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rgray222
6th August 2011, 16:55
2045: The Year Man Becomes Immortal.

The end of human civilization as we know it is about 35 years away.


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On Feb. 15, 1965, a diffident but self-possessed high school student named Raymond Kurzweil appeared as a guest on a game show called I've Got a Secret. He was introduced by the host, Steve Allen, then he played a short musical composition on a piano. The idea was that Kurzweil was hiding an unusual fact and the panelists — they included a comedian and a former Miss America — had to guess what it was.
On the show (see the clip on you tube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4Neivqp2K4)), the beauty queen did a good job of grilling Kurzweil, but the comedian got the win: the music was composed by a computer. Kurzweil got $200.


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Kurzweil then demonstrated the computer, which he built himself — a desk-size affair with loudly clacking relays, hooked up to a typewriter. The panelists were pretty blasé about it; they were more impressed by Kurzweil's age than by anything he'd actually done. They were ready to move on to Mrs. Chester Loney of Rough and Ready, Calif., whose secret was that she'd been President Lyndon Johnson's first-grade teacher.
But Kurzweil would spend much of the rest of his career working out what his demonstration meant. Creating a work of art is one of those activities we reserve for humans and humans only. It's an act of self-expression; you're not supposed to be able to do it if you don't have a self. To see creativity, the exclusive domain of humans, usurped by a computer built by a 17-year-old is to watch a line blur that cannot be unblurred, the line between organic intelligence and artificial intelligence.


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That was Kurzweil's real secret, and back in 1965 nobody guessed it. Maybe not even him, not yet. But now, 46 years later, Kurzweil believes that we're approaching a moment when computers will become intelligent, and not just intelligent but more intelligent than humans. When that happens, humanity — our bodies, our minds, our civilization — will be completely and irreversibly transformed. He believes that this moment is not only inevitable but imminent. According to his calculations, the end of human civilization as we know it is about 35 years away.

Computers are getting faster. Everybody knows that. Also, computers are getting faster faster — that is, the rate at which they're getting faster is increasing.
True? True.
So if computers are getting so much faster, so incredibly fast, there might conceivably come a moment when they are capable of something comparable to human intelligence. Artificial intelligence. All that horsepower could be put in the service of emulating whatever it is our brains are doing when they create consciousness — not just doing arithmetic very quickly or composing piano music but also driving cars, writing books, making ethical decisions, appreciating fancy paintings, making witty observations at cocktail parties


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If you can swallow that idea, and Kurzweil and a lot of other very smart people can, then all bets are off. From that point on, there's no reason to think computers would stop getting more powerful. They would keep on developing until they were far more intelligent than we are. Their rate of development would also continue to increase, because they would take over their own development from their slower-thinking human creators. Imagine a computer scientist that was itself a super-intelligent computer. It would work incredibly quickly. It could draw on huge amounts of data effortlessly. It wouldn't even take breaks to play Farmville.

Probably. It's impossible to predict the behavior of these smarter-than-human intelligence's with which (with whom?) we might one day share the planet, because if you could, you'd be as smart as they would be. But there are a lot of theories about it. Maybe we'll merge with them to become super-intelligent cyborgs, using computers to extend our intellectual abilities the same way that cars and planes extend our physical abilities. Maybe the artificial intelligence's will help us treat the effects of old age and prolong our life spans indefinitely. Maybe we'll scan our consciousnesses into computers and live inside them as software, forever, virtually. Maybe the computers will turn on humanity and annihilate us. The one thing all these theories have in common is the transformation of our species into something that is no longer recognizable as such to humanity circa 2011. This transformation has a name: the Singularity.

The difficult thing to keep sight of when you're talking about the Singularity is that even though it sounds like science fiction, it isn't, no more than a weather forecast is science fiction. It's not a fringe idea; it's a serious hypothesis about the future of life on Earth. There's an intellectual gag reflex that kicks in anytime you try to swallow an idea that involves super-intelligent immortal cyborgs, but suppress it if you can, because while the Singularity appears to be, on the face of it, preposterous, it's an idea that rewards sober, careful evaluation.

Source (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2048299,00.html#ixzz1U0qQYqf4)

Herbert
6th August 2011, 17:35
Question: what would be the purpose of a planet inhabited by immortal computers? Intelligence is not a soul trait since all souls have equal access to all knowledge. What the computers are doing is based on mathematics. It is an interesting post. Nature chose shortened lives and the gift of ignorance so that we could learn new wisdom faster. Basically I don't see why a soul singularity would want to incarnate into a computer.
If one were looking for ultimate efficiency, one would first want to know efficiency in ganing what?

ulli
6th August 2011, 18:20
Question: what would be the purpose of a planet inhabited by immortal computers? Intelligence is not a soul trait since all souls have equal access to all knowledge. What the computers are doing is based on mathematics. It is an interesting post. Nature chose shortened lives and the gift of ignorance so that we could learn new wisdom faster. Basically I don't see why a soul singularity would want to incarnate into a computer.
If one were looking for ultimate efficiency, one would first want to know efficiency in ganing what?

Same here, Herbert. And what would happen to our angel wings, would they become obsolete?

Kurzweil....last time I heard he was expecting this event sooner, so that he would still be alive when it happened.
I'm not sure he's going to make it, his time is running out...
So he needs a name change...
Kurzweil or, kurze Weile in German means "short while"...
If he changes it to Langweil...that means long while, but also "boredom".
Oh dear!

Please don't think I'm nuts...these things have a subconscious effect,
and then the irony of life kicks in and has the last laugh.

Tane Mahuta
7th August 2011, 03:00
We are already Immortal

"We are spiritual beings, & the spirit is eternal".


TM

NeverMind
7th August 2011, 10:07
It would not be overly exaggerated to call this sort of "immortality" by another name: the DEATH of man.

Luckily, I do not believe it will happen. :)


If one were looking for ultimate efficiency, one would first want to know efficiency in ganing what?

Exactly.

felixq78
7th August 2011, 10:49
Why would the Death of humanity be such a bad thing, we've blown it why flog a dead horse ?

greybeard
7th August 2011, 11:10
We are immortal now and always have been.
The body, that is a different story.
Who would want the same model ford for ever?
If you are coming back you get an upgrade,

Chris

NeverMind
7th August 2011, 11:43
If you are coming back you get an upgrade,


Yes, an upgrade - but of the same model, please!
I like my model; and by now, I've learned how to drive it. :)

KosmicKat
7th August 2011, 11:57
Question: what would be the purpose of a planet inhabited by immortal computers? Intelligence is not a soul trait since all souls have equal access to all knowledge. ...
Might this be where (at least some of them) the "Grays" originated?

N.B. these fellows aren't Grays, but they have been down the upgrade path.
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etheric underground
7th August 2011, 13:50
We, if you open your SELF to the immense possibilities
are only living out a third dimensional learning game
We are gods and godesses. we are the creators of this
world and many others. Artificial intelligence is exactly that,
ARTIFICIAL, we have also created these devices.
We are capable of as much as our creative imagination will allow.
Part of our journey will be non physical without moving laborious parts.
We will all at some stage evolve to unimaginable heights through experience
on a plethora of learning levels. Will computers be capable of Ethereal evolution??

RMorgan
7th August 2011, 15:21
We, if you open your SELF to the immense possibilities
are only living out a third dimensional learning game
We are gods and godesses. we are the creators of this
world and many others. Artificial intelligence is exactly that,
ARTIFICIAL, we have also created these devices.
We are capable of as much as our creative imagination will allow.
Part of our journey will be non physical without moving laborious parts.
We will all at some stage evolve to unimaginable heights through experience
on a plethora of learning levels. Will computers be capable of Ethereal evolution??

Yes. We´re not talking about regular computers here.

We´re talking about organic computers, computers with organic "brains", which might become a new life form indeed.

These computers will not think 0 and 1 anymore. They´ll no longer be binary.

Imagine if we could skip the evolutionary process and became the next species.

These computers will be able to that very quickly. They will work full time on their own evolution.

It´s impossible to imagine the consequences of that.

Samson
28th August 2011, 14:20
Quote; It's impossible to imagine the consequences of that.
If it would be impossible that implicates there is a reality beyond our wildest fantasies....
Thats a long way from home, or aint it just that... home.
What makes you think computers will work fulltime on their own evolution?... and not play farmville all day... beyond the binary limits i think computers will no longer work in a produtive/ destructive way... and just play.