Avatar rebuttals

[Fredkc]

I truly enjoyed the movie Avatar.

Cameron did an excellent job of assembling a movie from about 4 or 5 classic archetypal stories, at least 6 cultures, several religions, and some really great Roger Dean artwork (If Cameron didn't pay Dean one HUGE pile of money for this I will be sorely disappointed ;)).

All that aside, I still come across places where the whole concept is called "Satanic", anti-religious, pagan, and a lot of other silly stuff. Sigh... You know you've fallen in with a bad crowd when people can't suspend dis-belief long enough to be told a "what if" without calling it "damaging to your soul".

For instance;
The interconnectedness of Pandora, and all that inhabits it, is IMO so far beyond the wildest dreams of "earth-mother pagans" that it represents a whole new paradigm (wow, first time I've ever used that word in a sentence!).

Detractors from the movie, religious and non, are quick to pull up this concept as beyond their comprehension, or evil incarnate. One of the reasons I' posting what appears to be a "dated subject", comes from this morning's "follow my nose, link by link" browsing.

I came across something I had been looking for, a pretty good scientific explanation that describes and substantiates the existence of such connections. And so, I here copy a portion of the preface of a book:
Entangled minds, by Dean Radin

Preface

If you do not get schwindlig [dizzy] sometimes when you think about these things then you have not really understood it [quantum theory]. - Neils Bohr
One of the most surprising discoveries of modern physics is that objects aren't as separate as they may seem. When you drill down into the core of even the most solid-looking material, separateness dissolves. All that remains, like the smile of the Cheshire Cat from Alice in Wonderland, are relationships extending curiously throughout space and time. These connections were predicted by quantum theory and were called "spooky action at a distance" by Albert Einstein. One of the founders of quantum theory, Erwin Schrödinger, dubbed this peculiarity entanglement, saying "I would not call that one but rather the characteristic trait of quantum mechanics."

The deeper reality suggested by the existence of entanglement is so unlike the world of everyday experience that until recently, many physicists believed it was interesting only for abstract theoretical reasons. They accepted that the microscopic world of elementary particles could become curiously entangled, but those entangled states were assumed to be fleeting and have no practical consequences for the world as we experience it. That view is rapidly changing.

Scientists are now finding that there are ways in which the effects of microscopic entanglements "scale up" into our macroscopic world. Entangled connections between carefully prepared atomic-sized objects can persist over many miles. There are theoretical descriptions showing how tasks can be accomplished by entangled groups without the members of the group communicating with each other in any conventional way. Some scientists suggest that the remarkable degree of coherence displayed in living systems might depend in some fundamental way on quantum effects like entanglement. Others suggest that conscious awareness is caused or related in some important way to entangled particles in the brain. Some even propose that the entire universe is a single, self-entangled object.

What if these speculations are correct? What would human experience be like in such an interconnected universe? Would we occasionally have numinous feelings of connectedness with loved ones at a distance? Would such experiences evoke a feeling of awe that there's more to reality than common sense implies? Could "entangled minds" result in the experience of your hearing the telephone ring and somehow knowing - instantly - who's calling? If we did have such experiences, could they be due to real information that somehow bypassed the usual sensory channels, or are such reports mere delusions? Can psychic or "psi" experiences be studied by science, or are they beyond the reach of rational understanding?

more here... (http://www.deanradin.com/NewWeb/EMindex.html)

[Fredkc]

As long as I am flannelling away on an old subject... something else struck me in that movie.

There was a tribal ceremony that really struck me. It was the one where Jake is "accepted into the tribe".

Sad to see societies grow to such a size that that kind of brotherhood, and acceptance is no longer formally celebrated. When you think about it, about the only thing that even comes close, today, would be something like a college graduation ceremony, which just doesn't quite do it.

I mean, an actual rite of passage. More, a ritual where such passage is universally acknowledged! Can you imagine what kind of world comes from taking part in such. To have "taking your place" acknowledged in your presence by one and all you know? To never have either the doubt, or excuse of an "outside detractor" of one's legitimate, rightful place.

Never mind what you do with it, because that just becomes part of the effect. But to have and carry this knowledge with you, with everything you face?

Powerful stuff, I'd say.

anyway... more food for thought.
Fred

[Fredkc]

Can psychic or "psi" experiences be studied by science, or are they beyond the reach of rational understanding?
I've always thought science would make more, and faster progress on this subject if they acknowledged the possibility of, and investigated such as simply "periods of synchronicity".

[stardustaquarion]

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The amazon is being destroyed and the Koguis are being evicted from their lands in Colombia. There will be no "hero" to help them...I think this movie is to put peoples mind at peace that all be well where the planet is raped

Also, the natives are some of the few peoples in this planet that know the secrets of the ancients and can help with the Earth changes. The shamans are being exterminated

I have grown to believe that there is nothing that comes from Helly wood that is not brainwashing

Just my opinion

:love:

[Gita]

Stardust thank God you posted as I was starting to think my king pengy was having a private conversation with himself!:heh:

I also enjoyed watching the film but what gets up my nose is that the american/earthlings messed things up and it just had to be an American who had defected to save the natives!!:blink: oh pleeeeze.

Anyway, what you reckon of Avatar = Pocahontas?

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/130283/original.jpg


BTW, I am an advocate of entanglement theory – totally believe it to be true – how could it not? Everything is connected – how could they not?:wink:

[Niobe]

lol that is quite the comparison between Pocahontas and Avatar!

quote: "For instance;
The interconnectedness of Pandora, and all that inhabits it, is IMO so far beyond the wildest dreams of "earth-mother pagans" that it represents a whole new paradigm (wow, first time I've ever used that word in a sentence!)."

I don't think that is entirely true. I think there are probably many people, pagans and not, that feel the interconnectedness in all things.

I completely agree with you Fred, about the rites of passage. I've often thought about doing something like that for my son, although it would be on a personal level instead of a community level, which would be ideal. First there has to be community, though.
Someday I hope to live in a society that supports this.

Namaste`

[stardustaquarion]

It is very interesting but it is not happening Gita. We are not resolving our differences and we are very likely to be on the edge of being decimated one way or another....Why will tptw put this around to make friends with the natives (us)?

Saying that, the history as told by the guardian alliance says that humans were raped by the clones created by the Anunaki invaders and forced to have their babies so they could access the stargates now we have a mixed genetic code that is de-evolving for many millenia

I guess I will have to put this one in the back burner or go to the Akashic record. I'll ask and see

[greybeard]

Im naive
I really enjoyed it just as a movie, well made.
Chris

[stardustaquarion]

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Found this one too

[stardustaquarion]

But this is the one in my opinion, it makes sense

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No wonder I can not stand those avatars, they give me the crips they represent the face of Bafomet :eek:

[kriya]

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/130283/original.jpg


:laugh: Brilliant!

Love,

Kriya

[Luke]

Story isn't new. So are the myths.
There are "stories" that we live time and time again. Al that has happened, all that will happen again.
It's the particular twists that are interesting.
Interconnectness is one thing, very interesting and too often overlooked. For me the message that our technological civilization is not the only way of "progress" is important too.
Especially if we consider that "particle universe" might just be a wrong turn made by some physicists. If so-called particles are just standing waves in underlying energy .. all we consider physical reality are just energy patterns.. that patterns can span what we call space and time in any way imaginable... archetypes might be "sections" of those patterns, interconnected .. "World" as an interface.
Earth MMO v4.97 :)

[stardustaquarion]

Story isn't new. So are the myths.
There are "stories" that we live time and time again. Al that has happened, all that will happen again.
It's the particular twists that are interesting.
Interconnectness is one thing, very interesting and too often overlooked. For me the message that our technological civilization is not the only way of "progress" is important too.
Especially if we consider that "particle universe" might just be a wrong turn made by some physicists. If so-called particles are just standing waves in underlying energy .. all we consider physical reality are just energy patterns.. that patterns can span what we call space and time in any way imaginable... archetypes might be "sections" of those patterns, interconnected .. "World" as an interface.
Earth MMO v4.97 :)

I agree with what you say but Cameron is an Illuminati and they never do anything without a reason. It is mind programing and it is rather powerful if you consider the programing on the movie the Knowing and the oil spill...So what does it mean? Illuminati insider anyone?

[HORIZONS]

Stardust thank God you posted as I was starting to think my king pengy was having a private conversation with himself!:heh:

I also enjoyed watching the film but what gets up my nose is that the american/earthlings messed things up and it just had to be an American who had defected to save the natives!!:blink: oh pleeeeze.

Anyway, what you reckon of Avatar = Pocahontas?

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/130283/original.jpg


BTW, I am an advocate of entanglement theory – totally believe it to be true – how could it not? Everything is connected – how could they not?:wink:

AND, what is wrong with an American switching sides and then jumping in and saving the day? This is what we do best LOL:whoo::roll:

[Gita]

Horizons, if Americans didn't mess it up to begin with then they wouldn't have to jump in and save any one!:heh:

[HORIZONS]

"Here he comes to save the day!!" is our theme song - a nation of superhero's.:laser: :rofl:

[Gita]

"Here he comes to save the day!!" is our theme song - a nation of superhero's.:laser: :rofl:

Does that mean you've got a cape in your wardrobe?:laugh: and do everyone wear their underpants over their tights?:eek: :pound:

[stardustaquarion]

I am convinced it is transhumanism. Robots don't care about polution....I am posting a music video about that in the infiltration thread as it is off topic here...This transhumanism gived me the crips I can feel it is already happening :eek:

[Fredkc]

Could have sworn I started something else entirely.

[Gita]

Yes you did Fred.:blink: Amazing how things can divert. Welcome to madness!:pound::blink::pound:

[Majorion]

Avatar was a good movie I felt, having seen it on blu ray the experience was great. Yes Stardust there were a few occult themes here and there - especially the cover with the eye; doesn't detract from the movie though, great story. I heard the Vatican were somewhat outraged as well.

[Celine]

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...

[Gita]

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...
...
:blink:

[Celine]

Freudian quote...

[Ross]

Im naive
I really enjoyed it just as a movie, well made.
Chris

Myself and my two daughters had a blast watching it...We got there early...back middle row...best seats in the house...my eyes handled the 3D and totally loved it. (we can all see all kinds of stuff in all movies) I, like Chris, enjoyed the experience.

Peace

[Gita]

Oh I see Celine. :thumb:

Ross, I also enjoyed the experience - mainly cos it was the first time my daughter had watched a 3D movie but got to tell you I also got the subliminal messages in there. The film 'They Live' comes to mind. Mixed feelings. I ended up buying the DVD for my daughter who has watched it million times but at her young age she has watched it as well as being aware of the subliminal tone. Mad how you can enjoy something whilst being aware of its 'intentions' at the same time!!

[Majorion]

Mad how you can enjoy something whilst being aware of its 'intentions' at the same time!!
Speaking sense :thumb:

[Etherios]

Myself and my two daughters had a blast watching it...We got there early...back middle row...best seats in the house...my eyes handled the 3D and totally loved it. (we can all see all kinds of stuff in all movies) I, like Chris, enjoyed the experience.

Peace

well noone said it wasnt a great movie awsome graphs ... BUT ;P I liked knowing alot also but MAN there were meanings there for example is it me or the aliens were the bible angels? The chosen only survived and last ... that NEW planet with the huge tree in the middle . I know pure coisidence and nothing to do with the movie its all in our mind.

BTW Unoptainium is just a wonderful name isnt it :P

[Gita]

Speaking sense :thumb:

Maj angel, the Empress always speaks sense - that's because she recognises non-sense when she sees it!! :laugh:

[Fredkc]

Ever have one of those days when the world convinces you that, for every tree you try to plant, 5 dogs have to come piss on it?

Evidently not my week for starting threads.

[truthseekerdan]

Ever have one of those days when the world convinces you that, for every tree you try to plant, 5 dogs have to come piss on it?

Hey Fred, that was funny! Change the dogs for a pride of lionesses...:laugh:

[Fredkc]

Actually Dan, thanks for the humor.

I tried to start a post on some serious scientific and sociological topics, and what I got for my trouble was a lot of paranoid psycho-babble.
So I'll leave it at that and simply post a closing sentiment...

http://fredsitelive.com/images/Avatars2/36_11_2.gif

[greybeard]

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...

Did you have to Celine?
Im still withdrawing 3 weeks without and I love Cigars.
Have you no heart Laughing.
I agree totally.
Love Chris

[Majorion]

I tried to start a post on some serious scientific and sociological topics, and what I got for my trouble was a lot of paranoid psycho-babble.
What were you expecting Fred, its a forum that revolves around conspiracies! :P

James Cameron admitted that his choice to use American characters as the 'invaders' was deliberate and meant to reflect the U.S occupation of Iraq, the resource 'unobtainium' is obviously the equivalent of oil.


Cameron said yesterday the theme was not the main point of Avatar, but added that Americans had a "moral responsibility" to understand the impact that their country's recent military campaigns had had.

"We went down a path that cost several hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives. I don't think the American people even know why it was done. So it's all about opening your eyes."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/arts/war-on-terror-backdrop-to-james-camerons-avatar/story-e6frg8pf-1225809286903

[Sarahmay]

I thought it was an entertaining film, but neither the spiritual opus that people claimed nor truly demonic either. Frankly, it was much too conventional to be either one of those things. It was definitely a reflection of current programming though...violence is bad, but oh if they are bad guys then you have no choice. Kill away!

[Celine]

Cameron? Luminati?

[Samarkis]

Hey all!!

I THINK that Fred had wanted to discuss how to get closer to the idea that we are all interconnected with each other RATHER than discuss the symbolism or not of the movie........(LOLOL Gita.........you are such a quiper......IMHO, many other movies can be related to each other as well,but hey,sometimes the same great idea comes out again & again......maybe the message needs to be heard again!!! LOLOL)

I would like to bring this thread back on topic of the idea of INTERCONNECTIVENESS.........between us,animals,environment,planet,solar sytem,cosmos..............we all should realize this is how Reiki and other healing work using energies is done.............It is also how telepathy works and telekinesis.............all the 6th senses use the energies that are of interconnectiveness............the more we tap into this zone, the more "miraculous" it feels.........however, it is only a higher level of technology that the ancients were aware of..........One thing that even today's conscious community needs to remember (Ian Lungold said it so well...........)The gateway to these energies is ethics...........

Not average ethics.....not just good ethics.........
It is actually very high ethics in that how much do you see the interconnectiveness of all things....does this knowing affect how you make a decision at every moment thru all your actions of each day????????Do you truly see the ripples of energy when you cause someone to smile???do you understand the ripples of energy how they flow out from that one person starting a day with a smile???and who else is affected by that person being cheerful????

I feel that perhaps feel your mind as water......do you create HAPPY ripples?? or crashing waves??? Pls think about this!!
Pls stay on topic of what Fred was wanting to discuss.........

In Light!!!!