhood. Some of these people have said they were taught to fly by alien instructors. Regardless if it’s in a vehicle or out, it’s still an abduction.

All these statements freaked me out. I have all symptoms and terror from sleep paralysis might derive when in fact you fear the abduction. Any thoughts?

[Solphilos]

Anyone can travel out of the physical, it only takes practice and a little knowledge. There are many good books on the subject, but I'd advise researching the subject extensively, as although these experiences can be richly fulfilling, they do have inherent dangers as well.

That said, I'll offer a little tip in the form of a preliminary exercise which aids both in visualization and the loosening of the astral. This is an old technique taught to initiates in many of the Mystery traditions, but it is universal and can be used as a stand-alone exercise to enhance visualization skill and astral sight. It is useful to practice the following before proceeding to attempt the projection of the astral or etheric body.

First, find as large a mirror as possible, sufficient to see all of your body in. Seat yourself comfortably and examine in detail all of your body. Then, close your eyes and attempt to recall all of the details of your reflection. If you cannot see most of the details but have only a patchy memory of your reflection, open your eyes and look again. When you can finally visualize all of your reflection with closed eyes, particularly the face, keeping your eyes close, try to transfer your point of view from your body to the visualization of your reflected image, so that your are looking out of the mirror.

If you find success in this, try seeing the objects in the room from the perspective of the mirror, looking behind your physical body. To some extent you will be relying on memory here, but after a while your ability to perceive the room from the new perspective will increase to the point of certainty that it is not merely memory that is prompting your vision. It is at this point that you should attempt one of the techniques of projection that you feel most comfortable with, and remember to take note of your results in a journal or diary of successes or failures.

L.V.X.

[Fred Steeves]

Imagine what an amazing day tomorrow would be, if we all remembered our OBE's, tonight!!!


Well Jake, I'm starting to seriously look at the possibility that this phenomena is attainable in our every day waking bodies...Ahhhhhh, dare to dream...(Sorry bout the pun, couldn't resist.):eyebrows:

Cheers,
Fred

[Mark]

Hi there Frankol, thanks Jake and Carmondy for your responses. Frankol, you mentioned fear in connection with the sleep paralysis. Well, I can tell you a little something about that lol, for YEARS, from the time I was small till I was in my early 20s, I greeted sleep paralysis with a response of abject fear. I would fight it each and every time, struggling to move a finger, open my eyes, move my arm, whatever, to stop the vibrations and move, then I would, without fail, remain awake or move to another position so that it wouldn't come back and I could go to sleep like normal people. Frankol, your statements about abduction and all that is kind of freaky to me as well because all of those happen to me but I've never thought about them in the context of abduction. I've got several uncomfortable memories from childhood that I've thought over the years might be cover memories for abduction, but I've never undergone hypnosis or anything like that to explore them any deeper. Very interesting, thank you for sharing it.

[PurpleLama]

"It's an awesome feeling of inner peace and happiness...."

Anyone who has not done so should check out the "Awesome OOBE" thread in the spirituality forum.

Just a suggestion. Takes the edge off the fear portion of the program.

[Jake]

"It's an awesome feeling of inner peace and happiness...."

Anyone who has not done so should check out the "Awesome OOBE" thread in the spirituality forum.

Just a suggestion. Takes the edge off the fear portion of the program.

Yes!!! I love this guy,,, how many times have YOU felt like this??????????????? (I mean YOU in general) What an inspiring vid...
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?27210-Awesome-OOBE---&p=291984#post291984

[Orion.V]

Hello guys !
I just wanted to share something and ask away a question that someone might be able to give an answer.

About my personal astral experiences you can check this thread : http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8582-Jim-Sparks-talked-about-ET-abduction-and-my-experience-on-this-matter-astral-travel.

About my question : It seems that many times when i get back into my body after an OBE i can still catch that glimpse of the previous dimension where i have been. It usually lasts about 30 seconds i think. The most fascinating of all is when i see strange cryptic symbols allover in the ether around me. What do they mean ? Where do they came from ? What am i actually looking at ?

Once i even had a very scary experience that freaked the hell out of me, where i saw an entity. As i was coming back and finally opened my eyes i saw someone kneeling before my bed and myself, observing me. I could not see what this person looked like because it was dark and the person was wearing some black robes and a hood, something like that.

Few seconds passed before this person or entity started to move away and disappeared from my sight. I remember i could not sleep for a few nights after that.

Feel free to comment.

[Fred Steeves]

So Fred, do you remember the FEELING of slipping out. How big you actually are? That weird buzz, the rush, like silk on skin, but through the entire body...

The feeling of being free of the pressures of the body, the sheer limits of the body and it's aches, pains, emotions, cranial wiring limits, etc..all being lifted?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5zVbzWgByk

Damn good questions Carmody! Thank you! More things to keep in "mind" to notice, just like things Jake has pointed out. I'm very grateful to people here who have so much experience and wisdom to share in such matters.

Yes, I full well remember the feeling of slipping out, it's both quite bizarro world, and yet strangely natural. I believe my physical size stays about the same. The oddest thing is the entire bodily sensation when the "time" is right. The closest I could put it would be it vibrates like a tuning fork.

The rest of your descriptions sound right on the money, but I look forward to pondering them in real time, just like with Jake's suggestion to notice and remember.

That reminds me now, when the first wave of this started several months ago, I would awaken suddenly shivering with cold sweats. That was back when I first got here and didn't know who to ask just WHAT IN THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE?LOL. So, to anybody, is that part of starting the normal progression? Is there some sort of physiological shock at first?

Cheers,
Fred

BTW, loved the video. Didn't understand a lick of it, but it was surely entertaining.

[Solphilos]

Orion.V, I recommend a book titled Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce. I think it will answer your questions and then some.

[PurpleLama]

ok, for the meat of the thread. I also experience travelling of sorts, but what I first experience is an expansion, then a very intense sensation of movement, like falling or flying. My sense of self expands as well, into a much larger 'me'. Like, maybe, 15 feet tall larger. And from there I can do it again and again. I wind up with a height relative to the sun where the planet is about the size of a grapefruit. I've not seen any contributions along these lines and was hesitant to mix it up, but I watched the awesome oobe video again and it left me so cheerful, I said "what the heck."

[Carmody]

So Fred, do you remember the FEELING of slipping out. How big you actually are? That weird buzz, the rush, like silk on skin, but through the entire body...

The feeling of being free of the pressures of the body, the sheer limits of the body and it's aches, pains, emotions, cranial wiring limits, etc..all being lifted?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5zVbzWgByk

Damn good questions Carmody! Thank you! More things to keep in "mind" to notice, just like things Jake has pointed out. I'm very grateful to people here who have so much experience and wisdom to share in such matters.

Yes, I full well remember the feeling of slipping out, it's both quite bizarro world, and yet strangely natural. I believe my physical size stays about the same. The oddest thing is the entire bodily sensation when the "time" is right. The closest I could put it would be it vibrates like a tuning fork.

The rest of your descriptions sound right on the money, but I look forward to pondering them in real time, just like with Jake's suggestion to notice and remember.

That reminds me now, when the first wave of this started several months ago, I would awaken suddenly shivering with cold sweats. That was back when I first got here and didn't know who to ask just WHAT IN THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE?LOL. So, to anybody, is that part of starting the normal progression? Is there some sort of physiological shock at first?

Cheers,
Fred

BTW, loved the video. Didn't understand a lick of it, but it was surely entertaining.

Yes indeedy there is a physiological shock. Huge, in fact.

The body cannot exist as a functional item without the spirit or occupying being. The being that is locked to that vibrational pattern,that lower harmonic that is the body of choice. But the being, the higher vibration being that is occupying the body..that being can survive without the body, and does. It was here before and it will be here after.

so the body is literally, on the deepest level possible frightened to and at the absolute limits of it's wits. Initially, that is. We can get past that by not alarming it. Slowly working our way to quiet understanding, taming the body's fears.

Thus my saying of it being a world, a reality of: 'rubber buggy baby bumpers'.

See the books of Newton:

http://www.near-death.com/newton.html

And the body reflects our fears, into the spirit and the spirit, which is locked to the body, can manifest those fears. So we can get things manifesting in our lives. visions of things that the body fears. We shape them into realities. The golem (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17872-The-Question-of-Lithium--Alchemy-dimensions-shapeshifters-aliens-existence-reality..-&p=192253&viewfull=1#post192253). And even more. all this reality around you is a consensus shape and form, maintained by the ego function, our body function as reflected by our spirit, which is the real source of this localized collective reality and localized condition. Thus this comment from David Icke about reptilians:
(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?5402-Soul-harvester)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

In Children of the Matrix, Icke writes that, that if the reptilians did not exist, we would have to invent them. "In fact," he says, "we probably have. They are other levels of ourselves putting ourselves in our face."

Eventually all this leads to the clearing of our fears. The dismissal of the bogey men. Dismissal of the things that go bump in the night.

Things can 'get you' yes. However, from this space, our bodies can reflect back into our spirit and our spirit can manifest a dream, or a nightmare.... for us. Tame the fears and the nightmares go away.

Nasty things can exist in reality... but then again..what is reality? We are locked into this until we individually allow ourselves to be free.

[Orion.V]

Let me tell you about some interesting experiences i had very recently and it includes a concept of duality.
It began while i was having my afternoon nap. First came the auditory experiencing of sounds and conversations, then the flashes and vibrant colorful images and finally the feeling of electricity passing through my body and heavy pressure between my eyebrows on the forehead. I found myself away from my body but i was completely blind, i could not see anything but i could navigate myself by touching the nearby objects in the room. Now here is the trick, I was also conscious in my physical body and from there i could see clearly what was going on around me.

Now this is experience where you are being present on 2 places at the same time in a simultaneous way. The physical ME was in his bed and observing things around but paralyzed and the astral ME was trying to navigate his way around the room by using his hands.
My astral self noticed strong magnetic pull towards the physical body but i could grab on to a piece of furniture in the room and pull myself towards the door. Finally i came to the door knob and opened it, stepped outside then closed the door and found myself holding to the door frame. The door frame on the left side seemed to have a rusty surface that i could feel below my fingers and then for some reason i decided to get back to my body and check the door out.

When i got up i immediately checked the door only to find that the left frame had a place where the paint wore off and thus it was feeling rough on touch. Funny how i realized i should repaint that door frame only because i found this out by my astral exploration of my own home.

Another experience i had was quite similar except my astral self was not blind but as it separated from the physical body it went up towards the ceiling from where i could see distant lights coming in through my window in a golden color. It looked to me like laser beams and i could actually see the many photon particles that compose the beam. I remember turning around my body but again i had experience of existing at 2 places simultaneously.

These are some of my most recent experiences where i also experienced the feeling of duality. Not all my projections were like that.

[Jake]

Amazing experiences. Welcome to Avalon, by the way. Your descriptions of being out of body are spot on. Thank you. I often have much more lucid experienced during an afternoon nap. Bi-location is not an easy thing to 'get used to'. It has caused a lot of panic for me. I think it is because I wanted to be in control, and I was not. I have learned that it is best to relax, and go with the flow. There are definitely multiple aspects of 'self' operating simultaneously.


I found myself away from my body but i was completely blind, i could not see anything but i could navigate myself by touching the nearby objects in the room. Now here is the trick, I was also conscious in my physical body and from there i could see clearly what was going on around me.

A perfect example of bi-location. Being awake and aware in both 'spaces'. Amazing. I was in the middle of an event like that once, when suddenly, I (we, I whatever) both aspects became aware of an intrusion from 'dreaming mind'. All of the sudden, more dense, abstract, dream-imagery came flowing in. I lost both aspects of that event to the dream that 'took over'. Dreaming mind/waking mind/sleeping mind/projected mind. I get the feeling that there is no end to this 'rabbit hole'. How many ME's are out there? This is a frightening concept! The implications are staggering. Somewhere, on some level that we do not understand,,, we really ARE one! I like what Carmody said about taking a snapshot, and rolling it out through time and space to experience it in the physical. That 'snapshot' being the creative template that becomes our physical reality. You will see it when you believe it! ;)


When i got up i immediately checked the door only to find that the left frame had a place where the paint wore off and thus it was feeling rough on touch. Funny how i realized i should repaint that door frame only because i found this out by my astral exploration of my own home.

Ha! immediate and practical application of OBE. I love it!

Thank you for sharing. I keep a dream/OBE journal by my bed at all times. Waking up and writing down your impressions or dreams,, sends a powerful message to your higher self, that you want to remember.

[Allura]

I LOVE projecting!! I do it about 2-3 times a week. It's nice to see so many able to do it and so many willing to try. I'm wondering if anyone wants to try to "meet" while OOB? I've been wanting to try that for a long time but haven't been able to find anyone else with the ability to go OOB.

I never know what nights I'll be able to get out but every night I go to bed repeating the affirmation, "Now I experience being out of body..." This phrase seems to work the best for me and I'm freed 2-3 times a week.

[Orion.V]

Amazing experiences. Welcome to Avalon, by the way. Your descriptions of being out of body are spot on. Thank you. I often have much more lucid experienced during an afternoon nap. Bi-location is not an easy thing to 'get used to'. It has caused a lot of panic for me. I think it is because I wanted to be in control, and I was not. I have learned that it is best to relax, and go with the flow. There are definitely multiple aspects of 'self' operating simultaneously.


I found myself away from my body but i was completely blind, i could not see anything but i could navigate myself by touching the nearby objects in the room. Now here is the trick, I was also conscious in my physical body and from there i could see clearly what was going on around me.

A perfect example of bi-location. Being awake and aware in both 'spaces'. Amazing. I was in the middle of an event like that once, when suddenly, I (we, I whatever) both aspects became aware of an intrusion from 'dreaming mind'. All of the sudden, more dense, abstract, dream-imagery came flowing in. I lost both aspects of that event to the dream that 'took over'. Dreaming mind/waking mind/sleeping mind/projected mind. I get the feeling that there is no end to this 'rabbit hole'. How many ME's are out there? This is a frightening concept! The implications are staggering. Somewhere, on some level that we do not understand,,, we really ARE one! I like what Carmody said about taking a snapshot, and rolling it out through time and space to experience it in the physical. That 'snapshot' being the creative template that becomes our physical reality. You will see it when you believe it! ;)


When i got up i immediately checked the door only to find that the left frame had a place where the paint wore off and thus it was feeling rough on touch. Funny how i realized i should repaint that door frame only because i found this out by my astral exploration of my own home.

Ha! immediate and practical application of OBE. I love it!

Thank you for sharing. I keep a dream/OBE journal by my bed at all times. Waking up and writing down your impressions or dreams,, sends a powerful message to your higher self, that you want to remember.

Thank you very much for sharing all this valuable data Jake.
Yeah i had that too many times when mind takes over and paints everything in a dream and the dream takes over. The concept as much frightening as it can be it is also very fascinating. Right now in this material 3D awake state might be hard to picture and imagine the concept of bi-location or multiple simultaneous existences, but once you are experiencing them, in that moment it feels so normal and sharp.

About the snapshots i agree with you. I had few experiences actually transferred into the physical reality and happened like a chain of events because i believe thoughts are part of reality and they can attract events and things into your life.
As more i became aware of this i started making use of it, about how to make the mind and thought manifest more firmly in the 3D reality. I found out that also emotion plays a big role in the scenario and serves as a huge thought boost to attract things.

So far i remember my most fascinating experiences but i should take an example here and keep a journal too.
Thanks.

[Jake]

I LOVE projecting!! I do it about 2-3 times a week. It's nice to see so many able to do it and so many willing to try. I'm wondering if anyone wants to try to "meet" while OOB? I've been wanting to try that for a long time but haven't been able to find anyone else with the ability to go OOB.

I never know what nights I'll be able to get out but every night I go to bed repeating the affirmation, "Now I experience being out of body..." This phrase seems to work the best for me and I'm freed 2-3 times a week.

My goodness, Allura. Welcome to Avalon. You are most welcome. I have a small list of projects that I am focusing on right now... (Hi, Bollinger, haven't forgot about you! :)) but I DO want to experiment, with joined OBEs. I have had a couple. It is a mind-bend. WOW... 2 or 3 times a week. That is fantastic. Are your OBEs consciously controlled, or are they mostly spontaneous?? I have controlled the experience from induction to return several times. But mostly, they are spontaneous. Not so much Random. but Spontaneous. meaning, they don't just come out of the blue,, but I will sometimes awake into trance, feel the energy and 'go for it'. (if that makes sense.)

Feel free to share your experiences in this thread, or start you own discussion, too. :)

My best and most useful affirmation is this... "I request a being of light to enter my space." and this,,, "I am more than my physical human body."

simple yet powerful, for me. Thank you for sharing. Jake.

[Fred Steeves]

I'm wondering if anyone wants to try to "meet" while OOB? I've been wanting to try that for a long time but haven't been able to find anyone else with the ability to go OOB.



Hi Allura, let's give it a shot. I have no idea how to do it, but then again that probably doesn't matter.

Cheers,
Fred

[FrankoL]

Mistake. I deleted post.

[Carmody]

OOBE's? Conscious recall ones?

At my peak, I was at 2 to 5 a night. Basically all night, full conscious recall, but with residual bodily object recognition and shaping interference in some ways, and some not.

Right now, I'm just getting back to it.

[Carmody]

I'm wondering if anyone wants to try to "meet" while OOB? I've been wanting to try that for a long time but haven't been able to find anyone else with the ability to go OOB.



Hi Allura, let's give it a shot. I have no idea how to do it, but then again that probably doesn't matter.

Cheers,
Fred

You are right, it does not matter.

If, for example, you meet, in the "dream"... someone who is like an uncle or brother or person you know..what you will find is that the person you are attempting to meet has a birthday that is similar. your body system of visual object recognition tried to identify shapes and items, the same way as a child you needed to learn this thing about objects, via your vision, body signals from nerves, etc. Feeling, body signals, and visual signals get shaped into what you know as your unique and personal avatar's pattern recognition. Conscious recall requires this as it is 3d reality as a doorway of communication, right here, in this thread.

Your mind and spirit, due to bodily interpretation combined with third eye interpretation through the body, into conscious recall....will identify that similar vibration as the uncle, friend, and what not. Including, objects, items, events, shapes, etc.

So it is not just possible but entirely probable that two can meet, but not recognize in the conscious state..that they indeed have.

I did this recently with a member of the forum here. They approached me, we compared notes of our 'dreams' from the night prior.... and we had done that exact thing.

The reality is that we do this all the time, every time we 'dream'. The dream is a 3d conscious recall, it is this dream, this reality.

The polarizing filter of the 3d body avatar translation system is the problem and the solution, all in one. Like a language translator.

Your job is to learn the deeper language, or, to reform your translator's actions and shaping. to remove the rose colored glasses of the avatar's interpretations.

This requires clearing the ego influence. This requires re-shaping the depths of the self and the pattern of growth of the filter or translation system.

[Jake]

Check out the lyrics to this song, and tell me this fellow isn't having OBEs! I met him at the Seattle Center once, and again, randomly at a bar.

Hush now, don't you cry
Wipe away the teardrop from your eye
You're lying safe in bed
It was all a bad dream
Spinning in your head
Your mind tricked you to feel the pain
Of someone close to you leaving the game of life
So here it is, another chance
Wide awake you face the day
Your dream is over... or has it just begun?

There's a place I like to hide
A doorway that I run through in the night
Relax child, you were there
But only didn't realize and you were scared
It's a place where you will learn
To face your fears, retrace the years
And ride the whims of your mind
Commanding in another world
Suddenly you hear and see
This magic new dimension

I- will be watching over you
I- am gonna help you see it through
I- will protect you in the night
I- am smiling next to you, in Silent Lucidity

-spoken during solo-
[Visualize your dream]
[Record it in the present tense]
[Put it into a permanent form]
[If you persist in your efforts]
[You can achieve dream control]
[Dream control]
[I'll do better than that]
[Dream control]
[Dream control]
[Dream control]
[Dream control]
[Help me]

If you open your mind for me
You won't rely on open eyes to see
The walls you built within
Come tumbling down, and a new world will begin
Living twice at once you learn
You're safe from pain in the dream domain
A soul set free to fly
A round trip journey in your head
Master of illusion, can you realize
Your dream's alive, you can be the guide but...

I- will be watching over you
I- am gonna help to see it through
I- will protect you in the night
I- am smiling next to you....


Nick Tate,,, Queensryche

[Fred Steeves]

Hi Jake. Yeah, I always did like that song back in the day, even though I never really paid attention to the words. Recently while jamming it on Youtube I Googled the lyrics and was stunned. This kind of stuff was not really out there back in '90. Hell, David Icke was still asleep then. Shows how late most of us are to the party huh? My favorite line is "There's a place I like to hide, a doorway that I run through in the night".

There's much more to those lyrics than just oobe's too.

Also, it's funny how we happen to run into people in bars. In the early 90's me and a buddy ran into Robbie Krieger in a swanky little whiskey bar in downtown Clearwater. I also later on met me lovely wife while trolling the bar scene, although it wasn't a swanky bar...LOL.

Thanks for bringing that song to light here Jake, good connection!!

Cheers,
Fred

[Jake]

Hi Jake. Yeah, I always did like that song back in the day, even though I never really paid attention to the words. Recently while jamming it on Youtube I Googled the lyrics and was stunned. This kind of stuff was not really out there back in '90. Hell, David Icke was still asleep then. Shows how late most of us are to the party huh? My favorite line is "There's a place I like to hide, a doorway that I run through in the night".

There's much more to those lyrics than just oobe's too.

Also, it's funny how we happen to run into people in bars. In the early 90's me and a buddy ran into Robbie Krieger in a swanky little whiskey bar in downtown Clearwater. I also later on met me lovely wife while trolling the bar scene, although it wasn't a swanky bar...LOL.

Thanks for bringing that song to light here Jake, good connection!!

Cheers,
Fred

Yes, thank you. Much more than OBEs, of course. :)

I like this part:

It's a place where you will learn
To face your fears, retrace the years
And ride the whims of your mind
Commanding in another world
Suddenly you hear and see
This magic new dimension!!

Aint that the truth!!! :)

[HORIZONS]

Great song - thanks for posting!
For those that do not know this song...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LniY0pDQGaE

[Fred Steeves]

Hi Jake. Yeah, I always did like that song back in the day, even though I never really paid attention to the words. Recently while jamming it on Youtube I Googled the lyrics and was stunned. This kind of stuff was not really out there back in '90. Hell, David Icke was still asleep then. Shows how late most of us are to the party huh? My favorite line is "There's a place I like to hide, a doorway that I run through in the night".

There's much more to those lyrics than just oobe's too.

Also, it's funny how we happen to run into people in bars. In the early 90's me and a buddy ran into Robbie Krieger in a swanky little whiskey bar in downtown Clearwater. I also later on met me lovely wife while trolling the bar scene, although it wasn't a swanky bar...LOL.

Thanks for bringing that song to light here Jake, good connection!!

Cheers,
Fred

Yes, thank you. Much more than OBEs, of course. :)

I like this part:

It's a place where you will learn
To face your fears, retrace the years
And ride the whims of your mind
Commanding in another world
Suddenly you hear and see
This magic new dimension!!

Aint that the truth!!! :)

I actually hesitated to even point out one line, because there's so much good stuff in the song like the line you quote there Jake. Sometimes tears come to my eyes when I think of the line:

You're safe from pain in the dream domain
A soul set free to fly

Wow, a soul set free to fly... Got a ring to it doesn't it? Isn't THAT what we at Avalon are all about when it comes right down to it? It's been a long time since we rock n' rolled. I really don't think it's even confined to the dream domain any more....Time to think big...Really big.....

[starsha]

I am jumping in here quite late, but i am really excited to find this thread, and i had to join. :) I really resonate with what everyone is sharing here ...


ok, for the meat of the thread. I also experience travelling of sorts, but what I first experience is an expansion, then a very intense sensation of movement, like falling or flying. My sense of self expands as well, into a much larger 'me'. Like, maybe, 15 feet tall larger. And from there I can do it again and again. I wind up with a height relative to the sun where the planet is about the size of a grapefruit. I've not seen any contributions along these lines and was hesitant to mix it up, but I watched the awesome oobe video again and it left me so cheerful, I said "what the heck."

Purple Lama this is very much how my experience works, i often feel an expansion first, the expansion often happens so quickly that i don't even feel the sense of 'slipping out' (though sometimes i do) i can be in the expanded state now while awake and aware and walking around. I feel like i am a giant (at times i can be about 50 feet or more) and somehow able to move the pea sized body down below. In this state it is very clear that all of humanity is connected as one consciousness expressing itself in countless variations.




I'm wondering if anyone wants to try to "meet" while OOB? I've been wanting to try that for a long time but haven't been able to find anyone else with the ability to go OOB.



Hi Allura, let's give it a shot. I have no idea how to do it, but then again that probably doesn't matter.

Cheers,
Fred

I have tried this with friends in the past with some pretty amazing results, i would also be open to trying this with anyone who is interested. It's weird because last night i had a very mystical type dream and woke up in a profound state of consciousness, as i was waking up i 'saw' someone in the room with me, and my first thought was that someone from this forum was visiting me, and giving me a boost. So if that's true, thanks to whoever it was. ;)

Also, someone mentioned about seeing symbols when returning from other dimensions, this is also something i have experienced MANY times. I don't know what they all mean, but to me they often look like complex geometric patterns. The more i experiment with looking at them and feeling into them the more it feels like they are frequency messages. I haven't been able to de-code them in the sense of a language, but i am at the point where i can feel into the frequency at an essence level and 'know' when they mean based on the feeling, or the vibration of them. After i have a strong sense of the feeling of the symbol on a frequency level, i can then get into a meditative state and write about what it feels like. It often comes through in a poetic sort of style, and usually a message about eternal consciousness and unconditional love.

Thanks for everyone for sharing this great information,
Starsha

[starsha]

Amazing experiences. Welcome to Avalon, by the way. Your descriptions of being out of body are spot on. Thank you. I often have much more lucid experienced during an afternoon nap. Bi-location is not an easy thing to 'get used to'. It has caused a lot of panic for me. I think it is because I wanted to be in control, and I was not. I have learned that it is best to relax, and go with the flow. There are definitely multiple aspects of 'self' operating simultaneously.


I found myself away from my body but i was completely blind, i could not see anything but i could navigate myself by touching the nearby objects in the room. Now here is the trick, I was also conscious in my physical body and from there i could see clearly what was going on around me.

A perfect example of bi-location. Being awake and aware in both 'spaces'. Amazing. I was in the middle of an event like that once, when suddenly, I (we, I whatever) both aspects became aware of an intrusion from 'dreaming mind'. All of the sudden, more dense, abstract, dream-imagery came flowing in. I lost both aspects of that event to the dream that 'took over'. Dreaming mind/waking mind/sleeping mind/projected mind. I get the feeling that there is no end to this 'rabbit hole'. How many ME's are out there? This is a frightening concept! The implications are staggering. Somewhere, on some level that we do not understand,,, we really ARE one! I like what Carmody said about taking a snapshot, and rolling it out through time and space to experience it in the physical. That 'snapshot' being the creative template that becomes our physical reality. You will see it when you believe it! ;)


When i got up i immediately checked the door only to find that the left frame had a place where the paint wore off and thus it was feeling rough on touch. Funny how i realized i should repaint that door frame only because i found this out by my astral exploration of my own home.

Ha! immediate and practical application of OBE. I love it!

Thank you for sharing. I keep a dream/OBE journal by my bed at all times. Waking up and writing down your impressions or dreams,, sends a powerful message to your higher self, that you want to remember.

Jake: i so love the way you described the feeling of seeing the 'rabbit hole' ... i have been in similar states, it's like looking into two mirrors facing each other and seeing the never ending fractal of possibilities. How i see it ... is that there is one consciousness, and as it fluctuates, or moves in anyway, it becomes then a unique variation. it is still the same consciousness, but the variation is unique, kind of like how a snowflake is always snow, even though it's shape is always unique.

One day i was meditating and this oneness became very obvious to me, this one consciousness was literally all i could see (i was meditating in an airport while waiting for a flight) when i opened my eyes from my meditation all i could see was this one consciousness everywhere. It was like watching an animated cartoon and figuring out that there is really only one voice animating all the many characters, even though this one voice is really gifted at making its pitch and tone sound different, there really is only one voice.

I stayed in that state for a long time just watching the people walk by, seeing the 'one voice' animating all the different characters. I have never forgotten the experience or how that felt, since then it is also much easier to be in both the expanded state and also moving the body 'down there' at the same time. I am not sure if this is bi-location or if it is something else though.

Thanks for being here, i love how you share this stuff so openly. :)

[HORIZONS]

Starsha - I have had similar experiences as you describe. When this happens there is no denying it. Thank You for sharing your experience.

[Fred Steeves]

I'm wondering if anyone wants to try to "meet" while OOB? I've been wanting to try that for a long time but haven't been able to find anyone else with the ability to go OOB.



Hi Allura, let's give it a shot. I have no idea how to do it, but then again that probably doesn't matter.

Cheers,
Fred

I have tried this with friends in the past with some pretty amazing results, i would also be open to trying this with anyone who is interested. It's weird because last night i had a very mystical type dream and woke up in a profound state of consciousness, as i was waking up i 'saw' someone in the room with me, and my first thought was that someone from this forum was visiting me, and giving me a boost. So if that's true, thanks to whoever it was. ;)



I like that people are wanting to "meet up", that's really cool. The thought just occured to me that if more want to do this, maybe it's better to concentrate on a meeting "place" for all concerned, rather than trying to keep individuals in mind all the time. For instance, for me anyway, there can be an awesome oobe, then nothing else for weeks. Or it could be several times in one week, just no planning for anything..Ya with me?

I could easily forget names here involved in our little experiment over time, but not a rendezvous point. What do ya'll think of that? Any suggestions Jake, Carmody?

Cheers,
Fred

[starsha]

Starsha - I have had similar experiences as you describe. When this happens there is no denying it. Thank You for sharing your experience.

oh yes exactly ... you just can't be fooled anymore, no matter how amazingly well the play is done (and it is amazingly well done) you just can't buy into it anymore. Thank you also for sharing!

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I'm wondering if anyone wants to try to "meet" while OOB? I've been wanting to try that for a long time but haven't been able to find anyone else with the ability to go OOB.



Hi Allura, let's give it a shot. I have no idea how to do it, but then again that probably doesn't matter.

Cheers,
Fred

I have tried this with friends in the past with some pretty amazing results, i would also be open to trying this with anyone who is interested. It's weird because last night i had a very mystical type dream and woke up in a profound state of consciousness, as i was waking up i 'saw' someone in the room with me, and my first thought was that someone from this forum was visiting me, and giving me a boost. So if that's true, thanks to whoever it was. ;)



I like that people are wanting to "meet up", that's really cool. The thought just occured to me that if more want to do this, maybe it's better to concentrate on a meeting "place" for all concerned, rather than trying to keep individuals in mind all the time. For instance, for me anyway, there can be an awesome oobe, then nothing else for weeks. Or it could be several times in one week, just no planning for anything..Ya with me?

I could easily forget names here involved in our little experiment over time, but not a rendezvous point. What do ya'll think of that? Any suggestions Jake, Carmody?

Cheers,
Fred

Good idea Fred, i like the thought of a 'place' ... did you have somewhere in mind? How about the great pyramid? :)

[Fred Steeves]

Good idea Fred, i like the thought of a 'place' ... did you have somewhere in mind? How about the great pyramid? :)

I like the great pyramid idea starsha, but just one thing bothers me that I would like to hear from people much more experienced than me at this stuff. Maybe that would be you? Anyway, the reason I put "place" in quotes is because I just wind up "places", there's as of yet no will involved. I can now finally become aware once I FIND myself "there", but there's no choice in where "there" is...Oh Gawd, does this make a lick of sense? LOL.:noidea:

Maybe what I'm getting at is that for a person who is just learning control like me, a "virtual there" may be easier? Dunno...Now I've confused myself...

Cheers,
Fred

[PurpleLama]

how about a random place, each week, that one person chooses and PMs the location to a list of those who sign up. That way we would be less likely to receive "interference". To publicly make arrangements would be asking for it, possibly.

[Carmody]

Purple Lama this is very much how my experience works, i often feel an expansion first, the expansion often happens so quickly that i don't even feel the sense of 'slipping out' (though sometimes i do) i can be in the expanded state now while awake and aware and walking around. I feel like i am a giant (at times i can be about 50 feet or more) and somehow able to move the pea sized body down below. In this state it is very clear that all of humanity is connected as one consciousness expressing itself in countless variations.

Thanks for everyone for sharing this great information,
Starsha

I had that happen once, when I had left the car, and was on my way to a Steppenwolf Show. I had just smoked some weed that we were warned was exceedingly potent. Somewhere in the area of 25% of the mass of the buds was canibinoids. The most potent extra-physical experience that I've ever had with weed. I felt like my head was on about a 60-70 ft twine, and my awareness was a balloon about 20-30 ft behind me and about a good 50 feet up. :p I was in both places, as per usual.

Of course, with weed, no rem sleep, no obe connections, no dreams. All the chemical pre-cursors are used up from the stressing of the weed smoking and what the body endures from this act of smoking -is my take on it.

The body and thus the vibratory state has to re tune back to natural rhythm and motions/acts/cycle... and then the REM can take place and the door opens -again. Weed gives a temporary, controllable (ego demands control) half way ability ---at the cost of self development and the real one.

[Jake]

I have done some experimenting with this. The way that it worked for me (and a friend) was to lay 'signposts'. Something that can be easily recognized by both (or more) people. It can be something simple, like,, lets say,,, a light post, with a lantern hanging from it. Or, a small clearing in a field with a picnic blanket. Something that both parties will see, and remember in the astral/dreaming worlds.

Or you can simply say each others names,,, you will more than likely 'sync up' with little or no effort. Signposts are not required, as it is the act of reaching out for anothers 'energy signature' that will make this work. Laying signposts will help, as it is a place that you can return to if you 'get lost' during your adventure.

Getting permissions on the physical seems to be quite important too.

I will keep all of this in mind, and enter into the experiment too. I love it. As long as we all agree that it is okay to enter each others 'space', I think we will be okay.
It is a different experience altogether if we do not agree to it.

I am IN...

[Fred Steeves]

As long as we all agree that it is okay to enter each others 'space', I think we will be okay.
It is a different experience altogether if we do not agree to it.

I am IN...

O.K., I've decided this doesn't have to be that complicated, sometimes I just give the left brain a bit too much leeway.:frusty: Every night I'm just going to remind myself to meet up with anyone from Avalon should the timing be right. Warning though, being a prankster, I may sneak up from behind and go BOO!!! LOL.

Cheers,
Fred


I'M IN.:eyebrows:

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What a great thread Jake..

I feel this is soo right for me to learn OBE, i seem to remember dreams every night now.

But dreams are dreams, to consciously have an OBE well all i can say is wow...

Thanks for inspiring me....:)

[HORIZONS]

Let's meet for drinks at the Bar next to the Park on focus level 27 - we can cruise from there (lol). I'm in if anyone wants to meet up for a night out on the Astral Universe.

[starsha]

As long as we all agree that it is okay to enter each others 'space', I think we will be okay.
It is a different experience altogether if we do not agree to it.

I am IN...

O.K., I've decided this doesn't have to be that complicated, sometimes I just give the left brain a bit too much leeway.:frusty: Every night I'm just going to remind myself to meet up with anyone from Avalon should the timing be right. Warning though, being a prankster, I may sneak up from behind and go BOO!!! LOL.

Cheers,
Fred


I'M IN.:eyebrows:

I'M IN :panda:

[ghostrider]

I had a lucid dream/ obe last night aug 31-2011, went thru a tunnel came out in rome near the vatican, over the top of a castle and fireworks went off and a portal opened into space where I could instantly be anywhere just by the intent of thought !!! I' m new at this, infant stage but WOW................. if you wanna know what I did, here it is, say to yourself just before lying down - my mind will stay awake when my body goes to sleep... lay flat on your back -- no heavy covers- arms at your side relaxed-- breathe deeply and focus on your breathing-- you will hear/feel vibrations your vibrations raising-- don't panic relax and allow--- at this point breathe normal your higher self will take over and just flow with whatever happens don't try n understand it, or reason with it, or question, just EXPERIENCE IT --- let it take you WHERE EVER FOR HOW EVER LONG JUST RELAX AND ALLOW AND GO WITH THE FLOW-- the ptb are afraid humans will develop this inner abiltiy you already have, yes each one of you have this ability, thus the reason for the world being the way it is CONTROLLED... red meat,movies, negativity, cell phone frequency, radio frequency, chemicals in bath products, floride, chem trails it's all to CONTROL YOU from being an electromagnetic spiritual being of light and freedom... learn to OBE and develop this and watch the vibrations of earth change for the better, while thinking about typing this earlier a butterfly landed on me and stayed for 10 minutes we were friends, it said thanks for the shade. it was hot outside, I know it sounds crazy stupid freak boy stuff but the OBE IS REAL AND YOU CAN DO IT......... FLY MY FELLOW AVALONIANS FLY TO ANYWHERE FLY AND BE FREE KNOW YOURSELF IN ONENESSS WITH EVERYTHING......

[HORIZONS]

I had a lucid dream/ obe last night aug 31-2011, went thru a tunnel came out in rome near the vatican, over the top of a castle and fireworks went off and a portal opened into space where I could instantly be anywhere just by the intent of thought !!! I' m new at this, infant stage but WOW................. if you wanna know what I did, here it is, say to yourself just before lying down - my mind will stay awake when my body goes to sleep... lay flat on your back -- no heavy covers- arms at your side relaxed-- breathe deeply and focus on your breathing-- you will hear/feel vibrations your vibrations raising-- don't panic relax and allow--- at this point breathe normal your higher self will take over and just flow with whatever happens don't try n understand it, or reason with it, or question, just EXPERIENCE IT --- let it take you WHERE EVER FOR HOW EVER LONG JUST RELAX AND ALLOW AND GO WITH THE FLOW-- the ptb are afraid humans will develop this inner abiltiy you already have, yes each one of you have this ability, thus the reason for the world being the way it is CONTROLLED... red meat,movies, negativity, cell phone frequency, radio frequency, chemicals in bath products, floride, chem trails it's all to CONTROL YOU from being an electromagnetic spiritual being of light and freedom... learn to OBE and develop this and watch the vibrations of earth change for the better, while thinking about typing this earlier a butterfly landed on me and stayed for 10 minutes we were friends, it said thanks for the shade. it was hot outside, I know it sounds crazy stupid freak boy stuff but the OBE IS REAL AND YOU CAN DO IT......... FLY MY FELLOW AVALONIANS FLY TO ANYWHERE FLY AND BE FREE KNOW YOURSELF IN ONENESSS WITH EVERYTHING......

Rock on ghostrider, and many more happy trails to you - here is a tune just for you!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cukCx1BY-CQ

[Jake]

I had a lucid dream/ obe last night aug 31-2011, went thru a tunnel came out in rome near the vatican, over the top of a castle and fireworks went off and a portal opened into space where I could instantly be anywhere just by the intent of thought !!! I' m new at this, infant stage but WOW................. if you wanna know what I did, here it is, say to yourself just before lying down - my mind will stay awake when my body goes to sleep... lay flat on your back -- no heavy covers- arms at your side relaxed-- breathe deeply and focus on your breathing-- you will hear/feel vibrations your vibrations raising-- don't panic relax and allow--- at this point breathe normal your higher self will take over and just flow with whatever happens don't try n understand it, or reason with it, or question, just EXPERIENCE IT --- let it take you WHERE EVER FOR HOW EVER LONG JUST RELAX AND ALLOW AND GO WITH THE FLOW-- the ptb are afraid humans will develop this inner abiltiy you already have, yes each one of you have this ability, thus the reason for the world being the way it is CONTROLLED... red meat,movies, negativity, cell phone frequency, radio frequency, chemicals in bath products, floride, chem trails it's all to CONTROL YOU from being an electromagnetic spiritual being of light and freedom... learn to OBE and develop this and watch the vibrations of earth change for the better, while thinking about typing this earlier a butterfly landed on me and stayed for 10 minutes we were friends, it said thanks for the shade. it was hot outside, I know it sounds crazy stupid freak boy stuff but the OBE IS REAL AND YOU CAN DO IT......... FLY MY FELLOW AVALONIANS FLY TO ANYWHERE FLY AND BE FREE KNOW YOURSELF IN ONENESSS WITH EVERYTHING......

Yes,, yes yes YES!!! That is what I am talking about. Awesome OOBE, Ghostrider,,, "The joy I feel inside!" (from the Awesome OOBE vid.) You summed it all up. Everyone can learn to do this. It is not about teaching it to others,,, it is more about embracing the experience and telling it to others, as to INSPIRE their own fully conscious OBE's. :)

You have made some excellent points here. The best advice I can ever give to someone is to 'relax into the sensations'. You WILL get disassociative sensations and/or energy body sensations that will feel intense and strange,, but it is important to not react to them. Relax and go with the flow. These Energy Body Sensations (EBS) are not just simple things that esoteric folks talk about. They are real. Part of the awakening of consciousness will have to do with the discover of ourselves, and the potential that we have, and our energy bodies. Chi energy, spiritual energy,,, it is real. You can learn to feel the energy moving in and around your physical body counterpart. You can move it and control it and manifest it as physical energy.

Affirmations can be important too. Speaking out loud that you are more than your physical body, has powerful effects.

Learn to train yourself to stay on that borderline between sleep and awake. Here is one method,,, you can all use it if you want to. :) I call it the Slap Jake Method.

Fall asleep on your back with one of your hands in the air. Try and stay awake! But allow yourself to 'crossover' once or twice. You will see that when you do, your hand will drop and smack yourself in the face. (It's okay to laugh...) I learned this on accident, having contests with my brother when we were kids to see who could hold their hand up the longest. I usually would be startled awake with someone smacking me in the face,,, followed by my brother laughing from across the room. Of course, it was my own hand. Other times I would hear the sound of a 'smack' and start laughing because I knew that it was HIM being smacked by HIMSELF. The point is that I got used to bringing myself just to the edge of sleep, and hanging on, and extending that mental state. (You might come up with something a bit less 'smacky'...) The borderline sleepstate is the platform from which we project from.

Here is another video that is part of an entire series of vids that I checked out in this thread... http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29297-Spirit-ual--Science


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqVV2u_1ADA


@FredS and Starsha,,, I wanted to comment a bit further on the experimentation we are doing regarding joint OBEs and/or interaction in the Astral. I have always had mixed results when trying to interact with someone who was awake in 'real time', while I was out of body. Many times I am able to see what someone is doing. I can never get anybodies attention. I will try waving my hands around as much as I want, but I am just a ghost to them. Okay,,, There are plenty of other times, when I a able to get the attention of their,, lets say,, astral double. It is not the 'physical' them that I get the attention of. (But I am no longer experiencing the physical, anyways, right?) So how would I know if I am interacting with the physical or the astral double? and how is there an astral double, if they are awake and aware in the physical? Well,, first of all,, linear time is not the same, Do no be surprised if someone comes up to you YEARS later and says, "I am sure that I saw you in my house last night,, you were trying to get my attention!!". Second,, we project ourselves outside of our bodies all of the frickin time. Not just when we sleep, but all the time. We could be in the physical, walking down the sidewalk and thinking about something happening somewhere else. While our physical waking minds will not experience it,, our astral double will be out and about, exploring the very thing that you were thinking about while walking down the sidewalk. The memories are integrated in a way that is seamless, and without our noticing. OKAY!! When we agree to meet up like this,, (in the astral) We begin to allow ourselves to experience bi-location. and bi-experiences. We always keep an astral counterpart open and ready for our joint OBE experiences. (For all we know, our astral counterparts are exploring together, even now!)

The reason that I bring all of this up is because we are going to have 'hit and miss' results with these experiments. It can be discouraging. Last night I woke paralyzed and experiencing the torso 'rush' which always leads to a short quick inward breath,,, like a very exciting moment will do,,, ;) I was distracted by that,, and became a bit defensive (fearful) It was dark and the only light that I found was a dimly lit lantern hanging from a light post. There were others there,,, but I did not remember to think about our experiments. I DID as soon as I sat up in bed afterward. You see? Synchronizing our intentions will have mixed results, so just be aware of that.

I have to go for now,, More later.

[Jake]

Here is a cool article about the history of OBEs.. Part of the reason that most people to not remember their OBEs has to do with the controls put in place by Religion and Science and Government. As these control systems break down,, so will our insistence of experiencing our realities EXCLUSIVELY via our physical counterpart.

History of Out-of-body experiences

Wagner Alegretti

From: http://www.iacworld.org/English/Resources/Articles/HistoryOfOBE.asp

We are always reflecting upon astral projections, its benefits, techniques, and consequences, but we find it important to emphasize that this phenomenon, also known as astral travel, out-of-body experience, or conscious projection, is as natural as being human, and as old as humanity – perhaps even more ancient than this. Leaving the body is as natural as breathing or sleeping. It is part of life, and also of the less evolved life forms.

Many people that leave their body, or have left their body, relate that they see their domestic animals, like dogs, projected and active outside their bodies. If an animal today is able to leave its body, we can conclude that primitive men living in caves experimented with the same phenomenon.

Throughout history, there is diverse documentation of astral projections. These relations give us an idea of the universal character of this capacity of leaving the body. We will give some examples of cases, to expand the knowledge regarding this topic.

For example, we will find that the more remote evidences appear in Ancient Egypt, between 5,000 and 3,000 years ago. The Egyptian priests knew of the existence of the astral body. They called it the Kha and they left inscriptions and drawings on the rock walls of many temples and buildings, representing it as something subtle and light abandoning the physical body. During this time, the initiations were created, which were in fact trials of the individual and its capacity to leave the body and present him/herself partially or totally materialized in front of a group of persons.

In Ancient Greece, we see references in the Temple of Eleusis, in the writings of the philosophers Plato, Hermotimus of Clazomene, Herodotus, and in some reports of the historian Plutarch of Queroneia. Plutarch tells us of the story of Arisdeu, which took place in the 79th year of the first century. Arisdeu was a dishonest individual with a bad reputation in his community. He suffered an accident where he fell and hit his head against a rock, resulting in a coma which lasted a couple of days. During this coma, Arisdeu perceived himself outside his body. He found himself with his helper, or spiritual guide, and talked to her. During this experience, Arisdeu also saw another dimension which was inhabited by consciousnesses with little equilibrium and stayed to examine them. Then, at a certain moment, he felt a force pulling him back inside his body. Arisdeu woke up in the physical plane at the moment in which he was about to be buried. One can imagine the reaction of the community. Nevertheless, since this experience, Arisdeu changed his ethics, values, and behavior, transforming himself into a respected citizen valued in his community. Today we can clearly understand that he had a near-death-experience, which is actually becoming more and more common now.

It is worthwhile to state that in the Bible there are various evidences of cases of conscious projections such as in Ezequiel, III:14; Apocalypse of Juan, 1:10 and 11; 4:2; as well as in Epistles of Pablo of Tarsus (II Corynthios, 12:2).

Continuing our history, we see that during the Middle Ages, due to the great repression of the Inquisition, the conscious projection was practiced, studied, and known only within certain schools or secret societies. Likewise, after the end of the Inquisition, these esoteric and occult movements continued to hide information from the population, inclusively creating the basis for current myths and lies about the dangers of astral projections, maintaining the old structure of power and hierarchy.

In the 18th and 19th centuries, we had three great pioneers of this study that made the first efforts in popularizing astral travel, even publishing books on the subject. They were the Swedish philosopher Emmanuel Swedenborg; the French writer and novelist Honore de Balzac, with his story “Louis Lambert”; and the Frenchman Allan Kardec, creator of spiritism. Other names throughout history are: Apollonius of Tyana, Antonio of Padua, Padre Pío and Sai Baba.

In truth, the most serious thing this discussion reveals to us is that the phenomenon of the out-of-body experience is ancient and universal. We observe that different persons throughout history had experiences and continue to have them more and more. These experiences occur in persons independently of their culture, education, financial situation, religion, credo, sex, or age. The out-of-body experience is positive and beneficial. Thus, it is important to stop the brain washings that have been done throughout the ages due to ignorance on the topic. Today there is a science, Projectiology, for the purpose of studying this phenomenon. Any person can develop its capacities, perceptions and self control, getting to the point of having a conscious astral projection.

Read more: http://www.meta-religion.com/Paranormale/OBE/history_of_obe_experiences.htm#ixzz1WuKolHfo

[aranuk]

Jake I downloaded Robert Bruce's PDF on Astral projection a few weeks ago. I have been trying to do it at night and in the morning as I awake but no success so far. I will keep you posted on my endeavours.
Thank you for all your wonderful posts with help for a beginner like me. I MUST accomplish this, it is my right.

Stan

[Orion.V]

Jake I downloaded Robert Bruce's PDF on Astral projection a few weeks ago. I have been trying to do it at night and in the morning as I awake but no success so far. I will keep you posted on my endeavours.
Thank you for all your wonderful posts with help for a beginner like me. I MUST accomplish this, it is my right.

Stan

May i also recommend that you check the work of Robert Monroe ? He was also among the pioneers in this field. Also check YouTube for some quick lessons and also check this http://www.monroeinstitute.org/

Also be patient! For some people it comes faster for others it needs more work and dedication.
Good luck in your journeys !!!

[Carmody]

I find that the preparation involves always writing down my dreams, and then I'm in the mode where the connection to that space or mode - is more immediate.

I look at the sheet or papers with the dreams written on them every few days at most, always making sure the memory of them is never lost...but slowly becoming a permanent channel in my mind. I read the description, close my eyes and remember the dream again, never letting it fade.

Point is to not just write the dreams down but to make them into permanent memories through recall, so they don't fade..and thus the mode or dual state becomes more permanent, easier to reach. This, to me, will cascade into OBE's, of it's own accord, with some bits of will behind it.

There's more to it, but that is a good start, IMO.

[Jake]

I just woke from a nap. It is 7:50pm.. I just had, what I call, a 'cluster' OBE. Which is several 'exits' and 're-entries'. The exits were all seamless with no snags. After waking to exit sensations, I just moved slowly and delicately and I was out of mee body. I was very excited! I went straight passed my fiance, who was watching Willow on the Teli,, thru the front door, and out into the front yard. I was looking at my hands,, watching them melt. Yes, your hands will melt if you stare at them! :) I had put my hand through the wall on my way out the door, and I did not lose vision when I went through the door. (I will many times lose vision, randomly, or going thru walls and doors.) I was quite lucid and comfortable. There was a bi-location effect happening, because I could still hear Willow on the TV, but now was outside in the astral. I said outloud,, "I demand, and expect to be taken to the home of the person that I know as Bollinger!" (Sometimes, this is all that it takes,) I waited for a second in anticipation of some of the 'portals' that have shown themselves in past OBEs, but nothing came. I said, outloud I request the help from my higher self,, I desire to be at the home of the person that I know as Bollinger!! I even stretched out and closed mee astral eyes. Upon opening them, I was in another place for a split second. A long Hallway with doors on both sides. It was a house, and the doors were bedroom doors, there were 4 bedrooms,, two on each side of the hall. It was a bit dark, and I was pausing, waiting for my sight to 'adjust'. Just then, I was back in mee body.

I moved slowly and deliberately back out of mee body, and out into the front yard again. My plan, this time, was to relocate myself ANYWHERE just to see if I could! I was lucid enough to experiment with why my experiment was not working. I looked up into the astral sky! There was a sun to the west, and a sun to the north. TWO SUNS!! I was distracted a bit by the two suns, and wondered if one of them were my, lets say, 'watchers'. (They are lights and small craft that often show themselves during an ObE.) I was looking back and forth between the two suns, and found myself back in mee body!

I moved slowly, out and about once more. It seemed like about 10 or 15 minutes had past, and I was still awake and lucid, yet out of my body. I was getting frustrated by NOT being able to IP (instantly project) ANYWHERE... I spent some time flying around my neighborhood a bit. I went into the field where my personal UFO resides. (another experiment of mine) It was there!! I was not going to try and take it for a ride, as my lucidity was failing, and things were getting 'dreamy', and I knew that I did not have much more time in this etheric layer of the Astral. When that happens, I lose the memory of it, so I decided to call it quits. In a moment, I was back in mee body. I lay there and remember the whole thing, before I wrote it down in my journal, and then rushed to the computer to update this thread.

I don't know why I am being inhibited from my goals, but I will stay at it. I sometimes will need to try several times before I get a good 'hit'.

I am going outside, now, to trace my steps and look into the sky. I am curious about the two suns,, one was where it was supposed to be,, the other was just plain curious.

More later. Jake.

[starsha]

I have had 3 OBE’s since we agreed to ‘meet up’ here. I really love Jake’s suggestions that we share our direct experiences with each other. That really diffuses the notion that there is a ‘right way’ or a ‘wrong way’ to travel, I am sure there are as many variations on how to travel as there are unique human beings.

The first experience for me was on the same day we agreed to meet up. I was lying in the sun and started to feel the familiar ‘slipping out’ feeling. For me how it seems to work is that I can’t hold a thought once I am out, so I have been experimenting with holding the last thought before ‘leaving’ with a very clear and solid intention. As I felt the slipping feeling, I grabbed the first thing I could find, so I could try and hold it as long as possible. The first thought that came was Jake. I tried to picture him, and hold the intention to ‘find him’ as long as I could; then as per usual, as soon as I was out, the mind went empty and peaceful.

I am not sure where I ended up, but I did see what I thought to be Jake (may have been his astral double as he pointed out) the closer I got to him the more I realized that something about his energy was like a magnetic pull for me. I saw him as an anchor point, holding a certain frequency and that he was pulling me closer with his energy somehow. As I got to where I felt I needed to be I stopped and took my focus off of him, I ‘looked’ around and saw about 50 other ‘anchor points’ (people anchoring energy) in that area.

All of the anchor points were magnetically pulling or drawing together the ones of like frequency. I saw us all coming together in harmony, as if being pulled together by a really strong and powerful magnetic force. It almost looked geometric or something as I was watching it. I couldn’t make out if any of these other people were people from this forum or not, but I imagine so.

My best guess to interpreting what I saw is that the people who are anchoring that ‘pulling together’ frequency are the people who are holding an intention of unity consciousness. I am sure there are way more than 50 people doing this on the planet right now, but that’s just how many I saw that day.

What I typically find is that I see what I see when I am ‘out’ for a reason, and usually as life unfolds and some time passes, the pieces fall into place and a deeper understanding comes.

I will write about the other two experiences in a bit. Thanks to everyone for making this possible. :)

[Bollinger]

Hi Jake,

The list of words is still on my desk waiting for you. Hope you can find your way here soon.

Thanks

Bollinger

[FrankoL]

I find that the preparation involves always writing down my dreams, and then I'm in the mode where the connection to that space or mode - is more immediate.

I look at the sheet or papers with the dreams written on them every few days at most, always making sure the memory of them is never lost...but slowly becoming a permanent channel in my mind. I read the description, close my eyes and remember the dream again, never letting it fade.

Point is to not just write the dreams down but to make them into permanent memories through recall, so they don't fade..and thus the mode or dual state becomes more permanent, easier to reach. This, to me, will cascade into OBE's, of it's own accord, with some bits of will behind it.

There's more to it, but that is a good start, IMO.

Dream state is a sort of OBE. Yes, you practice it, whether you want it or not. Do you remember your dreams? Well, this is a good point, isn’t it? What color are they? Black & White? Man, you are f+++ up. Are they clear? Good for you!

In my POV main difference between dream and OBE is lucidity. In addition lucidity may ruin all “god stuff” when you are "out there". You break your connection to your unconsciousness - higher self. That simply means 3d understanding & man thinking within dream state. Yep, you are free; you can do whatever you wish. Wise? Well, I can’t tell…

However it is always good to write down your dreams, however I prefer to remember them. Never know when DejaVu may occur. When it does you recognize the situation, so to speak. You realize and understand importance of the message. This is a true added value to your life (a gem). Remember.

Exploring OBE state with technique is controlled distraction. Free XXX. I am sorry to say that, it is just my POV.

[trenairio]

i dunno, dreams are just a subconscious thing, hard to prove OBE without the right instruments?

[FrankoL]

i dunno, dreams are just a subconscious thing, hard to prove OBE without the right instruments?

dream = not aware you have left your body
lucid dream = not aware you have left your body + manipulate dream state
OBE = lucidity when leaving the body + manipulate

[Allura]

I have done some experimenting with this. The way that it worked for me (and a friend) was to lay 'signposts'. Something that can be easily recognized by both (or more) people. It can be something simple, like,, lets say,,, a light post, with a lantern hanging from it. Or, a small clearing in a field with a picnic blanket. Something that both parties will see, and remember in the astral/dreaming worlds.

Or you can simply say each others names,,, you will more than likely 'sync up' with little or no effort. Signposts are not required, as it is the act of reaching out for anothers 'energy signature' that will make this work. Laying signposts will help, as it is a place that you can return to if you 'get lost' during your adventure.

Getting permissions on the physical seems to be quite important too.

I will keep all of this in mind, and enter into the experiment too. I love it. As long as we all agree that it is okay to enter each others 'space', I think we will be okay.
It is a different experience altogether if we do not agree to it.

I am IN...

I agree we all need to give each other permission. I tried visiting a friend the other night but ended up in an office building hallway with endless doors...the only reason I can think of that I wasn't able to reach her is because I didn't get her permission.

I give you all permission to enter my space, as long as your intentions are pure and for the good of all.

[Carmody]

I find that the preparation involves always writing down my dreams, and then I'm in the mode where the connection to that space or mode - is more immediate.

I look at the sheet or papers with the dreams written on them every few days at most, always making sure the memory of them is never lost...but slowly becoming a permanent channel in my mind. I read the description, close my eyes and remember the dream again, never letting it fade.

Point is to not just write the dreams down but to make them into permanent memories through recall, so they don't fade..and thus the mode or dual state becomes more permanent, easier to reach. This, to me, will cascade into OBE's, of it's own accord, with some bits of will behind it.

There's more to it, but that is a good start, IMO.

Dream state is a sort of OBE. Yes, you practice it, whether you want it or not. Do you remember your dreams? Well, this is a good point, isn’t it? What color are they? Black & White? Man, you are f+++ up. Are they clear? Good for you!

In my POV main difference between dream and OBE is lucidity. In addition lucidity may ruin all “god stuff” when you are "out there". You break your connection to your unconsciousness - higher self. That simply means 3d understanding & man thinking within dream state. Yep, you are free; you can do whatever you wish. Wise? Well, I can’t tell…

However it is always good to write down your dreams, however I prefer to remember them. Never know when DejaVu may occur. When it does you recognize the situation, so to speak. You realize and understand importance of the message. This is a true added value to your life (a gem). Remember.

Exploring OBE state with technique is controlled distraction. Free XXX. I am sorry to say that, it is just my POV.

Are you being rude? Or just non supportive of the whole thread? Why this tone, Frank?

For me, Frank..my 'dreams' if I choose to remember them, are a 100% accurate parable, a story version of my coming day. Always. It has yet to fail.

People have to start somewhere, Frank, and each person has different needs and requirements for making that happen. So it is best to vary the potential techniques that are presented to the interested persons.

So dreams can be more than just OBE. FAR more.

And when I do that particular thing, I begin to skip into an ever expanding level of increased temporal awareness, in the conscious state. I even get fully blown waking (in broad daylight) visions of yet to happen events, in time.

[starsha]

I agree we all need to give each other permission. I tried visiting a friend the other night but ended up in an office building hallway with endless doors...the only reason I can think of that I wasn't able to reach her is because I didn't get her permission.

I give you all permission to enter my space, as long as your intentions are pure and for the good of all.

yes i agree, an unsolicited astral visit can be pretty intrusive. ;)

I feel exactly the same as Allura, i give permission to anyone here on this thread to give me an astral visit anytime so long as the intention is pure, or to serve the collective greater good.

Thanks for bringing that up Allura :)

[FrankoL]

I find that the preparation involves always writing down my dreams, and then I'm in the mode where the connection to that space or mode - is more immediate.

I look at the sheet or papers with the dreams written on them every few days at most, always making sure the memory of them is never lost...but slowly becoming a permanent channel in my mind. I read the description, close my eyes and remember the dream again, never letting it fade.

Point is to not just write the dreams down but to make them into permanent memories through recall, so they don't fade..and thus the mode or dual state becomes more permanent, easier to reach. This, to me, will cascade into OBE's, of it's own accord, with some bits of will behind it.

There's more to it, but that is a good start, IMO.

Dream state is a sort of OBE. Yes, you practice it, whether you want it or not. Do you remember your dreams? Well, this is a good point, isn’t it? What color are they? Black & White? Man, you are f+++ up. Are they clear? Good for you!

In my POV main difference between dream and OBE is lucidity. In addition lucidity may ruin all “god stuff” when you are "out there". You break your connection to your unconsciousness - higher self. That simply means 3d understanding & man thinking within dream state. Yep, you are free; you can do whatever you wish. Wise? Well, I can’t tell…

However it is always good to write down your dreams, however I prefer to remember them. Never know when DejaVu may occur. When it does you recognize the situation, so to speak. You realize and understand importance of the message. This is a true added value to your life (a gem). Remember.

Exploring OBE state with technique is controlled distraction. Free XXX. I am sorry to say that, it is just my POV.

Are you being rude? Or just non supportive of the whole thread? Why this tone, Frank?

For me, Frank..my 'dreams' if I choose to remember them, are a 100% accurate parable, a story version of my coming day. Always. It has yet to fail.

People have to start somewhere, Frank, and each person has different needs and requirements for making that happen. So it is best to vary the potential techniques that are presented to the interested persons.

So dreams can be more than just OBE. FAR more.

And when I do that particular thing, I begin to skip into an ever expanding level of increased temporal awareness, in the conscious state. I even get fully blown waking (in broad daylight) visions of yet to happen events, in time.

I am very supportive and I am not rude at all. Sharp tone doesn’t mean anything than that. I am sorry you can't see. I always communicate in general and not on personal level. Sorry if you've been offended.

I know you want to help people, but mostly you help yourself (to be honest). I have stripped myself (you too) in front of everyone but it won’t help others to see. Nonetheless I still believe someone will gain from it as I did from others.

But we have to exchange different angles. Everyone task is to find out the truth. You know, everything is so obvious and in front of your eyes. Most of the work depends on yourself.

The dreams are far more. I couldn't agree more. In essence what I wanted to explain right that in my last message. We don’t want others to think that OBE is “the big deal”, do we?

[<8>]

Hi guys..

Tonight i had many wonderful dreams i remember as i seem to do every night, one dream i was literally fighting to get in to this office. (i dont know why)

Ok here is how i spend my nights as of late, i spend my nights on a couch but it's too short so i wake up 2-3 times a night. (its perfect)
When i wake up i analyze my dreams so i remember them.

Ok here it goes, the third time i was about to go to sleep. Boom i am in this office i dreamt about before, but this is different "i am there" i am thinking "s h i t" its real i am here.
Emidelty i remember not to get excitet, i kept my head low and started to walk and find a way out from there. As i did, this guy stopt me and started to ask alot of questions about why i am leaving and i dont like my jobb here.

I played along and told him i love my work but i have good reasons why have to leav right now. (i was thinking, i dont work here you idiot i have never seen you before)
Anyway this guy dont give up, so i start to get annoyed and i take a really hard and good look at this guy. And one thing caught my eyes, he is wearing my red sweatshirt,
i remember thinking why in the world are you wearing my shirt. And as i did that i whent straight back to my body and woke up.

What do you guys think about this??

[TATODAY]

A Big Ha Ha excellent bit of Editing on the Youtube Clip where Jake has used Bob Dean saying "Now you put that in your pipe and smoke it" to substantiate the previous clips on the reality of the spirit. Loved it. Laughing still now.!

[Carmody]

I am very supportive and I am not rude at all. Sharp tone doesn’t mean anything than that. I am sorry you can't see. I always communicate in general and not on personal level. Sorry if you've been offended.

I know you want to help people, but mostly you help yourself (to be honest). I have stripped myself (you too) in front of everyone but it won’t help others to see. Nonetheless I still believe someone will gain from it as I did from others.

But we have to exchange different angles. Everyone task is to find out the truth. You know, everything is so obvious and in front of your eyes. Most of the work depends on yourself.

The dreams are far more. I couldn't agree more. In essence what I wanted to explain right that in my last message. We don’t want others to think that OBE is “the big deal”, do we?

OK Frank, got it. You are 36 and your 'Pluto square' is now making you itchy with it's lead-in. Very likely it is, anyways. Read up on your particular one, if you have not, it presents fantastic opportunities, in many cases.

As for the rest.... it just felt a bit rude (or sharp, if you prefer), even to me. Thus an opportunity to clear that up as relations go. Obviously that is a good thing.

[Jake]

I find that the preparation involves always writing down my dreams, and then I'm in the mode where the connection to that space or mode - is more immediate.

I look at the sheet or papers with the dreams written on them every few days at most, always making sure the memory of them is never lost...but slowly becoming a permanent channel in my mind. I read the description, close my eyes and remember the dream again, never letting it fade.

Point is to not just write the dreams down but to make them into permanent memories through recall, so they don't fade..and thus the mode or dual state becomes more permanent, easier to reach. This, to me, will cascade into OBE's, of it's own accord, with some bits of will behind it.

There's more to it, but that is a good start, IMO.

Dream state is a sort of OBE. Yes, you practice it, whether you want it or not. Do you remember your dreams? Well, this is a good point, isn’t it? What color are they? Black & White? Man, you are f+++ up. Are they clear? Good for you!

In my POV main difference between dream and OBE is lucidity. In addition lucidity may ruin all “god stuff” when you are "out there". You break your connection to your unconsciousness - higher self. That simply means 3d understanding & man thinking within dream state. Yep, you are free; you can do whatever you wish. Wise? Well, I can’t tell…

However it is always good to write down your dreams, however I prefer to remember them. Never know when DejaVu may occur. When it does you recognize the situation, so to speak. You realize and understand importance of the message. This is a true added value to your life (a gem). Remember.

Exploring OBE state with technique is controlled distraction. Free XXX. I am sorry to say that, it is just my POV.

Are you being rude? Or just non supportive of the whole thread? Why this tone, Frank?

For me, Frank..my 'dreams' if I choose to remember them, are a 100% accurate parable, a story version of my coming day. Always. It has yet to fail.

People have to start somewhere, Frank, and each person has different needs and requirements for making that happen. So it is best to vary the potential techniques that are presented to the interested persons.

So dreams can be more than just OBE. FAR more.

And when I do that particular thing, I begin to skip into an ever expanding level of increased temporal awareness, in the conscious state. I even get fully blown waking (in broad daylight) visions of yet to happen events, in time.

I am very supportive and I am not rude at all. Sharp tone doesn’t mean anything than that. I am sorry you can't see. I always communicate in general and not on personal level. Sorry if you've been offended.

I know you want to help people, but mostly you help yourself (to be honest). I have stripped myself (you too) in front of everyone but it won’t help others to see. Nonetheless I still believe someone will gain from it as I did from others.

But we have to exchange different angles. Everyone task is to find out the truth. You know, everything is so obvious and in front of your eyes. Most of the work depends on yourself.

The dreams are far more. I couldn't agree more. In essence what I wanted to explain right that in my last message. We don’t want others to think that OBE is “the big deal”, do we?

??? There is an energetic counterpart to the physical. When we are out of our bodies, we are part of this energetic reality. The dreamstates are much different. The two phenomenon are related, yet different. We are using aspects of self to discover and explore. The 'dreaming' mind exists independantly of the 'waking mind' and again independent of the 'projected mind' and again seperate from your higher self. The applications of discovery regarding the dreaming mind are limited. :) Same with OBE... It is the integration of these different aspects of mind that is going to be the "BIG DEAL",,, and YES,, The OBE is the next extension of our understanding of ourselves as energy beings. Many other races of physical, and non-physical beings have mastered the Astral. It is also OUR birthright. Many abduction scenerios are controlled via the Astral. It is not just about the mechanism where by we 'dream'. Dreaming and lucid dreaming have much of the same characteristics of OBE, but they are still very different. Many times the Dream-state-lessons that I am learning will have to be 'applied' in the Astral. Many times, if I hit a barrier in the Astral, I will be 'bumped' to the 'dreaming' levels to re-learn a lesson, before I can continue in the Astral.

OBE is a much bigger deal than you might think. You cannot KNOW that you are more than your physical body from a dream. You cannot KNOW the infinite nature of an energetic reality through a dream. Many flying dreams are OBEs that we are remembering from the dream states.

There is much more going on than meets the I... You cannot stick your hand through the wall, in a dream, and have it effect the physical wall in reality. You can in an OBE!!!

Passing off OBEs as trivial is a mistake!!! Passing off DREAMS as trivial is a mistake too. Your take on it shows just about how much experience you have with this phenomenon.


Exploring OBE state with technique is controlled distraction. Free XXX.

Dude,,, you have to get over that... free XXX??? Is THAT your experience in the astral??? I suppose that WOULD be distracting. You tipped your hand a bit there,,, It is not like that for me, or anyone that I have ever known. I have never heard that said by any advanced or experienced projector. You must look deeper within yourself if your ObEs are turning into XXX!!! Get past the distraction, and it is not as confusing... Best regards, Jake.

[JoshuaM]

I'd Just like to say I love the idea of this thread, wonderful. I've actually been working really hard to astral project, as of lately, and I've had three big gains: 1) I noticed one night that, as I was attempting to project, I heard a strong buzzing sound and I've read up on astral projection so knew what it was. I got so excited that it ruined the opportunity, but I didn't allow that to faze me, that was a huge gain for me. 2) I had one dream where I became aware I was dreaming and I said aloud, "I'm dreaming". Although, I didn't snap out of the dream, just kept dreaming for some reason. 3) One morning, after waking, I was still in my bed and started to concentrate on my third eye and saw a violet light. I assumed I was cheating somehow and opened my eyes to see only pitch blackness in the room.

[cheez_2806]

what is this sound i hear?? What is the thing I see??

Everytime I feel my body moving out and tilting - I hear a loud noise like a scrambled radio channel and then i see a purple fluctuating light (my eyes are closed when I saw this)

What are they? why do I see them?

I seem to be stuck at this stage, I just cannot get out of the body. I have feeling that the astral body is floating above the physical body, then I hear those noises and see that purple light and then I'm stuck...so when I open my eyes I'm still in the physical body.

What should I do or did I do anything wrong??

[starsha]

what is this sound i hear?? What is the thing I see??

Everytime I feel my body moving out and tilting - I hear a loud noise like a scrambled radio channel and then i see a purple fluctuating light (my eyes are closed when I saw this)

What are they? why do I see them?

I seem to be stuck at this stage, I just cannot get out of the body. I have feeling that the astral body is floating above the physical body, then I hear those noises and see that purple light and then I'm stuck...so when I open my eyes I'm still in the physical body.

What should I do or did I do anything wrong??

Cheez, i hear that sound too usually when i am coming back 'in', to me it sounds like a good sign that you are hearing that, and also seeing colors. Any geometric shapes at all?

My best advice is to honor your own uniqueness. It seems to me that we all go about these things differently because we are all so unique. If you compare your progress to someone else you will be looking for something specific, and might miss out on how spirit is showing up for you in your unique way.

It sounds like you are on the right track, so i would say just allow it to happen, don't force it to happen. The more you can relax into the experience the better.

For myself, the best experiences have been when they are totally spontaneous.

[Kirsten Merrild]

Thanks for this - what ded he say the name of his website was? - please help :)

[Kirsten Merrild]

To Jake

I mean Jurgen Ziewe

[cheez_2806]

[/QUOTE]Cheez, i hear that sound too usually when i am coming back 'in', to me it sounds like a good sign that you are hearing that, and also seeing colors. Any geometric shapes at all? [/QUOTE]

THanks man!
Yes I do! I can't describe it properly. But its sort of like a flower blossoming up and then another one blossoms up then another one. It's also kind of like going through a purple tunnel. It's cool~

[Jake]

I often come across sound phenomenon when experiencing exit sensations. They will often be high pitched 'airy' bell sounds. A bit of research indicated that there are different 'exit' triggers that seem to correspond to different energy centers, or chakras. For example, I could have a 'torso' rush exit, (most common for me), or I could have a crown center exit, which will be accompanied by the high pitch airy=bell sound, or I could have a brow center exit, which will be accompanied by lots of colors and lights and vivid imagery, (the brow center is also known as the third eye because of the 'visual' nature of the energy of this chakra.)

You might also hear a loud 'pop' when exiting or entering. You might also hear, what sounds like a lawnmower, just outside your window or your house. Many of these sounds will be the type that will startle you awake. That is fine, as long as you stay silent and still. Try and allow that 'heightened' state of awareness to take over. The 'heightened' state of awareness is simply the perfectly still and intensely enhanced state where your senses are reeled. kind of like when you are laying in bed half asleep, and you think you hear the sliding glass door open in the next room. Your entire body will freeze, your breathing will slow, your focus will increase, your 'listening' will intensify, and you will feel a 'glow' about your body,,, This is the 'heightened' state that you will need to recreate to induce OBE.

I have been having some fun astral stuff lately. One such event occurred just the other day, I was waiting for it to repeat, but it hasn't yet. I will report it here, as it may be relevant to the 'joint obe' experiments.

OKAY,, here is what happened.

I had been doing some energy work while meditating earlier, (always helps set the stage for later,, :)) I lay down in bed, and go to sleep. Woke about an hour later, paralyzed, with my senses reeling. The initial attempts to 'exit' were not successful, so I lay there for a few minutes, waiting for the sensations to 'get in tune'. (you can tell when the energies 'sync up' and get in 'tune' with each other.) I began to be 'pulled' into deep dreaming realms and past them. Just on the other side of the 'dreaming' realm was a crystal clear and lucid, deep trance state. Perfectly silent yet alive and amazing. I felt some physical sensations that will usually accompany an RTZ projection. (Etheric projection, like being a ghost in the real world.) but the sensations were much less intense and seamless. I was quite lucid, and this was not an OBE or a dream,,, it was more,,,, Astral, yet perfectly clear. Almost like a lucid dream, with EBS,,, (energy body sensations)

Anyways, I found myself sitting with a group of others. We had all projected here, (I am not sure how I know that.) There were probably 25 or 30 others there, and we were sitting 'indian style' in a group, sort of all facing each other. It was announced that there is a guest speaker who will be lecturing for a few minutes. To my amazement,,,, IT WAS BOB MONROE who was introducing the guest speaker. I looked around in amazement. I couldn't believe how perfectly lucid that I was. The other folks were just as pleased and excited,,,, I could tell. After Bob's introduction, I was uniquely amazed by what happened next. (I was shocked, actually...)

I stood up and began speaking about the nature of reality, the nature of the dream world, how it all exists as 'one' and not 'seperate',, The nature of creation and the counterparts that must exist for the re-intergration of creation and experience. I went on and on and on and on, without knowing what I was going to say next. It all just kept coming out. I had no idea that i was such a great speaker! These concepts kept coming out of me as I spoke. Seamless and perfect. I did not have to think about any of the words, they just kept coming from deep within me. (I was wondering if my words were being interpreted as symbols to the others, I was just wondering.. )

After I was done speaking, i was again 'pulled' through the thicker 'dreaming states', (I had to struggle to hang on to the memory) and a perfect 'phase shift' back into physical waking reality.

This felt more like an 'Astral Proper' projection, rather than a 'real time' projection. It was not a dream, as I was 'pulled' through the dreaming states to the 'place' that I ended up at.

Here is the thing... There were about 25 or 30 other folks there with me, listening to the lecture. It was very exciting, and I remember looking around to see if I recognized anyone, but i did not. I remember thinking to myself, quite clearly, that there must be someone from Avalon here. I did not dwell on it, but I remember looking around, expecting to 'recognize' someone.

There are different aspects of self, operating simultaneously!!! Period!!! And the different aspects of 'self' are necessary for the re-intergration of creation and experience. There must be a 'creator' and an 'experiencer', and we are both, I will not question it again. Amazing that the subject matter of MY OWN ASTRAL LECTURE is still 'sinking in' in the physical.

I was completely shocked. I did not know that I was the 'guest speaker'.

I would love to hear anybodies take on this. I can't help but think that there were others there from this forum. Has anyone come across a 'David Icke' style lecture in their dreams lately. I would be amazed to hear about it.

[CyRus]

Hi Jake,
I am very intrigued over your mastery of this phenomenon. I apologize if you have mentioned this somewhere before, but I would like your insight as to if you have ever encountered a creator type "being" for lack of a better word in your OBE experiences. Also, I have heard people mentioning the spirit-world as a sort of impenetrable veil. Graham Nicholls mentions this in regards to a plane-crash he witnessed when he was out of body, he could see the spirits departing, but they were somehow inaccessible. Source:http://www.skeptiko.com/can-out-of-body-experiences-explain-god/

I was wondering whether you have had any contact with the spirit-realm as it where, and whether it is accessible to us through OBE or if it is somehow closed off...


Thank you,

[Jake]

Hi Jake,
I am very intrigued over your mastery of this phenomenon. I apologize if you have mentioned this somewhere before, but I would like your insight as to if you have ever encountered a creator type "being" for lack of a better word in your OBE experiences. Also, I have heard people mentioning the spirit-world as a sort of impenetrable veil. Graham Nicholls mentions this in regards to a plane-crash he witnessed when he was out of body, he could see the spirits departing, but they were somehow inaccessible. Source:http://www.skeptiko.com/can-out-of-body-experiences-explain-god/

I was wondering whether you have had any contact with the spirit-realm as it where, and whether it is accessible to us through OBE or if it is somehow closed off...


Thank you,

Hello, Cyrus. Absolutely no need to apologize, this is a discussion.. I welcome any questions. I will not be able to answer for this entire phenomenon, but I do have my 'piece of the puzzle', so to speak. Not sure exactly what you mean by 'creator type being', but I have met some amazing sentients. The most amazing 'creator being' that I have come across is MYSELF... this is not ego,,, it is just another understanding of self vs creation. With that said,,,

There are light beings that will show themselves if you ask them to!! :) (There are shadowy, whispy, non-physicals that will show up WITHOUT asking too!!) The first time that I came across the light beings was on accident, (i think) I was in the middle of a failed exit attempt. I could feel the intense energy body sensations, but could not muster an 'exit'. So I was stuck in my body, paralyzed and 'vibing' out of control. I said in my mind, "I request the presence of a being of light to come into my space" That was it!! Difficult to describe this being of light. It was surrounding me, yet I could not look at it directly. At first, it was like having your eyes closed, and someone comes into the room and turns the light on, and you can see it clearly but your eyes are closed. That is the best way that I can describe it, other than the overwhelming feeling of love and admiration. This being was 'impressed' and 'proud', almost,,, like it knew me. It was an amazing being,,, female, I think. I was lead to understand that THIS was MY true make-up. And that this light being was a friend, and equal, rather than some sort of 'higher being'.

I have had other experiences with this being too...

Many other races of physical beings are having OBEs too!! I have come across a few of those. There are also 'sleepers' in the astral,, folks who are projecting, but they don't know it. You can't 'wake them up' or ever get their attention, but they are wandering around the astral, sort of 'sleepwalking'. There is a counterpart of all of us that is 'sleepwalking' in the astral, even now,,, I think one of the goals is to begin to better intergrate these different aspects of self so we can slip in and out of these aspects, seamlessly and as naturally as breathing.

I have only met and/or interacted with deceased energies once, (that I am absolutely sure of.) But my friend and mentor, Robert Bruce, assures me that the realms of the newly deceased are quite real!!! I have a tendency to take his word for some of these things, as his words have rung very true,, many times. Robert is the Real Deal.

My own experience is as follows:

I had projected and made my way outside and into the back yard. I was looking up into the sky, because there were two moons. My experiment this night was to try and communicate with the UFOs that were showing up in my ObEs,,, (another story, altogher!!) I was not having any luck, even though i could see them in the sky above me. All of the sudden, and out of nowhere, these two little girls came walking around the corner. The oldest was about 2 years old, and she was holding hands and walking with her younger sister, who could barely walk. They were the cutest little girls in the world. They had on these cute little sunday dresses on, and they were smiling and talking as they were walking by. (This is random, I thought to myself,,,) They were not 'sleepers' or 'unaware projectors', they seemed to be very awake and aware. They were delightful and smiling and they made their way over to the corner of the fence in the back yard. They could not climb over the fence or jump it of fly,,, I was watching them in amazement. The older sister (not sure how I knew they were sisters) waved me over and asked me, using 2 year old lingo, if I could help them over the fence. I picked them up one at a time and helped them over the fence. They were such fun and amazing little ones, i just wanted to hug them and play with them... But I just watched as they continued on their way. I woke up and wrote the whole thing down.

Here is the kicker.... There is no way to know, (that I am aware of yet) wether or not someone is 'projected' and aware, or if they are deceased/projected. We had a visit about a week later from the son of the original owner of the house that we were living in at the time. He was showing us pictures of his dogs on his phone. When he got to the last pic,,, he went past his slideshow, and there was a picture of these two little girls. I was fu@#$%g shocked. I asked about them. Apparantly, these little girls were his mothers sisters, and this was the only photo of them. I asked if I could meet them, and he laughed and told me that they both died in an unforseen accident when they were very little. I asked them if they had died in the house, and he said NO. I demanded that he let me download the photo onto my computer, and he did. I stared at it for about 3 days. My mind was numb the whole time,,,, (paradigm changes and such... lol :))

I know that there is a connection to the deceased energies/realms. But I don't have too much experience with it. Robert insists that he goes to visit his mum and dad, and even stays to help them in the garden that they created. I am looking forward to it!!!

Once you deal with the reality of finding yourself out of your body, and back again,,, you find it easier to deal with Death.

My fiance's grandfather passed away just last night. The family reported seeing a flash of light,, and ran to the bedroom where he was sleeping, and of course he had passed. I had a different reaction than my fiance,,, I had a big burst of joy swelling up inside, that I could hardly contain. She was sad for her mother, who is going to have a hard time with it. I did not want to preach, but I know damn well that there is no death. Or, at least, it is an illusion.

The spirit world is NOT an impenetrable veil. It is alive and well. If anything,,, THIS world exists inside an impenetrable veil. I would say that we exist 5% in the physical, and 95% in the non-physical. We just don't intergrate the memories in the physical. And we Don't recall the rest, but we WILL. It is part of the awakening of consciousness, and something that we will all go through as we ascend (expand our awareness)!!!

I have always said that the reality of the ET phenomenon would PALE in comparison to the discovery of our OWN potential. We ARE royalty, in the sense that we have not yet claimed our BIRTHRIGHT!!! Which is self discovery through mastery of the Astral. Times,,,, they are a changing...

Love to all,,,, Jake.

[starsha]

I would love to hear anybodies take on this. I can't help but think that there were others there from this forum. Has anyone come across a 'David Icke' style lecture in their dreams lately. I would be amazed to hear about it.

Oh my gosh, so weird ... about a year ago i had an OBE where i ended up in what i call 'the field'. For me this has a slightly different 'flavor' than an astral trip. In the field everything is one, and intricately connected. When i see 'people' in the field it is what i assume would be the higher self. They look very ethereal, light and HUGE. Anyway, one time when i was in the field, i remember seeing seeing Bob Dean, David Ike and David Wikcox (sp?) having what looked to be a 'meeting'. I watched for quite a while as they exchanged energy and information with each other. At one point i saw someone else join the 'meeting' but leave shortly after, i got the feeling that they were just coming in for a small nugget of info, while the others where getting very intricate information exchanges.

My take on it is that you were in the field Jake, though i can't really look through your eyes and be sure, so i don't really know. The feeling i get is that you were getting a download from the field as were the other 30 people. I have a question for you ... have you had any insights, mini revelations or creative ideas 'shake loose' since the experience?

My feeling has been for a while that humans have the ability to access the 'hall of records' as (Edgar Cayce called it) through the field of unified consciousness. My feeling is that EVERYTHING is there as pure potential, any piece of information, higher consciousness or creative genius we want is sitting right there, ready for us to go to it, align with it and pull it down into the earthly experience to be manifested here as a physical reality. Each time i have been there i see different things, but often i feel like i am in the presence of the masters, and i feel a sense of reverence or awe, for lack of a better way to describe it.

The other thing i have noticed in these travels is that sometimes bits of information get 'unlocked' and released into the general collective. Like when 5 people in different parts of the world all invent something, or get a brilliant idea at the same moment.

The potential of the human form never ceases to amaze me, we are capable of such amazing things. :)

[Fred Steeves]

I often come across sound phenomenon when experiencing exit sensations. They will often be high pitched 'airy' bell sounds. A bit of research indicated that there are different 'exit' triggers that seem to correspond to different energy centers, or chakras. For example, I could have a 'torso' rush exit, (most common for me), or I could have a crown center exit, which will be accompanied by the high pitch airy=bell sound, or I could have a brow center exit, which will be accompanied by lots of colors and lights and vivid imagery, (the brow center is also known as the third eye because of the 'visual' nature of the energy of this chakra.)

You might also hear a loud 'pop' when exiting or entering. You might also hear, what sounds like a lawnmower, just outside your window or your house. Many of these sounds will be the type that will startle you awake. That is fine, as long as you stay silent and still. Try and allow that 'heightened' state of awareness to take over.

Hey Jake, sounds like you're trucking right along there my brother, most excellent, good stuff you're sharing here. I've been in pretty much a down period the last couple weeks, probably due to extenuating 'real life' circumstances, but I've learned to not worry about it, or try and force it. Kind of like how it's silly to try and force a good meditation, ya with me?

Anyway, I just wanted to comment on your description here, there's lots more I'd like to comment on also, but no time right now. I don't recall EVER hearing any noises while attempting, on actually exiting the body. Doesn't mean they aren't there though, it's possible I just haven't noticed. However, I'm RIGHT with you in the trying to remain calm and roll with it experience. Your sliding glass door opening in the night analogy was spot on. I've learned the hard way to work through that freaky feeling, having scared meself awake so many times. Now it's like, o.k., here we go, easy now.

Cheers,
Fred

[Allura]

Okay...thought I would share my experience the other night. I am very adept at lucid dreaming and not-so-much OBEs, BUT in my latest lucid dream I yelled out the following demand three times, "Now, I am out-of-body!" The next thing I know, I feel myself decending through the dream and ended up standing (but floating) above my physical body in my bedroom!! I was thrilled that it actually worked. I flew around my bedroom and looked at my body and my husband's body on the bed, making note of the position of my body. Then went out my bedroom door...I ended up in a long hallway with several doors on either side. I decided to go through the closest door in front of me and ended up back in the dream I had JUST left before demanding to be out-of-body.

Anyway, when I woke up shortly thereafter, I noted that the position of my body while OOB was the same position I woke up in! So...what do you think? Did I turn my lucid dream into an OBE? It certainly felt like it to me!

[OnyxKnight]

I think I have become blocked from having any such experiences further in my life (have had a couple, and that was about it). I think its largely due to vaccinations. Make sure you stay away from most of em, if you can, and want to have this ability develop by the times you are adults, or your children become adults.

[starsha]

Once you deal with the reality of finding yourself out of your body, and back again,,, you find it easier to deal with Death.

My fiance's grandfather passed away just last night. The family reported seeing a flash of light,, and ran to the bedroom where he was sleeping, and of course he had passed. I had a different reaction than my fiance,,, I had a big burst of joy swelling up inside, that I could hardly contain. She was sad for her mother, who is going to have a hard time with it. I did not want to preach, but I know damn well that there is no death. Or, at least, it is an illusion.

The spirit world is NOT an impenetrable veil. It is alive and well. If anything,,, THIS world exists inside an impenetrable veil. I would say that we exist 5% in the physical, and 95% in the non-physical. We just don't intergrate the memories in the physical. And we Don't recall the rest, but we WILL. It is part of the awakening of consciousness, and something that we will all go through as we ascend (expand our awareness)!!!

I have always said that the reality of the ET phenomenon would PALE in comparison to the discovery of our OWN potential. We ARE royalty, in the sense that we have not yet claimed our BIRTHRIGHT!!! Which is self discovery through mastery of the Astral. Times,,,, they are a changing...

Love to all,,,, Jake.

Amen Jake ... wow awesome post. Thank you I really enjoyed reading that.

Like Fred i have so much i want to respond to in your sharing, but time is limited so i will just share this.

I have often heard a 'pop' sound on exit, especially when i leave out the top of my head. Other times i feel a slipping sensation and i sort of tip out sideways. Usually in those cases i don't hear any sounds. I loved your explanation of different sounds for different chakra centers, that very much aligns with my experience of kundalini surges. This isn't related to OBE, but i feel they are similar. Sometimes i get kundalini eruptions that lead to a feeling like an explosion of bliss in a certain area of the body. When it is centered in the heart area i hear a sound like a Tibetan singing bowl, and when it is the head area i hear a sound like a roaring or a waterfall. I am not sure what the purpose of the explosions are but i can say that they seem to be happening more and more frequently.

One thing that fascinates me is how vast the range of experiences people have are. There is so much yet to discover, sometimes i feel like a kid on Christmas morning with it all. :)

I also agree that staying calm is huge, for me this has come through embracing the aspect of uncertainty. Feeling comfortable in the unknown means that the experience can arise fresh, and new each time. This has helped me to stay calm and 'curious' instead of afraid when encountering something totally new and maybe a little 'freaky' .... And sure enough each time an experience happens, something new is revealed.

One thing i have found in talking to people about OBE or other mystical experiences is that not one person has ever said "hey you know, my first OBE was exactly like i thought it would be" :)

These types of experiences are always beyond our imaging, which is part of what makes them so beautiful.

Love to all as well
Starsha

[Jake]

Starsha said... My take on it is that you were in the field Jake, though i can't really look through your eyes and be sure, so i don't really know. The feeling i get is that you were getting a download from the field as were the other 30 people. I have a question for you ... have you had any insights, mini revelations or creative ideas 'shake loose' since the experience?

Yes, actually. Somewhere in there, I dropped my struggle with the concept of there being multiple aspects of 'self' operating at the same time. AND that it is necessary for the creation of all things. AND it is necessary for the re-integration of creation and experience. AND that we are creator beings as well as the experiencer!!! I feel a great weight lifted. I don't struggle with it anymore. I feel a bit,,, unshackled. Nothing really magical here, just getting over a barrier that I put there myself. :whoo:

I love what you say about the 'field' being a place where the downloads will occur. And I experienced it as a speech/lecture scenario. :) I will, many times, find myself in a 'school' or 'campus' type setting. There are other 'astral' domains like this, that I familiar. There is a place that I have always called,, 'mall city'. It is definately like a mall, with shops and such, but it is also very integrated with living spaces and apartments. Very festive sort of place. I have been there many times. There are others...


Starsha said... EVERYTHING is there as pure potential, any piece of information, higher consciousness or creative genius we want is sitting right there, ready for us to go to it, align with it and pull it down into the earthly experience to be manifested here as a physical reality. Each time i have been there i see different things, but often i feel like i am in the presence of the masters, and i feel a sense of reverence or awe,

I could not have said it better!


FredS said... Hey Jake, sounds like you're trucking right along there my brother, most excellent, good stuff you're sharing here. I've been in pretty much a down period the last couple weeks, probably due to extenuating 'real life' circumstances, but I've learned to not worry about it, or try and force it. Kind of like how it's silly to try and force a good meditation, ya with me?

That' right, you got it. If I ever find a way to force a good OBE, I will be sure and let everyone know. Set the stage, and go with the flow... That's my take on it too. Sometimes, when I go through periods of time without 'projecting'. I try and remember that we ALL project, every night, when we sleep. Then I try and keep in mind, as I drift off to sleep, that when I get 'out and about',, that I should try and keep it short, and return to the physical very soon after an exit. Short 'jumps', like 30 seconds. That way we will remember! Then we can 'exit', and stay longer. :cool: Again, It has to do with the different aspects of 'self', integrating and becoming more aware of 'each other'.. (Which means, rising above the picture and realizing your Higher Self.)


FredS said... I don't recall EVER hearing any noises while attempting, on actually exiting the body.

Maybe you will sometimes. Hopefully not, they are usually just a distraction. We are trying to understand the newly found, state of being with our rational 'senses', and will perceive lots of phenomenon related to our astral experience; sight/sound/smell/taste/feeling/emotion,, all of it. In doing so, we will get quite a variety of experience. We don't really have a reference point. So, when we experience the 'astral' we, of course, will perceive it from our physical points of view.


Allura said... Anyway, when I woke up shortly thereafter, I noted that the position of my body while OOB was the same position I woke up in! So...what do you think? Did I turn my lucid dream into an OBE? It certainly felt like it to me!

You bet yer arsse you turned your lucid dream into an OBE!!! :nod: I have done it manymany times. There is a difference between the OBE states and the Dreaming states, no? What an awesome experience!!! See this link... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgBr1pt9r44


Starsha said... One thing that fascinates me is how vast the range of experiences people have are. There is so much yet to discover, sometimes i feel like a kid on Christmas morning with it all.

Ha! meeee tooooooo!!!! :)


Starsha said... One thing i have found in talking to people about OBE or other mystical experiences is that not one person has ever said "hey you know, my first OBE was exactly like i thought it would be"

Exactly, We are just getting this party started!!! :clap2::party:

[starsha]

Starsha said... My take on it is that you were in the field Jake, though i can't really look through your eyes and be sure, so i don't really know. The feeling i get is that you were getting a download from the field as were the other 30 people. I have a question for you ... have you had any insights, mini revelations or creative ideas 'shake loose' since the experience?

Yes, actually. Somewhere in there, I dropped my struggle with the concept of there being multiple aspects of 'self' operating at the same time. AND that it is necessary for the creation of all things. AND it is necessary for the re-integration of creation and experience. AND that we are creator beings as well as the experiencer!!! I feel a great weight lifted. I don't struggle with it anymore. I feel a bit,,, unshackled. Nothing really magical here, just getting over a barrier that I put there myself.

I love what you say about the 'field' being a place where the downloads will occur. And I experienced it as a speech/lecture scenario. :) I will, many times, find myself in a 'school' or 'campus' type setting. There are other 'astral' domains like this, that I familiar. There is a place that I have always called,, 'mall city'. It is definately like a mall, with shops and such, but it is also very integrated with living spaces and apartments. Very festive sort of place. I have been there many times. There are others...


Starsha said... EVERYTHING is there as pure potential, any piece of information, higher consciousness or creative genius we want is sitting right there, ready for us to go to it, align with it and pull it down into the earthly experience to be manifested here as a physical reality. Each time i have been there i see different things, but often i feel like i am in the presence of the masters, and i feel a sense of reverence or awe,

I could not have said it better!



Starsha said... One thing i have found in talking to people about OBE or other mystical experiences is that not one person has ever said "hey you know, my first OBE was exactly like i thought it would be"

Exactly, We are just getting this party started!!!

Hi Jake,

Thanks for your awesome feedback :)


Jake said .... Yes, actually. Somewhere in there, I dropped my struggle with the concept of there being multiple aspects of 'self' operating at the same time. AND that it is necessary for the creation of all things. AND it is necessary for the re-integration of creation and experience. AND that we are creator beings as well as the experiencer!!! I feel a great weight lifted. I don't struggle with it anymore. I feel a bit,,, unshackled. Nothing really magical here, just getting over a barrier that I put there myself.

whew, that needs to be quoted twice, it's so awesome :) wow, i can sooo relate. For me i had a struggle with how 'non linear' things are on the astral plane, or 'in the field'. It was like some part of my linear mind wanted to try and understand it in terms of a linear sequence of events, and it just so wasn't being experienced that way. I can remember for me when that shifted, and somehow that struggle just dropped, i don't even know how it happened, but i can still feel the relief in not having that inner fight about it anymore.

I have a little report to share also. The last time i was 'out' it happened quite randomly. I wasn't trying to make it happen, i was actually meditating, and not even holding an intention. The expanded feeling happened first, the feeling like the body is a tiny pea 'down there' and my 'essence' filled the room and then some. The next thing i i was aware of was being at my boyfriends house. I felt quite happy to be there, and then noticed that he was home. I went over to see what he was doing and noticed that he was with a few other people and was standing in front of his laptop, i made a note of it because i thought it was odd that he was standing there, and not sitting at his desk like he normally is. That evening when i spoke with him i asked if he had been standing (instead of sitting) at his lap top that day. He asked if anyone else was there, and i said yes i thought there were a few other people with him. He then said that yes he had been showing his daughter and friend a you tube video, and they were all standing there watching it.

I thought it was pretty cool, nice to get a little verification sometimes. :)

[Fred Steeves]

Hi Jake, I just love your thread, thanks so much again for taking the time to share your knowledge with us on this! It's been a while since the last oobe, they seem to be becoming much more irregular, but also more interesting when they DO happen. Last night was rather unsuccessful, but also rather odd. I didn't sleep well at all, but that didn't seem to stop numerous break out attempts.

During probably about a two hour period of VERY light sleep, more like lightly napping on the couch when you're still aware of sounds, and the goings on around the house, it happened roughly every few minutes. There were either more of the intense vibrations prior to and during each attempt than ever before, or I was just more aware. Whenever they would start I would do me utmost to relax and let er rip like we've talked about, but it was never even really very close to happening, always just on the verge. It wasn't easy to stay calm with the unusually close to conscious state of mind.

I swear to God man, my light body tried EVERY possible freakin means to get out, it was borderline comical. Straight back through the crown of the skull and through the bedroom wall, straight the opposite way through the feet, all various angles of side to side, and even one time I could feel just my head and shoulders on the bed, with the rest up in the air at about a 45 degree angle. I was afraid to look LOL!!!

So, very unusual, but alas no superman type stuff. With all your experience in this, do you reckon it was because of being so close to an awake state of mind, or some other culprit?

Thanks and Cheers,
Fred

[Allura]

I DID IT!!! If I have OBEs, they are usually spontaneous OBEs in the middle of the night but I actually had a full-fledged OBE (well, 2) during a nap I had this afternoon!! I'm so excited! Now, I have some of questions, but before I get to that, I'll tell you what happened.

I lay down for a nap, not really wanting to have an OBE. I'm laying on my stomach and after 10 minutes I roll over onto my left side. I am in the twilight state for a while when I get a distinct impression that someone entered the bedroom. I thought it was my husband and pretended to sleep because I didn't want him bugging me. It feels like he laid next to me and then laid all his weight on top of me! Then it dawned on my that I was experiencing sleep paralysis. My mind was swimming but I relaxed as best I could and repeated in my mind, "I am now out-of-body." My body feels like it's being gathered up in someone's arms and rocked, then it was like I was pushed off the bed. I floated down to the ground like a feather. I was sluggish and slow, so I requested awareness and it helped a little. I stood up and walked through my sliding glass door and entered into darkness, despite seeing the pool on a bright sunny day!

Floating in the 3D darkness, I say, "I wish to meet my spirit guide." I see light swirls in the distance and they get closer and turn into a nice looking black man with his shirt off and it looked like light brown leather chaps? I'm confused because this wasn't what I was expecting. As I get closer, his skin lightens and he turns into an Asian man, then starts to multiply into many men (maybe women too?) of different ethnicities. I stand near this pile of people and someone takes my arm and we step into a flying chariot of sorts. I feel myself losing it and end up back in my body. Bummer.

Again, I repeat, "I am now out-of-body" and feel myself being rocked and tossed onto the floor. I stand up, sluggish again, and walk through the sliding glass door. This time I am in my backyard and wonder what it feels like to swim in the pool while OOB. I dive in and it feels cool but not a whole lot different than being out of water. I still float as if I was in water and my vision was clear (as if wearing goggles). I soon find myself back in my body.

So, the questions I have mainly concern my feelings of sluggishness. How to I get more clarity? I thought that requesting awareness would help, but it didn't do much. I felt like I was walking through mud the first time out...it was better the second. Oh, and why did it distinctly feel like someone was helping me out? Is this common?

Thank you!

[Kamikaze]

If you feel sluggish or sleepy, just empower yourself with a command that is appropriate.

This all basically goes down to self belief and trust. If you believe a word does something it will manifest it. If you lack energy, call for energy. You have to be clever and think ahead of yourself in things and situations.
Some conditioning and self programming in wake states can help if you seem to lack the discipline to command yourself properly in sleep state.
Self trust, belief and discipline go a long ways in getting command of your dreams and mind.

[Allura]

If you feel sluggish or sleepy, just empower yourself with a command that is appropriate.

I did that when requesting awareness, I also requested clarity when 'awareness' didn't work so well. I'm going to have to think on it and come up with a clear and concise phrase for gaining more energy. It's amazing how much your mind races once you're oob! I was like a kid in a candy shop, for sure!

[Jake]

I DID IT!!! If I have OBEs, they are usually spontaneous OBEs in the middle of the night but I actually had a full-fledged OBE (well, 2) during a nap I had this afternoon!! I'm so excited! Now, I have some of questions, but before I get to that, I'll tell you what happened.

I lay down for a nap, not really wanting to have an OBE. I'm laying on my stomach and after 10 minutes I roll over onto my left side. I am in the twilight state for a while when I get a distinct impression that someone entered the bedroom. I thought it was my husband and pretended to sleep because I didn't want him bugging me. It feels like he laid next to me and then laid all his weight on top of me! Then it dawned on my that I was experiencing sleep paralysis. My mind was swimming but I relaxed as best I could and repeated in my mind, "I am now out-of-body." My body feels like it's being gathered up in someone's arms and rocked, then it was like I was pushed off the bed. I floated down to the ground like a feather. I was sluggish and slow, so I requested awareness and it helped a little. I stood up and walked through my sliding glass door and entered into darkness, despite seeing the pool on a bright sunny day!

Floating in the 3D darkness, I say, "I wish to meet my spirit guide." I see light swirls in the distance and they get closer and turn into a nice looking black man with his shirt off and it looked like light brown leather chaps? I'm confused because this wasn't what I was expecting. As I get closer, his skin lightens and he turns into an Asian man, then starts to multiply into many men (maybe women too?) of different ethnicities. I stand near this pile of people and someone takes my arm and we step into a flying chariot of sorts. I feel myself losing it and end up back in my body. Bummer.

Again, I repeat, "I am now out-of-body" and feel myself being rocked and tossed onto the floor. I stand up, sluggish again, and walk through the sliding glass door. This time I am in my backyard and wonder what it feels like to swim in the pool while OOB. I dive in and it feels cool but not a whole lot different than being out of water. I still float as if I was in water and my vision was clear (as if wearing goggles). I soon find myself back in my body.

So, the questions I have mainly concern my feelings of sluggishness. How to I get more clarity? I thought that requesting awareness would help, but it didn't do much. I felt like I was walking through mud the first time out...it was better the second. Oh, and why did it distinctly feel like someone was helping me out? Is this common?

Thank you!

Awesome OBE, Allura,,, 2 of them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgBr1pt9r44 Congrats!!! Many times the afternoon naps will prove to be a better time to experiment with OBE. Many inherent fears will disappear during the daytime. Also, multiple exits and returns are more common during the daytime. (not sure why,) I call them 'cluster events'.

I am in the twilight state for a while when I get a distinct impression that someone entered the bedroom.
Kinda hard to get used to, no? This whispy character kept me in fear for a long time, before i realized that this fear was self generated. What prompted you to ask for your spirit guide(s), I wonder? Many people don't start thinking along those lines for quite a while. You must be a regular projector!!!


Floating in the 3D darkness
I have always called it 3dBLACK,,,, same thing. Fascinating to hear others refer to the same OBE atmosphere... (I can't get enough of the astral winds, and pulses,,, it is electric and alive and nothing is 'thick' or groggy, like in the physical.)

Allow me to touch on a few things here. First, I would love to help you with the Astral Guide stuff. I think you are on your own with that. (I think we are ALL on our own with that one!) I can tell you a few fun stories about meeting my own astral guide. (well, one of them! :))
I will tell the short version:

Okay,,, It was not until I was reading back through my journals that I realized that there was a light in the sky, watching/observing my activities while out of body. It would always relocate itself behind a treeline, or I would see two 'moons' or 2 street lights,,, etc... Sometimes these events take on a life of their own. (just like real life.) One night, I exited and made my way outside to the front yard. I was spending just a moment to get reaquainted with my Astral self. (everything comes back, memories and such, like waking up from a sleep) Before I had a chance to get to my next goal, something caught my direct attention. It was a craft of some sort in the sky. I was excited, I could feel the panic reflex kicking in, so I had to take time to calm myself, and keep the 'fear' captured in my stomach area. (Energy work technique, I will explain another time.) This craft was like nothing I had seen regarding UFOs. It was Blue and quite bright. It looked like one of those JAX that I used to play with as a kid,,, you know? that game with the bouncy ball? Except it was a triangle instead of a square. The craft came to 6 points from the center, and 3 of them had domes, or balls at the end. anyways... It was coming in from the West. It was not traveling very fast, like the general speed of a helicopter. It made a strange airy/motor sound as it went. It noticed me watching and banked, did a loop and came to hover above me and to the south a bit. This craft was definitely not avoiding me this time. As I was watching, I noticed that the top of the craft was illuminating the bottom of several larger craft that I had not noticed before. I was freaking out,,,, I got too frightened and ended the OBE,,, (at least the conscious part of it!)

The next time that I was 'out',,, I tried again. I did not see the craft right away so I said out loud (astral voice,,, kinda weird) "OKAY, I AM READY, SHOW YOURSELF" And it DID. A strange purple, misty fog set in,,, it was brilliant. The same craft appeared in the sky. I was mindblown. I had verified so many astral experiments that I knew that this was real too. I mustered the courage to face them. I flew up to meet the craft. Once I got high enough, I could see the flashing lights all around me in the air,,, i knew that I only saw one craft, so I assumed that I was on it now. I could not see through the bright purply mist. I suddenly felt, what would be akin to, a presence. I panicked and flew straight down and focused on something else, and woke back in my bed,,,, terrified.. Crap! I blew it... Okay,,,

There was another strange event related to the craft that I will not get into now,,, but the one after that is relevant to this discussion.

I exited, and made my way to the front yard again. I said, "Okay, now I am ready, I request the presence of my astral guide" (This is where it gets pretty strange) Down both ends of the street, the same strange purple fog appeared. I was expecting a UFO, but,,,,,, nope. This strange little purple and green dune buggy with tinted windows comes hauling ass down the street towards me. This thing was doing brodys and reving up his engine and being sort of an ass. It pulled up close and stopped. I leaned forward to get a look at him, but there was always a fog in front of it. I could not see him. I asked him his name. He told me but it was not very clear. It started with an S and ended with an S,,, two syllables with a break in the middle. Sounded like he said SILAS,,, But I was not sure. I did manage to get a look at his hand when we shook hands. This was some sort of alien or ET. That was it,,, I was not scared anymore. It drove off down the street and then took off into the sky. I have no idea why it was driving a dune buggy and was acting like the Joker from Batman.

I have had other encounters with Silas. I am still not sure what to make of it. If I had to guess, my guide is an ET... or a reflection thereof.

Meeting spirit guides in the astral is a personal thing. I cannot give any advice, as I am still working it out for myself.


The second thing that I want to touch on is:

So, the questions I have mainly concern my feelings of sluggishness. How to I get more clarity? I thought that requesting awareness would help, but it didn't do much. I felt like I was walking through mud the first time out...it was better the second. Oh, and why did it distinctly feel like someone was helping me out? Is this common?

There are lots of snags like that out there. I will often lose my vision completely when walking through doors or windows. There is a 'ceiling' that I can't get past without several tries. I feel sluggishness and exhaustion even. All of these snags can be avoided with regular energy work during meditation. I keep my energy work sessions seperate from my OBE attempts. Doing energy work will prove fruitful in lots of ways. It is like charging your batteries. If you go out with a low battery, your astral body will show signs of depletion,,, ie, sluggishness, loss of vision etc... Energy work is important, I cannot stress this enough. Go here.... http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/content.php?130-new-energy-ways

I have heard that demanding clarity helps,,,, It never has helped me! I have never seen a silver chord, yet others have. Your astral environment will be unique to you.

Also,,, The reason that it distinctly felt like someone was helping you out is because,,,,, there WAS someone helping you out. Do not be frightened. If you can't deal with this 'helper' then you won't be able to do much more exploring. It is a fear thing. At least it was for me.

Sounds to me like you are doing fine. Welcome to Flight School!!! :):):)

[Jake]

Also... @FredS,,, I, too have come into a 'dry spell'. My last astral experience (that I remember) was the Astral lecture that I posted about on the 16th... I know it has only been a couple of weeks, but that is a long time for me. As time goes on, I am getting a bit,,, estranged. It is quite easy to spout off and explain the reality of OBE when they occur normally, with regularity. But I find myself walking,,, Blind, sort of,,,, when not having OBEs...

I cannot imagine NOT having OBEs. Inelia said once that she feels claustrophobic in the human shell. So do I.

So this is what it is like in the real world, huh? I can see why folks have a hard time excepting the reality of the non-physical world. I have become quite, well,,, spoiled, with my manymany experiences.

[Carmody]

Also... @FredS,,, I, too have come into a 'dry spell'. My last astral experience (that I remember) was the Astral lecture that I posted about on the 16th... I know it has only been a couple of weeks, but that is a long time for me. As time goes on, I am getting a bit,,, estranged. It is quite easy to spout off and explain the reality of OBE when they occur normally, with regularity. But I find myself walking,,, Blind, sort of,,,, when not having OBEs...

I cannot imagine NOT having OBEs. Inelia said once that she feels claustrophobic in the human shell. So do I.

So this is what it is like in the real world, huh? I can see why folks have a hard time excepting the reality of the non-physical world. I have become quite, well,,, spoiled, with my manymany experiences.

Yes, it is very claustrophobic, this staring out from one box, one view --and one location. Very very limiting and ..boring. Like waiting for a bus. For 90 years.

[Allura]

Awesome, thank you so much, Jake!! As I have mentioned before, I have had quite a few spontaneous OBEs but have never actually done a planned one. I do a lot of lucid dreaming and although similar to OBEs, the flavor is just not the same. Regarding my spirit guide...I have been trying to meet this being for a long time through lucid dreaming and have never been able to, at least I thought! After reading your experiences, I have to say that I've had some amazingly similar experiences while lucid dreaming. The lights in the sky that follow me, the double moon, but when I try to chase them, they fly away or I end up waking up.

I have seen many strange UFOs in my lucid dreams (not like the typical saucer ones), they are also triangular in shape (one was rectangular with domes on each corner) and typically there are many of them in the sky. I had one strange experience where I was standing (lucid dream) in my kitchen, looking out the window at one of these ships, I yelled,"What do you represent?" And a beam of light shot down from the ship toward the ground and out came two people(?) riding on recliners that zoomed up to my front door. I was not scared and ran to open the door but right before I met these people, I woke up! Grrr...so frustrating!

I have spent the past 2.5 years trying to work through my fears of having OBEs, I am no longer afraid of helpers that show up (I was definitely thankful for the one that helped out the other day). I think the lucid dreaming (particularly about confronting tornadoes) has helped me face my fears as well...I am ready! It's interesting how pumped up and unafraid one can be while reading books about OBEs but to actually do it is quite frightening!

I can see how energy work would help with the clarity and awareness while OOB...in fact, I think my daily chakra meditations were the catalyst for my OBE adventures in the first place. I started doing them just as a way to relieve stress and a few weeks later I woke up to find myself floating outside my body! I was freaked because I had no idea what OBEs were and thought I had died!! I scoured the internet for information and I only found scary 'old hag' and demonic stories. But, the name Robert Monroe kept popping up in the searches too, not knowing anything about him, I bought his biography and became so interested that I bought his books...and LOVED them! I went on to buy just about any book on OBEs and lucid dreaming and now, 2.5 years later, I have success!

Thank you again for all your help and insight! I never get sick of reading about other people's adventures...it gives me great ideas. You are a true pioneer and inspiration in this field! Cheers!!

[another bob]

Anyways, I found myself sitting with a group of others. We had all projected here, (I am not sure how I know that.) There were probably 25 or 30 others there, and we were sitting 'indian style' in a group, sort of all facing each other. It was announced that there is a guest speaker who will be lecturing for a few minutes. To my amazement,,,, IT WAS BOB MONROE who was introducing the guest speaker. I looked around in amazement. I couldn't believe how perfectly lucid that I was. The other folks were just as pleased and excited,,,, I could tell. After Bob's introduction, I was uniquely amazed by what happened next. (I was shocked, actually...)

I stood up and began speaking about the nature of reality, the nature of the dream world, how it all exists as 'one' and not 'seperate',, The nature of creation and the counterparts that must exist for the re-intergration of creation and experience. I went on and on and on and on, without knowing what I was going to say next. It all just kept coming out. I had no idea that i was such a great speaker! These concepts kept coming out of me as I spoke. Seamless and perfect. I did not have to think about any of the words, they just kept coming from deep within me. (I was wondering if my words were being interpreted as symbols to the others, I was just wondering.. )

After I was done speaking, i was again 'pulled' through the thicker 'dreaming states', (I had to struggle to hang on to the memory) and a perfect 'phase shift' back into physical waking reality.

Excerpt from: The Autobiography & Maxims of Chan Master Han Shan 1546-1623

(Master Han Shan was one of the four greatest monks in Ming Dynasty (1368-1643) in China. He was a great patriarch of Zen Buddhism. During his life of practicing Zen, he attained enlightenment and various visionary states).

During the time of this work I had many good dreams. Once I dreamed I entered a diamond cave and came to the stone door of Great Prajna Temple. I opened the door and went in and there, in a huge area, I saw solemn temple buildings and a spacious hall. Inside the hall, Great Master Qing Liang was resting on a large meditation bed. Miao Feng was standing on his left. I quickly went to the bed and prostrated myself and then stood on his right waiting for him to speak. Finally, he said:
In the state of the Dharmadhatu, in which merge all the glorious Buddha lands,
there are no hosts or guests, there is no coming or going. As he spoke, the very state which he described enveloped me and I felt as if my body and mind had merged with it. After this revelation, Miao Feng asked the Great Master, .Venerable Sir, what is this state?. Master Qing Liang smiled and said, This is the state of no state.

When I woke up all of my surroundings seemed transparent to me. I could see through
everything. In another dream I saw my body rise up high in the air. When it descended, the land was flat and shining like a crystal mirror. Looking deep into the mirror, I could see myself inside a spacious chamber which contained all manner of worldly things: men, animals, children, houses, farm yards, marketplaces, everything. These creatures were not posed prettily, as in some vapid picture. They were all performing the natural, everyday acts of life.
On and on flowed these visions of ordinary people doing ordinary things, and then suddenly in the center of the chamber, there appeared a platform upon which sat a great chair of blazing red and gold. I recognized it and was overwhelmed with joy. This was the Great Diamond Throne! Thrilled by the chance to see it, I tried to move closer to it. But then I looked around at all the people who, oblivious to this magnificent throne, continued to perform their everyday, mundane acts. They disgusted me. They seemed so common, so filthy and coarse. Then as I protested that such vulgarity should be allowed to exist inside this glorious and immaculate place, the image of the throne retreated.
Chagrined, I immediately saw my error. What right had I to judge the worthy and unworthy, the clean and the unclean. The Buddhist Dharma is for all mankind,. I said humbly, not for just one pompous fool.
And instantly, the throne came nearer. In a moment I saw that tall, dignified monks were standing in line before the throne. Suddenly, a bhiksu, holding a sutra in his hands, came down from behind the throne and handed the sutra to me, saying, Master is going to talk about this sutra. He asked me to give it to you.. I received it with joy but when I opened it I saw that it was written in gold Sanskrit letters which I could not read.
I put it inside my robe and asked, Who is the Master?. The bhiksu replied, Maitreya.
Delighted, I followed him to the stairs. At the foot of the stairs I stood with my eyes closed, concentrating on my mind. Suddenly I heard the sound of a Ching and when I opened my eyes I saw Maitreya seated on the throne. His face was incomparably beautiful.dazzling red and gold! I saluted him and prostrated myself before him. Then, thinking I was specially selected to listen to the sutra, I removed it from my robe and opened it.

Maitreya said, Discrimination is consciousness. Nondiscrimination is wisdom. Clinging to consciousness will bring disgrace but clinging to wisdom will bring purity. Disgrace leads to birth and death but purity leads to Nirvana..

I listened to him as if I were in a dream within the dream. His voice, like the sound of tinkling crystal, floated on the air. I could hear him so clearly that even when I awoke his words kept on repeating in my mind. Now I realized the difference between consciousness and wisdom. Now I realized also that the place where I had been in my dream was Maitreya Buddha's Chamber in the Tu****a Heaven.


In another dream I saw a monk coming to me saying, Bodhisattva Manjusri has prepared a bath for you on the North Peak. Please come with me.. I followed him and when we arrived we entered a large fragrant hall. Inside were many attendants, all of whom were monks.
I was led into a bathing chamber and as I disrobed, preparing to enter the water, I saw a girl sitting in the bath! I naturally didn't want to go in, but the girl changed herself into a man and I then joined him in the bath. He began to pour water on my head. The water entered my head and washed away my insides. All my internal organs flowed out and all that was left of me was a transparent cage. Then the man in the bath called for tea and a monk came carrying a skull-cup which looked like half a melon.
When I looked at what was inside it, I was sickened by the sight of dripping brains and bone marrow. The monk picked up some of it and held it out for me to examine. He asked, Is this not clean? Then he put it into my mouth and I swallowed it. As he continued feeding the contents of the skull to me, I realized that it tasted like honey. When only bloody water remained in the bottom of the skull, the man in the bath said, Give that to him, too. I took the skull and drank. It was delicious. But as the liquid went down, it began to ooze out all of my pores.
Then the monk began to massage my body, harder and harder until he was pounding me like laundry on a rock. I woke up in a sweat feeling that all of my internal organs had been washed clean.
From that time on, my body and mind have always felt purified, as though they had been bathed in wonder and delight. Most of my dreams were about saints and sages. The more you listen to Buddha's teachings, the more you will have good dreams.



Blessings!

[alienHunter]

you know I was thinking I had an experience like this the other night...I told my 12 year old daughter about it and we both laughed. We laughed because of what I did in the 'dream'. I met somebody and did something really absurd. At this point I can't be sure if this is even related to that experience but I remember the name 'Vonna'

[Elly]

Hi,

I am aware this thread has been a long time inactive but I was hoping to discuss a personal experience.

Today, I woke up from the most tiresome night I had in a while. I experienced an unwanted OBE and full of dark bizarre dreams and intermittent sleep. About OBEs, I just don't want them and my last one was a long time ago (15-18 years ago). Then, a question is why did I have one now?

So here it goes: I remember waking up in the dark between state that I just recognized. I may have send a presence in the corner of the room. I knew i just didn't want to stay there and be aware of what was going on. So my goal from the get go was to wake up my physical body. And what a job that ended up being. I tried with all my energy to sit up on the side of the bed. And what is tricky about this is that you think you are doing it, well you feel a body doing it, but then you realize it's not the physical one. I knew because the body kept falling back like a airy rag doll. I repeated that command a couple of times until I acknowledged that this could go on in a loop as I remembered from past experiences. A first, I decided to use my physical voice and call for help (in the known 3D world). With huge mental effort, I managed to pronounced my husband's name a few times from my physical mouth (like a ghost would). That was weird, really. When he woke up, I instantly woke up, like disconnected from my state.

So yeah, my questions are: Why this OBE from nowhere? Why did I wake up instantly as soon as my husband did and was unsuccessful before despite trying my best?

Thanks!